Join us for a special seven-week series of "Off the Edge with Cam Jordan," where we're featuring some of the standout interviews from Season 1. This week, Cam is revisiting his conversation with his former teammate, the one and only Jimmy Graham.
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Speaker 1 (00:04):
What's up people, it's your boy, Camjay back with another
episode of Off the Edge with Cam Jordan. Now as
we gear it for another exciting season, I wanted to
reflect on some of the incredible guests I had the
pleasure of sitting down with last season. But hey, don't worry, though,
I got you new episodes coming your way real soon. Relax,
I got you. But in the meantime, in between time,
(00:25):
let's rewind and play back some of my favorite interviews
from season one. This week, I'll bring you the most
interesting man in NFL. That's right, A man who really
doesn't need introduction, but I'm given one anyways, A.
Speaker 2 (00:37):
Man whose passport requires no photograph.
Speaker 1 (00:39):
Sharks have a week dedicated to him, and he can
speak French in Russian, Ladies and gentlemen, I present to
you my former teammate, Jimmy Graham aka Hemy Graham. Hey,
(01:00):
I've got here on Off the Edge with my with
my own podcast, but I feel like it's not my
own today because I get to bring in one of
my one of my guys I looked up to when
I got to the league. You know, probably literally and
you know, figuratively speaking saying in at six nine or
whatever you want to you want to call yourself. But
you know, a teammate when I first got to the
Saints and I watched him leave, go to Seattle, become
(01:21):
the highest paid tight end, and then he went you know,
other places and came back to the Saints past year
where he was my teammate. Uh, to finish off, you know,
maybe finish off.
Speaker 2 (01:31):
We'll get to it.
Speaker 1 (01:32):
On such a phenomenal career, thirteen years in the NFL.
Could we could fight for fourteen? But it is what
it is. You know, five time Pro bowler, two time
All Pro, a man, a man who sued the NFL.
You know, a man he knows no bounds. Jimmy Griham,
my dog, my tight end. You know, my brother, I
appreciate you hopping on the pod.
Speaker 3 (01:52):
You know, I know we've been talking about it for
a long time, man, but it's cool to see. You know, like,
how how far you have come since those since the
maker days of your rookie year.
Speaker 2 (02:01):
You know, man, just think about twenty eleven.
Speaker 1 (02:04):
If I would have had a podcast in twenty eleven,
I would have lost my job.
Speaker 2 (02:07):
What like, would have got kicked out?
Speaker 3 (02:11):
I mean, I think I think half of us would
have been probably you know, I mean, I mean, honestly,
it's such a different era. You know, this this whole
podcast era has done so much to expose not exposed,
but to introduce like fans into so many players interests,
so many players' lives, and you know, I just think
it's it's it's something that's that's really elevated the game
(02:33):
for for sure.
Speaker 2 (02:34):
Man.
Speaker 1 (02:35):
It's like it's like you you look over and Michael
Parsons has a pod. You know, it used to be
like guys would have to retire first, you know, Marcus Spears,
the Ryan Clarks like, you know, and you had to
have like some accolades and some like you can't just
be anybody, you know. It tookate like Nate Burson had
to go to Good Morning Football first and then go
somewhere else and it goes and he played like eleven
years in the league, like he had to work his
(02:56):
way up and now he's that guy. But you know,
now again, so now you got guys that like, you know,
Max Crosby has a podcast, Von Miller has you know,
has a pod. It's all these guys across the league
that you're getting that in depth feel and you know,
me and Mark used to have one, and now it's
just me. It's just like, just like my teammates do Bro,
they leave me and I wish them better, and he's
(03:17):
on TV killing the college scene and I'm just holding
down a little pod.
Speaker 3 (03:21):
Yeah, but you'll be doing the same thing whenever you retired. Man,
you got you got a big future, as we all know,
as we all know, hey that.
Speaker 1 (03:29):
Is that is to be seen. But while we're here
in the NFL, we're gonna have a great time, no doubt.
We're the only two of the sort of like we
were the consecutive years after the New Orleans Saint Super Bowl.
So like, I just feel like we're old enough to
remember them having a Super Bowl, but not old enough
participate and just like wanting to be part of that.
Speaker 3 (03:47):
Yeah, I mean, I mean, if you go back, you
know what I mean. I can go back to my
rookie year and you know, come, I remember the first
time I was in then the ones huddle with Drew Brees.
It was Drew Brees, Marcus Colston, Lance Moore, Bush, Jeremy
Shockey and the best old line in all the football.
And he rattled off this play and I didn't know
(04:07):
what he was talking about. I mean, he said it
so quick, he said it probably ten times Scots in
Chase Daniels. Uh so. So I just basically just stayed
there and stared at him, and he said, Hey, just
just run an out round. Thanks, you know, I mean,
it was it was to sit in that huddle with
all those stars, you know, I mean with all I mean,
Jeremy Shockey was a rock star, Reggie Bush, one of
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the most famous guys in the NFL, obviously Drew Brees,
you know, the Saint and you know, to sit there
and be a part of that after a year before
being on a basketball court. Man, there was there was
no like every time I ever think or here's somebody say, oh,
life's the simulation, Well that was my simulation moment for sure. Man.
(04:51):
You know, obviously all of a sudden, sitting there and uh,
you know, basically be an in the video game. It's crazy. Man.
Speaker 1 (04:58):
For those that don't know, Jimmy went to the U
at the very end where maybe they weren't you anymore,
but like, you know, it is what it played. Played
basketball there at least at least we know that was
good basketball, you know, football.
Speaker 3 (05:10):
Listen, listen, we still had a great team. Obviously when
I came in, there was Devin Hester, Greg Olsen was
still there, you know. I mean we still had guys.
We just you know, kind of weren't figuring out kind
of the way to win. And then you know, obviously
some things haven't really rolled our way within the last
last while.
Speaker 1 (05:28):
But I hear you, but at least, like you guys
still fight to be good. Like you know, what was
that two thousand and nine, two thousand and ten bowl whatever?
That was col beats University of Miami in a bowl game,
But like that was that.
Speaker 2 (05:41):
Was the end of COW.
Speaker 3 (05:43):
I mean, that was the last thing you guys ever
did you know, you know? Unfortunately, and now I actually
I love our current coach. I think he's doing great
things there and you know, obviously being able to be
back here in Miami, get back involved with the program,
I might be in a couple of board seats and uh, you.
Speaker 2 (05:59):
Know watching the nil money roll out.
Speaker 3 (06:03):
Yeah, I gotta get that. And honestly, the biggest thing
in University of Miami is a stadium. You know, just
playing at Dolphin Stadium just doesn't have to feel like
the Orange Bowl does, and you know, they really need
somebody who can raise money and push towards maybe putting
a like a small Tyson stadium in this place called
Tropical Park down in the Gables. I mean, it'd be
a hot sticket in Miami, and obviously the city would
be able to use that, and we also be able
(06:25):
to throw you know, the state championships there and just
just do all kinds of things that kind of the
Orange Bowl was. We really need that back for the university.
Speaker 2 (06:34):
Mm hmm, that happens.
Speaker 1 (06:37):
Let me know, so I can buy some land out
there before them.
Speaker 3 (06:42):
Definitely, I'll definitely let you know.
Speaker 2 (06:44):
Perfect.
Speaker 1 (06:45):
You've been such a great teammate this whole especially like
my whole career.
Speaker 2 (06:49):
You've been my guy.
Speaker 1 (06:50):
But like this year, I mean, I'm not gonna lie you.
I wanted so much more for you this year than
you know, what was it? What was the what was
the astronomical rate? It was like six are six targets,
four touchdowns, Jimmy Braham And I'm like, so, why you're
you're on the sidelines hyped up. I'm on the sidelines
hyped up. But the fact that that makes you that
much more like better of a teammate. In my eyes
(07:11):
is this year is like you were never down, bro,
Like you were consistently like giving juice to everybody. You
on the sidelines, bro, just like amped up holds out
and I'm like the man.
Speaker 3 (07:21):
You know, Man, with me, it's all about winning, man,
That's all I care about. And you know, kind of
one of the number one things I want to do.
And the only reason that I decided not to retire
and come back to OLES was I wanted to mend
a bunch of those fences that you know that had
kind of gotten burned after I got traded and obviously
after I see the NFL. But but for me, man,
(07:42):
there's there's there's nothing better, or in my opinion, I
remember how close everyone was when they got to that championship,
and then that's all I've ever yearned from my TAR
career is that opportunity to go with my brothers and
make that martial to the super Bowl. So you know,
for me, you know what I mean, even if I'm
not up or if the opportunity is not mine one,
I know I'll be ready for it because you know,
we always ready to eat, you know what I'm saying,
(08:04):
Like if it's not. It's not a question of if
we will be ready. If we will and we already
know what's gonna happen when those opportunities come. But uh,
you know, man, I was, I was. I knew I
was there also to help and uh, you know, I
kind of as a mentor for a lot of the
younger guys. And then obviously my time with Juwan was
incredible this year, you know, just especially when he finished
(08:26):
the season. I'd love to see it. And he puts
in the work, so you know what I mean. I
know my role now is a little different, obviously being
thirty seven years old. But man, I'm but you know,
I'm always be a competitor. Man I think I think
no matter who it is or or where it is,
if you get in the rezone, man, uh you know
in the big unit's always ready.
Speaker 1 (08:44):
Always ready. It turned up this year you snagged one
of them things. It was like it was too easy,
Like over the Top didn't even with the Cuddy. It
was in the red zone. Over the Top must need
like third down and like twelve or something like that.
Speaker 2 (08:57):
And this is why you say that used to call
car can't call carot More like Jimmy t.
Speaker 1 (09:05):
Next next years you scored touchdown and was like what
you came up to the sideline, was like, I'm.
Speaker 2 (09:10):
Him, I was him, I've been him. I am And
I was like.
Speaker 3 (09:18):
Yeah, you know, man, it's just like obviously I love
the game and that's what I'm going to miss the
most is kind of that just the height with your teammates. Man,
there's there is nothing like that.
Speaker 1 (09:27):
So that tweet all love whatever whatever you say, bro.
And I looked at I was like, oh, he just
met like scenes over.
Speaker 3 (09:34):
Yeah. I mean, I mean nobody said me up, you know.
I mean obviously you know I was, I was an
active for a couple of games and whatnot, So you know,
I don't I don't know how people feel about me.
I mean I know that I know that I can
still run, I can still get open. You know, I'm
still bigg.
Speaker 2 (09:51):
So giving out work at practice.
Speaker 3 (09:54):
Yeah yeah, I mean I was like first coming in
and not playing for a year, I knew the big
question was like can this guy even move? You know,
I mean it wasn't sky playing a decade ago, but
with all the biking, I do, you know, I'm kind
of crazy when it comes to diet and everything. Man,
I already knew it. I already knew like, once my
hamstrings get used to the cutting that I was, wouldna
(10:15):
still be able to kill. And so you know, it
was just nice to be able to prove it kind
of a basis, especially in practice.
Speaker 2 (10:21):
Fact, I mean, that's just it.
Speaker 1 (10:23):
You might have like after taking a year off, there
might have been a cheat code, honestly, like let your
body heal like an off season. It takes you three
and a half four months to be like I'm good again.
Speaker 3 (10:36):
I mean one hundred percent. I mean really, So if
you can remember how kind of things went kind of
in the middle of my career, I get traded with
the me brace. Yes, I mean I get traded for
a first round pick. I have some life stuff that
went down the off season, and then Week ten, the
highest paid to ever live, I completely blow my knee up,
(10:56):
and Victor Cruz called me and he said, hey, man,
this one's impossible. You know, we had the same injury.
And I'm looking at my career and you know, I'm
trying to make it, you know, a Hall of Fame career,
and I'm looking at it like I might even play
another snap. So to sit there and be on crutches,
not way bearing for ten ten eleven weeks. I had
to learn how to walk, learn how to jog. And
(11:18):
in that season, my patello actually wasn't healed completely. But
as you know, we gotta play, gotta need gotta met,
gotta gotta be an FDL can miss games. So I
played the whole season with incomplete batilla, end up making
the Pro Bowl. But basically every every season after that,
I was having like minor surgeries just clean up some stuff,
(11:41):
just because I really wasn't able to let my knee
completely heal because the window and the off season is
just so small, so I was just kind of always
building up for the season. And then this degradation of
my quad and my knee what happened during the season.
So taking a year off for me, man, it changed everything.
