February 14, 2024 • 19 mins
EP #23: Welcome to a special edition of Off the Edge with Cam Jordan! In this week’s episode, Cam sits down with NFL MVP Cam Newton and Super Bowl champion Andrew Whitworth.
Despite the on-field clashes between the two Cams, the guys put their beef aside and reminisce on the heated battles that defined the NFC South rivalry in their era. Then Cam Jordan recalls the moment that led to an on-field scuffle after Cam Newton unleashed his famous Superman celebration. Then Cam Newton opens up about his own podcast "Funky Friday with Cam Newton" where he embraces being unfiltered and uncut.
Then All-Pro offensive tackle, Andrew Whitworth, joins the show. The two dive into NFL Honors night, and Cam reveals the moment he learned he would be showcasing his dance moves at the award show. Switching gears, Andrew Whitworth opens up about his passion for giving back to the community and the profound significance of being recognized as the Walter Payton Man of the Year. He shares how witnessing fellow players making meaningful contributions to society serves as a driving force for him to do even more. Then he provides an O-lineman's perspective on why he believes the evolution of the game is resulting in more sacks for defenses.
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Speaker 1 (00:04):
I'm sitting here on Off the Edge the podcast with
the man that needs no introduction of former NFL MVP,
a man who can still sling the rock and we
know he can do it if he gets a chance
to do it. Somebody who's been a pro bowler, all
pro NFL MVP should have been, you know, is the
number one draft pick up, the most elite draft class
to ever have been in existing in the twenty eleven
draft class. You know, from a CAM to a CAM
(00:26):
in a draft that had three cams. We're just missing
the other one, you know as a Cam trifecta at
the time. And here we are a CAM duo with
Cam Newton, the man, the legend himself, mister game changer,
two game manager, at the most relevant time of our
NFL experiences. Uh, listen, what else can what else can
I say that you get that you don't speak for yourself.
Speaker 2 (00:47):
We can say that we can enjoy each other's company.
Speaker 3 (00:51):
Now, I've always enjoyed your company, No like I didn't
enjoy yours. Meant to be a troll, I think for you, Bro,
And I was having this conversation with Matt Ryan yesterday.
Speaker 2 (01:05):
Tell me a more competitive division, right, during that.
Speaker 3 (01:11):
Two thousand and thirteen, fourteen, fifteen, sixteen seventeen in that
Sea South.
Speaker 1 (01:17):
There wasn't how could there have been animosity at every level.
Speaker 3 (01:23):
Every out of what is it to out of eight
games a year, that's half your schedule, you know, like
the Saint's coming.
Speaker 1 (01:32):
Yeah, not even locked in. Oh oh it's it's it's
blood in the water.
Speaker 2 (01:36):
It's like, bro, tight yo up? Oh can I can? I?
Speaker 1 (01:40):
Yeah, te yo up?
Speaker 3 (01:43):
Because Roma Harper petty King, like Jinx petty King, like
all that pettiness. Also the mission don't don't don't, don't
don't know. I said, oh my, that's just bro.
Speaker 2 (01:59):
Yeah it will.
Speaker 3 (02:00):
Was one of those times where it's like, bro, you
got to tighten yo up because not only are they gritty,
they have that continuity that a lot of teams miss
when I think about great defenses.
Speaker 2 (02:13):
It's hard not to mention, you guys, it's kind of
rain in that stint.
Speaker 3 (02:16):
Compared to the Baltimore Ravens, compared to the forty nine
ers at that particular point in time, it was just.
Speaker 1 (02:22):
At a.
Speaker 3 (02:25):
Unit that thrived our opportunistics and was able to create
pressure with just a four man.
Speaker 1 (02:32):
Rush man, and it was. It was a time to
be had to like you know, there was there was
times there was a touchdown that I think you had
had in the end zone in the Superdome. You did
the you know the patentent hand. They opened up the
chest shoulder, you know, open up the Superman vibes, and
I was like, man and you was like Loki pass
passed by me and like had brushed me, and I
was like this brush can't happen. So it was like
(02:53):
I like I like jumped like it wasn't a brush,
it was a bump. And You're like you like looked
at me and like turn around and he doing these
and my guy Curtis Lofton and like went up to
push you next you know, big wiren push Curtis Lofton.
I saw, I saw him go, and.
Speaker 2 (03:09):
I find myself in the back of the thirty.
Speaker 1 (03:12):
People fighting in thirty people fighting and next thing, you know,
like I went to like grab October and you can't
grab my tober. He got my weight and seving me
tree stump, you know, and so Nix. You know, we're
out here sprawled out fighting in the back and zone.
It's it's times like that that you really enjoyed the rivalry,
and that's what makes it feel.
Speaker 4 (03:31):
Like a rivalry, you know the thing.
Speaker 3 (03:33):
I know our rivalry was one to kind of consider,
but being from Atlanta, Yeah, I don't think that there's
a better rivalry than Atlanta and New Orleans.
Speaker 1 (03:45):
Absolutely, no, like that I hate him.
Speaker 3 (03:47):
Yeah, It's one of those things that it's not even
it's deeper than football in that thing because when Katrina hit,
a lot of New Orleans natives came to Atlanta. Yeah,
so that con that that type of connectivity back to
the city of New Orleans and Atlanta, that merger and
(04:09):
to have a football game, that's where it was like
a little kind of different. And I only know that
because I'm a native of Atlanta and seeing that type
of you know, energy in the city for that particular time.
