March 6, 2024 • 27 mins
Join us for a special seven-week series of "Off the Edge with Cam Jordan," where we're revisiting some of the standout interviews from Season 1. As we gear up for exciting new episodes, we're taking a trip down memory lane to showcase the incredible guests who graced our show.
To kick things off, Cam revisits his conversation with his friend, Raiders defensive end Maxx Crosby, as they discuss the strategy and mindset that separate elite performers from the rest, his fiery passion as a competitor, and the leadership dynamics within the Raiders' locker room, offering insight into the camaraderie, and mutual respect that define the team culture.
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Speaker 1 (00:04):
What's up, people, it's your boy, Cam Jay back with
another episode of Off the Edge with Cam Jordan. Now
as we gear it for another exciting season, I wanted
to reflect on some of the incredible guests I had
the pleasure of sitting down with last season. But Hey,
don't worry though, I got you. New episodes coming your
way real soon. Relax, I got you. But in the meantime,
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in between time, let's rewind and play back some of
my favorite interviews from season one. To kick things off,
I'm bringing you to your quarterback's worst nightmare.
Speaker 2 (00:35):
That's right.
Speaker 1 (00:35):
I'm bringing you my guy, Raiders defensive end Max Crosby.
That's right, Mad Max in the building.
Speaker 2 (00:51):
Hey, welcome Off the Edge with Cam Jordan.
Speaker 1 (00:54):
I'm sitting here as Off the Edge with Cam Joy
because I'm a defensive end. Off the Edge saying, if
we're gonna talk about more than just me bringing my
guy Max Crosby.
Speaker 2 (01:05):
Were talking about dog underrated still somehow bro Pressure King.
Speaker 1 (01:09):
I met him, this was rookie year Max Crosby after
the season at an NFL Honors show, sitting next to him.
Really got to talk to my guy and he became
my dog. We sort of have similar agents. We have
agents on the same team. It's like we're on the
same side. We wrote the amount of defensive end talks.
We have just the respect I have for a guy
like you, Max. It speaks volumes. I mean, you're at
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forty sacks. Forty sacks change being in the league for
a few years. But that being said, Bro, you've been here.
Like they said, the NFL is not for a long time,
but a good time. Bro, you have made the most
out of these five years. Bro, have been going crazy,
not only from stat wise, but all pro Pro Bowl
player leader on the on the Raiders, they call you
Mad Max, not just your rapper name. You're off the
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edge defensive line persona.
Speaker 3 (01:55):
Bro.
Speaker 2 (01:56):
I appreciate you for tapping in with me.
Speaker 4 (01:57):
Bro, No, I appreciate you, Bro. You know the goes
both ways. You've been an og for me since day one. So,
like you said, we got a ton of connections, all
the same people in the same circle. We know all
the same people from Vaughn you know, working at his
camps and on and on and on and on. So
I appreciate you, Bro, and in your career, and you
know I don't say this about many people but like
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there's a lot of guys you know, from like you
and Vn. Y'all set the you know, the platform and
the blueprint for how to do it, and uh, you
give me a ton of inspirations.
Speaker 3 (02:29):
So just being here is an honor, BRO. So I
appreciate you perfect.
Speaker 1 (02:32):
Bro.
Speaker 2 (02:32):
I appreciate it.
Speaker 3 (02:33):
Bro.
Speaker 1 (02:33):
I just want to like, I'm gonna open it up
because I talk about it a lot, this idea that
there's defensive ends and there's edge rushers. And you just
brought up me and Vaughn same draft class twenty eleven
Von edge rusher, me defensive end. You know what I'm saying, Like,
where are you sitting this convo? Because they they plugged
all of us together now outside linebacker qute unquote, your jacks,
your wills are sometimes now edge rushers, and I'm like, oh,
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you can't do what I do.
Speaker 4 (02:56):
Yeah, No, I feel that, you know honestly, like you said,
like they try to just like put everybody into that
edge category.
Speaker 3 (03:03):
But I think you're right.
Speaker 4 (03:04):
You know, at the end of the day, the edge
position is it comes in so many different ways, you know,
shapes and sizes. So that's what I think is the
most special position, because you could have a guy who's
five ten, two sixty and can rush the hell out
of the pass or in set and edge. But then
you could have a six six dude that's you know,
Tom lanky that can still get the job done, but
in a different way. So you know, for me, I
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don't you know, I don't like to put anybody in
the box, you know, for me, like I said, like,
I want to be the best all around defensive end
from pass rushers, stop in the run. I play, you
know how, I'm like you, I play every freaking snap
Like That's how I how I carry myself. So like
I don't want to be just known as a pass
rusher or just a run stopping guy, Like I want
to be the best overall.
Speaker 3 (03:46):
So that's you know, that's how I look at it.
Speaker 2 (03:48):
It got to be the best overall.
Speaker 4 (03:49):
Bro.
Speaker 1 (03:50):
Like, but I'm here to like, don't get a twist,
I'm here to play this run first.
Speaker 3 (03:53):
Yeah yeah, one hundred. Bro.
Speaker 1 (03:57):
Wait, what do you prefer a four eye, which is
you know that inside shaded a tackle, or do you
prefer that five which the outside say the tackle or
even a nine?
Speaker 4 (04:05):
Oh yeah, no, I'll leave the you know, I'll leave
the four eye a year. But for me, you know
I'm playing. I like playing in a five or six
or seven nine technique. You know that's me. I like
being on an edge at all times, no question. You
know you got you're weighing like too eighty.
Speaker 3 (04:19):
I don't. I'm like two sixty, you know what I mean.
I don't need to be in that four, but I'll
do it. You know I've done it right. I prefer
to be on the edge.
Speaker 2 (04:27):
At a high level push on. We all have our preferences.
Speaker 3 (04:29):
Me.
Speaker 1 (04:30):
I mean, I really want to be a six syde,
Like if I could line up inside of a tight end.
Speaker 2 (04:34):
Yeah, I'm really I'm really putting hands on a tight end.
Speaker 1 (04:36):
Like that's when I'm like, I'm trying to choke somebody out,
like and I get that rage and me I'm like,
yeah him, I gotta get him.
Speaker 2 (04:41):
Oh, bro, I played the four I too, Like it's
it is what it is.
Speaker 1 (04:46):
This is a different mindset, bro. When you think about
first second down, then I think about third down, Like
that's where like that's how I attack the lines, right,
I'm not thinking like hey, pass play pass play, unless
unless like office line is given hints or you know,
like a formation like four outs is is typically a
pass play. Like I'm thinking, like, all right, back off set,
he coming my way, and I like, I got that smile.
Speaker 2 (05:04):
On me, you know what I'm saying.
Speaker 1 (05:05):
I'm like, I'm like, Yo, they coming my way. Let's
do this stutter punch, whatever it is, let's ride. When
you think about what it takes to be a defensive end,
have you ever thought about, like the characteristics what it takes.
Not just it's like, oh, you gotta be long, you
gotta be tall, because you've seen Jerry Jerry Hughes do it.
You've seen Nick Perry do it, You've seen Tevon Thibodeau.
Speaker 2 (05:22):
Whatever it is. What do you think is the characteristics
of a good defensive end?
Speaker 3 (05:27):
You know?
Speaker 4 (05:27):
I think you know the characteristics you gotta have, like
you talked about, is having that dog mentality. I think
that's what separates, you know, the good players and the
great players. And like you said, you can go to
an NFL combine, guys can run a four to four
look like the biggest Leonidas on the planet.
Speaker 3 (05:41):
But once you put pads on, you're like, like, what
the is this? You know? Sorry, yeah, you can't bro
like yeah, but like you see it all the.
Speaker 1 (05:49):
Time, like Tarzan, but he played like Jane like that's
a real that's a real silicon because you be like, bro,
he looked, he looked like he major and get it
there be mad.
Speaker 2 (05:57):
He'll be like that don't make no sense.
Speaker 4 (05:58):
It doesn't make sense. But that's what you know when
you talk about mentality. They got to have that dog
in them, Like that's something you can't determine by looking
at somebody at a combine Like that really comes from
watching the film on somebody. I feel like that's the
most important thing. You got to watch film and see
who's willing to put their nose in it, you know,
and freaking go ahead, you know it's bull rush, have
all the mixture of combinations, but be relentless at the
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same time chasing the ball, flying to the ball. I
think the things that require no talent or the most
important thing to play the edge position, the.
