July 20, 2023 • 21 mins
Jana talks to Dr. Gladys McGarey, who is 102 years old and ready to share all of her wisdom!
She tells Jana about “The 5 Ls” and why each one is important for a happy life.
And, Dr. McGarey has some incredible advice to improve your self-image TODAY!
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Speaker 1 (00:01):
Wind Down with Janet Kramer and I'm Heart Radio podcast.
This week's Whine About It Thursday Therapy. We've got doctor
Gladys McGary. So she's one hundred and two years old
and she has a book out called The Well Lived Life,
A one hundred two year old Doctor's Six Secrets to
Health and Happiness at Every Age. It's available now, Let's
get her on.
Speaker 2 (00:23):
Hello.
Speaker 1 (00:24):
Hi, you can hear me, I can hear you, and
I can see how beautiful you are.
Speaker 2 (00:29):
Oh Hi, nice, you're pretty too.
Speaker 1 (00:33):
Oh thank you. I'm feeling, you know, like a million
bucks today. I'm pregnant and I'm just like everything kind
of hurts today, but I feel like I can't complain.
I'm really excited to talk to you, though, because I
just when I was reading The Rundown, it says it
(00:53):
says her book The Well Lived Life one hundred and
two year old Doctor Six Secrets to Health and Happiness
at Every Age. It's available now, and I was just was,
you know, reading the Rundown everything that you've done, and
I'm just it's just I think it's just so beautiful
and the fact that you are still you know, you're
you're writing books and just still living such a full
(01:16):
life is such a beautiful thing. And I'm curious do
you ever get how do I say this when people
are like, oh, you look amazing, because it's like, yes,
you're one hundred and you're one hundred and two. No
do you get like, of course, I look, I've taken
(01:37):
great care of myself or do you kind of get
like why are you at? Like you know, because people
always like you're forty years old and I'm like, well,
am I supposed to look older than forty?
Speaker 2 (01:46):
You know? Yeah?
Speaker 1 (01:47):
So it's like it makes you feel old when people
A'm like, oh my god, you're forty and I'm like, well, yeah,
they're like I thought you were you know, late or thirties,
and I'm like, no, I'm almost forty. But okay, but
do you how is that for you? Are you like,
do you like that when people say that?
Speaker 3 (02:05):
Or yeah, people say it all the time. It didn't
make much sense to me. You look like what you
look like? You know, what are you going to do
about it? And you can get a facelift, but that
doesn't help.
Speaker 2 (02:18):
Any temporary right well.
Speaker 3 (02:22):
It just it doesn't say anything about who you are.
I have a friend who is a speaker. She speaks
all around every place. And she told me one time
that she was in a a doing a talk in Hollywood,
and when she had people ask questions, she didn't know
(02:46):
who was asking the question, even if she could see
their faces, because they all looked alike. They'd had so
much in the way of facial surgery and so on
to look like what they should look like. And you know,
instead of claiming what it is that you actually look
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like when you're this age, I mean, what are you
going to do about it? When I was seventy having
my seventieth birthday, by grandson was on the seat beside
me and he says, how old are you, nanny? And
I said, I'm seventy and he says, how old is
that old? And I said, oh, I don't know, it's
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it's older. And he started pushing my face and he says, well,
what about these ruggles? And I said, don't worry about them.
They don't worry young. They don't hurt on the inside.
They look funny on the outside, but they don't hurt
on the inside. They're all right. I mean, it's that
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kind of accepting who and what you are and making
it do. I mean, we're not going to do a bit.
Speaker 2 (04:03):
Right.
Speaker 1 (04:03):
I mean, yeah, I mean that's a that's a good
perspective on that too. And you know, is there something
I mean, people obviously are probably like, you know, what's
your secret?
Speaker 2 (04:13):
What you know?
Speaker 1 (04:14):
And is that why you're like, Okay, I'm writing this
book because here are my secrets?
Speaker 2 (04:18):
Yes, you know, here am I secret? Here?
Speaker 3 (04:21):
I'm trying to tell you when I've written the book,
is that this is I don't consider it good or
bad that a person wants to look different from the
way they are. I mean, that's all right, that's your choice,
but for me that unnecessary. You know, it's just a
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waste of time to try and pretend that you look
different from what you feel like you look like.
