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December 14, 2023 33 mins

Do you think you can beat a “human lie detector”?? Jana and her Queendom are talking to Annie Sarnblad who is an expert at finding clues that someone is lying.

She explains her process and reminds us that sometimes you can tell that someone is being dishonest, but you don’t know why….

Plus, we play a game of “Two Truths and a Lie” and a MAJOR secret gets revealed!

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Speaker 1 (00:01):
Wind Down with Janet Kramer and I'm Heeart Radio podcast.
All right, so this week's Thursday Therapy, We've got Annie
sarnblad On. She is a human light detector, so she
is an expert in reading facial expressions as well as
a Steem strategic advisor. Who I'm so excited, I am
so nervous. Do you believe in light detectors? Yep? Do

you Nope? Actually, can I change my answer because I
think I remember a story? No, no, no, listen, I've known.
Why are you pointing at me? I've known two people
that passed the lie detector test personally, know them that
both lied. So I just don't know if I try personal,

pretty personal, but I will say this, Kat is the
most buttoned up, non commenting person today. It's cracking me up.
But we had just a view of just her face
with this entire time. Let me just say this, as
Catherine's got my gruntee little son over there, I think

I would trust the facial expressions over the other ones.
So that's why I'm really interested to talk to her.
Good point because it's actually easy to how do I
say this? You can pass a lie detected chest by
the breathing, so if they ask you, it's taken your breath.
So it's like if you go if you know, yeah,

like is your name Kristen, Yes, if you're to ask it,
so you have to control your breathing for all the answers.
Little Jana Panther one people to pass a detector does
and this is why they're not admissible in court. But
I think with facials, I again I would want to know.

That's why I'm so excited talk to her because I'm like,
I would believe that over anything else, because there there's
got to be a look or something. There is something
like a look to the left or something. Well, let's
get her on. And you're the actress, so this is
going to be a real test, a testimony to your craft.
And we got to truth and a lie and we're
going to see if she can decode it. And one

of mine is a speculation that you guys might not know, okay,
what there might be something you don't know? Cat cat
considering it. I find out today. So we'll see Annie
Annie hie. Nice to see you all. Nice to see.

What is your last name? I know your last name,
but what is the origin it's in English. Okay, I
totally did say that wrong. Then yeah, sartn blood okay,
and then what is it? What is that if you
want to say in Swedish? It's Swedish? Okay, all right,
I love that. Are you? Did you grow up there

or did you grow up here? It's my ex husband's name,
but my maiden name is actually Norwegian Solberg. Okay, it's
so bye. So everybody. When I moved to Sweden as
a sixteen year old exchange student, that was my version
of running away from home. Everybody thought I was Swedish.
Sod help learn the language quickly because people would just

talk to me in Swedish and they see your ex
husband because you saw a facial expression that you didn't like. No, No, Unfortunately,
I just made bad choices. Wow, we've all been there.
He's a nice person. It wasn't a good fit and
I had a lot of traum in my childhood, so
I chose something that felt very safe and predictable. And

then I don't know if anybody has wrapped up my
life in a sentence quite as fast as you just did.
But so jinks, Annie, Yeah, buy me a coke, that's right.
But I will say this, So I love that you
went straight too. He's a good person. You had your stuff, Like,
I love that aspect of it. You're not trying to
be Yeah, he's because I've had I've dated other people
that aren't good people. But difference also jinks. Okay, Annie,

do you just want to come sit down with us
because I feel I really would like to, Like, I
feel like I just snuggle right there in the middle
of the sofa. Who is this right now? He's three
and a half weeks old? So this is my son
Jack Geez. I always collim Jason Roman. I either call
him the dog or welcome to having three children, whichever

kids you were Roman. Yep, I've got three too, and
I had I had mine in just over three and
a half years, so I still get them confused. So
that's a thing. That's the thing all day every day. Wow. Yeah,
I mean I do it probably every day because I
started to think, I'm like, maybe I should change his
name because I can't I keep them. It's just fine,

You're just in like it's I mean, hormones and all
the things. Sure that was weird? Is I have all l's.
I have three kids, they're all l's. And I don't
confuse them, but I confuse the boy like my husband
and my son's name. I was just about to say
that I do that Nick and Caiden are the same person. Yeah,
well sometimes I get him mixed up with the dog too,

Like that's not popular. Sometimes the behaviors are somewhat similar,
and it's warranted if I'm honest. Between the eighty five
year old. Yeah, okay, So I have a question. We
started briefly to chatted about this. Do you believe it
that lie detectors, the ones that go on your chest,
are those one hundred percent accurate? I actually have no idea.