Like this is I mean my knee right now, it's
(12:01):
my knees are strong they've ever been. And it was
from that year. And then obviously the bike, you know.
Speaker 1 (12:07):
Right, bike, Yeah, and you walked through the building, You're like,
you're like, bro, He's like, yeah, man, I just a
car hit me while I was on my bike, and
I made sure the car was Okay, the.
Speaker 2 (12:18):
Hell you on, Jimmy fat Well?
Speaker 3 (12:21):
No, No, I mean well, obviously I lost a little
bit of way, so I was wondering. So once I
got hit out of that car and just ate it,
I was like, man, I probably still do this football thing.
Speaker 2 (12:28):
Can we just talk about this like this was an
off season?
Speaker 1 (12:30):
This is like, hey, I took you took a year off,
but like I don't know if I'm coming back to football.
Speaker 2 (12:34):
So you're biking down and where was it? Miami?
Speaker 3 (12:37):
Yeah, yes, I'm fucking done in Miami, and I'm I'm
trying to prepare because I got some hundred mile races
uh to head to, and then I ended up going
to I knew I was going to Italy to ride
across Tuscany, which is like three hundred miles, so I
was just training. I was on my way back to
the boat and I had left the Pelton on so
it was kind of by myself. And by a week earlier,
there was just like there's a there's a light where
(12:59):
there's kind of like a quick left turn, and every
day I used to go about it, I was like, man,
if somebody doesn't see me here, there's something dangerous, but
you know, I kind of kept alert. And then literally
a week later, I'm just going on. I'm like hitting
like twenty twenty five, and I look and I'm like,
does this guy see me? And I'm like, I don't know,
and he just yanks into me, and I mean that's
really all I could do is just kind of just
kind of brace for it. He hits me, I go
(13:23):
flying the bike. It was a it was a Mercedes Suv.
It hit me and then the whole bike ricocheted on
my right leg and I go flying through the air
land on my back. My helmet like splits open. I
think I was wearing helmet. Obviously, if a bike, always
wearing helmet. Never never think you don't need a helmet.
And so at first I thought, I like, at first,
(13:43):
I honestly thought that I broke my femur with the bike.
The bike was completely shadowed. It shattered in like six places.
Everything was tore up.
Speaker 2 (13:52):
But I know the street bikes is light and built
for speed.
Speaker 3 (13:56):
Yeah. Yeah, and the bike wasn't cheap, so bike with
it it was like a twenty thousand bike. But so
we got to replace. We got to crash replacement Specialized
shout out. I appreciate it, but you know, I ended
up getting stitches at the hospital. But you know, I
was on a bike two days later, you know, and
(14:17):
everything was fine. Man, always good.
Speaker 2 (14:19):
What type of bike is it?
Speaker 1 (14:20):
Because now I want to know because like I've got
an orbea and I thought my Orbit was is a
beautiful bike?
Speaker 2 (14:25):
And I was like, yeah, many thousand dollars bike.
Speaker 1 (14:27):
I was like, I'm top of the line, Like I
had to work out to deal with them because I
was like I'm not oh.
Speaker 3 (14:32):
No, no, no, they're pretty. And you got to think about
also the components. So my old bike was an SL
seven s Work Specialized, but my new replacement was a Slight,
which is kind of their newer update, which is beyond better,
like in every way. The problem with the SL seven
for me, because I waste so much, is every time
I would get up the sprint, like I have a
(14:52):
my max wattage is two thousands. So when I go
to sprint, I could feel the bike like flexing beneath me,
like nasty, like it just didn't interesting, all right. And
then once I now with the SLA, it's more, it's
got more stiffness, it's more Arrow. It's like everything you want.
And then my other bike, my climbing bike is a
(15:12):
is a Pinarello Dogma and that was the most expensive one.
Speaker 1 (15:15):
Bro, you have a climbing bike, see this, I'm you know,
I'm in Arizona, so I don't have heels, bro.
Speaker 3 (15:21):
Yeah. Yeah, So so basically in Miami, I have an
arrow bike, which is really my Sol eight now, which
is on a one by on the front, so I
got a big chain ring on the front because we're
just on flats, so I can just rip and and
really the object the object of that, because you're pedlo
constant for three hours, you're behind people, you're in a peloton,
(15:43):
you're trying to do these sprints. But a climber needs
to be lighter and also needs a completely different gearing
on the back because being this big, you're going to
be like when I'm up there in North Carolina or
I go to Colorado, or I go to Europe, and bikes.
Speaker 1 (15:58):
Are no jokes. I was I told you about that.
I was in I was in Bilbao and I did
I died. I died it three times. I felt embarrassed.
Speaker 2 (16:05):
I was like no, I was like, Bro, I.
Speaker 1 (16:06):
Go fifteen twenty twenty five miles in a day, like
off just or whatever. He's like, yeah, we're gonna go
for a thirteen click and I was like, thirteen clicks.
I was like, that's like six miles, seven miles.
Speaker 2 (16:14):
Whatever that is.
Speaker 1 (16:15):
It's like I got that, bro, I had about three times,
just like.
Speaker 3 (16:19):
Oh yeah, no, no, it's the biking is the hardest,
one of the most competitive things I ever done in
my entire life. What these guys in the Twitter Frances
are doing is I mean, it's there. They're basically killing
themselves every day through through a twenty one day period.
Most of those guys have like rabdough. They're completely wasted.
They lose all this. I mean, they're doing all they
(16:41):
can just to hold on. But when you're in the mountains, man,
especially guys our size, Oh, it's so much work. The
amount of watch it so the mountains is wats per kilo.
That's how fast you know you can go off mountains
And obviously we weigh way too much again a bike
doing thing like that, So we're working ten times hard
than anybody that's morning ten times man.
Speaker 1 (17:00):
Like I see the caps going, I'm like, bro, I'm
pumping I'm killing this, like I'm killing this right now.
Speaker 2 (17:05):
I'm not.
Speaker 1 (17:06):
Oh yeah, you take you take off this.
Speaker 2 (17:25):
You know, the car takes you out.
Speaker 1 (17:26):
You take out the car, You hit the ground, bro,
you splits, you get up, you shake it.
Speaker 2 (17:32):
Off, and that makes you be like, all right, I'm back.
Think I'm ready for football.
Speaker 3 (17:37):
I think I can do this. But also because like
all the people I do and train with on a bike,
I kept telling everybody just how great my knee felt,
you know, I was like, man, I feel unbelievable. And
plus I was I remember like I did like a
like a weak loading period before before I went down
or just so I was like, because I hadn't ran
(17:57):
or cut since twenty twenty one, I had done anything.
I seen a ball in there. I mean, I didn't
do anything. I just showed up. So when I was running,
I felt bouncy like I used to, you know, like
back before the knee happened. I was like, man, I
feel like I could do a backflip right now. And
so when I went down there, you know, obviously, man,
I still have the speed, still still could jump, and
I can honestly say it was because of the bike
(18:19):
and what it did for my name one hundred.
Speaker 2 (18:21):
Bro.
Speaker 3 (18:21):
You cat.
Speaker 1 (18:21):
You came into what was that off season whatever that was.
You were like, you came to the building. I was like, yeah,
you're not gonna text me and.
Speaker 2 (18:28):
Let me know you coming back. I was like, I
was like, you want some jar like you want some
Jarry Jamonsko. I was like, what you want? You're like, nah, Bro,
I'm running this. He was like, I think I got
to run a forty at like eight.
Speaker 1 (18:41):
He's like, now, I'm just gonna go run some Browns
whatever it is, or you can't do to practice the
next day, bro, I was like, and Jimmy.
Speaker 2 (18:49):
Matthews walked up to you. You're like, You're like, oh,
you coached him, big.
Speaker 3 (18:51):
Dog like you No, I'm out here. I'm out here
just just with you. It's funny to the you know Matthews, man,
we we have battled so many times on separate teams.
You know. I remember when I came in his rookie year.
He was talking all this cash in the media before
(19:14):
we played, and Sean Payton was all over me about it.
Sean Payton puts some like dB on me every down
and practice one on one and was like the honey
Badgers gonna be all over you, honey budget and and
so going to that game, I mean I was ready
to die. I was like, I'm a murderous dude. We
ended up I ended up doing pretty well at that game,
(19:35):
but we we ended up meeting up a couple of
times in Seattle, man and just have battles when he
was in Arizona. Man, I have so much respect for
him and just how he handles his business.
Speaker 2 (19:43):
And because he comes up to here him Yeah.
Speaker 3 (19:46):
Dude, is it's like unbelievable how productive he's been and
how special he is, you know, I mean, especially at
his size or hype. You know, it's just like unreal.
His just his like his his intelligence of the game,
his like nose for the ball just beyond special.
Speaker 1 (20:01):
Crazy crazy, Like I always just has a knack to
be where it's at. I've never had a I've never
got a chance to ask you out of you know,
you've you've seen what Jay Cutler, Aaron Rodgers, of course,
Drew Brees.
Speaker 2 (20:13):
You know, Uh you have Russ. Do you have a
favorite quarterback?
Speaker 3 (20:20):
Man? I? You know, I have my favorites in different ways,
you know what I mean, Like like like I break
things down on it. Just just how they are as
a player, you know, and and and all three of
them are completely different by human beings basically just how
they operate even on the field. Obviously, me and Drew
(20:43):
the connection, I don't think there was ever anything better,
you know, we uh, you know, I think now when
you see guys like Travis, you know, and Sam Fran
you know, it's like that was also based on a
lot that me and Drew were able to do. Obviously
alongside of Gronk and Brady. You know, when me and
(21:03):
Drew together for those five years, the numbers we put
up and where we're able to do, it's really just
the connection was so special. Man, he knew exactly what
I was doing and I knew what he was doing.
It was almost like we could read other thoughts. And
then obviously went out of Seattle, they were more of
a run team, so you know, for me, they're like, hey,
I know, you're used to getting a hundred balls the season,
(21:24):
but if you get sixty here, you're gonna break every record.
I mean, I think I still have other records, but
it's it still was only like sixty. And they were right,
it was, you know, I mean it was different because
we just ran the ball so much and a lot
of play action, a lot of scrambling. But with Russ,
I mean just kind of how we up. Like this dude,
he was like never down, like ever about anything, you know.
(21:45):
So we'd be down by three touchdownds, he said, all right,
one more we're gonna like he's always saying, and so
like it makes you believe it, you know. And and
there was times when we came back and when you know,
other times we would have just packed it up and
went to the next game. But man, he was he
was always a positive about everything. And then and then
Aaron when it comes, I don't think I've ever seen
(22:06):
anybody throw the ball in Aaron Rogers. No. You know,
my time there wasn't the greatest. Obviously, timing sucked, you know.
My first year, Mike McCarthy gets fired. That was an
absolute mess. And then the second year, you know, mattla
Flour comes in with a new offense, doesn't really give
Aaron any power to do what he wants. So we
(22:28):
made an MC championship, but our offense wasn't great because
basically he wouldn't let Aaron, you know, actually change the
right play and do these certain things. But when it
comes to tossing the rock, man, I don't I don't
think live I've ever seen anybody throw the ball like
he does ever. Just it's just everything that he doesn't do.
I mean, it's it's like our work. Like the way
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that comes out of his wrists and the way he
flips it. It's just stupid. Like we're doing like drills,
like like resilent drills. No, no, no, like two minutes and
we have like five seconds left. He moving on like
the logo, and this dude would just scramble around a
little bit. He'd be looking over here and he would
throw the ball to the right and now looking at
the receiver one on one on the right side to
do that like it's just and the ball was just
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slinging right to him. It's just crazy. I mean his arm,
his arm, yeah, yeah, his arm by part the best service.
Speaker 2 (23:19):
I mean, you know they don't want to just take
credit for that. You know, he'll probably call.
Speaker 1 (23:23):
He'll probably claim is his junior collegeut out out in California,
But bears guy, you know, University of California.
Speaker 3 (23:29):
But you too, who else right now? Is is you know,
at the top of the game, like you guys are,
somebody would.
Speaker 1 (23:39):
Say, like, you know, there's an NC Championship game coming up,
and you know, I think Detroit Lions are doing really
really well, coached really.
Speaker 2 (23:45):
Well by just a myriad of great coaches.
Speaker 1 (23:49):
But you would say the face of that would be
a Colbert, you know, good old Jared Goff, the last Yeah. Yeah,
the last first rounder to be drafted of the University
of California bird number one.
