S3E1 Reversals of Fortune with Chris Riggi

Jessica and Zuzanna go deep with actor Chris Riggi, who plays Scott Rosson, AKA the long lost love child of Rufus and Lily. He discusses his top-secret audition for the part of “Mr. X”, working with Matthew Settle, and his on-screen romance with Vanessa.

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Speaker 1 (00:00):
Hi, I'm Chris Riggy. I played Scott on Gossip Girl
and we're we watching Versus a Fortune. Welcome back, listeners
to your one and only source into all things gossip Crul.

(00:23):
You know you'll love it. XO x oh. Hello again,
I'm Jessica's or and this is XO XO. It feels
like we're starting a new chapter today because we are
at the season three premiere Reversals of Fortune and you
probably remember that in the season too finale we met
a mysterious new character at Amy you named Scott. Well,

(00:46):
today that talented actor who played him, Chris Riggy, is
here with us, and I'm so stoked for this because
we worked together very closely. Spoiler alert, Vanessa and Scott
have a romance this season. Plus this whole Lily and Rue,
this love child storyline is one of my favorite plot
twists in the whole show. So let's just get right
into it. Chris Riggy. Everyone, Hello, Hi, how are you? Um?

(01:27):
I don't know if you guys have ever met I have, no,
I don't I don't think so. I feel like Groda
never crossed paths with with Skott. Probably maybe we passed
each other at crafty. Probably we've we've probably did. Yeah,
I don't know. It's friends so long. But Anywaysna, and

(01:49):
good to see you. It's been some time, it's been.
And where are you? Where are you right now? In
Los Angeles, l A, Arizona and York. We've got all
different weathers, all different houses, grosast, rainy, humid day in
New York. And I see your l a sunshine peeking through.

(02:09):
That's always I've got the blinds down. It's very right here. Well,
I'm so we're so happy that you could be here.
I am so looking forward to going back and watching
our storyline season three, because most of this season, if
I did see any of it, was in a d R.

(02:30):
So I'm very excited to just see what's to come.
But let's introduce you, not just as Uzanna, but to
everyone here. Um, this is Chris Riggy and he played Scott,
the love child of Lily and Rufus, which I guess
makes you Dan's half brother and Serena's and Jenny and Eric, right,

(02:51):
it's half of every Yeah, okay, and then does that
make you sort of Chuck stepbrother? I think so. It
was very hard to keep that, keep that straight that
I'm not sure. I'll just agree with you. They just
say everyone was just related on that everyone who ever
went through the Vanderwoods An apartment was somehow related. Yeah,

(03:16):
there's some kind of connection there. Okay, So you come
in in the season finale of season two because I
know that this was obviously a character that was like
talked about, and there was so many little breadcrumbs and
really even goes further back if you think about it,
because of the relationship with Lily and Rufus, even though
maybe we didn't know, and then when that huge surprise

(03:37):
came that there's a potential child out there, when did
we learn that? We learned that pretty early in season two.
Write that that's when, But then we go through the
whole thing where we we think he passed away because
your parents say that. I mean, so there's like a
very loaded not just character storyline, but just who you're

(03:59):
related to the past of Lily and Rufus, and it's
a really loaded, heavy important character. Do you remember your
casting story or situation highly anticipated love child? Yes, highly
anticipated love child perfectly said, I'm glad no one said

(04:22):
that to me before before. Yeah, we're searching high and
low So I had just signed with a new agent
in New York and this was like the first audition
that they sent me out on. I haven't hadn't done
a lot at all, had done like two tiny roles
that went into Sun Dance, and that's how I got

(04:42):
my agent. And then this character X came in. That's
what it was called Mr X. See I think you
buy season to there're already leaks, like leaks of the
scripts though I'm sure they were being here. Yeah, And
it was like my agent said, I'm not we don't
know how many episodes you're gonna be in. It's probably
just like maybe maybe one, maybe it lead to three

(05:02):
and reoccurring. I didn't know what reoccurring then back then,
and I went in and I believe the first round
was because they didn't have the sides. I think it
was a I think I did a scene from season
one with Dan and I don't really who who was
talking to, but um, we just I just was doing Dan.
I was doing Dan and then they were like, all right,
what now you need to I think I did it

(05:25):
once without watching this episode, like all right, now you
need to watch this. Um. I went in five or
six times over the course of like I mean, which
is crazy five or six times for reoccurring Usually it's
one or two. Well you must have got you must
have gotten the hint then that it was like a
big part. Yeah, an important plus. Yeah, the fifth or

(05:46):
six audition, I think they were just like, hi, crass
are I don't know what more they want for me,
but let's just try with these notes and then and
then yeah. Yeah. When you're going in at that point,
it's difficult because you literally are like do I do
the exact same thing or are they looking for something different?
Obviously you're doing something they like. But that's what I
was trying to say, Like, this was a very important role,

(06:08):
and I think not just look wise, that you have
to have some sort of you know, vibe of you know,
the parents, you know what I mean. Like, No, I
was luckily, like I could see it even. I mean
now I'm like, oh, yeah, I look like Rufus a
little better. And I think it was pure luck that
I was born the way I look. I look like
him a little bit. So they're like you, that's it.

(06:30):
And I don't think I did anything special, I really don't.
I mean, I think it was a look thing, and
I was confident in Cocky back then for some reason.
So well, but you know what, having watched the episode
last night, though, it's like that, you know, the thing
that you do so beautifully in the in the episode
is like you have to be dropped in and totally
chill in this world, knowing that you're hiding this huge

(06:50):
secret in this alternate reality. And so I feel like
that vibe is what you must have nailed. I'll tell
you how I got there. So the dropped in really
chill vibe is me being absolutely scared out of my
for my life, probably like just so nervous, not knowing
any I had no idea what I was doing. I
was probably just I mean I was. I think I
overprepared those every scene. I was into the point where WHOA,

(07:13):
I was just like, I don't know. I think looking back,
I probably would have injected a little more levity into
our scenes and stuff like that. But the role, as
you said, was heavy. There's so many secrets and you're
almost lying every time you're talking, which is not the
easiest thing to what to do, right um, because I
try to tell the truth. Was acting. I mean, I
think we all do. But it was literally you're literally

(07:35):
keeping secrets every time you're talking, and everyone's used to
on that show. Yeah, and especially Scott because he's coming
in and probably you've probably done research. You've probably looked
up things about your your siblings that you haven't met,
so you actually probably knew more than more than anyone thinks,

