April 24, 2024 • 50 mins
JERRY JONES SOUNDS OFF
- What Jerry just said about expected contract negotiations with Dak Prescott, Micah Parsons & Cee Dee Lamb
- What WOULD constitute a perfect draft for Dallas?
ONE-DERFUL NEWS
- Why Caleb Williams isn’t the BEST choice at 1 … he’s the ONLY choice
- Who is the best choice for the Commanders @ 2?
MAKE IT or MOVE IT?
- What should the Bears do with the 9th pick?
- What should the Patriots do @ 3?
AARON RODGERS 2.0
- Which QB Prospect may experience a Rodgers-esque fall on day one of the draft?
- Which QB Prospect may fall out of the first round altogether?!
TEXANS 2.0
- Which NFL team is destined to make the biggest move of day 1?
TRENDING DOWN
- Which 2 position groups … one on offense, one on defense … may be left completely OUT of round 1
PLUS …
- Interview with Oregon QB Prospect Bo Nix
- Special preview of the NFL360 Draft Special … featuring the incredible stories of Laiatu Latu & 3 other prospects
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
NFL Total Access is a production of the NFL in
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Speaker 2 (00:05):
It's Wednesday, April twenty fourth, and you're listening to NFL
Total Access, the podcast.
Speaker 3 (00:15):
That is the joyful voice of today's special guest, the
Super Bowl champion, the one hundredth overall pick in the
two thousand and six NFL Draft, the Real Mike rob
Let's welcome back to the the Real Mike rob Michael Robinson.
Speaker 1 (00:30):
So nice to hear your voice, Bud.
Speaker 4 (00:32):
Always good to hear your voice. Dude. Let's get it, man,
let's go draft Almost.
Speaker 1 (00:35):
Here, Michael, Where are you right now? Let's GPS? Your
butt is it? Are you in the car?
Speaker 4 (00:39):
You on the are you?
Speaker 1 (00:40):
Are you traveling somewhere? Where are you?
Speaker 4 (00:42):
I'm in the car on my way to middle school
track practice.
Speaker 1 (00:44):
There you go, middle school track practice. I know I
know how you roll. I know how your kid rolls.
And the answer to that is how does he roll fast?
I'm your host, NFL Network Senior writer Andrew Lady, and
today's show is our final countdown. It's the twenty twenty
four NFL Draft. I'm going to share eightest mock draft
top tens. I'm gonna Pepper, MicroB with a few questions
that are befitting the excitement and the nerves and the
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neuro seas of draft Eve MicroB, it is almost time
to start the clock and queue the roster building, the
star ascension, the drama which begins tomorrow. Real quickly, let's
take care of a little business. The twenty twenty four
NFL Draft presented by bud Light. Seven rounds over three
days live from Detroit. NFL network draft coverage is presented
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by Verizon. You can catch additional coverage on ABC, ESPN,
ESPN Deportes and streaming on NFL Plus. It all starts Thursday,
that's tomorrow, April twenty fifth, at eight pm Eastern. Visit
NFL dot com slash draft for more information. Okay, MicroB,
those are the details. Let's get to the deal. I
have questions, you have answers. Let's get to it. Starting
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with question number one about pick number one. Caleb Williams
is being called a generational talent. Now it's hard for
me to find consensus on what that even means. Does
it mean once in a generation talent or someone who
will come to define his generation? Truth be told, You
and I both know, Mike Rob Bears fans don't care
one bit about what it means. All they want to
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know is why they should go to bed tonight with
nothing but hope and joy about picking at Caleb Williams
number one tomorrow. Mike Rob, it seems he will be
the pick. Why is he the right pick?
Speaker 5 (02:25):
Well?
Speaker 2 (02:25):
I do believe Caleb Williams is the best quarterback in
this draft.
Speaker 4 (02:29):
I mean he can do it all.
Speaker 2 (02:31):
I mean he has every tool that you would want
your franchise quarterback to have, whether it's on talent, whether
it's the ability to move his pocket, presence has downfill throwing,
his ability to throw on time, which I would like
to see him do a little bit more of that.
You know, He's a creator quarterback, you know, kind of
like what I was in college. A guy that's able
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to create his own offense. So that is why Chicago
Bears fans should be excited about the number one pick
in the draft. But while I say that, at the
very same time, how long this league has been around?
Speaker 1 (03:07):
Drew one hundred plus years now? Yeah, we're over or
we're over the century mark. We hit that a few
years back.
Speaker 4 (03:13):
Yeah, I remember we had all the pins on our
titles and stuff.
Speaker 1 (03:18):
Yes, we did well. You wear ties that I had
a pin on my jean jacket. But yeah, the point stance,
you get.
Speaker 4 (03:24):
What I'm saying.
Speaker 2 (03:24):
Well, in the whole damn hundred one hundred plus years
of this league, the Chicago Bears hadn't had a four
thousand yard passer, or they hadn't taken a first round pick, drafted, developed,
and this kid became successful.
Speaker 4 (03:37):
It just hadn't happened.
Speaker 2 (03:38):
So, yes, I do believe they've built a tremendous team
around the potential first overall pick and Caleb Williams. Yes,
I do think that this roster's legit. I do think
that the city's ready for a winner. I do think
that Kayler williams arm talent is amazing. In all of that,
and yes, I'm with you, I don't really know what
a generational quarterback is.
Speaker 4 (03:58):
Like I told Brian Balding of the other are you
telling me.
Speaker 2 (04:01):
This guy's the greatest quarterback to ever come out of
college football?
Speaker 4 (04:04):
Ever? No, we're not saying that.
Speaker 2 (04:06):
So with all I just said, Drew, what leads anybody
to believe that the Chicago Bears are going to be
able to develop this kid and make him a successful
franchise quarterback. Now, I just haven't seen it, and I
haven't seen proof of it. So my heart wants to
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say yes. My heart wants to see Ryan Poles and
Mattiebraflus and these guys do a great job.
Speaker 4 (04:31):
But my mind says, you gotta.
Speaker 2 (04:35):
Show me proof that you're even capable of doing it,
and this ent our organization hadn't shown that.
Speaker 1 (04:39):
Translation, Mike Robb says to you Bears fans, yes, go
to bed tonight, rest well, be happy, be joyful, because
Caleb Williams is, in fact the best quarterback in the draft,
and that's the kid that you, by all accounts, are
about to draft. He does, of course warn you with
a note of caution that he has shared with us
on this podcast before, which is that your history isn't great.
You don't have great developers, you don't have great quarterback teachers.
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But maybe this pupil is good enough to make your
current teachers look like graduate level professor's time will tell.
Question number two about pick number two is Jaden Daniels
Michael Robinson the obvious and best pick for the Commanders
at two.
