March 27, 2024 • 40 mins
Join us for a special seven-week series of "Off the Edge with Cam Jordan," where we're featuring some of the standout interviews from Season 1.
This week, Cam revisits his conversation with his teammate linebacker Demario Davis. Cam kicks off the conversation by celebrating Demario's achievement of making the All-Pro team for the fifth time in his career, offering well-deserved recognition for the linebacker’s outstanding performance on the field.
Demario shares his relentless dedication to training and maintaining a Super Bowl mindset even during the off-season. Drawing inspiration from LeBron James, Demario reveals how he channels his admiration for James’s career longevity into his career, fueling his determination to play for another four to five years.
Reflecting on his journey, Demario opens up about overcoming burnout and the brink of retirement at the age of 27, to ultimately becoming an All-Pro in his thirties.
Demario discusses his broader aspirations and the legacy he aims to leave behind beyond the football field.
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Speaker 1 (00:04):
What's up, people, it's your boy, Cam Jay back with
another episode of Off the Edge with Cam Jordan. Now
as we gear it for another exciting season, I wanted
to reflect on some of the incredible guests I had
the pleasure of sitting down with last season. But hey,
don't worry, though, I got you new episodes coming your
way real soon. Relax, I got you. But in the meantime,
(00:24):
in between time, let's rewind and play back some of
my favorite interviews from season one. This week, I'm bringing
you the heart and soul of the Saints defense linebacker extraordinaire,
the man on a mission, none other than my guy,
linebacker d Mario Davis.
Speaker 2 (00:51):
I appreciate you tapping in this Off the Edge with
Cam Jordan.
Speaker 1 (00:54):
I get to bring to you my guy, my dog,
probably probably my ace on the team this year. Like,
if I'm gonna talk to somebody, it's gonna be this dude.
If I'm gonna need you know, if I need help,
it's gonna be this guy. And if he needs to
come talk to my d line.
Speaker 2 (01:06):
He can't talk to me.
Speaker 1 (01:08):
There's an open line of communication with my guy Tomorrow
Davis All Pro, five time All Pro tomorrow. Like, let's
not be light on that five time All pro only
got one pro bo, which is not adding up like
the talent in the way that Tomorrow Davis's name holds.
Speaker 2 (01:23):
In the NFL. Is still only one pro bo so far,
maybe two this maybe two this year. But like, for
sure he should be.
Speaker 1 (01:30):
A multiple, multiple time pro bowler. He's a multiple multiple
All Pro. Double D appreciates you for tapping in my God, my.
Speaker 3 (01:36):
God, actually having me all man then is all mine? Man.
Speaker 2 (01:40):
Let's let's just let's talk about this.
Speaker 1 (01:43):
You and you keep up to date, like if anybody
keeps up to date with the Saints and what's going
on in the NFL, it's you like a student of
the game, a master of a lot.
Speaker 2 (01:52):
You know, when we talk about current Evince, you're usually
up to par. Since you've heard you've heard the news.
Speaker 1 (01:57):
We've had some we've had some coaches go, how you
feeling like it's all off of the side, But a
couple of them go, I mean.
Speaker 4 (02:04):
It's it's it's it's the business. It's the business of
the game. You know, it's tough because it's a reminder
that we dropped the ball as a whole, Like what
you want to happen is to have success, and everybody's
getting promoted, which we've seen have success. Other guys go
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get big time jobs and now they win and playoff games.
Speaker 3 (02:33):
That's what you want to be. You want to be
in a sweet spot.
Speaker 4 (02:35):
Guys getting contracts, guys uh, you know, going getting resigned,
Guys going to other teams getting getting paid, which has
been our experience in the past. But when you have
an off season like this because of multiple years not
getting it done, and now there's man, it's mandatory that
(02:56):
something has to change, and who.
Speaker 3 (02:59):
Is that going to be.
Speaker 4 (03:00):
Man, it's gonna look different on the roster, from the
player's side, it's gonna look different from the coaching side.
And it's just a reminder that we dropped the ball
as a whole. I mean, at any point when you
don't get it done, somebody's gonna be the one that
has to follow on the sword to beat the scapegoat.
And and and we're seeing that it's happening. Uh. I
(03:23):
think this is the beginning of that attempt to make
a change, or that attempt to something has to be done.
And it's unfortunate, you know, like uh, you know, Pete
Bob Cody, my guy.
Speaker 2 (03:39):
Joel Thomas went to the Giants John Fire, but just
like just like lateral movement and I'm not even thinking
it was like.
Speaker 1 (03:47):
Going to like let's let's keep that a b you know,
like when when the officer guys go, I mean I
had I was like.
Speaker 2 (03:55):
What I said, what did Bob do? What Bobs?
Speaker 3 (04:00):
And I think it best friend the peak. It's like,
I guess they felt like he was gonna be a
mold or something.
Speaker 1 (04:08):
Man if I got to get rid of Pa, gotta
get rid of his man's Okay, Okay, that makes sense,
all right, man, I'm sorry I had like that was
just off my mind. First question I asked, but this
week off, how are you living?
Speaker 2 (04:20):
Man? Like? What's your first week of off season? Off?
Is it off season?
Speaker 3 (04:24):
Like?
Speaker 1 (04:24):
Is it the same every year? How do you process
the end of a season in two off season? Because
that dynamic changes for you tremendously. For me, I just
go back to the crib. You you're back in Nashville.
Speaker 3 (04:35):
Yeah, that's the crib for me. Now, I think every
year is different.
Speaker 4 (04:40):
I traditionally keep the same framework, but it's a season
by season thing just because of the emotional part.
Speaker 3 (04:49):
So as for me, like I'll keep training.
Speaker 4 (04:52):
I'll stay doing my recovery regiment all the way through
the Super Bowl, like I trained specifically so my body
is ready for this time of year. And so it's
like I'm like a I'm like a Ferrari just sitting
in the garage right now, Like I'm meant to be
on the road going fast right now, Like That's what
I'm trained for. And so it's disappointing when we're not
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doing it because my body feels fresh. It feels like
like I can go and I'm throwing my kids up.
Speaker 3 (05:19):
It ain't like I'm in shutdown mode or tired mode.
Speaker 4 (05:22):
Like I'm out playing in the snow with my kids
earlier in the day, like running around.
Speaker 3 (05:26):
My legs feel fresh, and.
Speaker 2 (05:27):
I'm like a snow outside.
Speaker 3 (05:30):
Yeah, it's it got like seven eight inches. I heard
That's why I'm hot.
Speaker 2 (05:35):
Hot seven eight bro. That's disgusting. I do not like that.
Speaker 4 (05:42):
And the horrible part is just the dry snow, so
like you can't even make a snowball or a snowman,
like you just pick it up and it just crumbles
in your hands.
Speaker 3 (05:49):
Hold. So I keep training all the way through, but
I process different.
Speaker 4 (05:55):
So it just depends on like where I'm emotional and
I think, you know, this just finished my twelfth season,
thirty just turned thirty five years old, have a comp
a lot in the game, and now it's where where
do I want to go? And so now it's man,
I want to process. My goal is to do forty
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five more.
Speaker 3 (06:17):
Like that's a goal.
Speaker 1 (06:19):
Yeah, well, you said you And you said that earlier
this year for the first time, and I looked at
you because we've talked about over the years.
Speaker 2 (06:25):
You're like, I don't know how many more left? And
I was like, bro, what you mean you're not playing
at such a high level. What are you talking about?
Speaker 1 (06:32):
No, Man, the tolld And I was like, oh, all right,
and this year you hit me with the forty five more.
Speaker 2 (06:37):
I said, oh, I love to hear You're like, what
brought you to that?
Speaker 3 (06:42):
There was a revelation, man, it was a revelation.
Speaker 4 (06:46):
Man. I've my favorite player in the NBA is Lebron
of course, and I've tracked my whole life, I mean
his whole career. I've tracked him. I can give you
almost every statistic, every playoff game, Like, uh, but now
I have a reason to track him. Like it was like,
I want to play two years after Lebron finished, and
(07:08):
I'm just so mesmerized by his.
Speaker 3 (07:10):
Longevity, his durability.
Speaker 4 (07:12):
He's still playing at a high level, though they team
not doing as good as good as my team. Okay, see,
let's make sure we have clarity there. The Lakers beat
us the other night. But I admire his longevity. His
durability is his constant being at the top of his game.
But last year he led the league in past break points.
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Who does that at thirty seven thirty eight years old?
And I'm like, man, if he running and jumping with
these young boys is coming in the league, I don't
have no excuse being I'm four years younger than him.
And so I'm like, well, bron probably gonna play two
more years. We know he want to play with Bronnie,
And so if I say I want to be in
a game two years after he's done, they give me
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four to five more years. And so I just just
give me a rapid the chase. When I have a rabbit,
it makes me, it makes me go. And so I
got a goal in mind, and it's just rejuvenated.
Speaker 2 (08:06):
I was like I'm not gonna lie to you.
Speaker 1 (08:07):
I was been wondering because I said, what so you
not even changed somebody like like lateral in your position?
You like, Nah, I see the greatest of all time
Lebron So I'm gonna outplay. I'm gonna out play his longevity.
That's crazy to think about. Forty five years gonna put
you in like year sixteen, seventeen.
Speaker 2 (08:24):
I love that for you. I'm gonna watch you. I'm
gonna watch you know year fifteen.
Speaker 3 (08:31):
Come on, bro, come on out.
Speaker 1 (08:33):
W I told you this revelation of mine I had
two years ago over here to push you. Hey, I
love you, my boy, God knows, God know you, my
man's It's gonna take. It's gonna take Wifey to say
a lot for me to come back after year fifteen.
Because I love I love football. I'm willing to give
it my all. Fifteen is gonna be the mental the
mental hurdle that we'll talk about later. Let's just talk about,
(08:54):
you know, not even just the long jezy playing, but
at the high level, you've been playing like you didn't
even hit your first All Pro till you turn third.