Speaker 3 (24:01):
Yeah, yeah, man, I'm man, I'm so happy for him. Man,
I'm so happy for him. Man, him and and the
head coach that whole city deserves it.
Speaker 2 (24:09):
Man, did you play with Dan? You didn't play?
Speaker 3 (24:13):
No? Come on, bro, come on, I'm saying no, but no. No.
Dan was almost my coach because, uh, the year right
before I got traded, they had fired my tight end
coach and they brought him in, so I was supposed
to be talking to him, and then I got traded.
So yeah, ob Seattle, you.
Speaker 2 (24:33):
Sue the NFL. Who do you?
Speaker 3 (24:34):
Who? Do you know?
Speaker 2 (24:35):
Sues the NFL and then sort of wins.
Speaker 1 (24:39):
Like didn't went to you like you wanted to be
paid ribrace money, but you know, suit him because you
were out in the slot like seventy percent of the
time versus what your tight end situation was. But sort
of wins and then you know, becomes the highest paid
tight end resets the whole market the first tight end.
Speaker 3 (24:55):
I re said it twice. But what was interesting, What
was interesting was, I mean, none of that should ever
really happened, you know what I'm saying, Like they never
even offered me a contract to start with. You know,
they said that. My agent told me, hey, they're going.
Speaker 2 (25:10):
To start it.
Speaker 3 (25:11):
No now now now you're welcome. You're welcome. Now. They
pay guys who deserve it early right back then they
were playing harble so you know, like guys, you know,
guys would basically be franchise school of pre agency or
they would play horrible, or you have to sign something
that wasn't really where your market was. But you know,
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basically they said, well, the franchise SAG is so cheap
that we're not going to offer you like a contract.
We're going to franchise you twice that you'd be thirty,
we'll get rid of you. Right when they said that,
I was like, all right, like there's no way that's happening,
especially well, especially the way I played. The way I played,
I was bound to get hurt, like it wasn't it
wasn't a chance of if it was win and how
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bad because you know that was the old school over
the middle. All we ran was uh basically, I'll go
I'll go special, and I was getting tattooed across the middle.
So you know, I mean I had to find guarantee money.
Speaker 1 (26:10):
So I had to and you got it though, you
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being you being over Seattle for for extended period of
time and then now Pete Carroll, you know, retiring, did
that have any impact on you?
Speaker 2 (26:38):
Like what was what was Pete Carroll's legacy?
Speaker 3 (26:40):
Like, man, I had a special relationship with Pete. Obviously
they were a big part of that trade. Uh Pe
was phenomenal with me as far as like letting me
fly into work. You know, he wasn't tripping about the
planes and the cars and all the extracurricular stuff.
Speaker 2 (26:56):
When you say, when you say flying the work, what
you're talking about.
Speaker 3 (27:00):
Uh So my first week on a job, John Northstrom,
who used to own the team, he sold it to
Paul Allen, but he was still very close because you know,
his friend owned it. So and so he used to
come into work all the time. So he so he
comes in. He's like, hey, my name is John Northstone.
I us still on the team. I heard you're a
pilot and I was like yeah. He's like, have you
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do you have your set your seaplane license? I said no,
but I've been I've been thinking about getting that. Jack Brown.
He's like, oh, I flew in. Uh, if you want
to go out and see my seatplane. I was like yeah.
So we walk out to the dock and literally right
on the bottom of Lake Washington. He had this thing
called a beaver On Anthips, which is like this old
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school warplane that Canada was built in Canada. A bunch
of went to Vietnam and uh. So we got this
thing and we went flying over the city man and uh.
A week later I went and got my seaplane license,
and then a couple of months later I bought one
and restored it. So I bought one that fought in
Vietnam and so I had to fully rebuild. So the
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next year, when the plane was ready, like three times
a week, I used to fly into work. So I
looked at the top of Lake Washington. It's like a
forty five minute drive. It's kind of far, but it
was a five minute flight. So I used to just
take off sometime I would like live stream it and
then I would just land maybe five minutes and I
get out, tied up and go to the go to practice. Yeah.
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It was nice.
Speaker 1 (28:30):
It was and it like connected to the facility and
connected like the back of the facility or like yeah,
oh yeah, like like like you fly from the crib,
So you drive to your plane from your house, which
is a couple minutes, and then you fly down.
Speaker 3 (28:42):
Yeah. Yeah, I literally fly down the lake literally five
minutes I land. It's like you have to talk to
one of the towers at the written at the well.
There's a little one down there. There's a little one
that they make, I think one of the one of
the boatings they make down there, and you just basically
you get on the radio. Then I just literally pull
up to the dock. I jump out tied to the
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little floating duck and like I had my little like
parking space number like Jimmy Graham's yeah, and then you
like go through and that connects right to the players
parking mom and so he just walked up. So people
would like like coaches would watch me fly into the
d Yeah. It was kind of weird, Jimmy, you don't see.
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But it was also cool because that's that's when I
started doing the wounded warrior stuff. So we used to
bring in, uh sometimes on either Monday or Tuesday, we'd
bring in a wounded warrior and we give him like
a full tour the facility. We gear him down with
e K we'd give him a jersey, and then I
would take them on the dock and I would fly
them and I would actually teach them how to fly.
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So we'd be over like Washington, I'd be there wooded
warrior flying and then we go back, I drop them
off and go home. I mean it was it was
a pretty cool experience for sure.
Speaker 1 (29:54):
So so he didn't come down on you like the
Cowboys came down on our dog Brandon Cooks, because.
Speaker 2 (30:00):
To you know what, Dak and Mike, Yeah, yeah, it
was like you can't do that.
Speaker 1 (30:04):
We didn't even hear, but like you you doing that
was like hey man, you guys, you know you.
Speaker 2 (30:09):
Guys flew before I got you. Didn't take you on
a plane.
Speaker 3 (30:13):
Yeah. Well, the Saints when I was young tried some
of that That's that's why I was pretty quiet, Like
I didn't have Instagram, so like way later than most people.
And one of it because I was, you know, I'm
kind of private, but I was definitely being private about
the flying thing because I knew it was going to
be an issue. So basically I had like four licenses,
four or five licenses by the time they found out,
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and I already owned two planes. So because they were like, hey,
we want like, you can't be in anything that isn't
a jet that doesn't have two engines or a co pilot.
And I'm like, well, already got an airbatic plane, bro,
so that's not happening. And that's it. That was really
the end of it, you know what I mean. I
told them, like an airbac clane, I'll wear a parachute.
(30:54):
But that's about it. I mean. And then now you
know I'm a commercial multi single. You know, I've got
everything now to where I'm beyond proficient and basically everything
that fly or anything. And but I've taken a lot
of teammates.
Speaker 1 (31:08):
I mean, the coolest flight moment you say, I'm gonna say,
I'm gonna say Blue Angels. When I saw what I
was like, yeah, flew with the Blue Angels, like yeah, door.
Speaker 3 (31:17):
Out of here, I would say last year in June.
So I'm the honorary commander of the Homestead Air Force
Base down here in Miami, which is also the home
to our world renown MAKOS, which is our F sixteen
fighter squadron. They've been deployed in various things over many years.
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Right now, some of them are working as presidential detail
up in Washington.
Speaker 2 (31:45):
Classify get my canceled.
Speaker 3 (31:47):
No no, no, no, no, it's you could look up. You
can look all that up online. But we so so
in June they ended up having a D Model sixteen.
So I got to fly with one of my good
friends from the macOS and it was incredible. You know,
the day or the week before, I had to go
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through all the like survival stuff and like in case
you get in the water, and all the cockpit stuff
and obviously it had a full live ejection seat and
all this, you know, the oxygen system. But you know,
to be able to take that down south, we're right
over the keys Key westward kind of out out over
the water. We had between the ground and sixty thousand
(32:29):
feet and man sixty sixty thousand. Yeah, and to be
able oh yeah, crazy work, oh yeah, it's in. And
to be able to go that fast, you know, do
the various things that we did and the flybys that
we did was just magical. Man. It was everything that
I was.
Speaker 2 (32:48):
In perspective, like a commercial flight.
Speaker 1 (32:50):
You get on you know, Delta Southwest United flying, you're
going with ten thousand, ten thousand, be near?
Speaker 2 (32:56):
Are you in that eye?
Speaker 3 (32:57):
Yeah, you're between the thirties, so you're thirty thirty five thousand.
Those are mostly where those fly. All the bigger jets,
like all the private jets still fly like higher forties
and then in the fifties.
Speaker 2 (33:08):
But and you're on the sixties.
Speaker 3 (33:10):
Yeah, well we're well they had a block out that
amount of space for all the maneuvers that were doing,
and so we would have enough to be able to
climb and do some of these awesome, interesting military maneuvers
that that's really cool. That's crazy, really cool.
Speaker 1 (33:26):
All right, So now I almost say football is out
the way, but it's sort of it's.
Speaker 2 (33:31):
Only a side, right, it's only a side.
Speaker 1 (33:33):
You're not saying full retirement, but you possibly could come
back anyway. So if this is retirement, during the season
you talked about rowing across the world or whatever the
hell that was. Are you still talking about trying to
sail across the world or continent to continent?
Speaker 2 (33:50):
No, is that a thing?
Speaker 3 (33:52):
Yes, So there's been an update, the most recent update,
and we're all in on this thing now. So apparently
someone had read that I was trying to sail around
the world, and so they ended up reaching out and
asked me if I would think about trying to break
a world record. But knownst to me earlier last year
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one of my very close friends, he's been a CEO
for twenty three years. He just retired. He's working private
equity now. And I told him at a pub at
his graduation because he also got his NBA from Cambridge.
I told him, hey, because he'd been asked me to
do this for eight years, and I said, okay, we're
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getting a little banged up. And I said, He's like,
you're the only person that will do this with me,
So will you do what? I think it'd be incredible
experience for us, both very challenging and great opportunity. So
the person that reached out to us was on the
national the US National Open Ocean Rowing team, and so
now we are we have a meeting in two weeks altogether,
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and all the this is all the beginning stages of
what we're going to do an attempt, but we're going
to attempt in twenty twenty five to set a world
record by rowing across an ocean with a four person team.
And it's a four person mixed team.
Speaker 2 (35:16):
So the next team being men and women.
Speaker 3 (35:20):
Yes, it was going to be that, but now there's
that we're actually taking one of the shorter routes to
start with, and then the next we're probably gonna race.
So the first route that we just decided basically a
week ago, and our first training camp is gonna be
in two weeks because one it's gonna be hilarious because
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my boy rode in college. The other guy who was
actually married to to to the girl we're doing it with, uh,
well she's got a gold medal for the open ocean
rowing and the guy is actually two lanes rowing coach.
So it's so yeah, yes, So I'm gonna be back
in New Orleans and we're gonna meet about where some
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of these charitable contributions are going to go to, which
are probably gonna be young kids in the New Orleans
area to expose them to certain things. But we're all
going to it looks like attempt to row across the
Arctic Ocean and that's going to be twenty twenty five.
Now you know, I'm a Miami boy, so you know
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how cold. Yeah, well it's gonna be in the summer.
It's like twenty four hour day life. But obviously it's
very dangerous. And then after that we plan to possibly
row across the Pacific Ocean. Now that's that's all of
these things are very dangerous obviously, and we're gonna have
to get a lot of certifications. Yeah, but that's what's
next for me.
Speaker 1 (36:46):
Man, is how long bro like just guesstimate, like how
long would that take to cross an ocean?
Speaker 3 (36:52):
Like, Yeah, well, it just depends on which ocean you
cross and at what time of year. But most likely
if we do it, if we do one of these
open ocean races, is we're most likely going to do
the Pacific, which it would be from California to Hawaii,
and that can take anywhere between thirty to forty some days.
And the very interesting about this is I'm going to
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film a lot of this and most likely make a
document out of it. One Jimmy biggest Jimmy, can we
just talk about this one? You have? Everybody else knows
how to row, but I've never rode before. So that's
where this is so interesting. Is it's going to be
comical because obviously I'm very competitive. My boy, he's beyond competitive.
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So it to just be us basically talking to uh,
you know, also me trying to learn how to roam.
You know, I mean, I've never sustained rowing. I've never
rode in the open ocean. I've never been on a rowboat.
All of these things are factors. But where I think
this works in my favor is one, we're chasing world
records and we're and we're doing it for a great cause.
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But two, if I can roll across, if I can
roll across the ocean sailing a big yacht, it's going
to be easy. So that's if.
Speaker 2 (38:09):
That's your motivation.