Speaker 1 (04:19):
Man, you know that that energy, Loan, this makes you
like want to be a villain towards Atlanta and you
know it just our our division, Loan, like maybe want
to be a villain towards you because you are a
minis towards everybody else, like you wore them up on
other people's sidelines. And like just looking I was like
it was like everything about him like you have to
go after and so that said, now you're you know,
I'm in the podcast world. You've clearly got your podcast.
(04:41):
Is that is that a rivalry hood? Like you've got
you've got never that's your your your podcast? Tell me,
tell me more about it. Because you sit down with
the cigar, you got the lounge, you you're you're.
Speaker 3 (04:49):
That's missing right now? I mean I got it close by.
It's just being authentic, authentic to who I am.
Speaker 4 (04:56):
You know.
Speaker 3 (04:56):
I think for my whole career, a lot of people
have always had the question, is Cam Newton real?
Speaker 2 (05:02):
Is this an energy that? Like what is he?
Speaker 3 (05:05):
You're not used to seeing this type of energy on
the field. Folks are able to see a quarterback play
and have fun and dance and jump around and.
Speaker 2 (05:13):
Like is that really? Like what the is that?
Speaker 5 (05:15):
Like?
Speaker 3 (05:15):
We can't So I've always had to protect, you know,
my sanity, but also protect what I was playing for franchises, brands, players, coaches,
and now in podcasts, and it's like I don't give
a damn, Like let's like bring on.
Speaker 2 (05:36):
The problems, bring on the problems, bring like one of
them things and I enjoy it.
Speaker 1 (05:42):
Brow you're just uncut.
Speaker 3 (05:46):
Yeah, Yeah, it's like when you're in this position, I'm
able to tell these type of stories, you know, in
an unfiltered way, not to protect anybody's image of anybody
who knows me, know, like I.
Speaker 2 (06:00):
You'll keep the Bro code, the Bro code, but I'm
able to tell.
Speaker 3 (06:04):
It more like cutting the way that it's like, yo,
I could tell that you know what I'm saying, Like
I just had, you know, a conversation with Greg Goldsen.
Speaker 5 (06:10):
Bro.
Speaker 3 (06:10):
We're just talking about certain things and it's like, damn dog,
like I.
Speaker 2 (06:13):
Missed that absolutely and they asked me like, yo, Bro,
are you coming back?
Speaker 3 (06:16):
I don't know, Like I'm different, like I'm a family
man now you know what I'm saying. I got children,
I got kids that expected me to be home when
they come back from school.
Speaker 1 (06:26):
And what can't be right? Because you know what we're
gonna do. I'm just gonna shoot over to your podcast
and we're gonna were gonna continue to if you want
part part two to this part one, check me out
off the Part two of the cams Apostophees. Here we
(07:01):
are my podcast Off the Edge with me your host
Cam Jordan, and it feels like a variety show because
I get to see all these legends and media row
at the Super Bowl, and I'm sitting here with a
future Hall of Famer, a man who played twenty years
in the league between the Cincinnati Bengals. Some people call
the Bengals, I call them Bengals in the Los Angeles Rams,
winning a super Bowl with them and then walking off
(07:23):
in style after the wind with Super Bowl and the
babies had the kids there sitting there like my work
is complete. Andrew Withwurthy, Man, I appreciate you tapping in man.
Speaker 4 (07:33):
Happy to be here. Bro, what a week man, it's
been awesome. Yeah.
Speaker 1 (07:36):
I mean, as a watch guy myself, I look down
at the Panoria, I'm like, I like it. Come but
no were.
Speaker 4 (07:42):
I just got it. When you're big, fatherly, you gotta
have a couple accessories, you know, because everybody see you,
Like God, this dude's huge. You know, you need a
little something to kind of look.
Speaker 1 (07:49):
I'll cut your monts if you will. But sitting here,
you know you started off in Louisiana, so we have
our Louisiana connects here and living out in Los Angeles
a place that I hope to one day get to. Uh,
but the tax back the way the taxes work. I'ma
be right there in Arizona. Yeah, yeah, I understand that,
but you you're here. Media week clearly went to NFL honors.
Uh do you still enjoy going to the honor shows?
Speaker 4 (08:11):
Well, I gotta say, first off, unbelievable. That was so good. Well,
it's good. I can't I imagine they had to kind
of like, let you know that was going on, and
there might have been a little like we're doing what man?
But that was cool. That was good, and that's exactly
what happened.
Speaker 1 (08:23):
Like, Cam, you're gonna present the award, I said, dope,
Kirk Cousins gonna be with you. Great, Hey, we got
a little something specially awesome twenty four hours before Hey rehearsal,
we got these dance moves.
Speaker 4 (08:31):
Excuse me, excuse me.
Speaker 1 (08:33):
I know I know how to pass rush. All right,
all right.
Speaker 4 (08:36):
I thought it was awesome that. I actually thought it
was probably one of the best honors I've seen. I thought, really,
the whole show was awesome.
Speaker 1 (08:42):
Started off.
Speaker 4 (08:42):
Yeah, I mean it's Vegas, so yeah, it is. It's
easy to kind of pull some of that off. But gosh,
it was great.
Speaker 1 (08:46):
I thought, Man, it's it's awesome, especially when you talk
about you, you being a Walter Payton Man of the
Year winner a couple of years back. Just tell me
about what it means to win, because I mean, I've
been nominating three times, but as a winner, does it
change perspective? There's James perception of.