Speaker 2 (05:19):
If I was the head coach and general manager of
the Washington Commanders. Yeah, it'd be obvious for me, and
simply because you gotta look at the history of the
head coach. When you look at Dan Quinn, a guy
who I was with in Seattle for a long time.
He's a good friend of mine. He's a guy that
look at the last time he had an opportunity to
be a head coach, he was with the Atlanta Falcons,
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blown the biggest lead in Super Bowl history to a
Tom Brady and you look at the nature and how
they lost their game. They stopped running the football, their
quarterback wasn't his mobile. They just wasn't able to make
the place. I just don't think that dan Quinn getting
a second shot at a head coach is going to
go into this thing and not have a real dynamic
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mover at the quarterback position. To me, it just has
to be Jane Daniels. Now, I'm not that Drake May.
I'm not saying that Drake May isn't deservant of the
number two overall picking in the NFL Draft. But what
I am saying is I think Jane Daniels is just
my QB one in this entire draft. So yeah, I
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gotta go with James Days and.
Speaker 1 (06:26):
His mobility may seal the deal in the end for
dan Quinn, the dan Quinn that Michael Robinson knows very well.
Let's talk about number three. The run on quarterbacks may
continue at three with the Patriots currently in that third hole,
and they could take Drake May or JJ McCarthy, or
they could go off script and take Panox or Bonnicks.
Who knows. We don't know what they will do. But
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Michael Robinson, my question for you is what should they do?
Take the pick or trade the pick.
Speaker 2 (06:51):
I think, depending on who the trade partner is, I
think if they can stay in the top fifteen, they
give themselves a shot at one of the other quarterbacks
that are you know, not the top three, but the
other two or three that are right there where you
talk about Bowl Knicks, Michael Pennix, and you can even
throw Spencer Rattler in that mix. So I do think
that depending on the trade partner, I think the Patriots
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can trade down, get more draft capitol and draft assets
and still be able to come away from this draft
with their quarterback. And I always have to go back
to what Robert Craft said at the beginning of the offseason,
right after Bill Belichick moved on I expect us, and
I'm not quoting, but the idea was, I expect us
to figure out a way to get a quarterback in
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this draft. So I do think they're going to do
everything in their power to build the team at the
same time looking for opportunities to get that franchise quarterback.
Speaker 1 (07:42):
Translation that pick at three may be immovable pick, but
just don't move it too far. Michael Robinson's advice stay
in the top fifteen, so that means Giants at six,
Vikings at eleven, Broncos at twelve, Raiders at thirteen. Michael
Robinson has just slyly put you on blast. You want
to move, you want to get your quarterback. Make a
deal with the Patriots at three. Just keep the Patriots
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in the top fifteen so it's a win win and
they can get their guy. Michael. Let's talk about the Cowboys.
They are interesting, as per usual. I say that with
an eye roll, but it happens to be true. With
the twenty fourth pick, our experts in our building have
projected them taking an O lineman, mostly Oregon center Jackson Powers.
Johnson is getting a lot of Love, maybe Duke offensive
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lineman Graham Barton, or even that tackle out of Oklahoma,
Tyler Geiton. We have also seen company for Cede Lamb
in that wide receiver room Texas wide receiver Xavier Worthy,
he of the record forty time is one possibility. Cowboys
owner Jerry Jones surprised all of us yesterday. Flanked by
Stephen Jones and head coach Mike McCarthy, he bristled a
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little bit on Tuesday morning when asked why there is
no update on the contract negotiation status of Dak Prescott,
Micah Parsons, and viaforementioned Cede Lamb. Here's what he had
to say.
Speaker 5 (09:01):
You may be working on it and not moving anything
but eyebrows. Who in the world would think that we're
not working on it. I work on it at Pop's
open at two in the morning. Sometimes what your actually
question is is why don't you have something done and
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negotiated and put in the drawer, and so you never
know you might give money to somebody that you shouldn't
have given it to. You got two or three of
those names around here for me. I've been reading about
them all week.
Speaker 1 (09:36):
Michael Robinson, you heard it translation hour panic is not
his problem. I kind of like MicroB that they didn't
sign these guys to extensions. Yet they're kind of zigging
when others are zagging, and they're kind of making this
an ostensible prove it year for everybody on this roster.
It strikes me as kind of an interesting move. But
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Mike Rob, how would you describe it? Is this wisdom
or is this dean?
Speaker 4 (10:00):
I love it. I love it.
Speaker 2 (10:03):
This is totally goes against everything we've seen the Dallas
Cowboys and Jerry Jones do in the recent in recent history,
and to Dallas Cowboy fans, I'd be smiling, I'd be happy.
Speaker 4 (10:14):
I'd say, well, damn well.
Speaker 2 (10:16):
In previous off seasons, we made all these splash signings,
made everybody was getting fat, you know, and getting.
Speaker 4 (10:23):
Money and all of that, and what did it do.
Speaker 2 (10:25):
We put us a great roster, we won twelve games,
but we get into the playoffs and we don't win.
Speaker 4 (10:30):
How about if we just tell these guys go prove it,
go prove it.
Speaker 2 (10:35):
Let me starve you a little bit so you can
go out there and show us that you're hungry.
Speaker 4 (10:39):
I love it. And at the end of the at
the end of the day.
Speaker 2 (10:42):
I think Jerry Jones is loving it too, because these guys,
these players now have to the dramas out out of it.
Now they have to look at themselves in the mirror
and say, this is all there's no there's no cavalry coming.
This is who we got and young players got a
step up. I actually loved it.
Speaker 1 (10:58):
I love that you love it, and I love that
you said starve them a little bit, make them hungry, because,
as we learn from Jason Kelcey of the now famous
underdog Philadelphia Super Bowl champion Eagles, hungry dogs run faster. Then,
when he was asked about the draft, mister Jones said this.
Speaker 5 (11:18):
We're very proud of our personal he very proud of
this roster, very much think this roster without knowing right
now how much the rookies are going to contribute, We're
very very feel good about the promise of the team
that we're going to have this year with this roster.
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All in, all in, all in, we're all in with
these young guys coming out. For me, I was an
offensive lineman. They're always the smartest, the best looking, and
they're the ones that end up on in the teams.
Speaker 1 (11:58):
Okay, Michael Robinson. There it is again the all in reference.
Uh liked the bit where he said that this is
a roster he's proud of, because this really is an
enviable NFL roster in so many ways, Mike, the Cowboys
have seven picks in all to address their all in claims,
they have the twenty fourth pick in the first round.
Of course, they've got one in the second, one in
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the third, one in the fifth, one in the sixth,
and two in the seventh. What should they do with
those picks? Maybe the better question is, in your estimation,
what would constitute a successful draft for this Dallas Cowboys team?
Speaker 4 (12:32):
Oh?
Speaker 2 (12:33):
Wow, to me, the Dallas Cowboys were the best again
in recent years. And actually you can even make this
claim when Jay Jones first bought the team, maybe winning
all those Super bowls.