(07:55):
you know what I mean. Yeah, that's the thing, and
it was. It was. There's a great moment where you
get almost caught out, like in this um and when
you guys go to the polo match, I mean jumping
into the story, but when you recognize Dan and you
say to Vanessa, oh, there he is, and she's like, well,
you have a great memory because how did that one
time a year ago? So it's like it's funny because

(08:15):
it's so low and it's exciting for us to watch,
you know, because we know what you're hiding and you
have all these balls in the air, so it's really cool. Yeah,
it's fun to watch, It really is. And that has
to be for Scott a super nerve wrecking situation, Like
you have all these things, you know, these you're not
trying to lie, You're just trying to really kind of
get to know your truth a little bit so in
a sense of like to play that it's just so

(08:38):
loaded and so many things. I have so many questions,
but oh ask them all. I think it was really
I mean, I honestly like when I thinking about it,
like it was such an epic show, Like everyone was
so kind of flushed out at that point, and I
was like the new recurring character that no one really know,
people knew about. There was a weight to it, but
there was also like a new kid like vibe where

(08:58):
I was like, I'm like, oh, man, step on too
many toes, don't say the wrong thing, Come do your
scenes and leave immediately. Just stay at everybody's way, because
these characters are so big they still are like these
relationships are so beautiful and so heavy and romantic and
dramatic that I was just I don't know. I think
it might have helped to be as kind of like

(09:19):
scared of it as I was actually when I was
doing it, especially the polo scene for sure, because it
was this is not I'm like, I'm not used to
being on a huge set with horses and horses and
Sebastian stands there and then yeah, my god, Penn Badgeley
is a normal dude. Everyone's so super chill. Everyone was
so super chill. That's crazy. I was spoiled. I was spoiled, spoiled,

(09:42):
ruined every job after this for me, Chris. The real
burning question is, of course, was Jessica's are nice to you?
You've always been. The only hard time would be when
they put well, a gentleman right if you're walking down

(10:02):
the street, always puts himself between the woman and the
trash traffic. But but Jessica had Warren. I think four
inch heels and I'm not that guy. There was an
incline on that. I was like, can give me some
boots or something? And I was like kissing. I had
my sister come to set that day, and she was
super proud of it. Was a really wonderful. I felt
like I remember that New York when you found out

(10:28):
you got it. You didn't know either if it was
going to be two episodes or how long, no idea,
You just knew it was reccurring. Yeah, I don't think
I did. I think it was more of just one episode.
They see see how you do, and um I was
going off of nothing but just have a good time.
I remember that was just that one scene in the
coffee shop, I had to introduce myself to Dan and

(10:50):
and pretend I was pretend I knew who you were.
And I thought that was lovely. I thought it was
a very cute moment between all of us. And And
and I really actually that version of the character where
he was kind of fun and jokey, and then and
then it became character who became like so serious, and
that was probably my fault as a young actor. I
think it was very heavy, but I was very aware

(11:12):
of that. But I think the first episode I was
in was felt really good. I don't know, everyone was
so sweet. Yeah, it was also exciting because the emotions
and the like surprise of you seeing Dan for the
first time. That's like a big moment for someone, like,
think about that. I'm thinking about my I'm the oldest
of five kids, youngest of four. Yeah, okay, And if

(11:33):
you didn't know a thing about not knowing one until
you're twenty years old, nineteen and you go and see
them for the first time, but you can't say it.
You probably have practice and went over in the mirror
in your mind what you would say to your sibling
for the first time. And now you have to actually
do the opposite act like you don't know them. Like
you did a really beautiful, wonderful job of that thing.

(11:53):
That was awesome, serious the best. Yeah. Yeah, that seems
like they're so many themes in this in this show
about you know, kind of these characters finding who they
are and this kind of precipice of like moving from
high school to college. So the idea that this guy
is looking for, you know, that mirror to see like
who he actually is, and then he can see this
like half brother in this family and find that missing

(12:16):
vice and we do. We see all of that right away,
and it's like, as the audience recluding, because we see
that birth certificate, we kind of know who you are.
But then we watched the other thing that was really
funny insert the birth certificate thing. I I rolled my eyes.
I wrote my eyes only only because the practice, the
technical side of it. It was written the shot. You

(12:36):
can only really show it that way. I mean, but
I remember I'll be feeling like it's really awkward that
I have this birth certificate in my hand with her
on the phone. I just do what I'm told. I
was just grateful for the job, and I would literally
do anything that they told me to do. So I
kind of just was like this is this was It
was a heavy moment, but um, again this is just

(12:59):
a really young, naive actor trying to figure it out.
I didn't I think that scene with meeting Dan for
the first time was literally like you're just the guy
at a cafe. I mean, I don't think I even thought.
I might have been so method and been like, okay,
it's really my brother. I probably didn't do that. I
probably just like Badgley Christ. So that was so. Obviously

(13:22):
you were a young actor than you know, sort of
sort of starting your journey. And then now you I know,
you're in l A today. So have you worked more
on TV in New York or California? How's your journey
taken you since honestly this is thirty seven. Now, I
was very young when I did as a girl, but
for me, I felt like a young person then. I

(13:43):
mean twenty three, I don't remember how old I was. Um,
and it was my first thing. So I'm married now,
I live with my wife, and I'll just say the
valley and life has never been better. But it's it's
so different back then. Yeah, in New York. It's this beast,
it's this beautiful. I love the Big Apple, I love

(14:04):
New York City. But my life is vastly different now
than it was done. I found the most amazing person
in the world to be my wife. I mean, she's
my best friend in the world. Yeah, why am I
getting to Oh that's my life's filming. She's also an actress.

(14:25):
She's going to kill me now. She loves that stuff. No,
and she's beautiful photo she's Yeah, I got I got
really lucky. We got married in June tenth of this year. Yeah, congratulations. Oh,
so you're like kind of new. I don't know. I mean,
I don't know how. I don't know how deep we
can get. I know we want to talk specifically about
Gossip Girl and stuff, so I don't want to go
too deep. But how deep we go? Deep deep? I mean,

(14:50):
if you want to, because I don't know, Well, I
can only say that I don't think I really fully
realized the importance of a real life until I met Stephanie,
until until she became my my girlfriend. I will say that,
like this relationship was inferred so much about this career
and and this life. I mean, it has uh I

(15:11):
don't know. I don't think I've ever been a better actor.
I don't think I've better been a better human being,
which is really good that I did. I think gossip
Girl at that time, because I don't think I felt
very lost back then. I think it's very confused, very young,
and just going on instinct and figuring it out as
a young twenty year old actor would. But um, in
January of this of this year, my father was was

(15:31):
diagnosed with stage four cancer and I hadn't Stephanie, I
hadn't gotten married yet, so we you know, I was
home for eight months taking care of him, and about
a month into it, I was just like, Dad, would
you be okay with Stephanie I getting married in the backyard. Yeah,
it's a I didn't really know my dad, which we
can talk about about the show that we were not close.

