February 22, 2024 • 49 mins
On today's episode of The NFL Report: Steve Wyche and James Palmer discuss which teams should be looking to draft a quarterback in the 2024 NFL Draft, and who should pursue a signal-caller in free agency. Washington legend Doug Williams joins the guys to talk about this weekend's HBCU Legacy game in New Orleans, as well as the forecast for 2024 Commanders. NFL Media's Gregg Rosenthal stops by to talk about his top 101 free agents, as well as where Justin Fields and Russell Wilson might be playing next season.
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Speaker 1 (00:05):
This is Denna Salent, head coach of the New Orleans Saints,
and you're listening to the NFL Report. That's right, DA,
this is the NFL Report, and I'm Steve Whites with
my co pilot James Palmer and JP. Yeah, the NFL
season is over, but now we are in draft season
when college fans the NFL fans actually coalesce and believe
(00:27):
in the same thing, and that's finding out which one
of these college superstars or which these college superstars is
going to make their team better. And to help us
with that conversation today we have got Doug.
Speaker 2 (00:38):
Williams, one of the greatest ever do like personal athletic hero.
Speaker 1 (00:42):
We're also going to be joined by NFL Media's Greg
Rosenthal and we're talking free agents, and boy is rosie
packet a punch. But JP, let's talk about quarterbacks and
teams that need them.
Speaker 3 (00:57):
It's the most important position in all of sports, Steve,
If teams that have great ones or far above average
ones are constantly competitive and consistently in the super Bowl conversation,
we're gonna talk about eight teams that have varying Super
Bowl windows. Right now, those eight teams are not mentioned
in this block because they have quarterbacks. We'd like to
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talk a different group of eight teams, teams that are
desperate for a quarterback so they can get themselves into
that other group. Let's take a look at where some
of these teams stand. Here's where they're picking. You look
at the Bears with the first pick, Commanders, two Patriots,
three Giants, six Falcons, eight, Vikings eleven. Will break them
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down with the Kirk Cousins situation, Broncos twelve.
Speaker 4 (01:43):
Raiders, thirteen, Steelers twenty.
Speaker 3 (01:45):
Now, if you're looking towards the draft, and that's what
we'll cover first, Daniel Jeremiah, our draft expert Steve has
four going in the first round, that's quarterbacks, and four
going in the first eight picks, six total in his
top fifty prospects. So if we're looking at this group,
not everybody is going to land a quarterback in the draft.
Let's look at that first group of those teams picking
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maybe in the top three and then maybe include the
Giants at six. What do you see happening with a
couple of those teams.
Speaker 2 (02:14):
Well, look, some of these teams are gonna have to
get up.
Speaker 1 (02:16):
So we know the Chicago Bears have the first overall pick,
and the rampant speculation is it's going to be Caleb Williams,
a quarterback out of USC. So let's kind of move
on from them, because I've said the Washington Commanders at two,
this is where the draft actually starts.
Speaker 2 (02:32):
And do the Commanders maybe trade.
Speaker 1 (02:35):
Back a spot or two and still get their guy,
be it Drake, may be it Jaden Daniels out of LSU,
or do they sit there at two and not mess
around and make sure they get the quarterback that they want. Fine,
So now at three, the Patriots, they have to draft
a quarterback. Let's not play around. I don't think anyone's
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moving off that pick. So let's say three of these
quarterbacks are gone. Now JP a team like the Falcons
at eight. When we talk to Terry Fonte, though, I
very much got from the general manager that they want
to draft a quarterback. They're gonna have to leap frog
the Giants at six to get up and get a quarterback.
This is where the real chess starts getting played. So
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that's where I think the gamesmanship and the aggressiveness in
giving away draft picks comes into play big time, because
we're gonna get to in a minute. The veteran quarterbacks
out there on the market, including the trade value, just
aren't what you want to build your team around.
Speaker 4 (03:32):
I think you're exactly right.
Speaker 3 (03:33):
I love where the commanders sit because they're probably sitting
with a mindset of who do we like more, Jayden
Daniels or Drake May and a lot of evaluators. It's
still very early and we'll be talking this over the
next few months. The combine is not even here, but
a lot of evaluators I've already spoken to Steve have
these two much closer than maybe people assume.
Speaker 4 (03:53):
And so who do you like best?
Speaker 3 (03:55):
I think that plays a big part of this who
fits your scheme best? And I think the commanders are
in a very good spot to pick either one of
the two or if they don't force your.
Speaker 4 (04:07):
Hand at two.
Speaker 3 (04:07):
That's the other part of it, and you want to
see who wants to come up. I think mentioning the
Falcons coming up, I think is a very very poignant message.
I think that is a team that maybe doesn't really
look to go the veteran route. I know some people
have tied justin fields. We'll go to him in a second,
but it just gets the sense we had Terry Fottna
on this show, Steve didn't. He just sound like we
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value draft picks. We value though building through the draft.
In a young quarterback coming in, even if we have
to move up for him, looks to be more something
the Falcons would do. Remember, they have established, you could say,
roster Steve on both sides of the ball, to where
they could think they could give up a future first
round pick to move up for mate. They have plenty
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of salary cap space, they could make that jump. I
think that's one team you really have to keep an
eye on moving up, as well as the Giants sitting
at six because they don't have to go up as far.
I find New England faascinating sitting there at three. I
really do, just because of where they're going to stand
with what I'm what we're saying with picks one and two.
Speaker 1 (05:07):
Yeah, I'm with you, and just real quick, you know
we're looking at and the know the Vikings at eleven,
the Broncos at twelve, and the Steelers at twenty. That's
going to be very hard for them to get up.
That's a ton of freight JP. But one player who's
connected to some of those teams. Not all of them, well,
a couple of them is justin Field. Let's hear what
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he had to say on the Brown Brothers podcast about
his situation, in which he sounds like he knows he's
gone from Chicago.
Speaker 5 (05:40):
Do you want to stay in Chicago or what's up? Yeah?
Speaker 6 (05:42):
Of course, of course I want to stay, to be honest,
but I'll be trying to, like, you know, with all
the talk, it's hard to you know, I guess kind
of just boom being one place, but I can't see
myself playing in another place. But I know how that
league is, Like he was probably the same way before
you left Green Bay. But I mean, if it was
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up to me, I would want to stay in Chicago.
I love the city, the city's lit, the fans they're
you know, they're great, and the people. But it's a business.
I an't got no control over it, so whatever happens happens.
But I feel like the biggest thing with all this
going on right now, I just wanted to be over, like,
just let me know if I'm getting traded, let me
know if I'm staying this and that.
Speaker 3 (06:24):
I think we all feel the same way, justin I
think we all want to know if you're getting traded
or not, because I do think this is kind of
the lynchpin of this offseason right now, Steve, because there's
so few veteran quarterbacks that could land a spot and
if a team desperately wants them, which is something the
Chicago Bears probably are banking on, to my understanding, they're
evaluating all of this. They're going to go in g
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Indianapolis with a plan. Obviously not tell anybody that plan,
but Ryan Poles is going to sit there and listen
to every offer that is out there for justin fields
and every offer that's out there for number one. What
fascinates me most about field, Steve is we've seen flash
of a really, really good quarterback. Go ask Sean Payton
who he faced in the first half of their game
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against the Chicago Bears, and then look at who he
faced in the second half.
Speaker 4 (07:09):
It was almost like two different guys. But what you
would be doing is the guess is.
Speaker 3 (07:13):
Giving up a a second round pick or a third
round pick for a quarterback that you could essentially have
for the next two seasons with his fistier option for
really a grand total of about twenty.
Speaker 4 (07:25):
Five million dollars. That's not a terrible spot to be in.
Speaker 3 (07:29):
If you don't love one of these quarterbacks at the
top of the draft and don't have the ability to
trade up for one of them, you could use a
second or third round pick and get two years to
evaluate Justin Fields. Is that accurate if you want to
take a jump at him.
Speaker 2 (07:42):
Yeah, I would say so.
Speaker 1 (07:43):
I mean the finance, the financial aspect of it is
clearly a boom, especially because he's such a boom or
bust type of roll of the dice. And at the
same time, I look at some of the teams who
were talking about the Falcons, their new coordinator Zach Robinson's
coming from la Eric Goff and Matthew Stafford.
Speaker 2 (08:01):
That scheme does not fit Justin Fields. Right, you're looking.
Speaker 1 (08:05):
I told you we talked about Pittsburgh and Arthur Smith
wanted no parts of him in the draft. Don't see
him getting sweet on Justin Fields all of a sudden,
the Bronco as you mentioned Sean Payton, accuracy is his
number one thing in a quarterback that is not Justin
Field's history. So once again, with the thirteenth overall pick,
I like the Raiders making a trade for Justin Fields
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with one of their later round picks. They've got the
thirteenth pick to kind of add to maybe get him
some more weapons. He said, Chicago is lit, Vegas is
more lit, so that if he wants to be looking
in at the environment, he can go that that fan
base would love him.
Speaker 2 (08:42):
Let's also look at kurtk Couzins.
Speaker 3 (08:44):
Do you find it interesting though, Steve, that like you
go and get Getzi out of Chicago and then you
repair him with Justin Fields as quarterback?
Speaker 4 (08:53):
Is that kind of bizarre?
Speaker 2 (08:55):
We don't and we don't see that happen. But I mean, what.
Speaker 4 (08:59):
Else, that's what we're gonna do.
Speaker 1 (09:00):
Where they gonna go, Okay, kirk Cousins, right, Kirk Cousins
is like that the Wilson Russell Wilson.
Speaker 4 (09:07):
So I'm gonna give you what they're going to do.
Speaker 2 (09:09):
What they can do, Steve, what do you get They
could go.
Speaker 3 (09:12):
After Kirk Cousins. They could go after Kirk Cousins. You
know why they could? They could thank Jimmy Garoppolo for
that because of his ped suspension. They are off the
hook for a good chunk of money. It's about eleven
point two five million off and then another eleven point
two five million off because of what transpired with the suspension.
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We do know that Kirk Cousins could be somebody that
could fit into what they do down there.
Speaker 4 (09:37):
DeVante Adams likes him a lot.
Speaker 3 (09:39):
Set it this offseason, say that he's a quarterback that
can find you in the football no matter where you
are in the field. This could be something if they
believe they can compete right away, and I think Antonio
Pierce does believe that they're one of the few teams
that could compete right away, and I think that's why
they could be one of the very few teams that
could be interested in Kirk Cousins. The other part of
it is, remember last year when the when the Las
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Vegas Raiders were looking to trade up maybe to one
or two for a quarterback, didn't do it. What happens
in Houston with CJ. Stroud at number two? Do they
go we gotta go up and get somebody? What does
Mark Davis say about that? I find the Cousins situation
very interesting because it's him, it's Field Steve, and then
he mentioned it's Baker Mayfield, and then that might be
it for your veteran options before you get into Ryan
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Tannehill and say Gardner Minshew.
Speaker 2 (10:26):
Whoa and I love Hey.
Speaker 1 (10:28):
Are you saying that Russ is moving out of his
thirty five million dollars manson to go slumming?
Speaker 2 (10:33):
He's going down here.
Speaker 1 (10:34):
Don't know what you do with the town Holmes with
like Matt Jones and Ryan Tannehill, give me.
Speaker 3 (10:39):
The spot that will Land Russell Wilson and maybe I'll
just tease it. We'll discuss that with Greg Rosenthal later
in the show.
Speaker 4 (10:48):
Steve.
Speaker 3 (10:48):
Let's get to our special guest though, in the next block. Steve,
Let's get to our nestal guest in the next block
and Doug Williams Super Bowl champion quarterback. Doug Williams, to
be specific, and also right now is the senior advisor
for President Jason Wright in Washington. We're gonna get his
take on the HBCU Legacy Bowl that you're at right now, Steve,
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but we're also gonna get his take on the quarterbacks
coming out in the straft.
Speaker 1 (11:24):
The best draft al duel players from historically black colleges
and universities put on the pads one last time so
they're worthy of getting drafted.
Speaker 2 (11:32):
The third annual.
Speaker 1 (11:33):
All State HBCU Legacy Bowl Saturday, four pm Eastern, exclusively
on NFL Network and streaming on NFL Plus. Oh JP,
you know, I'm down here Yomen Stadium at Tulane with
all the greats, and we're joined by the greatest, my hero,
my man, co founder of the Black College Football Hall
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of Fame, co founder of the HBCU Legacy Bowl, Doug Williams.
Speaker 2 (11:58):
Doug, appreciate you joining us.
Speaker 5 (12:00):
Thanks Thve for having me Man. I appreciate being on.
