Ravens Load Up, Richardson Benched and the return of Quarterback Island!

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Speaker 1 (00:08):
Welcome to NFL Daily, where we support the Dwayne Wade statue.
It was we it's a week before trade deadline for yourself.

Speaker 2 (00:18):
But we couldn't wait to get some trades off.

Speaker 1 (00:21):
So yes, we are talking news. We are talking Quarterback Island.
We're talking TNF here in the Chris Westling podcast studio
with Steve Weisch.

Speaker 3 (00:30):
Yeah, back from.

Speaker 1 (00:32):
Europe, Jordan rod Rieg back from I'll Play Callers podcast,
new new episode.

Speaker 2 (00:39):
And yes, Colleen.

Speaker 4 (00:40):
Wolf Hey, I'm just here, Colleen, stop by yo.

Speaker 1 (00:45):
Back from Monday night football coverage with Steve Mariucci. Going
to Germany next week. You're gonna leave the studio straight
from our trade deadline. We got that right to the
airport just moments.

Speaker 5 (00:57):
Ago, all of us together, especially you color and she's.

Speaker 3 (01:00):
Going to l Sace. Yeah, it's a good white wine.

Speaker 4 (01:03):
And I'm gonna have to write that down. I don't
know the spelling of that. I'm not really sure I
got you. Okay, how are we feeling?

Speaker 6 (01:09):
Oh, we're fired up. We're fired up. It's Quarterback Island time.

Speaker 3 (01:13):
It is feel it.

Speaker 1 (01:13):
It's been a lot of planning Quarterback Island. We'll see
if it's anymore well organized this time surprising, Jordan didn't believe.

Speaker 5 (01:22):
Like, are you looking at me?

Speaker 2 (01:23):
Well, because it's like twenty minutes before the show.

Speaker 1 (01:25):
I said, I'm an open I'm open for all the arguments.
Which quarterbacks are going to be on the island and
which aren't. We're deciding which twelve deserve to be there.
And you didn't believe me.

Speaker 6 (01:35):
Do you see the reworking of the phraseology of what
he actually said, Yeah, we're not going to go there.

Speaker 7 (01:39):
I actually videoed it, though, So I have receipts and
what does it say says I have no plan?

Speaker 5 (01:44):
You said that's true, and I said, I don't believe you.

Speaker 3 (01:47):
Oh I thought it was executive power.

Speaker 4 (01:49):
Oh yeah, Okay, now we're talking about you can change
the rules as much as we wish, but I don't
have a plan.

Speaker 2 (01:57):
I don't know how.

Speaker 1 (01:58):
I mean, we know each other prettyretty well, Jordan, now,
but you know not as long as he's like, I
don't normally necessarily have a plan.

Speaker 2 (02:05):
You have an idea, you just roll.

Speaker 3 (02:08):
Let's do some news, dude.

Speaker 1 (02:09):
Ah, Okay, we're going to try to avoid news today,
but the NFL wouldn't let us, so we've got juicy
news let's start with the Deontay Johnson trade from the
Panthers to the Ravens. Because of the three big items
on Tuesday, this was the one that surprised me the most.

(02:32):
The Ravens only have to send a sixth round a
fifth round pick, and they get back the Panthers' sixth
round pick. When you think about how the Panthers are
going to be at the top of the draft and
the Ravens are going to be at the bottom, that's
like half around when you know, account for the compensatory
picks that will be in there. They're basically trading for nothing.
And oh, by the way, the Panthers are paying a

(02:54):
good chunk or most of his salary. Kind of crazy
that the number one offense in the NFL, Colleen is
adding another weapon.

Speaker 8 (03:03):
Great job, Eric Tacosta, I mean, this was a steal.
This was such a great move.

Speaker 4 (03:08):
By them and Deontay Johnson he was getting moved either way. Yeah,
But once Christian Kirk got hurt, broke his collar bone,
I feel like then it was like Deontay was the
clear option for them. And there were so many teams
that still out there that need wide receiver help. But
I just think I just cannot wait for November seventeenth
when he goes back to Pittsburgh as a raven Or.

(03:30):
Like that's because he was traded from the Steelers. So
i just like the pettiness of it, and I'm excited
for that.

Speaker 3 (03:37):
You just want to be back against Patrick Queen, so
you know, to there we go.

Speaker 5 (03:41):
Yeah, I like this.

Speaker 7 (03:42):
It was interesting Jeff's reebik over at the Athletic He
was talking about improving wide receiver depth, but he's also
talking about how he could potentially factor in the return game.
You know, that's a team that really puts a lot
of emphasis on special teams. It helped him in the
margins late last season as well during the regular season,
and he actually was talking about potentially thinking that this

(04:04):
team would try him out in the return game as well,
because yes, they needed a boost in the receiving corps,
but also projecting him as a potential guy who could
try to take some reps there.

Speaker 6 (04:15):
I think, honestly, in the shell game they made a
move before Houston came and got him. With the news
of Stefan Diggs being out, I think this is okay,
We're gonna be This is a team with. These are
teams you have to battle to get to the Super Bowl.
Digs is out, Houston could be going to get him.
Let's get him to add to the return game, but
you throw him out there. Now you got Zave Flowers,
you got a speed burner who can also do the

(04:36):
intermediate stuff at Deontay Johnson. You've got the two tight ends,
and you've got Lamar and Derrick Henry. There's a lot
of things to occupy a defensive coordinator.

Speaker 4 (04:45):
Yeah, everybody in the AFC is doing it these days.
I mean the Bills, the Chiefs.

Speaker 1 (04:49):
Yeah, it is an arms race, and yet it costs
totally nothing. So you would think they went around to
try to get better offers and couldn't get it. I'm
I'm stunned by it because you can talk about wide
receiver depth all you want. This guy has almost five
thousand yards in his career. He's been extremely productive. Now
there is an issue of that. The Steelers did not

(05:11):
want him around. They traded him for Dante Jackson. They're
very happy about that trade. By the way, they got
a starting cornerback who plays every snap.

Speaker 2 (05:18):
They do need a wide receiver, though they're They're doing
pretty well on offense.

Speaker 1 (05:22):
I think they're happy with that trade, and the Panthers
apparently wanted to get rid of them so badly that
they gave him away for nothing and are paying them.

Speaker 3 (05:31):
So he's got expiring content.

Speaker 1 (05:33):
I get it, but literally, they're getting basically no value
and they're paying it, so they just wanted him on
some level out of the building.

Speaker 7 (05:41):
I've said this before with a couple of these trade.
I don't think for teams that are contenders that are
basically paying a rental price to have someone who can
help them or improve their plus qualities as an offense
by just a little bit more down the stretch, I
don't think situations like that they care as much about
those contextual elements to potentially agree.

Speaker 1 (06:03):
And it's the Ravens. The Ravens feel like he's just
gonna be a piece of the Ravens. If he tries
to rock the boat there, it's going to hurt his
career and they won't correct.

Speaker 4 (06:12):
They won't imagine going from Carolina to Baltimore for him,
or oh my god.

Speaker 3 (06:17):
Or Mary Cooper going from Cleveland to Buffalo.

Speaker 7 (06:19):
Yeah, well, I love it because it seems like Colleen
you mentioned it Stevie mentioned it. It seems like all of
these AFC teams, you know that scene from the Office
where they're playing the board game where they're like who
committed the murder or whatever, and they're all standing in
a circle that meme, and they all have the finger
guns out and they're looking at each other and who's
going to move first?

Speaker 5 (06:35):
Who's going to move first?

Speaker 7 (06:36):
Then all of a sudden, everything happens at once, like
that is what's going on here with the AFC. They're
all like, oh, you might be looking for a pass oursher.
Oh you got the guy that we wanted. Okay, we're
gonna pivot and get this other receiver that maybe you
guys were looking at. And okay, now we're going to
get this receiver that you guys couldn't get.

Speaker 5 (06:50):
It just is fascinating.

Speaker 2 (06:51):
I love it.

Speaker 7 (06:52):
They're loading up and this this Conferences division is loading
up in a big way.

Speaker 2 (06:56):
I mean, he might be their leading receiver.

Speaker 1 (06:58):
My guess would be Zay Flower will be Zay Flowers
has improved quite a bit. There are some similarities, but
Deontay Johnson is a more accomplished route run. He's been
productive since the day he hit the league, like six
hundred and eighty yards as a rookie.

Speaker 2 (07:11):
I remember thinking that that's impressive.

Speaker 1 (07:13):
And ever since then he had that one big thousand
yard season, but he's always seven hundred, eight hundred yards
a lot of catches. But there is this idea of
Deontay Johnson two that I have that like, there's so
much more he can get that hasn't happened yet. He
has been in the NFL for six years. Maybe it's
not happy. It's like it's like there's this idea of
him like an American psycho. There's this idea of Peyton

(07:34):
Patrick Bateman, you know what I mean, like some kind
of abstracted abstraction. But it's it's illusory, this idea of
Deontay Johnson that I've had. But he doesn't need to
be a number one there. He's replacing Nelson Aguilar. It's
definitely an upgrade for Nelson, and he's a rental player.

Speaker 6 (07:50):
I mean he's Kawhi Leonard, so I mean he could
be the guy just to get him over the top.

Speaker 2 (07:53):
It's a really smart move by the Ravens.

Speaker 1 (07:56):
And like I said, they are number one in passing
Dvoa on the season. The number one offense in the league,
number one in passing efficiency. Because the running game helped
set up these open receivers. Deontay Johnson's going to see
more single coverage than he's ever seen in his life.

Speaker 2 (08:12):
Let's stay at receiver.

Speaker 1 (08:13):
You mentioned Stefan Diggs out for the season for Houston.
Really disappointing to see them lose another piece. Nego Collins
will be back in the mix for them, Jordan, but
I think this is a.

Speaker 2 (08:28):
Sneaky, big loss.

Speaker 1 (08:29):
Like I know, people haven't seen him be the old
Stefan Diggs, but he leads the team in first downs.
He actually was becoming that trusty third down guy out
of the slot. Almost a majority of snaps in the
slot that he looked to when he needed ten yards
they went to Stefan Diggs.

Speaker 2 (08:46):
And now he's not there.

Speaker 7 (08:47):
Yeah, and that kind of relationship building takes a little
bit of time, that kind of trust to chemistry developing
between a receiver who was new to this team this
offseason and a quarterback who as well as he's played
over the first year and a half of it career,
you still are trying to find those guys that you
can build that trust with, particularly with some of your
other guys missing, I think where this really hurts them.

(09:08):
It's like you said, he's a first down machine. Okay, Well,
this is an offense that's really struggling in terms of protection,
in terms of creating a safe space around the quarterback
in order to run a functional offense to stay ahead
of the downs. Their run game is working, but in
terms of the past game, it's been up and down.
And a lot of reasons why you see him leaning
on Steffan Diggs is because you're starting to get that

(09:29):
security blanket developed. And that's not a bad thing. That's
a very good thing, and it helps you sustain as
you figure out how you need to recalibrate and re
scheme your offensive line in the meantime. Now you got
to do that while also missing a significant player on
your offense.

Speaker 6 (09:43):
Yeah, I think attackings are going to be in the
trade market. I mean there's still like who's left?

Speaker 2 (09:47):
Like that got time right, Like, yeah, what.

Speaker 3 (09:49):
Player do they want to go after?

Speaker 6 (09:50):
Because you see in de hoop all those guys are
gone but Kendrick Bourne.

Speaker 3 (09:56):
I guess oooh, I don't see the Patriots part mc
Kendrick Bourne.

Speaker 6 (09:58):
They really like him in regards to their season, if
they can get a Kentry born who can go downfield.
I mean he's different than Steffan in terms of his
ability to get downfield.

Speaker 3 (10:07):
If they get someone like him. With Nico Collins coming.

Speaker 1 (10:10):
Various, Layton certainly not a one to one fit. But
when I look at their current roster, I kind of
think Robert Woods is gonna play this role that Stefan
Diggs was because Tank Dell isn't really built for that.
He hasn't been as good this year. They're only twenty
fifth as an offense in success rate statistically, their passing
game is about average in most metrics.

Speaker 2 (10:31):
So you lose Stefan Diggs, that's a big loss.

Speaker 4 (10:33):
Yeah, And Nico Collins he's on injured reserve until least
week ten. So I mean it's I guess the timing
of this. At at least it gives them a little flexibility,
an option to potentially get someone. It's late in the
game for a receiver, but at least this didn't happen
right after the trade death.

Speaker 2 (10:52):
That's a good point.

Speaker 7 (10:52):
I'll throw out a name, but not the one you
guys expect me to. What about two to two out well,
because now that Cooper Cup and Pokin Nick sure back
and they really like you don't under don't underrate him.
I know that he hasn't had a lot of opportunities
to He's played every position in this offense that has similar.

Speaker 2 (11:07):
Language just offered him the most foul taste.

Speaker 5 (11:12):
He plays bigger than.

Speaker 2 (11:14):
Just like wine that's been sitting out for plays.

Speaker 7 (11:17):
He plays bigger than he looks. I listen, I understand,
I get it. But but he knows, he knows this
offense and the Rams are probably not going to resign
him after this year. Puka Nakua, Cooper Cup being back,
Jordan Wittington emerged, that's the direction they're going to go
with their offense.