Speaker 3 (38:11):
Yeah, it's like practice for the for the solo sailing.
And that's that's kind of the way I see it.
And you know, it just really gives me something to
look forward to and you know, something that athletically I
can push myself in a new direction. You know, and
I don't have to take hits anymore. I can just
sit there and just get to work.
Speaker 1 (38:31):
What the bro Me and Mark was like, you know,
we do like these family vacation you know vacations whatever. Bro.
We were in the Caribbean on this yacht and you
know how they like dock it, like you know whatever
that is they dock it. Let's call it three four
hundred yards out from the beach right depending on where
it's at. Me and him were like, hey man, you
think you could make the other side. So we swam
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to the to the beach and we're like dog as
tired after a ten minutes swim.
Speaker 2 (38:56):
You're trying to roll, you're trying to row for thirty days.
Speaker 3 (39:00):
Can technically yeah, what's also yeah, Like, what's also interesting
about it is it pushes you in every way mentally physically.
You know, we are going to only get two hour breaks,
so you know, basically you're off for two hours, and
I think that means you don't get another time off.
So you row for six and you're off another two
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and so over a cumulative time, I think you getting
like six hours of sleep a day, maybe five, But
within your two hours, your responsibilities. You have to clean obviously,
do some it depends on what your job is as
far as tracking goes moving, obviously, you've got to get
some sleep during that period. So not only is it
challenging like that, but it's also you're dealing with a
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lot of sleep deprivation. You're dealing with if you're doing
the Pacific, you're dealing with storms obviously and being on
a rowboat at night. So that's why I believe this
will just prepare me for the sailing. I'll be able
to use what I've learned in sailing and flying as
far as weather and tracking to go to this rowing thing.
Speaker 1 (40:01):
But but but selling, you're like sort of you're by
yourself on this right, So really it's just you tracking.
Speaker 3 (40:06):
You Yes, yeah, rowing rowing, it's literally.
Speaker 2 (40:09):
Like a team.
Speaker 1 (40:10):
And as much as I love my teammates, I couldn't
imagine being like me and you know Carl and Peyton
Turner and Malcolm Roach.
Speaker 2 (40:20):
For thirty straight days.
Speaker 3 (40:21):
Yeah, yeah, we're.
Speaker 2 (40:23):
Not catching sleep like that. Somebody, somebody's getting thrown off
the rowboat.
Speaker 3 (40:27):
Somebody. Well see this is see, this is some of
the most challenging parts of it is obviously the team
personalities matter. You know, we're gonna do a bunch of
team building activities just to make sure we're all the
right people to be on the boat. But but then,
but then, also you get super close to each other.
Obviously because there's no bathroom on this boat, there's just
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gonna be there's just gonna be a carbon fipper bucket.
Speaker 1 (40:49):
So you know, well, I didn't even think about, oh yeah,
what second, I got to take a piss rowing I'm
going way.
Speaker 2 (41:01):
It's always getting pissed on, I'm calling it now.
Speaker 3 (41:03):
Oh for sure. Well, I mean, like imagine rough Seas,
big storm. Uh, you know, it's it's this is gonna
be the hardest thing I've ever signed up for, to
be the hardest thing I've ever done, and it'll be the
most challenging. But I believe that, you know, obviously after
I get done with this, and obviously being able to
do this with uh, you know, one of my best friends,
and to share this experience with him, and to obviously
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do it for a great cause. I think there's nothing
better I could sign up for. Immediately right after a
football storm.
Speaker 1 (41:33):
Sign me up, man, fat, I mean, when you say
what's next, most people thinking you know are like the
pe guys, they're like private equity or like, oh, I'm
gonna start flipping houses. Oh I'm gonna get into you
know whatever. That next phase is start a podcast and
you are like, yeah, I'm gonna go thirty forty days
in the Arctic.
Speaker 3 (41:50):
Well, well, you know obviously with businessman, I'm you know,
I've been always active and I don't think people.
Speaker 2 (41:55):
Yeah yeah, but that's not something you picked up. That's
something that's you know, you've been.
Speaker 3 (41:58):
On Yeah, yeah, one hundred. So I'm I'm obviously gonna
keep doing that at scaling all of the things that
I'm that I'm involved with.
Speaker 1 (42:06):
Yeah, I'll just be I'll be waiting for my phone call.
It won't come, but it's okay. I know officially he's
gonna call, will you and you? Between between you and
John Wilma, I don't know who keeps more secrets from me.
I'll be like Roes, I have liquid.
Speaker 3 (42:22):
No, no, no, I've got some big things down a popular man.
I'll definitely keep you up to day.
Speaker 2 (42:26):
Before I get you out here.
Speaker 1 (42:27):
Man, you've been a tight end who's played at such
at the highest level, at being all pro you know,
pro bowler been. You know, You've done so many miraculous things,
seen so many playoffs. Who do you got winning this year?
We're getting down, We're getting down to the to the
to the final final.
Speaker 3 (42:45):
That's it's a hard one because there's there's there's there's
people I would love to win.
Speaker 2 (42:50):
There's four teams left. I hear you.
Speaker 3 (42:53):
I mean, man, I would love to see Baltimore doing
you know, I mean, uh, I would love to see
you know, just I think personally Lamar, I feel like
he's gotten so much black and so many people just
don't believe in him and believe in the way they plays.
But I think he the way he's been playing, especially
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as of late, it's just special. And I think he's
done a lot to change the game and continue to
evolve the game. But you know it, how like to me,
how UNBELIEVABLEILL be in Baltimore versus Line super Bowl, which
is something that no one would have ever predicted, no
doubt ever ever.
Speaker 2 (43:34):
Ticket sales been going crazy in Detroit. I don't know
if you say that, like the highest detail value tickets today.
Speaker 3 (43:39):
It's crazy. It's crazy. I mean because I played against
the Lions over the last however long and those things
were free and uh, but but not anymore. Man. It's
it's it's just unbelievable what what Dan's men will do
out there, you know, obviously turning that place around, changing
the culture, changing the environment, and just having people understand
how poor winning is, and you know, just kind of
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turning the team into the same exact blue collar, hard
gritty type of community.
Speaker 1 (44:08):
Dan Kelp said, we're gonna crawl and we go if
we need to take bit n cats off.
Speaker 3 (44:12):
Exactly years later, they lie people. People thought it was crazy.
He said it, but he wouldn't line. He wouldn't line
because that's what they're doing for sure, looking.
Speaker 2 (44:21):
At him, like, what are you talking about. Nah, he's
from a different era.
Speaker 1 (44:23):
He believes in doing all that he's saying, Like he
actually played the game for ten years. Like if there's
coaches that can't say that he said, and he meant it,
and the team bought in, and he would go get
guys like you know, Chauncey Gardner Johnson, you know he
would you know, he was drafted a guy like Aiden
Hutchinson playing lights out just like a nitty gritty worker.
You know, he brought it Aaron Glenn is a A G.
(44:45):
Was a decordinator for Yeah it was it, uh dB
coach for US and now DC over at Detroit.
Speaker 2 (44:50):
Man.
Speaker 1 (44:50):
Great dude, but he has that old school mentality. They
played and they're like, but he said something like, no,
that's probably gonna work.
Speaker 3 (44:56):
No, he's seen that, and you know, I mean, I
think there's him to be said about that. You know,
it's it's you know, uh, you know, bringing bringing the
NFL back to a little bit of some of that
old school stuff, you know. I mean it's it's uh,
you know, we got introduced to it as young players.
We knew on a crazy level. You know. My my
rookie year was the last.
Speaker 2 (45:17):
Jeremy Shocky as y O G.
Speaker 1 (45:19):
I like, and he was the last of the rock
stars that you were like mandout him.
Speaker 3 (45:25):
I mean, first it was two a day's still to
PATA practice of the day training camps in New Orleans
with Seam Payton. I'll let you know what time it is.
It was absolute hell. I was calling home like I
don't know if I could do this. I mean I was,
I mean because Shocky, I mean, first off, being his
rookie was like iconic almost because they just won a
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super Bowl. He was the rock star. He he was,
he was a rock star. I mean everybody wanted to
be around him. I remember just leaving a bar and
running down the street because people are chasing us down
the street like like rock stars, and it was it
was so cool to experience. But also Shaki is hilarious
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and like I remember one morning he was like he
was like, hey, big dog, Uh yes, it seems like
my basin be going out today. But I was like, what, bro,
really go Bro, We're in stretch. This dude's back tightened
up just like you said. And it was like the
first brit is too, So I had to go with
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the ones, twos, and threes. First time I was in
the one huddle like just didn't know what he was
talking about. And then we came back for that like
two or three o'clock practice in the dead of heat,
another two hour practice, all me absolutely brutal.
Speaker 2 (46:39):
Come get this work.
Speaker 1 (46:42):
Speaking of Shaki, who's in your tight end Rushmore?
Speaker 2 (46:45):
If there was to be a tight End Rushmore, my
Titan Rushmore, your tight end Rushmore.
Speaker 3 (46:50):
As far as like for my career or like complete like.
Speaker 2 (46:53):
Complete, however you want to take that.
Speaker 3 (46:55):
I mean, I'm gonna say on who it influenced my
career the most. It was like the people had true
influence on my career. Obviously Jimmie Shockey, you know, I
mean I was his rookie, and then it would I
would definitely say Ben Watson. Ben Watson was a big
part of that. You know, just kind of how he was,
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you know, how kind of his approach to the game,
and and and just how he operated. And then I was,
you know, obviously blessed enough to play with Mercedes Lewis.
You know, he's he's his hands like it's it's insane
what he's doing. And you know, I don't think he
gets even enough credit for it. It's like when years
it was eighteen or something disgusting, I don't know, something
(47:39):
crazy crazy. And he's in the I mean he's in
the trenches. You know, he's lost putting hands on them.
He's not really a receiver tight end. The more East no, no,
and and uh, it's I mean it's just like unbelievable
to see. I mean truly truly unbelievable to see. Man.
You know, those are the guys that kind of had
the biggest influence on my career. Obviously, I ob would
(48:03):
say Dave Thomas. A lot of people don't know who
he is, but he's the one who actually taught me
the like.
Speaker 2 (48:07):
Mental University of Texas.
Speaker 3 (48:10):
Yeah, won a national championship, won a Super Bowl, but
he's the one who taught me the mental aspect of
the game, as far as understanding coverage, understanding all these things.
And then Shaky taught me the attitude. You know. I
remember something happened. There was like a drop in practice,
and Shaky ran up to me and he said some
other words. I'm not gonna say the podcast, but he
basically boiled it down to you're from the U, and
(48:33):
we don't walk around and do it like that. He said,
we hold ourselves to a higher standard. And from that
day on, yes, sir, oh yeah, no, no, no, I just cared.
Oh yeah, I carried myself like I was untouchable. And
sure enough, I think it translated to the field.
Speaker 2 (48:50):
Yeah, absolutely, Okay, we'll take that.
Speaker 1 (48:53):
I appreciate you tapping in, you know, mister pro bowler,
mister allpro, mister sixty thousand freaking feet in the air,
flying planes, helicopters now wanting to roll across the ocean's
nautical miles being added on.
Speaker 2 (49:07):
To the experiences.
Speaker 1 (49:08):
I appreciate you so much, not only for the tight
end that you are, but just like the overall phenomenal
person that you are and and everything that you know
that you've done over your career does it will probably
never get overlooked because you're a Saints Hall of Famer.
You know, your your character has spoken so much volumes
by even coming back, and if this is it finishing
your career with the Saints, you know, it's always black
(49:30):
and gold forever.
Speaker 2 (49:31):
But just it's I'm a Jimmy Graham fan, you know.
Just I'm a big Jimmy g guy.
Speaker 3 (49:35):
Uh.
Speaker 1 (49:36):
And it's not Garoppolo, It's Jimmy Graham. It's him, him,
Jimmy Graham. If you will, you know, so, I appreciate
you tapping out, tapping in with me off the Edge podcast.
Speaker 2 (49:54):
So there you have it. It's a round. I just
want to say a huge thank you to all my
awesome listeners for rocking with me.
Speaker 1 (50:00):
I've got a whole locker room full of my favorite
interviews from season.
Speaker 2 (50:03):
One coming your way. But before I go, you know,
the drill, come on.
Speaker 1 (50:06):
Now, make sure to drop us a five star rating
or review and hit that follow up button on Apple Podcasts,
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Speaker 2 (50:18):
Till next time, I'm out.