(15:53):
I think it's a very uh, let's say think it's
a common thing. Actually. Um. He did unfortunately pass in August.
Started to bring this down to really real level. Um,
but that's the difference you want. And honestly, sometimes if
you feel that to do that, it's like someone needs
to hear that. Maybe someone's going through that and also
just for for me. I'm like, I want to hear

(16:14):
that and I want to know that you're good and
better than before, which I can give you a big
hug right now because this is these are a lot.
I'm sorry your dad passing. It was it was a
wonderful um spent spent very very few I didn't have
that closer relation for them at all, and then got
the call and flew home and spent eight months just
repairing whatever I could prepare. And then it was, you know,

(16:38):
he was very proud of gossip Girl. He always called
a gossip girls or Gilmore girls. We call guil That's yeah, definitely, yeah,
that's great. Guess you got to see achieve so much
on screen and in your career, and you got married
in his yard. In the backyard. You have to find
the love of your life into you know. And then

(16:59):
it's so rare that you speak to someone and they say,
I'm I found this thing that makes me so happy
and has changed me so much. It's such a rare
kind of pure moment of you know, the beautiful part
of what it is to be a human. And oh
that's beautiful, that's so beautiful. I have therapy at two
thirty and I wasted all of this on that. So

(17:20):
but you know, acting is like the study of humanity
in a way. So it's like this idea that we
have to live in order to bring it to our marks.
So it's like we when we look back at ourselves
this many years ago on a TV show, inevitably it
brings up these feelings of like how we've changed over time,
or how we've deepened our work. And you know, yeah,
so it's like watching yourself on screen last night or

(17:42):
whenever you watched the episode is brings us is he
sounds so new? It's funny to my dad, it's such
a new work. Act My Stephanie does a great impression.
I'm like, we don't, we don't. And it slipped into
these episodes and I was like, I don't, why am
I talking like I had an accident apparently and when
I was acting in New York. Um, But but yes,
watching the episodes and I go, who is this boy?

(18:03):
Oh my goodness, he has no idea what he's doing,
and he's scared and just wants to be liked and accepted.
And that's who's got is I think? Yeah? Maybe? Right?
All in all, our life experiences and what we go
through shape who we are in the end. But I
do think being an actor or an artist, especially when
you're when we were that age doing the show where

(18:25):
you're very worried about getting the next job and making
sure the auditions right. And I remember having a conversation
with a friend years back and they were like, acting
is not your life, and I'm like, you're right, it's not.
So I think it's beautiful that you went through that,
finding it with your person and understanding that, and then
you let it bleed into your art. And that's something

(18:46):
I think is very important, because I think some people
are very they're so desperate to get the job instead
of just like you know, enjoying the work and living life.
I have been guilty of that numerous times. It still happens. Yeah, Yeah.
I just think when you said you met the person
and you you really realize what life was about made
you happy. I think that that's a beautiful thing because

(19:07):
life is short. We aren't guaranteed tomorrow, and us as actors,
it's were very blessed to be able to do that.
I mean, it's it's a really beautiful career. When you're
working for sure, and it can be beautiful even if
you're not. I think it was Mark Ruffalo, the actor
Mark Ruffalo. One time I saw him talking about acting,
and he talked about how there's like dips and valleys,

(19:29):
you know, peaks and valleys, and as an actor, and
that if you don't live through the valleys, like the
valleys are where all the good stuff is, and you
kind of grab it up and then when you're in
those peaks and you get to work, then you actually
have stories to tell as an actor. So it's like,
you know, we have so like living is actually the
only kind of exercise that we can do as actors.
That's how we collect our materials, you know. So it's

(19:50):
like it's that work life balances. Like it's like you
always have to find those ways to talk to yourself
to help balance yourself out, you know, to find joy
and you and to live through the hard stuff. Well, yeah,
there's really no greater like if you're good or whatever
and you love it and you really want to keep
doing it, there's really no greater lesson than like real

(20:12):
life stuff happening. Then he realized how unimportant your your
preciousness over it is, you know, because it really, I mean,
like honestly like to talk about more dark stuff like
my my baby, my love, my life, my dog. Theo
who was my ride or die. He got attacked by
an awfully dog and he was my boy and he's fine.

(20:33):
He's with his brother and sister in the next room.
But when that happened, I was like, nothing matters except
for like, nothing matters at all. Like so any actor
who thinks that this is I am there all the time,
but like it's there's so many more important things than
than a callback and being on although money, money's money
is very useful. Yeah, anyway, I'm done. I'm done talking

(21:09):
about drama. Sorry, let's talk about talking about drama because
now we have to talk about the world of gossip
or the drama. About this episode, Yeah, you're only on
five episodes, Chris Jesus, come on, really vital ones. Yeah,
and in fact, this one is the this one is

(21:30):
the season premier. What do you call the first episode?
I'm getting all that stuff in my head. Now have
we ever done to you know, it's the first episode
of season three. So it's like college life post summer, right,
So it's like Vanessa went on her European tour and
then came back and developed this relationship with this guy

(21:51):
Scott that well hint of you have Serena who went
on her world tour and did all kinds of crazy
stuff and got paparazzi all over the place, and then
you have Laren Chucko have been developing a relationship. Yes,
and there's a mystery person in the photos all over
the tabloids with Serena, but we don't know who that is,
and Rufus points it out. But before we go, this

(22:12):
is Reversals of Fortune, which is based on the nineteen
nineties film Reversal of Fortune, Um. And there was one
fun fact I wanted to say before we get into it.
Kelly Russelford was absent from this and the following two
episodes from Eternity leave Um and it kind of explains
that Lily is visiting CC in California. So I remember,
I'm like, wait, it's so weird not to see the

(22:33):
last time we talked with Norman and he was telling
us about how she was so heavily pregnant when they
were shooting the finale of season two that they had
to like shoot all around, you know, and give her
all these grocery bags and stuff. So now she had
her baby, she's gone. And then the storyline basically makes
Rufus the dad of everybody because he's like in charge
all of a sudden, Eric and Jenny and uh Dan