Speaker 1 (04:53):
For sure. And I think it's hard too because in
this era of social media, you you know, having the
ability to change how your face looks with the tap
of a little filter switch has been I think the
most dangerous thing because you know, I've spoken on this
like I've stopped using the certain filter that I used
(05:14):
to use because I'm like, that's actually not what my
nose looks like or what my face looks like. So
I need to stop that because it's mentally not great.
Nor would I want my daughter to swipe on something
that isn't what she looks like, because she's beautiful in
my eyes, and I wouldn't want that or to promote that. Now. Sometimes,
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you know, it's nice to be able to go, Okay,
here's a little I don't know if you're on Instagram,
but like this softens it a little bit and makes
it look a little better. But so I for you,
do you think it was maybe easier without the social
media aspect growing up or having that comparison of things,
or was that comparison of other people there just not
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on the public platform.
Speaker 2 (05:59):
I think it's what every person wants to do with that.
Speaker 3 (06:03):
I mean, I'll never look like Marilyn Mineral, I'll never
look like Elizabeth Taylor. I don't need to look like them.
I look like me, and they don't need to look
like me. And so I'm me and you're you, and
it's wonderful. And life goes on and you're going to
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continue to age properly adequately, and that's that's just fine,
you know. And you know, in the process of aging,
my eyes have you know, they well, I can't see
well enough to read, so I'm listening to audio books
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and getting a lot of really good stuff out of
audio books. But it's it's my eyesight has diminished. It
hasn't bothered my insight. In fact, my inside is better
now when my eyesight is not so good that it
(07:09):
was when my eyesight was good and I didn't have
to pay attention to my inside.
Speaker 2 (07:15):
Why do you think that is well?
Speaker 3 (07:17):
Because I was busy doing what my eyesight could tell me.
You know what I was looking for. I was looking
for whatever it was. I was looking forward that I needed,
which I'm not complaining about that now. Because I don't
have my eyesight as good as it was, I can
actually appreciate the fact that there are things I can
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understand that I didn't understand before because I'm not seeing
the things that I could see before. It's a sort
of a juxtaposition of things that are going on life,
and it's good whichever it is.
Speaker 1 (08:04):
Yeah, through your life, is there one thing that you
can look back and go I took that for granted.
Speaker 3 (08:13):
Oh my, I just the fact that I breathe every day,
the fact you know that I get up and walk,
the fact that I used to be able to run
up my steps, and now I have to just make
myself walk up my steps. There are lots of things,
but that doesn't make them worse or better. I'm grateful
(08:35):
that I can get up my steps.
Speaker 1 (08:50):
For your book, writing it, did you then have did
you just voice the things you wanted to say and
then you had someone just kind of write it out
for you or how did that process work?
Speaker 3 (09:00):
I worked with people, you know, we talked about things
and disgust and because like I remember one day spending
two hours trying to express in words what love is,
(09:20):
and we tried one in try another, and after two
hours of working with that, we finally realized that, you know,
there are no words that can explain to a person
what love is, because all the songs in the world,
all the paintings in the world, all the stories in
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the world about love don't really allow a person to
experience love. Just like if a person is born blind
and you try to explain to them what the color
green is, if you have never experience instant, you don't
know what it is. So it's that that ability to
(10:05):
have things happen and you experience them and you feel them,
and you allow it to come into yourself and you
know that that then is a part of you.
Speaker 1 (10:19):
That's beautiful. I love that one of your secrets that
you put in was all life needs to move when
obviously listeners are going to force them, not importantly, they
all need this book. So I'm gonna highly encourage What
do you mean though, by all life needs to move?
Speaker 2 (10:40):
Exactly that? Because if life doesn't move, if it gets
stuck any place, it dies. If you have rosebud, a
rose climbing rose, and it gets stuck someplace up the
trellis and it can't go any farther, it dies. Life
has to move. We have to take our breath, each
(11:04):
breath at a time and move in order for life
to continue. If we didn't, if our blood didn't continue
to circulate, if our heart didn't continue pump, if things
didn't tote to continue to move on, we would die, right,
(11:24):
Just life has to move. Life and movement are part
of what life is.
