Kyle Cease on Linking Laughter with Personal Transformation

LeAnn is joined by Kyle Cease, a best selling author with a unique gift of merging comedy with personal transformation. His innovative approach and insight will leave you inspired- and smiling.

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Speaker 1 (00:00):
Holy Human with Leanne Rhymes is a production of I
Heart Radio. Hello my friends, Welcome to Holy Human. I
have been looking forward to this episode because I find
my next guest as amusing as he is inspirational, and

(00:22):
that is a rare combination. Kyle Ceas made a name
for himself as a top comic before turning his gifts
of laughter into something even more impactful and transformative, and
he's here to share his wit and wisdom on today's
Holy Human. Yeattract a welcome to the whole a Human podcasts.

(01:01):
And we and I've been in each other's lives, but
not really known each other until like last Friday. I
think actually in person. You were in Ten Things I
Hate About You, which my ex boyfriend was in so
like years ago? How I mean, how long ago? Is that?
Not twenties something years ago? It was came out in
March of nine against Commune Tricks. Oh really perfect timing. Uh.

(01:26):
And then now you're my neighbor. Basically I know, I'm
so you know, I know. We also did Lewis's events
like back to back, and you know, and i've I've
I've seen you. It sounds stock or ish, but I
just happened to see you four or five times at
different stores or restaurants around town. Yeah well, just like

(01:47):
oh LeAnn Rhymes lives around here. Yeah yeah. Well, I'm
glad that you are now in my life. And it
kind of came about because I stumbled upon your very
first book that you wrote, I Hope I Screw This Up.
And when I started listening to it, it was so
beautiful to hear another performer be so vulnerable about their fears.

(02:10):
And when I started this podcast, that was my very
first episode was about that. That's how I opened up.
I was like, I'm scared shitless of doing this. I
don't like the way I sound, I don't like listening
to myself. I feel stupid, like all the things, all
the all the things that come up. And when when
I was listening to the audiobook of I Hope I
Screw This Up and you opened that way, I was like,

(02:32):
I have to get to know him because that vulnerability
is so so powerful. In fact, I mean, I text
you this morning I was like, I'm feeling really really
raw and vulnerable right now, and I just wanted you
to know because I appreciate people who I can be
that vulnerable with and I I appreciate that vulnerability being

(02:52):
put out into the world. Well, well let me ask
you this actually, Well, first of all, thank you for
the kind words. And I will just say on that note,
we have something in us that thinks you have to
do it right before you do anything, and for for
some reason we forget as a child, you you needed
a million attempts to learn to walk and you had
to fall over constantly. And yeah, the basis if I

(03:14):
hope I screwed this up is it was written by
someone who, as a child, was told like I had.
I had terrible comprehension, Like I was so bored actually
just reading the two paragraph thing like a bear goes
to the store. And then when it's like, now, why
did the bar goes to store, I'm like, I don't care.
I really just didn't care. But I you know, I
didn't have amazing grammar and I didn't know how, you know.

(03:36):
And if you said to that kid, like you're going
to write a book, I'd be like, I don't know
how to do it. And then and then your ego
goes there's all these ways that I need to do
it right. And I thought, what if I just start
writing exactly what I'm feeling. So so the first like
eight chapters of the book army struggling and falling apart
about the fact, like the book starts out with me

(04:00):
actually horrified that I'm writing a book. And it literally
the first like whatever eighty pages are me not wanting
to write it, Army freaking out, Army saying I don't
know how to do this, and you just see these
kind of really comedic deflections. And but the point of
the book is if you stay in the room while

(04:20):
you're in that pain, stuff starts to work itself out.
In fact, I would say I'm really more and more
comfortable in places where I'm brand new, Like I just
started jiu jitsu and I'm I'm terrible at it. I'm
totally a white belt and I've done like eighteen nineteen
classes and you know, I'm in choke holds and everything.

(04:40):
But what I love about it is that I have
so much to learn, and there's so much um falling
over and so much not being an expert in this area,
and there's it's like a different human gets to exist,
a child and me, a lostness gets to exist. And
so the book after like the eighty pages starts to
write itself. It's almost like I start to get out

(05:01):
of the way once I have been through that willingness
to do it wrong, and all of a sudden, the
book starts writing itself, and it and it gets better
and better and better as you keep going. So at
first it's this catastrophe and then it gets better. Then
I realized that's life. Like if you just okay, like
you're going to feel less and less nervous with every podcast,
right and because you're just it's just becoming a part

(05:24):
of you now to do this well. I feel like
they're starting not to interrupt you, but I feel like
it's the avoidance for me at least, and I think
for a lot of people it's the avoidance of shame.
We won't let ourselves try the new thing because we're
trying to avoid being shamed. And for me also, there
is trying to hold up being Lean Rhymes for so
long and feeling like I have to only do the

(05:48):
things that Lean Rhymes is good at because it's also
a safe it's a safety mechanism. My livelihood, my money,
like everything is tied to that. So it's like I'm
trying to not only avoid shame, but keep myself safe.
And at some point, like you're saying, we forget as kids,
how many times do we have to fall before we walked?

(06:08):
And we lose the curiosity at some point and instead
trade it for safety or the illusion of safety. Well,
how crazy is this. You're not actually avoiding shame from
the outside. You're actually containing shame through the addictive desire
for perfectionism and keeping the story of Leon Rhymes going,

(06:31):
those things going can help you avoid the release of
the shame that exists in the body. And so imagine that,
like everything outside, all the things we want to do
and get right, and all the actions were trying to
take and all the figuring out, and even in the
self help community, I gotta figure this out, I gotta
do this. All of these things are are ways of

(06:51):
avoiding what's trying to just come up and out, like
there's in your body right now, Like keeping the right
relationship going, keeping the job. All of these things are
us grabbing something. And if we just lost that, you'd
have to actually be with a feeling of uncertainty, a loneness,
unloved loss. You'd have to be in fear, you'd have

(07:14):
to be you would have to become a space that
would make that feeling okay. And so imagine like we're
like grabbing onto everything, because if I have some tangible
vision of the future or an action step or figuring out,
then basically imagine that the old story that of Leanne

(07:34):
Rhymes in the successful um way that we know you.
Imagine like if that collapses, then what comes out is
like something that was buried in the body. Imagine we're
keeping that story to not release something that's in the body.
And imagine, of course you're still Leanne Rhymes and you'll

(07:57):
still be singing incredibly at It's not even that anything
from the past would actually fall, but our attachment to
it would, right, And so if we just let it
fall for a second, right, and we're just here, then
what happens is there's an inner child. There's a you
that's sitting here that's finally being seen. So imagine you

(08:19):
have an inner child, and in fact make it another kid.
If I make it my I have a four year
old daughter. Imagine if she's saying I feel unloved, and
imagine when she says I feel unloved, if I turn
away from her and go well, let's find someone to
love you, and let's get the neighbors to like you.
Let's put on makeup so they'll think that you're amazing
and then like you. What she needs is me to