Speaker 4 (09:01):
I don't think so. I think what's cool And I
think sometimes, you know, you think about those awards, we
talk about the winner, and you know, obviously Kim Heyward,
unbelievably deserving, a tremendous human being, have had a chance
with Thursday Night Football now to have them a couple
years in a row and get to kind of tell
his story and things that he does in the community.
But I think also to me, we get lost in
those other thirty one and it's like, man, all those
(09:23):
guys are doing such amazing stuff, and I think that's
one of the coolest parts of this league. And one
of the rarest things I think about our business is
that I don't know how many businesses in the world
that the people who are benefiting from that business also
are spending so much of their time investing all that
back into the communities they play in the communities they
came from. I just think there's such a spirit of
(09:43):
pay it forward in our league that I just think
is really cool that people feel that vibe from these
players and they come to these shows. These guys love
what they do, they have a passion be great at it,
but they also have a passion for everyone else that
they can help achieve those streams that they want as well.
Speaker 1 (09:58):
Absolutely, I always think about like just the highlight you're
putting you like, I didn't even know he did the
type of work, Like how how many guys are going
out their way to give their time effort, you know,
beyond just money, but just the ability to give back
to the community for raise awareness for their for their causes.
And uh. As much as I do, I feel like
I'm always reinspired.
Speaker 4 (10:18):
Yep.
Speaker 1 (10:18):
I'm like, oh, I'm not doing enough. I gotta do more.
I was like, it's it's sort of like a competitive
to give back mode. It's like, yeah, it is.
Speaker 4 (10:23):
I think you know this, like when you get nominated,
you see the other guys that getting nominated, you go
read what they're doing and you're like, dang, I need
to get all.
Speaker 1 (10:29):
All I'm doing is giving up the two days or
all I'm doing, It's like it becomes.
Speaker 4 (10:32):
I always felt challenged, like all right, I can do
more like every time. And I think that's the cool
nature of our league is it doesn't matter for competing
on the field for wins or we're out there saying, hey,
how can we affect the community and make a difference
for people around us? Uh, let's be the best at it.
And I think that's a nature and a vibe and
a culture that we've started in that award and obviously
Walter Payton set the president for all of us. That
(10:53):
is a great thing for our league.
Speaker 1 (10:54):
Absolutely tune this back to football, you know, wrapping up
the award show. But there was a record number of
sets that happened this year and as a defensive lignment,
I love it. And as as after the season I had,
I hated it because I mean I got injured Week eleven.
It was sort of just like just a run stopper
this year and it hurt my feelings. I was like,
they're letting go sacks and here we are. You know,
(11:14):
what do you think as an office alignment, like how
did that come about? It? Is it timing from quarterbacks?
Is it the lack of technique is officer of the
linem a getting better and slower.
Speaker 4 (11:22):
Uh, you know, I think that there's a mixture of reasons.
But I think one of the things that's affected the
game too is that you could see the drop back
game living in the shotgun world. I think you know
this as a rusher, it's a much different world when
he's under center, and you kind of got to think
there might give be a combination of things that could
happen on a play. And when they're gonna be sitting
back there at eight yards and you know it every
single play, it kind of gives you an opportunity to say, hey,
(11:44):
I know where he's gonna be, and I know what
I got to do to get there. And so I
think there's there's a nature that's changing. And then also
you look at it, really the true pocket passing quarterbacks,
like there's just not as many that are just gonna
sit there and stay there. There's a lot of guys
running around now moving. They're being encouraged to Hey, I
don't know what coverage it.
Speaker 1 (12:01):
Is, but you also don't know where your guy is because.
Speaker 4 (12:03):
You're, yeah, m the quarterbacks are moving. So those guys
those ball in their hand longer always leads to more sacks.
So I think that we're going to see that. But
I think eventually like you're going to see a term
because obviously it's been a point of since like improving
offensive line play. And I talked to Roger Goodell actually
a few weeks ago about how do we continue to
make that an emphasis because it's just a challenge. You
look at youth sports always saying let's go back to
(12:24):
where it starts. You know, everything's kind of flagged now.
A lot of guys are being pushed a less contact
less hitting, so you're taking away really developing lineman at
a young age. And then college football, that game's completely changed.
I mean, they don't block any of the plays that
they're going to block in the NFL football and college
football anymore. And then in the pro game, we've taken
away their offseasons. We've kind of taken away a lot
(12:44):
of like that time in camp and those hitting days
that they got to train to be alignment because it's
just a different position. And so I think you really
look at it on the back end and the front end,
we've kind of taken a lot of the reps that
developed these guys to be who they are, and so
that's the challenge, and I think we got to find
way as we can improve there.
Speaker 1 (13:01):
Yeah, it takes a thousand hours of master craft and
now you're working with like five hundred from even the
time I got into the league.
Speaker 4 (13:08):
And think about it. Obviously, offensive linemen are not the
best athlete on the field, but when we starting about
pound for pound, moving bodies like that, who they are.
It's one of the rarest positions in the world because
it's the only one where you play with your back
to the ball, like you were literally basing off of
what you hope is happening behind you and playing a position.
So it's awkward to learn. So it takes time to
understand the body positions and really the feel that you've
(13:30):
got to know without ever being able to see what's
happening behind you the game. Yeah, man, he's getting he's
getting look at it. I got him. He's Swain. He's
kind of like the soft spot, right, He's like dangn no, no.
Speaker 1 (13:41):
See. As much as most of Chegri and I as
I have against an offensive linement, it's because I started
off that way. Like nobody, nobody wants to get off
alignment like shot off like small balls like linebacker safety.
Speaker 4 (13:53):
Oh yeah.