Speaker 1 (11:44):
And then you know, being to on the more holistic
side of medicine, has it been hard for you to
kind of watch the new wave of things that have
of medicine today's age, or like, what is your kind
of take on that and and a second part of
that is, you know, what is something to be mindful?
(12:04):
Like I I want to live the fullest, longest, you
know life that I can and I want to instill
that into my children too, with you know, health, eating
and balancing, you know, in therapy and you know working
out and you know, but is there something that people
(12:24):
are missing in that that can additionally add to you know,
is it something holistically or is it you know, not
having that glass of wine even though it's sometimes really nice? Uh,
Because you know, I've talked to a doctor amen on
here and he is just like, alcohol is the worse
for you? And and I'm like, God, I'm hearing this,
(12:45):
and I want to live a long life and I
want to have great brain health, but I really also
enjoy the glass of wine sometimes at the end of
the night. And I'm just like, what's the balance.
Speaker 3 (12:55):
I can't tell anybody what it is because it has
to be personal thing. What works for me doesn't work
for the next person. I have a son who can't
eat garlic and onions, and the rest of us eat
garlic and onions all the time for crying out loud.
I was growing up in India Garlic onions Center. I
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can't understand this kid who is now a grown person,
retired and all of that, but he can eat guardians
and onions, and if I tried to teach him that
he had to eat garlic and onions. It's like my
other son who when he was well, I don't know
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about five, told me that eggs gave him us a
headache in his stomach. You know, well, I didn't make
him eat eggs. He now eats eggs, but at that point,
eggs get a headache in his stomach. It's that ability
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of us to understand ourselves and learn to love ourselves.
There's always one person you can always love, and that's you,
because that person doesn't get away from you. And it's
it's only not only, it's as we begin to find
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the the parts of ourselves that we can begin to
understand and really think, yeah, that's that's good.
Speaker 2 (14:30):
That's good.
Speaker 3 (14:31):
I like that, and then incorporate that aspect of ourselves
into something that makes us sing, makes us. I have
my five l's. I've told you, have I spoken about this?
Speaker 1 (14:47):
No you haven't. I'd love to hear them that.
Speaker 3 (14:50):
The first one is life, life without love can't go
any place. It dies, it doesn't even exist. You can
have a shell, a seed in the pyramid, and it
has a shell around it has all the life of
the universe within it, but it can't do anything until love,
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in the form of water and sunlight and that kind
of thing activates. It breaks the shell, so the life
can then begin to move. Then life comes back. But
you see, life without love is nothing, It's just stuck.
(15:39):
And so in order for life and love to move,
it's like the sperm and the ovum. The ovum and
the sperm need to connect in order for a person
to become a person. It's the reality of that. The
energy is those two energies which the words life and
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love are the same except for the letter I n oh,
because the eye is the masculine, the oh is the feminine.
It's the moving together of those energies that lets us live,
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and we live if we love, so that the words
themselves can't be real until they actually, you know, become
the one unit, which is life and love. Anyway, so
that you start there these five bells, life and love,
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and you have the one that is the two third
one is laughter. Laughter without love is mean it's cruel.
It's it. It hurts, it can be very painful. Wars
are fought be you know. So laughter without love is cruel,
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But laughter with love is joy and happiness. It's the
same thing, but it's how it's used. It's how how
we take it in and how we are able to
let it grow and become part of who we are.
The fourth l is labor. Labor without love is drudgery.
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You know, I gotta go to work. There are too
many diapers. This is too hard. I don't like this.
This is my job.
Speaker 2 (17:39):
You know.
Speaker 3 (17:40):
That kind of adjust a drudgery. It's just too hard.
But labor with love is bliss.
Speaker 2 (17:53):
It's why you do what you're doing.
Speaker 3 (17:55):
It's why a paiger does what they paid, a cigare
does why they say, you know, it's a very essence
of our being is labor with love. And then the
fifth one is listening. Listening without love is empty sound.
It's the calling glaion, an empty sound. It's just it
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doesn't go any place. It's just there. But with love
is understanding. It allows as you begin to listen to
what people are saying, and you're beginning to listen to
what you're saying not just to the world, but to
yourself that begins and begin to understand it, then you've
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got a really, really something, really important going on within
you for sure.