(08:42):
like her. What she needs is me to say I
hear you, and she almost needs me to say, you're
allowed to feel unloved. Here. Imagine if I just was like,
you're allowed to So if I say to the pain
in my body, this is like a thing I spent
the last year and a half doing. You're allowed to
feel shame in my body. You're allowed to feel unloved.
And and the space that I became was like I

(09:04):
became the parent for the shame that's in the body.
So when you were saying you're feeling vulnerable this morning,
like what would you see say the feeling was that
was coming up? Like what was the Oh? So I
was just I was terrified for a moment. And something
I've learned from your book was I'm scared and I

(09:26):
love you. I love this, I love this feeling and
in which and I did use it this morning. I
was like, I'm scared and I love this, like and
it did. It did shift something in me because I
also knew because of my fear. It's because I care. Yes,
there's a shadow piece of that, of the perfection, and

(09:46):
I want to be good at it and all the things,
But ultimately it's because I care, and it's because I'll
start crying. It's because I want people to listen to
this and and received something that shifts them, that changes
something for them, that that makes it not even that
just just that makes an impact, and that's really what

(10:08):
it's about. And so when I started to get into
that piece for myself, it was like, oh I trust now, yes, Well,
here's the ironic twist. Is this type of fall apart
that lets go of how perfectly you do this so
that other people get the lesson ends up doing even better,
Like do you falling apart in your vulnerability is like

(10:32):
the it's like you're letting go of the hold on
to how you see that this podcast will go for them.
And one thing that your inner child could use is
the letting go of the results for other people for
a second, Like imagine imagine releasing the how it looks,
how it goes, and instead we just trust that the

(10:53):
authentic you that's unfolding here, that's here right, now is
enough and is even more remission. Would we rather you
turn from a caterpillar to a butterfly on the podcast,
or would we rather that and a caterpillar energy? Is
I got to get everyone else to shift right right,
or there's a lot of us that are moving into
our butterfly that that won't fly until all the caterpillars

(11:16):
we know fly too. And and that's the last ditch
addiction of the butterfly. It's like, if I'm hanging with
caterpillar energy, I have to stay walking and not fly.
And like I think the greatest shift, like my events
are called evolving out loud because it's literally just me
evolving and and the byproduct is the people can take

(11:36):
what they want with it. But I'm not I'm not
caught on alright, I try to not be. Of course
I am somewhat, but I less and less I'm caught
on what the results are, how well it goes, because
I'd rather shift me and let the energy of that
shifted me go into the work, then have a half me,

(11:57):
half what the audience thinks of me. Right, yeah, no,
that makes complete sense. And I know that that's been
shifting for me to like I've been getting up in
the morning, and I think the last thing that I've
started to really focus on or connect with has been
my body. And I get up every morning and I
have this routine of moving my lymphatic system and like

(12:19):
just kind of getting more into my body. It takes about,
you know, the half an ourt of forty five minutes,
and it's it's just been something that I've really loved.
And it usually when I've been focusing on my body,
it's been because of external reasons because once again, I
want to avoid shame. I want to avoid you know,
I have to have to look good. And because I've
had this new kind of relationship with my body went

(12:39):
after when I go to work out, my workout has
been because I want to move my body like it
feels good to move, instead of being externally focused of
what will this get me? What I'm starting to get
from it has been even I've been working on working
with my voice also, which is a new thing for me.
I feel like I got to go out of practice

(13:01):
being you know, not being on the road. And what
I'm starting to realize is that I'm wanting to do
the thing for these things for me because I want
to feel good and also see how great I can
be for me. And I think that's a huge, huge
shift because we're constantly thinking like, what is this going
to get me externally instead of how is this going

(13:23):
to make me feel? And because I think for me,
the biggest shift right now has been my own sense
of self worth. And until I've started to shift that,
I wasn't able to do anything for me. So what
if right now, part of this crazy time and beyond

(13:43):
is actually like, instead of looking at it from what
the government's doing or politically or whatever, we look at
it from the universe's perspective. I love to see this
from the universe's perspective because what I see, what you
just said, the part of you, like that's the image,
the part of you that that worked out so that
you aren't shamed or so that you look good, or
you're just doing it to not lose something, right, You're

(14:06):
really doing it to not lose something, not lose approval
or fans or you know, not be getting crap from
tabloids or whatever. Right what if that whole world for
all of us and as as humanity is being pulled
from us right now? What if under what we're scared
to lose is the childhood trauma that created the need

(14:29):
for those things in the first place, Right, Like, for me,
there were times where I didn't feel safe as a child,
and um, I noticed one of the greatest ways I
could bond with my father was through comedy, and I
naturally became a stand up comedian at a young age
and it was a total thing for me. But what
if comedy was also a way to like be seen

(14:50):
by my parents? Like what if? What if? And it's like,
I'm scared to know who I am if I'm not seen.
So what if I had a crazy comedy career and
and did like thirty years of performing as a way
to not have to face the part of me that
feels abandoned? Right? And what if now God's going in

(15:11):
and just grabbing that abandoned trauma and pulling it out
of me and all of us. Right, It's just like
I'm going to make you face your deepest trauma of
of abandonment, of loss or whatever. And then inevitably on
the other side of this, and I believe that that
stuff is falling off really rapidly now, off of all
of us. What if on the other side of that

(15:32):
is the actual you that you've never met but you
actually are, meaning like, the you that doesn't have to
carry the image of lean rhymes, the you that doesn't
have to carry how you look is working out because
you want to move your body and you're actually truly
making your connection to your body number one. Ironically, as

(15:53):
a byproduct, more people connect to you because that's permission
for them to do it versus that you're an incredible inger.
It's like the you that's actually here right now. All
of us are going through this right now, all of
us are losing every identifiable thing that we thought we
were because in you could have enough of a job

(16:15):
or a decent enough relationship to not have to look
at your crap. But then broke all of our patterns
and it was like we have to like get present
with us. And then now you can't even go to
a restaurant in some places, you can't travel, you can't right,
So now you're faced with you, right, and so we're
it's like God's giving us like a two year time
out where we all have to like meditate and you

(16:37):
can't even say what you feel at a store because
you have a muzzle on now and like what's on
the other side of that is you, and there's a you,
and it's hard. You know when people say it's hard
to leave a situation that's in lack, like if you
grew up in a really bad area, that's hard to leave,
you know, that's a hard thing to grow up with.
I have to say, I think leaving an abundant circumstance

(17:00):
is also crazy hard. Like you, you're letting go of
a world where you've got so much love for and
and so much attention and so much in a way
of protection from those traumas by being a household named
star and in a way, we're going to give up

(17:20):
the attachment to that, which just got to be so
hard because you're in like the best of the cages.
Do you get what I mean? Like, oh, for sure, Yeah,
it's the best possible cage, best possible scenario, cage leather,
it's it's gold plated, it's not you know. Well, that's
what amazed me about your story and why I related

(17:40):
to it so much, was that you know, here you
are as a comedian at the top of your game,
and then you're like, I'm I'm done, Like I'm not
going to go out and chase that anymore and and perform,
and what craziness got into you? And that's the thing.
That's what a lot of people would think. Well, you men,
were you meditating at the time, like, did you have