Speaker 3 (06:26):
Other shit on top of it.
Speaker 4 (06:27):
Obviously, we're all NFL players, so you got to have
the ability to rush and bend and do all those things.
But I think the most important thing is just having
that relentless you know, I'm not gonna stop nobody's gonna outplay,
you know, outwork me during the game. I think that's
what you know, separates, you know, the great players from
the good ones.
Speaker 1 (06:42):
Man.
Speaker 2 (06:42):
Facts.
Speaker 1 (06:43):
Do you think sometimes like the way I talk crap
on like y'all you know I talk crap the way
you talk crap on the field, The passion, the love
that we have for the game, Like it feels like
when we win, like that's how you're supposed to play
the game. But when we lose, like that's when you
feel like media sort of like the attack you like,
oh you have to be that Like what do you me?
Speaker 2 (07:00):
Like, this is who I am as a monster bro?
Speaker 1 (07:01):
Like, do you feel like sometimes your passion as a
competitor gets misconstrued by other people?
Speaker 3 (07:07):
Yeah, let that affect you. No, I don't let it
affect me. I'm always gonna be me. You know.
Speaker 4 (07:11):
I definitely take some you know, I feel like more
recently in the past year, I've taken a lot of
heat just from like you know, they released the quarterback
thing where they see me like going after my homes
and talking messing with them and like.
Speaker 3 (07:23):
Everyone's like, oh my god, he's an asshole.
Speaker 4 (07:24):
He's a jerk, and then they see me, like they
released a micd up and I was like, I took
our tight end like twenty yards off the ball and
just body slammed them just to set the tone. And
like they're like this dude's an asshole, But like I
love that because that's who I am. Like it's not
they're just getting to see it now, but like that's
who I am as a player. My mentality is like
I don't care who's in front of me. I'm gonna talk.
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I'm gonna try to get in their head and I'm
gonna try to make them feel less than what they are.
You know, they might be a good player, I want
to make them feel average. So that's what I started
to play to play basis. So if they don't like it,
that's not my problem, right.
Speaker 1 (07:58):
Somebody brought that up to late Is Max like that.
I was like Max, Dude, I was like, yeah, he
supposed to be like that, Like what do you What
do you want me to do? You want me to
be like.
Speaker 2 (08:04):
The Andrew luck of a defensive end, Like.
Speaker 3 (08:06):
He's just like, hey, i'll see you next time.
Speaker 4 (08:09):
Yeah, I can't do that, bro, I'm gonna be one
hundred percent me if you don't like it, you don't
like it. But the people that love me, they love
me for that. So it's like that love me, you know,
that's all that matters to me.
Speaker 2 (08:19):
I don't get it.
Speaker 1 (08:20):
You think we're all friends, Like I'm not supposed to
Like the officer lineman I'm going against.
Speaker 2 (08:23):
I think he's that slow, and I think he can't
mess with me.
Speaker 1 (08:26):
That's the reason why I'm on the edge. And he's
he's in his position that he's in. He's like he's
a kid that grew up eating Hella candy and snacks
at middle of the night, played Fortnite duty, you know.
Speaker 3 (08:40):
You know, drinking a coke, sitting.
Speaker 1 (08:41):
There absolutely and he says and he says things like
I'm athletic, are you? Because you're the only one telling
yourself that you're athletic, you know, Like you're not supposed
to be friends, bro, Like, I don't get it. Like,
you know, when we talked to Vaughan this past year
and Bonn was like, man, you know, I like to
I like to get to know him, the officer the line,
and I'll be going against a guy and I'll be like, hey, man,
how's your date?
Speaker 2 (09:01):
Oh man? Man, I saw you had kids. How's your kids? Man,
I ain't never asked none of that.
Speaker 4 (09:06):
See for me, No, that's funny you say that because
like there's like majority of the time like I'm gonna
be on that with whoever it is, like just to
get myself going, like there's some guy like I feel
like it's different, you know when it comes to the
old lineman, Like there's some old lineman who like even
a Garret Bowles for instance, Like my first couple of
years in the league, like me and him a match
up twice a year, and like we were going like
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we were damn near fighting every play and we're talking
and going at it, going at it.
Speaker 3 (09:32):
And then like by the end of.
Speaker 4 (09:33):
My second year, we played each other for like the
fourth time, and he started walking across the field like
we were getting personal, like this was going there. I'm like,
all right, I'm ready to fight. I already know what
it is about to be. And he walked up to
me and I'm like this after the game, we're fighting
right now. And he's like, Bro, I love you.
Speaker 3 (09:49):
Bro.
Speaker 4 (09:50):
I'm gonna just say that, like I respect the guy
to you. He was like at the end of the day,
he was like, you're you bring it more than anybody.
Like he just had a lot of good shit to say, bro,
But like that's for me, that was the cool ast moment.
So like every time I see him now like he
did sees me, he's like, love you, bro, and then
it's I mean it's like so like yeah, so every
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you know, every situation is different, and uh, you know
it is what it is. But for me, like I'm
always trying to find that edge, whether it's you know,
talking or whatever I gotta do to get that man.
Speaker 1 (10:22):
I mean, but that competitive that's what makes you like great.
Like I don't, like I said, I don't want to
like you. I don't want to I can like you
outside the lines. In between these lines, you are an obstacle,
your speed bump, your literally your job is literally to
stop me from getting to where I'm trying to go. Yeah,
like if you if I'm trying to get out the
gated community, guess I get to get out to get
out of there, like the speed bump, and guess what
that off my names, that's speed bump. So hey, man,
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break the thing now. Man, I'm trying to get in there, bro.
But but that's what it sort of takes for me
to get to the process. For you, you bro, you
worked all the way through. So the leadership that you
have now the locker rooms in a good place between
you guys like Davante Adams.
Speaker 2 (10:57):
Tell me that leadership process, especially for a guy like.
Speaker 1 (11:00):
You know, Davonte who had to come in and be
cultivated to the to the Raiders style of play or
bring his culture on to you. That leadership between you
and him, because I see it on the field. I
see he chirps, you chirp your defense, your office response.
When you guys like talking like that. Leadership qualities that
you guys have to me, tell me a little bit
about that in locker room.
Speaker 3 (11:16):
Yeah, no doubt. You know, uh, you know, you nail
the raid on the head.
Speaker 2 (11:19):
You know.
Speaker 4 (11:19):
DeVante he's you know, he's like, I think this is
tenth year.
Speaker 3 (11:24):
You know, he's close to you.
Speaker 4 (11:25):
He's been in the league for a long time now,
and he the dude is elite at what he does.
And at the same time, he brings that energy no
matter if his practice or game day, and he's always
doing extra. So when you have a guy that's the first,
you know, three years in a row First Seam all
Pro and he's also one of your artist workers. Like
there's nothing you could say, so, like, guys are going
to naturally follow. And that's why I work the way
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I work, you know what I mean. I'm always I'm
staying on guy's ass, especially the young guys. Like I
make people uncomfortable sometimes and I try to push them
out of their comfort zone. But like for me, you know,
I've it's taking years to earn that right and like
for not you know, now, that's what leaderships all about.
It is, I want to bring the guys with me.
I want them you know, they might not get up
to my level right out the gate, but it's gonna
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take time. And if they can go from here to here,
then I've done my job. And if I can bring
all the guys with me, that's that's what.
Speaker 3 (12:12):
I can do.
Speaker 4 (12:13):
So like that's how I push it, bro, Like, yeah,
I just want to make you know, everybody's different, you know.
Speaker 3 (12:18):
And I learned this from coach Marionelli too.
Speaker 4 (12:20):
He told me, He's like, you know, what makes a
coach great is uh, you know, being able to adapt
to all your different players because certain you know, every
guy's different. Certain players tick a certain way. Some guys,
you know, need to get mother sometimes and that's how
they get going. And some guys you got to be
nice to them and then that's so it's like I
try to learn and really know who my guys are
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as people, and we do d line dinners every week,
Like they'll come to the house, I'll have chefs come
and we'll you know, just kick it and like do
stuff like that so I can really learn who the
person is. Because you can't go and mother somebody and
you don't even know what their child's name is. Yeah,
that's that's a problem. Like you, I don't want to
you know, I'm not going to listen to that. But
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if I have a real relationship with them, then you know, then.
Speaker 2 (13:04):
There's a reason.
Speaker 1 (13:05):
Like he's receptive because it's like, Bro, he cares about
me as person and he wants me to be the best.