Speaker 2 (12:03):
So as I did that beautiful read right there.
Speaker 1 (12:06):
This is the third annual, you know, time we've done
this down here with this HBCU Legacy Bawl. We saw
last year, Doug, about fifteen guys from this game get
at a minimum rookie camp tryouts.
Speaker 2 (12:19):
Several of them made rosters.
Speaker 1 (12:22):
We saw the dB Bolden out of Jackson State get
drafted by the Patriots three years ago. You and James
Shack Harris came up with the concept for this game.
Now that you look at some of the success you
had at getting players from historically black colleges and universities
to the NFL, what can you say about the purpose
and the success of what's happened here.
Speaker 5 (12:42):
Well, you know what I can say, from year one
to where we are today, I feel pretty good about that,
but still not satisfying. And I think this year crop
of guys, you know, we got way more talent that
showed up this year than we have had since we've
been here. There's no doubt in my mind. You know,
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anywhere from five to six guys should be drafted. I mean,
I don't do the drafted, but I'm saying that should
be and not only that, but should get many more
get an opportunity to end up as free agent or
get an opportunity in somebody's training camp that they can
earn their right onto a team. And it makes me
feel good. And James and how we talk about this
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all the time about opportunity, and what we're doing here
is giving these guys an opportunity.
Speaker 4 (13:29):
I love that, Doug, because we know.
Speaker 3 (13:30):
One of my favorite things about the NFL is if
you're talented, league, teams are going to try to go
out there and find you, and you can find your
way into the NFL in a variety of ways. Every
team is down there, Every team in the NFL is
represented down there. Looking at these players. What have you
heard from that side of things about what you've built
over the last three years in terms of the caliber
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of players that the league is making sure they go
down there and take a decent look at I.
Speaker 5 (13:57):
Think what has happened This gals not a little freeboy
by telling you about certain players. At first, they was
kind of like everybody else. I don't know, but I
think what they've seen from this combine and from these practices.
You know they call our people name man and you
know running back Howard he stood out like a soul thumb.
Speaker 2 (14:18):
We got Jarvin Howard from UH.
Speaker 5 (14:20):
From w he had August Petrice from Southern University, the
guy that's in law school. And then you had the
offensive lineman. A lot of people don't they don't get
a lot of love sometimes, but that's one lineman here
that that really jumped out at me. And that's that's
him Hill from Texas Southern. And then you got the
right the Owings from Texas Southern who had a great year.
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You know, he showed up. And you know we got Smith,
the defensive back. He's an undersized guy, but we know
he can run fast and tight end man. We got
this tight end number fifteen. I'll tell you what. If
he's not a pass catcher, he certainly should be somebody blocker.
And he from Steve's school. Now, you know, we talked
about the tight end from Steve's school, but if you
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watch him through the week, he has probably been one
of the most consistent players on the field as for
his running round and catching the ball.
Speaker 1 (15:12):
Yeah, you're talking about Brendan Brown, the tight end from
Howard who's been excellent, and James. There's a tight end
out of Arkansas Pine Bluff named Tristan Ballard.
Speaker 2 (15:21):
Dude, his body like this is one where an NFL.
Speaker 1 (15:26):
Team sees him and immediately is like, I don't care
about anything. We got to get him into a camp
just because he's he's listed at six five, two forty,
but his body should be in the louver right it isn't.
He hasn't dropped the pass. He he looks very well coached.
I mean, he he's not a raw product. He looks
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pretty polic So it don't it'd be interesting to see
if he gets, you know, into a camp.
Speaker 5 (15:53):
Not only that, but but his body alone gets him
into a camp. Because you look at a guy that
plays tight end, you know there's something you got tight
ends today, they can get running backs to the Eds.
And then he's the guy that if you teach it right,
he's a guy that can get you to the Eds.
You know, I affirm to bleed that. And the quarterbacks.
You know, we can't take nothing away from these quarterbacks
because Musa at times that looked real good. And Richard's man,
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he's just a guy that in today's game. But what
Richard can do from a running standpoint, and he's not
a runner, but he can throw the football. But you know,
if the rush come, he can get away. And that's
what you like in your quarterback today, because if you
can't get away from the rush today, you in trouble.
Speaker 2 (16:37):
Right you're talking about Davis Richard. We're seeing right here.
Speaker 1 (16:39):
He's a two time MIACT Offensive Player of the Year,
one of the best offensive players to come out of
black college football in years. And you also mentioned Jeremy Moosha,
he's SWACKED Offensive Player of the Year, the quarterback out
of Florida A and M who started his career at
Hawaii also had to stop in Vanderbilt before he went
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down there and lit it up for the rat and
so so We're looking a little bit at Moosha right now.
Doug Moosa is somebody you know you heard lear me
talk about he's got his third his third Division I program.
But this week we see he's got the incredible arm talent,
but the consistency is.
Speaker 2 (17:18):
The big question mark with him.
Speaker 1 (17:20):
Is someone who evaluates quarterbacks When you look at someone
like him who can put the ball just anywhere, but
hasn't generated the consistency like that, What does that tell
you is that somebody you want to give a look
on talent alone and you coach him up or.
Speaker 5 (17:33):
Do you think I think as a coach you you
love then opportunity to work with him, because at the
end of the day, it's all about the middle part
of it. And you know, when you see a receiver,
all of them not gonna be wide open. Somewhere along
the line. You got to be that guy to put
it where he can get open. And I think that's
the one thing that is hampering him is not letting
the ball go when they even you know, that's the
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old police saying, when they even they leave it, he
wants to see weight and all the time you're not
going to run with You got to give him a
chance to make make the play, and I think once
he gets the mind up to get the ball out
of his hand to look quicker than what he has,
he'll be all right.
Speaker 3 (18:10):
I gotta change gears here for a moment, though, because
your former team in Washington is in need of a
quarterback as well.
Speaker 4 (18:17):
We're sitting here breaking down current team.
Speaker 3 (18:21):
Still your team, I mean former team as in you
used to be the quarterback. They're still employed by the team,
still working there with Jason Wright and working there at
the front office. I understand, but you used to play
that position.
Speaker 4 (18:33):
There in Washington. What what is you know?
Speaker 3 (18:36):
What is your thought on how quickly things with a
new regime there the number two pick cap space, there's
still talent on that roster on both sides. On how
quickly things can start to turn around in Washington.
Speaker 5 (18:49):
I think I think we're gonna surprize the people. I
think we'd be a lot quicker than a lot of
people expect, you know, because of the cap space that
we do have, because of the draft capital that we
do have. You know, when you got five picks within
the first one hundred and you got what eighty some
million dollars cash space. We got something to work with.
And I think the coaching staff that has been assimilate
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by Dan Quinn and and Adam speaks volume of the
guys in there. You know, the building feels so much
different from because you got guys from from different places.
It's not a bunch of guys from one place coming
in after leaving another place. You got guys from different
different culture, with different attitude, with different mentality, but they're
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all it is working towards the same goal and that's
getting the commanders up to snuff. And I really think
that this year is gonna be a surprise year for
a lot of people and not gonna surprise us because
you know, talking to Dan, Dan is that type of guy.
He knows what he wants and I think he'll get
it done.
Speaker 2 (19:48):
Well, you mentioned dan quincho.
Speaker 1 (19:50):
Let's goin to keep on with that, because when they
had his introductory video, you're the first person he walked
up to with his hat on backwards.
Speaker 2 (19:56):
He said, Ah, Doug, what's up?
Speaker 6 (19:58):
Bro?
Speaker 1 (19:59):
But you know, well, you know Dan is that dude, right,
He is somebody. When you're around him for two minutes,
you want to be around him for two years. How
do you know the cultureship that's going on there that
Dan Quinn is such an ideal fit.
Speaker 5 (20:14):
Let me tell you that that morning that he walked
into the building, and what I did. I stood back,
you know, because I know Dan, I'm you know over
the years, and I just stood back.
Speaker 7 (20:23):
You know.
Speaker 5 (20:24):
I think what happened when Dan walked in that building, man,
you could just see the whole building change, the people
that was greeting him. And he looked over and said, oh, Doug,
you know to me, that was that old thing for him.
And you know the same time, you could feel the
whole building kind of shaken a little bit because they
was glad to see him walk through that and it
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hadn't been anything different than when he walked through the
first day than it is today because the whole building,
the people that's in that building, they feel pretty good
because the way he come in with his infections attitude.
Everybody is somebody to Dan, and that's what makes the difference.
Nobody is above anybody, you know, everybody feel the same.
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And working with Adams, you know, it's just a different
feeling in that building today.
Speaker 4 (21:11):
I love that, Doug.
Speaker 3 (21:12):
I feel like every conversation I ever had with Q
in my life kind of just stays with me.
Speaker 4 (21:16):
It just has an impact in some sense.
Speaker 3 (21:18):
It just kind of just sticks with you because it's
so engaging and I've learned so much from him about
the game just interacting with him, and I love that aspect.
Before we go, Doug, I do have to ask you this,
being a quarterback, you've spent so much time for your
current team evaluating quarterbacks over the years.
Speaker 4 (21:36):
What have you learned in this process?
Speaker 3 (21:38):
Maybe just I don't know if it's overlapping, but just
certain traits you've seen over the years that just are
value to you when they translate into the league. Is
there anything that stands out with the number of guys
you've evaluated?
Speaker 5 (21:50):
Yeah, you know. My thing is I like a number one,
a tough guy, you know, who don't mind standing there
getting getting the job done. But at the same time,
you got to be smart enough to know when you
have to move, when to throw the ball away, not
to take a sack in times. You know, I look
at it now from the time I played, and I
know it's been a long time ago, but you watched
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a lot of these quarterbacks they'll take a sack running
to throw it away. I'm a firm believer. Don't take
a sack because you put your team in a worse situation.
Now you know it was second down in ten, you
get sacked nine, third down and sixteen to me, throw
the ball away. But a lot of them, I think
is worried about their passing percentage and they they take
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a sack. I don't know that that's hurting the team,
but it's helping them from a percentage standpoint. And I've
seen a lot of that over the years, and I've
just been the whole school. That's the one thing that
rubs me the wrong way.
Speaker 2 (22:45):
Interesting, very very chy.
Speaker 1 (22:47):
I have never thought about that or hurt anyone say
something about that.
Speaker 2 (22:51):
Doug.
Speaker 1 (22:51):
Doug, we can sit here and talk all day. We
know you got to get back down here at the
field of two lane. We got another practice coming up.
Thank you so much for joining us. Thank you so
much what you've done with the Black College Football Hall
of Fame and this All State HBCU Legacy Bowl. Creating
opportunity for folks to get until the NFL.
Speaker 5 (23:11):
That's what coach Rob always saying. All it takes is
an opportunity.
Speaker 2 (23:16):
Well, there we go. Appreciate you, Doug.
Speaker 8 (23:18):
Coming up next on the NFL Report, are some teams
window narrowing or some as wide open as the patio
living room Leni in front of James Palmer's house. We'll
find out more on the NFL Report when we come back.
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What the catch? Kansas City?
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Speaker 4 (24:07):
History class for the first time. And six thousand, nine
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Speaker 3 (24:13):
Forty four days there is a back to back Super
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If you're watching the show, Steve, you don't see it
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back shots. You'll see that very often. But Bucky Brooks
had this on NFL dot Com and we wanted to
break it down a little bit for you. Here are
eight teams that he believes have the biggest Super Bowl windows.
Right now, Steve and I do not believe all of
these windows are of the same size, are of the
same quality. But let's start from the top and will
work our way all the way down. As the Kansas
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City Chiefs have a window, Steve. It's one of those
Florida ceiling type windows Hawaii, and they just kind of
fold into the wall entirely and the entire space is
now indoor outdoor living.
Speaker 4 (25:06):
That window is massive.
Speaker 3 (25:08):
They have pillars and Andy Reid, Steve Spagnolo, and Patrick Mahomes.
They've learned to win in a new way this past year,
which I think makes them even more dangerous because Mahomes
is developing different ways to beat you now. And I
do believe in their general manager, Brett Veach, is going
to be very aggressive in getting him another weapon this
offseason that helps them move forward in the world they'll
be living in after Travis Kelcey and I want to
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sneak this in real quick. Harrison Bucker, one of the
best kickers in the game is there at Kansas City, Steve,
and I think we saw this postseason how important that
is to consistent success in the postseason.
Speaker 4 (25:41):
The Chiefs have it all right now in the biggest window.