You was at the New Orleans Saints, you you know,
you were from the Jets, where you know you would
says a heavy market, you know, one of those those
marketing places that all you have to do is be
semi quasi, you know, explosive, stand out on the field,
and you're going to get your accolade immediately, you know,
(09:15):
to be I don't know, I still don't know how
you went, why or how you went to the Browns
back to the Jets, but then you came to New
Orleans and you've played your best football. It just is
what it is. Five All pros gives you direct access
and it's hard to make All pro, especially in the Saints,
Like it's a hard market to excel it in terms of
the eyes, in terms of the accolades, whatever comes, you
have to earn it.
Speaker 2 (09:35):
And you've you've done all of that. Like I said,
so five pro but like five all pros, how did
you like, how did you reflect on reaching this milestone?
Because there's I think there's only like four or five
Saints players that ever reached five All pros. In general.
Speaker 4 (09:48):
I think it goes back to twenty sixteen me and
a conversation, a conversation that I had with God. I
was ready to retire in twenty sixteen, one year with
the Browns. I feel like, you know, playing with the
Browns when they was the Browns that I was on
and to make anybody want to retire. But man, I
(10:09):
was ready to throw it in. I didn't have I
didn't have the mindset to change greatness no more. My
body was hurting and I went into my PreK clause.
Man I just said, God, I'm done, I'm finished. But
I knew he wasn't done with me yet. So it
was like I was throwing in the tower. It's just like,
if you don't want me to do more, you gonna
have to do it. I was like, God, you got
to rejuven in my mind, you gotta rejuven in my body.
Speaker 3 (10:30):
And I literally prayed that.
Speaker 4 (10:32):
It was like I heard an audible voice of God
just say like, thank you for throwing in the towel.
I got it from here, and don't forget that you
threw in the town. That's why I tell that story
so often, because I can't. I have to give credit
to what it's due. And slowly, but surely, man, I
just started training different and I found a way to
be more efficient in my game. Now I've been always
(10:54):
been doing the numbers, go back to my second year,
my early years with the Jet, I was always doing
one hundred tackles. I was always doing three to four sacks.
I was doing the numbers, but my game was just sloppy.
Plus I was with the Jets twenty seventeen. After that moment,
I come back, and not only do I got the production,
(11:15):
I got the efficiency the match. So I'm not missing
as many tackles, I'm not getting beat and coverage. You know,
I'm making my plays in the backfield versus you know,
three or four yards down the line, down the field.
Just cleaning my game up a lot, And that was
probably statistically one of my best seasons. But the same time,
I was with the Jets and nobody saw it. Fast
(11:36):
forward twenty eighteen. I come to the Saints and we
go to the conference championship game. I'm doing the same thing,
but everybody sees it, and now I was welcome to
is welcome to the NFL. Per se I kind of
to me.
Speaker 2 (11:49):
Welcome to the NFL. Welcome to the NFL. Twenty seventeen.
Speaker 4 (11:52):
Yeah, because twenty seventeen was really like my rookie season
because after that humbling moment there was a new.
Speaker 3 (11:58):
That was a new beast that was away and that
was produce. Yeah.
Speaker 4 (12:03):
Yeah, And so twenty seventeen twenty eighteen was kind of that,
you know, putting it on display. They might have thought
twenty seventeen was a fluke, and I did it again
in twenty eighteen, and then it happened in twenty nineteen.
We didn't go as far as the team, but the
production was still there, and I think that's when the
notarioty came.
Speaker 3 (12:20):
And since then it just hasn't been no drop off.
Speaker 4 (12:23):
I think they thought because it was thirty that there
was going to be drop off, but there wasn't.
Speaker 3 (12:27):
But I think it's because I'm running on something different
and it's the Holy Spirit.
Speaker 1 (12:32):
We're not going to just run through like that was
a time where you know, Man of God, I come
to the house and now he got the Man of
God headband on there.
Speaker 2 (12:39):
I said, that's how you know it's official when everybody
in the house. Body. When did high Breed come come about? Man?
Speaker 4 (12:45):
High Breed probably came in my training in twenty nineteen,
I believe. So twenty eighteen, twenty nineteen, my goal was
just to be the best linebackers in the league. But
twenty nineteen, I believe it was just a lot of
linebackers that was in that conversation.
Speaker 3 (13:03):
And so it was.
Speaker 4 (13:06):
Bobby Wagner, I think Fred was on the scene. Then
between twenty you had guys like Shaq Leonard in that
conversation of David Dead or White started jumping into conversation.
So it was a lot of people. And if you see,
(13:26):
it's always this best linebacker conversation, who's the best linebacker?
And so for me, it became about differentiation and what
is What was differentiation for me was it's a lot
of hybrid players in the league. And a hybrid is
someone who can kind of be a tweiner. Right, you
have a guy who can be a D lineman, but
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he can be also outside linebacker.
Speaker 3 (13:49):
You have a safety slash nickel or nickel slash corner.
You know.
Speaker 4 (13:59):
That Simmons guy that got drafted, Uh that was playing
a Z I think he's a different team now, he.
Speaker 2 (14:05):
Was, Ah, yeah, he's he's never at the Giants now.
Speaker 4 (14:08):
Yeah yeah, And Uh with the high breed was like,
I feel like I can go into a game and
play one position and dominate on all three levels, Like
I feel like they can put me in the game
and safety and I'd be a great box safety. Like
I know all the coverages. I know how to come
up and fit. I can cover one on one on
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tight ends or running back that get put out at
number two every now and then, if it's a slide,
I can I can handle that.
Speaker 3 (14:37):
At the same time, I can go and play the
defensive line.
Speaker 4 (14:40):
I feel like I can be on the edge all game,
which they did for us one time we played the Rams.
Speaker 3 (14:45):
I just had to sit out there on the edge
and ain't gonna talk about that game.
Speaker 2 (14:48):
But I can hold it. It's just cut on the edge.
Now we gotta hold that hold the edge.
Speaker 3 (14:53):
I got respect for all positions.
Speaker 4 (14:55):
I'm not trying to say that, but that's what I
feel like when I'm saying Highbrey is like I can
truly I'm not like a twer. I can play a
line back. I can play defensive line, and I can play.
Speaker 2 (15:06):
Not a high bred high breed like going.
Speaker 4 (15:09):
Built different, yes, sir, different, and like a transformer. I'm transformed.
Whatever you need.
Speaker 1 (15:33):
But is there any game that this year that you
you saw as like the changing moving for our season?
Like I'm clearly going i'mna say, you know, the Week
three matchup versus the Packers, right, because at that time
we talked about it. I was like, we could take
advantage of Jordan Love like this is he's really a
rookie and you know that to me, we were up
seventeen oh and Lambeau was silent. Could hear me snap fingers,
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you know, in the middle of the field to the sidelines,
quiet as and then we end up losing eighteen to seventeen.
Is there a game that you look back like, how
do we lose?
Speaker 2 (16:08):
Like? How did we do this?
Speaker 4 (16:10):
That was a tough game because we were looking to
put it all together, and you just think about like momentum.
I'm a big basketball fan. I feel like this is
one of the best sports where you can see momentum change.
And man, the momentum in that game and the way
it suck the air out of our season early on.
It was like it took us a minute to grapple
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after that because we had just kind of been being
played our best football yet. And then it looked like
we had put it together for a half and we
were ready to come out the second half, and then
DC go down on the first drive. We started reeling
as a defense, and they come back and they put
some drives together. I mean, we had them shut down
in the first half, and then all of a sudden
(16:53):
they just get life. And man, you just you weren't
expecting a game like that to realize that you gave
this game up when when you had it in the back,
and you kind of not want to let one game
turn into two games, you know. But like when I
think about the momentum of that, I think about that,
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that kind of reminds me of like Colorado.
Speaker 3 (17:16):
Everybody followed Colorado football, but they had.
Speaker 4 (17:20):
Kind of had like an up and down season and
then they played I think was Stanford. Was this Stanford
that they blew out the first half and then they
came all the way back and lock and gave that
game up.
Speaker 3 (17:29):
Might have been I think with Stafford.
Speaker 2 (17:30):
But they started off like four to roh and then
all of a sudden.
Speaker 3 (17:34):
They started hot. But then you know, they played.
Speaker 2 (17:38):
Uh usc before, but then they played.
Speaker 4 (17:41):
Like come back and I think that was the Stanford game.
So they won one more than they played Stanford. After
that game, they never recovered. It didn't seem like they
recovered after that, and so I feel like that was
kind of us in Green Bay. We got it in parts,
but we never really got back to that stride until
late in the season. I did like the way that
we finished. If we could have found that earlier in
(18:03):
the year.
Speaker 1 (18:05):
I could have swore we found that when we when
we trounced the Patriots. Now we beat him thirty five.
I said, ah, I said, this is a Bill Belichick
led team like this, It don't matter, like you don't
do this to Bill Belichick minus the players, because you know,
they got Matt juwide on over there, they got the
other air rusher.
Speaker 2 (18:22):
Then you know, running back was running. When the game
was alright, I was like, we thirty five zero the Patriots.
That doesn't happen.
Speaker 1 (18:31):
And then but it was like, like we said, bro,
like you know, the inconsistencies of it all, We really
didn't catch that consistent. All right, this is what we're
gonna do on offense, is going to do on defense.
Speaker 2 (18:40):
Until the end. And I was like, well, that's where
you want to peak anyways, so all we need is
a ticket. And then that didn't happen our way.
Speaker 1 (18:46):
But what you're you're a lot more even killed than
I am, like, you know me, Bro, I'm amped up
on on ten for.
Speaker 2 (18:52):
Everything, and he was like, yeah, so this is what
we got to do during the week.
Speaker 1 (18:55):
And then on then on game day you on you
were on like twelve because you become highbrid you know
what I'm saying.