Speaker 4 (12:44):
The line of scrimmage has to be taken care of.
Speaker 2 (12:47):
This offensive line has to be dominant again it hadn't
been dominant.
Speaker 4 (12:51):
And I can argue four or five.
Speaker 2 (12:52):
Years, if they can rebuild the offensive line, maybe go
get that center, that kid out out of Duke that
can play a multiple positions on the offensive line, you know,
maybe get another offensive line later on offensive lineman later
on in the draft. But you got to build some
depth so that you can actually be a bully in
the run game, so that you can make playing quarterback
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a little easier for whoever is the quarterback after Dak Prescott.
Because I'm a firm believer the fact that the business
of this offseason, we haven't seen Dak Prescott, get this,
get this extension. I believe Dak Prescott is playing his
last year with the Dallas Cowboys. And so when Jerry
says I'm all in, I think that means for coaches,
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it means for players, it means, guys, this.
Speaker 4 (13:36):
Is all we got. This is the roster.
Speaker 2 (13:39):
You guys are gonna have to look look at yourselves
in the mirror and go out there and win games.
We've won thirty six games over the last three years.
To me, that's good enough. And again I gotta repeat,
I love it.
Speaker 1 (13:49):
I hope you heard what I heard. Listener, Michael Robinson
just dropped, almost casually. I believe that this will be
the final year that Dak Prescott plays for the Dallas Cowboys.
So you know, and all your guys make it a
good one. You are listening to NFL Total Access to Podcast,
The super Bowl champion, the Real Mike rob Michael Robinson
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is our special guest today, and Michael, I should think
there's a little bit of draft fatigue that hits you
and other analysts and experts this time of year, because
you've been fielding questions from you know, armchair guys like
me for the last however many weeks. And I know
that you're probably just up to here with it, but
I just want to pick your brain in this final
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day this draft eve about a couple players who may
have caught your eye. I know you really like edge
rusher out of UCLA, Latu Latsu. We're gonna hear a
little bit about him and his story in a little bit.
But what is it about this player that has some
believing he may be the best edge rusher in this draft?
Speaker 5 (14:50):
Oh?
Speaker 4 (14:51):
Man, I love a lot too.
Speaker 2 (14:53):
You know, you look at normal you look at other
pass rushers right, and you say, Okay, this guy's speed guy, cool,
all right. You look at other guys like the Kid
Verse out Ohio State. This guy's a power guy. Like
he's gonna put a tackle on skates. He's gonna get
long in his arms, get the long arm like Willia
McGinnis our friend used to do and he's gonna literally
bowl people over. When I look at Leatu Latu, this
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dude can do it all. Like he can beat you
with speed, he can beat you with fanesse, he has
a counter move. I've seen him spin, I've seen him
loop in the A gap and totally have a running
back miss by trying to hit him in the A gap. Like,
this dude has it all. He's to me, he's one
of the few defensive guys in this draft, especially in
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the past rushing position. You draft this guy, you put
a jersey on him, and you say go eat, go hunt,
and I think he can fit in almost any defense
in the National Football League. So yeah, the position flexibility,
the moves that this kid has, and he reminds me
of Max Crosby, so to speak, like just real slippery
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be Jared Allen back in the day. I hated trying
to block Jared Allen back in the day because I
could never get a real good, firm hit on him.
Speaker 4 (16:08):
Lottu reminds me of guys in that van.
Speaker 1 (16:11):
Jared Allen had a thousand sacks in his NFL career,
So man, that's I didn't I kind of forgot that, Yes,
you were. You were chipping away at guys like Jared
Allen in your career. Translation about Latu Latsu from Michael
Robinson is this kid a specialist at the edge rusher position. Yeah,
a specialist at doing everything. Well, there's another guy who
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caught your eye, and I really like this scouting report
from you, Tyler Nuban, a defensive back out of Minnesota. Now,
obviously we know you from a lot of your Big
Ten coverage this year. You were at all the big
games in the Big Ten this season. We loved your coverage.
You're so good at this stuff, Michael. But Tyler Nuban
caught your eye? What is it about this d back
that puts him, you know, maybe higher on draft boards
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than people might have expected.
Speaker 2 (16:55):
You know what, UH drew a lot of you before
being a part of the Big Tennis past year.
Speaker 4 (17:01):
I had no idea about Tyler Knuban. I really did
not would.
Speaker 2 (17:04):
I covered a couple of games, and when I was
preparing for the games, I'm just like, every game, every
time the ball was in the air, every time the
ball was on the ground, every time the ball passed
the line of scrimmage. This kid had something to do
with it. He was around the football, and I just
kept on thinking, like, man's that's weird. It's just like
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every single every tip of the football like he's around it.
Speaker 4 (17:29):
Like I think he led.
Speaker 2 (17:32):
Minnesota and career interceptions or something like that. The kid
just is around the ball. So that's what I first
noticed about him. And then I got a production meetings
with him, and I was able to hear about the
kids you know growing you know, the kid's background and
the fact that both of his parents were big time
athletes at Western Kentucky, I mean not Western Kentucky, Western Michigan.
Speaker 4 (17:51):
Like it's in his blood, it's in his DNA. And
then to.
Speaker 2 (17:55):
See him going through walkthroughs and how he just is
a general in the back, you start to realize why
this guy's always around the football. He is football IQ
was off the chain. He's highly athletic. His brother as
another kid on the football team, so you can see it.
It's in his genetics. I just could not hide the
fact that or I couldn't get away from the fact
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that this kid stayed around the football and he's a
short tackler. I think he is one of those like
can't miss prospects like I don't care what defense, I
don't care what covered you like to play. I don't
care where you put him, whether it's strong or free,
whether he's in the back of where he's around the
line of scrimmage.
Speaker 4 (18:31):
This kid is going to make an impact on your defense.
I love them.
Speaker 1 (18:34):
Listener, if you're scoring at home, that is a can't
miss prospect. And Michael doesn't throw that around will and
nilly Tyler newban d back out of Minnesota. If your
team is fortunate enough to find this kid available and
you take him, good for you, because that is a
steal of the twenty twenty four NFL draft. Michael, there's
something about players in the Big Ten. I know that
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SEC has their thumb on the scale and has had
their thumb on the scale for a long long time.
And we kind of as a culture, as a nation,
we kind of assume that the SEC has the edge
a little bit some years a lot in terms of
their programs, their dominance, and yes, the players that they
put forth for NFL consideration. And yet there's something about
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Big Ten guys like yourself, a Penn State alum, Guys
like Tyler Numan who play in Minnesota. There's something about
playing in the conditions on hard AstroTurf when it's thirteen
below with the windshield, something about playing in Iowa, in Wisconsin,
at Michigan State, at the Big House, at Penn State,
in these places where conditions are not favorable. That creates
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tougher kids, kids who are versatile, kids who do have
position flexibility, not necessarily because of their coaching and their
skill set, but because of their mindset. Am I overstating
that It's there just something to the creation that kind
of iron sharpens iron that you get in the Big
Ten with those conditions, in those climates.