Speaker 1 (25:44):
Which is why Yeah, I mean, I know, yeah, they
you got the biggest window because of fifteen, right, I
mean that window is not going anywhere. We've seen the
Chiefs reinvent themselves twice now as well. You lose Tyreek Hill,
you win with a revamped offense line with a Super
Bowl there last, you're saying, Okay, we didn't need that
explosive wide receiver to win. Then they reinvent themselves this
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year as a defensive team. So you've got the best
player in the NFL and Patrick Mahomes. You've got an
organization that finds ways to rebuild itself, much like the
Patriots did during its dynasty, and like we've seen some
NBA teams do during their dynasties.
Speaker 2 (26:23):
LUs take it to the fact that that defense JD.
Speaker 4 (26:27):
Is young as hell.
Speaker 1 (26:29):
Almost all of the guys in the secondary are like
third to fifty year players or second to fifth year players.
So they're going to be around for a while. And
we could sit there and talk about salary cap. Salary cap.
They've already got the quarterback paid. They know how to
divvy things up in a way where they can keep
the nucleus of this team together for quite some time.
All right, let's go to another team Bucky listed that
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is a Detroit Lions wide open. Another huge window. I mean,
this is as big as Ford Field. This is a
very young team. He's a very young head coach and
general manager who have established a format on how to
rebuild through the draft. Jared Goff has shown he's a
fine quarterback. I mean, they don't have to do anything
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at that position either. They get themselves a little bit
more help off the edge and on the interior defense
to stop the run, little help of the secondary. I
mean I said three big things, but they're not major things.
I think Detroit is going to be a player for
a quite some time JP.
Speaker 3 (27:28):
Because I see some similarities outside of the quarterback, which
Jared Goff is very good, and they can win a
lot of games and they can win a Super Bowl
with Jared Goff. I see the similarities in terms of
head coach and GM being lockstep in terms of how
you're building this. You mentioned the young defense, The Chiefs have.
The young nucleus that this Detroit Lions team has might
be the best young core of players in all of football.
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From Jamior Gibbs, Sam Laporta, Aiden Hutchinson, Brian Brandon Branch,
all of these Jack cong the list goes on and honestly,
for how youthful and good this group is, and also
liked Kansas City Chiefs. We saw this past year. In
one season, we've seen the Lions win games in a
variety of ways. Steve and I think that's a big,
big part of this. Next the Ravens, who I believe
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Steve was the best team in football during the regular
season this past year. And two things stand out to me.
Most Lamar Jackson won the MVP in his first year
in a new system. I think that's a pretty good
start to this window that they're in right now. The
second part is you and I have talked about this.
I don't think there's another team in football to where
they lose players within the season and you're thinking they're
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key players, and they find ways to continuously keep winning.
It's because the roster's so well built. It's because they're
so deep, and the coaching staff is so good, and they.
Speaker 1 (28:38):
Lose coaches every year, they lose front office guys every year,
and they're still because of the institutional stability that they
have there one of the best organizations in the NFL.
Speaker 2 (28:48):
Plus they've got Lamar.
Speaker 1 (28:50):
All right, GP, let's go for some of the bigger
windows to the Dallas Cowboys.
Speaker 2 (28:54):
I have them with boilers windows.
Speaker 1 (28:57):
You know you might see on about the eighty seven
floor of a hotel, like it's way too small for you, that's.
Speaker 2 (29:04):
Not opening up.
Speaker 1 (29:05):
I think this is a they're on about a one
year window. As your head coach, Mike McCarthy got one
year left on his deal. They're aging on the offensive line,
They've they've got an absolutely you know, star studded secondary,
and you know, guys like Micah Pargin's on the defense.
But it's still kind of a hodgepodge of talent. But
I think offensively, Dak in that one year window with
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Mike McCarthy's why that window to me isn't a big one.
Speaker 3 (29:31):
Yeah, And I think Bucky has them here because I
think Dak took his game to another level this past season,
added some things about playing more consistently outside of the pocket,
extending plays. I think that's a big part of this
offense moving forward. But I do think losing dan Quinn
is a big knock, not just to the defense. You
know this Cowboys locker room really well, Steve, It's to
the entire team in what dan Quinn was able to
do there in Dallas I'm interested to see how wig
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this window is moving on to the forty nine ers next.
I think mainly Steve. I'll just say this for two
two main reasons. It's one, John Lynch and Kyle Shanahan
had built something brilliant together in terms of how they
build a team. To you, brock Party on a rookie
contract with a lot of talent around him.
Speaker 2 (30:08):
That's what I'm saying. This window's kind of like with
this nucleus is a two year window.
Speaker 1 (30:11):
That's not saying they can't continue on if brock Perty
keeps on doing his thing, but they've got so much talent.
But at some point you've already seen some signs of
age on Eric Armstead. It was a little banged up
this year as well, Fred Warner, George Kittle, Trent Williams,
like some of these guys, all of a sudden, Father
time is.
Speaker 2 (30:28):
Gonna come knocking on the door.
Speaker 1 (30:29):
So I think this nucleus has got about another two
years to kind of get through. Plus we're also seeing
teams like Detroit some other teams that we're gonna be
talking about in just a few seconds knocking on the window.
Let's go to the Cleveland Browns and the AFC North
because Okay, this window can slide open a little bit.
I think they've got enough talent on their defense, and
they've got a great coaching staff, but I think the
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division and you know, there's just something about offensively, can
they consist lead, just do enough to keep up with
the Cincinnaties of the world, in the Ravens of the world,
and even Pittsburgh to that point.
Speaker 3 (31:06):
Steve, this is one of those windows that's in a
bathroom that's all cloudy and you can't see through it
like it's there. But I'm not sure like you can
really see through this window because I'm just I covered
Deshaun Watson a lot.
Speaker 4 (31:19):
When he was in Houston, and we haven't in.
Speaker 3 (31:21):
Four years now seem him play like he did as
one of the best quarterbacks in football in twenty twenty.
And yes he's coming off of an injury to his
throwing shoulder. I just find this to be a fascinating window.
We know what Jim Schwartz brings, we know the defense,
they have a new offensive coordinator and Ken Dorsey. How
is Nick Chubb coming back off of the massive knee
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injury had I find this one just very fascinating. I'm
a little more certain, honestly about the next one.
Speaker 4 (31:47):
In the Green Bay Packers.
Speaker 3 (31:48):
I think what we saw in the way they finished
the season, with the way Jordan Love played with young
pieces that are interchangeable to make things difficult on defenses.
And we know they have a good defense. They change
defensive coordinators, but this screw. I think I have more
confidence in a window as I do than the Cleveland Browns.
Speaker 1 (32:05):
I do too, in terms of like a window being sizeable,
because right now they've got a nice window, and Chip
and Joanna are on their way up from Waco, Texas
from the Magnolia rehab and they're getting ready to build
a whole new unit because you've got Jordan Love and
his receiving corps growing together. Now they've got to replenish
that offensive line a little bit because David Boxieri we
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saw injuries of this completely stapped him and left tackle.
But with their running backs and what they've got established,
I think this is a team that just did it
right again. All Right, New York Jets are on Buckis'
list is having a window. This window right here is
made out of kleenex.
Speaker 4 (32:46):
Right.
Speaker 1 (32:46):
There's no team that has a more urgent push to
get to the super Bowl. Otherwise you talk about something
flaming out, it just doesn't It just they're built absolutely
for Aaron Rodgers to come back to win. They have
talent somehow. The team won seven games last year without
Aaron Rodgers. But if it doesn't work, they're gonna blow
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out everybody. Oh but they're still gonna be stuck with
like ten fantastic third and fourth year players because they
drafted so well. But they've got to retool it again.
So if they don't win it this year, that kind
of janky assemblage of the program they have there is
just a weird type of setup.
Speaker 2 (33:27):
JP.
Speaker 3 (33:27):
I love these window analogies we're using. Steve I used
to take a Greyhound about eleven hours home from college,
you know, you know, sporadically, the little tiny window that
opens at the top of a Greyhound that just lets
a little bit of air in. That's kind of the
Jets window that I'm looking at. This is a forty
year old quarterback, yes, a four time MVP, yeah, But
a forty year old quarterback coming off of an achilles,
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with an offensive line that needs to be completely put
back together and I think that to me stands out. Yes,
there's talent other spots. They have top tier talent, honestly
at some very important spots, say pass rushers and corners
and wide receivers and lone secker. But I just look
at that offensive line and it really makes me scared behind.
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You know, that's protecting Aaron Rodgers. Is there anybody on
this list that you think should be on this list
that's not that's not.
Speaker 1 (34:16):
I'm gonna say the Los Angeles Rams because I think
over the next two years they've got an opportunity to
get back to the Super Bowl and win one. Matthew
Stafford again, we have not talked about how well he
played last year.
Speaker 2 (34:27):
He was fantastic.
Speaker 1 (34:28):
You've got some peaches, Cooper Cups still there, Pooper Nakua
is still there, Rob Havnstein, their tackle is still there,
Kyron Williams and Money Aaron Donald. They have got pieces.
Speaker 2 (34:37):
Oh and JP.
Speaker 1 (34:38):
You know what else they have this year that they
haven't had for twenty sixteen, A first round pick and
cap space. I think this is a team that's going
to be very aggressive because they know they got a
couple more years in Matt Stafford and Aaron Donald and
Cooper Cup and they want to get back to the
title game. They've got the personnel and the coaching staff
to do so.
Speaker 4 (34:56):
I love that.
Speaker 3 (34:57):
Look at how dangerously we're down the stretch this past season,
in a year where everybody was like, who's playing what spot,
We're regrouping, we're rebuilding, and there they were at the
end of the season, playing really, really good football. On
Matthew Stafford playing brilliant football in his last game of
the season, even though.
Speaker 4 (35:10):
He came up short.
Speaker 3 (35:11):
I'm looking at the Philadelphia Eagles, Steve, and I look
at a team that was maybe a questionable holding call
away from winning the Super Bowl two years ago, and
now they're not even on this list. They were ten
to one at one point and then obviously things just
spiraled out of control at the back end of the season.
But you still have one of the better offensive lines
in football, maybe the best wide receiver duo in all
of football, and aj Brown and Demonte Smith the top
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five tight end in Dallas Goddard. I think the defense
needs to get faster, needs to get younger, but I
think having them not on this list, in the Super
Bowl window not being opened, are we forgetting what Howie
Roseman has done over the last five six years. When
they made the mistake of giving Carson Wentz a contract,
and everybody thinks that should sink a franchise.
Speaker 4 (35:50):
It didn't.
Speaker 3 (35:51):
In Philadelphia. Howie Roseman is one Executive of the Year
multiple times over the last couple of years. And if
anybody can fix things quickly in some spots of need,
I think it's Howie Roseman. So WOU I would look
at Philly as still having a Super Bowl window right now,
and Steve we didn't mention the Bengals, but Joe Burrow
tells us the windows as long as he's playing.
Speaker 2 (36:10):
And he's one thousand percent correct.
Speaker 1 (36:12):
I want to get back to the Eagles real quick
because the biggest holes at High Rosen need to defea
are on that coaching staff. You know that that to fix,
I should say, is on that coaching staff. They made
the changes. We'll see if that gets things back together
to mesh with some of that talent. But that was
the issue. You know, you hear about all the stuff
going on up there. I think that's how the Eagles
can get back. You know what else teams can get
back is to free agency Russell Wilson's not a free
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agent yet, but he's going to be out there, all right.
Can Russell Wilson, who we said is moving on down
in home value.
Speaker 2 (36:43):
Is you're gonna make a difference.
Speaker 1 (36:44):
So we're gonna talk to our Greg Rosenthal after the
break here on the NFL Sport all that tape Elsie.
All right, we are back at the NFL Report Steve
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Whitch here with my guy James Palmer, and we're bringing
in NFL media is Greg Rosenthal and Rosie, you've got
a great column coming out on Monday. I know it's
great even though it hasn't come out yet, because you're
talking about some of the free agents that are about
to hit the market.
Speaker 2 (37:23):
JP and I. You know, we love you so much.
Speaker 5 (37:25):
Greg.
Speaker 1 (37:25):
We're gonna we're gonna put a twist on it because
some of the guys we're gonna talk about aren't quite
free agents yet.
Speaker 2 (37:30):
Okay, you're good with that.
Speaker 7 (37:31):
I'm good with whatever.
Speaker 9 (37:33):
You know, two of the most respected and handsome men
at the NFL I want to do.
Speaker 3 (37:36):
Yeah, we're right into it.
Speaker 5 (37:39):
Here we go.
Speaker 1 (37:41):
All right, so let's let's dive in Russell Wilson, who
is still under contract for not much longer with the
Denver Broncos.
Speaker 2 (37:48):
We'll play where in twenty twenty four.
Speaker 9 (37:52):
Oh my gosh, he's so hard to figure out. I
don't think it's Pittsburgh, which people have thrown out there.