(18:02):
a spiritual experience? Okay, okay, I want to tell you
that story. Yes, please, Well it was. It's a combination
of things. There was. There was a combination of reasons
that I left stand up and I did. I had
two Comedy Central specials, I had I toured over a
thousand colleges, I had headlined almost every comedy club in
the country, and I had a major you know, I
had teen movies. I had all this different career and

(18:24):
I was doing really big rooms and successful as a
stand up comic. And at one point I had a shift?
Did it? I'll just tell you the quick version of
it that basically, I was full of anxiety and I
got a Tony Robbin's book and started learning motivation. And
this was the first shift. This was the first. That's
not the big shift that happened after. But I went

(18:47):
from basically, you know, suicidal anxiety to number one Comedy
Central special just by changing my thinking that how can
I have number one. And then I had the second
part of me that was very excited to show everyone
else this. And I went through this first shift and
was like, I wanted to motivate everybody. So I started

(19:08):
teaching aspiring stand up comedians that they could do this too,
And so I got really driven, and I hired some
you know, and brought in different famous headliners to come
speak to aspiring young comics, and Louis Anderson the comedian,
partnered with me, and I would hear through the grape
vine here I was this crazy. I was like, all

(19:28):
of a sudden along with stand up doing this kind
of Tony Robbins in the comedy saying I'm teaching people
motivation and stuff. And I forgot that overall a lot
of comedians are primarily cynical, like they're and so here
I am in this positive state saying you can do anything.
And I would hear through the grapevine that peers of

(19:49):
mine that we're different headlining comics. We're saying Kyle's gone
off the deep end, he's crazy and stuff like that,
and he's just like he must be a cult leader now,
or he's a science ecologist, or he's whatever, and it
really hurt, and I noticed there was a part of
me that it hurt. On that note, we are going

(20:10):
to take a super quick break, but we'll be right
back to break down what paying close attention to those
emotional triggers can teach you. Welcome Back loves Kyle was
just sharing a story about how powerfully other people's perceptions
of you can impact your own sense of self. One day,

(20:32):
I was sitting with Louie Anderson at breakfast and I said,
I really want to get over what people think about me.
And what's great is I didn't say I want to
change what people think about me. I said I want
to get over it, right like I and and so
I then went to my hotel and there was a
car that was going to take me to the airport.
And I get an email and it says, hey, you
con man. I read with this comic wrote a blow

(20:53):
about you, and a comic that I didn't know that
was pretty well known, had to, you know, very very
dark energy that I'm not judging. I'm just saying he's
he's known for constantly drinking and different things like that,
um and and kind of calling bullshit like a darker
George Carlin kind of vibe. He wrote this blog about

(21:16):
me and uh spelled out how I must be scamming
people for money, how I must be sleeping with Louie,
how I must be like you know, it was crazy,
and it was also very funny, and it really articulated
a lot of points that weren't right. But he did
it really well and sold why I am a terrible
person and on it well, definitely. I mean, there was

(21:40):
a part of me that what was crazy was and
so right after we posted it, all these comics retweeted
it right and I had just said, this is what
was amazing about it. I had just said to Louie,
I want to get over what people think about me.
And then the universe was like, well, let's make it
so it's so unavoidable that it's like you have to

(22:01):
release full control of what people think about you. So
I knew enough to know that I'm about to learn
something that I didn't know that I need to know.
Like I had, I had enough in me to go
there's a whole new thing trying to happen. And I

(22:21):
told the car that was going to take me to
the airport to go without me, and I decided to
sit in the hotel for six days, and for the
first four days, all I was doing was constantly coming
up with how I could disprove them by having another
number one special, or how I could prove them wrong
with more success. It was almost like my ego was like, well,

(22:44):
I'll get more success. That's the only way to transcend this, right,
And there was a higher me though, that was just
staying in the room and letting it just fight and
go crazy. And by day four I had this moment
where I noticed that my mind was just coming up
with solution after solution, and I was just sitting on
the bed, and I realized, I've been saving my life

(23:06):
while I'm just sitting on the bed like I'm just
I'm always fine. And my my ego was coming up
with we'll do this because of this emergency, and we'll
do this, and I'm just I'm here fine. And this
was the first moment that I noticed my thoughts were
going crazy and I was just sitting safe on a
bed and I wasn't my thoughts and all of a sudden,
all of my past, all of my accomplishments, all of

(23:29):
my pain from the past, all of my story everything
I've ever been just died, and I just felt this
complete freedom. I just remember staring at the wall for
like five hours I had. It was better than any
accomplishment I'd ever had. It was better than booking a movie.
It was better than anything. I was just present and

(23:49):
time was different in this time, like it was five hours,
but it was instantly. I was just like there and
there was no There was no what do I do?
There wasn't one ounce of a thought. It was it
was just now, now what you were you meditating during
this time? Or was it just like you were just
sitting there like I mean, I guess I could be
the same thing. I mean, I meditate. It can be

(24:12):
the same thing. Definitely. There's times where I consciously meditate,
where I choose to sit with my eyes closed. But
I think that I do think that being alone in
a situation without technology and letting all that crap come up,
it's coming up loudly because it's coming out right, and
the louder it's coming up. It's on the verge of dying.
It's right there, right, And so I felt this now

(24:38):
presence and there was no Kyle. It was just like
the greatest feeling ever, and the next day I remember
the sun just like going up and down. There was
no time I forgot about food that day. I was
just like in bliss. And then day six, I flew home.
I tried to get my DVD player to play a movie.
That's how old this was. Trying it wouldn't play. I

(24:59):
tried to get to play another one. I try to
get to play six movies. Eventually the movie adaptation played
and there's a scene where Nicholas Cage says to his
brother the line he goes in high school, there's this
girl you really liked, and she was talking crap about you,
and you you didn't care. And he said, why is that?
And the brother said, because whatever she says about me,
she can't take away from me how much I love her.

(25:21):
And then he said, you are what you love, not
what loves you. And this was the greatest moment for
me to hear it, and I I understood that I'm
being what they think of me versus what I think
about what they think about me. And if you look
at us as kids were not nearly as invested in
what people will think, Well, we'll just jump up and down,

(25:42):
we'll get on a stage, we'll sing, we'll play, we'll
just say hi to strangers, because we are what we love.
And then society conditions you to be what loves you.
Society says you're not enough unless you, you know, follow
this authority in school, by this stuff, you're you know,
you're not enough unless you have this product. And and
this began the next shift of my life. And in

(26:04):
this time, I let go of motivation. I stopped believing
in motivation all of a sudden, and I just asked
myself to start out by letting go of everything in
my life that feels heavy, Like, what's something that feels
more like a pattern or an addiction. So the first
thing that I decided to let go of was I said,
I'm gonna go ninety days eating only raw vegan food.

