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January 11, 2024 24 mins

Jana gets a lesson in changing her mindset from a fellow actor… the legendary Sonia Satra (One Life to Live, Guiding Light). 

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Wind Down with Janet Kramer and I'm Heeart Radio podcast.
This week's Thursday Therapy, We've got Sonya Satra. She is
an actress turn mindset guru. She's got a new book
out called what If It Were Easy? Using movement and
mindset to create success in life, love and business. Let's
get her on. Hey. Hey, I'm Jana Dana. Well, happy

New Year, Thanks for coming on wind Down. You had
a book that came out in October. It was called
what If It Were Easy? Using movement and mindset to
Create success in life, love and business. And I first
just want to go back because you're an actress. Yeah,
how long did you do soaps? For? Six seven years?

Six seven years? Yeah? And then was that world? Because
I've acted in the wild since I was like nineteen.
But it's one of those things where sometimes the mental
aspect of that world can really drive you nuts. I'm curious,
did that? Is that what drove me out? Are you out?
Or are you just kind of this is always like

your passion too, It is kind of what kind of
went okay, this is the route that you know, but
it feels most authentic or yes, definitely, And I think
the acting being is being in an industry where you're
rejected so much. Definitely, I got into mindset just to
sort of sustain that one thousand percent. I think that's

definitely the thing, the mindset piece of it, because when
I was talking to my fiance earlier, I'm like, I
don't know if you know, you never know if you're
going to book a movie this year or you're going
to book a role. It's like you just and then
you're like, well, what is my purpose? And then what
am I doing? And then and then how am I
making money? And then you just start to spiral, right,
And that's where the mind has to be more powerful
than the chaos you're creating around it. And so I'm curious,

how how do you do that to stay grounded? Because
I think that's my problems. I start to go with
one problem and then and by the end of that minute,
I've got thirty problems that are just blowing up around me.
I think that's when you have to really step backwards
and really step out and become much more objective and
look at it from a different perspective, because you're starting

to go out from you, we are going down the
rabbit hole at that point, and we're creating a whole
lot of scenarios that may or may not be real,
and each thought creates an anxious feeling or any other
number of probably negative feelings. And so I think it's
really more important to step back out and be like,

all right, what's the current perspective? Like, is what's real
and what's not? And what am I in control of?
And what am I not? And what can I be
in control of? What sure? Because I think when you
start to shift into and what do I really want
and sort of to revisit And that's actually a lot
of the process that ended up in the book, a

lot of that restart kind of thing of getting connected
to that vision and reconnecting to what it does the
you have. What is it that you can do sort
of burning those stuff that's stopping you and then taking action?
Right what action pieces are more helpful or most helpful

for you? I think it depends a little bit on
what it is that is the problem, because I think
sometimes you need to just like get out of your
own way. Maybe you need some kind of self care.
Maybe I need to go for a run, or I
need to get a massage, or I need to just stop,

And other times I think it's more of productive action.
You know, who do I need to reach out to?
Who do I know who might be able to help
me with a specific thing that I'm after, Or maybe
it's I need to go delve back into some sort
of a class that can make me at least feel
creative and I feel like I'm doing what it is
that I love or even what could I produce, you know,

whether it be a film or a movie I mean,
or some sort of I mean. Now you can do
so many more things because there's more accessible things for
YouTube and other mediums, or a play. I used to
produce plays or do plays whenever I was feeling like
I was going nowhere. FAST's that's an interesting piece to

the almost the play element of it, because I recently
went in I had a big audition and I was like,
you know what, I want to do my best at this, obviously,
and I want to put my best foot forward. So
I went to an acting coach in town and I
called my fiance afterwards. He's like, how to go? And

I was like, you know what, it went great? And
he's like, well, what was so different about it? I
go because I got to play, and normally we just
were up here and we just self tape from up here,
and I just I do what I normally do, and
that's it, send the tape in. And he was like,
why don't we do it this way and that way?
And I'm like, oh my gosh, this is so much fun.
I totally forgot yeah, like I forgot to have fun

with it and I forgot to play. It's just usually
all I got to get those work done. I had
to send this tape in and I got to do this,
and then it's just was that my best work? Probably not,
but I had to get it done before the baby
woke up or before I know, the kids got home
from school. So I just there was a piece of
that where I was like, I want to bring that
into this new year, is to go, Okay, yes, get
my work done, but also have fun with it and