Speaker 2 (13:08):
Version of me.
Speaker 3 (13:10):
And that's that's how I lead. And our locker rooms great. Bro.
Speaker 4 (13:13):
I love the guys and we have a lot of
good people and a lot of hard workers.
Speaker 3 (13:16):
So yeah, we just got to you.
Speaker 4 (13:17):
Know, keep rolling and get this thing on board.
Speaker 1 (13:37):
When it comes down to it, clearly you've earned the love, respect,
and accolades that you've gotten and earned it each and
every step of the way. Bro, the way you play
has been phenomenal, the way you get out the stacks,
and like, I'll be like, yo that you have to
get out the stacks. I'm like, Bro, you think you
could be all prob without getting out the stacks. But Bro,
you watch you watch Max. He's mad Max on Sundays,
He's going crazy. You're chasing things down, You're running things down.
And now we got your former quarterback, Derek Carr. He
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talks so highly of you. He's like, Bro, you might
be the only person that runs just as much as
as Max does after practices or whatever. It is like, Bro,
I always see running, He's always running. I'm like absolutely.
I was like, dude's a doll for a reason. He
earns it. But that being said, Bro, it's also put
you in a spot to what were you this year
on ESPN seventeen?
Speaker 3 (14:16):
Yeah? Seven?
Speaker 1 (14:17):
Does that motivate you at all? Does that affect you
at all? Like for me, I'll be like, bro, it's
just another year. Like there's years when I was like, oh,
I know I'm top twenty and been number ninety nine,
and there's years that I've all right, like I probably
saw that might be bottom fifty this year and been
as high as like thirty something.
Speaker 2 (14:31):
It just depends. But does it affect you or motivate you?
Speaker 3 (14:34):
Honestly, it motivates me.
Speaker 4 (14:35):
Like for me, I don't like having anybody have anything
like over me if I you know what I mean,
if I'm first impressors and first and TFLs and like
there's always going to be something that I'm trying to
find that somebody has over me, and like that's it
will bother me until I get back out there and
try to get closer to that. So like I use
things like that as motivation, you know, more than anything.
And like that's just like how my mind works. I'm
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ultracompetitive no matter what I'm doing, and like, yeah, I
want to be the number one player, Like I was
ranked seventeenth, you know, by my peers as a player
in the NFL. Like just thinking about that, you know,
five years ago, if you'd have told me I'm in
the top twenty like in the league and that's in
the world, Like that's crazy.
Speaker 3 (15:12):
But at the end of the.
Speaker 4 (15:13):
Day, like now where I'm at, like there's always more,
And like I got that from coach Marinelli, Like he
texted me damn near every single day to this day.
And he's retired seventy five years old. I don't know
what the hell he's doing in his lab, but he's
he always text me it's more and improved. Like those
are the two words he always is preaching to me.
He's like, there's always more to do and there's always
room for improvement, and like you have to find what
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that is every single day.
Speaker 3 (15:36):
So like for me, that's how my brain works.
Speaker 4 (15:38):
Like I could have a good game, i could have
a bad game, but like I'm always going to find
the things I got to get better at and apply
that into my practice and preparacing the next week.
Speaker 3 (15:46):
So that's what I feel like.
Speaker 4 (15:47):
The consistency part is like so big for me, and
what's taking my game to the next level is like
never getting content or too high or too low. It's like,
all right, I'm gonna stay right here, even keeled, and
just build off of it every single week. And that's
how you put together a great season, is not you know,
riding the roller coaster. You just gotta you know, let
the certain things you know how you know how you tick?
You know I know how I tack, you know how
you take it? Like for me, I'm gonna find that
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and use it for a positive.
Speaker 1 (16:10):
That mentality has changed, bro, even in the last what
five years ago you were a rookie to now Bro, Yeah,
there was that like two or three years ago when
you were like, Bro, like I'm getting all these pressures,
but I'm like, the sacks aren't where they supposed to be.
Speaker 3 (16:21):
And we talked about it.
Speaker 2 (16:22):
You're like, Bro, like like how do I was like, Bro,
what do you like?
Speaker 1 (16:25):
It all comes around, Bro, If you're getting pressures, that
means you' getting closer as long as you as long
as I don't even remember the whole conversation, I was like, Bro,
as long as you're hunting, Like eventually, if you keep
stabbing at it, you're going to draw blood.
Speaker 2 (16:36):
You know what I'm saying.
Speaker 1 (16:39):
You took off after that, Bro, But like, does that
that competitive edge you have, that chippy wheel? Does that
also come from not saying smaller school, but like you
going in the you know, middle of the draft, that
that fourth round draft pick? Is that an extra added
mentality from like I didn't come from nothing, but like
they didn't they didn't respect me the way they were
supposed to.
Speaker 4 (16:55):
Yeah, you know, I always I've always felt like I've
been slept on, and I feel like I've always had
to go above and beyond to like prove my worth.
I know, it's a part of my journey, you know,
like being you know, I've been with the Raiders. You know,
we've had you know, three out of four years they
have made the playoffs, and it's been a struggle. Like
I was a fourth round pick, I had one offer
coming out of high school. Like I've always had to
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go above and beyond and do what I do. But
it's like that's what makes me who I am, and
like I love it. I wouldn't change it for anything.
And like it is hard because I feel like, you know,
I don't always have the greatest, you know.
Speaker 3 (17:28):
Deck of cards.
Speaker 4 (17:29):
But at the end of the day, that's what makes
me who I am because I've always found a way,
Like I've never I never quit, Like no matter if
I start something, I'm gonna finish it. And that's how
I approach every single day. So like I love when
people doubt me. I love and they tell me, oh,
he's not like even last year, like I thought I
should have been an All Pro. Like that's I thought about
that all year and like you know when he played
lineman and like you have a good game and they'll
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come out and be like, oh he got locked up,
he didn't get a sack, blah blah blah blah blah,
and then they'll show too clips and you're getting blocked
and like you kill them the rest of the time. Like, Bro,
that's sit mind. Like I don't want anybody to have
anything or anything. So like that's what it is for me. Bro,
It's every single day, like I'm just I'm just competitive shit,
Like it don't matter if I'm playing two k, if
I'm hanging in the back talking with the guys, like
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it doesn't matter. I don't want anybody to have anything
over me. And like that's that's what pushed me every
single day.
Speaker 1 (18:18):
That's that's that one when you go gets office a
lineman and you've beating him outside inside, through and you're
coming right there at the quarterback. Bro, Like I'm like
there was there was times this last two games I'm
just like literally filling the lace on the ball and
being launched and I'm like, oh, the techle played good
against you. Yeah, you're like, you're like, bro, like it
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was me, Like I didn't get there, but you know
that's on me, it's not him. He didn't stop me
either way. It was a quick, quick release whatever it was. Like,
But do you think some of that is like instinct
verse technique? Like yo, like you when you're looking at
your film for your spin move in that quarterback stepping
up and you have a hand on the shoulder and
he slips out of there. I know you've talked about
stretch of flexibility, grip strength, Like what what do you
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think it is to finish in those plays?
Speaker 3 (19:02):
I think it's a combination.
Speaker 4 (19:03):
You know, you gotta have, Like I think that's you know,
differs between a pressure, like you can get pressures. You
know they count hurries and you know president they're all combined.
So like, yeah, if the ball's gone in two seconds
and you're beating them in one and a half, like
you can't do anything about that, but you're winning the rush,
Like that's what it really comes down to. If you're
winning a high percentage of rushes and you have natural
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football instincts, you're reading your keys, you're playing with pad
level you're working that you work in practice, like the
guys that me and you like, Bro, we've been pro bowlers.
Like we trust our moves and we think we know
they're gonna work if we trust them and do them
the right way, and our pad levels right and our
eyes are right and our cell is right, like all
that matters. So like for me going into the game,
I'm trusting that process, like I'm gonna break down the film.
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I'm gonna see what I can do better from the
week before, and like I'm gonna start looking at my opponent.
Speaker 3 (19:48):
How can I beat this guy? How can I dissect them?
Speaker 4 (19:50):
And like for me, it's not just like you know
when you talk about like finishing, that's finishing. Just you know,
every little detail matters. And like I talk about from
practice to the weight room, like the grip strength thing,
like I do grip after every workout now, like I've
done it for years now, just because that extra grab
and like.
Speaker 3 (20:07):
Wait, which which one?
Speaker 2 (20:09):
Which one do you do? Do you have?