Speaker 2 (19:01):
You go in that thing and I'm like, you wasn't
acting like this Monday through Saturday.
Speaker 3 (19:09):
Now I did.
Speaker 4 (19:10):
On the work man, I think we just the word
was just inconsistent and we were just too inconsistent this year,
and it was it was very disappointing because we didn't
achieve our goals and we're living in the results of
that because of inconsistency. And for me, my process is
I want to be consistent during the week so that
(19:30):
I can get the same results on Sunday. And individually
I felt like I was able to do that, but
it's in vain because collectively we didn't achieve that. And like,
when i'm that's what my reflective time looks like, it's
could I have done more on that collective piece? And
that's how I'm approaching the off season to figure out
(19:51):
if I can if I can achieve consistency for myself.
How do I how do I spread that? And I
don't think I did a good enough job and and uh.
Speaker 1 (20:00):
Yeah, when you come to that revelation, it did it
start when you were like how did you?
Speaker 2 (20:05):
How did you become so even killed?
Speaker 1 (20:06):
Like you've been able to step back and look at
the game as as a whole. That started off from
your jet days, like the younger days when you had
I'm just thinking about it in your locker room. You
had what Darrell Reewis back in the gap. You had
like original Antonio Commarty, like stone cold Antonio COMMARTI like
Crow Reevers Island.
Speaker 4 (20:24):
Yeah, man, I had great I had great vets Man.
It was Reeves was Crow. I had Dave Harris who
did ten years, Bart Scott who you see o TV now,
Calvin Pace, the Brickershaw Ferguson on the offensive side, So
I wasn't just dealing with defensive guys. The Brickershaw Ferguson
on the offense, Nick Mango, Nick Folk, who's still kicking now. Man,
(20:48):
I just had a team full of veterans that you
can just go and pull information from. I played with
DeMont and Laron Landry, uh Man. I had some guys
man that he was just learned so much from guys
who had had a ton of success. Antonio Holmes was
(21:09):
on that team. Mhm uh that you could just pull
information from. You can learn a lot of things of
what to do. You learn a lot of things and
what not to do. But everybody was on my team
was at seven eight years and I'm like, dang, they
the ain't doing it like they passed the threshold.
Speaker 3 (21:27):
You know.
Speaker 4 (21:27):
It was that fear of man, I just trying to
make it three three and three games. Let me just
get my my pension, you know. But I was able
to pull from them guys, just from recovery, from approach,
you know, just how to how to stay in the game.
And I still rely on a lot of those baseline principles.
(21:49):
But I put my own in. I put my own
work in, you know, I found my own lane. I
found what works for me, and I do a lot
of mental training and I think that's what allows me
to be more reflect them. So all throughout the season,
I'm meeting with our team with our team site, which
I just called my mental performance coach, and we were
(22:10):
just talking about the game. We would talk about week
to weeks how to find that consistency. And I was
finding that consistency was in practice. And I just felt
like if I if my routine was working, don't change it.
If it was something that wasn't working, changing and uh,
that's kind of molde. I stayed in and that's why
you seen me even kill. And then when it's game time,
(22:32):
you know, it's all about bringing the warrior out like,
ain't no flinch, ain't no fear. Let's go, and uh,
now it's time to bring everything that you to meditate
it on out for the public.
Speaker 3 (22:43):
Ain't no time to think about it. It's time to go.
And that's what you saw game day.
Speaker 2 (22:47):
Yeah you know what I mean.
Speaker 1 (22:48):
I come to bring hands every day. That's practice, that's breakfast,
that's lunch, that's better. I lived my life.
Speaker 3 (22:56):
Absolutely, it's a walkthrough.
Speaker 1 (22:59):
And so I'm looking for smoke, looking for smoke. Already
I go home, look for smoke. I come back, look
for smoke.
Speaker 2 (23:04):
I'm gonna learn. I'm gonna learn how to be even killed.
Won't be like you when I grow up. I'm gonna
learn how to I'm gonna learn how to chill out.
Speaker 4 (23:10):
I tell you all the time, bro, I asked you
that all the time, Like, how does it feel to
wake up and be camp Jordan?
Speaker 2 (23:17):
Well, I know what I mean.
Speaker 1 (23:21):
Now that I got a son who's just like me,
I can see how can be taxing. See take wake
up and wake up earlier than I do. Just okay,
your sir got your swag all over here?
Speaker 2 (23:53):
Bro, did you think about our locker room this year?
Just safe defense? Alone?
Speaker 1 (23:56):
We had what three or four veterans over thirty you know,
our team had what five or six? Was with me
you Tyron, Derek Carr, what thirty two, Jimmy Graham thirty five,
thirty six that I feel like.
Speaker 2 (24:12):
They had to help.
Speaker 1 (24:12):
But just mixing in the season vets with just that
that young talent like that had to have helped the
team for sure. Let's just talk about our defensive side,
like you talk about it. On every level, there's there's
again you go to the safeties, there's Tyrant Marsham probably
just what seven eight, he's still young. But there's you
on linebackers, me at D line. So that open line
(24:32):
of communication, Bro, it was has always been there, especially
during the games or practice whatever it was. I feel
like that's what I'm I'm looking harping on them like
we have open line of communication, how like, how do
we take that next step?
Speaker 2 (24:46):
But in terms of just talking to younger guys.
Speaker 1 (24:49):
Do you find that it's hard to relate to them?
Do you like when you talk about year one, year
two type players?
Speaker 4 (24:54):
Oh yeah, I think, man, it is. The great piece
is like when you have but at all levels. You
got pro bowl at all levels. So when I when
I look at you on the defensive line, like I know,
I don't have to go talk to all the guys
on D line. I can take a mission to you
and it's gonna go to all the guys. The same
thing with Tyron, I don't have to talk.
Speaker 3 (25:14):
To the dbs.
Speaker 4 (25:15):
I'll just go to him and he will pass it
on whether it's mess for right, ite missed for the game, and.
Speaker 3 (25:19):
So having that is great.
Speaker 4 (25:22):
I do think that there's a communication gap that just
exists in society because of the way that we learned
how to communicate. I'm a iguesst me and you kind
of the same boat. We're kind of like a middle generation,
and so we got pieces of the old school and
we're dealing with people who are all the way digitals
(25:43):
like dog one of the guys in the locker room.
Wasn't boring when nine eleven happened, like.
Speaker 2 (25:48):
Some of the guys, one of the guys, some of
the guys.
Speaker 4 (25:51):
Some of the guys, but we having a conversation about it.
Like he didn't even know what date it was. No,
like it's called not eleven. He was like, no, y, yeah,
I haven't put nobody on the spot. But he was like,
I said, do you know when not eleven happened? He's like, yeah,
it was like November right, No, no, no, no, no, no,
you're trying to fix it.
Speaker 3 (26:12):
But it was a real conversation and everybody was like yo.
Speaker 4 (26:15):
Wow, And it was one of those moments like man,
we are we're kind of like in a in a
time war.
Speaker 3 (26:25):
And but I think.
Speaker 4 (26:27):
It's still the onus of the responsibility of figuring out
that that communication.
Speaker 3 (26:30):
One of the things that one of my mentors was
helping me learn.
Speaker 4 (26:34):
He said, what language was God talking to Adam and
even in the garden. And I was like, yo, and
that everybody has a language because they're human.
Speaker 3 (26:45):
And though it may be a digital.
Speaker 4 (26:48):
Language, though it may be h you know, more choppy,
more emojis, you know what means that you communicate through
it's still communication, and to figure out that language is
the responsibility of a leader to figure out and you
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just learn how to reach guys. And that's what I
was in my reflective time. I'm looking and I'm like,
I don't think I did a good enough job, you know.
Speaker 3 (27:19):
And I think it's.
Speaker 4 (27:20):
Easier to be dismissive and just be like, oh, they're
a young generation. They'll figure it out or they've.
Speaker 2 (27:26):
Got to figure it out now, you know.
Speaker 4 (27:28):
But I think it's it's this game has always been
the older guys teach the.
Speaker 3 (27:33):
Younger guys what is supposed to look like, right, And
I think it.
Speaker 1 (27:36):
Was so much easier to do that when we were
younger because you had to be in the meeting rooms.
And now it's a digital age where everybody has iPads,
you know, Microsoft tablets and can watch film, do everything
else isolated. And I think that isolation is also causing
a divide as well.
Speaker 3 (27:53):
I agree.
Speaker 4 (27:55):
That's that's one of the things is socially we communicate different, right,
Like how we grew up. You go to the playground,
you go to the park, you compete, you go outside.
It's a it's a it's a it's an unnecessary reference.
Football game going on, throw it up and running. You
don't get it how you live, Like when you see
the kids, our kids attempting to do when they play
(28:17):
football after the game, right, but they don't do that
just other than that event, they're not just outside other
after that, they're going to organize sports. Like it was
so much play that was unorganized.
Speaker 2 (28:31):
There ain't no neighborhood football no more like I know,
ain't know.
Speaker 4 (28:37):
Just pick up basketball game going on them down on
the corner at the park. You know, like everything is
organized right like you go to you go to a
lifetime gym. Now they got they don't move to basketball course,
they got pickleball games going on.
Speaker 3 (28:52):
And pick aball has a system. It's a system to
get in the game. Have you ever been to a
pickball game? No, a pick up pick a ball game.
You don't just go and be like I got next.
Speaker 2 (29:04):
You gotta go.
Speaker 4 (29:05):
You gotta put your racket in a certain spot. That's
how they know. And then they have like pro courts
and then they have like the amateur courts, and it's
like it's a system, bro, Like you can't just show
up at pickleball and just be like I got nixt
like basketball courts, it's all. They've moved the basketball courts
out pickaball is what's heeing and so like. But this
(29:26):
is this is our society now, right, It's it's much
more digital, organized structure versus just random and so like,
what that does is I don't even know how to
communicate with you unless it's under a certain format, right,
I only know how to meet you on this app.