play with it, and then I'll enjoy it a little
bit more instead of going, oh, I have to put
a stupid audition on tape or whatever. I think that
is so true and I think that the beginning of
the self tape, well, that was a huge transition for
me because there is something to having to be good
on the fly, you know, but that in person pressure

was a better I think for me anyway than it
was the self tape for exactly what you say, because
it starts to feel like I got to get this
thing done. I just have to like squeeze it in.
I've got to get it out. I got to fit
it into my daily schedule. And I think when it
became more of a thing where you were walking in
and you were going to have a conversation and you

might actually get some feedback or direction, which again makes
it feel a little more like play, I thought that
was more pressure but more fun. Yeah. No, I agree
with you also, like just on that one piece too.
I don't when it comes to the acting side of things,
I don't usually win because I'm the best actress in

the group. I win and because i'm you know, I'm
chatting with the producers and we're laughing and I'd be
fun to have on set and you know, so it's
like I always want in the room. I don't win
in self tapes because it's like you can't really get
that across. You know who you are and how you are.
So I'm like, oh, but it just in life in general,
I'm like, man, we dropped the fun piece in it.
We've just now kind of put our heads down. And

that's where I'm I'm trying to change my mindset having
it be a new Year, going okay, let's just have
more fun with it, and then I won't be like
dragging my feet and with it being the new year.
Where do you think people stop themselves from changing their mindset? Well,
I think that I think a lot of it is

in the belief. You know, you come out of the
gate strong, I'm going to go for it, I'm going
to do it. I'm gonna, you know, take over the world,
and then a week later you'll hit a hurdle and
then all of a sudden you revert back to old
patterns and old thinking. So I love New Year energy. Actually,
I am one of those people who still believe in

New Year's resolutions, and I do love that coming out
of the gate feeling. But I think it's really really
important to remember it's not just New Year's Day or
New Year's Week. It's like it's a year. So we're
gonna have hurdles, we're gonna have challenges, we're gonna fall,
and we got to get back up and and and

find ways to kind of reset and bring that sort
of new energy in every time. Right, What do you

think sets you apart and your book apart from all
the other you know, people out there doing the transformations
and the mindsets and the and the messages that you
know that we all need to hear. I think motor size,
which is what I came up with. So I wanted
to bring that up, but I didn't know how to
pronounce it. So I'm glad you did because I'm like,
I'm I'm a let her talk. Yeah, And it actually

is something that I did inadvertently back when I was
trying to, you know, get myself up off the ground
from some actings. You know, really bad imposter syndrome. It
was right after I came after Guiding Light, I left
the show on my own will. I could have stayed,
and many times I was like why did I do that?

But I left, and I suddenly have just the worst
imposter syndrome. It was like, why did you? Why did
you do that? You know, how could you leave such
a great job. There were six thousand actors that auditioned
for that. It was so random. You got it to
begin with, you know, like you'll like you say, you
know why you're not the best actor, You're never going
to work again, or you know any of those things.

It was so overwhelming and I really fell into it
pretty hard, to the point where a year and a
half later I hadn't worked. I really embodied those beliefs.
And I was turtle sitting some friends and I was
up on this book. I'm sorry turtle sitting like that's

you were actually turtle okay, because I was like, oh,
that must be a new phrase for like, you know,
in your shell and not getting out of that. Oh no,
it was really literal okay, literal copy that okay, yeah,
just for some extra cash. And as I was sort
of overlooking this the ocean, I was just thinking, wow,

you know, I used the same mindset schools to create
success as I was now using to create failure. Because
I would vision. Initially I was visualizing being on TV
and making it, and now I was visualizing not making it.
And before I would use questions like what can I do?
Who can I reach out to? And now it was

why won't I ever get a job? Why won't anyone
hire me? And uh? And even just the self talk,
you know was I'm never going to work again, versus, hey,
somebody's made it, why not me? And so even though
I was taking action, the action was so tainted by
that mindset, and and so I didn't work and so,

you know, my results were deaf a reflection of that mindset.
So in that moment I decided, I was like, I'm
better turn this around fast. And so I thought I
was gonna I was gonna run, I was gonna get
and get shape. I was gonna stop hanging out with
all my drinking buddies. You were also complaining about not
working again, and I was. I lived kind of close

to the Santa Monica Mountains, and so I would go
there and I would run up this trail and I
would do all the mindset. I would really visualize being
back on TV, you know, getting that job. I would,
you know, ask what kind of what could I do today?
What's one thing I could do to move forward today?
And I would do affirmations as I was going. And

I always joke because at the top of the mountain,
I realized that it was a canyon. And so whatever
I yelled out, would I go back? So I would
yell out, you got the job, and then i'd hear
it back you got the job, I'd celebrate, And three
weeks later I was running down that hill and I
got a call you the job. I actually boked a

national commercial, and three months later I got the call
for One Life to Live. So it was such a
sort of powerful affirmation of how much these mindset tools
can make a difference. And the movement, I think just
helped me get into my body in a different way.