It's a great question, but those are dealing with like
heart rate and gosha. I don't even really know how
to answer that. It's not something that's particularly interesting to
me because the machinery detects changes and breathing and heart
rate and all these like physiological reactions, and so a

really good spy can create an alternative reality, just like
I mean, you know about this. You're an actress, so
like when you're in that scene, you're living it, right
if you're doing it, well, you're there emotionally, yeah, and
you're in it, and so really good spy creates two
parallel lines of thought, and it can put themselves into

like the emotional the like fantasy life, so like did
you did you murder her? And like in Vegas and
the like. If you can convince yourself that I was
on a beach in Akapolco, then you were on a
beach in a c Polco and you could in theory
trump the machine, right because yeah, okay, that makes yes.
That expressions that actually precede the thought process. So yeah,

what's that, Like, what's the first micro expression that you
would go That person is lying? So I'm looking for
the disconnect. So the facial expression and the words don't match.
So somebody, I mean, it's as simple as somebody saying
I did not do that while they're nodding like that's
our body leaking and that's the knot isn't really a
micro expression, and that's and the knot is also not universal.

It depends. That's Western society. But if I say, I'm
so happy to be on your podcast and I'm showing
the growl, I'm showing the no face, that the facial
expression of disgust, there's something off there. I'm not actually
feeling what I'm saying that I'm feeling. Okay, I am

so nervous right now and I think it I am
the world's worst liar. Like I have sweaty hands. I
feel like I am being busted right now and there's
literally nothing. I've done nothing. But do you know what's
so funny? Is I really wish she would say? And
that's usually the people that lie once say that like
I would never do that. I would. I'm just no, Like,

I'm just right. I'm a chronic overs like I'm a
chronic oversharer, so like I won't I can't even tell
you that I had something that I didn't have for lunch.
No manny talk to us about that. Everybody wants to
say to me. They're like, oh, you must be awesome
and poker, and I'm like no. The reason that I'm
obsessed with this has to do with childhood that had

a fair amount of trauma in it, and the people
that would that we're supposed to be trustworthy, that lied
to me all the time, and my obsession with figuring
out who I could rely on and who was who
was safe and who was trustworthy. And so I'm a
terrible liar. I really don't like lying, and I don't
like it when people lie to me. I mean, the

obsession comes from a need to figure out who is
it's less. My best friend always says, you're not a
lie detector, You're a truth detector. Like you don't really
care who lies to you. You want to figure out
who tells you the truth. So has this been since
childhood that you've had this passion and then does it
go into like learning the traits professionally all of the thing. Yeah,

So that the childhood piece is my why, you know,
why I got into it and why it was such
an obsession with me. And then the fact that I
was gaslightd so much about what I saw and what
I lived through, you know, that didn't happen a week
later that was no longer true, and I was told

to you know, family loyalty was very, very you know,
it was a big focus, and so I really ran
away and got away as early as I could. I
was fourteen years old when I started planning. You know,
I figured out that you could be an exchange student,
that you could basically go and live with another family,
and so that became my obsession, and I how I

got out and I was gone. I mean, it came
back for vacations and that kind of thing, but I
was It was almost twenty five years that I was
outside of the US, and I've lived in nine different countries.
So I spent much of my time learning languages. I
have a master's in anthropology, and I spent like this focus.
I was obsessed with learning languages through immersion. So and