What's up people, it's your boy, Camjay back with another
episode of Off the Edge with Cam Jordan. Now as
we gear it for another exciting season, I wanted to
reflect on some of the incredible guests I had the
pleasure of sitting down with last season. But hey, don't worry, though,
I got you new episodes coming your way real soon. Relax,
I got you. But in the meantime, in between time,
(00:25):
let's rewind and play back some of my favorite interviews
from season one. This week, I'll bring you the most
interesting man in NFL. That's right, A man who really
doesn't need introduction, but I'm given one anyways, A.
Speaker 2 (00:37):
Man whose passport requires no photograph.
Speaker 1 (00:39):
Sharks have a week dedicated to him, and he can
speak French in Russian, Ladies and gentlemen, I present to
you my former teammate, Jimmy Graham aka Hemy Graham. Hey,
(01:00):
I've got here on Off the Edge with my with
my own podcast, but I feel like it's not my
own today because I get to bring in one of
my one of my guys I looked up to when
I got to the league. You know, probably literally and
you know, figuratively speaking saying in at six nine or
whatever you want to you want to call yourself. But
you know, a teammate when I first got to the
Saints and I watched him leave, go to Seattle, become
(01:21):
the highest paid tight end, and then he went you know,
other places and came back to the Saints past year
where he was my teammate. Uh, to finish off, you know,
maybe finish off.
Speaker 2 (01:31):
We'll get to it.
Speaker 1 (01:32):
On such a phenomenal career, thirteen years in the NFL.
Could we could fight for fourteen? But it is what
it is. You know, five time Pro bowler, two time
All Pro, a man, a man who sued the NFL.
You know, a man he knows no bounds. Jimmy Griham,
my dog, my tight end. You know, my brother, I
appreciate you hopping on the pod.
Speaker 3 (01:52):
You know, I know we've been talking about it for
a long time, man, but it's cool to see. You know, like,
how how far you have come since those since the
maker days of your rookie year.
Speaker 2 (02:01):
You know, man, just think about twenty eleven.
Speaker 1 (02:04):
If I would have had a podcast in twenty eleven,
I would have lost my job.
Speaker 2 (02:07):
What like, would have got kicked out?
Speaker 3 (02:11):
I mean, I think I think half of us would
have been probably you know, I mean, I mean, honestly,
it's such a different era. You know, this this whole
podcast era has done so much to expose not exposed,
but to introduce like fans into so many players interests,
so many players' lives, and you know, I just think
it's it's it's something that's that's really elevated the game
(02:33):
for for sure.
Speaker 2 (02:34):
Man.
Speaker 1 (02:35):
It's like it's like you you look over and Michael
Parsons has a pod. You know, it used to be
like guys would have to retire first, you know, Marcus Spears,
the Ryan Clarks like, you know, and you had to
have like some accolades and some like you can't just
be anybody, you know. It tookate like Nate Burson had
to go to Good Morning Football first and then go
somewhere else and it goes and he played like eleven
years in the league, like he had to work his
(02:56):
way up and now he's that guy. But you know,
now again, so now you got guys that like, you know,
Max Crosby has a podcast, Von Miller has you know,
has a pod. It's all these guys across the league
that you're getting that in depth feel and you know,
me and Mark used to have one, and now it's
just me. It's just like, just like my teammates do Bro,
they leave me and I wish them better, and he's
(03:17):
on TV killing the college scene and I'm just holding
down a little pod.
Speaker 3 (03:21):
Yeah, but you'll be doing the same thing whenever you retired. Man,
you got you got a big future, as we all know,
as we all know, hey that.
Speaker 1 (03:29):
Is that is to be seen. But while we're here
in the NFL, we're gonna have a great time, no doubt.
We're the only two of the sort of like we
were the consecutive years after the New Orleans Saint Super Bowl.
So like, I just feel like we're old enough to
remember them having a Super Bowl, but not old enough
participate and just like wanting to be part of that.
Speaker 3 (03:47):
Yeah, I mean, I mean, if you go back, you
know what I mean. I can go back to my
rookie year and you know, come, I remember the first
time I was in then the ones huddle with Drew Brees.
It was Drew Brees, Marcus Colston, Lance Moore, Bush, Jeremy
Shockey and the best old line in all the football.
And he rattled off this play and I didn't know
(04:07):
what he was talking about. I mean, he said it
so quick, he said it probably ten times Scots in
Chase Daniels. Uh so. So I just basically just stayed
there and stared at him, and he said, Hey, just
just run an out round. Thanks, you know, I mean,
it was it was to sit in that huddle with
all those stars, you know, I mean with all I mean,
Jeremy Shockey was a rock star, Reggie Bush, one of
(04:28):
the most famous guys in the NFL, obviously Drew Brees,
you know, the Saint and you know, to sit there
and be a part of that after a year before
being on a basketball court. Man, there was there was
no like every time I ever think or here's somebody say, oh,
life's the simulation, Well that was my simulation moment for sure. Man.
(04:51):
You know, obviously all of a sudden, sitting there and uh,
you know, basically be an in the video game. It's crazy. Man.
Speaker 1 (04:58):
For those that don't know, Jimmy went to the U
at the very end where maybe they weren't you anymore,
but like, you know, it is what it played. Played
basketball there at least at least we know that was
good basketball, you know, football.
Speaker 3 (05:10):
Listen, listen, we still had a great team. Obviously when
I came in, there was Devin Hester, Greg Olsen was
still there, you know. I mean we still had guys.
We just you know, kind of weren't figuring out kind
of the way to win. And then you know, obviously
some things haven't really rolled our way within the last
last while.
Speaker 1 (05:28):
But I hear you, but at least, like you guys
still fight to be good. Like you know, what was
that two thousand and nine, two thousand and ten bowl whatever?
That was col beats University of Miami in a bowl game,
But like that was that.
Speaker 2 (05:41):
Was the end of COW.
Speaker 3 (05:43):
I mean, that was the last thing you guys ever
did you know, you know? Unfortunately, and now I actually
I love our current coach. I think he's doing great
things there and you know, obviously being able to be
back here in Miami, get back involved with the program,
I might be in a couple of board seats and uh, you.
Speaker 2 (05:59):
Know watching the nil money roll out.
Speaker 3 (06:03):
Yeah, I gotta get that. And honestly, the biggest thing
in University of Miami is a stadium. You know, just
playing at Dolphin Stadium just doesn't have to feel like
the Orange Bowl does, and you know, they really need
somebody who can raise money and push towards maybe putting
a like a small Tyson stadium in this place called
Tropical Park down in the Gables. I mean, it'd be
a hot sticket in Miami, and obviously the city would
be able to use that, and we also be able
(06:25):
to throw you know, the state championships there and just
just do all kinds of things that kind of the
Orange Bowl was. We really need that back for the university.
Speaker 2 (06:34):
Mm hmm, that happens.
Speaker 1 (06:37):
Let me know, so I can buy some land out
there before them.
Speaker 3 (06:42):
Definitely, I'll definitely let you know.
Speaker 2 (06:44):
Perfect.
Speaker 1 (06:45):
You've been such a great teammate this whole especially like
my whole career.
Speaker 2 (06:49):
You've been my guy.
Speaker 1 (06:50):
But like this year, I mean, I'm not gonna lie you.
I wanted so much more for you this year than
you know, what was it? What was the what was
the astronomical rate? It was like six are six targets,
four touchdowns, Jimmy Braham And I'm like, so, why you're
you're on the sidelines hyped up. I'm on the sidelines
hyped up. But the fact that that makes you that
much more like better of a teammate. In my eyes
(07:11):
is this year is like you were never down, bro,
Like you were consistently like giving juice to everybody. You
on the sidelines, bro, just like amped up holds out
and I'm like the man.
Speaker 3 (07:21):
You know, Man, with me, it's all about winning, man,
That's all I care about. And you know, kind of
one of the number one things I want to do.
And the only reason that I decided not to retire
and come back to OLES was I wanted to mend
a bunch of those fences that you know that had
kind of gotten burned after I got traded and obviously
after I see the NFL. But but for me, man,
(07:42):
there's there's there's nothing better, or in my opinion, I
remember how close everyone was when they got to that championship,
and then that's all I've ever yearned from my TAR
career is that opportunity to go with my brothers and
make that martial to the super Bowl. So you know,
for me, you know what I mean, even if I'm
not up or if the opportunity is not mine one,
I know I'll be ready for it because you know,
we always ready to eat, you know what I'm saying,
(08:04):
Like if it's not. It's not a question of if
we will be ready. If we will and we already
know what's gonna happen when those opportunities come. But uh,
you know, man, I was, I was. I knew I
was there also to help and uh, you know, I
kind of as a mentor for a lot of the
younger guys. And then obviously my time with Juwan was
incredible this year, you know, just especially when he finished
(08:26):
the season. I'd love to see it. And he puts
in the work, so you know what I mean. I
know my role now is a little different, obviously being
thirty seven years old. But man, I'm but you know,
I'm always be a competitor. Man I think I think
no matter who it is or or where it is,
if you get in the rezone, man, uh you know
in the big unit's always ready.
Speaker 1 (08:44):
Always ready. It turned up this year you snagged one
of them things. It was like it was too easy,
Like over the Top didn't even with the Cuddy. It
was in the red zone. Over the Top must need
like third down and like twelve or something like that.
Speaker 2 (08:57):
And this is why you say that used to call
car can't call carot More like Jimmy t.
Speaker 1 (09:05):
Next next years you scored touchdown and was like what
you came up to the sideline, was like, I'm.
Speaker 2 (09:10):
Him, I was him, I've been him. I am And
I was like.
Speaker 3 (09:18):
Yeah, you know, man, it's just like obviously I love
the game and that's what I'm going to miss the
most is kind of that just the height with your teammates. Man,
there's there is nothing like that.
Speaker 1 (09:27):
So that tweet all love whatever whatever you say, bro.
And I looked at I was like, oh, he just
met like scenes over.
Speaker 3 (09:34):
Yeah. I mean, I mean nobody said me up, you know.
I mean obviously you know I was, I was an
active for a couple of games and whatnot, So you know,
I don't I don't know how people feel about me.
I mean I know that I know that I can
still run, I can still get open. You know, I'm
still bigg.
Speaker 2 (09:51):
So giving out work at practice.
Speaker 3 (09:54):
Yeah yeah, I mean I was like first coming in
and not playing for a year, I knew the big
question was like can this guy even move? You know,
I mean it wasn't sky playing a decade ago, but
with all the biking, I do, you know, I'm kind
of crazy when it comes to diet and everything. Man,
I already knew it. I already knew like, once my
hamstrings get used to the cutting that I was, wouldna
(10:15):
still be able to kill. And so you know, it
was just nice to be able to prove it kind
of a basis, especially in practice.
Speaker 2 (10:21):
Fact, I mean, that's just it.
Speaker 1 (10:23):
You might have like after taking a year off, there
might have been a cheat code, honestly, like let your
body heal like an off season. It takes you three
and a half four months to be like I'm good again.
Speaker 3 (10:36):
I mean one hundred percent. I mean really, So if
you can remember how kind of things went kind of
in the middle of my career, I get traded with
the me brace. Yes, I mean I get traded for
a first round pick. I have some life stuff that
went down the off season, and then Week ten, the
highest paid to ever live, I completely blow my knee up,
(10:56):
and Victor Cruz called me and he said, hey, man,
this one's impossible. You know, we had the same injury.
And I'm looking at my career and you know, I'm
trying to make it, you know, a Hall of Fame career,
and I'm looking at it like I might even play
another snap. So to sit there and be on crutches,
not way bearing for ten ten eleven weeks. I had
to learn how to walk, learn how to jog. And
(11:18):
in that season, my patello actually wasn't healed completely. But
as you know, we gotta play, gotta need gotta met,
gotta gotta be an FDL can miss games. So I
played the whole season with incomplete batilla, end up making
the Pro Bowl. But basically every every season after that,
I was having like minor surgeries just clean up some stuff,
(11:41):
just because I really wasn't able to let my knee
completely heal because the window and the off season is
just so small, so I was just kind of always
building up for the season. And then this degradation of
my quad and my knee what happened during the season.
So taking a year off for me, man, it changed everything.
Like this is I mean my knee right now, it's
(12:01):
my knees are strong they've ever been. And it was
from that year. And then obviously the bike, you know.
Speaker 1 (12:07):
Right, bike, Yeah, and you walked through the building, You're like,
you're like, bro, He's like, yeah, man, I just a
car hit me while I was on my bike, and
I made sure the car was Okay, the.