Speaker 5 (11:31):
They'll probably at least, you know, have the conversation.

Speaker 2 (11:33):
I think there's a maximum.

Speaker 7 (11:35):
As much as I like Steve's face torn, you hate
not to tow out all for.

Speaker 1 (11:39):
As much as I like my body diversity and accomplished.

Speaker 7 (11:43):
Okay, you blame you could blame Sean McVay a little
bit on that one.

Speaker 2 (11:46):
Okay, I know is Eric.

Speaker 5 (11:51):
Eric's got a.

Speaker 6 (11:52):
Lot of receivers in tot Well Flash and training camp
started the season bank bang and then.

Speaker 2 (11:58):
I mean NFL often are creative.

Speaker 1 (12:00):
I think there's only one slot for a guy who's
under one hundred and sixty pounds on each in each
wide run.

Speaker 5 (12:06):
Right, what he's the opposite of what.

Speaker 7 (12:09):
The Cardinals are doing on right taking that slot, shrinking
on down.

Speaker 1 (12:13):
I really feel for Stefan Diggs too, because he is
going to be a free agent.

Speaker 2 (12:18):
He had a void in his contract.

Speaker 1 (12:20):
This was always a prove it type of deal, and look,
they might bring him back because okay, we got.

Speaker 2 (12:28):
To know you. You were a good fit with CJ. Stroud.

Speaker 1 (12:31):
His offers aren't going to be as good as as
they would have been. He had quickly transitioned. I didn't
expect this to be that quick, but to a guy
who's averaging like ten point six yards per catch. It
was not a guy who's going down the field but
catching a very high percentage of balls. Was kind of
transitioning to that veteran role where he wasn't as big
of a playmaker, and so you hate to see that

(12:51):
for him. He will be hitting free agency. He'll be
thirty two years old next year. I hope they end
up keeping him. Let's stay in the AFC South and
talk about the move that Nick Shook and eye saw
coming on the Monday Night Show when Shane Steiken did
the thing where he said we're evaluating and that means
they're making a change.

Speaker 2 (13:11):
Anthony Richardson is being benched. How about that?

Speaker 1 (13:16):
Twenty two years old? Just a handful of starts this year.
Joe Flacco, Steve will be the starter Sunday Night Football.
When was the last time the Colts were in Sunday
Night Football? And now it's with Joe Flackey against his
Vikings defense?

Speaker 6 (13:29):
Fine, Joe Flacco run the offense. Look at this, Two
of the top four picks from last year's draft have
been benched for Andy Dalton Joe Flacco. When you think
about Bryce Young also hitting the pump.

Speaker 2 (13:37):
Yeah, so that's crazy.

Speaker 3 (13:39):
But they had to do this.

Speaker 6 (13:40):
Anthony Richardson every game that he finished this year completed
no more than fifty percent of his passes. That is
torture to the other guys on that team. That's why
you have to make a move like this, because when
Joe Flacco played, the offense was functional.

Speaker 3 (13:53):
They're going with the deep ball.

Speaker 6 (13:54):
He's on schedule, he's not tapping out because he's tired.
That move right there, is letely an excuse. But when
you've got six guys up front, fighting their herd to
protect you, to save your life, and you tap out
because you're tired, nobody wants to hear that. But just
go back to the fact that he's not ready. Everything
we heard about him coming on the draft is he's
just not ready. It's going to take him some time.

(14:16):
So good on Chainsichon pull him back right now because
he is in a he is in a tailspin.

Speaker 3 (14:22):
Yeah, and it's not good.

Speaker 6 (14:23):
And I'm sure the other dudes on that team after
him tapping out or like huh uh, Joe.

Speaker 7 (14:26):
Flatcoin, Tapper probably can't even feel his body.

Speaker 4 (14:30):
That's Stephen Holder is treating all sorts of stuff about
this decision. What the team had explained to him, people
from the team that they want Richardson.

Speaker 2 (14:41):
To take a step back, that break they're.

Speaker 4 (14:43):
Giving him, they're not quitting on him right now. But yeah,
he doesn't have the experience. He's so raw, and you
can see that just from the fact that he did
tap out. They can't get the locker room behind him.
How are you going to rally a bunch of guys
after you do that?

Speaker 7 (15:00):
And I want to make the point too, when you're
playing in season, if you're a young quarterback and you
still need a ton of developmental work, you don't get
that during practices. What your reps are during practices are
game planning our offensive installation.

Speaker 5 (15:15):
They are not conditioning reps.

Speaker 7 (15:17):
In fact, you're probably deloading much more than you are
actually getting into shape. You're doing things because of the
injury that he previously saying. You're protecting the injury. You're prehabbing,
you're post rehabbing, You're doing all of these things. You're
not developing as an efficient thrower. Now, I do want
to point out I think this is the right move,
and I think that it gives him time to actually
work with this programming that the cults are all bought

(15:39):
into the same programming and biomechanics experts and private coaches
that you can usually only work with during the off
season that Josh Allen worked with when he was learning
how to become a more efficient thrower and to fine
tune some of his mechanics. That is the work that
Anthony Richardson needs to do in spades right now. He
doesn't need to be sitting there taking in of that

(16:00):
time to do things that are not actually getting him
better as a thrower of the football. And it's not
anyone's fault that they're not. It's just you have to
go play football and plan games and try to win
games and beat opponents. And Joe Flacco can do that.
Anthony Richardson does need this time, and I do know
the Colts are invested in those practices and in those methods,
So I think that this is a good thing for

(16:22):
Anthony Richardson.

Speaker 5 (16:22):
If we're looking at the five year plan.

Speaker 6 (16:24):
And they're there, they would be in the playoffs right now.
I mean, that's the thing. You look at their record
in the AFC AFC they're five hundred, right, so that's
the thing. If they were terrible, that's one thing. They're like,
we're trying to win ball games. We are right there,
just like we were last year. When you look at
the rest of the AFC, the AFC East is probably
only be one team now making the playoffs in that division.

Speaker 3 (16:45):
That's not what anybody thought. So they're trying to win.

Speaker 6 (16:48):
Get They've got a veteran Leydon roster guyas like DeForest Buckner,
guys like that. Let's get to the playoffs and take
a shot, because I think the AOFC is far more
wide open than.

Speaker 4 (16:56):
We thought, and Joe Flacco seems like the perfect quarterback
to learn learn from, if that is even a thing
in the NFL. But Joe Flacco is one of the
nicest guys in the world, and he's not thinking that
he's going to be like leading the future of this
franchise or anything. So I would imagine that that environment
is a healthy one in the quarterback room.

Speaker 1 (17:14):
They should they should have just kept going with Flacco
at the time instead of going back to Richardson.

Speaker 2 (17:19):
That's where it got a little messy.

Speaker 1 (17:21):
I think Richardson's in one of his biggest strengths there
is intangibles in terms of his leadership and and I
know he tapped out for that play, but in I
think he'll be able to handle this. I think they
love him there in the building as a person. But
I've never seen a young quarterback more in his own
head so as much as it could be about mechanics too,
And he didn't have the off season because he was
recovering from the shoulder injury. You could almost see him

(17:43):
overthinking out there, like.

Speaker 8 (17:46):
He this is what happens when you draft potential.

Speaker 2 (17:47):
He was playing tight.

Speaker 1 (17:48):
Caleb Williams I thought on that and that Game's Sunday,
like you could see him coming off the BIB playing
a little tight. But Richardson especially just felt like he
was he was not playing loose. Now, their numbers as
as a running team when He's on the field versus
when Flacco's on the field are quite different. They're much
better now. They didn't have Jonathan Taylor for those Flaco starts.
That's a huge part of it. But you have to
change the offense a little bit and you're gonna lose

(18:11):
a little bit in the running.

Speaker 2 (18:12):
I do look at the schedule.

Speaker 1 (18:13):
I expect Anthony Richardson starts again this year, probably by December.
They're not going to keep starting Joe Flacco. And Joe
Flacco's older, you know, is he gonna last to the
end of the season.

Speaker 2 (18:24):
You don't know.

Speaker 1 (18:25):
Here's the schedule. My point is he has to win that.
Here are their games before the bye at Minnesota, home
for Bills, at the Jets, home for Lions, at the Patriots. Now,
if Joe Flacco cannot beat one of the three best
teams and like three of the best teams in the
league are the Vikings, the Bills, and the Lions. Let's
say they lose all three of those and they're you know,

(18:47):
and let's say they beat the Jets, They're five and seven.
We're hitting December. They probably go back to Richard maybe,
you know what I mean, Like.

Speaker 3 (18:54):
I'm I am not counting them out with Flacco, I
am not counting them out.

Speaker 9 (18:59):
You know what.

Speaker 7 (18:59):
I love was listening to Chris Long's podcast green Light,
and Joe Flacco was telling this story about how when
he gets out of bed in the mornings, he can't
stand up straight all the way until he finally makes it,
you know, several feet down the hall to the bathroom
and finally man and finally.

Speaker 3 (19:17):
Me either.

Speaker 1 (19:20):
Okay, let's play for five straight weeks as the starter
and no, that's that's all I'm saying.

Speaker 3 (19:27):
I guarantee Matthew Stafford probably feels the.

Speaker 5 (19:29):
Same, probably crawling at this place.

Speaker 3 (19:32):
This is not that is not a unique situation post
now it is.

Speaker 1 (19:37):
It is a great It is a great story, a
great like I want Joe Flacco to do it. Let's
get that win against the Vikings. I'll be rooting for
the Colts. That would be fun. And you mentioned it's
it's not a developed developmental league, and Richardson needs it.

Speaker 2 (19:51):
He's only started twenty two games since high school.

Speaker 7 (19:53):
I like what Colleen said is this is what happens
when you draft potential. There's nothing wrong with drafting potential,
like she alluded to, but you have to also have
the infrastructure and the patients to manage that potential and
to develop and blossom that potential in a league that
is not built for that at all.

Speaker 3 (20:10):
You got to know your locker room.

Speaker 6 (20:11):
I mean that's more than you have to know your
locker room is if they're going to be patient enough.
Like when Trey Lance went to the forty nine ers,
that actually was a very good situation for him. They
had everything built in for him, a great culture. He
just couldn't play right. That's what it came down to.
But if you put Bryce Young with the Carolina Panthers
and he's playing with you know, a bunch of traffic collings,

(20:32):
I mean no, no, not disparaging, but yes, at the
same time, that's not helping this guy.

Speaker 3 (20:37):
No, that's not having a plan.

Speaker 1 (20:38):
Now people are like, what about his confidence, and there's
reports he was devastated, but they're not worried about, like,
of course he's going to be devastated. I've heard starting
quarterbacks say like, this is the worst thing that can happen.
You do sometimes you come back you feel a little
freed up from it because the worst thing has already happened.
And yes, this is a guy who's two and a
half years younger than Bonicks, a year and a half
younger than Jadan Daniels certainly hasn't played nearly as much

(20:58):
football as him, so there's a lot of time here.

Speaker 4 (21:01):
Oh man, I just wonder how that messes with his
head as someone who is so young and inexperienced.

Speaker 2 (21:06):
He'll be fine, fine.

Speaker 3 (21:08):
I can feel it.

Speaker 1 (21:09):
If he's going to have a good career, he'll still
have it. I don't think I don't think this is
gonna make or break Anthony Richardson. Look, we saw Drew
Brees get benched for Doug Flutie back in the day.

Speaker 2 (21:18):
He had a pretty good career.

Speaker 3 (21:20):
Let's go if you know, the kids have no idea
what you were talking about.

Speaker 2 (21:22):
Doug Flutey or Drew Brees.

Speaker 1 (21:24):
I'm just saying, people forget this whole chargers up and
down where people his coach hated him in San Diego.

Speaker 8 (21:30):
I was trying to think of football historian, how.

Speaker 1 (21:32):
Many different not many like high, highly touted, top quarterbacks
have been benched though and went on to have a
good career. It actually hasn't that many. Alex Smith is
another one that has. Drew Brees is, you know, at
the top of the list, at least for the last
twenty years. All right, we're going to talk about some
players who are at no risk of being benched in
just the second.

Speaker 2 (21:52):
Yes, we're going to the quarterback.

Speaker 3 (21:56):
Let's go.

Speaker 9 (22:10):
Twelve of the NFL's finest quarterbacks have left the comfort
of their stadiums and luxury suites for the adventure of
a lifetime. These brid iron heroes are used to leading
their teams on the field, but can they outplay, outlast,
and outthrow each other in the ultimate survival challenge?

Speaker 2 (22:27):
You ain't everything you have with the gobas tied you.

Speaker 5 (22:29):
We find a way to win.

Speaker 7 (22:30):
The No matter what.

Speaker 9 (22:33):
The stakes are high and the competition is fierce, only
one can claim the title of the ultimate survivor. Who
will rise to the top and who will be sacked?

Speaker 1 (22:41):
They wrote me off, I ain't right back though, well,
I'm right back.

Speaker 3 (22:45):
Let's go. This is Quarterback of Ireland.

Speaker 2 (22:49):
Let's go.