Speaker 4 (20:00):
Absolutely, it's a recruiting tool too.
Speaker 2 (20:02):
You literally just hit the energy that every Big Ten
coach tries to.
Speaker 4 (20:09):
Relate to income and recruits, like it's.
Speaker 2 (20:12):
A different dude to play in the Big Ten, and
it takes a different guy to play in the Big Ten,
and you're right on him.
Speaker 1 (20:18):
The Chicago Bears have the first overall pick, but don't
forget listener, they also have the ninth overall pick, Mike
rob We talked about it earlier with the Patriots. This
is one of those make the pick or move the
pick situations with the Bears. At nine, and of course
it's an annual question for almost every team in the draft.
The Bears only have four total picks. That's fewest of
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any team in this year's draft. Michael Robinson, what say
you make the pick or move the pick?
Speaker 2 (20:46):
Oh, that's a tough one, because you know, the Bears
have done a great job over the last few years
of building a great roster.
Speaker 4 (20:53):
I don't see other than the quarterback position super.
Speaker 2 (20:56):
I mean, big big Gland needs. I think they can
get some pass Ru's help as well. But at nine,
if there's a Roma Doonze still around, how can you
not get that kid?
Speaker 4 (21:08):
Man?
Speaker 2 (21:09):
Like, how can you not put him on the opposite
side of Dj Moore and.
Speaker 4 (21:12):
Say, come on, Caleb, let's just go. Let's just go.
You know what I'm saying.
Speaker 2 (21:15):
So I'm in the camp of depending on who's still available,
which again before this ninth pick a lot. You know,
it has a lot to do with it. But if
Roma Doonze is there, I say you take the wide receiver.
Speaker 1 (21:29):
Translation, no, you don't move the pick. You make the pick,
and if he's available, you make the pick. Rome Adunze. Michael,
what team is most likely to make the most noise
on day one. I think we can agree that day
one last year we saw the Texans make the hell
of a lot of noise, certainly in retrospect, but also
in the moment, picking CJ. Stroud second and then making
the move up to number three to get Will Anderson
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Junior third. Two now pillars of a roster that for
whom the stars are the limit. Is there a team
that you reckon like that? Maybe the Viking, the Cardinals,
or the Bears. That may be an easy answer, since
those three teams have two picks a piece. But are
you expecting a team to make a lot of noise?
And who strikes you as a team perfectly suited to
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make that noise?
Speaker 4 (22:11):
We gotta be honest.
Speaker 2 (22:12):
I mean the teams with multiple picks, obviously, they're the
ones who you gotta look to first.
Speaker 4 (22:18):
And I gotta look at the Minnesota Vikings.
Speaker 2 (22:20):
I mean Minnesota Vikers over the last couple of years
when they had Kirk Cousins without Aaron Rodgers in that division.
I mean the division was literally laid on a platter
for them to win, and they could not consistently get
it done. So I'm looking at the you know, Kevin
O'Connell and this Minnesota Vikings staff, Like, Yo, if we
don't get the quarterback, if we don't get if we
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don't get a replacement, we could all be without a
job next year. Like I think it's to that level
of concern. So for me, it has to be in
Minnesota Vikers. And then I know this trade just happened
a couple of days ago with Zach Wilson going to Denver.
And again, the minute that trade happened, all I thought
about was, Man, Sean Payton's got to deal with Nathaniel
Hacketts guys again.
Speaker 4 (23:01):
But hey, that's a whole another conversation.
Speaker 1 (23:04):
Honestly, Michael, I didn't even consider that. Thank you for
that that context, which should have been obvious to us.
But no, you're absolutely right to call that out, Like
careful what you wish for, buddy. You just got more
of what you said you didn't want.
Speaker 4 (23:15):
You just got more of it.
Speaker 2 (23:16):
Right, So, Like that was funny to me just knowing
Sean Payton, knowing the type of guy he is, They're gonna.
Speaker 1 (23:24):
Don't be surprised if there's a holla from Mile High, right, Yeah.
Speaker 2 (23:28):
Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, that's all that's really and I
know they don't have a lot of draft capital, and
I know they may be pulling from year from form,
you know, upcoming years, but it's off for me to
see Sean Payton not making something happen.
Speaker 1 (23:40):
We interrupt this podcast to bring you quarterback prospect bo Nicks,
twenty four years old, projected as high as top fifteen
or as low as a Day two player. This is
a player that Today's special guest Michael Robinson, when asked
for a three word description of bow Knicks, called wait
for it listener athletic Drew Breeze Hello. He also threw
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in two others for free, the Completion Machine and the
Walking Completion Michael Robinson, I love those descriptions, and NFL
scouts are gonna love those descriptions too, And it kind
of makes sense. This is a player who posted the
third lowest depth of target in the last five years
amongst Power five quarterbacks, So clearly he is really accurate
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and really good at getting the ball out quickly, getting
it out short, getting it in playmaker's hands and letting
them do the rest. Michael, what is your instinct on
this player that you call an athletic Drew Brees that's
one hell of a comp bro.
Speaker 4 (24:34):
Yeah it is.
Speaker 2 (24:35):
And Drew Brees, I mean, obviously Hall of Famer, all
of those things, leader, the field, general, whatever you want
to call it. But he was a smaller guy and
he couldn't move like bow Knicks. I'm just being honest.
Bow Nix is what six about two pounds. And the
reason why I call him an athletic Drew Brees or
walking completion is because the guy is highly accurate with
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the football and he processes. Now, part of his offense
was a little bit of matchup and concepts, creating one
on ones with guys he knew was gonna win. But
the accuracy and the ball placement. Oftentimes he put the
ball in positions where his guys can catch the football
and run. And me, being a guy or fullback who
used to catch the ball, you know, a yard from
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the front part of his front number, I needed the
football in a certain place so I could turn hard
hatt and shoulders and go get yards down the football field.
Bow Knicks is one of those guys, and quite frankly,
he may luck up because.
Speaker 4 (25:32):
He's not rated at one of the top two or
three guys.
Speaker 2 (25:35):
He may look up and land in a perfect situation,
probably at the bottom of the first or the top
of the second, because the bottom of the first and
top of the second, guys, I mean, that's pretty much
around in its own guys all highly rated, rated in
the first.
Speaker 4 (25:48):
Round, but just slipping to the second.
Speaker 2 (25:50):
So I look at bow Knicks and that group of guys,
especially with all of these quarterback needed.
Speaker 1 (25:54):
Teams, very very interesting. Bo Necks one of the more
perplexing prospects in this draft, simply because we know what
he can do, but we just don't know where that
fits best and where it will fit best come draft Day.