I wasn't that great learning languages. So I literally have
spent years in my life not understanding what people are saying.
And then I got certified in what's called facial action
coding and learned to numerically code the different muscle combinations
in human expression. But I'm not that good at that

advanced mathematical coding, so I simplified the entire field to
be able to teach my kids. Well, it's so interesting.
So I grew up in a similar situation and was
basically taught to lie my whole childhood and then to
lie like told to lie, tell your grandparents this, tell
so and so this, so. Then I would have a

natural as I got older, in natural inkland the smallest
thing to just lie. And then I got to a
point where I'm like, hated that is not cat by
the way, but I hated lying. So it's still a
very I get very hurt, very easily if I know
someone's lying, and it is a huge I take it

so personal too. And I'm going through a phase of
my son right now. He's five, and he is the
sweetest liar, and it's like a I can tell, like
I don't want to be mean about it, but I
can feel it hit somewhere in my body where I'm like,
you could be a million things in life, but don't

ever be a liar to me. Well, I mean, we
carry our own troublem And isn't that so interesting with
children that they hold this mirror up to us where
we not only have to figure out what we want
to do differently. I mean, you know, even when you
grow up in an ideal situation at home, you want
to figure out, like what what do I want to

do differently and what do I want to do the
same as my parents, and they really reflect back. But
for me, one of the hardest things is figuring out
how to kind of meet it in the middle and
not just respond from my trauma all the time, but
grow through it and heal and say that like, Okay,
a five year old lie is pretty normal and you

can write and you don't want to shame them, but
you also want to talk about how that makes you
feel without bringing all the druma. I mean I remember
my oldest looking at me at one point and saying,
not everything has to be a life lessen mom. That's
kind of how I feel though, Like I feel like
I'm I feel like I'm doing that. Like I'm like,
if it starts now, then he's gonna spiral and he's

gonna you know, and I'm like, really, he's just five
and he's just got a big imagination. Yeah, but you
should still tell him what you're feeling and you know,
but in age appropriate words. But or maybe we just
FaceTime miss Annie and she can tell me what's really like. Now.
Have you dealt with that too, with the kid aspect, Yeah,
I mean five is a very normal age for them
to start doing that. We just have, like I have

to find ways with my older kids to be like,
as long as you tell me the truth, as long
as you're honest with me, we can deal with anything.
Like what we have. We just very much deal with that.
But like I haven't have a hard time in my
marriage because I'm like, you lied, and he'll be like
I said, it was blue, not green. I mean, it'll
be the smallest thing, and he's like, you've got to
let that go, like and it can get hard. So

I'm trying to be better about it because it's not
It's also not that black and white to me. It's
like a Lia's Eliza, lie, you omitted this and you
lied to me, you know, And so I have to
I have to bring myself back from that. And I
as childhood trauma on the couch and not great in

these days. It's really everybody that has childhood trauma exactly.
I think it's just because we're all talking about it finally,
But I also don't think I would want to be
able to do what she can do. Is there error

in what you do as well? Like when you so
for example, like my fiance is the most loving, i
mean sweet human being, but he's he's more he's he's Scottish,
he's a little bit more harsher on his expressions. He's
more like, I know he loves me. But I think
when maybe some people that might see something and be like,

oh well, he's not doesn't look very happy or something,
and I'm like, he's right. So that that piece, I'm like, well,
you don't also know you know X, Y and Z.
So I'm just curious. Is there a piece of it
where it's like it's not all about just the facial
I guess, okay, So how can I have a dirty mouth?

Like how sure? Yeah, okay. So I can always tell
the emotion. I can tell what somebody is feeling clear
as day. I cannot tell what they are thinking. I
can't tell the why. But the micro expressions when you
get to the level that I'm at, and my kids
have been trained by me, so we never missed the

micro expression and that's the nod the right. So so
like this is the full facial expression of disgust. So
that yeah, she's kind of like clenching her teeth a
little bit. We're actually trained out of it as as
grown ups, and the micro expression that leaks that, you know,
we're trained out of these micro expressions by or the

macro expressions, the long, big facial expressions out from our
parents because it's not socially acceptable to be like, oh,
you want me to go over to your house? Oh, right.
We you know we can't, we can't go through life
in a socially acceptable way. But the micro expressions precede
the thought process and they leak all day long. So
it's like, oh, you want me to do this deal

with you. That twitch is always there, so I can
see the exact moment and the exact feelings, sometimes even
before the person feeling it has time to process their emotions. However,
I don't know why, Like if I ask you to
meet me for lunch next week and you showed disgust,
which I call the no face, that little twitch. I

don't know if it's because you're busy. I don't know
if it's because you don't like me. I don't know
if it's because you have, like, you know, some visitor,
or because you really you wanted to read my book
before you continued working with me, and you hadn't had
a chance. I mean, there's all these scenarios. So I
when I speak frankly, I say, it's as universal as