Speaker 3 (29:43):
I only know how to meet you in a space
that's organized, like a team meeting is where I'm gonna
see you. And but then no team meeting going on
while we're still at the building.
Speaker 4 (29:51):
That's that's a that's a mentality, that's a mindset, right,
Whereas what four years ago, five years ago, meetings and
meet has been over for four hours, everybody still in
the locker room, some people watching, some people Nintendo, some
people shooting basketball, but we all just building that chemistry.
Speaker 3 (30:10):
So it's just different.
Speaker 4 (30:11):
And so it's like, Okay, well, how do you reach
this generation that's under kind of a different mindset When
it comes to camaraderie, You still have to find a
way to meet him.
Speaker 3 (30:22):
And I think that's that is a struggle.
Speaker 4 (30:24):
I haven't haven't found that yet, but it gotta be
sound absolutely bro.
Speaker 1 (30:30):
Like you know, I had two rookie d linemen uh
this year and one you know, one loves the FaceTime.
You know my lother Ze, Hey, hey bro. I told
him when he first got team. I said, hey, if
you need me FaceTime, if you need like, don't do
dumb stuff. If you need me in the middle of night, you.
Speaker 2 (30:47):
Can call me.
Speaker 1 (30:47):
I'll come get you. I'll figure it out whatever needs
to happen. He's just hey, Bro, I just want to say, man,
I appreciate you, bro, And like, I have never had
a rookie to call me in the middle night just
to just to want to talk ball.
Speaker 2 (30:58):
He's the first one. I love. Brian.
Speaker 1 (31:01):
Now, yeah, I got you know, I got Isaiah Foski
and Foscar is you know he's a cerebral notre dame
guy stuck in his head. You know, I gotta I gotta,
like it's like pulling blood. But like you have to
figure out who, like you have to figure out their communication,
Like Breeze super easy. You know, like he wants to
be he wants to be a great football player. You know,
(31:21):
he's absorbing anything. Fosk not saying that he doesn't. He's
just like you have to go to him, you know, like,
hey man, come on, this is what we're doing. And
he'll hop in the car immediately for the But them first,
like four weeks, I was trying to figure him out.
I said, hey man, like I got it, Like I don't.
I'm not getting nothing from him, like, hey man, what
you see on this film?
Speaker 2 (31:39):
Yeah? But if I text him about something, I get
a paragraph.
Speaker 1 (31:42):
I'm like, this don't make okay, Okay, I'll see what
I gotta do here, Like you just got It's weird,
bro to to think that I get digital age, bro
like this, you know, watch film, see things differently, talk
to players like.
Speaker 2 (31:55):
It's just trying to figure it out. I'm like, oh man,
it's such a huge gap.
Speaker 1 (31:58):
But at the end of the day, at least in
terms of defensive line, there's always been different cats on
the D line. You know, you have one that's outgoing,
one that's not one this so this is just a
different way to look at it. And how do I
reach my guy? Well, if he likes to eat, then
I guess we're eating. And if he likes you know,
if he likes if he likes to watch film, then
that's how we watch film. Like it's it's time consuming,
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it's an effort.
Speaker 3 (32:20):
It's a lot more attactical.
Speaker 4 (32:21):
And I think you just helped me with something that
communication now is a lot more individualized because society is
much more custom Whereas everybody had before had to conform
to society, now society conforms to the consumer.
Speaker 3 (32:41):
Right, think about all the algorithms that present themselves.
Speaker 4 (32:45):
It knows how to present itself to you, the shopper,
versus the customer having to go to the store like
Black Friday, you got it, you got it if you
could get there early enough and.
Speaker 3 (32:57):
Get it in.
Speaker 2 (32:58):
Everybody there at five.
Speaker 4 (33:00):
Everybody had to conform to the marketplace, not a marketplace.
Marketplace conforms to the consumer. And so I think that's
the same way when you think about like being a
being a teammate, Right, the teammates used to all the
teammates conformed to whatever.
Speaker 3 (33:15):
The team was on.
Speaker 4 (33:16):
Whatever you have a team, you gotta be able to
conform to all the individuals, right, So you have to
make sure you still hold onto your principles and stuff
that you're not gonna sway on the course.
Speaker 3 (33:26):
So it's not just saying like you you just.
Speaker 4 (33:29):
Kind of rolling yeah, but I think you have to
be willing to go and meet individuals where they're at,
and you gotta that's just what society is, right if
you just think about like, you know, look at all
the guys who come in. They played in college, and
the college didn't conform to them what they do. Hey,
transporport them.
Speaker 2 (33:48):
I'm going transport them.
Speaker 3 (33:50):
And they talented enough, they're gonna they're gonna make it in.
Speaker 2 (33:54):
It ain't got or yeah, for sure.
Speaker 4 (33:58):
And that's not the case for everybody, but for a
lot of them. And so that everybody's just used to
everything being catered to them, and so like I can
see how you dealing.
Speaker 3 (34:07):
With different lanes of communication and something that's gonna benefit
some is not.
Speaker 4 (34:14):
And I think just being able to communicate a message
to them that this is what the league is about,
this is what it stands on. H I'm conforming to
you because I want to give you the principals that's
gonna get help me be successful. I'm not conforming to
you to think that it's your way because it's game.
Speaker 2 (34:33):
It's not. I'm not acquiescing. I'm not saying, hey, I'm
doing your way.
Speaker 1 (34:36):
No, I'm coming to you so you could take this
information better, this how, this is how we're moving on.
Speaker 2 (34:44):
You might just help me a little bit. I feel
like I'm acquiescing at times.
Speaker 1 (34:49):
I'm like, bro, Like when I was a rookie old
event would be like, hey, this is how it's getting done.
You'd be like all right now, like you know, we're
talking to them like, hey man, this was, this was,
what is the tradition, this is.
Speaker 2 (35:00):
Why we're doing it.
Speaker 1 (35:01):
And I'm having to explain myself more, you know, like
you know, get home, be trying to tell wife you talk.
I'm talking out baby, like I'm tied that lead that
leadership role like it takes it takes something about you.
But no, you knows as much as you just helped
me there. You know whatever it was, or you've been,
You've been an outstanding teammate yourself, you know, uh, a
(35:23):
great leader for the linebacker corps. You you talk about
the pregame speeches even in locker room when it's time.
Speaker 2 (35:30):
You know, uh, you were born.
Speaker 1 (35:32):
You were born for this role as as a man
of God, and that goes probably hand in hand with
being a leader of faith as well, just in terms
of you know, uh p ao as well as you're
not not even your ministry work, but your devoted dream
dreamers and the you know, the I almost called a flag,
the seven h seventeen that you got, or the way
you stacked everything up, but just balancing the demands of
(35:53):
football and your faith.
Speaker 2 (35:54):
How does the how do you ultimately want to be remembered?
Speaker 4 (36:00):
And I want to be I want to be remembered
as a man who tried to as best he could
live for something that was greater than himself. Like my
legacy has little to do with me than me trying
to be a representation of God. It's about how my
(36:22):
wife remembers me and is able to tell my story.
And if you haven't seen Hamilton, bro Hamilton is the
greatest play ever, Like I used to be online king
I graduated. Hamilton is the best. But it's a little
it's a little playing there, a little play on words
in there that I'm saying, you know, how my wife
(36:43):
is able to remember me, how she's able to tell
my story, How my kids the lessons that they get
from me, and everything after that is a secondary really
you know if I can be a good enough representation
of God.
Speaker 2 (37:00):
Uh that my.
Speaker 3 (37:01):
Kids get it and they want to reflect God in
their own lives. Man, it's worth it. It's worth it all.
It's life well lived.
Speaker 2 (37:08):
Yeah. Look, you used to talk to you talked about
Hamilton a few times. This year. You went to go
see the person.
Speaker 3 (37:12):
Right, Yeah, we went with New York.
Speaker 4 (37:14):
My daughter, actually, my my ten year old daughter, oldest,
she was on it, and she she's musically inclined and
musically gifted. She memorized the whole I mean, if you
listen to these songs, they like little rap songs and.
Speaker 3 (37:28):
They got so many words.
Speaker 4 (37:29):
But she memorized the soundtrack front to back, Like you
start playing out any part, pick any song, she gonna
start singing it.
Speaker 2 (37:36):
That's her jam.
Speaker 4 (37:37):
And so we had to go see it. So we
went to New York. Not to mention my kids. Was like,
we're back at home and that's where we were born.
My oldest too, and uh, we took them to see
the play. Win saw Hamilton, Win saw Lion King, and
I was just blown away. I had always heard about Hamilton,
but I never went and saw it. But definitely something
(37:58):
that it's as many people talking about Hamilton. It's still
under it, that's how good it is.
Speaker 2 (38:05):
Hmm.
Speaker 1 (38:05):
Yeah, I feel like I've seen that on one of
the apps, so it was like a Hamilton Live music whatever,
and I was like, nah.
Speaker 2 (38:13):
Do you see I feel like.
Speaker 1 (38:15):
Yeah, like I said, one of the maps had it,
and I was just like, I just feel like it's
one of the things you have to see in person.
Speaker 2 (38:21):
Like if I watch you know.
Speaker 3 (38:23):
Don't don't somebody your statue.
Speaker 2 (38:25):
Definitely, man, you know my sisters spayd only last five
to ten.
Speaker 3 (38:34):
Yourself watching on the app and then try to go
see the person. Yeah, definitely, man, definitely say you get
a chance to go see the person.
Speaker 2 (38:40):
They just do it a full disservice. I moved so
fast being in.
Speaker 3 (38:43):
America and not having a chieved Burder not seeing.
Speaker 1 (38:46):
Him, Okay, big, big standard.
Speaker 2 (38:51):
Okay. I'm like I said, next time in New York,
I'm gonna look up a lifetime. Is it still going?
It's probably still going, but yeah.
Speaker 1 (38:58):
Like I'm I appreciate you tapping in, bro, I'm gonna
get you out of here because I know it's getting
rather late and with all seventy five kids yours.