JJ McCarthy Michael is another one of those players, and
you watched him play a ton this season. Jonathan James McCarthy,
here's a question that's kind of blunt, but I'm going
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to ask it. What is this player? Is he a
system guy? Is he a manager not a creator? Is
he better maybe than the film might indicate? Is he
a future NFL star? You did watch him a lot
this season? What is your take on Jonathan James McCarthy.
Speaker 4 (26:31):
Yeah, I do think he is.
Speaker 2 (26:35):
He's better than what we've seen over the last couple
of years, what we saw from his offense was just,
you know, a real pro style offense with they were
just better at the line of scrimmage than anybody that
they played. And I don't follow JJ McCarthy for not
having all of these crazy numbers and things like that.
Speaker 4 (26:55):
He was on the.
Speaker 2 (26:55):
Best college football team in college football. So kudos for
even being able to manage where the ball goes. Kudos
are being able to manage the personalities and be able
to play for coach Hardball. I say that, but this
is interesting to me, Drew, because you know, you know,
I was a former quarterback in college too, and I
always got to look at my own experience and some
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of the things that people said I was good at
with processing and field generalship and stuff like that, all
of a sudden didn't mean anything in two thousand and six,
and now we're talking about those same traits being first
round traits. And I get it, you know what I mean,
I totally get it. I think JJ McCarthy is truly
a second round guy.
Speaker 4 (27:38):
That's just my personal opinion.
Speaker 2 (27:40):
And Guys, I don't want this to sound like I'm
being negative on them, but I do think quarterbacks get
pushed up because of the need and because of the
value of the position. If we're truly looking at skills set,
if we're truly looking at skills and tools to be
able to do your job. I don't know if JJ
McCarthy's in the top thirty two.
Speaker 1 (28:00):
Listen, we're in the business evaluation and you, as a
you know, an NFL stock advisor, you're advising us to
recognize that the valuation of this asset. It may be
a week one starter, but it's a day two pick
at least in your estimation. Final questioning on the quarterbacks, Michael,
thank you for your time. Who has the better career
in the end? Who five, seven, ten, twenty years from
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now will we look back on and say, had the
better career, had the best career of Caleb Williams, Jayden Daniels,
Drake May, Michael Pennix, JJ McCarthy, bow Nicks. Who wins
that race because that is the long race, that's the
race that gets you legacy, that's the race that gets
you endorsement deals when you're sixty. Who has the best
career of those guys?
Speaker 3 (28:43):
Yeah?
Speaker 2 (28:44):
Right off the top, I want to say jayd and
Daniel just you know what he did in sec won
the Heisman. You saw him operate well at Arizona State
as well, then you see him go to LSU and
continue to do the same thing. I heard his coach,
coach Kelly a couple of interviews this week, and he
was just talking about we didn't even do some of
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the stuff, you know, that he could be even better at,
as far as moving, you know, throwing the ball in
the run, moving to last point, all.
Speaker 4 (29:09):
Of those things.
Speaker 2 (29:09):
We just didn't even put it on this plate. We
also think that's a part of some of the things
he can do. So you know, I could go on
and on about James Daniels, but I would say Michael
Pennis if he gets to the right situation, if the
health stands up, because this guy's knowledge of football, this
guy's you know, his arm, talent, his attitude toward being great.
Speaker 4 (29:33):
And again this is a little bit.
Speaker 2 (29:34):
You know, I had a chance to talk to him
in the hotel at the Combine and spend some time
with him. I think Michael Pennick's with the right situation,
I think we're gonna look back in ten years and
this kid is gonna wow us. He's gonna be the
franchise guy. He could be most the most successful.
Speaker 1 (29:48):
We interrupt this podcast to bring you a public service
announcement that our friend's over at the Emmy Award winning
show and just recently eleven time again Emmy nominated NFL
three sixty have premiered their Draft special. The premiere was
last night on NFL Network and can now be seen
on the NFL's YouTube channel. And this NFL three sixty
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Draft Special, as you have come to expect from this
extraordinary team of filmmakers, goes far beyond the combine field
and the pro day pitch and the draft day stage
to bring us stories about NFL prospects that we need
to know. Forty time vertical jump, Yeah, try again. We're
talking character and context and conflict to the life journey
(30:35):
of some very talented football players who may, by the
end of this weekend listener, be part of your journey
as a football fan wearing your team's jersey. Incredible stories
of resilience brought to us by the team headed up
by showrunner of NFL three sixty, Trent Cooper, who joins
us today Trent Cooper, Bucks Fan, thank you so much
(30:55):
for making time before we get to your incredible work
on NFL three sixty. Let me just hit you where
it hurts, right in the gut. As a Bucks fan.
You're sitting there at twenty six. It's the perfect draft
from my Bucks.
Speaker 6 (31:06):
If they do what three things edge edge edge?
Speaker 1 (31:11):
Okay, do you have a name attached to that? Wish?
Speaker 5 (31:14):
I do?
Speaker 6 (31:14):
I do two things? Lat too, lat too.
Speaker 1 (31:18):
There you go, look at you.
Speaker 4 (31:19):
You're so good.
Speaker 1 (31:20):
Okay, you're sitting there at twenty six. You want lots
LOTSU good luck, Bud. You're gonna have to make a
hell of a move up the draft board to get him,
but you're prepared to tell your Bucks to make that move.
Speaker 6 (31:29):
If Jason Light, the best GM in football is listening,
be ready, get your phone out.
Speaker 4 (31:35):
You got to move about six spots to get my gut.
You may have to.
Speaker 1 (31:39):
You may have to move more than six spots.
Speaker 6 (31:41):
Coop Brown, he has We just trade that. Let's go
up a few spots and go get a lot too.
Speaker 1 (31:45):
Lots of incredible stories of resilience, which include the story
of the aforementioned lot too. Latsu, You're gonna tell us
a little bit about him in a moment. But Trent
as the filmmaker, as the leader of this show, what
is it that you are so excited and so proud
about this particular NFL three sixty episode.
Speaker 6 (32:05):
We love this time of year because we get to
hand pick what we believe are the best stories in
this year's draft, and we get to bring them to
the fans. And these are four kids that you're gonna
love what they're all about. But you will feel their
story as you watch them play. You see it in
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their game, and Mike Crop says that all the time.
He says, I can see I can feel their story
when I watch them play. And that's what these four
guys are bringing to the table.
Speaker 1 (32:34):
Amazing, amazing. Okay, well, let's start with Law two. Law two,
because his is a story of incredible resilience. He was
told he was done playing the game, and yet tomorrow
you and I both know we will hear his name
on day one of the draft. Trent, I guess mom
was right. Sometimes you can't take no for an answer.
Speaker 6 (32:52):
Yeah, I mean the term is you can't tell a
warrior to put down a sword. You know that that's said.