Speaker 1 (20:10):
Do you have like the hand machines or do you
like I do my grip strength where like I hold
I hold the forty five pounds?
Speaker 3 (20:16):
What is it?
Speaker 1 (20:16):
Twenty two kilo weights and I do that for time
or then, like I started a couple of years ago,
our d line coach introduced like flipping these things. Now
I'm like flipping and catching, like I'm like on a Thursday,
I'm like flipping.
Speaker 2 (20:28):
Catching these forty five pound weights.
Speaker 1 (20:29):
Just like in those weeks that you don't have you
be like, all right, all right, what's because I do
have my finger? Not an excuse, but like gotta go,
just back to hole.
Speaker 2 (20:37):
What would be your favorite grip strength exercise?
Speaker 3 (20:39):
Would you say?
Speaker 4 (20:40):
Yeah, I would say my favorite, Like we do a
ton ton of different ones, Like today we had like
the fat grippers on, which are hard as hell, and
you deal with kettlebells and like you can't fully grip
and you're just shaking.
Speaker 2 (20:51):
I don't know about this. What do you wait? Wait, explain,
I got you.
Speaker 3 (20:56):
Yeah, this is different.
Speaker 2 (20:58):
But I was kettle with like thirty five forty pounds.
Speaker 4 (21:01):
No, you get like it's sixty I'll say sixty pounds kettlebell.
You do like you do like sessions, so you do
like thirty seconds with it with it and then twenty
seconds with a heavier weight, and then you do like
towel holes, so you wrap it around the kettlebell and
you hold with the towel and it's heavy, Like.
Speaker 3 (21:17):
Bro, I got it. I got some for You'll say.
Speaker 4 (21:20):
Bro, my god, I'm wanting to learn. I like, I'm
telling you Rick Slate my guy in here in the train.
He's one of my He's like the main guy works
out with me. He's my puts me through every workout.
Speaker 3 (21:30):
That dude, don't you don't start working out, bro, he's
an og. Bro, he's an og and he gets the right.
Speaker 2 (21:36):
You're going through prison workouts, yall workouts?
Speaker 3 (21:38):
What he has me screaming, like cussing him out. I'm
so mad. It hurts so bad, but it pays off
in the end.
Speaker 2 (21:44):
I'm not gonna lie, bro, Like you surprised me. What
was that this pass Pro Bowl?
Speaker 1 (21:47):
We were talking like, Bro, I'm working out here every
day still, like like there is no shut down for
me in the off season.
Speaker 2 (21:53):
Is there a shutdown period? When do you recoup the bod?
Speaker 1 (21:56):
Like for me, I have to like I gotta get
away fam like I disappear for like.
Speaker 3 (21:59):
A like yeah, no work it out, no Rarnie, like.
Speaker 2 (22:03):
I gotta eat, love my family love me.
Speaker 1 (22:06):
We're not in football season. I'm not necessarily like the greatest.
I don't think I'm the greatest dad, husband, brother, anything.
I'm like, Yo, it's Thursday, so Thursday through Sunday, I'm
locking the hell in, Like I don't even like to
do media by Wednesday is Friday, Like, don't ask me.
Speaker 2 (22:22):
Saturday, I am so locked in. I'm like, I got
things I have to do on Sunday. I'm not a
good person. Sunday I'm coming with bad intentions.
Speaker 1 (22:28):
When do you get away and become you know, like daddy, Max,
thank you, gotta love you.
Speaker 4 (22:34):
Yeah, No, honestly, bro, Like this was after my third
year and fourth year. Like I know, it was after
my second year and third year. I would start after
the Super Bowl That's when I would start training. And
this year, you know, we didn't make the playoffs, and
you know, I talked to my strength coach, I talked
to my nutrition's all this, and he was like, hey,
we're gonna start January thirtieth this year, and this is
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why we're going to ease, you know, ease into the process.
Speaker 3 (22:57):
Boo boom, boom boom. He broke it down to me.
Speaker 4 (23:00):
You know, I have a team of people that all,
you know, collaborate and communicate here with the Raiders.
Speaker 3 (23:04):
So it was great, and I started.
Speaker 2 (23:06):
To hear your own team of people.
Speaker 3 (23:10):
Hey I'm here. I'm here by myself. You know what
I mean.
Speaker 4 (23:13):
When you when you hear about yourself, you get everybody,
you get all the resources. So yeah, you know, we
started January thirtieth, and so yeah, I took like two
and a half weeks off and I was back rolling,
but I was still meal prepping even after the season,
and like, I always want to stay in shape. And
no matter what I hate, there's nothing worse than going
and put eating like sh for two weeks and you
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have to drop weight and then you're just wasting weeks
of work. And you know time you can improved by
trying to cut weight and then get back into shape.
So like, for me, I want to be in shape
all year round. So like that's how that's how it
is for me. It's really it's really all year round.
Speaker 2 (23:46):
Man, I said, that's what it takes.
Speaker 4 (23:48):
Bro.
Speaker 1 (23:48):
Like if that's if that's what Joe vibe is, that's
crazy work to me because I'm like, yo, I gotta
get away, like I'm eating, I'm eating.
Speaker 2 (23:54):
Like that little facire, bro, like I got.
Speaker 3 (23:56):
To eat well, We'll say well and come back.
Speaker 4 (23:58):
I'm like every week I'm eating good in the off season,
I will say that my Saturdays, I'm getting my cheat meal,
I'm getting Chipotle for lunch. I'm gonna eat something for dinner.
But like, besides that, you know that.
Speaker 1 (24:10):
One day a week cheating no, no off season like
a month, maam, Like you know you know this off
seat I went to. I went to Spain for two
and a half months. Oh, I start working out tonight
like last month and a half. That first month I
was there.
Speaker 2 (24:21):
I needed all of it.
Speaker 1 (24:22):
You know, big, I bet a harmon, the big big steaks.
What I need all of it. I was like, yo,
run that twice. My kids are looking at me like
Daddy's fluffy.
Speaker 3 (24:34):
Yeah he is, damn right, man.
Speaker 2 (24:37):
I worked hard to be fluffy. And then I'm gonna
get back right.
Speaker 1 (24:40):
All right, three quick questions I get you out of here, bro,
I said, twenty five minutes.
Speaker 2 (24:43):
He gone over twenty five minutes. Yeah, hey, bro, what's
your favorite cheapt meal?
Speaker 3 (24:47):
Favorite cheat meal?
Speaker 2 (24:49):
Don't tell me you what Chipotle got?
Speaker 4 (24:51):
Come on, come on, I was gonna see that's just
so easy for me to say it, but I would
say this and like this is my prison, like if
I was in prison, Like they're like you have one
meal left. I'm getting chicken, Fried's, steagle, mashed potatoes, cream cord, gravy,
all that.
Speaker 3 (25:04):
Like straight murders, murders.
Speaker 2 (25:07):
Favor favorite other edge rusher, edge rusher to watch.
Speaker 3 (25:13):
I'm gonna say.
Speaker 2 (25:16):
That, there's a lot of them.
Speaker 3 (25:17):
That's what I say.
Speaker 2 (25:18):
Take take, take Jordans.
Speaker 1 (25:21):
And you you're going t j okay, okay, to a
little what all right?
Speaker 2 (25:25):
And then now I'm not gonna do this to you.
Speaker 3 (25:28):
Favorite teammate, favorite teammate. I got a lot.
Speaker 4 (25:31):
I love them all, but I'm gonna have to say.
Speaker 3 (25:37):
I'm gonna say Devanteta my guy. We're like that's my brother.
Speaker 2 (25:43):
Okay, okay, last last question. Favorite tattoo. When you're done,
favorite tattoo.
Speaker 3 (25:47):
You got this.
Speaker 2 (25:47):
When I first met you, you had a little bit. Now
you've got this.
Speaker 4 (25:51):
I'm gonna say, my daughter. I got my daughter right here.
So yeah, holding down for Ella, no question.
Speaker 1 (25:57):
Absolutely appreciate you, bro, You you you monster bro. You
becoming a legend of the game, and like, keep on pushing,
keep on pressing. I appreciate you tapping in with me, Broth.
We'll text later, Bro, but I appreciate you for getting that.
Speaker 3 (26:08):
Appreciate you, Bro, your legend.
Speaker 2 (26:19):
So there you have it. It's a wrap.
Speaker 1 (26:21):
I just want to say a huge thank you to
all my awesome listeners for rocking with me. I've got
a whole locker room full of my favorite interviews from
season one coming your way.