Speaker 1 (22:50):
We are the look of it. This total joy on
Jordan Rodriggs's face. Thank you Randy Chavis for voicing that.
Thank you to g Know Smith, one of the current
twelve members of Quarterback Island. If you haven't been with
us on the first two editions, we're doing this once
a month every four weeks during the season, deciding who

(23:13):
are the quarterbacks that define the position right now? Who
is playing the best in twenty twenty four. You can
interpret it however you wish, but there are twelve members,
as decided by us, the panelists that are currently on
Quarterback Island. So just so to go over it, let's
talk about him and I'm gonna go alphabetical order, so

(23:34):
you know we're not playing any favorites. Josh Allen, Joe Burrow,
Jaden Daniels, Sam Darnold got put onto the island.

Speaker 2 (23:41):
That's a problem with that all right now, Jared.

Speaker 3 (23:43):
No, you heard the pause. Good catch, Colleen.

Speaker 1 (23:46):
Jared Goff also got put onto the island last time around.
Lamar Jackson, Patrick Mahomes, Dak Prescott, Brock Purty. They've been
there all along. Gino Smith got onto the island last
time around this Matthew Stafford and c J.

Speaker 2 (24:01):
Stroud. So that's after week four. Here we are after
week eight.

Speaker 3 (24:05):
Wow, that flew by, Yeah did it?

Speaker 5 (24:08):
Though I do measure time.

Speaker 1 (24:09):
People say that island, but that feels so long ago. Honestly, yes,
you hadn't even You hadn't even lived in the in
the Kimpton Fitzroy in London for a couple of weeks.

Speaker 6 (24:19):
You either then I hadn't been on the back of
a motorcycle over in London either.

Speaker 2 (24:26):
That's true and.

Speaker 3 (24:27):
Evil what you know?

Speaker 2 (24:29):
Just think.

Speaker 1 (24:29):
I do feel like these seasons, like people say, they
move fast.

Speaker 2 (24:33):
I get it.

Speaker 1 (24:33):
At the end, you blink and it feels like it's over.
But it's like that feels like a million years ago.

Speaker 8 (24:37):
When you're in it.

Speaker 4 (24:38):
It is a different method of time somehow, like we're
in some other simulation while we're in it.

Speaker 8 (24:43):
But then after it's like, oh my gosh, that was quick.

Speaker 5 (24:46):
Maybe we are in back island. Oh my god, it's
like lost. Time has different.

Speaker 1 (24:50):
Don't give away potential surprise season finale, And yes we
do have some twists. One I will introduce to you
right now there is gonna be a function of the show.

Speaker 4 (25:05):
Greg by the way, is the producer of this, and
he's also a contestant.

Speaker 2 (25:10):
Josh, he's kind of an every power.

Speaker 3 (25:14):
Pots on the back end, he's also trying to place
Van Gali.

Speaker 1 (25:18):
I'm selling this the syndication. It's all happening.

Speaker 2 (25:21):
Okay, tell us about the twists.

Speaker 1 (25:23):
Okay, the rip. There is a new part of the
show called the Riptide and for the.

Speaker 2 (25:27):
Entire rest of the season.

Speaker 6 (25:29):
Excuse me, yes, oh my god, yeah, baby.

Speaker 5 (25:35):
Steve crawling to the.

Speaker 2 (25:36):
Bathroom thinks Dad, that's a granddad joke.

Speaker 3 (25:39):
That's good.

Speaker 2 (25:40):
You're absolutely right, Stafford. We might need to work.

Speaker 1 (25:43):
On the riptide one now because every time I hear it,
that's what I'm going to think about.

Speaker 3 (25:47):
The riptide.

Speaker 5 (25:48):
Oh all right, No, own the.

Speaker 3 (25:50):
Hot tub and autin powers each.

Speaker 1 (25:53):
One of you for the rest of this entire season
through the playoffs, and we will have a version of
it in the playoffs. You can and use one riptide
just once the whole rest of the season. That means
you have there's someone on the island that you are
taking off and there can be no argument to it,
so that the whole show could have just put them

(26:13):
onto the island and you could take them back off
one singular, one single player, and you can use it
this show if you want. You can use it next
time around. You can use it at the end of
the season. You can hold that card in your pocket.
You have a riptide card.

Speaker 3 (26:28):
Okay, we're dunking somebody in the shallow water, just.

Speaker 1 (26:31):
So that, like, if you feel that strong, and it
could be strategic too, you could hold that over someone,
you know, if you want to get what you want.

Speaker 2 (26:38):
Let's vote.

Speaker 1 (26:39):
So we just talked about the full screen. I mean,
we just talked about the Quarterback Island, the members that
are there. Now I think let's just start by introducing
who I would suggest just be locks to stay on
the island.

Speaker 2 (26:54):
Otherwise we're not going to vote until the very end
this time.

Speaker 3 (26:56):
All right, what you got sound?

Speaker 1 (26:58):
Why are you because we didn't I forgot to talk
about this with you before the show. That's all okay,
that we're not voting till the very end. I would
suggest there are six, probably seven locks to remain on
the island that don't need a lot of discussion. We
can talk about them just as players, but that they
remain on the island. Of the twelve current members that
are on the island right now, here is who I

(27:21):
suggest remain without a vote. Patrick Mahomes, Josh Allen MVP candidate,
Lamar Jackson, MVP candidate Joe Burrow playing well. Jaden Daniels
has done absolutely nothing to take him off the island
MVP candidate CJ. Stroud, and I would say since we

(27:43):
put Jared Goff on the island last time around, it's
hard to say the way that he's played since Week five,
there'd be any oh reason, no disagreement, possibly, are there
any disagreements even a c J.

Speaker 2 (27:55):
Stroud?

Speaker 1 (27:56):
No, no, okay, and any thought, So just any of
those guys you want to just get out there while we're.

Speaker 7 (28:02):
Here, found something interesting, you know. The difficult thing with
how with what's going on with c J. Stroud right
now is obviously his offensive line, particularly.

Speaker 5 (28:10):
In past protection.

Speaker 7 (28:12):
Next Gen stats found his pressure rate to be on
forty one percent of his dropbacks, which is the most
of any like if we're going to just like loosely
frame like a quality starter in the NFL right now.
But it's interesting when you compare that to the pressure
that Jared Goff is actually getting He's at now a

(28:32):
thirty four point four percent PRESSU rate. Some of that's
based on opponent recently and what they were trying to
do to him. He's right behind like a Gino Smith
for example, which we know his offensive line has also
been atrocious. And so I'm basically arguing, you know that
these are very two, very different teams and what the
Houston Texans are, what's happening to them right now, and
what we.

Speaker 5 (28:52):
Know the Lions, how we know them to be built.

Speaker 7 (28:54):
C J. Stroud is making the most out of what
is happening with him. But actually pressure is increase seeing
on Jared Goff because people are actually trying to see, oh,
is this the same Jared Goff who could get frazzled,
who would start playing worse once the pressure increased. But
he currently leads all qualified quarterbacks in yards per attempt,
completion percentage cpoe so completion yards over completion percentage over expected,

(29:18):
and passer rating when under pressure this season.

Speaker 8 (29:21):
They have the best offensive line the Lions, right.

Speaker 7 (29:23):
Yeah, but they're designing pressure appoints are designing pressure against
them differently now, So he is getting better left, but
he's managing pressure differently and just go back and watch
Lions Vikings.

Speaker 5 (29:34):
I'm kind of gonna throw out whatever last week was.
It was just fun. It was like an absurd box
score was hilarious.

Speaker 7 (29:39):
But when you go back, yeah, he threw three touchdowns
on fifteen pass. But when we're actually going back, like,
I don't really want to hear the Jared Goff pressure
argument at this moment right now from not at this table,
of course, not but externally because he's actually managing things
better when you go back and watch that game and
watch him orchestrate the line. The way that he did

(30:01):
that was really savvy, smart quarterback play, and it was
a veteran quarterback play where he's manipulating the pressure, not
the other way around. That's the difference in really sealing
him on this island right now for me, why I
don't think there's an argument even if there was, I
just don't think there should be.

Speaker 5 (30:18):
And similar to c. J.

Speaker 7 (30:19):
Stroud, the way he's playing in consideration of all the pressure.

Speaker 5 (30:22):
It's interesting.

Speaker 7 (30:23):
These are two very different situations and marginally like a
little bit of a different pressure rate here, but they're
both managing it to the best of their abilities, which
I think has actually increased in terms of what they're
able to do year over year.

Speaker 4 (30:35):
He stays on the island, his family can come as well,
like it pirks.

Speaker 6 (30:39):
But basically, Jordan saying is a nerve of Ben Johnson
taking the ball out of golf hands letting David Montgomery
throw it back, Like what the.

Speaker 2 (30:46):
Hell does have some funky numbers.

Speaker 1 (30:48):
He is just having like a bizarre season that he's
like twenty third in QBR and not in the top
twenty in PFF. It is an eyeball test of like
you watch CJ. Stroud and to me, it's just so
clear that he is one of the I would say
eight best quarterbacks in the league, So I don't need
to see the numbers. GOFF is having an incredible season
and but the numbers are a little bit all over

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the place. And part of that is situational that he's
in such advantageous situations. There's a stack called EPA plus
where it's like, based on the situation of the plays
that you have a positive of what's expected or not,
and he's averaging that. Part of that is because the
Lions are always in great situation. Yeah, GoF is taking
advantage of it. No argument, he's honest.

Speaker 5 (31:27):
Interesting finding here's one.

Speaker 6 (31:29):
I mean, this is just to be a jerk like
Patrick Mahonells like the dude, right, but he's got the
he got the lop sided touched on interception.

Speaker 2 (31:37):
Huh oh yeah, he's he touched.

Speaker 3 (31:38):
On his nine picks.

Speaker 6 (31:39):
It is crazy, right if we're talking about But now
here's the thing though, with two minutes with with a
minute thirty left in the game, do you want anybody else.

Speaker 3 (31:46):
On asylum but him?

Speaker 6 (31:47):
No, no, no, so and this is probably gonna flip
the more they could d hop and stuff in it.
But that to me, when you're looking at the guys
who are locks, if you just go statistically like he's receptions.

Speaker 7 (31:58):
He's vacillated to between like the fifteen to seventeen EPA
per dropback range to like as high as eight, and
the Chiefs are seven to zero. But their offense is
the second lowest EPA per game since twenty eighteen, and
their first lowest was in twenty twenty three by significant margin.
So caveat, caveat, caveat, what did they do in twenty
twenty three anyway, despite having that, But yeah, to your point,

(32:21):
it is really speaking of lopsided stats and lopsided numbers.

Speaker 5 (32:25):
He is certainly a descriptor of that.

Speaker 3 (32:27):
Yeah, plays they're getting ready to take off.

Speaker 1 (32:29):
You're not seeing the wild plays, but you're seeing the
This is why he does well in PFF, for instance,
versus other stuff, is because he's just getting little little gains,
little plusses every play. He's making smart decisions. You're not
seeing the big time throws. It is crazy, though, to
be in week eight and he has nine interceptions eight.
I'm not trying to be locked into that stat more
than others. All Right, Let's let's just throw the rest
of the guys in one big bucket, okay, And by

(32:52):
that I mean the players that we've decided are not
locks that were on the island, okay. And that's Dak
Press at Sam Darnold, it's Brock pretty you know Smith
and Matthew Stafford. But what I'm going to say is
that we're going to discuss all these guys and the
players who could potentially be added all as one. We're

(33:13):
not going to vote until the very end, so we're.

Speaker 8 (33:16):
Looking at me again.

Speaker 1 (33:17):
I'm just let's go over here.

Speaker 6 (33:21):
Time Jordan's Jordan's cord that's closer to him is actually, who.

Speaker 2 (33:28):
Do you want to talk about first? I want to
talk about someone not on the list.

Speaker 3 (33:30):
First.

Speaker 2 (33:31):
Let's talk Kirk Cousins. Let's just talk a little.

Speaker 5 (33:36):
I figured I thought, I think okay.

Speaker 1 (33:38):
Also, you guys are what making alliance as ahead of
time paranoid one of my two Okay, so what does
that mean, two guys.

Speaker 7 (33:47):
That you think you were present voting? You were present
for this conversation.

Speaker 2 (33:51):
This is not voting until the end.

Speaker 6 (33:52):
But what I'm saying, and I'm lobbing for Kirk Change, okay,
because you know, we come to your trap, we take
your trap. And that's exactly what he's going to do
to somebody on this island. Kirko Change is lit up
the bucks twice in the past three weeks, lit them up.
But now he's got Kyle pitchrolling. He's got this offense
functioning like they thought of. He stands in the pocket,
he doesn't move. But you look at Kirko's numbers. Number

(34:15):
he's a third ranked quarterback. He's got twenty one hundred
yards seven point eight yards attempt, that's one of the
best in the NFL. He's got the two to one
touchdown to interception ratio. But the last few weeks the
swag surfer. He's a surfer. He can surf.

Speaker 3 (34:30):
Onto the island. Oh god, oh my god, Kirko Change
has been doing it. I'm sorry.

Speaker 1 (34:37):
I mean his mobility is about the size of a surfboard.
Though we are looking at Kirk's scramble. If you're watching
on YouTube, you could measure it, you know how next
Gens that's usually does like the twenty two miles an hour.
They actually did that with like a sun dial with
Kirkin screen. They just put it upside down and that's
how it was a special.

Speaker 7 (34:55):
Next right, He's been really good against the Bucks and
then with who on defense exactly eight touchdowns against the Bucks,
six touchdowns against everybody else.