(26:27):
And I said, if I eat anything cooked or an
animal product, I'm going to give away ten thousand dollars.
Like that was my leverage. Someone offers me a cookie,
It's a ten thousand dollar cookie, right, like, so, so
I can't do that. One bite won't hurt me thing,
it will It'll be ten thousand dollars, right. And I thought,
when I did this, this was just going to be

(26:47):
about getting really healthy, and it was. And none of
this is necessarily about being raw vegan specifically. This is
about me just going to a higher frequency, and that
was the method that was needed at that time to
do that. After thirty days of being fully raw vegan, though,
someone walked by me with a hot dog and all
I smelled was chemicals and metal, and I noticed that

(27:10):
that implied that my taste buds have changed, because thirty
days ago, I wouldn't have noticed that, and it would
have just been a hot dog and I would have
eaten it. Mhm. I get to day forty five, and
on the way there, I just noticed it's so clear
to me the way that cooked, fried food or animal
products feel in my body are so separate and heavy
from me now when they were a part of me.

(27:32):
So it felt like I'm like lightning, not only physically
but energetically. It's like I'm lifting out of the energy
of that. And I felt more and more separated from
that food. So I started asking myself at that time,
what else feels heavy? So I was like Facebook does
Like at the time, I don't want to be on Facebook.
No Facebook, And then I was like dating does, so
I said, Okay, for a while, I'm not going to

(27:52):
date or or hook up or anything. So in the
ninety days, I was like, Okay, all of a sudden,
I'm I'm getting nothing but freer time, and I'm all
of a sudden seeing myself as someone that can say
no to things, like I'm now bigger than Facebook. I'm
now like meaning like my yes to myself is bigger
than than Facebook, and or people that I had wanted
to date that we're interested suddenly, and now I'm like,

(28:14):
I'm able to say no to that. So at one
point I was like wanting that, and now I'm able
to pass on it, right, And so I kept going,
and on around day forty five, I remember thinking to myself,
I gotta go do a comedy club next week. And
that was the energy I said it, like I gotta
go do a club and I and I was like,
oh my god, like I've I now the thing that

(28:35):
used to be my dream career is now heavy to me, right.
And so I was with a friend Diego, and we
were letting go of things together. He was he was
filming me, and we were documenting this whole thing, and
at one point I looked into the camera and I
just decided, if it's heavy, I have to let go
of it. So I said, I'm officially done doing comedy

(28:55):
clubs on the road. And right we have this moment
on tape. Right when I said that, three auditions went
into my phone that second, and I hadn't had an
audition in three weeks, and all of a sudden, I
had three different ones from different things. And we started
kind of wondering, did I make room for that? Like
it sounds like kind of crazy, but it was like

(29:16):
there started being this understanding and even if you don't
hear this in the magical way, what we started realizing
and Diego is the one that said this is when
you let go of something heavy, the only reason you're
scared is your mind can only measure what you will
lose and it can't see what you'll gain. So when
you let go of something, there there's a there's a

(29:38):
feeling in your body. You're just seeing the goodbye to
the relationship, but you're you're actually making room for you know,
eight billion people if you're bisexual and willing to date everybody.
So when you're saying goodbye to something, you're I'm gonna
lose that job. I'm going to lose the money from
that job. Yeah, but you might be making space to
receive on a higher level. So when I said I'm

(30:00):
done doing comedy clubs on the road, I remember very
well the next week I would have been at a
comedy club headlining, but instead I was now home and
I had this idea where I was I said, what
if we film? I was on an energy frequency where
I I was like, what if you combine comedy and transformation?
And I remember my ego thinking, I think, the way

(30:20):
you want to do what no one's ever done that?
And then my ego and my soul was like, right,
no one's ever done it like the way you want
to do it. It It would be a unique thing. What
if you combine comedy and transformation, you'd have your own field.
You could do it all. And this is also when
I started realizing the reason you think you can't is
the reason you have to write. Like and again, the

(30:40):
reason you think you can't is the reason you have
so so an example, I would love to live in
my highest calling, Kyle, but I have kids, all the
more reason to show them that they can too. Otherwise
you're going to teach them to ignore their calling because
you're doing it, and then you're actually making them the burden.
I'd love to just go write a book, Kyle, and

(31:01):
live in my highest but I gotta make money. Maybe
you're not making money because you're not writing the damn
book I think. I'd love to I'd love to be
in my freedom, but maybe everyone will judge me. All
the more reason to do it so they can transcend
their own judgment of themselves and follow and understand what
they are capable of by you embodying the actual essence
of what you are and letting them lose their judgment

(31:24):
or let it fizzle out by you not needing their
approval in the first place because you followed your highest right.
So then so then, Um, I was like, what if
I had done a ton of colleges as a stand
up comic. What if I make a video for the
bookers of every one of those colleges by name? So

(31:44):
Diego came over and we filmed hundreds of videos, like
five videos. I'm literally looking to a camera. Hi, this
is a message for Diane Johnson at North Idaho University.
This is Kyle ce. I spoke at your your comment
I did comment at your school, I'd love to do
the lecture circuits it right, And I remember a lot
of my comedy friends going, what are you doing, Like,

(32:05):
why don't you just headlining a comedy club? You could
be making like five grand. Well after I did that,
like a ton of colleges said yes, like probably a
hundred at a much higher rate, And all of a sudden,
like ten tho dollar gigs came in where I go
and do one night gig, you know, and it was
like all this new money came in once I let

(32:26):
go of the guaranteed money of the five thousand. Right then,
I had an agency that had always wanted me to
stay a comic and weren't supporting me in the higher
transformational version of me, but they still wanted ten percent
of all these gigs, and they started feeling heavy to me.
And I was very able to justify why I should

(32:49):
keep something. You know, they were getting the auditions and
I have a rule in my body that if I
have to justify keeping something, I have to let go
of it. And sometimes I forget at this, but this
is the rule I right. Right, Like, So, I have
a daughter who's four, and I've never said, well, she
gets good medical so I guess I'll keep being her dad.

(33:11):
She you know, she's She's really nice to me that
one time, so I'll keep being her father, Like that'd
be crazy. I don't justify why I do this for
a living. It's my calling, it's what I do. But
we all know what it's like to be like that
friend treated me like crap, but they got me a
nice dinner once, and I think they're really trying. That's justification.
Like I hate this job, but I know I'll get
a promotion later. That's justification. That's you going into your

(33:34):
mind to explain why you're ignoring your body. You're you
actually have to go into your head to explain because
in the first two seconds you already know if something
aligns with you and something doesn't right. Well, for the
two seconds, no, it comes up with a yeah, but right,
all right, We are gonna take a super quick breather,

(33:55):
but we'll be right back to further explore the crucial
connection between mind and body. Welcome back, friends, Kyle, CeCe
and I are breaking down disconnect between your body and
your mind. That's so interesting because that's you talk so
much about that about the letting go of what's heavy

(34:16):
connecting with our body, and for me, like I said earlier,
that's kind of been the last place I've gone, and
that is connecting with my body. And when you're disconnected,
which a lot of us have been because we've been
living up in our heads, it can be very confusing,
or at least it has been for me at times.
And especially with the trauma that I've had in my
life and a lot of people have. It's like, what