(22:56):
and Serena. So like when she comes home from Europe,
she has to face him like she was this new
like father figure, which is kind of funny because the
whole storyline is that she's out in Europe seeking her
actual dad. Who so there's a lot of father storylines. Um, okay,
so should we jump into it. We kind of just
went through where we left off. They were like fresh
new world. Chuck returns from Europe, Carter tells Serena that

(23:19):
he knows where her father is. Georgina calls Dan to
announce her return to n y U. Scott was introduced,
and then let's yeah, let's get into this episode, Chris.
Here we are in the in the New world of college,
except for it's the end of summer, so we're not
in class yet. It's like that weird moment um. So
here's the episode logline. So, as the summer draws to

(23:41):
a close, Blair and Chucker adjusting to their new relationship
and they're breaking all traditional rules of dating as expected.
And meanwhile, Serena returns from her European adventure with many
secrets to hide. Nate comes back from his travels with
a mysterious brunette re Buckley in Toe and with Lily
away in California visiting her mother. Rufus, Dan, and Jenny

(24:02):
spend the summer in the Hampton's, adjusting to the vander
woodsonce glamorous lifestyle, surprisingly faster than any of them expected. Also,
Vanessa introduces her new friends Scott to Dan and Rufus. Yeah,
I think you know. Early in the episode, we seem
Vanessa and Scott have developed this friendship that she kind
of tells Dan about. She's like, remember that guy we met?

(24:24):
So it's like they've been hanging I guess at the
coffee shop. That's the implication, right, that they've just been
like n y u ing around. Yes, yeah, but she
doesn't know anything about his secret life, right yeah, yes,
no idea that this is Vanessa's best friend to half brother,
Like I don't even know if well, Vanessa at this
point must know that there is a love child, but

(24:44):
obviously doesn't know that it's Scott. But were you saying
that you go to n y U. I just transferred.
I just transferred from be you transferred. I'm just reciting
my lines Scott right, No, I couldn't remember what it was.
But this is not We don't really know if that's

(25:04):
the truth, completely not true at all. And who is
it that you keep calling on the phone. That's your mom. Yeah,
so it's like all as an audience we get we
start to know who you are really because of your
side phone calls to your mom pretty much. Yeah, yeah,
well we have that going on with Yeah, and then

(25:26):
we have Chuck and Blair, which so many people get
super excited about these two. So I think people are
pumped at this. It starts off with their playing this game.
But at the time when we're first seeing it, we
don't know that this is a game. So we actually
are like looking at it, like, is yes, he's cheating,
I'm going to cheat on Blair? What's he doing? Like,
what's jest? He's with a like an Abercrombie model right

(25:49):
in the in the beginning of the episode. Yeah, actually
she's a really am model and she's kind of playing herself.
But that's right, Ashley. So he's flirting with her. Yes,
he's flirting with there, he got all the things. And
then Blair turns the corner and she says something to
her like with your poor less skin like so like
her pores are perfect, like, oh, Blair. And then we

(26:10):
find out that this is just a game they're playing
that he does the flirting. She comes in and breaks
it up and gets to like, have these girls go?
You know, it's very odd their relationship was. So what
do you feel about them? Are they like the gossip girl?
It coupled to you? No? Absolutely, Well, I'll just say
I did audition for Chuck for the pilot years before, Yeah,

(26:32):
and I just loved it. Um, but you couldn't do
it because you look too much like Dan in Westwoode
and Westwook is so good in that role, and it's
so charismatic, but's so cool and so like that relationship.
Everyone's aware of that relationship. That's the like and don't
don't even try to compete with that. So it's also
what's interesting is that like I was very aware carrying

(26:54):
on a romantic relationship with you and the show that
that that we were going to no going nowhere, near
how good they were, like how much the fans loved them.
It was a very uh, it's pretty intimidating actually, But
when I rewatched Chuck and Blair scenes, I was just like,
these guys are electric together. They're so fantastic together anyway,
that's that's yeah, they really are. They were great. There's

(27:18):
this tug of war. They go back and forth. When
one wants to say I love you, the other doesn't.
So there's like this whole like Teeter Totter really feel
Blairs like insecurity with the game, and she's so sweet. Yeah,
it's very it's very sad to watch her kind of
like agreed is something that she's really not doesn't want
to share her her love of her life with and
she wants to make them happy and she wants to

(27:38):
keep him, but she was on a bare room and
it was very complicated and they're both kind of scared
to like put both feet in and do it. But
then at the same time, we open up the season
three and they're together and then they're like pretending to
almost cheat, like what and then with the hum freeze, Okay,
this is something I wanted to talk about. We cut

(27:58):
two and they're in the hand Din's and first of all,
Jenny sitting by the pool with her like long legs
and like her banks like switched to the side. I'm like, okay,
just look fierce and amazing. But then we see Dan
and Rufus walking through like a beautiful yard, like and
Dan has these like sick, amazing glasses. But I like

(28:19):
can't take it, like any of it seriously for a
moment because I'm like, this is so not which is
funny because that's Vanessa's take, yes, and I didn't remember
that Susan, like when she says something like about the
glasses and calls him out and I'm wearing the glasses
and doing this and doing that at the polo match.
I was like, oh my gosh, that's funny watching it.
It was one of the first time I'm like, what

(28:39):
is Dan exactly? What just thought? What is Dan doing
with the glasses? And can I borrow them and wear them?
At some point I definitely have I feel like the
whole the whole Humphrey family storyline here in this episode
is like being set up as like this new these
new vote reach, like how are is it changing them?
And so I feel like Vanessa as the Dan bestie

(29:00):
is the foil that we look to in this episode
to say, like to kind of take into task. And
she's like really noticing this and kind of like, you know,
questioning it and having a hard time with it. Um.
So it's and and those moments are funny, but it's
also this kind of sad when when she's at the
polo match later in the episode and it's a little
bit of an impasse because it's like she feels like
her friend is becoming somebody new. Right. He also lies

(29:22):
about taking the subway too, that's right, and it's in
the limo and that I feel like you see that
on Vanessa's face. You see that she's like kind of crushed,
Like if you're gonna live in that world and do
that world, then be yourself in that world. I believe
she has said at some point. I can't believe I
just remember that, but I I always kind of liked that,
and I feel like there's like a shift And obviously

(29:44):
they did it with wardrobe and stuff, but you can
really physically like see it and feel it with them.
Oh yeah, they definitely definitely like even Jenny's sitting by
the side of the pool right, And it's like they
keep commenting on it, like they like, they keep referencing
the fact that, like, you know, oh, the threat count
at Lily's is higher, and so it's like they're kind
of they have a sense of humor about it, but
it is starting to get in. So I feel like
they're almost all reactive because they're like they can feel