And the piece this is a kid who started his
college career in Washington and had a neck injury, and
you know it was a stinger, and it was it
was concerning and scary, and and the doctors advised him
he was he was advised to to medically retire.
Speaker 4 (33:15):
Wow.
Speaker 6 (33:16):
And he did what they told him to do, and
he was out of the game for two years.
Speaker 4 (33:19):
But he wouldn't let it go.
Speaker 6 (33:21):
And and the heart is so big in this kid,
and he just never stopped training, never stopped working out.
And his mom saw this in him, and she's like,
you know, maybe there's something here, Maybe there's another opinion.
They sought out the greatest neck spine surgeon doctor in
the world, and they they they they saw him, and
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he sought through a different lens and they got him
back on the field. And now he's the most devastating
pass rusher in college football. And he's gonna end up
on my Tampa Bay Buccaneers.
Speaker 1 (33:56):
Yeah, don't hold your breath on that one. But I
kind of I love that Trent, I really do. Told
that he should medically retire. Imagine hearing what is he nineteen,
probably twenty years old when this happens, You're medically retired.
And he goes from hearing those words medically retired to
what he will hear tomorrow, which is Welcome to the NFL.
Extraordinary stuff. There's another amazing story. Hashtag free tes helped
(34:21):
me understand this one. This is an unbelievable story about
North Carolina wide receiver Devontes Walker.
Speaker 6 (34:27):
This is a kid who had a bumpy ride as
he entered college football. He started out right after National
signing Day in high school. The next day blew out
his knee training and I mean gruesome knee injury, meniscus,
acl of the whole thing. So he lost that year.
Then he loses the next year to COVID. Then he
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finally gets going in year three at Kent State, but
they read shirt him. And then in year four he
rips up college football at Kent State and there's this
famous game where he tore University of Georgia and everyone's like, WHOA,
who's this guy? But all along his heart is torn
because he's so close to his grandmother and he grew
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up acting as her caretaker. She had multiple surgeries, she
has spine problems, she has me and hip problem, so
he lived with her. He was her paper and he
needed to get home to be closer to her. So
he transfers back home to North Carolina and he gets
jammed up in this huge NCAA eligibility controversy where they
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wouldn't accept his waiver and they used to have a
rule where you could transfer if you'd get a waiver
if you had a sick relative, and they changed the
rule two days after he transferred. It was a disaster.
And what we love about the story is the University
of North Carolina, led by Mac Brown, the head coach,
and the entire state of North Carolina gets behind this
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kid and starts a movement and they call it the
free Tes movement and the chance would just lift your spirit. Man,
the entire stadium chain free as Walker. Just great stuff.
And of course the NCAA revisits and looks back, and
they go through and the appeals and they overturn their ruling.
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He gets back on the field with Drake May and
they light it up and you get to see that
and it's it's a great It's a Frank Kappra movie. Man,
the community coming together to take care of a good
kid with a big heart.
Speaker 1 (36:26):
I don't see Jimmy Stewart being able to pull off
De Vontees Walker, But we're going to talk about the
Kappra angle in a moment, Let's turn to a quarterback
whose name is simply not mentioned enough, because listener, you
are inundated with references to Caleb Williams and Jayden Daniels
and Drake May and JJ McCarthy and Michael Panics and
bow Nicks, the five guys that we expect to be
called either on day one or very close to day one.
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And yet there's a kid down in New Orleans two
lane quarterback, Michael Pratt, whose story could be called Believe
in number seven. Tell us about Michael Pratt and his
extraordinary story.
Speaker 6 (37:00):
Trent Cooper as a football player, he's that sleeper quarterback
that no one's thinking of. But he's electric and he
will light up your locker room. He'll light up the field.
He gets everybody to play better than they thought they could.
He's like that born leader, Brett Farv type guy, but
his story is so much deeper and so much more compelling.
Number seven wasn't always his number. His number in high
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school was thirteen. His best friend was number seven, his
receiver who he lost to suicide. The day they were
both leaving for college. Pratt was going to Tulane and
Bryce Goudy was going to Georgia Tech, and the night
before that, we lost him to suicide. And so seeing
him not only battle that extraordinary grief but help his
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teammates and his coaches battle through it. You got an
eighteen year old kid that's helping the coaching staff deal
with their grief while he's away at college. Just a special,
special kid. And then horrible second loss. Last year he
lost his brother and best friend, his own brother, which
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is so devastating. So now he's got these two losses
and he channels all that grief into how can I
be of service to others? How can I be positive?
And how can I honor these two guys that I
love so much? And the one thing we love about
his story is is that his brother had left behind
a brand newborn niece, a baby girl that is Michael
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Pratt's niece. And Michael loves this little girl and he's
going to play for her and she's he's going to
be huge part of her life and he's going to
honor her dad every way he can on that field.
Great story.
Speaker 1 (38:40):
You know, you never wish ill on anyone, and we
certainly just feel for anybody who has to go through
stories the likes of which you've just mentioned, which is terrible,
terrible stuff. There's no butt coming, there's an and coming.
And yet when we meet these young people who have
experienced so much in life and all of these challenges
that they've had to face and yes overcome, man, it
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makes better men, and sometimes yes, it can make better
players and better teammates. Michael Pratt, quarterback out of Tulane.
That is a name that is now firmly in my memory,
and I'm going to be listening for his name over
the next few days. Listener, I highly suggest that you
do the same. Let's finish with a story of another kid.
Penn State defensive end Adessa Isaac is another story honoring
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his mother's resilience and dedication to caring for his three
non verbal siblings. Adsa Isaac put this kid on the map.
Speaker 6 (39:37):
Michael Robinson said it last night on Total Accents. So
you feel his story when you watch him play. And
his story is he grew up with three non verbal
disabled siblings. So they don't speak in the way that
you and I speak, but they do have their own
language in the way that they communicate, and it's so
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cool and so sweet. He grew up helping take care
of them, loving them. But he grew up in awe
of his mother, who takes care of these three kids.
And we get to meet the whole family, and something
happens in the middle of the piece where one of
the one of the siblings interrupts the interview of the
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mom and just comes up. It just enters the frame
out of nowhere and gives her this little kiss on
the cheek and then walks away, and you get the
whole You see the whole family in that moment. You
completely get it, and you will cry your eyes out.
But this kid is Yeah, here's another stud that's coming
off the edge and disrupting and you know, just ripping
up college offenses. And then you hear this story behind that,
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and you see who he's playing for and who he's
bringing with him in his art to the National Football League,
and it's like, this is why we love this episode.
You know, you see why we love our jobs.
Speaker 1 (40:52):
You can feel his story when you watch him play.
That's what's been said about Penn State defensive end at
desa Isaac. His story one of four extraordinary stories on
the latest episode of NFL three sixty. They're annual, they're
Extraordinary Annual Draft Special. It premiered last night on NFL Network.