(34:37):
it feels heavy because of trauma, and what feels heavy
because it's actually heavy? Yeah, please, I would love to
hear it. Well. One, so I've actually I made a
video about this once. One is if it's truly you're calling,
then the heaviness on the way is just it's actually

(34:57):
just helped to release that. Right, So it's a calling.
There's other things that aren't a calling. You're just sitting
here going why do I keep holding onto this? There's
no part of you that goes I want it? And
and so your ego justifies keeping stuff that you don't
really want. Your soul is always going like like, oh
I want to become healthy. Yeah, but I would lose this, right,

(35:20):
I would lose getting to eat all this bad food
with my friends whatever. So I have a rule too
that in my life, the way I follow things is
through feeling. I ask if it is an expansive thing,
there's a first feeling with everything you do. It expands
you or it contracts you. And with everything there's always
a first voice that goes, what if I do this?
It's a calling? And then a second voice comes in

(35:41):
with why you shouldn't. That's the old story about to
die and it's trying to save itself. And I used
to use this as a bit, but it's a great example.
Like if you're you have this first calling as an opportunity,
and then the fear comes in on the second side.
If you follow the opportunity, the fear goes away. If
you follow the fear, the opportunity goes away. So you'll
have this thing in your body that goes like, what

(36:02):
if I left this company right now? By the way,
that calling wouldn't have shown up if you weren't ready
for it, right Like that moment that you just feel
a calling that goes, what if I started this podcast?
What if I became vulnerable? What if I opened up
your ego didn't want to do the podcast. Your soul
does this podcast you're doing right now, your soul wants

(36:24):
to do. The ego goes, no, who we are is
only a singer, and we got to stay that thing,
and we got to stay the past story. And the
soul's going, if you listen to me, we're going to
dissolve that identity and still be able to sing and
bring even more to the world. Right, So, if you
have this calling in you that says, like, what if
we left this company right now? That calling is a preview,

(36:45):
that's a feeling, that's a preview, and it's telling you
what you will. It's saying, you'll always feel like this
if you do this, And then a second voice comes
in with why you shouldn't, and it always has the
stupidest reason. It's like, yeah, but if we do, we
can't go to the cheesecake factory party next weekend. And
the first voice can't tell you this because it wants
you to move based on feeling and calling versus evidence.

(37:08):
But it's like, if you would follow me, you'll own
all the cheesecake factories in a month if you want it.
And the second voice was like, yeah, but they have
those high lettuce wraps. So if you've ever stayed in
a relationship, you don't want to be in because you
know eventually the two of you are going to go camping.
You know what I'm talking about. Right, It's like, I
hate this person, but we already bought the tent, so

(37:31):
I'll hate them for three months and then I'll hate
him in the woods and and then Christmas and I'll
hate him that and then we'll just keep going and
my might and with that agency, I'll just finish this
one thing. My justification for keeping the agency was they
get me auditions for movies, so they felt out of alignment.
They wanted ten percent of the colleges that I was

(37:53):
booking on my own, and they felt heavy. I'd just
be giving the money just to keep the auditions going.
So that means that I have to let go of them.
Does this make sense right? So my body, yeah, So
my body said we have to drop them. And I
called them up and I was like, I have to
let go of these people handle like Tom Hanks and stuff.

(38:14):
And they're like, are you crazy? Like why are you
letting go of us? And like they were kind of like,
no one lets go of us and I was like,
I know, it doesn't make sense. It's a spiritual thing.
I have to go, you know. I'm just I'm I'm
done working with you. And this is me now following
only the feeling. I mean, on paper, this is a
terrible decision, but my heart is going follow the feeling.

(38:34):
The next day, I get a call from a company
called GATE. It stands for Global Alliance of Transformational Entertainers.
Jim Carrey and Eckart tole had combined forces and created
an event. Now that sounds like a Kyle C's fantasy
that would never actually happen, right Like, those are the

(38:56):
most opposing energies, and those are the most two people
that I'm It's like on a scale of Jim carry
to Eckart totally, how excited are you? Right Like, they're
the most far apart people. And it was almost as
if from my perspective, once I let go of of
the agency and showed myself I'm even bigger than this
huge agency and the auditions and everything, Jim Carrey Neckart

(39:20):
Totally are having an event where two thousand people are coming,
and they asked me to speak at it, and I
go speak at it. And now that I'm not even
holding onto the agency, or the approval, or the need
for auditions, or the relationships or the Facebook or cooked food.
I've let go of all of those patterns. I felt
equal to everyone there. I didn't feel like I'm so
lucky to be with them. I felt like, I'm I'm

(39:41):
We're all even, I'm with Eckart, Tootle, I'm with Jim Carrey.
I went out on stage and I walked out. Jim Carrey,
Neckart totally were in the fourth row, and I walked out,
and I said, this is really weird because I'm told
all the time, I'm what would happen if Jim Carrey
and Eckart totally had a baby? And I said that
was one of my favorite parts of your book. I
was like that, yeah, it was. And I said, I

(40:03):
don't know if you guys are picturing that. I know
you're not, because it's a thought and I know you
don't have those. And then I said, some of you
guys might think that joke's offensive, but it's in the past,
so Eckart doesn't even know about it. And the place
like turned into the Apollo like they were screaming. It
was awesome and then there were producers in the audience
that just came up to me and started offering me

(40:24):
things in movies. Like, once I gave up the need
for the auditions, all of a sudden, I'm in this
alignment where it just comes to me. Right. So, if
you're like, I really need love and I can only
feel it for that person through that person, that person
is actually in the way of the actual love that
you need to feel to make you receptive to a
much better relationship. Right. And so this is when I

(40:47):
started getting life is not about motivation anymore, because motivation
is when I have something, I'll be happy. And the
huge shift in my life is it's not when something happens,
I'll be happy. It's when I'm happy things will happen.
And by happy, I mean okay with all my emotions,
crying out the vulnerability, crying out the shame. I'm actually
okay with the me in the moment. This makes me

(41:10):
so receptive to the all that isness at the moment.
And now I'm safe to receive massive abundance, massive really
good relationship, like because I don't care if I have it,
because my worthiness is in my connection with myself. And
so then the career blossomed into this crazy giant theater
touring thing and a New York Times bestselling book and

(41:33):
then another book that is a huge bestseller. And I mean, yeah,
so so that the motivation when the motivation isn't from
external like what motivates you? Now? I mean maybe that's
the wrong word for it, But where does that come from?
What drives you? Just? Is it as simple as what
feels good? Your joy? In the last year, what I've

(41:54):
started to leave is the belief that a high is
the highest. And what I mean by that is, um,
we all want a high like I got I booked
the role, or I got the movie, I got the person.
That's what I call a jackpot high. Like when you're
in Vegas and you hit jackpot. Okay, well, that's always
followed by a low because it's an energy that that

(42:16):
is a high and now you want to get it again.
And then that's what creates the people that sit at
the slot machine for twelve hours and never leave Vegas. Right,
you're chasing the high. But what if the new high
is here? What if instead of how high can I
feel my highest excitement is actually how here can I feel?