a man with an erection. If you set a naked
man with an erection, he is aroused. I don't know
if he's thinking about me, but I know that's a
different podcast altogether. Right, that's a different podcast. But if
he's standing there going like I'm not aroused, you're going, well,
yes you are, because there's a change in blood flow
and muscle movement in response to that arousal. Will my

bowtox throw you off? On my and the level that
I work with, because it's almost, like I explain it,
like if you do a five hundred puzzle piece puzzle
and it's sailboats, and then you take out a bunch
of the puzzle pieces, I can still see it's just
it's still boats. So that's sort of a simplified way
of saying with every expression, there's a top piece and

a bottom piece. And so, for example, a genuine smile,
what happens has nothing to do with the mouth. If
we're genuinely feeling joy, our cheeks pop up and that
makes this skin right here under our eyes bold it out,
and we get these little smile bags. So if I'm
if I'm masked, you can still see that regardless if

you see my mouth or not. I am so fascinated
by you. So could we do Can we do a
little game before we talk about your book? Sure? Okay?
Can we do two truths and can we do two
truths and a lie? Sure, it might go first. It
might be this is a little tricky because people get
so joyful about lying and situations. I am not. You're

not joyful, and I want you to go first, so shame.
But you're gonna show like a little bit of delight.
So okay, we go, let's try it. Okay, don't you
go first? No, you go first? No, Catherine got and
I vote? Thank you? Okay, okay, okay, okay, let me

get my questions. Okay, So two truths and a lie? Ready,
and I would have another kid I got wrongfully sued
last year. Alan and I are already married, so that
was dead panned. But you showed, you showed mirth that
thought we're already married. What does mirth mean? It just
means like tricky business. That should actually be the name

of this podcast, dream business. So I don't know because
you said it's so fast, and then you were like, hey,
if you're already married, I'm gonna lose my mind. I mean,
I do have an extra band on my hand that
no one's asked about. Can you say I don't know
which one? Sure, I'll say him again. I would have

another kid, I got wrongfully sued last year. Alan and
I are already married an actress. So the wrongfully sued
last year, you showed a little disgust. So I'm guessing
that you were wrongfully sued. Catherine, Well, I know you
were wrongfully so say true true, Yeah the other two

I'm questioning myself over here when I'm worried about the
answer on both. It's fun, like it is a fun game.
The really interesting thing for me is that when people
are in a high stake situation, because they'll often show shame.
And so what I look for in somebody exhibiting shines

of being a sociopath, for example, is whether or not
they show shame when they're lying, and whether or not
they show empathy when someone else gets hurt. We should
pucker our chin. That's a crucial piece of empathy. So
if you're telling you about something that's really hard, like
if you go into detail about being wrongfully sued, I'm

gonna pucker my chin because that's not fair. I'm feeling
your pain with you. So if somebody doesn't ever show that,
and you're supposed to be emotionally attached, so like if
you're dating somebody and you're trying to figure out, Okay,
I know this guy's attracted to me, but does he
actually care about my feelings? You know, whenever you talk
about something that's emotionally, physically, or financially difficult for you,

he should be puckering and mirroring that chin. That's basically
saying I'm feeling this feeling with you. And like, if
you were to ask a partner are you cheating on me?
What would be their face of lie? I mean, this
is why we're best friend. But so I do get
this question sometimes. Yeah, this is so if he says no,

one nods. That's a problem anytime somebody says again, we're
talking about the US, Canada, Mexico, Western Europe. Like if
you get over to Sri Lanka and India, there's different
head movements. So that is a cultural thing. But in
our culture. I grew up in the US too, this
means yes and this means no. So he's like, we
say that again. This so shaking your head means shaking

your head. No means so I've never done that, and
absolutely I'll be there for you. That matches, right, But
if you're saying I'm never I would never cheat on you.
That's a problem. Yeah, that made me feel weird when
you did that. Actually it feels itchy, right. You always
trust your gut, even if you can't dissect it or
you don't know the science behind it. There's a reason

that our gut is telling us. And so what I'm
trying to do is help women put the words, put
the science on why their gut is telling them certain things.
So then what else with the head nod with the
the cheating question. So my son came to me and
said to me, he's eighteen and he was a few
months ago and he said maybe. It was last year
he said, I want to go out on Saturday night?