Speaker 5 (35:06):
Oh good stat.

Speaker 3 (35:07):
I love that.

Speaker 1 (35:08):
If he was only playing the Bucks, he'd definitely be
on it. Now some of the overall stats, like he
is sixth and completion percentage over expected, he's like, he's
that's he's on the island in all these advanced stats
where he's about eight to tenth or eleventh. And there
is something that I consider when it comes to quarterback island,
which is who is defining the position right now, there

(35:29):
is who matters tangible and everyone could be different. It's
it's a combination. Who's playing the best, But who's it
this season? And I gotta say stationary Kirk Cousins.

Speaker 3 (35:41):
He's it.

Speaker 1 (35:42):
I mean, you can't tell the story of this season
without Kirk Cousins. He is a huge figure. Maybe it's
all these primetime games or whatever, but he's given us
a lot of entertainment. He's in the mix, he's making
it good, he's making it happen. So I'm not sure
how I feel. That's what I say.

Speaker 2 (35:58):
I don't have a plan.

Speaker 1 (35:59):
I'm not sure how I feel, but he deserves strong consideration.

Speaker 7 (36:03):
Yeah, I I go back and forth because again, he
is such a statue and they clearly have had to
manipulate a bunch of what they do on offense in
order to That.

Speaker 1 (36:11):
Sort of makes it more impressive in a weird way,
that that he's still that productive, Like he's like Aaron Rodgers,
except actually good.

Speaker 7 (36:18):
I don't know, because they're actually they're just asking him
to get you know, some of these quick passes and
particularly efficient passes, and he's made some tough throws. Don't
get me wrong, but he's just like get the ball
into the hands of the playmakers. This is the same
argument that you potentially were knocking Rock Purty for at
the very beginning of this sea and time.

Speaker 3 (36:35):
In the name of Matthew Stafford and Dak.

Speaker 5 (36:37):
Prescott against them. No, no, trust me on that.

Speaker 2 (36:42):
I'm not.

Speaker 5 (36:43):
I'm just I'm bringing up a point, like.

Speaker 1 (36:45):
It's just pushbackers with you on that is, if you
made a reel of all these quarterbacks ten best throws
of the year, Kirk Cousins would be, you're the top
of the best. He has spun it this year, like
at a really impressive level. That reminded me like, this
guy is a natural throw of the field because it's
all he has left. So it's not all checkdowns Like

(37:08):
let's suck Baker then, because actually I kind of put
these two guys next to each other a little bit, okay,
because they've just played each other a couple of times.

Speaker 2 (37:14):
The numbers are crazy, leading the league in touchdown pass
close twenty one.

Speaker 1 (37:20):
Yeah, and they're actually also first in passing success rate. Now,
I thought last week was instructive. Everything is ten yards
or less, and when it's over that, it gets nasty
and some of the advanced numbers sixteenth in QBR nineteenth
and completion percentage over expected. It says, maybe it's more
about the offense and the receivers than it is about Baker.

Speaker 4 (37:39):
What do you think about the Baker cr I mean,
I think Baker just based on his numbers, he has
a shot to be on there.

Speaker 8 (37:45):
But I don't know who who would you take off staff?

Speaker 3 (37:49):
We're gonna we're gonna go. We're going through all of them.

Speaker 6 (37:51):
But what you just said, it may be more about
the offense negative. If you watch Bucks games, Baker has driven, yeah,
a lot of this offense.

Speaker 5 (37:59):
He pushes the ball.

Speaker 3 (38:00):
He has been fantastic.

Speaker 8 (38:01):
He's got that moxie.

Speaker 3 (38:02):
He's got that moxie.

Speaker 6 (38:03):
But I mean, I'm just saying, with what they've tried
to do, whether it be quick game, whether he's pushing
the ball down the field, he is the reason why
their offense is working now four.

Speaker 1 (38:11):
Weeks I disagree. I think it's the offensive line and
the receivers and that.

Speaker 6 (38:15):
They don't have any I totally beg you watch That's
what I'm saying.

Speaker 3 (38:20):
Four weeks or not, Baker's on, Baker's not going to
be on.

Speaker 6 (38:23):
I kind of feel like we'll talk about in the moment,
like he's going to be a past tense guy in
a couple of weeks just because of the lack of weapons.

Speaker 7 (38:31):
Yeah, and I agree with you on that, Steve, because
and that's why I would put if you have Kirk
and Baker clustered together, That's why I would assent put Kirk,
because it's like it's like it's like a star sign
or a horoscope. It's Kirk Cousins ascending, you know, and
Baker Mayfield descending or someone's moon is in sagittarius or whatever,
and so I don't know, and so but I but

(38:52):
I do think that's that's what I one of the
things that I factored in, not necessarily projecting for the
sake of projecting, but also who is catching fire at
the right time, who is continuing to, you know, make
these plays.

Speaker 5 (39:05):
Kirk Cousins. You cannot argue with that. Baker. I'm more
skeptical now than I would have been two and.

Speaker 3 (39:09):
A half week.

Speaker 1 (39:10):
So to be fair, I don't want to be a
victim of just last week Kirk. Kirk had a rough
game against Seattle. That's just two weeks ago. But the
fact that Baker team was Baker and Kirk went against
each other twice.

Speaker 2 (39:19):
Split Yeah, against the Bucks and then everyone else.

Speaker 1 (39:22):
The fact that they went against each other though twice,
and Kirk looked better and both of those matchups weren't
thrown like head scratching interceptions in both of those matchups. Rather,
Baker didn't the first time around, he did last time,
and he's had two straight rights of that.

Speaker 2 (39:34):
That that to me gives in ed. Let's talk about
one of the guys. How about I'm gonna throw one out.

Speaker 4 (39:38):
Real quick, because this would really change the dynamic of
the island in general. If we put Aaron Rodgers on
the island, the psychedelics that would happen on this island.

Speaker 8 (39:50):
Would be insane.

Speaker 2 (39:51):
Imagine the possibilities.

Speaker 4 (39:53):
You have all of these quarterbacks that should be on
Quarterback Island, and then you bring in Aaron Rodgers.

Speaker 5 (39:59):
It would be good for exactly Well, you're the producer.

Speaker 7 (40:02):
This is about the time you throw in a giant
house twist, right, you drop some villain into the house
house twist everyone.

Speaker 3 (40:09):
That's the rip Tide.

Speaker 1 (40:10):
You guys could use it today if you wanted we
that would be amazing. If Rogers was on there and
everyone was mad and as a riptidere's he's so the
shaman for everyone. I don't think he's been as bad
as people want to make us be. That said, he's
either amazing or looking like he's forty six years old, like,

(40:30):
and there's no one between, and there's too much of
the forty six year old.

Speaker 5 (40:34):
I'll tell you how I'm voting right now. I'm not
putting him on the island.

Speaker 7 (40:37):
Just because this is not a serious no no right
for sure, but just when you when you yeah, for
the sake of the conversation, you know, I think I
just do think that, Like when you go out and
get a quarterback like that, you expect them to consistently
play at a level that elevates the entire roster, right,
and that is the message that you're sending. And if

(40:58):
you are a little st on the streakier side, if
you also can't move, but you're not necessarily also elevating
everybody else around you, whether it's from a personal like
I mean, there's just been chaos over the last couple.

Speaker 4 (41:11):
Who we have the TNF preview coming up too, so
like I mean, there's a ton to talk about with
the Jets.

Speaker 1 (41:17):
Good, good point, Rogers. We'll bring him up for a
vote later, but I think he's facing it up.

Speaker 6 (41:22):
Put the Colleen balloon out here. If we're going that way,
Jamis would be the most fun person.

Speaker 4 (41:26):
Oh my god, Yes, Jamis quoting eminem I can't.

Speaker 8 (41:31):
I just love everything?

Speaker 3 (41:34):
Yes, who is mate?

Speaker 1 (41:35):
Maybe he'll be here in four weeks we'll be talking
about Russell Wilson and Jamis Winston.

Speaker 2 (41:39):
No, that would be perfect. What year is it? Let's talk.

Speaker 1 (41:43):
Let's talk Stafford, one of the guys that was on
it right now, coming off his best game of the season.
If he didn't have that performance on Thursday night, he
would have a tough case. But you get your receivers
back and you play better. And we thought he was
worthy in the first four weeks, Like, like.

Speaker 6 (42:00):
My only issue with him, because remember I fought against him,
had nothing to do with him necessarily. It's just the
other guys. I thought we're playing better with him. That's
the only argument I would make right now, you talk
about the ascending players, I mean we we saw Matt
Stafford do that Thursday night.

Speaker 3 (42:13):
He looked like, oh yeah, he got.

Speaker 4 (42:14):
A care package on the island with Pooka and.

Speaker 1 (42:17):
Cooper, right, is is QB island about projection though? Or
is what you've done this season? And it can't just be.

Speaker 3 (42:24):
I, P and F. That's that's the argument.

Speaker 6 (42:26):
That's just like the hundred best players at twenty twenty five,
we're not talking about past. We're talking about what's gonna happen.
It's a projection or past. So you know, this is
tough because there are there are three dudes who I
think could really push to get on. That's why I
think Matthew Stafford is still on the on the teeter totter.

Speaker 1 (42:41):
This Okay, it's gonna be close, and yet he does
not farewell to PFF's overall grades, which in theory should
remove like the surroundings, but doesn't. Really it's impossible to
do twenty ninth, he's eleventh in QBR twenty fifth and
completion percentage over expected.

Speaker 2 (42:55):
So we'll see.

Speaker 1 (42:56):
How about Darnold. He got on last time around. He's
only played three games since. One was a win where
he played terribly against the Jets in London where he
really dragged them down. I thought he had a couple
of plays and then there was a couple of losses
where I don't think he was the problem. No, but
he wasn't exactly. It wasn't necessarily the solution. Maybe not

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quarterback island worthy.

Speaker 2 (43:21):
What do you think?

Speaker 4 (43:23):
I feel like he should still be on quarterback island
and that he's being judged on his name and not
his play.

Speaker 8 (43:29):
As Chris Wesseling would say, when you look.

Speaker 4 (43:32):
At his first four games, Darnold obviously completed sixty eight
percent of his passes league high eleven touchdowns, three interceptions.
He was throwing the ball downfield an average depth of
target of.

Speaker 8 (43:42):
Eight point eight.

Speaker 4 (43:43):
But obviously then came the horror show in London against
the Jets.

Speaker 2 (43:47):
They watched it.

Speaker 4 (43:48):
That was the worst game for him of the season.
But the last two weeks he's completing seventy six percent
of his passes, four hundred and ninety nine yards, three touchdowns,
one interception. He's getting hit a ton and he's you're old,
they're winning is what we're winning?

Speaker 3 (44:02):
What do your eyes tell you?

Speaker 2 (44:03):
Though?

Speaker 1 (44:03):
Like to me, it's like, if you're going to be
on the island, you've got to be a difference maker.
Is he a difference maker? Is he going up and down?
What his surroundings are numbers why sixteenth and PFF twentieth
over the last four weeks, thirteenth in QBR. He also
doesn't throw the ball that much, which kind of matters
to me, like guys who maybe have to do more
twelfth and success rate fifteenth and epa. So what that

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would say is like he's sort of on the borderline
despite a good situation, even statistic.

Speaker 7 (44:31):
You're reaching the part of the Sam Darnold gear. You've
seen this sometimes with quarterbacks in the past, and there's
no reason to think that he can't progress forward after
sort of hitting a neutral zone a little bit with
what he's doing right now. But you're reaching the part
of it's not bad, but it's also not elevating. It's
being elevated by and that's fine, especially in the middle
portion of the year when it's the weather starts to change,

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when you start to figure things out after a couple
of bad losses. Losing his left tackle when we talk
about ascending or losing the left tackle is going to.

Speaker 3 (44:59):
Be really tough because they left that was really good.

Speaker 7 (45:01):
Yeah, and so but I think you're starting to see
the version of Sam Darnald and you expected this to
be coming. This is not a bad thing where Kevin
ok the Kevin O'Connell factor, and leaning on the offensive
coordinator and leaning on excuse me on the on the
play caller and the game designer to and the playmakers
around to now lift the quarterback just a little bit
higher where he's not, like I said, not bad, but

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just sort of in that neutrality point, that that sort
of middle median zone where you're not necessarily the one
elevating the team around you.

Speaker 6 (45:30):
I like that argument because so many other people I
think should be on put him at a risk.

Speaker 3 (45:35):
Yeah, that's the thing point.

Speaker 1 (45:38):
And sometimes the stats I think Sam Sam Donald's passing,
like basic passing that's always look a little better. It's
kind of like Russell wasn't because the things he struggles
with are he take he fumbles the ball, He takes
too many sacks like that safety that should have been
called the penalty. He should have not been holding the
ball so long on that play. That was bad quarterback.
And he's just sitting back there. That twenty yard sack

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that he took earlier in that Thursday was a good
Those don't show up in the box scores necessarily. How
about Jalen Hurts your guy in Philly coming off one
of his best games.

Speaker 2 (46:08):
Of his career. Yeah, that was a great season.

Speaker 1 (46:12):
Thrown over the middle of the field and on design
runs like the two things that you get on him for,
and he played great. They're playing better overall. I mean,
I think he deserves that game conversation.