It can be seen now. As Trent Cooper just told
(41:13):
us on the NFL YouTube channel, show runner Trent Cooper,
thank you so much for your time today.
Speaker 4 (41:19):
Thank you.
Speaker 6 (41:20):
This is my favorite podcast. Am I allowed to say that?
Speaker 1 (41:22):
Of course you're allowed to say that. In fact, you're
allowed to advertise that on giant billboards and all the
major cities in America. Trent, we so appreciate your time.
But before you go listen, do me a favor. Do
a bad show, just one, or like part of one,
you know what I mean. Just put a stinker out
there one time, one of these days. Yeah, just to
let us sinners back in the conversation. You're amazing. I
love you.
Speaker 4 (41:41):
You're You're an.
Speaker 1 (41:42):
Extraordinary filmmaker and we so so appreciate what you deliver
to us time and time again. NFL three sixty show
runner Trent Cooper, You're awesome. Bud After the Break, Daniel
Jeremiah's latest mock Draft, Bucky Brook's latest mock Draft two,
and the one thing that should never happen on Day
one of the Draft. And you know what, it just
might anyway, that's next on NFL Total Access the podcast.
(42:06):
You are listening to NFL Total Access the podcast. Andrew
Lavy with the one hundredth overall pick of the two
thousand and six NFL Draft, Michael Robinson, How deep can
you go on your draft? How good is that memory?
Let's find out? The number one overall pick in two
thousand and six was.
Speaker 4 (42:23):
Reggie Bush.
Speaker 2 (42:23):
No, no, not Reggie Bush. He was number two. That
was the kid from the Houston, Texas.
Speaker 1 (42:28):
Yes, Mario Williams. No, I'll look at we're gonna give
you that. We're gonna give you that one. Mario Williams
does go one to the Texans. Reggie Bush does go
two to the Saints. Who went third?
Speaker 4 (42:38):
Ooh? Who went third?
Speaker 1 (42:42):
Joshua a tech in the room right now is scanning
the heavens trying to remember himself and listener. I find
this an interesting thing because it's important for us to remember.
We do forget these things. We think it's headline news tomorrow,
it may be forgotten a couple of years from now.
Who went third?
Speaker 2 (42:56):
It's either Nick man Gold or du Brica South ferguson
one of those.
Speaker 4 (43:01):
I think Brick went fourth, though.
Speaker 1 (43:03):
Brick did go fourth. You're absolutely right. Number three, overall
national champion, national champion, broke the hearts of the USC Trojans.
Vince Young goes third. Number five, we see him, We
see him every day. Number five a j Hawk. You
know Pat McAfee's co host there, right, And then it's
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Vernon Davis and Michael Huff, Dante Whitner and Ernie Simms
and Matt Lionert finishes out the top ten. Jay Cutler
picked eleventh. But this is not to expose that Michael
doesn't remember in lockstep the historical rollout of the two
thousand and six draft. It's a reminder that when we
team build listener as we will start to do well
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continue to do tomorrow in round one of the draft,
don't get too hung up on who goes where. This
is about the right guy landing in the right spot,
because if he does, then we will know his name
two and five and ten and twenty years from now. Okay,
before we let you go, Michael Robinson, there are always surprises,
sometimes big ones on day one of the drafts. Knowing
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what you know about this draft class, what is the
one thing that we never saw coming but maybe we should?
Speaker 2 (44:17):
Ah that's a good question. I could say no safety
is taken in the first round. I can say no
running backs taken in the first round. I can say
six quarterbacks go in the first round. I can say
that there will be four tackles that go back to
back to back to back. I think another back back.
Speaker 1 (44:39):
A little run on tackles.
Speaker 4 (44:41):
Interesting run on tackles. Right right there.
Speaker 1 (44:44):
Are run on quarterbacks, are run on tackles. Safeties and
running backs. You're gonna be disappointed in Michael Robinson's instincts.
Do you have an instinct Mike rob On a player
who this is an anniversary of Aaron Rodgers. This day
that we are recording this, which is actually Tuesday, is
an anniversary of Aaron Rodgers falling precipitously still in the
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first round, of course, and he's gonna he's headed to
the Hall of Fame. Let's not cry a teer for
the kid. But that was a famous draft moment, and
it happened however many years ago. Today, do you foresee
anybody who could or is maybe primed unfortunately so for him.
But such is the way of the world, and such
is the way of the draft. Anybody do for a dip.
Speaker 4 (45:25):
I believe if it happens, it'll be Drake May.
Speaker 2 (45:27):
Interesting if the command Yeah, if the Commanders choose Daniels
at two and the Patriots decide they want to trade
back and get more assets and wait on a quarterback
to fall to them, I gotta feeling Drake May could
be waiting a while.
Speaker 1 (45:44):
Consider yourself warned, listener, and consider yourself warned, Drake May.
We're not saying we want it to happen, but it might.
I want to thank today's special guess, the real microd
Michael Robinson. Enjoy the draft, and thank you so much
for your time today, Bud. Let's turn now before we
finish to the final thoughts, well semi final thoughts of
our in house scouts and talent evaluators, Bucky Brooks and
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Daniel Jeremiah. They are the co hosts of the Popular
for a Reason, by the Way, Move the Sticks podcast.
These guys are famous for their accurate and insightful mock
drafts as we prepare for every annual NFL draft. This
year no different. Bucky Brooks Mock Draft four point zero.
The number one overall pick, Caleb Williams goes to the Bears.
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The Washington Commanders select Jade and Daniels number two. The
New England Patriots don't move the pick, as we have
talked about being a possibility. They stay according to Bucky Brooks,
and select Drake May third overall, the Arizona Cardinals. They
also stay at four and select wide receiver Marvin Harrison Junior.
The Chargers stay at five and select tackle Joe Alt
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The New York Giants many consider them to be looking
for a quarterback. Well, they may still be looking for
a quarterback, just not at s according to Bucky Brooks,
who sees them select wide receiver Malik Neighbors. The Tennessee
Titans are looking for help on their O line and
they get it in the form of tackle to Lisa
Fuaga out of Oregon State.
Speaker 4 (47:13):
At eight.
Speaker 1 (47:13):
The Atlanta Falcons select defensive tackle Byron Murphy the second.
At nine, the Chicago Bears stay right there. They keep
the pick, and they make the pick, and that pick
is Rome Adunze, wide receiver. Apparently Bucky Brooks was listening
to Michael Robinson. And to finish out Bucky Brook's top ten,
the New York Jets stay where they are and select
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tight end Brock Bowers now Bucky Brooks. Colleague Daniel Jeremiah
sees it a little differently. In his three point zero
mock draft. DJ has Caleb Williams going number one, but
he sees the Commanders taking Drake May at two, the
Patriots taking Jade and Daniels at three, and then the
fun begins. The Vikings trade with the Cardinals for the
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number four pick, and with the number four pick they
select Jay J.