Speaker 2 (39:08):
Come kidd, I'm kidding. So there you have it. It's
a wrap. I just want to say a huge thank you.
Speaker 1 (39:22):
To all my awesome listeners for rocking with me. I've
got a whole locker room full of my favorite interviews
from season.
Speaker 2 (39:27):
One coming your way. But before I go, you know
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Speaker 1 (39:31):
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What's up, people, it's your boy, Cam Jay back with
another episode of Off the Edge with Cam Jordan. Now
as we gear it for another exciting season, I wanted
to reflect on some of the incredible guests I had
the pleasure of sitting down with last season. But hey,
don't worry, though, I got you new episodes coming your
way real soon. Relax, I got you. But in the meantime,
(00:24):
in between time, let's rewind and play back some of
my favorite interviews from season one. This week, I'm bringing
you the heart and soul of the Saints defense linebacker extraordinaire,
the man on a mission, none other than my guy,
linebacker d Mario Davis.
Speaker 2 (00:51):
I appreciate you tapping in this Off the Edge with
Cam Jordan.
Speaker 1 (00:54):
I get to bring to you my guy, my dog,
probably probably my ace on the team this year. Like,
if I'm gonna talk to somebody, it's gonna be this dude.
If I'm gonna need you know, if I need help,
it's gonna be this guy. And if he needs to
come talk to my d line.
Speaker 2 (01:06):
He can't talk to me.
Speaker 1 (01:08):
There's an open line of communication with my guy Tomorrow
Davis All Pro, five time All Pro tomorrow. Like, let's
not be light on that five time All pro only
got one pro bo, which is not adding up like
the talent in the way that Tomorrow Davis's name holds.
Speaker 2 (01:23):
In the NFL. Is still only one pro bo so far,
maybe two this maybe two this year. But like, for
sure he should be.
Speaker 1 (01:30):
A multiple, multiple time pro bowler. He's a multiple multiple
All Pro. Double D appreciates you for tapping in my God, my.
Speaker 3 (01:36):
God, actually having me all man then is all mine? Man.
Speaker 2 (01:40):
Let's let's just let's talk about this.
Speaker 1 (01:43):
You and you keep up to date, like if anybody
keeps up to date with the Saints and what's going
on in the NFL, it's you like a student of
the game, a master of a lot.
Speaker 2 (01:52):
You know, when we talk about current Evince, you're usually
up to par. Since you've heard you've heard the news.
Speaker 1 (01:57):
We've had some we've had some coaches go, how you
feeling like it's all off of the side, But a
couple of them go, I mean.
Speaker 4 (02:04):
It's it's it's it's the business. It's the business of
the game. You know, it's tough because it's a reminder
that we dropped the ball as a whole, Like what
you want to happen is to have success, and everybody's
getting promoted, which we've seen have success. Other guys go
(02:26):
get big time jobs and now they win and playoff games.
Speaker 3 (02:33):
That's what you want to be. You want to be
in a sweet spot.
Speaker 4 (02:35):
Guys getting contracts, guys uh, you know, going getting resigned,
Guys going to other teams getting getting paid, which has
been our experience in the past. But when you have
an off season like this because of multiple years not
getting it done, and now there's man, it's mandatory that
(02:56):
something has to change, and who.
Speaker 3 (02:59):
Is that going to be.
Speaker 4 (03:00):
Man, it's gonna look different on the roster, from the
player's side, it's gonna look different from the coaching side.
And it's just a reminder that we dropped the ball
as a whole. I mean, at any point when you
don't get it done, somebody's gonna be the one that
has to follow on the sword to beat the scapegoat.
And and and we're seeing that it's happening. Uh. I
(03:23):
think this is the beginning of that attempt to make
a change, or that attempt to something has to be done.
And it's unfortunate, you know, like uh, you know, Pete
Bob Cody, my guy.
Speaker 2 (03:39):
Joel Thomas went to the Giants John Fire, but just
like just like lateral movement and I'm not even thinking
it was like.
Speaker 1 (03:47):
Going to like let's let's keep that a b you know,
like when when the officer guys go, I mean I
had I was like.
Speaker 2 (03:55):
What I said, what did Bob do? What Bobs?
Speaker 3 (04:00):
And I think it best friend the peak. It's like,
I guess they felt like he was gonna be a
mold or something.
Speaker 1 (04:08):
Man if I got to get rid of Pa, gotta
get rid of his man's Okay, Okay, that makes sense,
all right, man, I'm sorry I had like that was
just off my mind. First question I asked, but this
week off, how are you living?
Speaker 2 (04:20):
Man? Like? What's your first week of off season? Off?
Is it off season?
Speaker 3 (04:24):
Like?
Speaker 1 (04:24):
Is it the same every year? How do you process
the end of a season in two off season? Because
that dynamic changes for you tremendously. For me, I just
go back to the crib. You you're back in Nashville.
Speaker 3 (04:35):
Yeah, that's the crib for me. Now, I think every
year is different.
Speaker 4 (04:40):
I traditionally keep the same framework, but it's a season
by season thing just because of the emotional part.
Speaker 3 (04:49):
So as for me, like I'll keep training.
Speaker 4 (04:52):
I'll stay doing my recovery regiment all the way through
the Super Bowl, like I trained specifically so my body
is ready for this time of year. And so it's
like I'm like a I'm like a Ferrari just sitting
in the garage right now, Like I'm meant to be
on the road going fast right now, Like That's what
I'm trained for. And so it's disappointing when we're not
(05:14):
doing it because my body feels fresh. It feels like
like I can go and I'm throwing my kids up.
Speaker 3 (05:19):
It ain't like I'm in shutdown mode or tired mode.
Speaker 4 (05:22):
Like I'm out playing in the snow with my kids
earlier in the day, like running around.
Speaker 3 (05:26):
My legs feel fresh, and.
Speaker 2 (05:27):
I'm like a snow outside.
Speaker 3 (05:30):
Yeah, it's it got like seven eight inches. I heard
That's why I'm hot.
Speaker 2 (05:35):
Hot seven eight bro. That's disgusting. I do not like that.
Speaker 4 (05:42):
And the horrible part is just the dry snow, so
like you can't even make a snowball or a snowman,
like you just pick it up and it just crumbles
in your hands.
Speaker 3 (05:49):
Hold. So I keep training all the way through, but
I process different.
Speaker 4 (05:55):
So it just depends on like where I'm emotional and
I think, you know, this just finished my twelfth season,
thirty just turned thirty five years old, have a comp
a lot in the game, and now it's where where
do I want to go? And so now it's man,
I want to process. My goal is to do forty
(06:16):
five more.
Speaker 3 (06:17):
Like that's a goal.
Speaker 1 (06:19):
Yeah, well, you said you And you said that earlier
this year for the first time, and I looked at
you because we've talked about over the years.
Speaker 2 (06:25):
You're like, I don't know how many more left? And
I was like, bro, what you mean you're not playing
at such a high level. What are you talking about?
Speaker 1 (06:32):
No, Man, the tolld And I was like, oh, all right,
and this year you hit me with the forty five more.
Speaker 2 (06:37):
I said, oh, I love to hear You're like, what
brought you to that?
Speaker 3 (06:42):
There was a revelation, man, it was a revelation.
Speaker 4 (06:46):
Man. I've my favorite player in the NBA is Lebron
of course, and I've tracked my whole life, I mean
his whole career. I've tracked him. I can give you
almost every statistic, every playoff game, Like, uh, but now
I have a reason to track him. Like it was like,
I want to play two years after Lebron finished, and
(07:08):
I'm just so mesmerized by his.
Speaker 3 (07:10):
Longevity, his durability.
Speaker 4 (07:12):
He's still playing at a high level, though they team
not doing as good as good as my team. Okay, see,
let's make sure we have clarity there. The Lakers beat
us the other night. But I admire his longevity. His
durability is his constant being at the top of his game.
But last year he led the league in past break points.
(07:32):
Who does that at thirty seven thirty eight years old?
And I'm like, man, if he running and jumping with
these young boys is coming in the league, I don't
have no excuse being I'm four years younger than him.
And so I'm like, well, bron probably gonna play two
more years. We know he want to play with Bronnie,
And so if I say I want to be in
a game two years after he's done, they give me
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four to five more years. And so I just just
give me a rapid the chase. When I have a rabbit,
it makes me, it makes me go. And so I
got a goal in mind, and it's just rejuvenated.
Speaker 2 (08:06):
I was like I'm not gonna lie to you.
Speaker 1 (08:07):
I was been wondering because I said, what so you
not even changed somebody like like lateral in your position?
You like, Nah, I see the greatest of all time
Lebron So I'm gonna outplay. I'm gonna out play his longevity.
That's crazy to think about. Forty five years gonna put
you in like year sixteen, seventeen.
Speaker 2 (08:24):
I love that for you. I'm gonna watch you. I'm
gonna watch you know year fifteen.
Speaker 3 (08:31):
Come on, bro, come on out.
Speaker 1 (08:33):
W I told you this revelation of mine I had
two years ago over here to push you. Hey, I
love you, my boy, God knows, God know you, my
man's It's gonna take. It's gonna take Wifey to say
a lot for me to come back after year fifteen.
Because I love I love football. I'm willing to give
it my all. Fifteen is gonna be the mental the
mental hurdle that we'll talk about later. Let's just talk about,
(08:54):
you know, not even just the long jezy playing, but
at the high level, you've been playing like you didn't
even hit your first All Pro till you turn third.
You was at the New Orleans Saints, you you know,
you were from the Jets, where you know you would
says a heavy market, you know, one of those those
marketing places that all you have to do is be
semi quasi, you know, explosive, stand out on the field,
and you're going to get your accolade immediately, you know,
(09:15):
to be I don't know, I still don't know how
you went, why or how you went to the Browns
back to the Jets, but then you came to New
Orleans and you've played your best football. It just is
what it is. Five All pros gives you direct access
and it's hard to make All pro, especially in the Saints,
Like it's a hard market to excel it in terms of
the eyes, in terms of the accolades, whatever comes, you
have to earn it.