Speaker 4 (46:22):
He had his highest passer rating, three rushing touchdowns. He
has five rushing touchdowns in the last two games. The
Eagles have won three straight games, and he's dealing with
Nick Sirianni on top of all of them.

Speaker 8 (46:34):
So I think that he deserves a ticket to the Island.

Speaker 7 (46:39):
Question for the group, how many games per sample size
are in our quarterback Island selections?

Speaker 2 (46:44):
Oh, the whole season.

Speaker 5 (46:45):
But when we were talking.

Speaker 7 (46:46):
About how we section out splits things like that, it's
we go four games at a time, right, So that's
it's a hypothetical question.

Speaker 1 (46:52):
Since last time, I'm personally taking the whole season into account,
but kind of recapping what's happened since last time and
added to the mix.

Speaker 5 (46:59):
Right, Well, that was.

Speaker 7 (47:00):
A hypothetical, but I'm using it to say over the
last three games, not just the last game, but the
last three games have been some of the best Jalen
Hurts football that we've seen in a while. He's third
in EPA per dropback over the last three games, and
he has nine touchdowns. He's forty two for fifty nine
with no interceptions, seventy one point two percent complete completion percentage,

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and they have their run game going and he's managing
some of the things that are necessary for them to
have this balanced offense again despite some of.

Speaker 5 (47:31):
The circumstances that they went through earlier.

Speaker 7 (47:33):
So I would say, like, it's not just the one
game that's spiking his case.

Speaker 5 (47:38):
I think it's three games.

Speaker 1 (47:39):
I pushed back a little because I think the two
previous were not good Jalen Hurts. They were good statistically,
but he's seeing the field and they are transitioning to
a run first type.

Speaker 5 (47:48):
Of I think he was seeing it a little bit slow,
a little bit.

Speaker 1 (47:50):
Slower right, not like open receivers and not taking it,
and like, like, I have a feeling he didn't grade
that well within the team in those couple games. I
have a tough one with him because I like him
a lot. He's coming off a good game, but I
also see that he's maybe not the most important person
in the happy.

Speaker 6 (48:08):
I'm with you on that, and that's that's why I'm like,
he was great, you know, and having a j Brown
back makes all of a difference. Right We're seeing these
quarterbacks getting their number one receivers back Matthew Stafford and
playing well. But I just coming off a great game.
But the other two people in Philadelphia were still ready
to run him out the door.

Speaker 8 (48:26):
No, not him.

Speaker 3 (48:27):
They were not loving it.

Speaker 4 (48:28):
I mean it was It was a lot of Sirianni.
It was a lot of the coaching staff. That was
a lot of the Kellen Moore in the play calling.

Speaker 2 (48:34):
I'm happy for Nick Sirianni to have this is it.

Speaker 1 (48:36):
This is the first week of the entire season where
he can be like, yeah, that's the main story.

Speaker 7 (48:45):
On No.

Speaker 2 (48:45):
Probably not.

Speaker 1 (48:46):
He's like like, no one's gonna make fun of my
haircut anymore.

Speaker 3 (48:50):
All right, let's talk. He's on the fence. If we
pull enough people off, he gets on. Okay, I've got
some other people.

Speaker 1 (48:55):
Okay, Dak is a guy we're not voting on right now.
But I don't think I'm out of pocket to say,
of all the guys who have been on, he's vulnerable.

Speaker 5 (49:04):
I think he's very vulnerable.

Speaker 1 (49:05):
Okay, explain anyone want to explain why you think he's vulnerable.

Speaker 6 (49:10):
I mean, what are they got going on? I mean,
he hasn't been horrible, but we talk about difference makers. Yeah, yeah, again,
not all that's on him. He's got Cede Lamb and.

Speaker 1 (49:22):
Exactly and the numbers, so I don't think he's playing well.

Speaker 2 (49:26):
I think you can.

Speaker 4 (49:28):
He has one game with a one hundred passer rating
and the rest are sub ninety two.

Speaker 2 (49:31):
The numbers are brutal for him.

Speaker 1 (49:33):
Twenty sixth PFF, twenty third QBR, twenty eighth EPA per play,
twenty ninth success rate, like.

Speaker 2 (49:40):
Not even in the zip code.

Speaker 1 (49:41):
Now, I think he's better than all that, but I
do believe in Dak press got enough that he should
be better than this.

Speaker 2 (49:48):
I think it's the worst he's played as a pro.

Speaker 3 (49:51):
Really.

Speaker 1 (49:52):
I guess a couple of years ago he had some interceptions,
but I think he was playing well and having some
bad luck and making some mistakes.

Speaker 2 (49:58):
This time, it's just.

Speaker 7 (50:00):
I would sort of add to that point to being like,
you can ask your quarterback if you are an above
average to elite level quarterback, somewhere in that window or
that that general tier. You can ask your quarterback to
do a lot of things for you, and they did.
And you saw he made the most of the situation
earlier in the season. It's part of the reason why
he's on the island in the first place. But if
you take away this guy's defense and you continue to

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stall out and just like have a disgusting run game,
it just doesn't move the ball. If you're not moving
the ball, if you have no other weapons, if you
have no other weapons, and then the guy you do
have it's every week or so, it just depends. Is
he a match for the scheme, what's going on with
the scheme? If you have the owner on the radio

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calling out bad scheme and bad plays, if you have
different things, you're taking so much away from this guy.
You're asking him to be a superhero, and at some
point you just hit a wall. You're probably you know what,
I wouldn't be surprised. They're different quarterbacks, but I very
different quarterbacks. But I wouldn't be surprised if at some
point across the end of the stretch you also see

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Joe Burrow hit some kind of a wall. You're asking
too much, just because these guys can do these things,
doesn't mean they have to do or should have to
do all of it. And you have to get him
some help, whether wherever, on which side of the ball.

Speaker 5 (51:15):
Pick one.

Speaker 1 (51:16):
Well, I think he's going to need a realtor soon.
He's got a you know, a burgeoning family, and I
think he's renting on quarterback island right.

Speaker 8 (51:23):
Now, gonna AIRBNBA.

Speaker 1 (51:24):
Maybe let's talk about someone we're not going to go
deep into. I just want to give Trevor Lawrence some
pop up having a nice couple of weeks. If he
plays like he played the last three weeks for four
more weeks in a row, we'll be talking him out
of more in depth next time.

Speaker 2 (51:37):
On quarterback.

Speaker 3 (51:38):
If Brian Thomas is legit, now.

Speaker 1 (51:40):
He's not a risk. He's not getting on the island though.
Now how about Kyler?

Speaker 6 (51:44):
Okay, I was banging for him last time, right, what's
he done? They're playing better football. We're talking about as
sending players. We're talking about quarterbacks uplifting everybody else. Everyone's
jock riding him. Yes, I'm using that expression right now.
Everybody's fantasy guy. Oh G, who's throwing him the ball?

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Who's making things happen with him, Marvin Harrison getting some
things done.

Speaker 3 (52:11):
Kyler Murray.

Speaker 6 (52:14):
We can sit here and argue about all that when
you look how Kyler Murray has been playing, running the ball,
throwing the ball, getting this offense going. Guess who's guess
who's in the hunt now for the NFC West.

Speaker 7 (52:25):
They're a top ten offense now, Yes, e P. Tyler,
Greg and I were texting about this because we believed
in the Cardinals offense as much as they've disappointed us
and let us down and made some questionable decisions and
play calls at certain points. When Kyler, to your point,
is involved in the run surface, not necessarily designed runs,
but when he gets involved gram in the run surface,

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this is a totally different team. Trey McBride being back,
James Connor, some people believed in him the entire time.
It just he When you have all of these elements
mixed in and this and the play caller is making
efficient sound decisions and personnel decisions in terms of the
formations and the groupings, this is again a futuristic offense

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in twenty twenty four.

Speaker 4 (53:10):
Yeah, and there would be a burgeoning gaming community on.

Speaker 3 (53:16):
Sounds, some psychedelics.

Speaker 5 (53:18):
Video games and mushrooms, Colleen in this island sounds amazing.

Speaker 1 (53:25):
I love that he's seventh in PFF. His like advanced
passing metrics are all about borderline of what would be
on the island somewhere, you know, depending on what you like,
ninth to fourteenth, something like that. But then when you
add in the rushing value, you add not a lot
of negative plays, not like fumbles are interceptions. I think
the biggest negative to him is I think sometimes their

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coordinator is like, can you just run the play that well?
And that has some fluctuations, Like if we had this
conversation a couple of weeks ago would be there's fluctuations.
But we're coming off a game where he was spinning
it against Miami and those look like the plays that
were called really nice throws. There is something about the
whole like defining the season to me. The fact that

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he's called his shot on about three or four long
touchdowns forty yards out. Love that that gives him a
little extra juice. Perdy hasn't had a lot of juice
this year, and maybe we didn't even maybe he could
have been in the safe category, but been a little.

Speaker 2 (54:22):
Rickety over the last four weeks.

Speaker 1 (54:24):
So I just thought we'd we'd throw him out here,
but a very solid I've got.

Speaker 3 (54:29):
Bad, I've got Brocks back here.

Speaker 6 (54:31):
He's the way the stuff he's done with with Jennings
and the in and out cast receivers, and he's still
he's still getting after it. We saw him run the ball.
You added what'd you call it? The run surface value?

Speaker 3 (54:42):
Jordan. I look this dude, this dude.

Speaker 6 (54:45):
We could put him on any of these teams that
the other guys in the Quarterback Island are doing.

Speaker 3 (54:49):
And he's playing ball.

Speaker 2 (54:50):
I gotta stay.

Speaker 7 (54:51):
Yeah, and I don't think And you saw this, you
know when he fell on the on the potential. I
mean he got hit so hard. He should have fumbled
that ball on Sunday night. And was it Monday night,
Sunday night, Monday night against the time one base Time
has no meaning anymore, especially on the island. No, but
he like the the they already have made enough, you know,
whether it is. And my colleague Marcus Thompson wrote about

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this over the Athletic Great Legendary Columnist, and he's commenting
on the fact that, you know, Rock Purty hasn't played
at an elite level the entire time. He's made the
most of a complete opposite ethos that this team had
to play with. Whether it was the beginning of the
year then he had some rough spots, but wasn't necessarily
like a detriment or pulling back the team.

Speaker 2 (55:35):
The Machafe game was the one negative.

Speaker 3 (55:39):
Right.

Speaker 7 (55:39):
The mistakes and the self inflicted wounds are coming from
elsewhere in the house for the most part, right, And
so even when there was an opportunity for him to
really look lost when letting go that football on the sack,
he didn't.

Speaker 5 (55:52):
He held on.

Speaker 7 (55:53):
And so what Marcus was saying is he's sort of
embodying how they have to just like gut through some
of this stuff and mitigate the huge issues until they
can get this thing clicking back. And he's been the
right quarterback for them to do it.

Speaker 3 (56:04):
Yeah, here's here's an interesting question.

Speaker 6 (56:06):
You know, because you know Brock Parties gonna be the
next up to make the sixty million dollars a year.

Speaker 3 (56:11):
Do you think that's a wise investment?

Speaker 6 (56:12):
Because I do, Because to your point, Jordan, he's not
the guy who's going to pull you back now, is
he necessarily going to be the guy to lead you
to the Promised Land.

Speaker 3 (56:21):
Maybe think things things have to work all round.

Speaker 4 (56:23):
Him would do that because after what he went through
before Free Lance.

Speaker 6 (56:28):
I'm just kind of to me, that's a that's as
safe as an investment as you can make.

Speaker 3 (56:32):
And give him Block Party that money.

Speaker 1 (56:33):
I think so too. And and he's young. It's tricky,
but he already took him to the promised Land. As
far as I'm concerned, he was in spots where he
needed touchdown after touchdown after touchdown. The NFC Championship got it,
needed scores on drive after driving after driving, the Super
Bowl got it. His defense let him down like it
is what it is, otherwise he'd be the Super Bowl champion.
He he did pull things off the table against the Chiefs,

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one of the worst games I've ever seen brock pre
But there's been eight games here, yeah, in the season,
and I agree with everything else that we're being said.
So fifth in PFF actually higher this year in PFF
than he was a year ago, ninth in QBR. Over all,
the numbers are pretty good for Brocky.

Speaker 3 (57:11):
And you didn't have him as a lock. You didn't have.

Speaker 2 (57:13):
Maybe he should have been a lock. I just respect.
I just figured we should talk about him, Jordan.

Speaker 1 (57:18):
Jordan Love is an almost impossible guy to talk about
right now, because it is impossible.

Speaker 4 (57:22):
You're right, people, people want to go on vacation with
a groin injury, right Noboddy defeats the whole purpose.

Speaker 5 (57:30):
Somehow our two sentences connected with each other.

Speaker 3 (57:34):
Oh God, I was so ready.

Speaker 5 (57:38):
Greig's ready to be done with us.

Speaker 2 (57:40):
No, I love it, you know, I love groin injuries.

Speaker 3 (57:45):
He clearly have never had one, because I've had one.

Speaker 1 (57:48):
Greg, So I was ready to make a case for Love,
you know, to make a case for him to be
on the island. Then he got hurt halfway through the game,
and it' said this other just in tween because he
might end up playing this week and it ends up
being fine. But already he had a weird case for

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quarterback island, because I think you're having to look past
some of the numbers to me and trust what your
eyes are, which is that he is the most confident
quarterback in the league. He is making some of the
toughest throws week after week after week, and style points
count a little bit. Yeah, It's like, it's not like
the numbers are bad. He's got fifteen touchdowns, and he
missed a couple of games, and and he's completing passes

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down the field like he's very aesthetically pleasing to one.