Speaker 1 (18:52):
Yeah, that listening piece is that's been something that I've
had to learn and practice because I think I know
other Yeah, I know I'm not alone in this, but
I go quick to defend right instead of and through
the years of therapy and past couples counseling, it's like, Okay,
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really listen, you know, because you might not understand it,
you might not agree with it, but you still should listen,
and that's gonna then grow. And but that's that's that's
a hard one.
Speaker 3 (19:23):
Sometimes it is a hard one. But one of the
privileges of having children is being able to listen to
what your children are saying. Why my third son, when
he was four years old, came in one day and uh,
he says, Mom, I know something, And I said, what's that?
Speaker 2 (19:44):
Bobby? He says, if I make a friend and he
makes a friend, and he makes a friend, it's going
to go all around the world to come back to me. So,
of course he's a psychologist, you know.
Speaker 3 (19:56):
This is where was basically telling me that he was
going to be working with people and tried to understand
them and you know that whole process. And then my
second son, when he was seven, comes in and he says, well,
he says, I wish Jesus was here. And I said, oh, okay.
Speaker 2 (20:21):
Well so do I. But why do you?
Speaker 3 (20:24):
He says, because I've got questions? And I said, well
try me. He said, but you don't have the answers.
And I said, but just try me. See what. So
he says, okay, how can God be if he never
got started? And I said, well, you know, I took
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a deep breath and I said, well, maybe it's like
a circle. It doesn't have a beginning, gir and and
he says, oh, I knew you didn't have the answers
at all, because so of course he's a retired president
and minister. I mean, you know when you listen to
what people say and you took that away and think,
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well this is interesting, you know, this is really interesting,
and then watch them grow into that it's it's just
absolutely it's awesome.
Speaker 1 (21:22):
I love that so much. And I cannot wait to
read your book because you obviously have so much life
experience and everything that you know you're I want to
know the six Secrets to health and happiness, and so
everybody grab her book, The Well Lived Life one hundred
and two year old doctors Six Secrets to Health and
Happiness at every age. It's available now. Thank you so
(21:44):
much for coming on the show.
Speaker 2 (21:45):
You're certainly welcome.
Speaker 1 (21:47):
Thank you, you're a sweetheart. Thank you so much.
Wind Down with Janet Kramer and I'm Heart Radio podcast.
This week's Whine About It Thursday Therapy. We've got doctor
Gladys McGary. So she's one hundred and two years old
and she has a book out called The Well Lived Life,
A one hundred two year old Doctor's Six Secrets to
Health and Happiness at Every Age. It's available now, Let's
get her on.
Speaker 2 (00:23):
Hello.
Speaker 1 (00:24):
Hi, you can hear me, I can hear you, and
I can see how beautiful you are.
Speaker 2 (00:29):
Oh Hi, nice, you're pretty too.
Speaker 1 (00:33):
Oh thank you. I'm feeling, you know, like a million
bucks today. I'm pregnant and I'm just like everything kind
of hurts today, but I feel like I can't complain.
I'm really excited to talk to you, though, because I
just when I was reading The Rundown, it says it
(00:53):
says her book The Well Lived Life one hundred and
two year old Doctor Six Secrets to Health and Happiness
at Every Age. It's available now, and I was just was,
you know, reading the Rundown everything that you've done, and
I'm just it's just I think it's just so beautiful
and the fact that you are still you know, you're
you're writing books and just still living such a full
(01:16):
life is such a beautiful thing. And I'm curious do
you ever get how do I say this when people
are like, oh, you look amazing, because it's like, yes,
you're one hundred and you're one hundred and two. No
do you get like, of course, I look, I've taken
(01:37):
great care of myself or do you kind of get
like why are you at? Like you know, because people
always like you're forty years old and I'm like, well,
am I supposed to look older than forty?
Speaker 2 (01:46):
You know? Yeah?
Speaker 1 (01:47):
So it's like it makes you feel old when people
A'm like, oh my god, you're forty and I'm like, well, yeah,
they're like I thought you were you know, late or thirties,
and I'm like, no, I'm almost forty. But okay, but
do you how is that for you? Are you like,
do you like that when people say that?
Speaker 3 (02:05):
Or yeah, people say it all the time. It didn't
make much sense to me. You look like what you
look like? You know, what are you going to do
about it? And you can get a facelift, but that
doesn't help.