(42:36):
So when I wake up, I just listened to silence,
and and this now holds such a better unconditional love
than the love we're used to seeking. That's a high love.
I want approval from a person so I don't have
to feel my trauma. Now I'm falling in love. That's
not love. It's you just think you have finally what
you need to not have to feel that trauma of

(42:57):
abandonment because you found have the person here my I
don't have to feel lonely because this person said they'll
never leave me. That's a high. It's very future based.
Right and now holds a space of love that's actually unconditional.
This space right here doesn't care about your past story.
It doesn't care about what you think you are, or
what you've done to someone or what someone's done to you.

(43:20):
It doesn't care what's in your bank account. It just
loves you. And so more and more, my job is
to listen to this now. So when I wake up,
I just listen to silence, and I just listen, and
sometimes I'll go two hours and I actually am connecting
with the real love of my life and then letting

(43:40):
the day maneuver around that. And there are so many
decisions that I probably would have made before I meditated
that I don't after, like meaning like I wake up
and go I gotta call this person and this person.
Then I listened to silence for two hours, and I'm like,
I don't have to call any of those people. Well,
and in that silence you're listening. Well, first off, do

(44:00):
you call that formal meditation? Like when you get up
in a sit in silence, is that are you formally
meditating or are you just like I know, for me
sometimes during this pandemic, one of the things that I
would do was just go out and be in nature
because a lot of the time I've noticed in meditation
when I close my eyes sometimes I can be like
I'm almost using it as a way to escape instead

(44:22):
of sitting with my eyes open and being than being,
And that sometimes can be more confronting than meditation. Yes, well,
what's crazy is you're noticing while you're meditating that you're escaping.
So can you be present for the pattern that's escaping?
In other words, you just keep staying there And a

(44:43):
lot of times we're going I'm escaping. Like a lot
of times people say when they meditate, like I go
off on a tangent, and then I bring my focus
back here and I'm going, what if your mind wants
to go on that tangent? What if it needs to
be ok? Like, here's what we do, is that there's
a pattern that says I feel shame. Instead of us
trying to fix that pattern or even heal that pattern,
what if we just let the shame be there? Like

(45:06):
what if the escaping is there? What if the alone
is there and you actually walk around for half the
day feeling shame and not trying to overcome the shame
because only the ego wants to overcome the shame, but
by being present with the shame right there. And like,
I have had days where I'm just like, I just
feel trauma all over the place today, and I'm not

(45:26):
going to grab my phone. My most recent subtle addiction
I have is to tell other people about it. It's
like I need another right, I need another human to
like nod at me, to like like help me feel
like the thing I feel is justifiable or whatever. But
like when I listen to silence, I'm just point blank
seeing it, and so I don't need anyone else to

(45:48):
see it. Now a lot of people who have been
fully introverted in their life might be repressing a lot
of stuff, so extroverting might be a good idea. I've
extroverted everything my whole life, so going in eternal is
me actually seeing it but not repressing it. It's like
just it's like it's all trying to come out, and
my only job is to not like put it through

(46:08):
the funnel of someone else's opinion. Well, and that's been
good enough on your own to validate your own experience,
like believing that you're worth. All I need is my
my own validation for my own experience. What I kind
of think meditation is for me because there's no saying home,
and I'm not doing anything with my hands, and I
don't wear a bunch of beadids. And it's fine if

(46:29):
you do. But when I listen more and more, what
I do is I become a portal that gets bigger
and bigger and bigger for my old story to just
fall out of. And the more I do it, the
more easy it is for it to just fall out.
I'll just have a huge cry. And it's not even
like I'm suffering through it anymore. It's just like I'm
now more this now, and what we've trained ourselves to

(46:53):
do is chase other people's egos versus this space. Like
all approval is everyone else's egos, right right, right, You're
not even really getting to them, right right, And so
you just hope you hit a person who's who their
trauma involves hearing someone and becoming a people pleaser, and

(47:18):
then you're like, well, they don't even see me, I'm
gonna let them. Like, but you're never getting a person
fully in that space unless it's like a few people
on the planet, Like you know, you're getting people's egos
and you're and often we find people who feel like
our parents did as a child, so we can overcome that, right,
Like you want to date someone that feels like your

(47:40):
opposite sex parents that never saw you, so that that
way you can change it so Dad now sees you.
I don't know if that makes sense. Oh no, it
makes complete sense. I'm like, I totally get that. I
love that. I love the being in the moment piece.
There's there's a I could go as gazillion different places
with you, but there's one piece that was so beautiful

(48:00):
and I think it's so important for us to understand
and we we've been kind of touching upon it, but
you have said that in your one of your books
that worshiping ourselves is the key to freedom, and I
was that was such a beautiful I was like, oh wow,
it's so interesting what comes up in me even saying that,
because it almost feels I feel guilt and shame and
it's like worshiping myself. And I had loved being triggered

(48:24):
by it because I also knew that is the thing, like,
that's the thing we've been taught not to do, and
it's been so external And when you said that, it
just caught my ear because I think I want people
to hear that, because it's true, we missed the connection
with how beautiful we are. And you said it earlier
to like, I'm bigger than the thing that I think

(48:45):
I need, Like I'm I'm bigger than the agency. I'm
bigger than I'm bigger than I'm bigger than my voice,
which is a big thing to say for me. Well,
your voice came from you, right, this is Yeah, this
is what I wanted you to talk about, which like
every dollar you've ever made came from you, every person
you've brought into your life, came from you being worthy

(49:06):
to receive them, every every everything is this moment? Now?
An analogy in my my book I think I have
in the Illusion of Money book is I want you
to imagine you and I and we're going for a
walk in the woods, and let's say around a corner
and I find a giant waterfall and you don't know
about it, And wouldn't it be weird if I grabbed

(49:27):
a cup and filled it with water, came running back
to you and said, do you leanne look a cup
of water? Like, I don't point out where it came from.
I'm just like, all you see is this limited amount
of water in a glass. Right, So your question, if
you just see a limited amount, is do we have
enough water for for next month's rent? Do we have

(49:50):
enough water for I'm I see a lack amount. But
if I showed you the waterfall, you just see the
abundant source of where the water came from, and you'd
be like, we could donate the water, we could we
could do whatever. Because you're the source of every creative
idea you've ever had. You're the source of every song
you've written, or the source of every problem you felt

(50:11):
through You're the source of this space now is the
source of everything. And when I say worship yourself, I
don't mean the ego self. I mean we merge into
this space just by listening to it, and then we
start to connect to the all that isness that created you,
that created every idea, that created every possibility for you.

(50:32):
And as we listen to it, we start to actually
merge into that and instead of worshiping the thing that
comes from this space, which is crazy, like it's like
I gotta get money. All right, friends, we are going
to take one last quick break, but we'll be read
back with Kyle and his abundance of insight. Welcome back everyone.