Speaker 6 (58:32):
But how good of a coach is Matt Laflor and
that offensive staff because Malik Willis. Malik Willis has come in,
won a game, came in that game and bold.

Speaker 7 (58:40):
Yeah, nine touchdowns, five interceptions over the last four game.
Obviously some of its injury whatever, but like I do
worry about the injury. I kind of neutralized him on
this particular in this conversation to kill people for injuries.

Speaker 2 (58:54):
Yeah, I'm not neutered him neutralized right, Ye, here we go.

Speaker 4 (58:58):
It's been interesting against the Blitz though, Like under pressure,
he's I mean, obviously every quarterback is different under pressure,
but he's thirty first in EPA when being Blitz this season, so,
I mean, he's slightly better than Deshaun Watson, but worse
than Gardner Minshew.

Speaker 1 (59:16):
Some of the advanced numbers aren't great for him. I
think he does better on the eye test.

Speaker 6 (59:22):
Lan's numbers, though, what about your boy Gino? Okay, okay,
the yard is totals are beautiful, but getting in the
end zone, I.

Speaker 7 (59:28):
Hope he's doing okay. He's just been hit a lot,
a lot of sunburns.

Speaker 2 (59:33):
He has been hit a lot.

Speaker 1 (59:34):
Like he's number one in you know, positive vp A
like plus one positive, he's first in positive EPA, which
which was the one I mentioned earlier, which is like
it accounts for the situation. How many positive plays have
you had considering the situation that you're in, And he's
first in the league and that other stuff not so
great like EPA for play eleventh, sixteenth in PFF over

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the last four like eleventh over our fourteenth in QUBR.
He's on that borderline. My argument would be would be
the ultimate just kind of watching him on a play
to play basis, he feels like one of the best
twelve quarterbacks in Yeah.

Speaker 3 (01:00:09):
He is.

Speaker 6 (01:00:09):
I just do that out there because the stats don't.
I mean, besides, I think he's borderline.

Speaker 1 (01:00:13):
Even as a fan, I don't think he's like definitely
on there.

Speaker 7 (01:00:17):
I think he's kind of where we were talking about
Stafford last time, and some of it was situational contact context.
That stat that you mentioned, like, let's dig into that
a little bit better, because what that stat actually says
is you are lifting this much despite the fact that
in so many other major categories of this offense, you
are at the floor. So because it factors in situational context.

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So it's basically saying, here's the level of hero ball
you are playing. And I think that that's important to
factor in because first of all, that's not sustainable and
you could see that they're starting to really struggle. But
second of all, even though he's still playing, I think
like a top twelve quarterback to our point in the
NFL four weeks from now, let's check on it again.

Speaker 6 (01:01:02):
Yeah, can I throw one out there that's a total
wild card that I would love that.

Speaker 2 (01:01:05):
I thought were almost out of it. I have one.

Speaker 3 (01:01:07):
What about bon Nicks?

Speaker 5 (01:01:09):
Okay, oh you watched a lot of Bonis, haven't you.

Speaker 6 (01:01:11):
I mean, he's not he's not dazzling, but we're talking
about uplifting your team. I think he is in the
he's in the next time category discussion.

Speaker 1 (01:01:19):
No, he's in the get a nice little shout out
from Steve Wish at minute fifty five. Yees, you know,
but not way to push it really, Like, I mean,
he played, he played well against Carolina. He's passing the
test of like, are you an NFL quarterback or not.
He is, which is to me like, if you're protective,
can you deliver?

Speaker 2 (01:01:40):
And he is.

Speaker 5 (01:01:41):
But we're talking about great against the worst defense.

Speaker 3 (01:01:44):
What about Sean Payton that take? Yeah, we knew that
offense we're playing wasn't very good.

Speaker 2 (01:01:49):
Played better. There's there's there's something there. I don't know
what it is that there's something there.

Speaker 5 (01:01:55):
He doesn't say stuff like that without a reason.

Speaker 1 (01:01:57):
Justin Herbert is the last I think name we got
to talk about were in depth before.

Speaker 8 (01:02:02):
Justin Herbert. He's lost at sea is he?

Speaker 5 (01:02:05):
You know, he's built.

Speaker 7 (01:02:06):
He's floating on his own little Herbie Island and hoping
for a strong current to float him all the way
up to Quarterback Island.

Speaker 5 (01:02:13):
And I think he can do it.

Speaker 4 (01:02:14):
It goes back to the point that you made weeks
ago that Jim Harball is hiding his best aspect, which
is his arm.

Speaker 8 (01:02:22):
He has a cannon.

Speaker 4 (01:02:24):
He's twenty second in the league in attempts.

Speaker 2 (01:02:27):
Here's the thing, it's getting better though. It's we're trending.

Speaker 1 (01:02:30):
We're trending better the last since the bye.

Speaker 2 (01:02:33):
I want to see him on the island. Yeah, I
would love for him to be there.

Speaker 1 (01:02:37):
I look at the numbers and it's like, oh wow,
he only has one interception.

Speaker 2 (01:02:40):
That's very Justin Herbert.

Speaker 1 (01:02:41):
He is combining being careful with I think the last
three weeks starting to be aggressive. When he had that
run and he was galloping out there like he was
in the Kentucky Derby or something, I was like, ooh,
I haven't seen that out of Justin Herbert for a while.
And he's ripping some greate one on one Froz Pete.
I think now he is passing the eye test and

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and the production test.

Speaker 3 (01:03:06):
And they're in the playoffs, They're in the thick. They're
in the thick of it.

Speaker 1 (01:03:08):
It's a snaff side of right now too when we're
talking quarterback Island, and for what it's worth, I broke
it down to just weeks five through eight. He only
played three of those games because there's a bye week
in there. He is PFF's number one quarterback over that time.
Because you just don't see negative plays out of him
right now.

Speaker 3 (01:03:22):
Just you know he's got more pass attempts at Jared Golf.

Speaker 5 (01:03:25):
Really, that's the thing well talk about last week.

Speaker 6 (01:03:29):
I mean, I mean that's absolutely skewed the numbers last
week that's how crazy.

Speaker 5 (01:03:33):
We loved that box score so much.

Speaker 3 (01:03:34):
I mean, look, he hasn't but here's the thing.

Speaker 6 (01:03:36):
He hasn't played in every game, and he plays in
a run centric golfen yeah.

Speaker 7 (01:03:39):
Yeah, And and he's been really let down by his receivers.
We mentioned this two weeks ago. His receivers dropped seven passes.
Seven passes, I mean, and that was a game that
like nobody in the world watched, but it was he
was spinning it. And so this he's playing like we
know him to play. He's sort of doing it kind
of like on Herbie Island, like in a vacuum.

Speaker 5 (01:03:57):
And I do think that at the beginning.

Speaker 7 (01:03:58):
Of the year, we do have to act in the
fact that they were, and they have since alluded to
this a few times publicly, they were playing a very
different style of offense in part to help mitigate the
injury and the pain that he's dealing with. So I
do think, again, if we're going to talk about, first
of all, sample size, which I thought.

Speaker 5 (01:04:16):
We weren't doing that, but where are we are?

Speaker 3 (01:04:17):
And I'm just.

Speaker 5 (01:04:18):
Kidding, I want to do it.

Speaker 3 (01:04:19):
For Herbert's climate. Climbing the coconut tree.

Speaker 2 (01:04:25):
Where they're playing right now.

Speaker 7 (01:04:26):
I just I'm trying to rally up Greg, but just
in terms of the sample size of actually healthy Herbert
playing in an iteration of this offense that is sort
of developing toward what it's going to be, and factoring
at the beginning you were dealing with the injury.

Speaker 5 (01:04:40):
Like I'm ready to see Herbert on the island.

Speaker 3 (01:04:42):
Okay, so this is right.

Speaker 6 (01:04:44):
So this goes back when I covered the Dolphins and
Jimmy Johnson first took over. He has Dan Marino, all
these great receivers, and he runs the ball like you've
got a dude who can do it, who can fling it,
who can do all those great things.

Speaker 3 (01:04:55):
But you're giving it to kream Abdul Jabbar the running back.

Speaker 6 (01:04:57):
Version, instead of throwing it up to all the other guys.
That's kind of what's going on with Herbert in a
competitor like hell, man, if.

Speaker 7 (01:05:06):
If you had let Marina throw it, maybe Stafford wouldn't
have passed him this last week.

Speaker 5 (01:05:12):
I got it, I might have to take him off
the island, so I had to give him that.

Speaker 1 (01:05:15):
Let know, let's talk Stafford, Let's talk Herbert. There's about
ten guys we're not gonna talk Rogers.

Speaker 2 (01:05:20):
We kind of did it. We're not going to vote
on Lawrence.

Speaker 1 (01:05:22):
We're not going to vote on Caleb Williams or Russell
Wilson or your.

Speaker 2 (01:05:26):
Guy Bo Nicks. We got about ten guys to vote on.
Let's do that.

Speaker 7 (01:05:29):
After the d.

Speaker 2 (01:05:46):
We are back on Quarterback Island.

Speaker 3 (01:05:48):
Let's get it.

Speaker 2 (01:05:49):
We've reached the voting portion of the program.

Speaker 1 (01:05:53):
Your hand is getting Steve White, That's what I was
giving away his moves between the breaks, saying he only
is kicking two people off. He's letting two people on
before Jordan's wondering if it's possible that the size of
Quarterback Island could be reduced at some point.

Speaker 5 (01:06:13):
You still haven't answered the question.

Speaker 3 (01:06:15):
We are.

Speaker 1 (01:06:15):
We are voting for twelve members of Quarterback Island, and
we've already put seven on. It sounded like brock Purty
didn't really need a vote, So I guess I'll vote
on Rock just to make this quick, and we all
make sure you vote out loud, because this is the
rock audio medium. Yes, yes, okay, So we now have

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four spots left on the island. You know, we've got
the guys that were on there before, and I think
we're going to vote on Herbert Love, Hurt's cousins, Baker
Kyler are all there. So that's a total of ten
guys for four spots. And I'll start with Dak Prescott
because that one seemed like of all the guys that

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were on the islandland, he was in the most amount
of trouble.

Speaker 2 (01:07:03):
It's nothing personal.

Speaker 8 (01:07:04):
That a clean sweep.

Speaker 2 (01:07:07):
Colleen, what is your answer?

Speaker 8 (01:07:08):
No, he's out, he's got to go.

Speaker 3 (01:07:11):
It's not the place gaming either.

Speaker 5 (01:07:13):
And we want better for you.

Speaker 1 (01:07:15):
Yeah, we we want more for you. It was a
great eight week run or whatever it was. You you
were there in the preseason.

Speaker 4 (01:07:21):
I hope you don't get replaced by another NFC East quarterback.

Speaker 1 (01:07:24):
Okay, no, something tells me that you're not there. I
feel like a four is hidden. Interesting, interesting, all right,
so you know where he's Dak is is gone.

Speaker 3 (01:07:38):
We now ding Dingy's coming for Dad.

Speaker 1 (01:07:41):
We now have nine guys for those four spots. I
was pleasantly surprised by how encouraging you guys were about Gino.
I thought you didn't really like me or necessarily like
Gino that much.

Speaker 2 (01:07:56):
I'm going to bring up Gino for vote.

Speaker 1 (01:07:58):
I'm saying yes, it wasn't the best four week stretch.
I don't think he did enough to get kicked off
the island. I think he's one of the twelve best
quarterbacks in the NFL. I vote yes, Steve, he's a
he's a keeper.

Speaker 6 (01:08:08):
I told you I only got two guys coming off
in Geno.

Speaker 3 (01:08:10):
Ain't one? Oh?

Speaker 2 (01:08:10):
Okay, Jordan rod Rieg, whoop's wrong? One? She votes yes, yes, but.

Speaker 5 (01:08:19):
We'll see by the okay's.

Speaker 3 (01:08:20):
It's a soft yes wolf.

Speaker 8 (01:08:22):
Yeah, I'm going yes.

Speaker 2 (01:08:23):
Well, okay, so Gino is watching. We have nine eyes
on him.

Speaker 1 (01:08:28):
Nine men on the island because I wasn't feeling a
lot of appreciation here for the groin injury. Let's talk
Jordan Love. Does anyone want to vote yes on Jordan Love?
Jordan Love? We have a no from Steve Weiss. No,
remember to speak your vote out there.

Speaker 3 (01:08:48):
I have a no. I have a no. You narrated
by no, So I left no.

Speaker 1 (01:08:51):
Thanks God, Okay, I gotta know, well, you know what
he was. He was closer closer for me.

Speaker 6 (01:08:59):
You guys, you got are on the line there and
the switcheroo.

Speaker 1 (01:09:02):
Okay, now we're getting into some really interesting So.

Speaker 3 (01:09:06):
Now we're so now we're saying there's nine guys.

Speaker 1 (01:09:09):
So far, there are nine guys on although things could change,
you could always try to kick someone off in theory,
these votes aren't aren't forever. Let's talk. Let's do Baker
because that's another one. Did him versus Cousin's debate was interesting.
I thought Cousins kind of kicked him off alone. And
I vote no for Baker Mayfield.