Speaker 2 (12:18):
Hell you on, Jimmy fat Well?
Speaker 3 (12:21):
No, No, I mean well, obviously I lost a little
bit of way, so I was wondering. So once I
got hit out of that car and just ate it,
I was like, man, I probably still do this football thing.
Speaker 2 (12:28):
Can we just talk about this like this was an
off season?
Speaker 1 (12:30):
This is like, hey, I took you took a year off,
but like I don't know if I'm coming back to football.
Speaker 2 (12:34):
So you're biking down and where was it? Miami?
Speaker 3 (12:37):
Yeah, yes, I'm fucking done in Miami, and I'm I'm
trying to prepare because I got some hundred mile races
uh to head to, and then I ended up going
to I knew I was going to Italy to ride
across Tuscany, which is like three hundred miles, so I
was just training. I was on my way back to
the boat and I had left the Pelton on so
it was kind of by myself. And by a week earlier,
there was just like there's a there's a light where
(12:59):
there's kind of like a quick left turn, and every
day I used to go about it, I was like, man,
if somebody doesn't see me here, there's something dangerous, but
you know, I kind of kept alert. And then literally
a week later, I'm just going on. I'm like hitting
like twenty twenty five, and I look and I'm like,
does this guy see me? And I'm like, I don't know,
and he just yanks into me, and I mean that's
really all I could do is just kind of just
kind of brace for it. He hits me, I go
(13:23):
flying the bike. It was a it was a Mercedes Suv.
It hit me and then the whole bike ricocheted on
my right leg and I go flying through the air
land on my back. My helmet like splits open. I
think I was wearing helmet. Obviously, if a bike, always
wearing helmet. Never never think you don't need a helmet.
And so at first I thought, I like, at first,
(13:43):
I honestly thought that I broke my femur with the bike.
The bike was completely shadowed. It shattered in like six places.
Everything was tore up.
Speaker 2 (13:52):
But I know the street bikes is light and built
for speed.
Speaker 3 (13:56):
Yeah. Yeah, and the bike wasn't cheap, so bike with
it it was like a twenty thousand bike. But so
we got to replace. We got to crash replacement Specialized
shout out. I appreciate it, but you know, I ended
up getting stitches at the hospital. But you know, I
was on a bike two days later, you know, and
(14:17):
everything was fine. Man, always good.
Speaker 2 (14:19):
What type of bike is it?
Speaker 1 (14:20):
Because now I want to know because like I've got
an orbea and I thought my Orbit was is a
beautiful bike?
Speaker 2 (14:25):
And I was like, yeah, many thousand dollars bike.
Speaker 1 (14:27):
I was like, I'm top of the line, Like I
had to work out to deal with them because I
was like I'm not oh.
Speaker 3 (14:32):
No, no, no, they're pretty. And you got to think about
also the components. So my old bike was an SL
seven s Work Specialized, but my new replacement was a Slight,
which is kind of their newer update, which is beyond better,
like in every way. The problem with the SL seven
for me, because I waste so much, is every time
I would get up the sprint, like I have a
(14:52):
my max wattage is two thousands. So when I go
to sprint, I could feel the bike like flexing beneath me,
like nasty, like it just didn't interesting, all right. And
then once I now with the SLA, it's more, it's
got more stiffness, it's more Arrow. It's like everything you want.
And then my other bike, my climbing bike is a
(15:12):
is a Pinarello Dogma and that was the most expensive one.
Speaker 1 (15:15):
Bro, you have a climbing bike, see this, I'm you know,
I'm in Arizona, so I don't have heels, bro.
Speaker 3 (15:21):
Yeah. Yeah, So so basically in Miami, I have an
arrow bike, which is really my Sol eight now, which
is on a one by on the front, so I
got a big chain ring on the front because we're
just on flats, so I can just rip and and
really the object the object of that, because you're pedlo
constant for three hours, you're behind people, you're in a peloton,
(15:43):
you're trying to do these sprints. But a climber needs
to be lighter and also needs a completely different gearing
on the back because being this big, you're going to
be like when I'm up there in North Carolina or
I go to Colorado, or I go to Europe, and bikes.
Speaker 1 (15:58):
Are no jokes. I was I told you about that.
I was in I was in Bilbao and I did
I died. I died it three times. I felt embarrassed.
Speaker 2 (16:05):
I was like no, I was like, Bro, I.
Speaker 1 (16:06):
Go fifteen twenty twenty five miles in a day, like
off just or whatever. He's like, yeah, we're gonna go
for a thirteen click and I was like, thirteen clicks.
I was like, that's like six miles, seven miles.
Speaker 2 (16:14):
Whatever that is.
Speaker 1 (16:15):
It's like I got that, bro, I had about three times,
just like.
Speaker 3 (16:19):
Oh yeah, no, no, it's the biking is the hardest,
one of the most competitive things I ever done in
my entire life. What these guys in the Twitter Frances
are doing is I mean, it's there. They're basically killing
themselves every day through through a twenty one day period.
Most of those guys have like rabdough. They're completely wasted.
They lose all this. I mean, they're doing all they
(16:41):
can just to hold on. But when you're in the mountains, man,
especially guys our size, Oh, it's so much work. The
amount of watch it so the mountains is wats per kilo.
That's how fast you know you can go off mountains
And obviously we weigh way too much again a bike
doing thing like that, So we're working ten times hard
than anybody that's morning ten times man.
Speaker 1 (17:00):
Like I see the caps going, I'm like, bro, I'm
pumping I'm killing this, like I'm killing this right now.
Speaker 2 (17:05):
I'm not.
Speaker 1 (17:06):
Oh yeah, you take you take off this.
Speaker 2 (17:25):
You know, the car takes you out.
Speaker 1 (17:26):
You take out the car, You hit the ground, bro,
you splits, you get up, you shake it.
Speaker 2 (17:32):
Off, and that makes you be like, all right, I'm back.
Think I'm ready for football.
Speaker 3 (17:37):
I think I can do this. But also because like
all the people I do and train with on a bike,
I kept telling everybody just how great my knee felt,
you know, I was like, man, I feel unbelievable. And
plus I was I remember like I did like a
like a weak loading period before before I went down
or just so I was like, because I hadn't ran
(17:57):
or cut since twenty twenty one, I had done anything.
I seen a ball in there. I mean, I didn't
do anything. I just showed up. So when I was running,
I felt bouncy like I used to, you know, like
back before the knee happened. I was like, man, I
feel like I could do a backflip right now. And
so when I went down there, you know, obviously, man,
I still have the speed, still still could jump, and
I can honestly say it was because of the bike
(18:19):
and what it did for my name one hundred.
Speaker 2 (18:21):
Bro.
Speaker 3 (18:21):
You cat.
Speaker 1 (18:21):
You came into what was that off season whatever that was.
You were like, you came to the building. I was like, yeah,
you're not gonna text me and.
Speaker 2 (18:28):
Let me know you coming back. I was like, I
was like, you want some jar like you want some
Jarry Jamonsko. I was like, what you want? You're like, nah, Bro,
I'm running this. He was like, I think I got
to run a forty at like eight.
Speaker 1 (18:41):
He's like, now, I'm just gonna go run some Browns
whatever it is, or you can't do to practice the
next day, bro, I was like, and Jimmy.
Speaker 2 (18:49):
Matthews walked up to you. You're like, You're like, oh,
you coached him, big.
Speaker 3 (18:51):
Dog like you No, I'm out here. I'm out here
just just with you. It's funny to the you know Matthews, man,
we we have battled so many times on separate teams.
You know. I remember when I came in his rookie year.
He was talking all this cash in the media before
(19:14):
we played, and Sean Payton was all over me about it.
Sean Payton puts some like dB on me every down
and practice one on one and was like the honey
Badgers gonna be all over you, honey budget and and
so going to that game, I mean I was ready
to die. I was like, I'm a murderous dude. We
ended up I ended up doing pretty well at that game,
(19:35):
but we we ended up meeting up a couple of
times in Seattle, man and just have battles when he
was in Arizona. Man, I have so much respect for
him and just how he handles his business.
Speaker 2 (19:43):
And because he comes up to here him Yeah.
Speaker 3 (19:46):
Dude, is it's like unbelievable how productive he's been and
how special he is, you know, I mean, especially at
his size or hype. You know, it's just like unreal.
His just his like his his intelligence of the game,
his like nose for the ball just beyond special.
Speaker 1 (20:01):
Crazy crazy, Like I always just has a knack to
be where it's at. I've never had a I've never
got a chance to ask you out of you know,
you've you've seen what Jay Cutler, Aaron Rodgers, of course,
Drew Brees.
Speaker 2 (20:13):
You know, Uh you have Russ. Do you have a
favorite quarterback?
Speaker 3 (20:20):
Man? I? You know, I have my favorites in different ways,
you know what I mean, Like like like I break
things down on it. Just just how they are as
a player, you know, and and and all three of
them are completely different by human beings basically just how
they operate even on the field. Obviously, me and Drew
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the connection, I don't think there was ever anything better,
you know, we uh, you know, I think now when
you see guys like Travis, you know, and Sam Fran
you know, it's like that was also based on a
lot that me and Drew were able to do. Obviously
alongside of Gronk and Brady. You know, when me and
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Drew together for those five years, the numbers we put
up and where we're able to do, it's really just
the connection was so special. Man, he knew exactly what
I was doing and I knew what he was doing.
It was almost like we could read other thoughts. And
then obviously went out of Seattle, they were more of
a run team, so you know, for me, they're like, hey,
I know, you're used to getting a hundred balls the season,
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but if you get sixty here, you're gonna break every record.
I mean, I think I still have other records, but
it's it still was only like sixty. And they were right,
it was, you know, I mean it was different because
we just ran the ball so much and a lot
of play action, a lot of scrambling. But with Russ,
I mean just kind of how we up. Like this dude,
he was like never down, like ever about anything, you know.
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So we'd be down by three touchdownds, he said, all right,
one more we're gonna like he's always saying, and so
like it makes you believe it, you know. And and
there was times when we came back and when you know,
other times we would have just packed it up and
went to the next game. But man, he was he
was always a positive about everything. And then and then
Aaron when it comes, I don't think I've ever seen
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anybody throw the ball in Aaron Rogers. No. You know,
my time there wasn't the greatest. Obviously, timing sucked, you know.
My first year, Mike McCarthy gets fired. That was an
absolute mess. And then the second year, you know, mattla
Flour comes in with a new offense, doesn't really give
Aaron any power to do what he wants. So we
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made an MC championship, but our offense wasn't great because
basically he wouldn't let Aaron, you know, actually change the
right play and do these certain things. But when it
comes to tossing the rock, man, I don't I don't
think live I've ever seen anybody throw the ball like
he does ever. Just it's just everything that he doesn't do.
I mean, it's it's like our work. Like the way
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that comes out of his wrists and the way he
flips it. It's just stupid. Like we're doing like drills,
like like resilent drills. No, no, no, like two minutes and
we have like five seconds left. He moving on like
the logo, and this dude would just scramble around a
little bit. He'd be looking over here and he would
throw the ball to the right and now looking at
the receiver one on one on the right side to
do that like it's just and the ball was just
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slinging right to him. It's just crazy. I mean his arm,
his arm, yeah, yeah, his arm by part the best service.
Speaker 2 (23:19):
I mean, you know they don't want to just take
credit for that. You know, he'll probably call.
Speaker 1 (23:23):
He'll probably claim is his junior collegeut out out in California,
But bears guy, you know, University of California.
Speaker 3 (23:29):
But you too, who else right now? Is is you know,
at the top of the game, like you guys are,
somebody would.
Speaker 1 (23:39):
Say, like, you know, there's an NC Championship game coming up,
and you know, I think Detroit Lions are doing really
really well, coached really.
Speaker 2 (23:45):
Well by just a myriad of great coaches.
Speaker 1 (23:49):
But you would say the face of that would be
a Colbert, you know, good old Jared Goff, the last Yeah. Yeah,
the last first rounder to be drafted of the University
of California bird number one.
Speaker 3 (24:01):
Yeah, yeah, man, I'm man, I'm so happy for him. Man,
I'm so happy for him. Man, him and and the
head coach that whole city deserves it.
Speaker 2 (24:09):
Man, did you play with Dan? You didn't play?
Speaker 3 (24:13):
No? Come on, bro, come on, I'm saying no, but no. No.