I'm gonna throw in Washington and he'll be like a
backup slash one b to whoever the number two overall
pick is, because that's the role I see him, and
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it's not the role that he's going to want.
Speaker 7 (38:14):
But when when you.
Speaker 9 (38:15):
Guys look around the league, where do you see the
starting opportunities for Russell Wilson? Necessarily I don't really see him.
So I think he could fit more as a guy
that is paired with a rookie, And for some reason,
he just seems like a guy who would land in
Washington and maybe he's their week one starter, but whoever
they draft is their week five starter.
Speaker 2 (38:34):
Thank you, Rose.
Speaker 3 (38:36):
I could kind of see that because because if you
look at it like we're looking at all these and
earlier in the show we broke it down all these
quarterback needy teams that are near the top of the draft,
or teams like Atlanta or the Giants that might want
to trade up a little bit, and then there's that
group that the Vikings and the Broncos and the Raiders
are all part of.
Speaker 4 (38:53):
In the other part of the first round.
Speaker 3 (38:55):
Maybe somebody you know, or a couple of teams end
up settling for that next group of quarterbacks that are
in the second round, and Russell Wilson is paired at
one of those because I do believe and Steve I
agree with Greg like he is probably in the bridge
quarterback type of range right now for where he lands,
and there's not a lot of spots where that player
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actually is needed, which makes this really kind of fascinating.
Speaker 4 (39:21):
So we'll stick with the quarterback spot.
Speaker 3 (39:23):
This guy is not a free agent, Greg, And we're
just deviating entirely from this article that we're discussing and
promoting Justin Fields. Yes, where will he get traded? Justin Fields?
And the Greg Rosenthal brain, Where does Justin Fields go?
Speaker 9 (39:39):
I think the Raiders make a lot of sense. Doesn't
he just seem like a Raider? I know, Luke Getzi's there,
he's been saying this. See we agree, we agree too much,
but he just feels like the type of guy that
Mark Davis would go get give a chance He's a
really unique guy to be available. I can't really think
of it, you know, Steven James, Maybe you guys can
think of some it. There aren't many quarterbacks who become
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available for a trade that actually have a long track
record as a starter.
Speaker 7 (40:07):
I mean, he's started a lot of games.
Speaker 9 (40:08):
He's not like Kevin Cobb coming looser, Jimmy g you know,
just getting traded off of like seven starts, Like we've
seen a lot of Justin Fields, who actually has a
lot of potential and at least has a very good
baseline play where he can be a starter. We know
in the NFL, I don't think there's any chance he's
playing in Chicago, And so with Getzi and the Raiders, I.
Speaker 7 (40:29):
Think he gives them some juice in twenty twenty four.
Speaker 2 (40:31):
What do you think I've been saying it? I have
been saying the exact same thing, Rosie.
Speaker 1 (40:35):
Plus, in that division where you have all these offensive
head coaches who have not faced a quarterback like Justin Fields,
I think the shock value alone in year one with
the Raiders could give them a ton of bounds.
Speaker 2 (40:48):
All right, here's another one talking.
Speaker 1 (40:50):
Now we're going to free agency, the player will be
you will be most shocked.
Speaker 2 (40:55):
To see change teams.
Speaker 7 (40:58):
Is I'm gonna start with Chris Jones.
Speaker 9 (41:02):
I mean, with that shock you guys at this point,
I think when I normally make these lists of the
top one O one, the top guys just get franchise tag.
His franchise tag is going to be thirty two million
dollars somewhere in that neighborhood. So I think number one
and number two on my list A little exclusive here
for the NFL Report since the list isn't actually out.
Speaker 7 (41:21):
Chris Jones and Kirk Cousins. I think they both changed teams.
Speaker 9 (41:24):
Because I think at some point the Chiefs have to decide,
maybe we got the very best out of this guy,
and Lagarious Sneed is actually our bigger priority, and Chris
Jones ends up changing teams.
Speaker 7 (41:33):
What do you think?
Speaker 3 (41:34):
I'm interested in that one because we all remember Greg
how the contract negotiations went or.
Speaker 4 (41:39):
Didn't go this past offseason.
Speaker 3 (41:42):
If you want to know an inside kind of vibe
of Chris Jones, this is what I've always been told
by people close to him. Chris didn't care about money
when he had none, So imagine what Chris thinks when
he has some he really does not care. He will
hold out if he believes that's where he thinks he
should be, if he wants a certain number, he doesn't care.
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We saw it during training camp. He doesn't care if
money is flying out of his pockets. He's the only
guy we really saw go.
Speaker 4 (42:09):
Out and do that.
Speaker 3 (42:10):
The interesting part about it, Greg would be so much
of what SPAGS does. Almost their entire run scheme is
based off of Chris Jones, and so there would be
there would have to be an adjustment up front. But
I think this team is drafted extremely well. I think
he's playing really well at a high level. He deserves
probably every penny he has. But we've noticed from Brett Viach,
if he believes it's time to cut, he's gonna cut
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and move on and find another spot to fill. And
we know that they also have Lagarius Sneed, who I
think they could tag Sneed.
Speaker 4 (42:37):
I think that could possibly be what they end up doing.
Speaker 3 (42:40):
And I love that you mentioned Kirk Cousins because I'm
the guy I didn't get a chance to chime in
on the Raiders. I believe Kirk Cousins could land in Vegas.
I think that's a spot where he could end up
landing and I could elaborate on it further, and I
would do that at another time. Let's move on to
who has to be brought back? Greg Like on this
list of one one, what team needs to bring back
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player X or it is a massive mistake.
Speaker 9 (43:06):
Okay, I'm throwing out a different name than you expect.
Jonathan Gernard is the guy for me on this list.
Speaker 4 (43:10):
I love that great year.
Speaker 9 (43:12):
He love that he developed every year in his career
as a textant, better and better and better. And then
when Demiico Ryans gets there, he just turned into a
great second pass rusher, And I love you know what
they have on the other side with the interesting But
I think having those two guys locked up, you have
a ton of cap space. Don't go searching for the
next guy. You've developed this great player. And so to me,
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having those two guys up front reminds me of some
of those forty nine ers Demiko Ryan's team where you
really started upfront with that four man pass rus You've
already got the duo for the next four or five years.
Speaker 7 (43:47):
Just keep them, just keep.
Speaker 2 (43:48):
Them, you know what, guy?
Speaker 1 (43:51):
My guy is Christian Wilkins with the Dolphins because with
Anthony Weaver now the DC.
Speaker 2 (43:56):
You saw what he do with Justin Matdowicke.
Speaker 1 (43:58):
You've seen how he's developed the line, and he's an
old defense He played defensive line.
Speaker 2 (44:02):
He coach defensive line with the Ravens.
Speaker 1 (44:04):
I think with Christian Wilkins, he could be the next
level superstar. We see how much he means at defensive front.
They let him go with two edge rushers coming off
with significant injuries.
Speaker 2 (44:14):
Bad move. They need to go ahead and pay Christian Wilkins.
Speaker 7 (44:17):
Yeah, I think they'll keep them.
Speaker 4 (44:19):
I wanted to comment on the Jonathan Garnard spot.
Speaker 3 (44:22):
Greg I love one because what jumped out at me
right away, guys was I'm looking at Aiden Hutchinson, who
has nobody on the other side, and there's times where
you saw Hutchinson get to the quarterback and there's nothing
coming from the other angle. And Jonathan Garnard had a
great year, and I think if you have a pairing
like him and will Anderson, this one I really really like.
Speaker 4 (44:41):
Greg.
Speaker 3 (44:41):
I look at I look at a couple other players.
Antoine Winfield Junior. To me, he'll probably get tagged, but
there's no way he can depart from Tampa as good
as the season he's he had maybe the best season
for any safety in all football. Another one, what do
you I want to put Greg's knowledge here? Josh Allen
the year he had in Jacksonville? Is that necessary to
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bring him back down to Jacksonville in terms of he
was really the one wrecking everything in the second half
of the season when they needed they needed a defensive
player to go out and make plays.
Speaker 9 (45:13):
No question, I just assume he'll be tagged. To me, Look,
he got Defensive Player of the Year votes this year.
He went from he was always a very good pass
rusher and he went to great this year. He was
the best player on the team. He's the best player
on the defense. He was the best player on the team.
So the one thing that annoys me, you know that
you'll see the column drops on Monday. You know, they
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take away so many of the good players with the
franchise tag and then the list just is in as
pretty so Josh Allen will be one of those guys
I believe taken.
Speaker 7 (45:41):
Off the list.
Speaker 1 (45:42):
Rosie fifteen seconds Exter were tight on time. But James
his favorite player is a free agent Drew Tranquil Oh. Yeah,
linebacker for the Chiefs, we're all doing. Man, he loves
me like a high rate rank.
Speaker 7 (45:55):
He's in my top sixty five or so. I love
me some. Drew Tranquil. I thought I was out. I
had a limb with him last year. I had him
very high.
Speaker 9 (46:02):
And the Chiefs they were looking for help and they
saw my rankings and they're like, this guy's gonna help
us win a Super Bowl.
Speaker 3 (46:07):
They I can't remember which conversation it was Greg that
I was having with Brett Veach where he was like,
I was looking at Greg Rosenthal's top one oh one,
and that's kind of what pushed us over the edge on.
Speaker 4 (46:20):
Getting Drew Tranquil.
Speaker 3 (46:21):
But you are right, like he was so valuable to
that team throughout the course of this season. Smarts in
the middle of the defense is just brilliant. And you
know what, Greg Rosenvel's got a lot of smarts as well, Steve,
a lot of smarts.
Speaker 4 (46:33):
Thank you for joining the NFL Report, Greg, appreciate it.
Speaker 3 (46:36):
Coming up the behind the scenes look of the NFL
combine what happens really in Indianapolis. Steve and I break
it down next on the NFL Report. Welcome back to
the NFL Report. The NFL Combine, presented by Nobles starts
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next week. The D line and Linebackers kick things off
next Thursday, followed by the DBS.
Speaker 4 (47:03):
And tight ends on Friday.
Speaker 3 (47:05):
Offensive skilled players step into the limelight on Saturday at
one pm Eastern, before the O line wraps it all
up on Sunday afternoon, all here on NFL Network and
NFL Plus. I'm on my way to Indianapolis on Monday, Steve,
and I think people have one thought of what goes
on in Indianapolis. It's what they see on the TV screen.
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But in your mind, with all the years that you've
covered the Combine in Indianapolis, what stands out to you
that maybe people don't know about the ongoings in Indianapolis.
Speaker 1 (47:35):
First off, Jp, I'm not going to have a nice
halibit at the Ocean Air for me one night.
Speaker 2 (47:40):
You got to make sure you can make that happen.
Speaker 1 (47:41):
So some great things about the Combine kind of behind
the scenes, especially for us in the media, is we
get to sit down at tables and stuff and speak
to some of these draft prospects.
Speaker 2 (47:51):
Remember, we cover the NFL.
Speaker 1 (47:53):
We don't get to spend a lot of time talking
to these draft prospects, which is the same thing that
a lot of these head coaches and coordinators are going
through because they're coaching in the season. So this is
their first exposure, you know, to a lot of these
players in watching them do on field drills.
Speaker 2 (48:10):
But jp also some.
Speaker 1 (48:11):
Of these interviews, these kind of ten to fifteen minute
speed gating interviews they do with these prospects at like
ten pm at night, after they've been scouting and watching
film all day. So I think the first interaction with
a lot of these collegiate players is one of the
things that a lot of people don't understand that it's
not just the stuff they're seeing on the field, but
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again the stuff that happens behind the scenes and those
important to those conversations.
Speaker 3 (48:37):
It's funny, Steve, a lot of people have told me
with the are in these interviews, how prepared or over
prepared or scripted some of.
Speaker 4 (48:43):
These players are in these combined interviews.
Speaker 3 (48:45):
They almost want to see them in their building and
sit down with them, maybe at the quarterback position, with
you know, a whiteboard if you will, or whatnot, spend
a little more time with them. The other part is
so many contracts are talked about between agents and general managers,
and Ryan Poles is going to be in a lot
of rooms that were not I'm gonna see talking to
teams about potential trades that go on. Those are the
two biggest things that happen in terms of trading picks
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and in trading players and you know, working out new contracts.
All right, because of the combine, Steve, next week, we
only have one show and that is going to be
on Thursday at seven o'clock.
Speaker 4 (49:20):
So my time in Indie eating.
Speaker 3 (49:22):
Halibit, apparently in your mind is what's gonna end up happening.
So I'll see you Thursday when we take that bad Boy.