Speaker 7 (01:09:29):
I vote no because I think that this is going
to be really significant, losing his favorite pass catchers. Unfortunately.
Hate to see that. His statistics are incredible. I don't
want to take that away from him at all, but
I'm seeing a quarterback who potentially is some trouble.

Speaker 6 (01:09:45):
I'm giving a super soft no. I mean, I'm closed,
but it's a super soft no. Like if there's like
I said, I've only got ten or two spots open,
he's not one of the two, but if a third
comes open, I'm changing my vote.

Speaker 4 (01:09:57):
Wow, Yes, because I thought that we were doing this
BA based on what they did up until this point.

Speaker 2 (01:10:02):
What is project It's absolutely up to you.

Speaker 4 (01:10:05):
It's like the top one exactly all right, So I
lose out, but I wish he was on.

Speaker 7 (01:10:10):
I think he could use your riptide to pull Absolutely.

Speaker 1 (01:10:18):
It might be too early to stand for fla baby. Okay,
so Baker has been voted a no.

Speaker 2 (01:10:27):
While while we're on the Baker is off topic.

Speaker 1 (01:10:30):
This is this is a borderline guy here, Kirk Cousins.
We have three spots here after Purty and Gino available
on the island. Man who wants to make a case.

Speaker 6 (01:10:45):
I'm going, yes, I'm swag surfing this one all the
way to the island. Kirk Cousins. Yeah, say he's he's
killing Tampa Bay Buccaneers. Guess what he's playing who's in
front of them? Kirk Cousins is going to be ascending.
I'm using Jordan's argument.

Speaker 3 (01:11:00):
He's going to continue to keep rocking and rolling their offense,
hitting the stride. They don't play Tampa anymore.

Speaker 7 (01:11:04):
I do have one question for Kis Steve, because Steve,
I love that argument, I really do.

Speaker 5 (01:11:08):
But I have one question for you.

Speaker 7 (01:11:09):
Who do you think could ascend to greater heights over
this next stretch. Kirk Cousins or healthy Matthew Stafford with
Pukakua and Cooper Cup. That's where I'm weighing in my
head right now I'm.

Speaker 6 (01:11:21):
Going Kirk Cousins because of the division that he plays in.
I do think it's going to be just a murderer's
row in the NFC West. Nothing is taking me off
of Perko Chains. That's a good point, Kerko Chains.

Speaker 4 (01:11:31):
Allie, I'm gonna know right now. For Kirk, I'm sorry,
they got it. I just I don't love the way
that these games have played out that aren't against Tampa Bay.

Speaker 7 (01:11:42):
Steve, I loved your argument, but my point is too.
I think that because I have him weighed between putting
Stafford on or off, and I think a healthy Stafford
and a healthy Cooper and a healthy Pooka and a
returning offensive line getting all their guys back, who protected
Stafford the best that they have all year, allowed sack
against the Raiders and the Vikings.

Speaker 5 (01:12:03):
I think that that reaches.

Speaker 7 (01:12:04):
Greater heights with Stafford than Kirk Cousins potentially reaches.

Speaker 5 (01:12:09):
That's just that's my only argument.

Speaker 1 (01:12:10):
I'm struggling with those two against each other. But I
also think a quarterback's got to be more than just
their surroundings. There's an undefinable thing about kirk o this
year that he's just part of part of our lives
in a way that's meaningful to me. I'm voting yes.
I'm voting yes. We're split right now on Kirk Cousins.
That is going to be tabled just the second.

Speaker 3 (01:12:30):
We're not kicking anybody off except Dak then the way it's.

Speaker 1 (01:12:33):
Going exactly, we can keep talking, all right, We'll go
on talk about who could get kicked off.

Speaker 2 (01:12:39):
How about Sam Darnold.

Speaker 5 (01:12:42):
Are we voting to kick him off?

Speaker 2 (01:12:44):
Or you're either voting yes or no? Is he on
the island?

Speaker 3 (01:12:47):
That's all?

Speaker 2 (01:12:48):
Is he on the island? That's that's the question. Is
he on the island?

Speaker 5 (01:12:51):
Is he on the island?

Speaker 7 (01:12:52):
I put you on the yes because I'm thinking of
the advice using myself.

Speaker 4 (01:12:59):
I'm still a Sam Darnald girl, so I'm gonna say yes.

Speaker 1 (01:13:03):
So you're saying the deciding vote comes down to me
for Sam Donald.

Speaker 8 (01:13:08):
Oh no, poetic.

Speaker 2 (01:13:10):
I'm sorry to do this, buddy. You're great.

Speaker 1 (01:13:13):
You're in the top fifteen right now, right on the borderline.

Speaker 3 (01:13:18):
You were waiting for this.

Speaker 2 (01:13:19):
You were gonna use your if you didn't get perfect.

Speaker 3 (01:13:23):
Tim hard he fought to keep him off. He gone.

Speaker 1 (01:13:27):
So it's a review. Jordan Love's not making it. Baker's
not making it. Sam Donald is kicked off the island.
Have two open spots. Dak Prescott is kicked off the island.
We haven't confirmed everyone that was on the island before.
I guess let's talk about who could jump onto the island. Okay,
let's talk about Justin Herbert. Does anyone want to make

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a case for Justin Herbert going onto the island? If so,
speak now and explain why.

Speaker 8 (01:13:53):
I only have one spot right now.

Speaker 2 (01:13:56):
This other dude, Jordan has a yes going to ham
for other guys have a yes.

Speaker 7 (01:14:00):
Okay, Well, like I said before, I think he is
playing the best football among the best football many quarterback
in the NFL. The way he's throwing the ball, the
way that he can move, he has his feet and
his legs back under him. They are it has been
hit or miss in terms of actual production, but they
are establishing some steadiness around him. I like Justin Herbert

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throwing the ball better than almost anybody. I like Justin
Herbert throwing the ball better than almost anybody in the NFL.

Speaker 1 (01:14:26):
I'm voting yes, I'm Justin Herbert. I think he's clearly
one of the best ten quarterbacks.

Speaker 2 (01:14:31):
In the league right now. He was injured early in
the season.

Speaker 3 (01:14:34):
He was a guy.

Speaker 1 (01:14:35):
If he wasn't injured in training camp, I think it
would have been on there to begin with. Just eye
test and numbers. It's all happening for my guy, Herbo.
We're split right now on Justin Herbert and Kirk Cousins.
Perty's on as well? What range Gino's on as the
tenth Who is the guy you want on so badly?

Speaker 3 (01:14:53):
Kyler? Kyler Cayler Murray.

Speaker 2 (01:14:55):
Kyler is your Yes.

Speaker 3 (01:14:56):
I've been fighting.

Speaker 6 (01:14:57):
This is like my third time going to bat for
Kyler mur really is, and I am not like coming down.

Speaker 5 (01:15:02):
Don't think about them. Just make eye contact with me.

Speaker 7 (01:15:06):
If you give me Stafford over Cousins, I'll give you
Kyler done.

Speaker 5 (01:15:10):
Wow, we're waking out.

Speaker 3 (01:15:12):
We're here.

Speaker 2 (01:15:13):
What do we not even matter?

Speaker 8 (01:15:15):
Alliance was made?

Speaker 3 (01:15:17):
God, we're playing dirty.

Speaker 2 (01:15:19):
Okay, let's one spot because we just it. They don't
get anybody off. Who says the two of you can
just put Kyler or Stafford on? What if we had
both as no votes.

Speaker 5 (01:15:30):
Because we split the vote last time, didn't.

Speaker 2 (01:15:32):
We We haven't even voted.

Speaker 6 (01:15:33):
There's only there's only the staff there's really only one
other guy that to vote.

Speaker 3 (01:15:38):
He's holding it. I know exactly who who you're gonna do.

Speaker 1 (01:15:42):
This is good though, you want just put our cards out.
Let's put our cards.

Speaker 8 (01:15:45):
Jalen Hurts goes in. Dak Prescott goes.

Speaker 3 (01:15:48):
Out, Dak Prescott, who got da Donald out? Already?

Speaker 6 (01:15:53):
Right?

Speaker 8 (01:15:53):
Donald? Okay?

Speaker 6 (01:15:53):
So yeah, yes you're voting. Are we kicking the third out?
Are we saying that ten are definitely on?

Speaker 2 (01:15:59):
Let's talk Matthew Stafford, because if you're saying.

Speaker 3 (01:16:02):
I give you.

Speaker 8 (01:16:04):
No, no, no, what I mean I already did.

Speaker 2 (01:16:06):
We have to make see if if a spot is open?

Speaker 5 (01:16:08):
Right yeah, oh, let's recalculate.

Speaker 6 (01:16:10):
Because I could, I could, I could hear a good
Jalen argument if he kicks.

Speaker 2 (01:16:14):
Let's hear about Jalen Hurts. Well, I already gave you okay,
so who would to kick off?

Speaker 1 (01:16:20):
Then it's very it's very close to me. I'm a
no on Jalen Hurts. It's just a numbers game. When
I do the numbers for me, prety in Gino are
eight and nine.

Speaker 2 (01:16:30):
Right now.

Speaker 1 (01:16:30):
That leaves two players were split on Herbert and Cousins.
It also leaves Stafford and Kyler. Jalen Hurts is in
that mix as well. So there's three spots and there's
five guys for me. Those five guys Herbert, Cousins, Stafford, Kyler,
and Hurts, only three can go on. Hurts is last
out of those five guys. So I vote no on

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Jalen Hurts just to eliminate him.

Speaker 6 (01:16:54):
Oh my god, just sorry, just real quick though, I'm
not I'm not gonna.

Speaker 3 (01:16:57):
I'm not gonna cast my vote yet.

Speaker 6 (01:16:58):
Okay, because us Jalen Hurts, then over Kyler or Herbert.

Speaker 2 (01:17:04):
M hm, you have him over all.

Speaker 3 (01:17:07):
We made the alliance on her.

Speaker 5 (01:17:08):
Well, on Stafford. We made the alliance and Kyler.

Speaker 8 (01:17:11):
So I keep track of this.

Speaker 3 (01:17:13):
Yeah, so it's like Herbert and Jalen.

Speaker 7 (01:17:16):
So I have Herbert, Stafford and Murray, which would, unfortunately
I don't want to do this, leave Jalen Hurts the
odd man out, and I did argue for his over there.

Speaker 4 (01:17:27):
Do you actually believe that Kyler should go on ahead
of Jalen Hurts or are you just doing it for
the alliance for Stafford to stay.

Speaker 3 (01:17:35):
I would take I would take Kyler over the other two.

Speaker 7 (01:17:38):
Okay, I think I think Kyler Kyle the ceiling that
he has showed as a quarterback that he's higher than
Jalen's currently.

Speaker 8 (01:17:45):
Yes, Okay, I.

Speaker 3 (01:17:45):
Would take Jalen over Herbert.

Speaker 5 (01:17:47):
Okay, I like that. Yeah, but alliancing are you making?

Speaker 3 (01:17:52):
I mean, I mean, I'm just saying I would.

Speaker 8 (01:17:54):
Yeah, if we're weighing, If we're weighing them out.

Speaker 2 (01:17:57):
Let's vote on Jalen Hurts yes or no.

Speaker 3 (01:17:59):
We got we got to get a third off.

Speaker 2 (01:18:04):
So we're split again, Steve, Yes.

Speaker 6 (01:18:07):
Yes, yes, so so so the tie stays to the incumbent.

Speaker 1 (01:18:11):
Then we have we have five different players. We have
not officially voted here on Matthew Stafford either. You guys
made an alliance and the two of you said yes,
but we hadn't heard from Colleen and I, oh no,
he's still on.

Speaker 2 (01:18:24):
So if he is still.

Speaker 1 (01:18:25):
On according to Colleen, then on the island, so is Gino,
so is Purty. We're going to have two new members
of Quarterback Island. It is very exciting, Kirk o Chains.
Even though I believed in you, Kirk, Steve Weisch believed
in you.

Speaker 3 (01:18:38):
You're gone.

Speaker 1 (01:18:40):
The alliances, Uh, they went against you. Frankly, you couldn't
play the game well enough, we have two spots for
three guys. This is hard, justin Herbert Kyler, Murray in
Jalen Hurts.

Speaker 8 (01:18:52):
That's really tough.

Speaker 1 (01:18:54):
Wait, two spots for three two spots for three guys.
So I think we should all just write down on
who we don't want on, and if there's a majority,
pen I will give it to you. I'm going to
write down one name.

Speaker 8 (01:19:08):
So you're you're writing who who you.

Speaker 1 (01:19:10):
Don't want to make it, who you don't think deserves
to make it.

Speaker 2 (01:19:15):
You can write it down.

Speaker 3 (01:19:17):
That deserves a numbers game. It's a number of games.
We're in the savagery, savagery.

Speaker 8 (01:19:23):
Who shouldn't go on?

Speaker 2 (01:19:24):
Who shouldn't go on? Out of the three people? It's
because all three of them are really good. Same thing
with Koh, he got left off.

Speaker 8 (01:19:31):
I thought he think you're going to be able to
see this on Ken.

Speaker 2 (01:19:34):
No you won't.