(30:06):
themselves getting a little too comfortable with it, and so
they keep checking themselves. And there's a great scene early
in the episode where I'm Jenny and Eric go back
to the loft to get some to get a shirt
or something, and they come in and she like opens
the door to the loft and she's like, oh, it
just looks so small, and you get the sense of like,
now they've been on the Upper east Side for all

(30:27):
summer and now they come back home and just looks
shabby and like, so to see that them kind of
dealing with that, and you know, it's an issue of
identity again. And like it's a fun storyline because I
feel like it really speaks to a lot of the
sort of you know, Upper east Side versus the rest
of reality essence of the Gossip Girls story. Yeah, it's

(30:48):
hard to watch them like the distance, like the limo
thing with van essence, it just felt a little bit
like heart string Pulley to me to see to Vanessa
watch them get into that limo, and it's like, how
much can you be yourself as you're changing and your
life is taking you in different places? I guess change
is hard. Such a good friend, she's such a she

(31:09):
was such a good friend to even like go I
thinkn't you have a line saying that you you said
you took three buses to get there in a boat
and to get to this place and where and then
Dan just and then just lets you down again there
kind of blows you off and saying that he's dealing
with Serena stuff. I have to can you stop judging me?
So it's this whole it's very complicated relationship, yeah, vanescent

(31:29):
in Yeah, because I feel like she she is a
very good friend to him, and I think Dan's a
good friend to her as well. But I'm finding that
Vanessa is not like she's always seems like there's an
undertone of like a little bit of sad in a way,
or just always very let down, even though she's I
feel like has this positive energy or definitely looks at

(31:53):
things in a in a reality and logical and rational
more so than I think a lot of the world
that she's in in this show. But it's always she's
in this world where it's a constant lie and people
constantly doing this. So I feel like she's let down
a lot, And so I do. There's just so many
times lately when I'm like, wow, every time you kind
of like close out on her, it's like she almost

(32:15):
looks sad, like she's gonna cry, And I'm like, I
don't know if that was something I needed to change
in me playing her, but if the words on the
page or every time someone's flying to her and you know,
but I just feel like she gets she's let down
a lot by um this world in which there's so
many just like lies and things. And then I do
feel like at some point she falls into it because

(32:38):
I get stopped a lot and they're like, why would
Vanessa do that to Dan? And I'm like, do not,
Like I feel like Vanessa is the one that we
like as an audience, like we relate to the most
in a way because we can kind of feel that story. Yeah,
So I think that that's what so beautifully done by you,
And then as in this episode, it's so nice as

(32:58):
we have a little bit of hope about her cow
she's like feeling about Scott and that kiss scene, Like,
is my question that to you guys, is Scott using her?
How much of his friendship or or the feelings that
he has with Vanessa do you think are legit? Well,
I think she finds she's there's like a vibe and

(33:18):
finds you interesting and definitely is like excited to explore
like this new guy in her life and things like that.
She has no idea who you are. I think if
if she had any inkling of knowing that you were
related to Dan or the hump Freezer or anything like that,
this would be no go for Vanessa. On your end,
you you know all of us and know all the things.

(33:40):
So I think I think you know a lot more
than even just that I'm his best friend, especially because
I feel like the way you will ask questions it's
because you're interesting, interested to know even more for your
selfish reason, not really to get to know what I'm saying.
Like that too, it was like all my lines are

(34:00):
prompting you to take action from my own benefit, like
saying something like, um, his whole family saying something like
why don't you just go to the polo match or something,
and then like even almost kind of not guilt to you,
but into a way like interjects himself and he basically listen.
I mean, not the not the most attractive character ever.

(34:23):
Also clothe the clothing he wore. But he was not
a very easily liked, very much not a liked character
in the series because he was just so odd and
he seemed like a serial killer at some point at
some point, and uh, it was hard. It was very weird.
I was like, I want to, like, you want to
wear sexy clothes and be like swab, but I'm like

(34:45):
playing like this hands and hands in my pockets kind
of like shuffly, like creep in a way, you know,
in a way well, you know for someone in Scott's
like shoes. That's a lot to carry your whole life.
When you realize or when you were told or when
you understood that you had biological parents that are still
alive and still out there, that have kids of their

(35:07):
own and have families, I mean, that has to be
very difficult to take on. There's so many questions, why
can't why can't I meet them? Or can I meet them?
Do I want to meet them? How is it going
to be? How is it going to make me feel?
How is it going to make my parents who adopted
me and took me on feel? You know? So, do
you have so many I would imagine you would have
going through something like that, have so many unanswered questions

(35:30):
and so being a little bit shy and not sure
who you're talking to and trying to get all this information.
And the way you played it, I feel like is
I think you just did a really great job because
there's just so much going on in your mind. I
think they wrote a really complicated, a complex character. For sure.
They wrote a pretty tragic storyline in a way that
was really complex. In this episode two, it's like the

(35:51):
pinnacle of this episode is this polo match that is
essentially the Nate's families, Nate's grandfather's somehow charity polo match.
Everybody ends up there and that's where Scott kind of
wants to be. And that's where Scott um goes as
the s state and has his first face to face
with his biological father with Rufus and they have a
really interesting conversation in which uh, Scott is kind of

(36:14):
showing his hand that he like he loves you know,
Ruvers music and he has all the albums and all
that sort of stuff, you know, and so that was
such an interesting scene. Do you remember filming that, working
with Matthew and those scenes and how you know what
that was like from the Scott in Matthew was so
is I haven't seen him for years, but so charming

(36:35):
and so so kind. I remember, I know we should
talk about the show, but I remember him remember like
a p a coming to my chairlier and being like,
Matthew settled, like you two come to Australia, and I
was like, what is this? I mean again, I don't
know what I don't even know what Honeywagon is at
this point, so like I don't know what this stuff is.
Um and I go, I go, and he's just like
wanted to just get to know me and get to

(36:56):
know me and talk to me. It's like this is
like this is really heavy stuff, Like let's just we
keep it loose, keep it fun, like just not verbatim.
But it was like me going in there my first job,
I'm like so serious. I was so serious, and he
was just like, dude, it's fine, keep it like Matthew. Also,
he's so likable to like Matthew as a person, but
also like Rufus too. I think I just remember that

(37:17):
being very easy. I just hey, I knew it was
heavy moment because the way they were shooting it, but
it was just because of I think Matthew's kindness that
it was a very simple, simple moment to pull off.
And you know, Scott says he's a fan of his band.
Let me ask both of you because you were shooting
obviously probably for a couple of several days um on

(37:39):
this polo set was so that was in the Hampton's.
Do you remember anything about the polo itself. I mean,
I know, I know that that guy Nacho is like
a huge star from the Polo Show. He was and
playing himself. Yeah, so you guys got to meet and
hang out with Nacho. What was that like? Do you
remember him? I don't know if we hung out. I

(38:00):
just remember being like beautiful and I was thinking like
what you thought, like, there's horses and a polo match.
I remember it raining because I was like, oh my
hair in this humidity and rain is not going to
be good for the coverage and the like, it's going
to be straight and then curly we're not going to
have time to like match. No. So I do remember
the rain. I remember just being beautiful. I don't remember
it was in the Hampton's, was it? I think it wasn't.