So flash forward many years. I was also you know,
new mom, and I had my like twenty minute workout
kind of and I was just thinking, gosh, I'm not
doing that mindset work that I know is so effective.
Wouldn't it be great if I could be really efficient
and do it while I'm working out? And that was

really a day I was running on a treadmill and
I thought like, gosh, if I was just guided with questions,
that would be really helpful because then I could do
it at the same time. And well, that was the
day I was like, well, if I did it, you
know what if I created that? And that was the
beginning of motor size. So I started to try to

figure out, well, what are those questions, what is that process?
What would actually be helpful, how do I do this
and testing it and whatnot. And yeah, it kind of
came out of the gate as an aerobic program because
I also learned at that point that was when the
brain science was really busting open, and I started to

find out how powerful exercise really is for your brain
and the whole neurogenesis and the rewiring of your brain,
and how it changes your mood and how it makes
you more creative and more focused, and it actually taps
the motivation side of your brain. And so it has
so much power and it has such an impact on

your life that has nothing to do with just fitting
into whatever size gene. It's like it's it really is
a mindset thing. And so I was really just taking
what was already naturally happening with exercise and then adding
in very intentional questions towards a goal. So for me,

it was acting at the time. Well, actually then I
had shifted because I was starting to coach. But you
could use it for any goal. And I've had people
starting businesses, I've had them sell for a lot of money.
I've had people I had a client lose three hundred pounds.
I had somebody find a new relationship because they finally

had the courage to kind of put themselves out there.
And it's just amazing the ideas. I always ask people,
do you ever go for a walk and think of
an idea? And most people say, yeah, I do. Or
you know, when you get up from your desk and
go take a shower, that's when you're like, oh, now
I got it. And it's that movement. It's not a mistake,

it's actually what's happening chemically in your mind and the
near body. So motor size is basically motivation exercise. That's
what it stood for. That was what it was, motivational exercise.
People then started to be like, oh, are you going
to motivate me to exercise? And I'm like maybe. The

one sort of unexpected thing was that people who don't
liked exercise liked it because they weren't thinking about the exercise.
They were thinking about something else that they really wanted,
and so it shifted their focus and their energy. That
wasn't a goal, but hey, it was a great I

love that so much, you know, because I think it's
I love going for walks around my neighborhood or running
or I used not clear yet to run post baby,
but when I do, like, that's that's such a good
thing to then now bring into the workouts, is you know,
either saying things out loud like I'm going to get
this or I you know, I'm or I'll be okay,

or I'll be fine, or everything's gonna come in abundance
and all the things, and just saying that out loud.
I think that's a good, you know, tool and something
that we could all put into our daily lives to
be to be more positive too. And then that affects
you and then you're not just because all of last
year I was just like clinching like my you know,
my hands, I'm just so tight because I'm just so stressed,

and you know, I'm like for what you know, right,
everything was fine. Everything ended up being fine. And I
think that well and we know that also that's one
of the huge things from exercise whatever it is. You know,
originally I did I did aerobics, and I was matching
the mindset with the movement. So you know, like if
you were pulling something in, what can you pull in?
Or what are you dumping? And no, and so it

was very choreographed, if you will but now not everybody
loves aerobics, so I've also done it to a spin,
or to running or to walking, And it is because
you release the when you're moving, so you're not clinching,
and that in and of itself is part of what
makes you more creative. So you'll come up with great

ideas when you're moving, where when you're sitting there kind
of like caved in. It's just a blank for sure

in your book too, because I want everyone to go
get it. What is your favorite chapter in the what
If It Were Easy? Book? And which one challenged you
the most to write you loved and the one that
was the most challenging because maybe you struggle with it
or yeah, that's such a great question. I'm torn between

what I love because the question I do love, and
that does come from a very specific story. But I
do think there's another question that I love equally as much.
I think very underestimates and maybe I'll sneak into here
what if We were Easy? The title did come from
a real life situation with my husband, who is a

producer TV producer, and he had why isn't he putting
you in your show? Like in his shows? He does?
So many men focused shows. It's insane. He does, like,
come on all of these historical docu dramas, men who
built America, World Wars the West, like I have done.