Speaker 2 (09:35):
And you've you've done all of that. Like I said,
so five pro but like five all pros, how did
you like, how did you reflect on reaching this milestone?
Because there's I think there's only like four or five
Saints players that ever reached five All pros. In general.
Speaker 4 (09:48):
I think it goes back to twenty sixteen me and
a conversation, a conversation that I had with God. I
was ready to retire in twenty sixteen, one year with
the Browns. I feel like, you know, playing with the
Browns when they was the Browns that I was on
and to make anybody want to retire. But man, I
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was ready to throw it in. I didn't have I
didn't have the mindset to change greatness no more. My
body was hurting and I went into my PreK clause.
Man I just said, God, I'm done, I'm finished. But
I knew he wasn't done with me yet. So it
was like I was throwing in the tower. It's just like,
if you don't want me to do more, you gonna
have to do it. I was like, God, you got
to rejuven in my mind, you gotta rejuven in my body.
Speaker 3 (10:30):
And I literally prayed that.
Speaker 4 (10:32):
It was like I heard an audible voice of God
just say like, thank you for throwing in the towel.
I got it from here, and don't forget that you
threw in the town. That's why I tell that story
so often, because I can't. I have to give credit
to what it's due. And slowly, but surely, man, I
just started training different and I found a way to
be more efficient in my game. Now I've been always
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been doing the numbers, go back to my second year,
my early years with the Jet, I was always doing
one hundred tackles. I was always doing three to four sacks.
I was doing the numbers, but my game was just sloppy.
Plus I was with the Jets twenty seventeen. After that moment,
I come back, and not only do I got the production,
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I got the efficiency the match. So I'm not missing
as many tackles, I'm not getting beat and coverage. You know,
I'm making my plays in the backfield versus you know,
three or four yards down the line, down the field.
Just cleaning my game up a lot, And that was
probably statistically one of my best seasons. But the same time,
I was with the Jets and nobody saw it. Fast
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forward twenty eighteen. I come to the Saints and we
go to the conference championship game. I'm doing the same thing,
but everybody sees it, and now I was welcome to
is welcome to the NFL. Per se I kind of
to me.
Speaker 2 (11:49):
Welcome to the NFL. Welcome to the NFL. Twenty seventeen.
Speaker 4 (11:52):
Yeah, because twenty seventeen was really like my rookie season
because after that humbling moment there was a new.
Speaker 3 (11:58):
That was a new beast that was away and that
was produce. Yeah.
Speaker 4 (12:03):
Yeah, And so twenty seventeen twenty eighteen was kind of that,
you know, putting it on display. They might have thought
twenty seventeen was a fluke, and I did it again
in twenty eighteen, and then it happened in twenty nineteen.
We didn't go as far as the team, but the
production was still there, and I think that's when the
notarioty came.
Speaker 3 (12:20):
And since then it just hasn't been no drop off.
Speaker 4 (12:23):
I think they thought because it was thirty that there
was going to be drop off, but there wasn't.
Speaker 3 (12:27):
But I think it's because I'm running on something different
and it's the Holy Spirit.
Speaker 1 (12:32):
We're not going to just run through like that was
a time where you know, Man of God, I come
to the house and now he got the Man of
God headband on there.
Speaker 2 (12:39):
I said, that's how you know it's official when everybody
in the house. Body. When did high Breed come come about? Man?
Speaker 4 (12:45):
High Breed probably came in my training in twenty nineteen,
I believe. So twenty eighteen, twenty nineteen, my goal was
just to be the best linebackers in the league. But
twenty nineteen, I believe it was just a lot of
linebackers that was in that conversation.
Speaker 3 (13:03):
And so it was.
Speaker 4 (13:06):
Bobby Wagner, I think Fred was on the scene. Then
between twenty you had guys like Shaq Leonard in that
conversation of David Dead or White started jumping into conversation.
So it was a lot of people. And if you see,
(13:26):
it's always this best linebacker conversation, who's the best linebacker?
And so for me, it became about differentiation and what
is What was differentiation for me was it's a lot
of hybrid players in the league. And a hybrid is
someone who can kind of be a tweiner. Right, you
have a guy who can be a D lineman, but
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he can be also outside linebacker.
Speaker 3 (13:49):
You have a safety slash nickel or nickel slash corner.
You know.
Speaker 4 (13:59):
That Simmons guy that got drafted, Uh that was playing
a Z I think he's a different team now, he.
Speaker 2 (14:05):
Was, Ah, yeah, he's he's never at the Giants now.
Speaker 4 (14:08):
Yeah yeah, And Uh with the high breed was like,
I feel like I can go into a game and
play one position and dominate on all three levels, Like
I feel like they can put me in the game
and safety and I'd be a great box safety. Like
I know all the coverages. I know how to come
up and fit. I can cover one on one on
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tight ends or running back that get put out at
number two every now and then, if it's a slide,
I can I can handle that.
Speaker 3 (14:37):
At the same time, I can go and play the
defensive line.
Speaker 4 (14:40):
I feel like I can be on the edge all game,
which they did for us one time we played the Rams.
Speaker 3 (14:45):
I just had to sit out there on the edge
and ain't gonna talk about that game.
Speaker 2 (14:48):
But I can hold it. It's just cut on the edge.
Now we gotta hold that hold the edge.
Speaker 3 (14:53):
I got respect for all positions.
Speaker 4 (14:55):
I'm not trying to say that, but that's what I
feel like when I'm saying Highbrey is like I can
truly I'm not like a twer. I can play a
line back. I can play defensive line, and I can play.
Speaker 2 (15:06):
Not a high bred high breed like going.
Speaker 4 (15:09):
Built different, yes, sir, different, and like a transformer. I'm transformed.
Whatever you need.
Speaker 1 (15:33):
But is there any game that this year that you
you saw as like the changing moving for our season?
Like I'm clearly going i'mna say, you know, the Week
three matchup versus the Packers, right, because at that time
we talked about it. I was like, we could take
advantage of Jordan Love like this is he's really a
rookie and you know that to me, we were up
seventeen oh and Lambeau was silent. Could hear me snap fingers,
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you know, in the middle of the field to the sidelines,
quiet as and then we end up losing eighteen to seventeen.
Is there a game that you look back like, how
do we lose?
Speaker 2 (16:08):
Like? How did we do this?
Speaker 4 (16:10):
That was a tough game because we were looking to
put it all together, and you just think about like momentum.
I'm a big basketball fan. I feel like this is
one of the best sports where you can see momentum change.
And man, the momentum in that game and the way
it suck the air out of our season early on.
It was like it took us a minute to grapple
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after that because we had just kind of been being
played our best football yet. And then it looked like
we had put it together for a half and we
were ready to come out the second half, and then
DC go down on the first drive. We started reeling
as a defense, and they come back and they put
some drives together. I mean, we had them shut down
in the first half, and then all of a sudden
(16:53):
they just get life. And man, you just you weren't
expecting a game like that to realize that you gave
this game up when when you had it in the back,
and you kind of not want to let one game
turn into two games, you know. But like when I
think about the momentum of that, I think about that,
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that kind of reminds me of like Colorado.
Speaker 3 (17:16):
Everybody followed Colorado football, but they had.
Speaker 4 (17:20):
Kind of had like an up and down season and
then they played I think was Stanford. Was this Stanford
that they blew out the first half and then they
came all the way back and lock and gave that
game up.
Speaker 3 (17:29):
Might have been I think with Stafford.
Speaker 2 (17:30):
But they started off like four to roh and then
all of a sudden.
Speaker 3 (17:34):
They started hot. But then you know, they played.
Speaker 2 (17:38):
Uh usc before, but then they played.
Speaker 4 (17:41):
Like come back and I think that was the Stanford game.
So they won one more than they played Stanford. After
that game, they never recovered. It didn't seem like they
recovered after that, and so I feel like that was
kind of us in Green Bay. We got it in parts,
but we never really got back to that stride until
late in the season. I did like the way that
we finished. If we could have found that earlier in
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the year.
Speaker 1 (18:05):
I could have swore we found that when we when
we trounced the Patriots. Now we beat him thirty five.
I said, ah, I said, this is a Bill Belichick
led team like this, It don't matter, like you don't
do this to Bill Belichick minus the players, because you know,
they got Matt juwide on over there, they got the
other air rusher.
Speaker 2 (18:22):
Then you know, running back was running. When the game
was alright, I was like, we thirty five zero the Patriots.
That doesn't happen.
Speaker 1 (18:31):
And then but it was like, like we said, bro,
like you know, the inconsistencies of it all, We really
didn't catch that consistent. All right, this is what we're
gonna do on offense, is going to do on defense.
Speaker 2 (18:40):
Until the end. And I was like, well, that's where
you want to peak anyways, so all we need is
a ticket. And then that didn't happen our way.
Speaker 1 (18:46):
But what you're you're a lot more even killed than
I am, like, you know me, Bro, I'm amped up
on on ten for.
Speaker 2 (18:52):
Everything, and he was like, yeah, so this is what
we got to do during the week.
Speaker 1 (18:55):
And then on then on game day you on you
were on like twelve because you become highbrid you know
what I'm saying.
Speaker 2 (19:01):
You go in that thing and I'm like, you wasn't
acting like this Monday through Saturday.
Speaker 3 (19:09):
Now I did.
Speaker 4 (19:10):
On the work man, I think we just the word
was just inconsistent and we were just too inconsistent this year,
and it was it was very disappointing because we didn't
achieve our goals and we're living in the results of
that because of inconsistency. And for me, my process is
I want to be consistent during the week so that
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I can get the same results on Sunday. And individually
I felt like I was able to do that, but
it's in vain because collectively we didn't achieve that. And like,
when i'm that's what my reflective time looks like, it's
could I have done more on that collective piece? And
that's how I'm approaching the off season to figure out
(19:51):
if I can if I can achieve consistency for myself.