Speaker 1 (13:53):
And then got to high school, was like offic aligneman,
No ye do.
Speaker 4 (13:57):
I do with my kids? My kids team? I coach
my kids, every kid on the team. I'm listen. You
guys don't want to play oh line, y'all gotta go
find some bigger kids, because whoever you are, that's the
biggest You're playing O line like this is what it is.
Speaker 1 (14:09):
And so you know, once I had my chance, I
was like d line and I'm never coming back. Yep,
you know, but just beyond that, you know, beyond the
office line play and even you know the amount of
sacks that happened this year because I was excited about it.
Just think about the rules that are affecting this game.
You know, we talk about the time that's affected the game,
the rules that are affecting this game. You know, the
line judge being behind the opposite line. So now it
(14:30):
seems like you know, officer the line and are clearly
getting away with jumping out sides. We're not gonna say
there's there's an offensive tackle on the Super Bowl, a
Super Bowl contending team that like leads the charging that
but this, Uh, the way the game is evolving and
the rules, how are guys? Is it affecting guys being
coached and is affecting technique?
Speaker 4 (14:47):
Yeah, I think you look at it. There's obviously some
big ones that are coming up this offseason. I mean defensively,
the hip drop tackle stuff. You know, we're talking about
the line of scrimmage after the Gadarius Tony play and really, uh,
even on the other side with Joan Taylor in the
right tackle and his depth that he's said he sits
in his stance at I mean death is crazy.
Speaker 1 (15:03):
I'm like, he's not even like you used to have
to be within Like what if the hip length of
the center. These guys are out here like a flying
V formation.
Speaker 4 (15:10):
They are, And it's blown me away because throughout my
career it was always like first series of the game,
I'm annoyed, the guy's coming over telling me, like make
sure you stood up, make sure you stood up. And
it's just blowing me away that they've been able to
get away with it, like we've kind of eliminated what
that real line is anymore. And so I think there's
some things that need to get fixed. But also we
can't just continue to say we're gonna keep taking things
out of the game and taking hits out of the
game and these and it's just like, as a player,
(15:32):
you're like, man, I am so confused. How you want
me to even possibly play the game right? I can't
imagine being a defender right now and saying, like, what
exactly is my strike zone? Now? Not only do I
not have a strike zone, now you're gonna tell me
how I can fall and how I can dictate how
I drop on a tackle. Like, just to me, it
makes zero sense. It's like, I don't know how you think.
(15:52):
And I think that's the problem. Maybe I don't know.
I think they think you're thinking while you're doing these things.
It's like you're playing a game like an animal. You're
a tiger trying to get your prey on the ground. Right,
there's no thinking going into this. So I'm trying. I
got to process while I'm trying to tackle somebody.
Speaker 1 (16:05):
I'm about to hit a quarterback, But is it within
two steps of him releasing the ball. I've got to
hit a quarterback and as I was just smacking him
with all my force before he east the ground, let me
turn and then give myself an ac sprain, So this
quarterback's okay, Yeah, my chest.
Speaker 4 (16:17):
Is like I want to see egregious things called outside
of that, like if it's debatable, like I don't want
if it's debatable, let's not call it. That's how I feel.
Speaker 1 (16:24):
That's literally like how I've always felt about when I
was like, let him play now if it's if it's
one of those like all right, yeah, sitch a button down,
like that's that's a flag.
Speaker 4 (16:33):
If it's one of.
Speaker 1 (16:33):
Those like what was he in the gray area? If
you don't let that play and let us have fun,
come on, make it fun again. You know, with your
legacy intact, you playing twenty years, you've seen a lot
of things come and go. You retire, and what is
it two years out? It's two years two years now?
The end of the era of the Bill Belichick and
Pete Carroll situation, you know, like an end of an era?
(16:55):
Does that even sit right? Like it does it feel
weird to know Bill Belichick?
Speaker 4 (16:58):
Like, yeah, I to think about we going the next
fall and there's no Bill Belichick, Pete Carroll and even
Nick Saban. I think it like like you just kind
of like in your mind you think of college football,
you think of pro football, You're like, all right, I'm
gonna see something about Nick Saban this fall. I'm gonna
seeth about Bill Belichick Pete Carroll. Like it's just it's
wild to think the next fall you're gonna be enter
that world. And it's it's, man, it's unbelievable because obviously
(17:21):
people could say whatever they want about the time when
Tom's being gone. What Bill Belichick's one of the greatest
coaches that's ever coach in the NFL period, That's it.
And then you know, Pete Carroll his legacies as unbelievable.
I mean talking about a guy what not just an
unbelievable coach, but could rally a football team at a
time where you're like, man, the Seas Salks are done,
they got no chance. And then all of a sudden,
(17:41):
you're like, whoa, We're playing the best team in the
NFL when you walk out there, and it's something magical
he was able to do to create this spirit with
his football team. And then obviously Nick Saban, you know,
I was his first recruiting class at LSU, got a
chance to play for him there, won a national championship
way back so to watch him walk away. Man always
is like one of the guys who had the biggest
(18:01):
influence on me in my entire life. And Bill used
to always come to our facility in the off seasons
when I was in college. There just being around those
two guys rare, rare coaches, Man, and I know a
lot of influence on who I am, no doubt.
Speaker 1 (18:13):
Well, I appreciate you tapping in. I a't gonna hold
up too much longer, you know. I feel like today's
podcast is like a variety show. We got a lot
of great a lot of legends going through and I'm
so happy that you were able to have find some
time to sit down with the kid on off the
edge of the podcast.