Speaker 2 (26:29):
But before I go, you know the drill. Come on now.
Speaker 1 (26:32):
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Til next time, I'm out.
What's up, people, it's your boy, Cam Jay back with
another episode of Off the Edge with Cam Jordan. Now
as we gear it for another exciting season, I wanted
to reflect on some of the incredible guests I had
the pleasure of sitting down with last season. But Hey,
don't worry though, I got you. New episodes coming your
way real soon. Relax, I got you. But in the meantime,
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in between time, let's rewind and play back some of
my favorite interviews from season one. To kick things off,
I'm bringing you to your quarterback's worst nightmare.
Speaker 2 (00:35):
That's right.
Speaker 1 (00:35):
I'm bringing you my guy, Raiders defensive end Max Crosby.
That's right, Mad Max in the building.
Speaker 2 (00:51):
Hey, welcome Off the Edge with Cam Jordan.
Speaker 1 (00:54):
I'm sitting here as Off the Edge with Cam Joy
because I'm a defensive end. Off the Edge saying, if
we're gonna talk about more than just me bringing my
guy Max Crosby.
Speaker 2 (01:05):
Were talking about dog underrated still somehow bro Pressure King.
Speaker 1 (01:09):
I met him, this was rookie year Max Crosby after
the season at an NFL Honors show, sitting next to him.
Really got to talk to my guy and he became
my dog. We sort of have similar agents. We have
agents on the same team. It's like we're on the
same side. We wrote the amount of defensive end talks.
We have just the respect I have for a guy
like you, Max. It speaks volumes. I mean, you're at
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forty sacks. Forty sacks change being in the league for
a few years. But that being said, Bro, you've been here.
Like they said, the NFL is not for a long time,
but a good time. Bro, you have made the most
out of these five years. Bro, have been going crazy,
not only from stat wise, but all pro Pro Bowl
player leader on the on the Raiders, they call you
Mad Max, not just your rapper name. You're off the
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edge defensive line persona.
Speaker 3 (01:55):
Bro.
Speaker 2 (01:56):
I appreciate you for tapping in with me.
Speaker 4 (01:57):
Bro, No, I appreciate you, Bro. You know the goes
both ways. You've been an og for me since day one. So,
like you said, we got a ton of connections, all
the same people in the same circle. We know all
the same people from Vaughn you know, working at his
camps and on and on and on and on. So
I appreciate you, Bro, and in your career, and you
know I don't say this about many people but like
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there's a lot of guys you know, from like you
and Vn. Y'all set the you know, the platform and
the blueprint for how to do it, and uh, you
give me a ton of inspirations.
Speaker 3 (02:29):
So just being here is an honor, BRO. So I
appreciate you perfect.
Speaker 1 (02:32):
Bro.
Speaker 2 (02:32):
I appreciate it.
Speaker 3 (02:33):
Bro.
Speaker 1 (02:33):
I just want to like, I'm gonna open it up
because I talk about it a lot, this idea that
there's defensive ends and there's edge rushers. And you just
brought up me and Vaughn same draft class twenty eleven
Von edge rusher, me defensive end. You know what I'm saying, Like,
where are you sitting this convo? Because they they plugged
all of us together now outside linebacker qute unquote, your jacks,
your wills are sometimes now edge rushers, and I'm like, oh,
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you can't do what I do.
Speaker 4 (02:56):
Yeah, No, I feel that, you know honestly, like you said,
like they try to just like put everybody into that
edge category.
Speaker 3 (03:03):
But I think you're right.
Speaker 4 (03:04):
You know, at the end of the day, the edge
position is it comes in so many different ways, you know,
shapes and sizes. So that's what I think is the
most special position, because you could have a guy who's
five ten, two sixty and can rush the hell out
of the pass or in set and edge. But then
you could have a six six dude that's you know,
Tom lanky that can still get the job done, but
in a different way. So you know, for me, I
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don't you know, I don't like to put anybody in
the box, you know, for me, like I said, like,
I want to be the best all around defensive end
from pass rushers, stop in the run. I play, you
know how, I'm like you, I play every freaking snap
Like That's how I how I carry myself. So like
I don't want to be just known as a pass
rusher or just a run stopping guy, Like I want
to be the best overall.
Speaker 3 (03:46):
So that's you know, that's how I look at it.
Speaker 2 (03:48):
It got to be the best overall.
Speaker 4 (03:49):
Bro.
Speaker 1 (03:50):
Like, but I'm here to like, don't get a twist,
I'm here to play this run first.
Speaker 3 (03:53):
Yeah yeah, one hundred. Bro.
Speaker 1 (03:57):
Wait, what do you prefer a four eye, which is
you know that inside shaded a tackle, or do you
prefer that five which the outside say the tackle or
even a nine?
Speaker 4 (04:05):
Oh yeah, no, I'll leave the you know, I'll leave
the four eye a year. But for me, you know
I'm playing. I like playing in a five or six
or seven nine technique. You know that's me. I like
being on an edge at all times, no question. You
know you got you're weighing like too eighty.
Speaker 3 (04:19):
I don't. I'm like two sixty, you know what I mean.
I don't need to be in that four, but I'll
do it. You know I've done it right. I prefer
to be on the edge.
Speaker 2 (04:27):
At a high level push on. We all have our preferences.
Speaker 3 (04:29):
Me.
Speaker 1 (04:30):
I mean, I really want to be a six syde,
Like if I could line up inside of a tight end.
Speaker 2 (04:34):
Yeah, I'm really I'm really putting hands on a tight end.
Speaker 1 (04:36):
Like that's when I'm like, I'm trying to choke somebody out,
like and I get that rage and me I'm like,
yeah him, I gotta get him.
Speaker 2 (04:41):
Oh, bro, I played the four I too, Like it's
it is what it is.
Speaker 1 (04:46):
This is a different mindset, bro. When you think about
first second down, then I think about third down, Like
that's where like that's how I attack the lines, right,
I'm not thinking like hey, pass play pass play, unless
unless like office line is given hints or you know,
like a formation like four outs is is typically a
pass play. Like I'm thinking, like, all right, back off set,
he coming my way, and I like, I got that smile.
Speaker 2 (05:04):
On me, you know what I'm saying.
Speaker 1 (05:05):
I'm like, I'm like, Yo, they coming my way. Let's
do this stutter punch, whatever it is, let's ride. When
you think about what it takes to be a defensive end,
have you ever thought about, like the characteristics what it takes.
Not just it's like, oh, you gotta be long, you
gotta be tall, because you've seen Jerry Jerry Hughes do it.
You've seen Nick Perry do it, You've seen Tevon Thibodeau.
Speaker 2 (05:22):
Whatever it is. What do you think is the characteristics
of a good defensive end?
Speaker 3 (05:27):
You know?
Speaker 4 (05:27):
I think you know the characteristics you gotta have, like
you talked about, is having that dog mentality. I think
that's what separates, you know, the good players and the
great players. And like you said, you can go to
an NFL combine, guys can run a four to four
look like the biggest Leonidas on the planet.
Speaker 3 (05:41):
But once you put pads on, you're like, like, what
the is this? You know? Sorry, yeah, you can't bro
like yeah, but like you see it all the.
Speaker 1 (05:49):
Time, like Tarzan, but he played like Jane like that's
a real that's a real silicon because you be like, bro,
he looked, he looked like he major and get it
there be mad.
Speaker 2 (05:57):
He'll be like that don't make no sense.
Speaker 4 (05:58):
It doesn't make sense. But that's what you know when
you talk about mentality. They got to have that dog
in them, Like that's something you can't determine by looking
at somebody at a combine Like that really comes from
watching the film on somebody. I feel like that's the
most important thing. You got to watch film and see
who's willing to put their nose in it, you know,
and freaking go ahead, you know it's bull rush, have
all the mixture of combinations, but be relentless at the
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same time chasing the ball, flying to the ball. I
think the things that require no talent or the most
important thing to play the edge position, the.
Speaker 3 (06:26):
Other shit on top of it.
Speaker 4 (06:27):
Obviously, we're all NFL players, so you got to have
the ability to rush and bend and do all those things.
But I think the most important thing is just having
that relentless you know, I'm not gonna stop nobody's gonna outplay,
you know, outwork me during the game. I think that's
what you know, separates, you know, the great players from
the good ones.
Speaker 1 (06:42):
Man.