Enjoy New Orleans.
This is Denna Salent, head coach of the New Orleans Saints,
and you're listening to the NFL Report. That's right, DA,
this is the NFL Report, and I'm Steve Whites with
my co pilot James Palmer and JP. Yeah, the NFL
season is over, but now we are in draft season
when college fans the NFL fans actually coalesce and believe
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in the same thing, and that's finding out which one
of these college superstars or which these college superstars is
going to make their team better. And to help us
with that conversation today we have got Doug.
Speaker 2 (00:38):
Williams, one of the greatest ever do like personal athletic hero.
Speaker 1 (00:42):
We're also going to be joined by NFL Media's Greg
Rosenthal and we're talking free agents, and boy is rosie
packet a punch. But JP, let's talk about quarterbacks and
teams that need them.
Speaker 3 (00:57):
It's the most important position in all of sports, Steve,
If teams that have great ones or far above average
ones are constantly competitive and consistently in the super Bowl conversation,
we're gonna talk about eight teams that have varying Super
Bowl windows. Right now, those eight teams are not mentioned
in this block because they have quarterbacks. We'd like to
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talk a different group of eight teams, teams that are
desperate for a quarterback so they can get themselves into
that other group. Let's take a look at where some
of these teams stand. Here's where they're picking. You look
at the Bears with the first pick, Commanders, two Patriots,
three Giants, six Falcons, eight, Vikings eleven. Will break them
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down with the Kirk Cousins situation, Broncos twelve.
Speaker 4 (01:43):
Raiders, thirteen, Steelers twenty.
Speaker 3 (01:45):
Now, if you're looking towards the draft, and that's what
we'll cover first, Daniel Jeremiah, our draft expert Steve has
four going in the first round, that's quarterbacks, and four
going in the first eight picks, six total in his
top fifty prospects. So if we're looking at this group,
not everybody is going to land a quarterback in the draft.
Let's look at that first group of those teams picking
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maybe in the top three and then maybe include the
Giants at six. What do you see happening with a
couple of those teams.
Speaker 2 (02:14):
Well, look, some of these teams are gonna have to
get up.
Speaker 1 (02:16):
So we know the Chicago Bears have the first overall pick,
and the rampant speculation is it's going to be Caleb Williams,
a quarterback out of USC. So let's kind of move
on from them, because I've said the Washington Commanders at two,
this is where the draft actually starts.
Speaker 2 (02:32):
And do the Commanders maybe trade.
Speaker 1 (02:35):
Back a spot or two and still get their guy,
be it Drake, may be it Jaden Daniels out of LSU,
or do they sit there at two and not mess
around and make sure they get the quarterback that they want. Fine,
So now at three, the Patriots, they have to draft
a quarterback. Let's not play around. I don't think anyone's
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moving off that pick. So let's say three of these
quarterbacks are gone. Now JP a team like the Falcons
at eight. When we talk to Terry Fonte, though, I
very much got from the general manager that they want
to draft a quarterback. They're gonna have to leap frog
the Giants at six to get up and get a quarterback.
This is where the real chess starts getting played. So
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that's where I think the gamesmanship and the aggressiveness in
giving away draft picks comes into play big time, because
we're gonna get to in a minute. The veteran quarterbacks
out there on the market, including the trade value, just
aren't what you want to build your team around.
Speaker 4 (03:32):
I think you're exactly right.
Speaker 3 (03:33):
I love where the commanders sit because they're probably sitting
with a mindset of who do we like more, Jayden
Daniels or Drake May and a lot of evaluators. It's
still very early and we'll be talking this over the
next few months. The combine is not even here, but
a lot of evaluators I've already spoken to Steve have
these two much closer than maybe people assume.
Speaker 4 (03:53):
And so who do you like best?
Speaker 3 (03:55):
I think that plays a big part of this who
fits your scheme best? And I think the commanders are
in a very good spot to pick either one of
the two or if they don't force your.
Speaker 4 (04:07):
Hand at two.
Speaker 3 (04:07):
That's the other part of it, and you want to
see who wants to come up. I think mentioning the
Falcons coming up, I think is a very very poignant message.
I think that is a team that maybe doesn't really
look to go the veteran route. I know some people
have tied justin fields. We'll go to him in a second,
but it just gets the sense we had Terry Fottna
on this show, Steve didn't. He just sound like we
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value draft picks. We value though building through the draft.
In a young quarterback coming in, even if we have
to move up for him, looks to be more something
the Falcons would do. Remember, they have established, you could say,
roster Steve on both sides of the ball, to where
they could think they could give up a future first
round pick to move up for mate. They have plenty
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of salary cap space, they could make that jump. I
think that's one team you really have to keep an
eye on moving up, as well as the Giants sitting
at six because they don't have to go up as far.
I find New England faascinating sitting there at three. I
really do, just because of where they're going to stand
with what I'm what we're saying with picks one and two.
Speaker 1 (05:07):
Yeah, I'm with you, and just real quick, you know
we're looking at and the know the Vikings at eleven,
the Broncos at twelve, and the Steelers at twenty. That's
going to be very hard for them to get up.
That's a ton of freight JP. But one player who's
connected to some of those teams. Not all of them, well,
a couple of them is justin Field. Let's hear what
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he had to say on the Brown Brothers podcast about
his situation, in which he sounds like he knows he's
gone from Chicago.
Speaker 5 (05:40):
Do you want to stay in Chicago or what's up? Yeah?
Speaker 6 (05:42):
Of course, of course I want to stay, to be honest,
but I'll be trying to, like, you know, with all
the talk, it's hard to you know, I guess kind
of just boom being one place, but I can't see
myself playing in another place. But I know how that
league is, Like he was probably the same way before
you left Green Bay. But I mean, if it was
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up to me, I would want to stay in Chicago.
I love the city, the city's lit, the fans they're
you know, they're great, and the people. But it's a business.
I an't got no control over it, so whatever happens happens.
But I feel like the biggest thing with all this
going on right now, I just wanted to be over, like,
just let me know if I'm getting traded, let me
know if I'm staying this and that.
Speaker 3 (06:24):
I think we all feel the same way, justin I
think we all want to know if you're getting traded
or not, because I do think this is kind of
the lynchpin of this offseason right now, Steve, because there's
so few veteran quarterbacks that could land a spot and
if a team desperately wants them, which is something the
Chicago Bears probably are banking on, to my understanding, they're
evaluating all of this. They're going to go in g
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Indianapolis with a plan. Obviously not tell anybody that plan,
but Ryan Poles is going to sit there and listen
to every offer that is out there for justin fields
and every offer that's out there for number one. What
fascinates me most about field, Steve is we've seen flash
of a really, really good quarterback. Go ask Sean Payton
who he faced in the first half of their game
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against the Chicago Bears, and then look at who he
faced in the second half.
Speaker 4 (07:09):
It was almost like two different guys. But what you
would be doing is the guess is.
Speaker 3 (07:13):
Giving up a a second round pick or a third
round pick for a quarterback that you could essentially have
for the next two seasons with his fistier option for
really a grand total of about twenty.
Speaker 4 (07:25):
Five million dollars. That's not a terrible spot to be in.
Speaker 3 (07:29):
If you don't love one of these quarterbacks at the
top of the draft and don't have the ability to
trade up for one of them, you could use a
second or third round pick and get two years to
evaluate Justin Fields. Is that accurate if you want to
take a jump at him.
Speaker 2 (07:42):
Yeah, I would say so.
Speaker 1 (07:43):
I mean the finance, the financial aspect of it is
clearly a boom, especially because he's such a boom or
bust type of roll of the dice. And at the
same time, I look at some of the teams who
were talking about the Falcons, their new coordinator Zach Robinson's
coming from la Eric Goff and Matthew Stafford.
Speaker 2 (08:01):
That scheme does not fit Justin Fields. Right, you're looking.
Speaker 1 (08:05):
I told you we talked about Pittsburgh and Arthur Smith
wanted no parts of him in the draft. Don't see
him getting sweet on Justin Fields all of a sudden,
the Bronco as you mentioned Sean Payton, accuracy is his
number one thing in a quarterback that is not Justin
Field's history. So once again, with the thirteenth overall pick,
I like the Raiders making a trade for Justin Fields
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with one of their later round picks. They've got the
thirteenth pick to kind of add to maybe get him
some more weapons. He said, Chicago is lit, Vegas is
more lit, so that if he wants to be looking
in at the environment, he can go that that fan
base would love him.
Speaker 2 (08:42):
Let's also look at kurtk Couzins.
Speaker 3 (08:44):
Do you find it interesting though, Steve, that like you
go and get Getzi out of Chicago and then you
repair him with Justin Fields as quarterback?
Speaker 4 (08:53):
Is that kind of bizarre?
Speaker 2 (08:55):
We don't and we don't see that happen. But I mean, what.
Speaker 4 (08:59):
Else, that's what we're gonna do.
Speaker 1 (09:00):
Where they gonna go, Okay, kirk Cousins, right, Kirk Cousins
is like that the Wilson Russell Wilson.
Speaker 4 (09:07):
So I'm gonna give you what they're going to do.
Speaker 2 (09:09):
What they can do, Steve, what do you get They
could go.
Speaker 3 (09:12):
After Kirk Cousins. They could go after Kirk Cousins. You
know why they could? They could thank Jimmy Garoppolo for
that because of his ped suspension. They are off the
hook for a good chunk of money. It's about eleven
point two five million off and then another eleven point
two five million off because of what transpired with the suspension.
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We do know that Kirk Cousins could be somebody that
could fit into what they do down there.
Speaker 4 (09:37):
DeVante Adams likes him a lot.
Speaker 3 (09:39):
Set it this offseason, say that he's a quarterback that
can find you in the football no matter where you
are in the field. This could be something if they
believe they can compete right away, and I think Antonio
Pierce does believe that they're one of the few teams
that could compete right away, and I think that's why
they could be one of the very few teams that
could be interested in Kirk Cousins. The other part of
it is, remember last year when the when the Las
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Vegas Raiders were looking to trade up maybe to one
or two for a quarterback, didn't do it. What happens
in Houston with CJ. Stroud at number two? Do they
go we gotta go up and get somebody? What does
Mark Davis say about that? I find the Cousins situation
very interesting because it's him, it's Field Steve, and then
he mentioned it's Baker Mayfield, and then that might be
it for your veteran options before you get into Ryan
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Tannehill and say Gardner Minshew.
Speaker 2 (10:26):
Whoa and I love Hey.
Speaker 1 (10:28):
Are you saying that Russ is moving out of his
thirty five million dollars manson to go slumming?
Speaker 2 (10:33):
He's going down here.
Speaker 1 (10:34):
Don't know what you do with the town Holmes with
like Matt Jones and Ryan Tannehill, give me.
Speaker 3 (10:39):
The spot that will Land Russell Wilson and maybe I'll
just tease it. We'll discuss that with Greg Rosenthal later
in the show.
Speaker 4 (10:48):
Steve.
Speaker 3 (10:48):
Let's get to our special guest though, in the next block. Steve,
Let's get to our nestal guest in the next block
and Doug Williams Super Bowl champion quarterback. Doug Williams, to
be specific, and also right now is the senior advisor
for President Jason Wright in Washington. We're gonna get his
take on the HBCU Legacy Bowl that you're at right now, Steve,
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but we're also gonna get his take on the quarterbacks
coming out in the straft.
Speaker 1 (11:24):
The best draft al duel players from historically black colleges
and universities put on the pads one last time so
they're worthy of getting drafted.
Speaker 2 (11:32):
The third annual.
Speaker 1 (11:33):
All State HBCU Legacy Bowl Saturday, four pm Eastern, exclusively
on NFL Network and streaming on NFL Plus. Oh JP,
you know, I'm down here Yomen Stadium at Tulane with
all the greats, and we're joined by the greatest, my hero,
my man, co founder of the Black College Football Hall
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of Fame, co founder of the HBCU Legacy Bowl, Doug Williams.
Speaker 2 (11:58):
Doug, appreciate you joining us.
Speaker 5 (12:00):
Thanks Thve for having me Man. I appreciate being on.
Speaker 2 (12:03):
So as I did that beautiful read right there.
Speaker 1 (12:06):
This is the third annual, you know, time we've done
this down here with this HBCU Legacy Bawl. We saw
last year, Doug, about fifteen guys from this game get
at a minimum rookie camp tryouts.
Speaker 2 (12:19):
Several of them made rosters.
Speaker 1 (12:22):
We saw the dB Bolden out of Jackson State get
drafted by the Patriots three years ago. You and James
Shack Harris came up with the concept for this game.