Speaker 4 (18:26):
Appreciate it. Man, You're an absolute legend yourself. Man, one
of the most unbelievable careers on the edge of anybody.
Speaker 1 (18:31):
I appreciate you, my guy.
Speaker 4 (18:32):
I appreciate you.
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Speaker 5 (19:09):
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Speaker 6 (19:11):
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Speaker 5 (19:14):
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Speaker 6 (19:17):
Then at
I'm sitting here on Off the Edge the podcast with
the man that needs no introduction of former NFL MVP,
a man who can still sling the rock and we
know he can do it if he gets a chance
to do it. Somebody who's been a pro bowler, all
pro NFL MVP should have been, you know, is the
number one draft pick up, the most elite draft class
to ever have been in existing in the twenty eleven
draft class. You know, from a CAM to a CAM
(00:26):
in a draft that had three cams. We're just missing
the other one, you know as a Cam trifecta at
the time. And here we are a CAM duo with
Cam Newton, the man, the legend himself, mister game changer,
two game manager, at the most relevant time of our
NFL experiences. Uh, listen, what else can what else can
I say that you get that you don't speak for yourself.
Speaker 2 (00:47):
We can say that we can enjoy each other's company.
Speaker 3 (00:51):
Now, I've always enjoyed your company, No like I didn't
enjoy yours. Meant to be a troll, I think for you, Bro,
And I was having this conversation with Matt Ryan yesterday.
Speaker 2 (01:05):
Tell me a more competitive division, right, during that.
Speaker 3 (01:11):
Two thousand and thirteen, fourteen, fifteen, sixteen seventeen in that
Sea South.
Speaker 1 (01:17):
There wasn't how could there have been animosity at every level.
Speaker 3 (01:23):
Every out of what is it to out of eight
games a year, that's half your schedule, you know, like
the Saint's coming.
Speaker 1 (01:32):
Yeah, not even locked in. Oh oh it's it's it's
blood in the water.
Speaker 2 (01:36):
It's like, bro, tight yo up? Oh can I can? I?
Speaker 1 (01:40):
Yeah, te yo up?
Speaker 3 (01:43):
Because Roma Harper petty King, like Jinx petty King, like
all that pettiness. Also the mission don't don't don't, don't
don't know. I said, oh my, that's just bro.
Speaker 2 (01:59):
Yeah it will.
Speaker 3 (02:00):
Was one of those times where it's like, bro, you
got to tighten yo up because not only are they gritty,
they have that continuity that a lot of teams miss
when I think about great defenses.
Speaker 2 (02:13):
It's hard not to mention, you guys, it's kind of
rain in that stint.
Speaker 3 (02:16):
Compared to the Baltimore Ravens, compared to the forty nine
ers at that particular point in time, it was just.
Speaker 1 (02:22):
At a.
Speaker 3 (02:25):
Unit that thrived our opportunistics and was able to create
pressure with just a four man.
Speaker 1 (02:32):
Rush man, and it was. It was a time to
be had to like you know, there was there was
times there was a touchdown that I think you had
had in the end zone in the Superdome. You did
the you know the patentent hand. They opened up the
chest shoulder, you know, open up the Superman vibes, and
I was like, man and you was like Loki pass
passed by me and like had brushed me, and I
was like this brush can't happen. So it was like
(02:53):
I like I like jumped like it wasn't a brush,
it was a bump. And You're like you like looked
at me and like turn around and he doing these
and my guy Curtis Lofton and like went up to
push you next you know, big wiren push Curtis Lofton.
I saw, I saw him go, and.
Speaker 2 (03:09):
I find myself in the back of the thirty.
Speaker 1 (03:12):
People fighting in thirty people fighting and next thing, you know,
like I went to like grab October and you can't
grab my tober. He got my weight and seving me
tree stump, you know, and so Nix. You know, we're
out here sprawled out fighting in the back and zone.
It's it's times like that that you really enjoyed the rivalry,
and that's what makes it feel.
Speaker 4 (03:31):
Like a rivalry, you know the thing.
Speaker 3 (03:33):
I know our rivalry was one to kind of consider,
but being from Atlanta, Yeah, I don't think that there's
a better rivalry than Atlanta and New Orleans.
Speaker 1 (03:45):
Absolutely, no, like that I hate him.
Speaker 3 (03:47):
Yeah, It's one of those things that it's not even
it's deeper than football in that thing because when Katrina hit,
a lot of New Orleans natives came to Atlanta. Yeah,
so that con that that type of connectivity back to
the city of New Orleans and Atlanta, that merger and
(04:09):
to have a football game, that's where it was like
a little kind of different. And I only know that
because I'm a native of Atlanta and seeing that type
of you know, energy in the city for that particular time.
Speaker 1 (04:19):
Man, you know that that energy, Loan, this makes you
like want to be a villain towards Atlanta and you
know it just our our division, Loan, like maybe want
to be a villain towards you because you are a
minis towards everybody else, like you wore them up on
other people's sidelines. And like just looking I was like
it was like everything about him like you have to
go after and so that said, now you're you know,
I'm in the podcast world. You've clearly got your podcast.
(04:41):
Is that is that a rivalry hood? Like you've got
you've got never that's your your your podcast? Tell me,
tell me more about it. Because you sit down with
the cigar, you got the lounge, you you're you're.
Speaker 3 (04:49):
That's missing right now? I mean I got it close by.
It's just being authentic, authentic to who I am.
Speaker 4 (04:56):
You know.