(51:00):
Kyle was just walking us through the illusion of money.
When it comes to self worth, You're every dollar you've
ever made, Like I gotta that song that that I wrote,
or that joke was that was my that was a hit, right,
So get excited about the space that it came from.
Not it'd be like an apple tree making an apple

(51:22):
and then freaking out about the one apple and being
like everyone, look an apple and that won't make anymore
because it's worshiping that apple and you're like, yeah, dude,
you're a whole tree. Like that's what you do. And
every time you get excited about one idea or money
or a person, you cut off the creative, magical essence
of yourself, right and so yeah, and and it, by

(51:45):
the way, if an apple tree stopped making apples, wouldn't
you think if it's essences, I'm here to make apples.
If it's stopped making apples, wouldn't it have to get sick?
Wouldn't have to like have an addiction, Like there's apple
tree now Netflix, and like there's like it would have
to because it's here to give its gift and if
it's not giving its gift, then it would have to

(52:08):
like it would have to get off. The universe is
so amazing. It will make things sick that aren't in
the giving of their gift, right, And it's like I
I have a plan here, right, and our job is
to give what we're here to give. But don't hear that,
Like it's a burden. Like a lot of people hear that,
and like, don't die with your music left in you.
And then I get a lot of people who are

(52:29):
like I wasted my life And I don't mean that.
I mean, just listen to the space and it will
tell you first we got to purge this old stuff.
So maybe don't give anything for a minute and cry,
you know, give what I'm saying, Like, I know that
we're all fighting in this time for freedom of speech,
and of course I'm a fan of that, but even higher,
I'm about freedom to hear. And maybe we don't need
to be a bunch of egos screaming to other political

(52:51):
sides right now and need to hear a higher frequency,
like God's really working to get into this planet right now,
and the la our old ego itself is being purged
and and we're letting go of our control and people
that control are falling apart, and right we're just getting here, right,
So I love that freedom to hear. That's like, yeah,

(53:15):
that's so powerful, so powerful. Freedom of speech was a
conscious shift forward, right, like we were all muzzled and
we need to be able to talk about how we
feel and what's going on in freedom of speech was
a big thing. We still need freedom of speech, but
right now we're just a ton of egos screaming at
each other. We're all in the streets hating each other.

(53:37):
So maybe instead of us trying to get the thing
that worked in the forties, You know, why don't we
get something new and and have freedom to hear, freedom
to expand, and like if we go with I don't
mean go with like comply, but if we just go Okay,
I'm going into the store, I'm wearing a mask. What
if this is like breaking us off from our egos

(53:59):
to each other for a second, and are our stuck
connection and maybe I'm maybe I'm something. Every silent retreat
you go to you can't talk. What if we all
don't talk for a couple of years and are in
our houses with masks on, Like, well, can you imagine,
like what will start to read? Like you know, you'll
start to read energy, You'll start to look and experience

(54:20):
people and other in a completely different way if we're
not vomiting on general time basically because that old dimension
of the physical reality is not what we need to
hear or say anymore. It's old news. There's a there's
new news trying to come into your life right now,
and we listen to it in a new way. Like

(54:42):
when I listen to silence for two hours, I have
so many insights and I feel so here, and I
have powers When I listen to that, I have like
and I think of all the stress I avoided that day,
Like how many anxiety attacks are stressful things did I
not have because I merged with the now? How much?

(55:02):
How much love that wasn't love? Did I not chase aimlessly?
How many of the wrong friends did I release? How
many of whatever? And then I'm just here merging with
source and meeting the trees. Yeah. Yeah, that's trying to
happen for me and you and anyone listening and anyone

(55:22):
listening to this, if you're interested in this call, be
excited because you're on that like this new wave of
people that are going into that higher frequency, that the
only way to survive this is by being connected to Source. Now,
M yes, yeah, I've been talking about being connected with

(55:43):
my body and all of those things. Yesterday I was
like what am I? Because I do meditate, usually a
daily practice, but for some reason of the past like month,
month and a half, it's been like off and on,
and I was asking myself yesterday It's like, what have
I done today? I've connected with my emotions and my
physical body. It's like what am I doing? Like what

(56:03):
is that spirit? How am I connecting with that piece
of me, and I do believe we're in a time
where we can't overlook that, and that needs to be.
Like you're saying, I think the foundational piece before anything,
you move from a different space when you know that
you're connected to source. And it's so easy to wake
up in the morning and forget we do. It's it's

(56:25):
the illusion, the greatest illusion of forgetfulness. And unless we're
actively actively waking up and putting ourselves in that space
and connection, it's so easy to be pulled out from
a zillion different directions. And so thank you for reminding
me of that. Well. And here's the craziest thing for
everyone that's worried in this time about things that are
happening with the government, with the world, whatever. As you

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purge your old story of control, the story that had
to control everything to keep for you, the story of
lean Rhymes, the famous singer Loved and Seen and everything
like that, is that's urged. The elements that try to
control from the outside can't touch you, like anyone that
would try to harm you, have bad intentions or whatever.

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They can only control the unseen control that's in your body. Right,
So as you purge this. You're actually ascending to a
frequency where you're not touchable right and the world, I
believe mirrors that. So as you move this, you're gonna
notice an exactly the same day you cry out some

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giant story in your body, you'll notice like a ton
of darkness will come to light in the public on
the same day. What I'm saying, yeah, absolutely, everything that's
buried inside of you is also buried in the world,
and it's all coming to light. And the one thing
darkness needs to heal it is just seeing it. The
light is going to end all of the control going

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on in the world, all of the repression, all of
the you know, fear is dissolving, and it's loud right
now because it's falling off, it's drowning, and it's and
it's exciting because it's it's an exciting time. Even though
we're all experiencing it as pain, which it is painful,
there is a piece of all of us, I think,
if we're willing to open up to it that's excited.

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It's excited to let go of the heaviness, like you
keep saying, it's excited to lighten up. Yeah, it is.
And and we're you're right. And by the way, it's
exponentially happening, and there's more way past a point of
no return. And every ounce, every ounce of fear and
shame that's coming up in your body has been lodged
in your body secretly until now, So it's not like

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it's just showing up out of nowhere. It's like you
were able to maneuver around it up until right and like,
we does this make sense? Like we're able to Yeah,
it's fine. I feel this pain, but I can just
date this person. I feel this pain, but as long
as I have a kid, I feel this pain. Now
it's like no distractions work or they're way too fast.

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Like it's like, oh, I got a relationship, I broke up.
You notice how many relationships. Yes, everything is just so
fleeting because we're actually losing those attachments to find real love,
the real love of the now, and then maybe you
date someone at a full place, but there's no more
attachment anymore. Yeah, yeah, yeah, I get it. I love it. Oh.