Dan was almost my coach because, uh, the year right
before I got traded, they had fired my tight end
coach and they brought him in, so I was supposed
to be talking to him, and then I got traded.
So yeah, ob Seattle, you.
Speaker 2 (24:33):
Sue the NFL. Who do you?
Speaker 3 (24:34):
Who? Do you know?
Speaker 2 (24:35):
Sues the NFL and then sort of wins.
Speaker 1 (24:39):
Like didn't went to you like you wanted to be
paid ribrace money, but you know, suit him because you
were out in the slot like seventy percent of the
time versus what your tight end situation was. But sort
of wins and then you know, becomes the highest paid
tight end resets the whole market the first tight end.
Speaker 3 (24:55):
I re said it twice. But what was interesting, What
was interesting was, I mean, none of that should ever
really happened, you know what I'm saying, Like they never
even offered me a contract to start with. You know,
they said that. My agent told me, hey, they're going.
Speaker 2 (25:10):
To start it.
Speaker 3 (25:11):
No now now now you're welcome. You're welcome. Now. They
pay guys who deserve it early right back then they
were playing harble so you know, like guys, you know,
guys would basically be franchise school of pre agency or
they would play horrible, or you have to sign something
that wasn't really where your market was. But you know,
(25:34):
basically they said, well, the franchise SAG is so cheap
that we're not going to offer you like a contract.
We're going to franchise you twice that you'd be thirty,
we'll get rid of you. Right when they said that,
I was like, all right, like there's no way that's happening,
especially well, especially the way I played. The way I played,
I was bound to get hurt, like it wasn't it
wasn't a chance of if it was win and how
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bad because you know that was the old school over
the middle. All we ran was uh basically, I'll go
I'll go special, and I was getting tattooed across the middle.
So you know, I mean I had to find guarantee money.
Speaker 1 (26:10):
So I had to and you got it though, you
(26:30):
being you being over Seattle for for extended period of
time and then now Pete Carroll, you know, retiring, did
that have any impact on you?
Speaker 2 (26:38):
Like what was what was Pete Carroll's legacy?
Speaker 3 (26:40):
Like, man, I had a special relationship with Pete. Obviously
they were a big part of that trade. Uh Pe
was phenomenal with me as far as like letting me
fly into work. You know, he wasn't tripping about the
planes and the cars and all the extracurricular stuff.
Speaker 2 (26:56):
When you say, when you say flying the work, what
you're talking about.
Speaker 3 (27:00):
Uh So my first week on a job, John Northstrom,
who used to own the team, he sold it to
Paul Allen, but he was still very close because you know,
his friend owned it. So and so he used to
come into work all the time. So he so he
comes in. He's like, hey, my name is John Northstone.
I us still on the team. I heard you're a
pilot and I was like yeah. He's like, have you
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do you have your set your seaplane license? I said no,
but I've been I've been thinking about getting that. Jack Brown.
He's like, oh, I flew in. Uh, if you want
to go out and see my seatplane. I was like yeah.
So we walk out to the dock and literally right
on the bottom of Lake Washington. He had this thing
called a beaver On Anthips, which is like this old
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school warplane that Canada was built in Canada. A bunch
of went to Vietnam and uh. So we got this
thing and we went flying over the city man and uh.
A week later I went and got my seaplane license,
and then a couple of months later I bought one
and restored it. So I bought one that fought in
Vietnam and so I had to fully rebuild. So the
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next year, when the plane was ready, like three times
a week, I used to fly into work. So I
looked at the top of Lake Washington. It's like a
forty five minute drive. It's kind of far, but it
was a five minute flight. So I used to just
take off sometime I would like live stream it and
then I would just land maybe five minutes and I
get out, tied up and go to the go to practice. Yeah.
(28:29):
It was nice.
Speaker 1 (28:30):
It was and it like connected to the facility and
connected like the back of the facility or like yeah,
oh yeah, like like like you fly from the crib,
So you drive to your plane from your house, which
is a couple minutes, and then you fly down.
Speaker 3 (28:42):
Yeah. Yeah, I literally fly down the lake literally five
minutes I land. It's like you have to talk to
one of the towers at the written at the well.
There's a little one down there. There's a little one
that they make, I think one of the one of
the boatings they make down there, and you just basically
you get on the radio. Then I just literally pull
up to the dock. I jump out tied to the
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little floating duck and like I had my little like
parking space number like Jimmy Graham's yeah, and then you
like go through and that connects right to the players
parking mom and so he just walked up. So people
would like like coaches would watch me fly into the
d Yeah. It was kind of weird, Jimmy, you don't see.
(29:25):
But it was also cool because that's that's when I
started doing the wounded warrior stuff. So we used to
bring in, uh sometimes on either Monday or Tuesday, we'd
bring in a wounded warrior and we give him like
a full tour the facility. We gear him down with
e K we'd give him a jersey, and then I
would take them on the dock and I would fly
them and I would actually teach them how to fly.
(29:47):
So we'd be over like Washington, I'd be there wooded
warrior flying and then we go back, I drop them
off and go home. I mean it was it was
a pretty cool experience for sure.
Speaker 1 (29:54):
So so he didn't come down on you like the
Cowboys came down on our dog Brandon Cooks, because.
Speaker 2 (30:00):
To you know what, Dak and Mike, Yeah, yeah, it
was like you can't do that.
Speaker 1 (30:04):
We didn't even hear, but like you you doing that
was like hey man, you guys, you know you.
Speaker 2 (30:09):
Guys flew before I got you. Didn't take you on
a plane.
Speaker 3 (30:13):
Yeah. Well, the Saints when I was young tried some
of that That's that's why I was pretty quiet, Like
I didn't have Instagram, so like way later than most people.
And one of it because I was, you know, I'm
kind of private, but I was definitely being private about
the flying thing because I knew it was going to
be an issue. So basically I had like four licenses,
four or five licenses by the time they found out,
(30:33):
and I already owned two planes. So because they were like, hey,
we want like, you can't be in anything that isn't
a jet that doesn't have two engines or a co pilot.
And I'm like, well, already got an airbatic plane, bro,
so that's not happening. And that's it. That was really
the end of it, you know what I mean. I
told them, like an airbac clane, I'll wear a parachute.
(30:54):
But that's about it. I mean. And then now you
know I'm a commercial multi single. You know, I've got
everything now to where I'm beyond proficient and basically everything
that fly or anything. And but I've taken a lot
of teammates.
Speaker 1 (31:08):
I mean, the coolest flight moment you say, I'm gonna say,
I'm gonna say Blue Angels. When I saw what I
was like, yeah, flew with the Blue Angels, like yeah, door.
Speaker 3 (31:17):
Out of here, I would say last year in June.
So I'm the honorary commander of the Homestead Air Force
Base down here in Miami, which is also the home
to our world renown MAKOS, which is our F sixteen
fighter squadron. They've been deployed in various things over many years.
(31:38):
Right now, some of them are working as presidential detail
up in Washington.
Speaker 2 (31:45):
Classify get my canceled.
Speaker 3 (31:47):
No no, no, no, no, it's you could look up. You
can look all that up online. But we so so
in June they ended up having a D Model sixteen.
So I got to fly with one of my good
friends from the macOS and it was incredible. You know,
the day or the week before, I had to go
(32:08):
through all the like survival stuff and like in case
you get in the water, and all the cockpit stuff
and obviously it had a full live ejection seat and
all this, you know, the oxygen system. But you know,
to be able to take that down south, we're right
over the keys Key westward kind of out out over
the water. We had between the ground and sixty thousand
(32:29):
feet and man sixty sixty thousand. Yeah, and to be
able oh yeah, crazy work, oh yeah, it's in. And
to be able to go that fast, you know, do
the various things that we did and the flybys that
we did was just magical. Man. It was everything that
I was.
Speaker 2 (32:48):
In perspective, like a commercial flight.
Speaker 1 (32:50):
You get on you know, Delta Southwest United flying, you're
going with ten thousand, ten thousand, be near?
Speaker 2 (32:56):
Are you in that eye?
Speaker 3 (32:57):
Yeah, you're between the thirties, so you're thirty thirty five thousand.
Those are mostly where those fly. All the bigger jets,
like all the private jets still fly like higher forties
and then in the fifties.
Speaker 2 (33:08):
But and you're on the sixties.
Speaker 3 (33:10):
Yeah, well we're well they had a block out that
amount of space for all the maneuvers that were doing,
and so we would have enough to be able to
climb and do some of these awesome, interesting military maneuvers
that that's really cool. That's crazy, really cool.
Speaker 1 (33:26):
All right, So now I almost say football is out
the way, but it's sort of it's.
Speaker 2 (33:31):
Only a side, right, it's only a side.
Speaker 1 (33:33):
You're not saying full retirement, but you possibly could come
back anyway. So if this is retirement, during the season
you talked about rowing across the world or whatever the
hell that was. Are you still talking about trying to
sail across the world or continent to continent?
Speaker 2 (33:50):
No, is that a thing?
Speaker 3 (33:52):
Yes, So there's been an update, the most recent update,
and we're all in on this thing now. So apparently
someone had read that I was trying to sail around
the world, and so they ended up reaching out and
asked me if I would think about trying to break
a world record. But knownst to me earlier last year
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one of my very close friends, he's been a CEO
for twenty three years. He just retired. He's working private
equity now. And I told him at a pub at
his graduation because he also got his NBA from Cambridge.
I told him, hey, because he'd been asked me to
do this for eight years, and I said, okay, we're
(34:38):
getting a little banged up. And I said, He's like,
you're the only person that will do this with me,
So will you do what? I think it'd be incredible
experience for us, both very challenging and great opportunity. So
the person that reached out to us was on the
national the US National Open Ocean Rowing team, and so
now we are we have a meeting in two weeks altogether,
(35:01):
and all the this is all the beginning stages of
what we're going to do an attempt, but we're going
to attempt in twenty twenty five to set a world
record by rowing across an ocean with a four person team.
And it's a four person mixed team.
Speaker 2 (35:16):
So the next team being men and women.
Speaker 3 (35:20):
Yes, it was going to be that, but now there's
that we're actually taking one of the shorter routes to
start with, and then the next we're probably gonna race.
So the first route that we just decided basically a
week ago, and our first training camp is gonna be
in two weeks because one it's gonna be hilarious because
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my boy rode in college. The other guy who was
actually married to to to the girl we're doing it with, uh,
well she's got a gold medal for the open ocean
rowing and the guy is actually two lanes rowing coach.
So it's so yeah, yes, So I'm gonna be back
in New Orleans and we're gonna meet about where some
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of these charitable contributions are going to go to, which
are probably gonna be young kids in the New Orleans
area to expose them to certain things. But we're all
going to it looks like attempt to row across the
Arctic Ocean and that's going to be twenty twenty five.
Now you know, I'm a Miami boy, so you know
(36:26):
how cold. Yeah, well it's gonna be in the summer.
It's like twenty four hour day life. But obviously it's
very dangerous. And then after that we plan to possibly
row across the Pacific Ocean. Now that's that's all of
these things are very dangerous obviously, and we're gonna have
to get a lot of certifications. Yeah, but that's what's
next for me.
Speaker 1 (36:46):
Man, is how long bro like just guesstimate, like how
long would that take to cross an ocean?
Speaker 3 (36:52):
Like, Yeah, well, it just depends on which ocean you
cross and at what time of year. But most likely
if we do it, if we do one of these
open ocean races, is we're most likely going to do
the Pacific, which it would be from California to Hawaii,
and that can take anywhere between thirty to forty some days.
And the very interesting about this is I'm going to
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film a lot of this and most likely make a
document out of it. One Jimmy biggest Jimmy, can we
just talk about this one? You have? Everybody else knows
how to row, but I've never rode before. So that's
where this is so interesting. Is it's going to be
comical because obviously I'm very competitive. My boy, he's beyond competitive.
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So it to just be us basically talking to uh,
you know, also me trying to learn how to roam.
You know, I mean, I've never sustained rowing. I've never
rode in the open ocean. I've never been on a rowboat.
All of these things are factors. But where I think
this works in my favor is one, we're chasing world
records and we're and we're doing it for a great cause.
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But two, if I can roll across, if I can
roll across the ocean sailing a big yacht, it's going
to be easy. So that's if.
Speaker 2 (38:09):
That's your motivation.
Speaker 3 (38:11):
Yeah, it's like practice for the for the solo sailing.
And that's that's kind of the way I see it.