I've done a bunch of little things. I have something
coming up now actually, but they're all pretty small because
they're very there's not a lot of them. You get it. Yeah,
all right, So sorry that the title came from your husband. Yeah, yeah,
so he he he was had a first look deal
where you basically get paid for ideas, and it was

time for his contract to be renewed and we lived
in New York at the time, just had a baby,
and we were going out to La so he could
sign this contract. And he goes and I'm sitting in
the car and he comes out and he's looking white.
As it goes, I'm like, what happened? And he's like,
I was fired exactly. Oh wow, that was unexpected. So yeah,

we were definitely in a bit of a hole literally
at that moment. And so he started to panic and
to like, what are we going to do? This is ridiculous.
You know, we have a new baby, we live in
New York, and on and on. It's worth I'm trying
to brainstorm and be positive and like there's lots of possibilities.
He's like, this business is impossible. I'm like, well, somebody's
made it, can't be impossible, and he's just he's like, oh,

but it is. And uh. He for some reason was
obsessed with making a million dollars and he just because
he thought that would somehow set us free. And he's like,
I don't know, nobody can make a million dollars in
this business. And I was like, well, somebody's made it,
so you can too, and he's like na, na na.
I'm like, well, what if it were easy? And he

fought back, It's not easy, you know, this business. And
then I asked again, you know, but what if it
were easy, what would you do? And just in that moment,
I think he was frustrated and realized I was going
to keep asking. You were going to stop until you
got the answer. I got it and he's like, I
don't know. If it were easy, I might start my

own company. And that had never been an idea that
we talked about ever. And I was like, really, well
what would that look like? And then we started to
talk about it. The next day, he called a friend
they started a company and one year later he made
a million dollars. Oh my god, I love that. That's
so great. Yes, not just the million, that's like, that's

that's just the okay cool. But what he did and
how he you know, something that he didn't even think
he could do or never even said out loud, became
something exactly what he wanted to do. That's amazing. I
love that, and I think and that's the point of
the question. You know, it's not this Pollyanna whatever it
were easy, because no, I mean, you know, lots of

things are going to be challenging along the way, but
that what if it were easy? What would you do?
Really opens your heart to what's possible? What would you
want to do? What's deep inside? Because I really do
believe we all have the answers, but we overthink and
we get in our own way. And so when you
sort of connect into that heart space and make it easy,

then what would you do? And that's usually the thing
you should go do. I love that. I do love that.
What was the hardest one for you to write? Because
maybe you struggle with it? Probably the decisive me you
can't even decide which one to tell you. So the
first half of the book is really the process. It

goes through the seven steps of the motor sized mindset
reset process. The second half of the book, I like
to think of it as as you need basis, and
it's all the kind of extra superpowers that you would
need or want at any given time to fulfill a goal.
So sometimes it's creative, sometimes it's fun, sometimes it's patient,

sometimes it's decisive. And so there's there's twelve of them,
and so guides you through a whole lot of tips.
That's the movement aspect with that as well, and I
think the decisive one that's definitely when I still struggle with,
so I have to review that. I mean, I think
it's a woman thing, you know, probably know what we want,

but then we're also you know, decive, incisive too. So
for sure my mom was like brilliant at coming up
with like a million solutions and then we finally decided
to come up with a million more. So I think
I've definitely imparted that trade. I love that. Where can
our listeners find you too if you want it? Because
because you're coaching, right, So I do, yes, OK, So

I do one on one on one regular straight coaching,
and then I often I also do motor size, and
I often integrate the two. But if someone really doesn't
want to do the movement, I can still coach you,
and so you can come to Sonia Satra s O
n I A s A t r A dot com.

And I'm on all the social media Instagram, Facebook, Twitter
or x or whatever. Yeah, I know, I still want
to call it Twitter because it's yeah Twitter, It's fine. Well,
thank you so much for coming on. Everyone, go get
her amazing book, What If it were easy using movement
and mindset to create success in life, love and business.

And thank you so much for coming on. Appreciate it. Yeah,
thanks so much. Hi bye girl,
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