Speaker 1 (01:19:35):
We're going to just say it out loud. But it's
for our purposes what we're split. I am saying that
Jalen Hurts does not make it onto the Island. I
still care about you as a person, Colleen. I know
Colleen says Kyler does not make it. I'm saying Herbert,
and so the deciding vote, it's up to Jordan Rodger,
who is not making it onto quarterback Island.

Speaker 7 (01:19:58):
I already made my case for I think Justin Herbert's
playing the best football of many quarterbacks, top five quarterbacks
for sure.

Speaker 5 (01:20:06):
Right now.

Speaker 7 (01:20:07):
I agree with you on Kyler Luriy and I will
not back out of Hyland integrity. Oh, I'm sorry, it's
a numbers game. I love how he's playing right now.
But Colleen, it's Jalen.

Speaker 2 (01:20:19):
Hurt, Jalen hurt. I'm sorry, make it.

Speaker 5 (01:20:23):
It pains me. I'm sorry.

Speaker 4 (01:20:24):
Wow, Okay, I'll see you guys in four weeks.

Speaker 2 (01:20:28):
The alliance was strong.

Speaker 1 (01:20:30):
Congratulations to Kyler Murray and Justin Herber and I said it.

Speaker 2 (01:20:35):
I was going into this not knowing.

Speaker 3 (01:20:37):
How it was gonna happen.

Speaker 2 (01:20:38):
I did not think Kyler Murray was making onto this island.

Speaker 3 (01:20:41):
Id se Kirk couldn't make it, and it's.

Speaker 2 (01:20:43):
It's always same here.

Speaker 1 (01:20:45):
I thought Kirk was gonna make it on It's it's
always it's always the little guys.

Speaker 2 (01:20:49):
You didn't see coming. He just scampered his way and
popped out of that water.

Speaker 3 (01:20:53):
I've been fighting for Kirk. Kyler's in stay one.

Speaker 2 (01:20:56):
The short happy for you and also for me. Look,
I hope I'm happy for everyone here. I hope Colleen
that you're so glad you guys are happy your friendship
with Jordans can survive this.

Speaker 3 (01:21:07):
She's not staying late to get to do with the
Germany flight made.

Speaker 2 (01:21:12):
Let's just recap again. Who is on Quarterback Island?

Speaker 3 (01:21:15):
Uh?

Speaker 2 (01:21:15):
Many of the same guys from before.

Speaker 1 (01:21:17):
Josh Allen, Joe Burrow, let's play that music, Jadeen Daniels,
Way to go, jade Daniels a rookie, Jared got Lamar Jackson,
Patrick Mahomes, Rock Purty and Geno Smith, Matthew Stafford. You
survived and then let's welcome to the island. In addition
to save Stroud who has been there all along, Justin

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Herbert and Kyler Murray.

Speaker 2 (01:21:41):
The Quarterback Island got younger the.

Speaker 6 (01:21:44):
NFC West though NFC West is like quartered the big
block on the island for now.

Speaker 1 (01:21:49):
For now, talk about an alliance they could get together
the entire.

Speaker 6 (01:21:53):
Jamis Black Oor comment Jamis and Black Oh my god?

Speaker 3 (01:21:57):
Yeah?

Speaker 2 (01:21:58):
Who crazyland? Will it be in in four weeks time?

Speaker 1 (01:22:01):
Will will Jalen Hurts make that case, will Kirko chains
prove Sjordan and Colleen were shortsighted and not believing in them.

Speaker 2 (01:22:11):
Who knows, Maybe.

Speaker 1 (01:22:11):
Caleb starts playing better. Could be anyone, could be Baker
proving us back. It could be Dak getting his revenge.
But that's it for Quarterback Island. I'm looking forward to
the great. It was great until the part of the
show where I completely lost track of what was happening.

Speaker 3 (01:22:28):
That was.

Speaker 2 (01:22:29):
That was a tough moment. Let's take a quick.

Speaker 1 (01:22:30):
Break and we'll come back with Thursday Night Football. You
might have to do Quarterback Island last from now on,
doing something after that. Jets, the emotions are raw, the

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you know, friendships have been tested.

Speaker 3 (01:22:54):
It's it's just a comedown.

Speaker 1 (01:22:56):
It's time of the show for R T and F
preview presented by Amazon Video.

Speaker 3 (01:23:00):
It's Texans Jets.

Speaker 1 (01:23:01):
It's the ultimate come down of the twenty twenty four
season the Jets. But look their schedule. Everyone keeps saying
it opens up. It gets easy after this game. At
least you're catching the Texans at the right time. No
Nico Collins, no Stefan Diggs in this matchup. The Jets
are at home, Like what gets you going. Halloween Night,

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Texans Jets.

Speaker 2 (01:23:22):
Let's see how much time do we have to talk about?
What's whatever you want? Whatever you want?

Speaker 4 (01:23:27):
All right, I'll try to condense it. The offense has
rhythm like Eli Manning dancing on Manning. The plays are
coming in late. They can't line up in time. Three
timeouts in the first quarter. Are you kidding me?

Speaker 3 (01:23:41):
You've never seen that before?

Speaker 4 (01:23:42):
The connection with DeVante Adams and Aaron Rodgers were still
waiting on that. The defense gave up the game winning
drive to the Patriots. Backup quarterback missed kicks so much
so that there's a kicking competition before Thursday Night Football.
None of the changes that they have made have made
a difference, and they right now all three phases of

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the game seem to be contributing.

Speaker 8 (01:24:05):
So it's like a total team effort.

Speaker 4 (01:24:07):
For these losses, I just feel like they're all break
no gas.

Speaker 7 (01:24:11):
Ooh wrapped it up with a bow.

Speaker 1 (01:24:16):
I love that it's a short week, Thursday night football
team on the road. It's a tough spot. The Texans
have certainly not been playing the type of football they
want to play, but they've been finding ways to win
in a lot of ways. These two teams I think
aren't that far apart in terms of what they're getting done,
certainly on offense, and yet one team and I think

(01:24:38):
the Texans deserve a lot of credit for this. It's
almost like they're not getting the style points they want
and the offensive line's not playing well.

Speaker 2 (01:24:45):
Come CJ.

Speaker 1 (01:24:45):
Stroud's numbers aren't crazy, and I'm thinking this team won
what five games combined over two seasons just two years ago,
and yet we're complaining about style points. They're learning how
to win when they're not playing their best, and their
defense is very consistent than week after week, and they're
going to get after Aaron Rodgers in this game.

Speaker 2 (01:25:02):
That's the thing I can you know, Oh my god, the.

Speaker 5 (01:25:04):
Most I'm worrying.

Speaker 7 (01:25:05):
You're starting to see some of the movement issues we
identified immediately in the season with the usage of pistol
with the Falcons offense. They were only aligning out of
pistol to try to add some illusion into their run game,
some dimension. You're seeing the Jets almost quadruple. I mean,
it was a very it was like three percent rate before,
but now you're seeing them in the pistol a little
bit more. Makes me worry about how Aaron Rodgers is

(01:25:27):
actually feeling in terms of we already knew that he
was hurting on the leg, and you know he just
wasn't When he gets crunched sometimes he looks really painful
to get up. But to me, that doesn't necessarily shift
my thoughts about the play caller or the scheme. It
more so to me is a little bit of a
tell of like where Aaron Rodgers is at physically and
how he's feeling. And you're kind of feeling that energy.

(01:25:49):
I mean, he seems like it's in a lot of pain.

Speaker 6 (01:25:51):
Well, I mean you talk about the play callers. I
mean he switched something up in the middle of the season.
Todd Downing's had opportunities before didn't work, like with the
Raiders and another stifle. I mean, so they're still getting
used to a lot of this stuff. It's the chaos
like you talked about. I mean, no surprise, this is
how it typically goes with the Jets, who had I
think at this time last year two more wins without Aaron, right,

(01:26:15):
I think, So I may be wrong, but I'm gonna
go to the Texas point thing.

Speaker 3 (01:26:20):
And you talked about their defense.

Speaker 6 (01:26:22):
Look, they played last week without you know, as he's
al Shire, they've got, you know, up the spine of
the defense of some of their players. Yeah, so if
he comes back, so thank you for pronouncing that right too,
because so many people butchered Toto.

Speaker 3 (01:26:35):
Well done. You see the apostrophe, you know the Polynesian viols.

Speaker 2 (01:26:38):
They're still trying to get that invite to the Polynesian Bowl.

Speaker 3 (01:26:41):
So you're you're invited.

Speaker 6 (01:26:42):
You're invited, brother, But it's look, it's a situation where
they they're gonna get after Aaron Rodgers.

Speaker 3 (01:26:48):
They know exactly what to do.

Speaker 6 (01:26:50):
They see some of the chaos, like you talked about
plays coming in late whatever, you know what, just run
up tempo, hurry up offense or solutions to a lot
of this stuff.

Speaker 3 (01:26:59):
But again, having Jalen Peatree and having.

Speaker 6 (01:27:03):
Some of the players that they have at all three
levels of that defense is a great thing. And speaking
of defense, Jeff Allbrick, the new internetad coach, came out
and basically said, yes, saus Gardner's tackling needs to be
a little bit better, So let's just add a little
bit more of the positivity around there by you know,
having to maybe be a truth Teller, right, but arguably
your best defensive player just keeps getting better.

Speaker 7 (01:27:23):
Yeah, and calling out your best defensive player like that.
I mean it is a message to him, certainly, and
you watch the tape on that, but like it's also
a message to the entire defense. Next gen stats mind
blowing stat here the Jets of miss eighty eight tackles
this season tied for the fourth most, and that's not good. Yeah,
and they allow four and a half extra yards per

(01:27:43):
mistackle this season.

Speaker 3 (01:27:45):
Oh gee, that's nothing when you've got Ji Damian Pierce.

Speaker 5 (01:27:48):
Yeah.

Speaker 7 (01:27:49):
So it is a good matchup in terms of the
Texans interior offensive line against the Houston Texans front. Just
collectively they're playing disastrously bad football, but you actually are
going to be able to move the ball against the
Jets conversely and mitigate some of that stuff because they're
having issues in space and also against the run.

Speaker 1 (01:28:08):
In general, the Jets edg rushers aren't very good at
aut Quinn Williams hasn't been great this season, but he's
coming off his best game of the season. He was
dominant in that Patriots game. You know, talk about like
having what did you say about Eli.

Speaker 3 (01:28:21):
Rhythm?

Speaker 4 (01:28:22):
I mean, I love that he leans into it. He
owns it though. He's so funny.

Speaker 2 (01:28:27):
I mean, this really is.

Speaker 8 (01:28:29):
I love him.

Speaker 1 (01:28:29):
This Texans like line like talk about no rhythm. They're
one of the worst coach teams in terms of their
line play.

Speaker 3 (01:28:36):
I don't care.

Speaker 1 (01:28:37):
I've seen to do his blitz and it's getting through,
it's getting home like Tunsil's even having so much Like
there's just miscommunications and it's like quick pressure. And so
if there's a team that could wake up the Jets
pass rush, it would be this.

Speaker 3 (01:28:50):
On the other side of.

Speaker 1 (01:28:51):
The Texans will say maybe this is a rare team
we can actually block and the vibes are certainly better.

Speaker 2 (01:28:56):
They're winning. I trust the Texans.

Speaker 3 (01:29:00):
Thursday night, the Jets come on.

Speaker 1 (01:29:03):
Jalen Peetre has been playing well, Nickel, I got to
take the Texans in this game as anyone.

Speaker 3 (01:29:09):
You think so, but I Thursday night's the wildcard for sure.

Speaker 5 (01:29:13):
Yeah, I'm picking the Texans.

Speaker 3 (01:29:15):
Yeah, I'm picking the Textans. It is hard to go
with the Jets.

Speaker 2 (01:29:18):
They would be two and seven.

Speaker 1 (01:29:19):
Something tells me they would like they're gonna stay part
of the season, But I don't know.

Speaker 2 (01:29:23):
Two and seven. You're you're kind of no longer part
of the.

Speaker 3 (01:29:26):
Season and well in that division.

Speaker 6 (01:29:29):
But what I'm saying talk about Davante as all the
other wide receivers are super.

Speaker 3 (01:29:33):
Happy, like Mary Cooper, we're talking about de Hopp.

Speaker 2 (01:29:35):
Oh my god, you're right, Fonte Adam, just.

Speaker 1 (01:29:37):
Like come on, yeah, it is absolutely a ridiculous thing
sometimes joining your friends again, like, yeah, it doesn't always work.

Speaker 2 (01:29:45):
The Jets are favorite in this You found out the Jets.

Speaker 3 (01:29:49):
On that note.

Speaker 1 (01:29:50):
Uh, that's it for the t n F preview presented
by Prime Video. Be sure to watch the Houston Texans
take on the New York Jets this Thursday on Prime Video.

Speaker 3 (01:29:58):
Thank you for.

Speaker 1 (01:29:59):
Joining us on and sometimes contentious, always entertained.

Speaker 8 (01:30:03):
Anyone hurts needs to be on that island.

Speaker 1 (01:30:05):
Sometimes confusing trip to quarterback Island. We'll be back the
Thursday preview show Steve Weisch, Patrick Claybonn and myself And yeah,
when the left side of the table is ganging up
on Colleen Wolf, you know you know football is back.

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