Speaker 2 (06:42):
Facts.
Speaker 1 (06:43):
Do you think sometimes like the way I talk crap
on like y'all you know I talk crap the way
you talk crap on the field, The passion, the love
that we have for the game, Like it feels like
when we win, like that's how you're supposed to play
the game. But when we lose, like that's when you
feel like media sort of like the attack you like,
oh you have to be that Like what do you me?
Speaker 2 (07:00):
Like, this is who I am as a monster bro?
Speaker 1 (07:01):
Like, do you feel like sometimes your passion as a
competitor gets misconstrued by other people?
Speaker 3 (07:07):
Yeah, let that affect you. No, I don't let it
affect me. I'm always gonna be me. You know.
Speaker 4 (07:11):
I definitely take some you know, I feel like more
recently in the past year, I've taken a lot of
heat just from like you know, they released the quarterback
thing where they see me like going after my homes
and talking messing with them and like.
Speaker 3 (07:23):
Everyone's like, oh my god, he's an asshole.
Speaker 4 (07:24):
He's a jerk, and then they see me, like they
released a micd up and I was like, I took
our tight end like twenty yards off the ball and
just body slammed them just to set the tone. And
like they're like this dude's an asshole, But like I
love that because that's who I am. Like it's not
they're just getting to see it now, but like that's
who I am as a player. My mentality is like
I don't care who's in front of me. I'm gonna talk.
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I'm gonna try to get in their head and I'm
gonna try to make them feel less than what they are.
You know, they might be a good player, I want
to make them feel average. So that's what I started
to play to play basis. So if they don't like it,
that's not my problem, right.
Speaker 1 (07:58):
Somebody brought that up to late Is Max like that.
I was like Max, Dude, I was like, yeah, he
supposed to be like that, Like what do you What
do you want me to do? You want me to
be like.
Speaker 2 (08:04):
The Andrew luck of a defensive end, Like.
Speaker 3 (08:06):
He's just like, hey, i'll see you next time.
Speaker 4 (08:09):
Yeah, I can't do that, bro, I'm gonna be one
hundred percent me if you don't like it, you don't
like it. But the people that love me, they love
me for that. So it's like that love me, you know,
that's all that matters to me.
Speaker 2 (08:19):
I don't get it.
Speaker 1 (08:20):
You think we're all friends, Like I'm not supposed to
Like the officer lineman I'm going against.
Speaker 2 (08:23):
I think he's that slow, and I think he can't
mess with me.
Speaker 1 (08:26):
That's the reason why I'm on the edge. And he's
he's in his position that he's in. He's like he's
a kid that grew up eating Hella candy and snacks
at middle of the night, played Fortnite duty, you know.
Speaker 3 (08:40):
You know, drinking a coke, sitting.
Speaker 1 (08:41):
There absolutely and he says and he says things like
I'm athletic, are you? Because you're the only one telling
yourself that you're athletic, you know, Like you're not supposed
to be friends, bro, Like, I don't get it. Like,
you know, when we talked to Vaughan this past year
and Bonn was like, man, you know, I like to
I like to get to know him, the officer the line,
and I'll be going against a guy and I'll be like, hey, man,
how's your date?
Speaker 2 (09:01):
Oh man? Man, I saw you had kids. How's your kids? Man,
I ain't never asked none of that.
Speaker 4 (09:06):
See for me, No, that's funny you say that because
like there's like majority of the time like I'm gonna
be on that with whoever it is, like just to
get myself going, like there's some guy like I feel
like it's different, you know when it comes to the
old lineman, Like there's some old lineman who like even
a Garret Bowles for instance, Like my first couple of
years in the league, like me and him a match
up twice a year, and like we were going like
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we were damn near fighting every play and we're talking
and going at it, going at it.
Speaker 3 (09:32):
And then like by the end of.
Speaker 4 (09:33):
My second year, we played each other for like the
fourth time, and he started walking across the field like
we were getting personal, like this was going there. I'm like,
all right, I'm ready to fight. I already know what
it is about to be. And he walked up to
me and I'm like this after the game, we're fighting
right now. And he's like, Bro, I love you.
Speaker 3 (09:49):
Bro.
Speaker 4 (09:50):
I'm gonna just say that, like I respect the guy
to you. He was like at the end of the day,
he was like, you're you bring it more than anybody.
Like he just had a lot of good shit to say, bro,
But like that's for me, that was the cool ast moment.
So like every time I see him now like he
did sees me, he's like, love you, bro, and then
it's I mean it's like so like yeah, so every
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you know, every situation is different, and uh, you know
it is what it is. But for me, like I'm
always trying to find that edge, whether it's you know,
talking or whatever I gotta do to get that man.
Speaker 1 (10:22):
I mean, but that competitive that's what makes you like great.
Like I don't, like I said, I don't want to
like you. I don't want to I can like you
outside the lines. In between these lines, you are an obstacle,
your speed bump, your literally your job is literally to
stop me from getting to where I'm trying to go. Yeah,
like if you if I'm trying to get out the
gated community, guess I get to get out to get
out of there, like the speed bump, and guess what
that off my names, that's speed bump. So hey, man,
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break the thing now. Man, I'm trying to get in there, bro.
But but that's what it sort of takes for me
to get to the process. For you, you bro, you
worked all the way through. So the leadership that you
have now the locker rooms in a good place between
you guys like Davante Adams.
Speaker 2 (10:57):
Tell me that leadership process, especially for a guy like.
Speaker 1 (11:00):
You know, Davonte who had to come in and be
cultivated to the to the Raiders style of play or
bring his culture on to you. That leadership between you
and him, because I see it on the field. I
see he chirps, you chirp your defense, your office response.
When you guys like talking like that. Leadership qualities that
you guys have to me, tell me a little bit
about that in locker room.
Speaker 3 (11:16):
Yeah, no doubt. You know, uh, you know, you nail
the raid on the head.
Speaker 2 (11:19):
You know.
Speaker 4 (11:19):
DeVante he's you know, he's like, I think this is
tenth year.
Speaker 3 (11:24):
You know, he's close to you.
Speaker 4 (11:25):
He's been in the league for a long time now,
and he the dude is elite at what he does.
And at the same time, he brings that energy no
matter if his practice or game day, and he's always
doing extra. So when you have a guy that's the first,
you know, three years in a row First Seam all
Pro and he's also one of your artist workers. Like
there's nothing you could say, so, like, guys are going
to naturally follow. And that's why I work the way
(11:45):
I work, you know what I mean. I'm always I'm
staying on guy's ass, especially the young guys. Like I
make people uncomfortable sometimes and I try to push them
out of their comfort zone. But like for me, you know,
I've it's taking years to earn that right and like
for not you know, now, that's what leaderships all about.
It is, I want to bring the guys with me.
I want them you know, they might not get up
to my level right out the gate, but it's gonna
(12:07):
take time. And if they can go from here to here,
then I've done my job. And if I can bring
all the guys with me, that's that's what.
Speaker 3 (12:12):
I can do.
Speaker 4 (12:13):
So like that's how I push it, bro, Like, yeah,
I just want to make you know, everybody's different, you know.
Speaker 3 (12:18):
And I learned this from coach Marionelli too.
Speaker 4 (12:20):
He told me, He's like, you know, what makes a
coach great is uh, you know, being able to adapt
to all your different players because certain you know, every
guy's different. Certain players tick a certain way. Some guys,
you know, need to get mother sometimes and that's how
they get going. And some guys you got to be
nice to them and then that's so it's like I
try to learn and really know who my guys are
(12:41):
as people, and we do d line dinners every week,
Like they'll come to the house, I'll have chefs come
and we'll you know, just kick it and like do
stuff like that so I can really learn who the
person is. Because you can't go and mother somebody and
you don't even know what their child's name is. Yeah,
that's that's a problem. Like you, I don't want to
you know, I'm not going to listen to that. But
(13:01):
if I have a real relationship with them, then you know, then.
Speaker 2 (13:04):
There's a reason.
Speaker 1 (13:05):
Like he's receptive because it's like, Bro, he cares about
me as person and he wants me to be the best.
Speaker 2 (13:08):
Version of me.
Speaker 3 (13:10):
And that's that's how I lead. And our locker rooms great. Bro.
Speaker 4 (13:13):
I love the guys and we have a lot of
good people and a lot of hard workers.
Speaker 3 (13:16):
So yeah, we just got to you.
Speaker 4 (13:17):
Know, keep rolling and get this thing on board.