Now that you look at some of the success you
had at getting players from historically black colleges and universities
to the NFL, what can you say about the purpose
and the success of what's happened here.
Speaker 5 (12:42):
Well, you know what I can say, from year one
to where we are today, I feel pretty good about that,
but still not satisfying. And I think this year crop
of guys, you know, we got way more talent that
showed up this year than we have had since we've
been here. There's no doubt in my mind. You know,
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anywhere from five to six guys should be drafted. I mean,
I don't do the drafted, but I'm saying that should
be and not only that, but should get many more
get an opportunity to end up as free agent or
get an opportunity in somebody's training camp that they can
earn their right onto a team. And it makes me
feel good. And James and how we talk about this
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all the time about opportunity, and what we're doing here
is giving these guys an opportunity.
Speaker 4 (13:29):
I love that, Doug, because we know.
Speaker 3 (13:30):
One of my favorite things about the NFL is if
you're talented, league, teams are going to try to go
out there and find you, and you can find your
way into the NFL in a variety of ways. Every
team is down there, Every team in the NFL is
represented down there. Looking at these players. What have you
heard from that side of things about what you've built
over the last three years in terms of the caliber
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of players that the league is making sure they go
down there and take a decent look at I.
Speaker 5 (13:57):
Think what has happened This gals not a little freeboy
by telling you about certain players. At first, they was
kind of like everybody else. I don't know, but I
think what they've seen from this combine and from these practices.
You know they call our people name man and you
know running back Howard he stood out like a soul thumb.
Speaker 2 (14:18):
We got Jarvin Howard from UH.
Speaker 5 (14:20):
From w he had August Petrice from Southern University, the
guy that's in law school. And then you had the
offensive lineman. A lot of people don't they don't get
a lot of love sometimes, but that's one lineman here
that that really jumped out at me. And that's that's
him Hill from Texas Southern. And then you got the
right the Owings from Texas Southern who had a great year.
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You know, he showed up. And you know we got Smith,
the defensive back. He's an undersized guy, but we know
he can run fast and tight end man. We got
this tight end number fifteen. I'll tell you what. If
he's not a pass catcher, he certainly should be somebody blocker.
And he from Steve's school. Now, you know, we talked
about the tight end from Steve's school, but if you
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watch him through the week, he has probably been one
of the most consistent players on the field as for
his running round and catching the ball.
Speaker 1 (15:12):
Yeah, you're talking about Brendan Brown, the tight end from
Howard who's been excellent, and James. There's a tight end
out of Arkansas Pine Bluff named Tristan Ballard.
Speaker 2 (15:21):
Dude, his body like this is one where an NFL.
Speaker 1 (15:26):
Team sees him and immediately is like, I don't care
about anything. We got to get him into a camp
just because he's he's listed at six five, two forty,
but his body should be in the louver right it isn't.
He hasn't dropped the pass. He he looks very well coached.
I mean, he he's not a raw product. He looks
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pretty polic So it don't it'd be interesting to see
if he gets, you know, into a camp.
Speaker 5 (15:53):
Not only that, but but his body alone gets him
into a camp. Because you look at a guy that
plays tight end, you know there's something you got tight
ends today, they can get running backs to the Eds.
And then he's the guy that if you teach it right,
he's a guy that can get you to the Eds.
You know, I affirm to bleed that. And the quarterbacks.
You know, we can't take nothing away from these quarterbacks
because Musa at times that looked real good. And Richard's man,
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he's just a guy that in today's game. But what
Richard can do from a running standpoint, and he's not
a runner, but he can throw the football. But you know,
if the rush come, he can get away. And that's
what you like in your quarterback today, because if you
can't get away from the rush today, you in trouble.
Speaker 2 (16:37):
Right you're talking about Davis Richard. We're seeing right here.
Speaker 1 (16:39):
He's a two time MIACT Offensive Player of the Year,
one of the best offensive players to come out of
black college football in years. And you also mentioned Jeremy Moosha,
he's SWACKED Offensive Player of the Year, the quarterback out
of Florida A and M who started his career at
Hawaii also had to stop in Vanderbilt before he went
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down there and lit it up for the rat and
so so We're looking a little bit at Moosha right now.
Doug Moosa is somebody you know you heard lear me
talk about he's got his third his third Division I program.
But this week we see he's got the incredible arm talent,
but the consistency is.
Speaker 2 (17:18):
The big question mark with him.
Speaker 1 (17:20):
Is someone who evaluates quarterbacks When you look at someone
like him who can put the ball just anywhere, but
hasn't generated the consistency like that, What does that tell
you is that somebody you want to give a look
on talent alone and you coach him up or.
Speaker 5 (17:33):
Do you think I think as a coach you you
love then opportunity to work with him, because at the
end of the day, it's all about the middle part
of it. And you know, when you see a receiver,
all of them not gonna be wide open. Somewhere along
the line. You got to be that guy to put
it where he can get open. And I think that's
the one thing that is hampering him is not letting
the ball go when they even you know, that's the
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old police saying, when they even they leave it, he
wants to see weight and all the time you're not
going to run with You got to give him a
chance to make make the play, and I think once
he gets the mind up to get the ball out
of his hand to look quicker than what he has,
he'll be all right.
Speaker 3 (18:10):
I gotta change gears here for a moment, though, because
your former team in Washington is in need of a
quarterback as well.
Speaker 4 (18:17):
We're sitting here breaking down current team.
Speaker 3 (18:21):
Still your team, I mean former team as in you
used to be the quarterback. They're still employed by the team,
still working there with Jason Wright and working there at
the front office. I understand, but you used to play
that position.
Speaker 4 (18:33):
There in Washington. What what is you know?
Speaker 3 (18:36):
What is your thought on how quickly things with a
new regime there the number two pick cap space, there's
still talent on that roster on both sides. On how
quickly things can start to turn around in Washington.
Speaker 5 (18:49):
I think I think we're gonna surprize the people. I
think we'd be a lot quicker than a lot of
people expect, you know, because of the cap space that
we do have, because of the draft capital that we
do have. You know, when you got five picks within
the first one hundred and you got what eighty some
million dollars cash space. We got something to work with.
And I think the coaching staff that has been assimilate
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by Dan Quinn and and Adam speaks volume of the
guys in there. You know, the building feels so much
different from because you got guys from from different places.
It's not a bunch of guys from one place coming
in after leaving another place. You got guys from different
different culture, with different attitude, with different mentality, but they're
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all it is working towards the same goal and that's
getting the commanders up to snuff. And I really think
that this year is gonna be a surprise year for
a lot of people and not gonna surprise us because
you know, talking to Dan, Dan is that type of guy.
He knows what he wants and I think he'll get
it done.
Speaker 2 (19:48):
Well, you mentioned dan quincho.
Speaker 1 (19:50):
Let's goin to keep on with that, because when they
had his introductory video, you're the first person he walked
up to with his hat on backwards.
Speaker 2 (19:56):
He said, Ah, Doug, what's up?
Speaker 6 (19:58):
Bro?
Speaker 1 (19:59):
But you know, well, you know Dan is that dude, right,
He is somebody. When you're around him for two minutes,
you want to be around him for two years. How
do you know the cultureship that's going on there that
Dan Quinn is such an ideal fit.
Speaker 5 (20:14):
Let me tell you that that morning that he walked
into the building, and what I did. I stood back,
you know, because I know Dan, I'm you know over
the years, and I just stood back.
Speaker 7 (20:23):
You know.
Speaker 5 (20:24):
I think what happened when Dan walked in that building, man,
you could just see the whole building change, the people
that was greeting him. And he looked over and said, oh, Doug,
you know to me, that was that old thing for him.
And you know the same time, you could feel the
whole building kind of shaken a little bit because they
was glad to see him walk through that and it
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hadn't been anything different than when he walked through the
first day than it is today because the whole building,
the people that's in that building, they feel pretty good
because the way he come in with his infections attitude.
Everybody is somebody to Dan, and that's what makes the difference.
Nobody is above anybody, you know, everybody feel the same.
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And working with Adams, you know, it's just a different
feeling in that building today.
Speaker 4 (21:11):
I love that, Doug.
Speaker 3 (21:12):
I feel like every conversation I ever had with Q
in my life kind of just stays with me.
Speaker 4 (21:16):
It just has an impact in some sense.
Speaker 3 (21:18):
It just kind of just sticks with you because it's
so engaging and I've learned so much from him about
the game just interacting with him, and I love that aspect.
Before we go, Doug, I do have to ask you this,
being a quarterback, you've spent so much time for your
current team evaluating quarterbacks over the years.
Speaker 4 (21:36):
What have you learned in this process?
Speaker 3 (21:38):
Maybe just I don't know if it's overlapping, but just
certain traits you've seen over the years that just are
value to you when they translate into the league. Is
there anything that stands out with the number of guys
you've evaluated?
Speaker 5 (21:50):
Yeah, you know. My thing is I like a number one,
a tough guy, you know, who don't mind standing there
getting getting the job done. But at the same time,
you got to be smart enough to know when you
have to move, when to throw the ball away, not
to take a sack in times. You know, I look
at it now from the time I played, and I
know it's been a long time ago, but you watched
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a lot of these quarterbacks they'll take a sack running
to throw it away. I'm a firm believer. Don't take
a sack because you put your team in a worse situation.
Now you know it was second down in ten, you
get sacked nine, third down and sixteen to me, throw
the ball away. But a lot of them, I think
is worried about their passing percentage and they they take
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a sack. I don't know that that's hurting the team,
but it's helping them from a percentage standpoint. And I've
seen a lot of that over the years, and I've
just been the whole school. That's the one thing that
rubs me the wrong way.
Speaker 2 (22:45):
Interesting, very very chy.
Speaker 1 (22:47):
I have never thought about that or hurt anyone say
something about that.
Speaker 2 (22:51):
Doug.
Speaker 1 (22:51):
Doug, we can sit here and talk all day. We
know you got to get back down here at the
field of two lane. We got another practice coming up.
Thank you so much for joining us. Thank you so
much what you've done with the Black College Football Hall
of Fame and this All State HBCU Legacy Bowl. Creating
opportunity for folks to get until the NFL.
Speaker 5 (23:11):
That's what coach Rob always saying. All it takes is
an opportunity.
Speaker 2 (23:16):
Well, there we go. Appreciate you, Doug.
Speaker 8 (23:18):
Coming up next on the NFL Report, are some teams
window narrowing or some as wide open as the patio
living room Leni in front of James Palmer's house. We'll
find out more on the NFL Report when we come back.
Speaker 5 (23:47):
A touchdown wins the game play action fake?
Speaker 6 (23:50):
What du City? Harden to hard?
Speaker 7 (23:57):
What the catch? Kansas City?
Speaker 1 (23:59):
When's they g twenty five twenty two and the Chiefs
Kingdom has started its own.
Speaker 4 (24:07):
History class for the first time. And six thousand, nine
hundred and.
Speaker 3 (24:13):
Forty four days there is a back to back Super
Bowl champion and it is the Kansas City Chiefs. Welcome
back to the NFL Report, James Palmer, Steve Whites with you.
If you're watching the show, Steve, you don't see it
very often. Ice Spice and then Andy Reid back to
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back shots. You'll see that very often. But Bucky Brooks
had this on NFL dot Com and we wanted to
break it down a little bit for you. Here are
eight teams that he believes have the biggest Super Bowl windows.
Right now, Steve and I do not believe all of
these windows are of the same size, are of the
same quality. But let's start from the top and will
work our way all the way down. As the Kansas
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City Chiefs have a window, Steve. It's one of those
Florida ceiling type windows Hawaii, and they just kind of
fold into the wall entirely and the entire space is
now indoor outdoor living.
Speaker 4 (25:06):
That window is massive.
Speaker 3 (25:08):
They have pillars and Andy Reid, Steve Spagnolo, and Patrick Mahomes.
They've learned to win in a new way this past year,
which I think makes them even more dangerous because Mahomes
is developing different ways to beat you now. And I
do believe in their general manager, Brett Veach, is going
to be very aggressive in getting him another weapon this
offseason that helps them move forward in the world they'll
be living in after Travis Kelcey and I want to
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sneak this in real quick. Harrison Bucker, one of the
best kickers in the game is there at Kansas City, Steve,
and I think we saw this postseason how important that
is to consistent success in the postseason.
Speaker 4 (25:41):
The Chiefs have it all right now in the biggest window.