And you know, it just really gives me something to
look forward to and you know, something that athletically I
can push myself in a new direction. You know, and
I don't have to take hits anymore. I can just
sit there and just get to work.
Speaker 1 (38:31):
What the bro Me and Mark was like, you know,
we do like these family vacation you know vacations whatever. Bro.
We were in the Caribbean on this yacht and you
know how they like dock it, like you know whatever
that is they dock it. Let's call it three four
hundred yards out from the beach right depending on where
it's at. Me and him were like, hey man, you
think you could make the other side. So we swam
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to the to the beach and we're like dog as
tired after a ten minutes swim.
Speaker 2 (38:56):
You're trying to roll, you're trying to row for thirty days.
Speaker 3 (39:00):
Can technically yeah, what's also yeah, Like, what's also interesting
about it is it pushes you in every way mentally physically.
You know, we are going to only get two hour breaks,
so you know, basically you're off for two hours, and
I think that means you don't get another time off.
So you row for six and you're off another two
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and so over a cumulative time, I think you getting
like six hours of sleep a day, maybe five, But
within your two hours, your responsibilities. You have to clean obviously,
do some it depends on what your job is as
far as tracking goes moving, obviously, you've got to get
some sleep during that period. So not only is it
challenging like that, but it's also you're dealing with a
(39:43):
lot of sleep deprivation. You're dealing with if you're doing
the Pacific, you're dealing with storms obviously and being on
a rowboat at night. So that's why I believe this
will just prepare me for the sailing. I'll be able
to use what I've learned in sailing and flying as
far as weather and tracking to go to this rowing thing.
Speaker 1 (40:01):
But but but selling, you're like sort of you're by
yourself on this right, So really it's just you tracking.
Speaker 3 (40:06):
You Yes, yeah, rowing rowing, it's literally.
Speaker 2 (40:09):
Like a team.
Speaker 1 (40:10):
And as much as I love my teammates, I couldn't
imagine being like me and you know Carl and Peyton
Turner and Malcolm Roach.
Speaker 2 (40:20):
For thirty straight days.
Speaker 3 (40:21):
Yeah, yeah, we're.
Speaker 2 (40:23):
Not catching sleep like that. Somebody, somebody's getting thrown off
the rowboat.
Speaker 3 (40:27):
Somebody. Well see this is see, this is some of
the most challenging parts of it is obviously the team
personalities matter. You know, we're gonna do a bunch of
team building activities just to make sure we're all the
right people to be on the boat. But but then,
but then, also you get super close to each other.
Obviously because there's no bathroom on this boat, there's just
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gonna be there's just gonna be a carbon fipper bucket.
Speaker 1 (40:49):
So you know, well, I didn't even think about, oh yeah,
what second, I got to take a piss rowing I'm
going way.
Speaker 2 (41:01):
It's always getting pissed on, I'm calling it now.
Speaker 3 (41:03):
Oh for sure. Well, I mean, like imagine rough Seas,
big storm. Uh, you know, it's it's this is gonna
be the hardest thing I've ever signed up for, to
be the hardest thing I've ever done, and it'll be the
most challenging. But I believe that, you know, obviously after
I get done with this, and obviously being able to
do this with uh, you know, one of my best friends,
and to share this experience with him, and to obviously
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do it for a great cause. I think there's nothing
better I could sign up for. Immediately right after a
football storm.
Speaker 1 (41:33):
Sign me up, man, fat, I mean, when you say
what's next, most people thinking you know are like the
pe guys, they're like private equity or like, oh, I'm
gonna start flipping houses. Oh I'm gonna get into you
know whatever. That next phase is start a podcast and
you are like, yeah, I'm gonna go thirty forty days
in the Arctic.
Speaker 3 (41:50):
Well, well, you know obviously with businessman, I'm you know,
I've been always active and I don't think people.
Speaker 2 (41:55):
Yeah yeah, but that's not something you picked up. That's
something that's you know, you've been.
Speaker 3 (41:58):
On Yeah, yeah, one hundred. So I'm I'm obviously gonna
keep doing that at scaling all of the things that
I'm that I'm involved with.
Speaker 1 (42:06):
Yeah, I'll just be I'll be waiting for my phone call.
It won't come, but it's okay. I know officially he's
gonna call, will you and you? Between between you and
John Wilma, I don't know who keeps more secrets from me.
I'll be like Roes, I have liquid.
Speaker 3 (42:22):
No, no, no, I've got some big things down a popular man.
I'll definitely keep you up to day.
Speaker 2 (42:26):
Before I get you out here.
Speaker 1 (42:27):
Man, you've been a tight end who's played at such
at the highest level, at being all pro you know,
pro bowler been. You know, You've done so many miraculous things,
seen so many playoffs. Who do you got winning this year?
We're getting down, We're getting down to the to the
to the final final.
Speaker 3 (42:45):
That's it's a hard one because there's there's there's there's
people I would love to win.
Speaker 2 (42:50):
There's four teams left. I hear you.
Speaker 3 (42:53):
I mean, man, I would love to see Baltimore doing
you know, I mean, uh, I would love to see
you know, just I think personally Lamar, I feel like
he's gotten so much black and so many people just
don't believe in him and believe in the way they plays.
But I think he the way he's been playing, especially
(43:15):
as of late, it's just special. And I think he's
done a lot to change the game and continue to
evolve the game. But you know it, how like to me,
how UNBELIEVABLEILL be in Baltimore versus Line super Bowl, which
is something that no one would have ever predicted, no
doubt ever ever.
Speaker 2 (43:34):
Ticket sales been going crazy in Detroit. I don't know
if you say that, like the highest detail value tickets today.
Speaker 3 (43:39):
It's crazy. It's crazy. I mean because I played against
the Lions over the last however long and those things
were free and uh, but but not anymore. Man. It's
it's it's just unbelievable what what Dan's men will do
out there, you know, obviously turning that place around, changing
the culture, changing the environment, and just having people understand
how poor winning is, and you know, just kind of
(44:02):
turning the team into the same exact blue collar, hard
gritty type of community.
Speaker 1 (44:08):
Dan Kelp said, we're gonna crawl and we go if
we need to take bit n cats off.
Speaker 3 (44:12):
Exactly years later, they lie people. People thought it was crazy.
He said it, but he wouldn't line. He wouldn't line
because that's what they're doing for sure, looking.
Speaker 2 (44:21):
At him, like, what are you talking about. Nah, he's
from a different era.
Speaker 1 (44:23):
He believes in doing all that he's saying, Like he
actually played the game for ten years. Like if there's
coaches that can't say that he said, and he meant it,
and the team bought in, and he would go get
guys like you know, Chauncey Gardner Johnson, you know he
would you know, he was drafted a guy like Aiden
Hutchinson playing lights out just like a nitty gritty worker.
You know, he brought it Aaron Glenn is a A G.
(44:45):
Was a decordinator for Yeah it was it, uh dB
coach for US and now DC over at Detroit.
Speaker 2 (44:50):
Man.
Speaker 1 (44:50):
Great dude, but he has that old school mentality. They
played and they're like, but he said something like, no,
that's probably gonna work.
Speaker 3 (44:56):
No, he's seen that, and you know, I mean, I
think there's him to be said about that. You know,
it's it's you know, uh, you know, bringing bringing the
NFL back to a little bit of some of that
old school stuff, you know. I mean it's it's uh,
you know, we got introduced to it as young players.
We knew on a crazy level. You know. My my
rookie year was the last.
Speaker 2 (45:17):
Jeremy Shocky as y O G.
Speaker 1 (45:19):
I like, and he was the last of the rock
stars that you were like mandout him.
Speaker 3 (45:25):
I mean, first it was two a day's still to
PATA practice of the day training camps in New Orleans
with Seam Payton. I'll let you know what time it is.
It was absolute hell. I was calling home like I
don't know if I could do this. I mean I was,
I mean because Shocky, I mean, first off, being his
rookie was like iconic almost because they just won a
(45:46):
super Bowl. He was the rock star. He he was,
he was a rock star. I mean everybody wanted to
be around him. I remember just leaving a bar and
running down the street because people are chasing us down
the street like like rock stars, and it was it
was so cool to experience. But also Shaki is hilarious
(46:06):
and like I remember one morning he was like he
was like, hey, big dog, Uh yes, it seems like
my basin be going out today. But I was like, what, bro,
really go Bro, We're in stretch. This dude's back tightened
up just like you said. And it was like the
first brit is too, So I had to go with
(46:27):
the ones, twos, and threes. First time I was in
the one huddle like just didn't know what he was
talking about. And then we came back for that like
two or three o'clock practice in the dead of heat,
another two hour practice, all me absolutely brutal.
Speaker 2 (46:39):
Come get this work.
Speaker 1 (46:42):
Speaking of Shaki, who's in your tight end Rushmore?
Speaker 2 (46:45):
If there was to be a tight End Rushmore, my
Titan Rushmore, your tight end Rushmore.
Speaker 3 (46:50):
As far as like for my career or like complete like.
Speaker 2 (46:53):
Complete, however you want to take that.
Speaker 3 (46:55):
I mean, I'm gonna say on who it influenced my
career the most. It was like the people had true
influence on my career. Obviously Jimmie Shockey, you know, I
mean I was his rookie, and then it would I
would definitely say Ben Watson. Ben Watson was a big
part of that. You know, just kind of how he was,
(47:17):
you know, how kind of his approach to the game,
and and and just how he operated. And then I was,
you know, obviously blessed enough to play with Mercedes Lewis.
You know, he's he's his hands like it's it's insane
what he's doing. And you know, I don't think he
gets even enough credit for it. It's like when years
it was eighteen or something disgusting, I don't know, something
(47:39):
crazy crazy. And he's in the I mean he's in
the trenches. You know, he's lost putting hands on them.
He's not really a receiver tight end. The more East no, no,
and and uh, it's I mean it's just like unbelievable
to see. I mean truly truly unbelievable to see. Man.
You know, those are the guys that kind of had
the biggest influence on my career. Obviously, I ob would
(48:03):
say Dave Thomas. A lot of people don't know who
he is, but he's the one who actually taught me
the like.
Speaker 2 (48:07):
Mental University of Texas.
Speaker 3 (48:10):
Yeah, won a national championship, won a Super Bowl, but
he's the one who taught me the mental aspect of
the game, as far as understanding coverage, understanding all these things.
And then Shaky taught me the attitude. You know. I
remember something happened. There was like a drop in practice,
and Shaky ran up to me and he said some
other words. I'm not gonna say the podcast, but he
basically boiled it down to you're from the U, and
(48:33):
we don't walk around and do it like that. He said,
we hold ourselves to a higher standard. And from that
day on, yes, sir, oh yeah, no, no, no, I just cared.
Oh yeah, I carried myself like I was untouchable. And
sure enough, I think it translated to the field.
Speaker 2 (48:50):
Yeah, absolutely, Okay, we'll take that.
Speaker 1 (48:53):
I appreciate you tapping in, you know, mister pro bowler,
mister allpro, mister sixty thousand freaking feet in the air,
flying planes, helicopters now wanting to roll across the ocean's
nautical miles being added on.
Speaker 2 (49:07):
To the experiences.
Speaker 1 (49:08):
I appreciate you so much, not only for the tight
end that you are, but just like the overall phenomenal
person that you are and and everything that you know
that you've done over your career does it will probably
never get overlooked because you're a Saints Hall of Famer.
You know, your your character has spoken so much volumes
by even coming back, and if this is it finishing
your career with the Saints, you know, it's always black
(49:30):
and gold forever.
Speaker 2 (49:31):
But just it's I'm a Jimmy Graham fan, you know.
Just I'm a big Jimmy g guy.
Speaker 3 (49:35):
Uh.
Speaker 1 (49:36):
And it's not Garoppolo, It's Jimmy Graham. It's him, him,
Jimmy Graham. If you will, you know, so, I appreciate
you tapping out, tapping in with me off the Edge podcast.
Speaker 2 (49:54):
So there you have it. It's a round. I just
want to say a huge thank you to all my
awesome listeners for rocking with me.
Speaker 1 (50:00):
I've got a whole locker room full of my favorite
interviews from season.
Speaker 2 (50:03):
One coming your way. But before I go, you know,
the drill, come on.
Speaker 1 (50:06):
Now, make sure to drop us a five star rating
or review and hit that follow up button on Apple Podcasts,
iHeartRadio app, or wherever you get your podcasts. You can
also catch us on YouTube on the official YouTube page
of the NFL.
Speaker 2 (50:18):
Till next time, I'm out.
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