Speaker 1 (13:37):
When it comes down to it, clearly you've earned the love, respect,
and accolades that you've gotten and earned it each and
every step of the way. Bro, the way you play
has been phenomenal, the way you get out the stacks,
and like, I'll be like, yo that you have to
get out the stacks. I'm like, Bro, you think you
could be all prob without getting out the stacks. But Bro,
you watch you watch Max. He's mad Max on Sundays,
He's going crazy. You're chasing things down, You're running things down.
And now we got your former quarterback, Derek Carr. He
(13:59):
talks so highly of you. He's like, Bro, you might
be the only person that runs just as much as
as Max does after practices or whatever. It is like, Bro,
I always see running, He's always running. I'm like absolutely.
I was like, dude's a doll for a reason. He
earns it. But that being said, Bro, it's also put
you in a spot to what were you this year
on ESPN seventeen?
Speaker 3 (14:16):
Yeah? Seven?
Speaker 1 (14:17):
Does that motivate you at all? Does that affect you
at all? Like for me, I'll be like, bro, it's
just another year. Like there's years when I was like, oh,
I know I'm top twenty and been number ninety nine,
and there's years that I've all right, like I probably
saw that might be bottom fifty this year and been
as high as like thirty something.
Speaker 2 (14:31):
It just depends. But does it affect you or motivate you?
Speaker 3 (14:34):
Honestly, it motivates me.
Speaker 4 (14:35):
Like for me, I don't like having anybody have anything
like over me if I you know what I mean,
if I'm first impressors and first and TFLs and like
there's always going to be something that I'm trying to
find that somebody has over me, and like that's it
will bother me until I get back out there and
try to get closer to that. So like I use
things like that as motivation, you know, more than anything.
And like that's just like how my mind works. I'm
(14:57):
ultracompetitive no matter what I'm doing, and like, yeah, I
want to be the number one player, Like I was
ranked seventeenth, you know, by my peers as a player
in the NFL. Like just thinking about that, you know,
five years ago, if you'd have told me I'm in
the top twenty like in the league and that's in
the world, Like that's crazy.
Speaker 3 (15:12):
But at the end of the.
Speaker 4 (15:13):
Day, like now where I'm at, like there's always more,
And like I got that from coach Marinelli, Like he
texted me damn near every single day to this day.
And he's retired seventy five years old. I don't know
what the hell he's doing in his lab, but he's
he always text me it's more and improved. Like those
are the two words he always is preaching to me.
He's like, there's always more to do and there's always
room for improvement, and like you have to find what
(15:35):
that is every single day.
Speaker 3 (15:36):
So like for me, that's how my brain works.
Speaker 4 (15:38):
Like I could have a good game, i could have
a bad game, but like I'm always going to find
the things I got to get better at and apply
that into my practice and preparacing the next week.
Speaker 3 (15:46):
So that's what I feel like.
Speaker 4 (15:47):
The consistency part is like so big for me, and
what's taking my game to the next level is like
never getting content or too high or too low. It's like,
all right, I'm gonna stay right here, even keeled, and
just build off of it every single week. And that's
how you put together a great season, is not you know,
riding the roller coaster. You just gotta you know, let
the certain things you know how you know how you tick?
You know I know how I tack, you know how
you take it? Like for me, I'm gonna find that
(16:08):
and use it for a positive.
Speaker 1 (16:10):
That mentality has changed, bro, even in the last what
five years ago you were a rookie to now Bro, Yeah,
there was that like two or three years ago when
you were like, Bro, like I'm getting all these pressures,
but I'm like, the sacks aren't where they supposed to be.
Speaker 3 (16:21):
And we talked about it.
Speaker 2 (16:22):
You're like, Bro, like like how do I was like, Bro,
what do you like?
Speaker 1 (16:25):
It all comes around, Bro, If you're getting pressures, that
means you' getting closer as long as you as long
as I don't even remember the whole conversation, I was like, Bro,
as long as you're hunting, Like eventually, if you keep
stabbing at it, you're going to draw blood.
Speaker 2 (16:36):
You know what I'm saying.
Speaker 1 (16:39):
You took off after that, Bro, But like, does that
that competitive edge you have, that chippy wheel? Does that
also come from not saying smaller school, but like you
going in the you know, middle of the draft, that
that fourth round draft pick? Is that an extra added
mentality from like I didn't come from nothing, but like
they didn't they didn't respect me the way they were
supposed to.
Speaker 4 (16:55):
Yeah, you know, I always I've always felt like I've
been slept on, and I feel like I've always had
to go above and beyond to like prove my worth.
I know, it's a part of my journey, you know,
like being you know, I've been with the Raiders. You know,
we've had you know, three out of four years they
have made the playoffs, and it's been a struggle. Like
I was a fourth round pick, I had one offer
coming out of high school. Like I've always had to
(17:15):
go above and beyond and do what I do. But
it's like that's what makes me who I am, and
like I love it. I wouldn't change it for anything.
And like it is hard because I feel like, you know,
I don't always have the greatest, you know.
Speaker 3 (17:28):
Deck of cards.
Speaker 4 (17:29):
But at the end of the day, that's what makes
me who I am because I've always found a way,
Like I've never I never quit, Like no matter if
I start something, I'm gonna finish it. And that's how
I approach every single day. So like I love when
people doubt me. I love and they tell me, oh,
he's not like even last year, like I thought I
should have been an All Pro. Like that's I thought about
that all year and like you know when he played
lineman and like you have a good game and they'll
(17:51):
come out and be like, oh he got locked up,
he didn't get a sack, blah blah blah blah blah,
and then they'll show too clips and you're getting blocked
and like you kill them the rest of the time. Like, Bro,
that's sit mind. Like I don't want anybody to have
anything or anything. So like that's what it is for me. Bro,
It's every single day, like I'm just I'm just competitive shit,
Like it don't matter if I'm playing two k, if
I'm hanging in the back talking with the guys, like
(18:12):
it doesn't matter. I don't want anybody to have anything
over me. And like that's that's what pushed me every
single day.
Speaker 1 (18:18):
That's that's that one when you go gets office a
lineman and you've beating him outside inside, through and you're
coming right there at the quarterback. Bro, Like I'm like
there was there was times this last two games I'm
just like literally filling the lace on the ball and
being launched and I'm like, oh, the techle played good
against you. Yeah, you're like, you're like, bro, like it
(18:38):
was me, Like I didn't get there, but you know
that's on me, it's not him. He didn't stop me
either way. It was a quick, quick release whatever it was. Like,
But do you think some of that is like instinct
verse technique? Like yo, like you when you're looking at
your film for your spin move in that quarterback stepping
up and you have a hand on the shoulder and
he slips out of there. I know you've talked about
stretch of flexibility, grip strength, Like what what do you
(19:00):
think it is to finish in those plays?
Speaker 3 (19:02):
I think it's a combination.
Speaker 4 (19:03):
You know, you gotta have, Like I think that's you know,
differs between a pressure, like you can get pressures. You
know they count hurries and you know president they're all combined.
So like, yeah, if the ball's gone in two seconds
and you're beating them in one and a half, like
you can't do anything about that, but you're winning the rush,
Like that's what it really comes down to. If you're
winning a high percentage of rushes and you have natural
(19:23):
football instincts, you're reading your keys, you're playing with pad
level you're working that you work in practice, like the
guys that me and you like, Bro, we've been pro bowlers.
Like we trust our moves and we think we know
they're gonna work if we trust them and do them
the right way, and our pad levels right and our
eyes are right and our cell is right, like all
that matters. So like for me going into the game,
I'm trusting that process, like I'm gonna break down the film.
(19:45):
I'm gonna see what I can do better from the
week before, and like I'm gonna start looking at my opponent.
Speaker 3 (19:48):
How can I beat this guy? How can I dissect them?
Speaker 4 (19:50):
And like for me, it's not just like you know
when you talk about like finishing, that's finishing. Just you know,
every little detail matters. And like I talk about from
practice to the weight room, like the grip strength thing,
like I do grip after every workout now, like I've
done it for years now, just because that extra grab
and like.
Speaker 3 (20:07):
Wait, which which one?
Speaker 2 (20:09):
Which one do you do? Do you have?
Speaker 1 (20:10):
Do you have like the hand machines or do you
like I do my grip strength where like I hold
I hold the forty five pounds?
Speaker 3 (20:16):
What is it?