Speaker 3 (04:56):
I think for my whole career, a lot of people
have always had the question, is Cam Newton real?
Speaker 2 (05:02):
Is this an energy that? Like what is he?
Speaker 3 (05:05):
You're not used to seeing this type of energy on
the field. Folks are able to see a quarterback play
and have fun and dance and jump around and.
Speaker 2 (05:13):
Like is that really? Like what the is that?
Speaker 5 (05:15):
Like?
Speaker 3 (05:15):
We can't So I've always had to protect, you know,
my sanity, but also protect what I was playing for franchises, brands, players, coaches,
and now in podcasts, and it's like I don't give
a damn, Like let's like bring on.
Speaker 2 (05:36):
The problems, bring on the problems, bring like one of
them things and I enjoy it.
Speaker 1 (05:42):
Brow you're just uncut.
Speaker 3 (05:46):
Yeah, Yeah, it's like when you're in this position, I'm
able to tell these type of stories, you know, in
an unfiltered way, not to protect anybody's image of anybody
who knows me, know, like I.
Speaker 2 (06:00):
You'll keep the Bro code, the Bro code, but I'm
able to tell.
Speaker 3 (06:04):
It more like cutting the way that it's like, yo,
I could tell that you know what I'm saying, Like
I just had, you know, a conversation with Greg Goldsen.
Speaker 5 (06:10):
Bro.
Speaker 3 (06:10):
We're just talking about certain things and it's like, damn dog,
like I.
Speaker 2 (06:13):
Missed that absolutely and they asked me like, yo, Bro,
are you coming back?
Speaker 3 (06:16):
I don't know, Like I'm different, like I'm a family
man now you know what I'm saying. I got children,
I got kids that expected me to be home when
they come back from school.
Speaker 1 (06:26):
And what can't be right? Because you know what we're
gonna do. I'm just gonna shoot over to your podcast
and we're gonna were gonna continue to if you want
part part two to this part one, check me out
off the Part two of the cams Apostophees. Here we
(07:01):
are my podcast Off the Edge with me your host
Cam Jordan, and it feels like a variety show because
I get to see all these legends and media row
at the Super Bowl, and I'm sitting here with a
future Hall of Famer, a man who played twenty years
in the league between the Cincinnati Bengals. Some people call
the Bengals, I call them Bengals in the Los Angeles Rams,
winning a super Bowl with them and then walking off
(07:23):
in style after the wind with Super Bowl and the
babies had the kids there sitting there like my work
is complete. Andrew Withwurthy, Man, I appreciate you tapping in man.
Speaker 4 (07:33):
Happy to be here. Bro, what a week man, it's
been awesome. Yeah.
Speaker 1 (07:36):
I mean, as a watch guy myself, I look down
at the Panoria, I'm like, I like it. Come but
no were.
Speaker 4 (07:42):
I just got it. When you're big, fatherly, you gotta
have a couple accessories, you know, because everybody see you,
Like God, this dude's huge. You know, you need a
little something to kind of look.
Speaker 1 (07:49):
I'll cut your monts if you will. But sitting here,
you know you started off in Louisiana, so we have
our Louisiana connects here and living out in Los Angeles
a place that I hope to one day get to. Uh,
but the tax back the way the taxes work. I'ma
be right there in Arizona. Yeah, yeah, I understand that,
but you you're here. Media week clearly went to NFL honors.
Uh do you still enjoy going to the honor shows?
Speaker 4 (08:11):
Well, I gotta say, first off, unbelievable. That was so good. Well,
it's good. I can't I imagine they had to kind
of like, let you know that was going on, and
there might have been a little like we're doing what man?
But that was cool. That was good, and that's exactly
what happened.
Speaker 1 (08:23):
Like, Cam, you're gonna present the award, I said, dope,
Kirk Cousins gonna be with you. Great, Hey, we got
a little something specially awesome twenty four hours before Hey rehearsal,
we got these dance moves.
Speaker 4 (08:31):
Excuse me, excuse me.
Speaker 1 (08:33):
I know I know how to pass rush. All right,
all right.
Speaker 4 (08:36):
I thought it was awesome that. I actually thought it
was probably one of the best honors I've seen. I thought, really,
the whole show was awesome.
Speaker 1 (08:42):
Started off.
Speaker 4 (08:42):
Yeah, I mean it's Vegas, so yeah, it is. It's
easy to kind of pull some of that off. But gosh,
it was great.
Speaker 1 (08:46):
I thought, Man, it's it's awesome, especially when you talk
about you, you being a Walter Payton Man of the
Year winner a couple of years back. Just tell me
about what it means to win, because I mean, I've
been nominating three times, but as a winner, does it
change perspective? There's James perception of.
Speaker 4 (09:01):
I don't think so. I think what's cool And I
think sometimes, you know, you think about those awards, we
talk about the winner, and you know, obviously Kim Heyward,
unbelievably deserving, a tremendous human being, have had a chance
with Thursday Night Football now to have them a couple
years in a row and get to kind of tell
his story and things that he does in the community.
But I think also to me, we get lost in
those other thirty one and it's like, man, all those
(09:23):
guys are doing such amazing stuff, and I think that's
one of the coolest parts of this league. And one
of the rarest things I think about our business is
that I don't know how many businesses in the world
that the people who are benefiting from that business also
are spending so much of their time investing all that
back into the communities they play in the communities they
came from. I just think there's such a spirit of
(09:43):
pay it forward in our league that I just think
is really cool that people feel that vibe from these
players and they come to these shows. These guys love
what they do, they have a passion be great at it,
but they also have a passion for everyone else that
they can help achieve those streams that they want as well.