(38:22):
I think we stayed at hotels. I did not. Oh,
they were like they were like, send a cab for
take the bus home. I'm not I think it was
the bus with the background maybe who knows. I mean,
I remember just being beautiful and awesome. But it was
also one of those things when you get the script

(38:42):
and it says polo match here, and you know and
then you have one of the best, you have Nacho,
who's one of the best what do they call I
don't even know, polo player, but you know that it
looks beautiful. It looked like a fun polo imagine. I
feel like the whole thing was set up so the
and have this really big climactic moment for Serena, because

(39:03):
like we've been talking about, uh, Scott and Vanessa, but
like this episode, a lot a lot of what the
kind of plot juice of this episode has to do
with the fact that Serena went to search for her
real father and he kind of denied her, and so
she ended up acting out and just being wild and
crazy all over Europe, just trying to be photographed and

(39:24):
make it into the newspapers. And we realized the end
of this episode that she's doing that because she wants
her like dad. She wants him to see wherever in
the world, she wants him to see her in the newspaper,
you know, being wild and crazy. So the polo match
provides us with an opportunity for Serena to steal a
horse and ride off the trees wild Parkarazzi photographers are

(39:47):
chasing her, so it's a car yeah. And then and
then she ends up having like you know, hooking up
or having sex with Carter in the woods. So it's
a big yeah. So it's a good um. It's a
good place we get to with the old little match,
very good build up, a very good way, and and
it's like even the setup where you're like, you should

(40:07):
really go and hey, if you need a date, I'll come,
like Scott saying that to Vanessa. So you you pull
that card, so you get there so we can connect
you with rufus. Meanwhile, we also find out the whole
situation with Blair and Dan and Serena and Carter and
they're going to get a straining order and then forget
about that. There's like I'll be right next to her.

(40:28):
And then that was such a good scene. It's Sebastian
so especially so cool too. The way he played that,
it was just like, should tell, like what's really going
on in Serena's playing and then was playing just so
like I don't know what you're talking about, and it
was just I just think that was a really well
writ and scene, well performed scene where they basically like
Dan has no idea that he thinks that Carter is

(40:50):
a stalker who's going to cause harm to her, and
then it's actually not that at all, but it doesn't
know that he just met his half brother, doesn't know
that Vanessa is gonna soon be kissing his half brother,
or that his ex girlfriend and half sister, Serena you
is getting out of horse and about to get down
with Carter Bays and in the Foods Dan it's like, no,

(41:13):
it's not. Simultaneously, we have this other storyline that we
haven't mentioned it at all, which is that like Nate
has fallen for this new girl on the airplane, Bree

(41:38):
Bree Buckley who's played by Jamanna Garcia from the rival
family to his family. So it's like he's kind of
using her and he brings her to the polo match,
but then it turns out they have real feelings and
they have a kind of a love hate thing going
and they end up rolling off into the sunset, and
there's that great reveal where where his grandfather gets on
the phone and it's like, we're gonna use her to
take down the Buckley's. So, um, we have our we

(41:59):
have a lot of fool the cult term oil and
happening as well. So it's like, not only do we
have everything that's happening on the polo field, but we
have you know, Grandpa Vander Built or whatever his name is.
You know, in the background. There a lot. But you
know what's wild when when you were just saying that
when Nate introduces Bree to his grandfather, I was like

(42:21):
worried for his reaction. I'm like, oh, like this could
not go over well. And he acts like nothing, like,
oh you date who you want to date, you know,
acts totally like not bothered by it at all, which
is not what I expected. And then yeah, term out,
I just I was very nervous. I'm like, oh, and

(42:41):
I loved Joanna Garcia. Yeah, she's so funny. So it's
like all of the stuff happens, and then they go
to this polo match and then um, we realize at
the end that I guess Rufus does everything he can
to prevent the paparazzi photos of Serena. He gets, yeah,
he wants to put a stop to that because basically

(43:02):
she's been in the press all summer and she's you know,
not coming off well in the papers. And then it
turns out with a big reveal at the end of
the episode, is that Serena has paid one of the papers,
Potograph first, to make sure that he puts these like
really fantastic photos of her on the horse in all
of the press in Europe so that her dad can

(43:23):
see it. So now we really get to see that
like she was. It's like a cry for help from
her that she's like really reaching out to her father
that she wants to get a hold of so and
she calls him to I think she has a number,
so she's I think I think an old number. Maybe
that's yeah, but it's kind of sad. It's like such
a sad story because it's like, I guess we got
kind of come full circle because at the beginning of

(43:44):
Gossip Girl, it's like Serena has like Serena has kind
of gone crazy, and now she's back in town, right,
and then here people are scared for her, so like
Rufus is scared for her, Diana is scared for her
that she's like losing it, spiraling, and then it really
she's just like so vulnerable because her dad basically like
rejected her. And it's interesting because so yes, because you

(44:07):
have here Scott who's looking for his father. She's got
her dad. They yeah, I don't know, talk about me.
I like the story, talk about screena. Don't keep saying
Scott a lot of father drama. Yeah, father drama. It's
the big daddy episode area for sure, it's a big
daddy episode. But it's sad and it's also funny because
it's in the world of guss Only in the world
Gossip Girl. Can you have like Paparazzi's as a character

(44:31):
in this way? And I thought it was so like
I like For me, it was a really funny thing
to imagine that when they shot all the street scenes
where paparazzi photographers are chasing Serena, that those scenes were
in real time, We're being shot by New York paparazzi,
so you know, because there's no way they were shooting
those scenes and there wasn't actual paparazzi also chasing the scene.