Speaker 1 (25:44):
Which is why Yeah, I mean, I know, yeah, they
you got the biggest window because of fifteen, right, I
mean that window is not going anywhere. We've seen the
Chiefs reinvent themselves twice now as well. You lose Tyreek Hill,
you win with a revamped offense line with a Super
Bowl there last, you're saying, Okay, we didn't need that
explosive wide receiver to win. Then they reinvent themselves this
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year as a defensive team. So you've got the best
player in the NFL and Patrick Mahomes. You've got an
organization that finds ways to rebuild itself, much like the
Patriots did during its dynasty, and like we've seen some
NBA teams do during their dynasties.
Speaker 2 (26:23):
LUs take it to the fact that that defense JD.
Speaker 4 (26:27):
Is young as hell.
Speaker 1 (26:29):
Almost all of the guys in the secondary are like
third to fifty year players or second to fifth year players.
So they're going to be around for a while. And
we could sit there and talk about salary cap. Salary cap.
They've already got the quarterback paid. They know how to
divvy things up in a way where they can keep
the nucleus of this team together for quite some time.
All right, let's go to another team Bucky listed that
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is a Detroit Lions wide open. Another huge window. I mean,
this is as big as Ford Field. This is a
very young team. He's a very young head coach and
general manager who have established a format on how to
rebuild through the draft. Jared Goff has shown he's a
fine quarterback. I mean, they don't have to do anything
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at that position either. They get themselves a little bit
more help off the edge and on the interior defense
to stop the run, little help of the secondary. I
mean I said three big things, but they're not major things.
I think Detroit is going to be a player for
a quite some time JP.
Speaker 3 (27:28):
Because I see some similarities outside of the quarterback, which
Jared Goff is very good, and they can win a
lot of games and they can win a Super Bowl
with Jared Goff. I see the similarities in terms of
head coach and GM being lockstep in terms of how
you're building this. You mentioned the young defense, The Chiefs have.
The young nucleus that this Detroit Lions team has might
be the best young core of players in all of football.
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From Jamior Gibbs, Sam Laporta, Aiden Hutchinson, Brian Brandon Branch,
all of these Jack cong the list goes on and honestly,
for how youthful and good this group is, and also
liked Kansas City Chiefs. We saw this past year. In
one season, we've seen the Lions win games in a
variety of ways. Steve and I think that's a big,
big part of this. Next the Ravens, who I believe
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Steve was the best team in football during the regular
season this past year. And two things stand out to me.
Most Lamar Jackson won the MVP in his first year
in a new system. I think that's a pretty good
start to this window that they're in right now. The
second part is you and I have talked about this.
I don't think there's another team in football to where
they lose players within the season and you're thinking they're
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key players, and they find ways to continuously keep winning.
It's because the roster's so well built. It's because they're
so deep, and the coaching staff is so good, and they.
Speaker 1 (28:38):
Lose coaches every year, they lose front office guys every year,
and they're still because of the institutional stability that they
have there one of the best organizations in the NFL.
Speaker 2 (28:48):
Plus they've got Lamar.
Speaker 1 (28:50):
All right, GP, let's go for some of the bigger
windows to the Dallas Cowboys.
Speaker 2 (28:54):
I have them with boilers windows.
Speaker 1 (28:57):
You know you might see on about the eighty seven
floor of a hotel, like it's way too small for you, that's.
Speaker 2 (29:04):
Not opening up.
Speaker 1 (29:05):
I think this is a they're on about a one
year window. As your head coach, Mike McCarthy got one
year left on his deal. They're aging on the offensive line,
They've they've got an absolutely you know, star studded secondary,
and you know, guys like Micah Pargin's on the defense.
But it's still kind of a hodgepodge of talent. But
I think offensively, Dak in that one year window with
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Mike McCarthy's why that window to me isn't a big one.
Speaker 3 (29:31):
Yeah, And I think Bucky has them here because I
think Dak took his game to another level this past season,
added some things about playing more consistently outside of the pocket,
extending plays. I think that's a big part of this
offense moving forward. But I do think losing dan Quinn
is a big knock, not just to the defense. You
know this Cowboys locker room really well, Steve, It's to
the entire team in what dan Quinn was able to
do there in Dallas I'm interested to see how wig
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this window is moving on to the forty nine ers next.
I think mainly Steve. I'll just say this for two
two main reasons. It's one, John Lynch and Kyle Shanahan
had built something brilliant together in terms of how they
build a team. To you, brock Party on a rookie
contract with a lot of talent around him.
Speaker 2 (30:08):
That's what I'm saying. This window's kind of like with
this nucleus is a two year window.
Speaker 1 (30:11):
That's not saying they can't continue on if brock Perty
keeps on doing his thing, but they've got so much talent.
But at some point you've already seen some signs of
age on Eric Armstead. It was a little banged up
this year as well, Fred Warner, George Kittle, Trent Williams,
like some of these guys, all of a sudden, Father
time is.
Speaker 2 (30:28):
Gonna come knocking on the door.
Speaker 1 (30:29):
So I think this nucleus has got about another two
years to kind of get through. Plus we're also seeing
teams like Detroit some other teams that we're gonna be
talking about in just a few seconds knocking on the window.
Let's go to the Cleveland Browns and the AFC North
because Okay, this window can slide open a little bit.
I think they've got enough talent on their defense, and
they've got a great coaching staff, but I think the
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division and you know, there's just something about offensively, can
they consist lead, just do enough to keep up with
the Cincinnaties of the world, in the Ravens of the world,
and even Pittsburgh to that point.
Speaker 3 (31:06):
Steve, this is one of those windows that's in a
bathroom that's all cloudy and you can't see through it
like it's there. But I'm not sure like you can
really see through this window because I'm just I covered
Deshaun Watson a lot.
Speaker 4 (31:19):
When he was in Houston, and we haven't in.
Speaker 3 (31:21):
Four years now seem him play like he did as
one of the best quarterbacks in football in twenty twenty.
And yes he's coming off of an injury to his
throwing shoulder. I just find this to be a fascinating window.
We know what Jim Schwartz brings, we know the defense,
they have a new offensive coordinator and Ken Dorsey. How
is Nick Chubb coming back off of the massive knee
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injury had I find this one just very fascinating. I'm
a little more certain, honestly about the next one.
Speaker 4 (31:47):
In the Green Bay Packers.
Speaker 3 (31:48):
I think what we saw in the way they finished
the season, with the way Jordan Love played with young
pieces that are interchangeable to make things difficult on defenses.
And we know they have a good defense. They change
defensive coordinators, but this screw. I think I have more
confidence in a window as I do than the Cleveland Browns.
Speaker 1 (32:05):
I do too, in terms of like a window being sizeable,
because right now they've got a nice window, and Chip
and Joanna are on their way up from Waco, Texas
from the Magnolia rehab and they're getting ready to build
a whole new unit because you've got Jordan Love and
his receiving corps growing together. Now they've got to replenish
that offensive line a little bit because David Boxieri we
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saw injuries of this completely stapped him and left tackle.
But with their running backs and what they've got established,
I think this is a team that just did it
right again. All Right, New York Jets are on Buckis'
list is having a window. This window right here is
made out of kleenex.
Speaker 4 (32:46):
Right.
Speaker 1 (32:46):
There's no team that has a more urgent push to
get to the super Bowl. Otherwise you talk about something
flaming out, it just doesn't It just they're built absolutely
for Aaron Rodgers to come back to win. They have
talent somehow. The team won seven games last year without
Aaron Rodgers. But if it doesn't work, they're gonna blow
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out everybody. Oh but they're still gonna be stuck with
like ten fantastic third and fourth year players because they
drafted so well. But they've got to retool it again.
So if they don't win it this year, that kind
of janky assemblage of the program they have there is
just a weird type of setup.
Speaker 2 (33:27):
JP.
Speaker 3 (33:27):
I love these window analogies we're using. Steve I used
to take a Greyhound about eleven hours home from college,
you know, you know, sporadically, the little tiny window that
opens at the top of a Greyhound that just lets
a little bit of air in. That's kind of the
Jets window that I'm looking at. This is a forty
year old quarterback, yes, a four time MVP, yeah, But
a forty year old quarterback coming off of an achilles,
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with an offensive line that needs to be completely put
back together and I think that to me stands out. Yes,
there's talent other spots. They have top tier talent, honestly
at some very important spots, say pass rushers and corners
and wide receivers and lone secker. But I just look
at that offensive line and it really makes me scared behind.
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You know, that's protecting Aaron Rodgers. Is there anybody on
this list that you think should be on this list
that's not that's not.
Speaker 1 (34:16):
I'm gonna say the Los Angeles Rams because I think
over the next two years they've got an opportunity to
get back to the Super Bowl and win one. Matthew
Stafford again, we have not talked about how well he
played last year.
Speaker 2 (34:27):
He was fantastic.
Speaker 1 (34:28):
You've got some peaches, Cooper Cups still there, Pooper Nakua
is still there, Rob Havnstein, their tackle is still there,
Kyron Williams and Money Aaron Donald. They have got pieces.
Speaker 2 (34:37):
Oh and JP.
Speaker 1 (34:38):
You know what else they have this year that they
haven't had for twenty sixteen, A first round pick and
cap space. I think this is a team that's going
to be very aggressive because they know they got a
couple more years in Matt Stafford and Aaron Donald and
Cooper Cup and they want to get back to the
title game. They've got the personnel and the coaching staff
to do so.
Speaker 4 (34:56):
I love that.
Speaker 3 (34:57):
Look at how dangerously we're down the stretch this past season,
in a year where everybody was like, who's playing what spot,
We're regrouping, we're rebuilding, and there they were at the
end of the season, playing really, really good football. On
Matthew Stafford playing brilliant football in his last game of
the season, even though.
Speaker 4 (35:10):
He came up short.
Speaker 3 (35:11):
I'm looking at the Philadelphia Eagles, Steve, and I look
at a team that was maybe a questionable holding call
away from winning the Super Bowl two years ago, and
now they're not even on this list. They were ten
to one at one point and then obviously things just
spiraled out of control at the back end of the season.
But you still have one of the better offensive lines
in football, maybe the best wide receiver duo in all
of football, and aj Brown and Demonte Smith the top
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five tight end in Dallas Goddard. I think the defense
needs to get faster, needs to get younger, but I
think having them not on this list, in the Super
Bowl window not being opened, are we forgetting what Howie
Roseman has done over the last five six years. When
they made the mistake of giving Carson Wentz a contract,
and everybody thinks that should sink a franchise.
Speaker 4 (35:50):
It didn't.
Speaker 3 (35:51):
In Philadelphia. Howie Roseman is one Executive of the Year
multiple times over the last couple of years. And if
anybody can fix things quickly in some spots of need,
I think it's Howie Roseman. So WOU I would look
at Philly as still having a Super Bowl window right now,
and Steve we didn't mention the Bengals, but Joe Burrow
tells us the windows as long as he's playing.
Speaker 2 (36:10):
And he's one thousand percent correct.
Speaker 1 (36:12):
I want to get back to the Eagles real quick
because the biggest holes at High Rosen need to defea
are on that coaching staff. You know that that to fix,
I should say, is on that coaching staff. They made
the changes. We'll see if that gets things back together
to mesh with some of that talent. But that was
the issue. You know, you hear about all the stuff
going on up there. I think that's how the Eagles
can get back. You know what else teams can get
back is to free agency Russell Wilson's not a free
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agent yet, but he's going to be out there, all right.
Can Russell Wilson, who we said is moving on down
in home value.
Speaker 2 (36:43):
Is you're gonna make a difference.
Speaker 1 (36:44):
So we're gonna talk to our Greg Rosenthal after the
break here on the NFL Sport all that tape Elsie.
All right, we are back at the NFL Report Steve
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Whitch here with my guy James Palmer, and we're bringing
in NFL media is Greg Rosenthal and Rosie, you've got
a great column coming out on Monday. I know it's
great even though it hasn't come out yet, because you're
talking about some of the free agents that are about
to hit the market.
Speaker 2 (37:23):
JP and I. You know, we love you so much.
Speaker 5 (37:25):
Greg.
Speaker 1 (37:25):
We're gonna we're gonna put a twist on it because
some of the guys we're gonna talk about aren't quite
free agents yet.
Speaker 2 (37:30):
Okay, you're good with that.
Speaker 7 (37:31):
I'm good with whatever.
Speaker 9 (37:33):
You know, two of the most respected and handsome men
at the NFL I want to do.
Speaker 3 (37:36):
Yeah, we're right into it.
Speaker 5 (37:39):
Here we go.
Speaker 1 (37:41):
All right, so let's let's dive in Russell Wilson, who
is still under contract for not much longer with the
Denver Broncos.
Speaker 2 (37:48):
We'll play where in twenty twenty four.
Speaker 9 (37:52):
Oh my gosh, he's so hard to figure out. I
don't think it's Pittsburgh, which people have thrown out there.