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I could go on for hours with you, but thank you,
thank you so much for coming on here. And I
do want to talk to you about music because I
always asked my guests about their holy five songs, which
could be something like like songs that you've loved your
whole life. It could be something you're into now. So
I would love to hear your music choices because I know,
I know you love music. My favorite my favorite five

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songs and how yeah favorite five songs. Well, I still
remember where I was when I first heard Good Vibrations
when I was three. I think the Beach Boys good
vibe and not the market Mark one, the Beach Boys
fishing good vibration like that. There was three when it
came out. Good Vibrations I think is something that affects

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my body. I think that the chords and the you know,
it took months to write it and he had a
calling that was God coming through Musically, I feel like
it was so amazing. I really am into the song
Pretty Maids All in a Row by the Eagles. It's
been a lot slag so oh yeah. Um. I had

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one of the biggest cries of my life watching the
Eagles documentary and seeing that there's something about this is weird.
But I really love sad. I love help. No, that's
not that's not weird. I had a did a whole
conversation about that recently, about how I'm drawn to sad
music and it's there's something, really, I don't know, there's
something comforting about that. More depressing the better. Like it's

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like Brian Wilson had some really depressing songs and I'm like,
these are amazing. I have to tell you. And this
is not a kissing up thing. There's a version I
saw of you doing how do I Live? That's live
when you where there's a guy playing piano behind you,
and when you went to this other harmony instead of

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going how do I Live? Without you went you went
to like a fifth from it? Yeah, what about you?
Something like that? Yeah, I thought that. I thought that
shift was so profound and just showed a much more
about your ear and and how you hear harmonies, and
I just I loved it so much living what thanks? Yeah,

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after we started talking, I was like, I want to
watch her do a couple of things. I saw your
life when I thought everyone should see that. It's so beautiful.
Thank you. It's funny because that's I'm talking about a
new frequency. It's interesting to have performed some of my
songs for you know, twenty five years now. Basically and
it's I'm such a different person I was as a kid,

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and it's like, how would I how would the me
now you know, if if I just got these songs, like,
how would I perform these songs? And so that's what
you're hearing when you hear that. Well, you know what's
weird is I think that's the the even you more
God more here bringing you know, not not within the
boundaries of what you have to do for the record

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or whatever, like you're you are freer and this is
like bringing in new dimensions of you and that the
fear is if I'm scared to let go of the
story of Leanne rhymes, well then you let go o
her and now it's the story of God coming through you.
And so we're hearing, we're hearing whole new harmonies that
probably the record industry will be like, this isn't safe enough,
this isn't controllable enough or whatever. It's like it's so

(01:03:37):
good and that you let's trade at all for that?
You right? Um? I also I think to other artists
that probably went through are going through similar shifts. I
think are India Arie and Um Sarah bare ellis h.
I think that I hear. I hear artists that I
can feel what feel like, have conscious shifts and then

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there's a more spiritual point to their song. And I
think then the songs are even more profound, and you'll
notice they're less on the radio. India Arie has an
album called Song Versation and there's a song on it
called break the Shell and I Am Light and Flowers
and lie, I Am, I Am, I Am, I Am.

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That's so beautiful. Yeah, she's fantastic. I actually did a
concert with her few years ago and she was just
a beautiful, beautiful soul. And it's yeah, it's nice to
be around. It's nice to be around artists that are
having those breakthrough moments. UM. I don't know Sarah burrellis UM,
but I am a fan of her work. And yeah,
it's it's wonderful when musicians start to bring that through

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UM because we're you know, we're living in a we're
living in a time where that's I don't I don't
think I know for myself, Like I can't turn away
from it, like you're saying, like it's you, we're on
that path of UM. Like I know the new album
that I've been working on, like it all came through me,
and it's like I have no I can't deny. I

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can't deny this. This is not what I had planned,
But I can't deny that this is the message that
I have to I have to bring through through the world.
So yeah, for sure, have you heard Tightrope or if
I dare their their their songs for different movies. But
Sarah bare ellis Tightrope is so gorgeous. He promised to
let go you're walking type boo, can't see the walking. Yeah,

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you know, it's so funny because I'm so much of
a bigger fan of like India are on the other
side of that shift. And even if she had to
sacrifice being radio friendly like that's because the radio friendly
world is going to die and the real art is
about too. This is like the Renaissance. You're going to
have the greatest art explode out of this. I hope

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you're so right about that. Actually got chills as you
said that. I mean, I know, I don't hope I
think you are right about that because I think as
artists like you know, we're all being moved from such
a deeper place right now, and clearly you have been
as an artist, you know, to to make the shift
in your life. And I I just I'm so I'm
so happy you're in my world because I I really

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do feel like I'm I'm making this the same shifts
and I don't know what that's going to look like
in the future for me, but I do know that
there is something deeper that has been calling me. And
to imagine that there's some there's a bigger dream than
the dream I've already dreamt is crazy to me. But
I know that it's there. I can promise you. I

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know it's so much bigger. Like we would rather be
God coming through your body than the famous story of
Leanne rhymes like now and what that was served such
a purpose to write, like was perfect and the highest
you knew with everything you did, and it was amazing
and was exactly right. So we don't go any so

(01:07:31):
for everyone listening that go by this earlier. Yeah, it
was magic you and and the only way we can
grow is by really, how good does this get? How
much more amazing? You know? Michael beck With asked the
question that I love so much, which is what's trying
to emerge out of me? Like what like you know,
a caterpillar is eventually a butterfly. What's trying to emerge

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out of it. There's a you that we've never got
to be yet that's starting to form that is completely
fine in our own element in the now, no matter
what level of fame, what level of seeing, what level
of success, what level of whatever. And then from a
full place we create versus a lack place, right Like,
I create because I want to express what's coming through

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this second versus you know what will sell And ironically,
I promise you are true art if we own it
and are not ashamed of it and don't have this
one foot in the old world, will sell bigger eventually
because the world's gonna match you. Yeah. Right. So if

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you told me when I left stand up, like, hey,
you're gonna go be a transformational speaker, I would be like, well,
I have this huge career and it's I it's like
it's gonna be way bigger. Actually be like, how like
that doesn't I don't see that. It's like because eventually
what's coming through you will be the truth on the
whole planet. M Oh, I love that. I love that

(01:08:58):
vision and I know that you're you're right about that.
I can feel it, and so thank you for sharing.
Thank you for sharing all of your wisdom and um,
thank you for taking the leap in your own life
so that we all can be inspired by it to
do it ourselves. I'm so happy to be with you.
I'm so happy or my neighbor. I can wait tould

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be my neighbor. Ah, thank you, my friend, and that
my loves brings us to the end of this episode
of Holy Human. I hope that you found Kyle as
captivating as I did. Please let me know your thoughts
in the comments wherever you're listening, and share this with
anyone who could use a little more self acceptance in

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their lives. On the next Holy Human, the final of
the season, I am going to be talking about the
duality of life and everything in between and my own
personal experiences that I've been having through the exploration of
my voice. It has been quite the ride and truly fascinating.

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And I'm going to be sharing with you a dear
friend of mine who I've been actually working with um
on expanding my voice my life. UM. Yeah, it's been
it's been quite the ride and still is and I'm
excited to share it with you all. So you won't
want to miss it the finale of the season, make

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sure you tune in until then. I love you and
love each other, ye Holy human with Me. Leanne Rhymes
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