(44:52):
So you had like double meadow paparazzi and also the
paparazzi in in the episode where much kind of like
hotter and like more fab than the ones you usually
run into. One was like like the Bobby a looking
guy and I was so I was like, you two
were used to it by the time season three came along,

(45:15):
so I didn't have any experience with that my first episode. Um,
I've never been escorted to set with bodyguards before. I
think I borrowed your bodyguard once, Jessica or I think whatever.
There was there was this big, big man that followed
you guys to set and like and I remember being
on my first day. One of my first days, people

(45:36):
were banging on my trailer. They were trying to get in,
Like there's fans trying to come into the trailer to
see who I was or something, and so the producer,
I think something happened where they they were like, all right,
you're gonna now your bodyguards are gonna be with You're
gonna stick with Jessica. Now her bodyguards are go wherever
hit her bodyguard. But I've never experienced that before and

(45:57):
I don't miss it at all. That's wild. Yeah, Gossip
Girls are fans are the fans of the show are
very very loyal, and yeah, they just are very excited
to see who's coming on and what's going through. So
you know, they they're so dialed in that for me,
I'm like episode to episode and then I'd have to

(46:17):
be like, wait, where did this happen again? You know
what I mean? But these I think it was so fascinating.
I'm like, wow, you guys really are guy. I almost
took a cab ride with a fan once. I was
literally rapping set and taking photos of fans and then
I was going to catch cabs to go back to
my apartment and like just ended up having like conversations
with the fans about storylines and stuff that I was like, oh, wow,

(46:37):
you're right, that is that is interesting. Just like you said,
they're so smart and so loyal. And I was like,
you guys need to ride up town and I was like,
wait a minute, no, you don't take rising. I'll see
you later. By then I just I zipped off. They
were so nice. Did you both ever read Gossip Girl insiderer?
That was like the famous that was like the big
web site back then for like all the and it

(47:00):
didn't really have the inside Gosper Onsider, but it was
a website that, um well, it was like after every
episode they would do a breakdown other and then then
then fans would comment on it. I'm so glad you
didn't find that because because it was like it was ruthless.
They were not see well and see this was out

(47:22):
of time where people didn't have as many platforms to
say really what they thought or felt. And everyone's entitled
to their opinion or you know, and it's a TV show,
so people are dialed into this, and they don't they
want these people to be together and not this like
you know they're gonna. I had certain things about nine
o two and no, and I'm like, I want these
two characters together, and I couldn't stand one character. And
then I actually ended up booking a show with her,

(47:43):
and i was like nervous to meet her because I'm like,
I like didn't really like her because she came in
and like sweat took the guy from the girl I
wanted him to be with. This was Tiffany Abertheson, and
she ended up being the nicest, was most amazing, And
I remember being like, you know what, that just says
how good of an actor you are, because for years
when she would come in and out, and I know,
to a know, I'd be like, oh, just leave him alone. Yeah,

(48:06):
it's the fans love to hate you. It's like you
gotta have be doing something right, you know. It's like
that's great. Yeah, and it's funny. It's like I have this,
I have a funny little side thing about this like
negative comment thing, which is that um and this is
me now totally jinxing myself and I'm sure you could
probably prove me wrong. But I think because of how

(48:27):
like lovable a character Groda was. In terms of how
fans related to her love of Blair, I've never actually
seen like a negative social media comment about de Rod
that like nobody ever got on a step You're ugly
or you know, and it's so funny because I was like,
I think it's purely has to do with that, the
fact that de Roda had such a pure heart about

(48:47):
Blair that, um, you know, I go scouring but I
haven't seen one, so so knock on wood. Now. Now
that I said that, I'll probably feel like, here's all
he calls you ugly and dumb. But no, no, but
I really have you know, it's fun because it's like
sometimes you see like the I actually feel like the
Gospball fans like we're a very loving bunch in that regard,
at least from my point of view. Yeah. I remember

(49:10):
being an interview someone asked me who you would date
on the show, and I was I thought I was
being charming and I said Deronda, saying that a little sidebar,
who would you date? Is? Deronda's boyfriend. Vanya shows up
in this episode for the first I think it's his
first episode. I don't know if we maybe we saw

(49:30):
him before, but it's a big episode for Vanya because
he's the one pushing the doors against the paparazzi when
Serena comes home and I was like, there he is.
There's Aaron Schwartz, who ends up being Corona's husband. And yeah,
so anyway, that was just a little sidebar. I was like,
props for Vanya here, that go ahead. I was. I
was just saying stilly stuff about being young and reading

(49:51):
articles that I shouldn't be reading. It's like, because it's
it's I never didn't know. I know what I did.
I did, and it was it was, it did not
all good. But now I'm married and in thirty seven,
so I'm like, yeah, like listen, I didn't write the episodes.
I didn't. I was just so lucky to get the
job and it really helped me get other jobs. And

(50:12):
and it's it was, you know, any time I've ever
been stopped on the street, no matter what the Internet says, like,
it's always Scott gossip Girl and they're always the sweetest
people like the stuff. But it doesn't happen in a while.
But but yeah, you know you're loyal. When I'm into
a show, I'm into a show, so I understand, I'm
I'm I'm a fan first, so and to be honest,
like we we can all agree on this, like from

(50:34):
the writing to the casting, to the wardrobe to the
hair and makeup to the locations. It was done so well,
and it was, like what Norman said in the last episode,
even if you take outside of this world that not
a lot of people can relate to on the Upper
East Side and all that, it's about the emotions of
what the characters are going through. And I can understand
why people are so doaled in and care so much

(50:55):
and and honestly that it says something when you have
fans for yours that are still wanting to watch the show.
The most things said to me other than are you
Vanessa from Gossip Girl? Or oh I love the show
is I've watched it five times. I've watched it four.
It's always several several times. And I think that's so
wonderful that people like it that much. I love this show,

(51:15):
I mean, and that's it's funny. Like I said, I
was a fan of it. It's just even now watching
I'm like, I understand that, Like it's so addicting to
watch it, and the characters are so vibrant and and
and perfectly cast in my opinion, So yeah, they just
did a good job for the whole puzzle for what
Gossip Girl, you know what I mean? Like I can't
picture anyone else like Jen or Amy or Lizzie doing

(51:38):
you know, hair makeup right, Sana, Like they just the
right people. It was everyone was a right fit across
the board for the show. Yeah, and it's and it's
like you say that you feel so lucky that you
got to have that job and be on the show,
But it's like Gossip Girl is lucky to have you
play Scott because you were bringing so much of that
depth and that, you know, because part of part of
what makes the show like like like Jessica saying, it's