Speaker 2 (02:18):
Any temporary right well.
Speaker 3 (02:22):
It just it doesn't say anything about who you are.
I have a friend who is a speaker. She speaks
all around every place. And she told me one time
that she was in a a doing a talk in Hollywood,
and when she had people ask questions, she didn't know
(02:46):
who was asking the question, even if she could see
their faces, because they all looked alike. They'd had so
much in the way of facial surgery and so on
to look like what they should look like. And you know,
instead of claiming what it is that you actually look
(03:08):
like when you're this age, I mean, what are you
going to do about it? When I was seventy having
my seventieth birthday, by grandson was on the seat beside
me and he says, how old are you, nanny? And
I said, I'm seventy and he says, how old is
that old? And I said, oh, I don't know, it's
(03:31):
it's older. And he started pushing my face and he says, well,
what about these ruggles? And I said, don't worry about them.
They don't worry young. They don't hurt on the inside.
They look funny on the outside, but they don't hurt
on the inside. They're all right. I mean, it's that
(03:52):
kind of accepting who and what you are and making
it do. I mean, we're not going to do a bit.
Speaker 2 (04:03):
Right.
Speaker 1 (04:03):
I mean, yeah, I mean that's a that's a good
perspective on that too. And you know, is there something
I mean, people obviously are probably like, you know, what's
your secret?
Speaker 2 (04:13):
What you know?
Speaker 1 (04:14):
And is that why you're like, Okay, I'm writing this
book because here are my secrets?
Speaker 2 (04:18):
Yes, you know, here am I secret? Here?
Speaker 3 (04:21):
I'm trying to tell you when I've written the book,
is that this is I don't consider it good or
bad that a person wants to look different from the
way they are. I mean, that's all right, that's your choice,
but for me that unnecessary. You know, it's just a
(04:44):
waste of time to try and pretend that you look
different from what you feel like you look like.
Speaker 1 (04:53):
For sure. And I think it's hard too because in
this era of social media, you you know, having the
ability to change how your face looks with the tap
of a little filter switch has been I think the
most dangerous thing because you know, I've spoken on this
like I've stopped using the certain filter that I used
(05:14):
to use because I'm like, that's actually not what my
nose looks like or what my face looks like. So
I need to stop that because it's mentally not great.
Nor would I want my daughter to swipe on something
that isn't what she looks like, because she's beautiful in
my eyes, and I wouldn't want that or to promote that. Now. Sometimes,
(05:36):
you know, it's nice to be able to go, Okay,
here's a little I don't know if you're on Instagram,
but like this softens it a little bit and makes
it look a little better. But so I for you,
do you think it was maybe easier without the social
media aspect growing up or having that comparison of things,
or was that comparison of other people there just not
(05:56):
on the public platform.
Speaker 2 (05:59):
I think it's what every person wants to do with that.
Speaker 3 (06:03):
I mean, I'll never look like Marilyn Mineral, I'll never
look like Elizabeth Taylor. I don't need to look like them.
I look like me, and they don't need to look
like me. And so I'm me and you're you, and
it's wonderful. And life goes on and you're going to
(06:25):
continue to age properly adequately, and that's that's just fine,
you know. And you know, in the process of aging,
my eyes have you know, they well, I can't see
well enough to read, so I'm listening to audio books
(06:48):
and getting a lot of really good stuff out of
audio books. But it's it's my eyesight has diminished. It
hasn't bothered my insight. In fact, my inside is better
now when my eyesight is not so good that it
(07:09):
was when my eyesight was good and I didn't have
to pay attention to my inside.
Speaker 2 (07:15):
Why do you think that is well?
Speaker 3 (07:17):
Because I was busy doing what my eyesight could tell me.
You know what I was looking for. I was looking
for whatever it was. I was looking forward that I needed,
which I'm not complaining about that now. Because I don't
have my eyesight as good as it was, I can
actually appreciate the fact that there are things I can
(07:42):
understand that I didn't understand before because I'm not seeing
the things that I could see before. It's a sort
of a juxtaposition of things that are going on life,
and it's good whichever it is.
Speaker 1 (08:04):
Yeah, through your life, is there one thing that you
can look back and go I took that for granted.