Speaker 1 (09:58):
Absolutely, I always think about like just the highlight you're
putting you like, I didn't even know he did the
type of work, Like how how many guys are going
out their way to give their time effort, you know,
beyond just money, but just the ability to give back
to the community for raise awareness for their for their causes.
And uh. As much as I do, I feel like
I'm always reinspired.
Speaker 4 (10:18):
Yep.
Speaker 1 (10:18):
I'm like, oh, I'm not doing enough. I gotta do more.
I was like, it's it's sort of like a competitive
to give back mode. It's like, yeah, it is.
Speaker 4 (10:23):
I think you know this, like when you get nominated,
you see the other guys that getting nominated, you go
read what they're doing and you're like, dang, I need
to get all.
Speaker 1 (10:29):
All I'm doing is giving up the two days or
all I'm doing, It's like it becomes.
Speaker 4 (10:32):
I always felt challenged, like all right, I can do
more like every time. And I think that's the cool
nature of our league is it doesn't matter for competing
on the field for wins or we're out there saying, hey,
how can we affect the community and make a difference
for people around us? Uh, let's be the best at it.
And I think that's a nature and a vibe and
a culture that we've started in that award and obviously
Walter Payton set the president for all of us. That
(10:53):
is a great thing for our league.
Speaker 1 (10:54):
Absolutely tune this back to football, you know, wrapping up
the award show. But there was a record number of
sets that happened this year and as a defensive lignment,
I love it. And as as after the season I had,
I hated it because I mean I got injured Week eleven.
It was sort of just like just a run stopper
this year and it hurt my feelings. I was like,
they're letting go sacks and here we are. You know,
(11:14):
what do you think as an office alignment, like how
did that come about? It? Is it timing from quarterbacks?
Is it the lack of technique is officer of the
linem a getting better and slower.
Speaker 4 (11:22):
Uh, you know, I think that there's a mixture of reasons.
But I think one of the things that's affected the
game too is that you could see the drop back
game living in the shotgun world. I think you know
this as a rusher, it's a much different world when
he's under center, and you kind of got to think
there might give be a combination of things that could
happen on a play. And when they're gonna be sitting
back there at eight yards and you know it every
single play, it kind of gives you an opportunity to say, hey,
(11:44):
I know where he's gonna be, and I know what
I got to do to get there. And so I
think there's there's a nature that's changing. And then also
you look at it, really the true pocket passing quarterbacks,
like there's just not as many that are just gonna
sit there and stay there. There's a lot of guys
running around now moving. They're being encouraged to Hey, I
don't know what coverage it.
Speaker 1 (12:01):
Is, but you also don't know where your guy is because.
Speaker 4 (12:03):
You're, yeah, m the quarterbacks are moving. So those guys
those ball in their hand longer always leads to more sacks.
So I think that we're going to see that. But
I think eventually like you're going to see a term
because obviously it's been a point of since like improving
offensive line play. And I talked to Roger Goodell actually
a few weeks ago about how do we continue to
make that an emphasis because it's just a challenge. You
look at youth sports always saying let's go back to
(12:24):
where it starts. You know, everything's kind of flagged now.
A lot of guys are being pushed a less contact
less hitting, so you're taking away really developing lineman at
a young age. And then college football, that game's completely changed.
I mean, they don't block any of the plays that
they're going to block in the NFL football and college
football anymore. And then in the pro game, we've taken
away their offseasons. We've kind of taken away a lot
(12:44):
of like that time in camp and those hitting days
that they got to train to be alignment because it's
just a different position. And so I think you really
look at it on the back end and the front end,
we've kind of taken a lot of the reps that
developed these guys to be who they are, and so
that's the challenge, and I think we got to find
way as we can improve there.
Speaker 1 (13:01):
Yeah, it takes a thousand hours of master craft and
now you're working with like five hundred from even the
time I got into the league.
Speaker 4 (13:08):
And think about it. Obviously, offensive linemen are not the
best athlete on the field, but when we starting about
pound for pound, moving bodies like that, who they are.
It's one of the rarest positions in the world because
it's the only one where you play with your back
to the ball, like you were literally basing off of
what you hope is happening behind you and playing a position.
So it's awkward to learn. So it takes time to
understand the body positions and really the feel that you've
(13:30):
got to know without ever being able to see what's
happening behind you the game. Yeah, man, he's getting he's
getting look at it. I got him. He's Swain. He's
kind of like the soft spot, right, He's like dangn no, no.
Speaker 1 (13:41):
See. As much as most of Chegri and I as
I have against an offensive linement, it's because I started
off that way. Like nobody, nobody wants to get off
alignment like shot off like small balls like linebacker safety.
Speaker 4 (13:53):
Oh yeah.
Speaker 1 (13:53):
And then got to high school, was like offic aligneman,
No ye do.
Speaker 4 (13:57):
I do with my kids? My kids team? I coach
my kids, every kid on the team. I'm listen. You
guys don't want to play oh line, y'all gotta go
find some bigger kids, because whoever you are, that's the
biggest You're playing O line like this is what it is.
Speaker 1 (14:09):
And so you know, once I had my chance, I
was like d line and I'm never coming back. Yep,
you know, but just beyond that, you know, beyond the
office line play and even you know the amount of
sacks that happened this year because I was excited about it.
Just think about the rules that are affecting this game.