Can I go out to this party? And I was
like maybe? And he goes, thanks, because all my kids
are trained, and I go I said maybe, and he
goes yeah. But when you say maybe, and you know
that's always you're always end up saying yes because you're
thinking yes. And when you say maybe and you shake
your head, that means you're not You're gonna say no.
You always say no when you shake your head. So
have you outsmarted yourself raising these little idea? I know

I'm kind of feeling it for you. I'm glad there's
more of you in the world. But then I'm also like, oh,
kind of sucks to be the mom k of when
your kids can see you're attracted to somebody because your
pupils dilate. That sucks. You're like, oh, you think he's hot.
I'm like, oh, no, awkward when it's like mister Smith
and math teacher. Yeah, so wait, have we figured out

you're lying yet? It's very important I give one truth
in one lie. No, I want to know. I want
to know. I'm sorry. No, I'm not doing that well.
I just was thinking. I get a lot of comments
on this podcast. They'll post a little bit of the
of like the video of this podcast sometimes in to

tease the episode, and people write to me all the
time they're like, we wish we had a full video
of your expressions because I feel like I'm not good
at hiding it. And then I feel like, sometimes I
look at me, it looks like I'm not having any fun,
but I'm so always my face always looks like I'm mad.
But okay, so that is that like when we furrow

our brow. So even if you've got botox and you
think that that actually impedes these muscles from ferr and
these are thinking muscles, are concentrating muscles, and we like
tend to bring this all down. And it's almost like
kick starts the process of thinking of like problem solving,
and there's a piece of problem solving both in problem
solving and in anger. But people mistakenly think this sort

of stern look is necessary necessarily anger, and it's only
anger if the mouth is tight. And that's what I
feel like I am on here. It's usually when I'm
listening and I really thinking about what you're saying. I
look miserable, but I'm truly thinking, Yeah, like I look
like I have reasting beef. And Janna's like, why are
you looking at me like that? Are we good? Okay?

It doesn't look friendly because our brains processed as part
of anger. And that's correct, and it's the part of anger.
But anger is always going to have like whether the
mouth is shut or open, it's always it clenches everything,
That's what it's like. It clenches our shoulders or clenches
our fists so that we are preparing to fight. I

think there's a good piece of what you just said
too about it's yes, the expression like if you were
to ask someone okay, have you cheated or or did
you cheat on me? Your your your gut is also
asking that question too, right, So I think there's such
a good piece with it. Yeah, exactly, like even having
that conversation, even asking that's a huge, like you said,

huge problem. So yeah, I think that's the first thing
and going okay, if you're asking that, right, you're is
telling you something that's probably not good, probably not a
good sign. If you have to ask, I would totally
I would totally agree. And so I'm always looking at
whether or not the facial expressions match the words. So
somebody who says I'm really happy for you, that's a

problem showing disgusting, that's a problem. You know I got that,
I got that great promotion, or I just had a baby.
You know, people should be like, you know, yay, congratulations.
They should be lifting up their cheeks. That's joy. Their
body language and everything should be aligned. If something feels off,
it's because it's your primitive brain processing that something's wrong.

Those are your survival skills kicking in. We have a
girl's night coming up, and it's gonna be funny that
there's three of us pseudo trained. But also you're a
great actress, as we saw in at my fortieth birthday party.
So when I'm being funny, not when I'm being serious,
one truth, one lie, one truth, one lie. Yep, I

probably have the most botox of anyone on this couch.
So this is the ultimate test. Annie. Okay, I've ridden
a camel. Yeah, I've been strapped to a semi going
fifty five miles an hour. I kind of got to
say the truth is the fifty five miles an hour.
I'm like, oh my god, that's because that's so crazy.
I cannot tell. I literally can't tell. Is this when