Speaker 3 (08:13):
Oh my, I just the fact that I breathe every day,
the fact you know that I get up and walk,
the fact that I used to be able to run
up my steps, and now I have to just make
myself walk up my steps. There are lots of things,
but that doesn't make them worse or better. I'm grateful
(08:35):
that I can get up my steps.
Speaker 1 (08:50):
For your book, writing it, did you then have did
you just voice the things you wanted to say and
then you had someone just kind of write it out
for you or how did that process work?
Speaker 3 (09:00):
I worked with people, you know, we talked about things
and disgust and because like I remember one day spending
two hours trying to express in words what love is,
(09:20):
and we tried one in try another, and after two
hours of working with that, we finally realized that, you know,
there are no words that can explain to a person
what love is, because all the songs in the world,
all the paintings in the world, all the stories in
(09:42):
the world about love don't really allow a person to
experience love. Just like if a person is born blind
and you try to explain to them what the color
green is, if you have never experience instant, you don't
know what it is. So it's that that ability to
(10:05):
have things happen and you experience them and you feel them,
and you allow it to come into yourself and you
know that that then is a part of you.
Speaker 1 (10:19):
That's beautiful. I love that one of your secrets that
you put in was all life needs to move when
obviously listeners are going to force them, not importantly, they
all need this book. So I'm gonna highly encourage What
do you mean though, by all life needs to move?
Speaker 2 (10:40):
Exactly that? Because if life doesn't move, if it gets
stuck any place, it dies. If you have rosebud, a
rose climbing rose, and it gets stuck someplace up the
trellis and it can't go any farther, it dies. Life
has to move. We have to take our breath, each
(11:04):
breath at a time and move in order for life
to continue. If we didn't, if our blood didn't continue
to circulate, if our heart didn't continue pump, if things
didn't tote to continue to move on, we would die, right,
(11:24):
Just life has to move. Life and movement are part
of what life is.
Speaker 1 (11:44):
And then you know, being to on the more holistic
side of medicine, has it been hard for you to
kind of watch the new wave of things that have
of medicine today's age, or like, what is your kind
of take on that and and a second part of
that is, you know, what is something to be mindful?
(12:04):
Like I I want to live the fullest, longest, you
know life that I can and I want to instill
that into my children too, with you know, health, eating
and balancing, you know, in therapy and you know working
out and you know, but is there something that people
(12:24):
are missing in that that can additionally add to you know,
is it something holistically or is it you know, not
having that glass of wine even though it's sometimes really nice? Uh,
Because you know, I've talked to a doctor amen on
here and he is just like, alcohol is the worse
for you? And and I'm like, God, I'm hearing this,
(12:45):
and I want to live a long life and I
want to have great brain health, but I really also
enjoy the glass of wine sometimes at the end of
the night. And I'm just like, what's the balance.
Speaker 3 (12:55):
I can't tell anybody what it is because it has
to be personal thing. What works for me doesn't work
for the next person. I have a son who can't
eat garlic and onions, and the rest of us eat
garlic and onions all the time for crying out loud.
I was growing up in India Garlic onions Center. I
(13:17):
can't understand this kid who is now a grown person,
retired and all of that, but he can eat guardians
and onions, and if I tried to teach him that
he had to eat garlic and onions. It's like my
other son who when he was well, I don't know
(13:39):
about five, told me that eggs gave him us a
headache in his stomach. You know, well, I didn't make
him eat eggs. He now eats eggs, but at that point,
eggs get a headache in his stomach. It's that ability
(14:00):
of us to understand ourselves and learn to love ourselves.
There's always one person you can always love, and that's you,
because that person doesn't get away from you. And it's
it's only not only, it's as we begin to find
(14:21):
the the parts of ourselves that we can begin to
understand and really think, yeah, that's that's good.
Speaker 2 (14:30):
That's good.
Speaker 3 (14:31):
I like that, and then incorporate that aspect of ourselves
into something that makes us sing, makes us. I have
my five l's. I've told you, have I spoken about this?
Speaker 1 (14:47):
No you haven't. I'd love to hear them that.
Speaker 3 (14:50):
The first one is life, life without love can't go
any place. It dies, it doesn't even exist. You can
have a shell, a seed in the pyramid, and it
has a shell around it has all the life of
the universe within it, but it can't do anything until love,
(15:14):
in the form of water and sunlight and that kind
of thing activates. It breaks the shell, so the life
can then begin to move. Then life comes back. But
you see, life without love is nothing, It's just stuck.