How do I how do I spread that? And I
don't think I did a good enough job and and uh.
Speaker 1 (20:00):
Yeah, when you come to that revelation, it did it
start when you were like how did you?
Speaker 2 (20:05):
How did you become so even killed?
Speaker 1 (20:06):
Like you've been able to step back and look at
the game as as a whole. That started off from
your jet days, like the younger days when you had
I'm just thinking about it in your locker room. You
had what Darrell Reewis back in the gap. You had
like original Antonio Commarty, like stone cold Antonio COMMARTI like
Crow Reevers Island.
Speaker 4 (20:24):
Yeah, man, I had great I had great vets Man.
It was Reeves was Crow. I had Dave Harris who
did ten years, Bart Scott who you see o TV now,
Calvin Pace, the Brickershaw Ferguson on the offensive side, So
I wasn't just dealing with defensive guys. The Brickershaw Ferguson
on the offense, Nick Mango, Nick Folk, who's still kicking now. Man,
(20:48):
I just had a team full of veterans that you
can just go and pull information from. I played with
DeMont and Laron Landry, uh Man. I had some guys
man that he was just learned so much from guys
who had had a ton of success. Antonio Holmes was
(21:09):
on that team. Mhm uh that you could just pull
information from. You can learn a lot of things of
what to do. You learn a lot of things and
what not to do. But everybody was on my team
was at seven eight years and I'm like, dang, they
the ain't doing it like they passed the threshold.
Speaker 3 (21:27):
You know.
Speaker 4 (21:27):
It was that fear of man, I just trying to
make it three three and three games. Let me just
get my my pension, you know. But I was able
to pull from them guys, just from recovery, from approach,
you know, just how to how to stay in the game.
And I still rely on a lot of those baseline principles.
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But I put my own in. I put my own
work in, you know, I found my own lane. I
found what works for me, and I do a lot
of mental training and I think that's what allows me
to be more reflect them. So all throughout the season,
I'm meeting with our team with our team site, which
I just called my mental performance coach, and we were
(22:10):
just talking about the game. We would talk about week
to weeks how to find that consistency. And I was
finding that consistency was in practice. And I just felt
like if I if my routine was working, don't change it.
If it was something that wasn't working, changing and uh,
that's kind of molde. I stayed in and that's why
you seen me even kill. And then when it's game time,
(22:32):
you know, it's all about bringing the warrior out like,
ain't no flinch, ain't no fear. Let's go, and uh,
now it's time to bring everything that you to meditate
it on out for the public.
Speaker 3 (22:43):
Ain't no time to think about it. It's time to go.
And that's what you saw game day.
Speaker 2 (22:47):
Yeah you know what I mean.
Speaker 1 (22:48):
I come to bring hands every day. That's practice, that's breakfast,
that's lunch, that's better. I lived my life.
Speaker 3 (22:56):
Absolutely, it's a walkthrough.
Speaker 1 (22:59):
And so I'm looking for smoke, looking for smoke. Already
I go home, look for smoke. I come back, look
for smoke.
Speaker 2 (23:04):
I'm gonna learn. I'm gonna learn how to be even killed.
Won't be like you when I grow up. I'm gonna
learn how to I'm gonna learn how to chill out.
Speaker 4 (23:10):
I tell you all the time, bro, I asked you
that all the time, Like, how does it feel to
wake up and be camp Jordan?
Speaker 2 (23:17):
Well, I know what I mean.
Speaker 1 (23:21):
Now that I got a son who's just like me,
I can see how can be taxing. See take wake
up and wake up earlier than I do. Just okay,
your sir got your swag all over here?
Speaker 2 (23:53):
Bro, did you think about our locker room this year?
Just safe defense? Alone?
Speaker 1 (23:56):
We had what three or four veterans over thirty you know,
our team had what five or six? Was with me
you Tyron, Derek Carr, what thirty two, Jimmy Graham thirty five,
thirty six that I feel like.
Speaker 2 (24:12):
They had to help.
Speaker 1 (24:12):
But just mixing in the season vets with just that
that young talent like that had to have helped the
team for sure. Let's just talk about our defensive side,
like you talk about it. On every level, there's there's
again you go to the safeties, there's Tyrant Marsham probably
just what seven eight, he's still young. But there's you
on linebackers, me at D line. So that open line
(24:32):
of communication, Bro, it was has always been there, especially
during the games or practice whatever it was. I feel
like that's what I'm I'm looking harping on them like
we have open line of communication, how like, how do
we take that next step?
Speaker 2 (24:46):
But in terms of just talking to younger guys.
Speaker 1 (24:49):
Do you find that it's hard to relate to them?
Do you like when you talk about year one, year
two type players?
Speaker 4 (24:54):
Oh yeah, I think, man, it is. The great piece
is like when you have but at all levels. You
got pro bowl at all levels. So when I when
I look at you on the defensive line, like I know,
I don't have to go talk to all the guys
on D line. I can take a mission to you
and it's gonna go to all the guys. The same
thing with Tyron, I don't have to talk.
Speaker 3 (25:14):
To the dbs.
Speaker 4 (25:15):
I'll just go to him and he will pass it
on whether it's mess for right, ite missed for the game, and.
Speaker 3 (25:19):
So having that is great.
Speaker 4 (25:22):
I do think that there's a communication gap that just
exists in society because of the way that we learned
how to communicate. I'm a iguesst me and you kind
of the same boat. We're kind of like a middle generation,
and so we got pieces of the old school and
we're dealing with people who are all the way digitals
(25:43):
like dog one of the guys in the locker room.
Wasn't boring when nine eleven happened, like.
Speaker 2 (25:48):
Some of the guys, one of the guys, some of
the guys.
Speaker 4 (25:51):
Some of the guys, but we having a conversation about it.
Like he didn't even know what date it was. No,
like it's called not eleven. He was like, no, y, yeah,
I haven't put nobody on the spot. But he was like,
I said, do you know when not eleven happened? He's like, yeah,
it was like November right, No, no, no, no, no, no,
you're trying to fix it.
Speaker 3 (26:12):
But it was a real conversation and everybody was like yo.
Speaker 4 (26:15):
Wow, And it was one of those moments like man,
we are we're kind of like in a in a
time war.
Speaker 3 (26:25):
And but I think.
Speaker 4 (26:27):
It's still the onus of the responsibility of figuring out
that that communication.
Speaker 3 (26:30):
One of the things that one of my mentors was
helping me learn.
Speaker 4 (26:34):
He said, what language was God talking to Adam and
even in the garden. And I was like, yo, and
that everybody has a language because they're human.
Speaker 3 (26:45):
And though it may be a digital.
Speaker 4 (26:48):
Language, though it may be h you know, more choppy,
more emojis, you know what means that you communicate through
it's still communication, and to figure out that language is
the responsibility of a leader to figure out and you
(27:10):
just learn how to reach guys. And that's what I
was in my reflective time. I'm looking and I'm like,
I don't think I did a good enough job, you know.
Speaker 3 (27:19):
And I think it's.
Speaker 4 (27:20):
Easier to be dismissive and just be like, oh, they're
a young generation. They'll figure it out or they've.
Speaker 2 (27:26):
Got to figure it out now, you know.
Speaker 4 (27:28):
But I think it's it's this game has always been
the older guys teach the.
Speaker 3 (27:33):
Younger guys what is supposed to look like, right, And
I think it.
Speaker 1 (27:36):
Was so much easier to do that when we were
younger because you had to be in the meeting rooms.
And now it's a digital age where everybody has iPads,
you know, Microsoft tablets and can watch film, do everything
else isolated. And I think that isolation is also causing
a divide as well.
Speaker 3 (27:53):
I agree.
Speaker 4 (27:55):
That's that's one of the things is socially we communicate different, right,
Like how we grew up. You go to the playground,
you go to the park, you compete, you go outside.
It's a it's a it's a it's an unnecessary reference.
Football game going on, throw it up and running. You
don't get it how you live, Like when you see
the kids, our kids attempting to do when they play
(28:17):
football after the game, right, but they don't do that
just other than that event, they're not just outside other
after that, they're going to organize sports. Like it was
so much play that was unorganized.
Speaker 2 (28:31):
There ain't no neighborhood football no more like I know,
ain't know.
Speaker 4 (28:37):
Just pick up basketball game going on them down on
the corner at the park. You know, like everything is
organized right like you go to you go to a
lifetime gym. Now they got they don't move to basketball course,
they got pickleball games going on.
Speaker 3 (28:52):
And pick aball has a system. It's a system to
get in the game. Have you ever been to a
pickball game? No, a pick up pick a ball game.
You don't just go and be like I got next.
Speaker 2 (29:04):
You gotta go.
Speaker 4 (29:05):
You gotta put your racket in a certain spot. That's
how they know. And then they have like pro courts
and then they have like the amateur courts, and it's
like it's a system, bro, Like you can't just show
up at pickleball and just be like I got nixt
like basketball courts, it's all. They've moved the basketball courts
out pickaball is what's heeing and so like. But this
(29:26):
is this is our society now, right, It's it's much
more digital, organized structure versus just random and so like,
what that does is I don't even know how to
communicate with you unless it's under a certain format, right,
I only know how to meet you on this app.
Speaker 3 (29:43):
I only know how to meet you in a space
that's organized, like a team meeting is where I'm gonna
see you. And but then no team meeting going on
while we're still at the building.
Speaker 4 (29:51):
That's that's a that's a mentality, that's a mindset, right,
Whereas what four years ago, five years ago, meetings and
meet has been over for four hours, everybody still in
the locker room, some people watching, some people Nintendo, some
people shooting basketball, but we all just building that chemistry.
Speaker 3 (30:10):
So it's just different.