Speaker 1 (20:16):
Twenty two kilo weights and I do that for time
or then, like I started a couple of years ago,
our d line coach introduced like flipping these things. Now
I'm like flipping and catching, like I'm like on a Thursday,
I'm like flipping.
Speaker 2 (20:28):
Catching these forty five pound weights.
Speaker 1 (20:29):
Just like in those weeks that you don't have you
be like, all right, all right, what's because I do
have my finger? Not an excuse, but like gotta go,
just back to hole.
Speaker 2 (20:37):
What would be your favorite grip strength exercise?
Speaker 3 (20:39):
Would you say?
Speaker 4 (20:40):
Yeah, I would say my favorite, Like we do a
ton ton of different ones, Like today we had like
the fat grippers on, which are hard as hell, and
you deal with kettlebells and like you can't fully grip
and you're just shaking.
Speaker 2 (20:51):
I don't know about this. What do you wait? Wait, explain,
I got you.
Speaker 3 (20:56):
Yeah, this is different.
Speaker 2 (20:58):
But I was kettle with like thirty five forty pounds.
Speaker 4 (21:01):
No, you get like it's sixty I'll say sixty pounds kettlebell.
You do like you do like sessions, so you do
like thirty seconds with it with it and then twenty
seconds with a heavier weight, and then you do like
towel holes, so you wrap it around the kettlebell and
you hold with the towel and it's heavy, Like.
Speaker 3 (21:17):
Bro, I got it. I got some for You'll say.
Speaker 4 (21:20):
Bro, my god, I'm wanting to learn. I like, I'm
telling you Rick Slate my guy in here in the train.
He's one of my He's like the main guy works
out with me. He's my puts me through every workout.
Speaker 3 (21:30):
That dude, don't you don't start working out, bro, he's
an og. Bro, he's an og and he gets the right.
Speaker 2 (21:36):
You're going through prison workouts, yall workouts?
Speaker 3 (21:38):
What he has me screaming, like cussing him out. I'm
so mad. It hurts so bad, but it pays off
in the end.
Speaker 2 (21:44):
I'm not gonna lie, bro, Like you surprised me. What
was that this pass Pro Bowl?
Speaker 1 (21:47):
We were talking like, Bro, I'm working out here every
day still, like like there is no shut down for
me in the off season.
Speaker 2 (21:53):
Is there a shutdown period? When do you recoup the bod?
Speaker 1 (21:56):
Like for me, I have to like I gotta get
away fam like I disappear for like.
Speaker 3 (21:59):
A like yeah, no work it out, no Rarnie, like.
Speaker 2 (22:03):
I gotta eat, love my family love me.
Speaker 1 (22:06):
We're not in football season. I'm not necessarily like the greatest.
I don't think I'm the greatest dad, husband, brother, anything.
I'm like, Yo, it's Thursday, so Thursday through Sunday, I'm
locking the hell in, Like I don't even like to
do media by Wednesday is Friday, Like, don't ask me.
Speaker 2 (22:22):
Saturday, I am so locked in. I'm like, I got
things I have to do on Sunday. I'm not a
good person. Sunday I'm coming with bad intentions.
Speaker 1 (22:28):
When do you get away and become you know, like daddy, Max,
thank you, gotta love you.
Speaker 4 (22:34):
Yeah, No, honestly, bro, Like this was after my third
year and fourth year. Like I know, it was after
my second year and third year. I would start after
the Super Bowl That's when I would start training. And
this year, you know, we didn't make the playoffs, and
you know, I talked to my strength coach, I talked
to my nutrition's all this, and he was like, hey,
we're gonna start January thirtieth this year, and this is
(22:55):
why we're going to ease, you know, ease into the process.
Speaker 3 (22:57):
Boo boom, boom boom. He broke it down to me.
Speaker 4 (23:00):
You know, I have a team of people that all,
you know, collaborate and communicate here with the Raiders.
Speaker 3 (23:04):
So it was great, and I started.
Speaker 2 (23:06):
To hear your own team of people.
Speaker 3 (23:10):
Hey I'm here. I'm here by myself. You know what
I mean.
Speaker 4 (23:13):
When you when you hear about yourself, you get everybody,
you get all the resources. So yeah, you know, we
started January thirtieth, and so yeah, I took like two
and a half weeks off and I was back rolling,
but I was still meal prepping even after the season,
and like, I always want to stay in shape. And
no matter what I hate, there's nothing worse than going
and put eating like sh for two weeks and you
(23:33):
have to drop weight and then you're just wasting weeks
of work. And you know time you can improved by
trying to cut weight and then get back into shape.
So like, for me, I want to be in shape
all year round. So like that's how that's how it
is for me. It's really it's really all year round.
Speaker 2 (23:46):
Man, I said, that's what it takes.
Speaker 4 (23:48):
Bro.
Speaker 1 (23:48):
Like if that's if that's what Joe vibe is, that's
crazy work to me because I'm like, yo, I gotta
get away, like I'm eating, I'm eating.
Speaker 2 (23:54):
Like that little facire, bro, like I got.
Speaker 3 (23:56):
To eat well, We'll say well and come back.
Speaker 4 (23:58):
I'm like every week I'm eating good in the off season,
I will say that my Saturdays, I'm getting my cheat meal,
I'm getting Chipotle for lunch. I'm gonna eat something for dinner.
But like, besides that, you know that.
Speaker 1 (24:10):
One day a week cheating no, no off season like
a month, maam, Like you know you know this off
seat I went to. I went to Spain for two
and a half months. Oh, I start working out tonight
like last month and a half. That first month I
was there.
Speaker 2 (24:21):
I needed all of it.
Speaker 1 (24:22):
You know, big, I bet a harmon, the big big steaks.
What I need all of it. I was like, yo,
run that twice. My kids are looking at me like
Daddy's fluffy.
Speaker 3 (24:34):
Yeah he is, damn right, man.
Speaker 2 (24:37):
I worked hard to be fluffy. And then I'm gonna
get back right.
Speaker 1 (24:40):
All right, three quick questions I get you out of here, bro,
I said, twenty five minutes.
Speaker 2 (24:43):
He gone over twenty five minutes. Yeah, hey, bro, what's
your favorite cheapt meal?
Speaker 3 (24:47):
Favorite cheat meal?
Speaker 2 (24:49):
Don't tell me you what Chipotle got?
Speaker 4 (24:51):
Come on, come on, I was gonna see that's just
so easy for me to say it, but I would
say this and like this is my prison, like if
I was in prison, Like they're like you have one
meal left. I'm getting chicken, Fried's, steagle, mashed potatoes, cream cord, gravy,
all that.
Speaker 3 (25:04):
Like straight murders, murders.
Speaker 2 (25:07):
Favor favorite other edge rusher, edge rusher to watch.
Speaker 3 (25:13):
I'm gonna say.
Speaker 2 (25:16):
That, there's a lot of them.
Speaker 3 (25:17):
That's what I say.
Speaker 2 (25:18):
Take take, take Jordans.
Speaker 1 (25:21):
And you you're going t j okay, okay, to a
little what all right?
Speaker 2 (25:25):
And then now I'm not gonna do this to you.
Speaker 3 (25:28):
Favorite teammate, favorite teammate. I got a lot.
Speaker 4 (25:31):
I love them all, but I'm gonna have to say.
Speaker 3 (25:37):
I'm gonna say Devanteta my guy. We're like that's my brother.
Speaker 2 (25:43):
Okay, okay, last last question. Favorite tattoo. When you're done,
favorite tattoo.
Speaker 3 (25:47):
You got this.
Speaker 2 (25:47):
When I first met you, you had a little bit. Now
you've got this.
Speaker 4 (25:51):
I'm gonna say, my daughter. I got my daughter right here.
So yeah, holding down for Ella, no question.
Speaker 1 (25:57):
Absolutely appreciate you, bro, You you you monster bro. You
becoming a legend of the game, and like, keep on pushing,
keep on pressing. I appreciate you tapping in with me, Broth.
We'll text later, Bro, but I appreciate you for getting that.
Speaker 3 (26:08):
Appreciate you, Bro, your legend.
Speaker 2 (26:19):
So there you have it. It's a wrap.
Speaker 1 (26:21):
I just want to say a huge thank you to
all my awesome listeners for rocking with me. I've got
a whole locker room full of my favorite interviews from
season one coming your way.
Speaker 2 (26:29):
But before I go, you know the drill. Come on now.
Speaker 1 (26:32):
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