I give a shout out to my injector or because
or is it that I've put myself in two places
in my brain? I don't know. I mean, i'd like,
I literally just I can't tell. I've never ridden a camel.
I was saying, you're strapped to a on the show, right, Yeah, yeah, yeah.
My husband had to help me with this, which makes
me a little nervous actually, because I'm I've always sucked

notoriously at two truths and a why even in school
and everything, Because I just I don't know why there's
something like weird in my brain that happens that anyways,
it's a weird game. And what I usually get people
will do this to me at cocktail parties are at
it and they'll be like, Okay, I'm gonna like it.
I'm they show to light, which is what we call
that facial expression of like of trickery, like I'm going

to get you on. But now it's a game, and
that's what's usually off. What was kind of interesting and
you say both of those things is you just kind
of deadpanned the straight up, like like just send them
boats straight out without much emotion. But that when you
said I've never ridden a camel, you tucked your you

touched one corner of your lips into the into the cheek,
and that's what we call a knowing smile. So that's like,
I know, I know about this. Okay. So you have
a book out that's called Diary of a Human Light
Detector Facial Expressions and Love, Lust and Lies. What is
the biggest takeaway that you that will help people that

read this book? And then what your biggest like, what
was your favorite chapter in it? So we can promote
the book. So the biggest takeaway is that these are
things that we kind of sort of already know. The
pieces that I'm teaching for a lot of us women.

When I hit my audience right, people are reading the
pieces about my life and then I'm dissecting them and
teaching the facial expressions using my life's stories. And when
I'm hitting my audience right, they're they're looking at these
they're reading this, They're going, yes, that's true, and I
know this facial expression and I know Barack Obama always

makes the facial expression of suppression. I would love to
see you in politics, right, Yeah, there's that would be
a whole other podcast. But there's certain peace to thy coming, right.
That's the people that certain people make and when we
when I break it down and I show it, or
that Mona Lisa smile of kind of like yeah, that

half one lopside and smile like I know about that,
that sort of secret I know something you don't know.
Or the dilation of the pupil, which which is so
useful in love and dating to see if somebody's really
feeling aroused in the moment. They're people's swell during the
conversation and you're like, oh, my god, I have this
person in the palm of my hands. They're really interested,
they want me right now. Those pieces are so juicy

and so interesting, and I think for a lot of women,
I'm putting words on things that they intuitively have always
known because I'm describing the universal language of our species,
which is biologically hardwired into us. And I think they're men.
I mean, I have male friends that I work with
that I really enjoy intellectually, and they've said I can't

get through ten pages, like there's too many feelings. Yeah, Oh,
I'm so excited. I'm really excited. I'm just going to
leave it on the nightstand. I think it speaks for itself.
I like peaks about love and lust. That's my favorite.
Those pieces. I think I will endlessly be interested in
knowing if someone that I have strong feelings for me

is one attracted to me too emotionally attached to me?
Does he want me? And does he love me? I
think are such universal questions. Yes, and that's an ad
to cart for everyone. So thank you any so much
for coming on the show. Would love to have you
back on. You're so sweet. Thank you nice Kat. We

didn't get to you, but we're also your truth and
I just don't know. We have to lie. I need
to know if you're having another baby or you're married.
This is so important. I can guess what you say,
what you think the lie? Yeah, what do you think?
You and I are both walking out? True? I know,

but also are you really thinking about having another baby?
I mean, I think they're both lies. I'm hoping, but
one I'm not hoping. I'm babies. Right, We're down to
the final truth. Done, dun dun well. The truth is
I would have another kid. Okay, I'm not going to,

but you would, but I would, okay, And this is
just the present with the three birthstones. And I know
I was like, I don't remember your pupils when you
told me about the band. When I asked, oh my gosh, okay,
so mine mine are stupid? Okay, I be ready ye true,
we're gonna do. I'm gonna okay, we're going to beat
the LA texture test. I pete on myself in Walmart,

ready on myself and can't take this rid. I might
just on thee. I pee on myself in the car
writer line, who knew you were the number one girl? Okay?

So we put on myself. This is why I said, no,
you pooped on your self Ware at work. I'm gonna
go with I'm gonna say to embarrassing. I'm gonna say that.
I'm gonna say the lie is that she peed on

herself in Walmart. I don't think you want you go
to Walmart, but I do think you poop your pants.
I think we've all shard before. Oh okay, I didn't
see you before. I don't even know where. Any Way,
I love Walmart. I want to put that out there.
I just thought that would be a fun. I just

never heard you go to Walmart, so that's where. Okay,
that's my that's sting the lies. Okay, you peed in
Walmart yourself and Walmart you peed yourself Ware, car rider
Line pooped yourself at work? I say the car rider
Line definitely did not pee myself at Walmart. Good job.
You know a pop story though, anyway, so sure do

as everybody. I think it's kind of fun and we're rapping.
Bye guys, Bye bye
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