(15:39):
And so in order for life and love to move,
it's like the sperm and the ovum. The ovum and
the sperm need to connect in order for a person
to become a person. It's the reality of that. The
energy is those two energies which the words life and
(16:02):
love are the same except for the letter I n oh,
because the eye is the masculine, the oh is the feminine.
It's the moving together of those energies that lets us live,
(16:22):
and we live if we love, so that the words
themselves can't be real until they actually, you know, become
the one unit, which is life and love. Anyway, so
that you start there these five bells, life and love,
(16:44):
and you have the one that is the two third
one is laughter. Laughter without love is mean it's cruel.
It's it. It hurts, it can be very painful. Wars
are fought be you know. So laughter without love is cruel,
(17:06):
But laughter with love is joy and happiness. It's the
same thing, but it's how it's used. It's how how
we take it in and how we are able to
let it grow and become part of who we are.
The fourth l is labor. Labor without love is drudgery.
(17:32):
You know, I gotta go to work. There are too
many diapers. This is too hard. I don't like this.
This is my job.
Speaker 2 (17:39):
You know.
Speaker 3 (17:40):
That kind of adjust a drudgery. It's just too hard.
But labor with love is bliss.
Speaker 2 (17:53):
It's why you do what you're doing.
Speaker 3 (17:55):
It's why a paiger does what they paid, a cigare
does why they say, you know, it's a very essence
of our being is labor with love. And then the
fifth one is listening. Listening without love is empty sound.
It's the calling glaion, an empty sound. It's just it
(18:19):
doesn't go any place. It's just there. But with love
is understanding. It allows as you begin to listen to
what people are saying, and you're beginning to listen to
what you're saying not just to the world, but to
yourself that begins and begin to understand it, then you've
(18:45):
got a really, really something, really important going on within
you for sure.
Speaker 1 (18:52):
Yeah, that listening piece is that's been something that I've
had to learn and practice because I think I know
other Yeah, I know I'm not alone in this, but
I go quick to defend right instead of and through
the years of therapy and past couples counseling, it's like, Okay,
(19:13):
really listen, you know, because you might not understand it,
you might not agree with it, but you still should listen,
and that's gonna then grow. And but that's that's that's
a hard one.
Speaker 3 (19:23):
Sometimes it is a hard one. But one of the
privileges of having children is being able to listen to
what your children are saying. Why my third son, when
he was four years old, came in one day and uh,
he says, Mom, I know something, And I said, what's that?
Speaker 2 (19:44):
Bobby? He says, if I make a friend and he
makes a friend, and he makes a friend, it's going
to go all around the world to come back to me. So,
of course he's a psychologist, you know.
Speaker 3 (19:56):
This is where was basically telling me that he was
going to be working with people and tried to understand
them and you know that whole process. And then my
second son, when he was seven, comes in and he says, well,
he says, I wish Jesus was here. And I said, oh, okay.
Speaker 2 (20:21):
Well so do I. But why do you?
Speaker 3 (20:24):
He says, because I've got questions? And I said, well
try me. He said, but you don't have the answers.
And I said, but just try me. See what. So
he says, okay, how can God be if he never
got started? And I said, well, you know, I took
(20:48):
a deep breath and I said, well, maybe it's like
a circle. It doesn't have a beginning, gir and and
he says, oh, I knew you didn't have the answers
at all, because so of course he's a retired president
and minister. I mean, you know when you listen to
what people say and you took that away and think,
(21:09):
well this is interesting, you know, this is really interesting,
and then watch them grow into that it's it's just
absolutely it's awesome.
Speaker 1 (21:22):
I love that so much. And I cannot wait to
read your book because you obviously have so much life
experience and everything that you know you're I want to
know the six Secrets to health and happiness, and so
everybody grab her book, The Well Lived Life one hundred
and two year old doctors Six Secrets to Health and
Happiness at every age. It's available now. Thank you so
(21:44):
much for coming on the show.
Speaker 2 (21:45):
You're certainly welcome.
Speaker 1 (21:47):
Thank you, you're a sweetheart. Thank you so much.
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