Speaker 4 (30:11):
And so it's like, Okay, well, how do you reach
this generation that's under kind of a different mindset When
it comes to camaraderie, You still have to find a
way to meet him.
Speaker 3 (30:22):
And I think that's that is a struggle.
Speaker 4 (30:24):
I haven't haven't found that yet, but it gotta be
sound absolutely bro.
Speaker 1 (30:30):
Like you know, I had two rookie d linemen uh
this year and one you know, one loves the FaceTime.
You know my lother Ze, Hey, hey bro. I told
him when he first got team. I said, hey, if
you need me FaceTime, if you need like, don't do
dumb stuff. If you need me in the middle of night, you.
Speaker 2 (30:47):
Can call me.
Speaker 1 (30:47):
I'll come get you. I'll figure it out whatever needs
to happen. He's just hey, Bro, I just want to say, man,
I appreciate you, bro, And like, I have never had
a rookie to call me in the middle night just
to just to want to talk ball.
Speaker 2 (30:58):
He's the first one. I love. Brian.
Speaker 1 (31:01):
Now, yeah, I got you know, I got Isaiah Foski
and Foscar is you know he's a cerebral notre dame
guy stuck in his head. You know, I gotta I gotta,
like it's like pulling blood. But like you have to
figure out who, like you have to figure out their communication,
Like Breeze super easy. You know, like he wants to
be he wants to be a great football player. You know,
(31:21):
he's absorbing anything. Fosk not saying that he doesn't. He's
just like you have to go to him, you know, like,
hey man, come on, this is what we're doing. And
he'll hop in the car immediately for the But them first,
like four weeks, I was trying to figure him out.
I said, hey man, like I got it, Like I don't.
I'm not getting nothing from him, like, hey man, what
you see on this film?
Speaker 2 (31:39):
Yeah? But if I text him about something, I get
a paragraph.
Speaker 1 (31:42):
I'm like, this don't make okay, Okay, I'll see what
I gotta do here, Like you just got It's weird,
bro to to think that I get digital age, bro
like this, you know, watch film, see things differently, talk
to players like.
Speaker 2 (31:55):
It's just trying to figure it out. I'm like, oh man,
it's such a huge gap.
Speaker 1 (31:58):
But at the end of the day, at least in
terms of defensive line, there's always been different cats on
the D line. You know, you have one that's outgoing,
one that's not one this so this is just a
different way to look at it. And how do I
reach my guy? Well, if he likes to eat, then
I guess we're eating. And if he likes you know,
if he likes if he likes to watch film, then
that's how we watch film. Like it's it's time consuming,
(32:18):
it's an effort.
Speaker 3 (32:20):
It's a lot more attactical.
Speaker 4 (32:21):
And I think you just helped me with something that
communication now is a lot more individualized because society is
much more custom Whereas everybody had before had to conform
to society, now society conforms to the consumer.
Speaker 3 (32:41):
Right, think about all the algorithms that present themselves.
Speaker 4 (32:45):
It knows how to present itself to you, the shopper,
versus the customer having to go to the store like
Black Friday, you got it, you got it if you
could get there early enough and.
Speaker 3 (32:57):
Get it in.
Speaker 2 (32:58):
Everybody there at five.
Speaker 4 (33:00):
Everybody had to conform to the marketplace, not a marketplace.
Marketplace conforms to the consumer. And so I think that's
the same way when you think about like being a
being a teammate, Right, the teammates used to all the
teammates conformed to whatever.
Speaker 3 (33:15):
The team was on.
Speaker 4 (33:16):
Whatever you have a team, you gotta be able to
conform to all the individuals, right, So you have to
make sure you still hold onto your principles and stuff
that you're not gonna sway on the course.
Speaker 3 (33:26):
So it's not just saying like you you just.
Speaker 4 (33:29):
Kind of rolling yeah, but I think you have to
be willing to go and meet individuals where they're at,
and you gotta that's just what society is, right if
you just think about like, you know, look at all
the guys who come in. They played in college, and
the college didn't conform to them what they do. Hey,
transporport them.
Speaker 2 (33:48):
I'm going transport them.
Speaker 3 (33:50):
And they talented enough, they're gonna they're gonna make it in.
Speaker 2 (33:54):
It ain't got or yeah, for sure.
Speaker 4 (33:58):
And that's not the case for everybody, but for a
lot of them. And so that everybody's just used to
everything being catered to them, and so like I can
see how you dealing.
Speaker 3 (34:07):
With different lanes of communication and something that's gonna benefit
some is not.
Speaker 4 (34:14):
And I think just being able to communicate a message
to them that this is what the league is about,
this is what it stands on. H I'm conforming to
you because I want to give you the principals that's
gonna get help me be successful. I'm not conforming to
you to think that it's your way because it's game.
Speaker 2 (34:33):
It's not. I'm not acquiescing. I'm not saying, hey, I'm
doing your way.
Speaker 1 (34:36):
No, I'm coming to you so you could take this
information better, this how, this is how we're moving on.
Speaker 2 (34:44):
You might just help me a little bit. I feel
like I'm acquiescing at times.
Speaker 1 (34:49):
I'm like, bro, Like when I was a rookie old
event would be like, hey, this is how it's getting done.
You'd be like all right now, like you know, we're
talking to them like, hey man, this was, this was,
what is the tradition, this is.
Speaker 2 (35:00):
Why we're doing it.
Speaker 1 (35:01):
And I'm having to explain myself more, you know, like
you know, get home, be trying to tell wife you talk.
I'm talking out baby, like I'm tied that lead that
leadership role like it takes it takes something about you.
But no, you knows as much as you just helped
me there. You know whatever it was, or you've been,
You've been an outstanding teammate yourself, you know, uh, a
(35:23):
great leader for the linebacker corps. You you talk about
the pregame speeches even in locker room when it's time.
Speaker 2 (35:30):
You know, uh, you were born.
Speaker 1 (35:32):
You were born for this role as as a man
of God, and that goes probably hand in hand with
being a leader of faith as well, just in terms
of you know, uh p ao as well as you're
not not even your ministry work, but your devoted dream
dreamers and the you know, the I almost called a flag,
the seven h seventeen that you got, or the way
you stacked everything up, but just balancing the demands of
(35:53):
football and your faith.
Speaker 2 (35:54):
How does the how do you ultimately want to be remembered?
Speaker 4 (36:00):
And I want to be I want to be remembered
as a man who tried to as best he could
live for something that was greater than himself. Like my
legacy has little to do with me than me trying
to be a representation of God. It's about how my
(36:22):
wife remembers me and is able to tell my story.
And if you haven't seen Hamilton, bro Hamilton is the
greatest play ever, Like I used to be online king
I graduated. Hamilton is the best. But it's a little
it's a little playing there, a little play on words
in there that I'm saying, you know, how my wife
(36:43):
is able to remember me, how she's able to tell
my story, How my kids the lessons that they get
from me, and everything after that is a secondary really
you know if I can be a good enough representation
of God.
Speaker 2 (37:00):
Uh that my.
Speaker 3 (37:01):
Kids get it and they want to reflect God in
their own lives. Man, it's worth it. It's worth it all.
It's life well lived.
Speaker 2 (37:08):
Yeah. Look, you used to talk to you talked about
Hamilton a few times. This year. You went to go
see the person.
Speaker 3 (37:12):
Right, Yeah, we went with New York.
Speaker 4 (37:14):
My daughter, actually, my my ten year old daughter, oldest,
she was on it, and she she's musically inclined and
musically gifted. She memorized the whole I mean, if you
listen to these songs, they like little rap songs and.
Speaker 3 (37:28):
They got so many words.
Speaker 4 (37:29):
But she memorized the soundtrack front to back, Like you
start playing out any part, pick any song, she gonna
start singing it.
Speaker 2 (37:36):
That's her jam.
Speaker 4 (37:37):
And so we had to go see it. So we
went to New York. Not to mention my kids. Was like,
we're back at home and that's where we were born.
My oldest too, and uh, we took them to see
the play. Win saw Hamilton, Win saw Lion King, and
I was just blown away. I had always heard about Hamilton,
but I never went and saw it. But definitely something
(37:58):
that it's as many people talking about Hamilton. It's still
under it, that's how good it is.
Speaker 2 (38:05):
Hmm.
Speaker 1 (38:05):
Yeah, I feel like I've seen that on one of
the apps, so it was like a Hamilton Live music whatever,
and I was like, nah.
Speaker 2 (38:13):
Do you see I feel like.
Speaker 1 (38:15):
Yeah, like I said, one of the maps had it,
and I was just like, I just feel like it's
one of the things you have to see in person.
Speaker 2 (38:21):
Like if I watch you know.
Speaker 3 (38:23):
Don't don't somebody your statue.
Speaker 2 (38:25):
Definitely, man, you know my sisters spayd only last five
to ten.
Speaker 3 (38:34):
Yourself watching on the app and then try to go
see the person. Yeah, definitely, man, definitely say you get
a chance to go see the person.
Speaker 2 (38:40):
They just do it a full disservice. I moved so
fast being in.
Speaker 3 (38:43):
America and not having a chieved Burder not seeing.
Speaker 1 (38:46):
Him, Okay, big, big standard.
Speaker 2 (38:51):
Okay. I'm like I said, next time in New York,
I'm gonna look up a lifetime. Is it still going?
It's probably still going, but yeah.
Speaker 1 (38:58):
Like I'm I appreciate you tapping in, bro, I'm gonna
get you out of here because I know it's getting
rather late and with all seventy five kids yours.
Speaker 2 (39:08):
Come kidd, I'm kidding. So there you have it. It's
a wrap. I just want to say a huge thank you.
Speaker 1 (39:22):
To all my awesome listeners for rocking with me. I've
got a whole locker room full of my favorite interviews
from season.
Speaker 2 (39:27):
One coming your way. But before I go, you know
the drill. Come on now.
Speaker 1 (39:31):
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