I'm gonna throw in Washington and he'll be like a
backup slash one b to whoever the number two overall
pick is, because that's the role I see him, and
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it's not the role that he's going to want.
Speaker 7 (38:14):
But when when you.
Speaker 9 (38:15):
Guys look around the league, where do you see the
starting opportunities for Russell Wilson? Necessarily I don't really see him.
So I think he could fit more as a guy
that is paired with a rookie, And for some reason,
he just seems like a guy who would land in
Washington and maybe he's their week one starter, but whoever
they draft is their week five starter.
Speaker 2 (38:34):
Thank you, Rose.
Speaker 3 (38:36):
I could kind of see that because because if you
look at it like we're looking at all these and
earlier in the show we broke it down all these
quarterback needy teams that are near the top of the draft,
or teams like Atlanta or the Giants that might want
to trade up a little bit, and then there's that
group that the Vikings and the Broncos and the Raiders
are all part of.
Speaker 4 (38:53):
In the other part of the first round.
Speaker 3 (38:55):
Maybe somebody you know, or a couple of teams end
up settling for that next group of quarterbacks that are
in the second round, and Russell Wilson is paired at
one of those because I do believe and Steve I
agree with Greg like he is probably in the bridge
quarterback type of range right now for where he lands,
and there's not a lot of spots where that player
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actually is needed, which makes this really kind of fascinating.
Speaker 4 (39:21):
So we'll stick with the quarterback spot.
Speaker 3 (39:23):
This guy is not a free agent, Greg, And we're
just deviating entirely from this article that we're discussing and
promoting Justin Fields. Yes, where will he get traded? Justin Fields?
And the Greg Rosenthal brain, Where does Justin Fields go?
Speaker 9 (39:39):
I think the Raiders make a lot of sense. Doesn't
he just seem like a Raider? I know, Luke Getzi's there,
he's been saying this. See we agree, we agree too much,
but he just feels like the type of guy that
Mark Davis would go get give a chance He's a
really unique guy to be available. I can't really think
of it, you know, Steven James, Maybe you guys can
think of some it. There aren't many quarterbacks who become
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available for a trade that actually have a long track
record as a starter.
Speaker 7 (40:07):
I mean, he's started a lot of games.
Speaker 9 (40:08):
He's not like Kevin Cobb coming looser, Jimmy g you know,
just getting traded off of like seven starts, Like we've
seen a lot of Justin Fields, who actually has a
lot of potential and at least has a very good
baseline play where he can be a starter. We know
in the NFL, I don't think there's any chance he's
playing in Chicago, And so with Getzi and the Raiders, I.
Speaker 7 (40:29):
Think he gives them some juice in twenty twenty four.
Speaker 2 (40:31):
What do you think I've been saying it? I have
been saying the exact same thing, Rosie.
Speaker 1 (40:35):
Plus, in that division where you have all these offensive
head coaches who have not faced a quarterback like Justin Fields,
I think the shock value alone in year one with
the Raiders could give them a ton of bounds.
Speaker 2 (40:48):
All right, here's another one talking.
Speaker 1 (40:50):
Now we're going to free agency, the player will be
you will be most shocked.
Speaker 2 (40:55):
To see change teams.
Speaker 7 (40:58):
Is I'm gonna start with Chris Jones.
Speaker 9 (41:02):
I mean, with that shock you guys at this point,
I think when I normally make these lists of the
top one O one, the top guys just get franchise tag.
His franchise tag is going to be thirty two million
dollars somewhere in that neighborhood. So I think number one
and number two on my list A little exclusive here
for the NFL Report since the list isn't actually out.
Speaker 7 (41:21):
Chris Jones and Kirk Cousins. I think they both changed teams.
Speaker 9 (41:24):
Because I think at some point the Chiefs have to decide,
maybe we got the very best out of this guy,
and Lagarious Sneed is actually our bigger priority, and Chris
Jones ends up changing teams.
Speaker 7 (41:33):
What do you think?
Speaker 3 (41:34):
I'm interested in that one because we all remember Greg
how the contract negotiations went or.
Speaker 4 (41:39):
Didn't go this past offseason.
Speaker 3 (41:42):
If you want to know an inside kind of vibe
of Chris Jones, this is what I've always been told
by people close to him. Chris didn't care about money
when he had none, So imagine what Chris thinks when
he has some he really does not care. He will
hold out if he believes that's where he thinks he
should be, if he wants a certain number, he doesn't care.
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We saw it during training camp. He doesn't care if
money is flying out of his pockets. He's the only
guy we really saw go.
Speaker 4 (42:09):
Out and do that.
Speaker 3 (42:10):
The interesting part about it, Greg would be so much
of what SPAGS does. Almost their entire run scheme is
based off of Chris Jones, and so there would be
there would have to be an adjustment up front. But
I think this team is drafted extremely well. I think
he's playing really well at a high level. He deserves
probably every penny he has. But we've noticed from Brett Viach,
if he believes it's time to cut, he's gonna cut
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and move on and find another spot to fill. And
we know that they also have Lagarius Sneed, who I
think they could tag Sneed.
Speaker 4 (42:37):
I think that could possibly be what they end up doing.
Speaker 3 (42:40):
And I love that you mentioned Kirk Cousins because I'm
the guy I didn't get a chance to chime in
on the Raiders. I believe Kirk Cousins could land in Vegas.
I think that's a spot where he could end up
landing and I could elaborate on it further, and I
would do that at another time. Let's move on to
who has to be brought back? Greg Like on this
list of one one, what team needs to bring back
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player X or it is a massive mistake.
Speaker 9 (43:06):
Okay, I'm throwing out a different name than you expect.
Jonathan Gernard is the guy for me on this list.
Speaker 4 (43:10):
I love that great year.
Speaker 9 (43:12):
He love that he developed every year in his career
as a textant, better and better and better. And then
when Demiico Ryans gets there, he just turned into a
great second pass rusher, And I love you know what
they have on the other side with the interesting But
I think having those two guys locked up, you have
a ton of cap space. Don't go searching for the
next guy. You've developed this great player. And so to me,
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having those two guys up front reminds me of some
of those forty nine ers Demiko Ryan's team where you
really started upfront with that four man pass rus You've
already got the duo for the next four or five years.
Speaker 7 (43:47):
Just keep them, just keep.
Speaker 2 (43:48):
Them, you know what, guy?
Speaker 1 (43:51):
My guy is Christian Wilkins with the Dolphins because with
Anthony Weaver now the DC.
Speaker 2 (43:56):
You saw what he do with Justin Matdowicke.
Speaker 1 (43:58):
You've seen how he's developed the line, and he's an
old defense He played defensive line.
Speaker 2 (44:02):
He coach defensive line with the Ravens.
Speaker 1 (44:04):
I think with Christian Wilkins, he could be the next
level superstar. We see how much he means at defensive front.
They let him go with two edge rushers coming off
with significant injuries.
Speaker 2 (44:14):
Bad move. They need to go ahead and pay Christian Wilkins.
Speaker 7 (44:17):
Yeah, I think they'll keep them.
Speaker 4 (44:19):
I wanted to comment on the Jonathan Garnard spot.
Speaker 3 (44:22):
Greg I love one because what jumped out at me
right away, guys was I'm looking at Aiden Hutchinson, who
has nobody on the other side, and there's times where
you saw Hutchinson get to the quarterback and there's nothing
coming from the other angle. And Jonathan Garnard had a
great year, and I think if you have a pairing
like him and will Anderson, this one I really really like.
Speaker 4 (44:41):
Greg.
Speaker 3 (44:41):
I look at I look at a couple other players.
Antoine Winfield Junior. To me, he'll probably get tagged, but
there's no way he can depart from Tampa as good
as the season he's he had maybe the best season
for any safety in all football. Another one, what do
you I want to put Greg's knowledge here? Josh Allen
the year he had in Jacksonville? Is that necessary to
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bring him back down to Jacksonville in terms of he
was really the one wrecking everything in the second half
of the season when they needed they needed a defensive
player to go out and make plays.
Speaker 9 (45:13):
No question, I just assume he'll be tagged. To me, Look,
he got Defensive Player of the Year votes this year.
He went from he was always a very good pass
rusher and he went to great this year. He was
the best player on the team. He's the best player
on the defense. He was the best player on the team.
So the one thing that annoys me, you know that
you'll see the column drops on Monday. You know, they
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take away so many of the good players with the
franchise tag and then the list just is in as
pretty so Josh Allen will be one of those guys
I believe taken.
Speaker 7 (45:41):
Off the list.
Speaker 1 (45:42):
Rosie fifteen seconds Exter were tight on time. But James
his favorite player is a free agent Drew Tranquil Oh. Yeah,
linebacker for the Chiefs, we're all doing. Man, he loves
me like a high rate rank.
Speaker 7 (45:55):
He's in my top sixty five or so. I love
me some. Drew Tranquil. I thought I was out. I
had a limb with him last year. I had him
very high.
Speaker 9 (46:02):
And the Chiefs they were looking for help and they
saw my rankings and they're like, this guy's gonna help
us win a Super Bowl.
Speaker 3 (46:07):
They I can't remember which conversation it was Greg that
I was having with Brett Veach where he was like,
I was looking at Greg Rosenthal's top one oh one,
and that's kind of what pushed us over the edge on.
Speaker 4 (46:20):
Getting Drew Tranquil.
Speaker 3 (46:21):
But you are right, like he was so valuable to
that team throughout the course of this season. Smarts in
the middle of the defense is just brilliant. And you
know what, Greg Rosenvel's got a lot of smarts as well, Steve,
a lot of smarts.
Speaker 4 (46:33):
Thank you for joining the NFL Report, Greg, appreciate it.
Speaker 3 (46:36):
Coming up the behind the scenes look of the NFL
combine what happens really in Indianapolis. Steve and I break
it down next on the NFL Report. Welcome back to
the NFL Report. The NFL Combine, presented by Nobles starts
(46:59):
next week. The D line and Linebackers kick things off
next Thursday, followed by the DBS.
Speaker 4 (47:03):
And tight ends on Friday.
Speaker 3 (47:05):
Offensive skilled players step into the limelight on Saturday at
one pm Eastern, before the O line wraps it all
up on Sunday afternoon, all here on NFL Network and
NFL Plus. I'm on my way to Indianapolis on Monday, Steve,
and I think people have one thought of what goes
on in Indianapolis. It's what they see on the TV screen.
(47:26):
But in your mind, with all the years that you've
covered the Combine in Indianapolis, what stands out to you
that maybe people don't know about the ongoings in Indianapolis.
Speaker 1 (47:35):
First off, Jp, I'm not going to have a nice
halibit at the Ocean Air for me one night.
Speaker 2 (47:40):
You got to make sure you can make that happen.
Speaker 1 (47:41):
So some great things about the Combine kind of behind
the scenes, especially for us in the media, is we
get to sit down at tables and stuff and speak
to some of these draft prospects.
Speaker 2 (47:51):
Remember, we cover the NFL.
Speaker 1 (47:53):
We don't get to spend a lot of time talking
to these draft prospects, which is the same thing that
a lot of these head coaches and coordinators are going
through because they're coaching in the season. So this is
their first exposure, you know, to a lot of these
players in watching them do on field drills.
Speaker 2 (48:10):
But jp also some.
Speaker 1 (48:11):
Of these interviews, these kind of ten to fifteen minute
speed gating interviews they do with these prospects at like
ten pm at night, after they've been scouting and watching
film all day. So I think the first interaction with
a lot of these collegiate players is one of the
things that a lot of people don't understand that it's
not just the stuff they're seeing on the field, but
(48:32):
again the stuff that happens behind the scenes and those
important to those conversations.
Speaker 3 (48:37):
It's funny, Steve, a lot of people have told me
with the are in these interviews, how prepared or over
prepared or scripted some of.
Speaker 4 (48:43):
These players are in these combined interviews.
Speaker 3 (48:45):
They almost want to see them in their building and
sit down with them, maybe at the quarterback position, with
you know, a whiteboard if you will, or whatnot, spend
a little more time with them. The other part is
so many contracts are talked about between agents and general managers,
and Ryan Poles is going to be in a lot
of rooms that were not I'm gonna see talking to
teams about potential trades that go on. Those are the
two biggest things that happen in terms of trading picks
(49:07):
and in trading players and you know, working out new contracts.
All right, because of the combine, Steve, next week, we
only have one show and that is going to be
on Thursday at seven o'clock.
Speaker 4 (49:20):
So my time in Indie eating.
Speaker 3 (49:22):
Halibit, apparently in your mind is what's gonna end up happening.
So I'll see you Thursday when we take that bad Boy.
Enjoy New Orleans.
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