You know, we talk about the time that's affected the game,
the rules that are affecting this game. You know, the
line judge being behind the opposite line. So now it
(14:30):
seems like you know, officer the line and are clearly
getting away with jumping out sides. We're not gonna say
there's there's an offensive tackle on the Super Bowl, a
Super Bowl contending team that like leads the charging that
but this, Uh, the way the game is evolving and
the rules, how are guys? Is it affecting guys being
coached and is affecting technique?
Speaker 4 (14:47):
Yeah, I think you look at it. There's obviously some
big ones that are coming up this offseason. I mean defensively,
the hip drop tackle stuff. You know, we're talking about
the line of scrimmage after the Gadarius Tony play and really, uh,
even on the other side with Joan Taylor in the
right tackle and his depth that he's said he sits
in his stance at I mean death is crazy.
Speaker 1 (15:03):
I'm like, he's not even like you used to have
to be within Like what if the hip length of
the center. These guys are out here like a flying
V formation.
Speaker 4 (15:10):
They are, And it's blown me away because throughout my
career it was always like first series of the game,
I'm annoyed, the guy's coming over telling me, like make
sure you stood up, make sure you stood up. And
it's just blowing me away that they've been able to
get away with it, like we've kind of eliminated what
that real line is anymore. And so I think there's
some things that need to get fixed. But also we
can't just continue to say we're gonna keep taking things
out of the game and taking hits out of the
game and these and it's just like, as a player,
(15:32):
you're like, man, I am so confused. How you want
me to even possibly play the game right? I can't
imagine being a defender right now and saying, like, what
exactly is my strike zone? Now? Not only do I
not have a strike zone, now you're gonna tell me
how I can fall and how I can dictate how
I drop on a tackle. Like, just to me, it
makes zero sense. It's like, I don't know how you think.
(15:52):
And I think that's the problem. Maybe I don't know.
I think they think you're thinking while you're doing these things.
It's like you're playing a game like an animal. You're
a tiger trying to get your prey on the ground. Right,
there's no thinking going into this. So I'm trying. I
got to process while I'm trying to tackle somebody.
Speaker 1 (16:05):
I'm about to hit a quarterback, But is it within
two steps of him releasing the ball. I've got to
hit a quarterback and as I was just smacking him
with all my force before he east the ground, let me
turn and then give myself an ac sprain, So this
quarterback's okay, Yeah, my chest.
Speaker 4 (16:17):
Is like I want to see egregious things called outside
of that, like if it's debatable, like I don't want
if it's debatable, let's not call it. That's how I feel.
Speaker 1 (16:24):
That's literally like how I've always felt about when I
was like, let him play now if it's if it's
one of those like all right, yeah, sitch a button down,
like that's that's a flag.
Speaker 4 (16:33):
If it's one of.
Speaker 1 (16:33):
Those like what was he in the gray area? If
you don't let that play and let us have fun,
come on, make it fun again. You know, with your
legacy intact, you playing twenty years, you've seen a lot
of things come and go. You retire, and what is
it two years out? It's two years two years now?
The end of the era of the Bill Belichick and
Pete Carroll situation, you know, like an end of an era?
(16:55):
Does that even sit right? Like it does it feel
weird to know Bill Belichick?
Speaker 4 (16:58):
Like, yeah, I to think about we going the next
fall and there's no Bill Belichick, Pete Carroll and even
Nick Saban. I think it like like you just kind
of like in your mind you think of college football,
you think of pro football, You're like, all right, I'm
gonna see something about Nick Saban this fall. I'm gonna
seeth about Bill Belichick Pete Carroll. Like it's just it's
wild to think the next fall you're gonna be enter
that world. And it's it's, man, it's unbelievable because obviously
(17:21):
people could say whatever they want about the time when
Tom's being gone. What Bill Belichick's one of the greatest
coaches that's ever coach in the NFL period, That's it.
And then you know, Pete Carroll his legacies as unbelievable.
I mean talking about a guy what not just an
unbelievable coach, but could rally a football team at a
time where you're like, man, the Seas Salks are done,
they got no chance. And then all of a sudden,
(17:41):
you're like, whoa, We're playing the best team in the
NFL when you walk out there, and it's something magical
he was able to do to create this spirit with
his football team. And then obviously Nick Saban, you know,
I was his first recruiting class at LSU, got a
chance to play for him there, won a national championship
way back so to watch him walk away. Man always
is like one of the guys who had the biggest
(18:01):
influence on me in my entire life. And Bill used
to always come to our facility in the off seasons
when I was in college. There just being around those
two guys rare, rare coaches, Man, and I know a
lot of influence on who I am, no doubt.
Speaker 1 (18:13):
Well, I appreciate you tapping in. I a't gonna hold
up too much longer, you know. I feel like today's
podcast is like a variety show. We got a lot
of great a lot of legends going through and I'm
so happy that you were able to have find some
time to sit down with the kid on off the
edge of the podcast.
Speaker 4 (18:26):
Appreciate it. Man, You're an absolute legend yourself. Man, one
of the most unbelievable careers on the edge of anybody.
Speaker 1 (18:31):
I appreciate you, my guy.
Speaker 4 (18:32):
I appreciate you.
Speaker 6 (19:00):
Asturn then Drunking and Aston Apron.
Speaker 5 (19:04):
Truncame by Astron.
Speaker 6 (19:05):
Delay, then run came and Astern.
Speaker 5 (19:09):
Front, Trudy by Eastern.
Speaker 6 (19:11):
Delay, then Runking and Aston Apron.
Speaker 5 (19:14):
Truncay by Eastern delay.
Speaker 6 (19:17):
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