(51:59):
like if if we're relating to the emotional life of
these characters, it's like sometimes the storylines could be sillier
over the top, but it's like you have to have
that kind of commitment in the integrity of being truthful
as an actor. And so they cast this show well
because the actors were like given the truth, you know,
and so like to watch you make that really complicated character, relatable,

(52:21):
viable reel, you know, and ground it was grounds. Yeah,
thank you. I think that I think it might just
be probably the writing and director than like even when
you're saying you were watching it, Chris, and you're like,
I don't even know who that kid is. Is like

(52:41):
so interesting and fascinating to me because one, it was
so long ago, but that's it's also great that you
feel like you've grown as an actor and I met
your person and all that, but also like that might
have obviously worked to play Scott kind of the way
you did or wherever you were at that time in
your life. Yeah, I mean, there's just I don't know
what how cast naractors do what they do. I think

(53:01):
they're the unsung heroes of the business. I think, and
I'm friends with a few, but I think they're such
brilliant talente. Yeah. Absolutely, I'm lucky that I got it.
I'm happy that I was casta but hearing you talked
about I'm like, well, maybe they did where I was
in my life, but it was, you know, young and
twenty on a show. Was happy to be there. Well,

(53:24):
we were happy to have the king. And let me
ask you this, did you think when you were reading
this script when we did the kiss at the end
Vanessa and Scott? I remember thinking, wow, this is early on.
I thought it would have been a couple more episodes
in like I was like, whoa he They're like going
for it, and it was wild because it was really
Vanessa took the initiative and to do it. So I'm like,

(53:46):
so I just thought the way they set it up
and it was played out was just done really well.
It was done perfectly. I thought it was really cool.
When I read it, I was like, awesome, Like there's
a kiss because it makes it important. That means it
really ship will go further, which I thought was really cool.
But for your mind, it was like Vanessa story. It
was like perfectly orchestrated by the Rutters because you had

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been blown off by Dan, You've been disappointed, even lied to.
It's this nice guy who's here, who is here? Dan's
not here, And it was just really nice. It was
a nice kind of rebellious but also kind of like
independent thing you did. We just I'm gonna kiss this
this this guy who I don't know maybe I like,
maybe I don't. It was just a rewatching. I was like,
they really set that up really well. It wasn't just

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a kiss, it was something else, yeah, beautiful Yeah, and
the kiss itself too. It was so there was there
was promising because like I also like, I don't remember
what happens next. With you guys, like, I don't remember
what happens in the story, so I'm excited to see
the next episode. But the and then live happily her No,
but the kiss, but the kiss itself, it's like, but

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she goes for and then she says, somebody had to
make the move. It's like, to my mind, I saw
Scott relating to Vanessa and it was helping him and
his cause. But in that moment, I saw like little
spark take hold and he was like, uh, but you know,
so I just love it so much happened and the kids,
like the chemistry of the kids was nice, and it
had really like it was like a really cute moment.
So it's not like I was like, oh, this villain

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Scott is going to kiss her using her to get
to Dan. In fact, I thought it was like multitle
level layer. So it was cool. It was cute. Yeah,
I'm excited to see where it goes the same And
I think the way, yeah, the way you played all
the things going on with him, I think was just
you were so great. And it's also like you kind

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of said, coming on to a show at season three,
you have a lot of people watching that have their
opinions and their ideas of what they think and how
they think things should go down, you know, and you're
just you're just trying to get there and do your job.
But I really think this is probably one of the
most difficult characters to come on and play with with
what was all going on. Absolutely, it was really heavy

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and complicated and and I don't know, it was like
it was so much going on and a lot of
white lies. But yeah, if I carried all that stuff
into every single line, it would be like and so
I had to almost bury it and just go and
just you know, throw it away and act like it
and go breathe because you don't want to give your

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cards away. I show your hand, you know, so right right,
I mean it was all in there. Let's leave it
like back and read it the show where there would
be a lot of that would be so funny. We
actually should do, yeah, like a one episode reboot where
we just all play those same characters. I mean mine

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was already supposed to be old anyway. I'm good. But
you know, if everybody else still played the high school
version of It's like a table everything today, Yeah, yeah,
I think i'd been good. I'm on board for it.
Do it. Um, we're gonna close up here, like, all right,
so let's watch the episode. Let's go No, because I'm

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also excited. I don't remember what happens, Chris. So I'm
very excited to see crying scene with you on my
coverage and then when the camera's on me and then
they yelled cut and you looked at me like you
better do that for my coverage, and I was like,
I will promise. I was. You've never made it, You've

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never made me. You were you were always so generous
and kind and as you are now. Yeah, we had
a really good time. I felt very taken care of
the new guy. Well, we're gonna do um the gossip
or closing quote Kristen Bell. Kristen Bell. In your head,
growing up means one thing. Independence. We all want it.

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Sometimes we use other people to try and get it
for ourselves. Sometimes we find it in each other. Sometimes
our independence comes at the cost of something else, and
our cost can be high, because more often than not,
in order to gain independence, we have to fight, never
give up, never surrender. X O x O gossip girl. Wow,

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that's a deep one, big one, I know. Um, thank
you so much for coming on and I'm like, can't
wait to see these next couple episodes. We may end
up having you come back to tell us more of
what goes down. Thank you, thank you for for having me.
I mean, it's it's I'm really proud of both of you.
Were proud of you for this show and for taking

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this time to listen and letting me rot along about
real stuff. That's pleasure. That's a pleasure to me after
each other, like ships in the night. So thank you, Chris.

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Thank you so much for being so open with us,
just being here telling us your story. That was so
right to catch up after all these years. I'm very
excited to see what happens with Scott, Vanessa and Scott
and the family and all the things. So thank you
so much. And for all you listeners. One, I have
a Christmas movie coming out November eleven, Designing Christmas is

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the title. It will be streaming on Discovery. Plus I
love the holidays. It's my first Christmas movie or holiday movie.
I'm just so excited. So hopefully you'll check that out
and really get into the holiday spirit. And next week
we will be doing season three, episode two, The Freshman.
We're gonna keep it moving with these re watches. It's

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been so fun. There's so much to come. I'm so pumped.
All right until next time. X O x O x
O XO is produced by Propagate Content and Meet Jessica's Or.
Our show is executive produced by Langley. Our producers are

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Diego Tapia, Christin Vermillion, Uh, Emily Carr, and Hannah Harris.
Original music by Moxie and Luke h