Speaker 4 (47:59):
McCoy.
Speaker 1 (48:00):
There's four straight quarterbacks, according to DJ. With the fifth pick,
the New York Jets trade with the Chargers for that
pick and select Marvin Harrison Junior. With the sixth pick,
the Giants take Malik Neighbors at seven. The Titans take
Joe Alt at eight. The Falcons take edge rusher at
Obama Dallas Turner. At nine. The Bears stay right there
(48:23):
and select who wide receiver Rome Adunze. We have a
theme developing in Chicago at nine and at ten, the
Chargers now sitting at ten after that deal with the Jets,
they select the tackle to Lisa Fuaga. Now you can
check out DJ's full three point zero mock draft right
now at nfl dot com. BUCkies two, of course, and
(48:45):
make sure to check out DJ's final mock draft in
his now annual show. It's amazing stuff, guys. You have
to check it out. It's called Daniel Jeremiah's Mockdraft twenty
twenty four. It's at eight pm Eastern tonight on NFL Network.
In the way of final advice to NFL decision makers
ahead of tomorrow's Round one, DJ tweeted this quote best
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advice I can give when putting your lists together. Make
your own mistakes, don't adopt opinions, trust your eyes, and
give your own opinion. Down the road, you'll look back
and learn from your misses.
Speaker 4 (49:21):
End quote.
Speaker 1 (49:22):
Well, for all the hits and yeah, maybe a miss
or two. Make sure to set a record or create
a window to watch the twenty twenty four NFL Draft,
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April twenty fifth, twenty sixth, and twenty seventh, live from Detroit.
NFL Network Draft coverage is presented by Verizon. You can
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on NFL Plus. Let's watch together, shall we?
Speaker 4 (49:49):
It?
Speaker 1 (49:49):
All starts tomorrow night, eight pm Eastern. Visit nfl dot
com slash Draft for more information, and I want to
invite you to tune in next time four hour complete
Round one recap picks one through thirty two, the day
when mock draft and shock Draft give way to a
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locked draft, the very real, on the clock draft. Who
made the biggest move, who made the biggest mistake, and
who one Round one answers next time till then, Happy draft, y'all.
I hope you get exactly who and what you want,
you know, as long as it's not at the expense
of my team. Thank you for listening, and show fin now.
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Let's welcome back to the the Real Mike rob Michael Robinson.
Speaker 1 (00:30):
So nice to hear your voice, Bud.
Speaker 4 (00:32):
Always good to hear your voice. Dude. Let's get it, man,
let's go draft Almost.
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Here, Michael, Where are you right now? Let's GPS? Your
butt is it? Are you in the car?
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You on the are you?
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Are you traveling somewhere? Where are you?
Speaker 4 (00:42):
I'm in the car on my way to middle school
track practice.
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There you go, middle school track practice. I know I
know how you roll. I know how your kid rolls.
And the answer to that is how does he roll fast?
I'm your host, NFL Network Senior writer Andrew Lady, and
today's show is our final countdown. It's the twenty twenty
four NFL Draft. I'm going to share eightest mock draft
top tens. I'm gonna Pepper, MicroB with a few questions
that are befitting the excitement and the nerves and the
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NFL dot com slash draft for more information. Okay, MicroB,
those are the details. Let's get to the deal. I
have questions, you have answers. Let's get to it. Starting
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with question number one about pick number one. Caleb Williams
is being called a generational talent. Now it's hard for
me to find consensus on what that even means. Does
it mean once in a generation talent or someone who
will come to define his generation? Truth be told, You
and I both know, Mike Rob Bears fans don't care
one bit about what it means. All they want to
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know is why they should go to bed tonight with
nothing but hope and joy about picking at Caleb Williams
number one tomorrow. Mike Rob, it seems he will be
the pick. Why is he the right pick?
Speaker 5 (02:25):
Well?
Speaker 2 (02:25):
I do believe Caleb Williams is the best quarterback in
this draft.
Speaker 4 (02:29):
I mean he can do it all.
Speaker 2 (02:31):
I mean he has every tool that you would want
your franchise quarterback to have, whether it's on talent, whether
it's the ability to move his pocket, presence has downfill throwing,
his ability to throw on time, which I would like
to see him do a little bit more of that.
You know, He's a creator quarterback, you know, kind of
like what I was in college. A guy that's able
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to create his own offense. So that is why Chicago
Bears fans should be excited about the number one pick
in the draft. But while I say that, at the
very same time, how long this league has been around?
Speaker 1 (03:07):
Drew one hundred plus years now? Yeah, we're over or
we're over the century mark. We hit that a few
years back.
Speaker 4 (03:13):
Yeah, I remember we had all the pins on our
titles and stuff.
Speaker 1 (03:18):
Yes, we did well. You wear ties that I had
a pin on my jean jacket. But yeah, the point stance,
you get.
Speaker 4 (03:24):
What I'm saying.
Speaker 2 (03:24):
Well, in the whole damn hundred one hundred plus years
of this league, the Chicago Bears hadn't had a four
thousand yard passer, or they hadn't taken a first round pick, drafted, developed,
and this kid became successful.
Speaker 4 (03:37):
It just hadn't happened.
Speaker 2 (03:38):
So, yes, I do believe they've built a tremendous team
around the potential first overall pick and Caleb Williams. Yes,
I do think that this roster's legit. I do think
that the city's ready for a winner. I do think
that Kayler williams arm talent is amazing. In all of that,
and yes, I'm with you, I don't really know what
a generational quarterback is.
Speaker 4 (03:58):
Like I told Brian Balding of the other are you
telling me.
Speaker 2 (04:01):
This guy's the greatest quarterback to ever come out of
college football?
Speaker 4 (04:04):
Ever? No, we're not saying that.
Speaker 2 (04:06):
So with all I just said, Drew, what leads anybody
to believe that the Chicago Bears are going to be
able to develop this kid and make him a successful
franchise quarterback. Now, I just haven't seen it, and I
haven't seen proof of it. So my heart wants to
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say yes. My heart wants to see Ryan Poles and
Mattiebraflus and these guys do a great job.
Speaker 4 (04:31):
But my mind says, you gotta.
Speaker 2 (04:35):
Show me proof that you're even capable of doing it,
and this ent our organization hadn't shown that.
Speaker 1 (04:39):
Translation, Mike Robb says to you Bears fans, yes, go
to bed tonight, rest well, be happy, be joyful, because
Caleb Williams is, in fact the best quarterback in the draft,
and that's the kid that you, by all accounts, are
about to draft. He does, of course warn you with
a note of caution that he has shared with us
on this podcast before, which is that your history isn't great.
You don't have great developers, you don't have great quarterback teachers.
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But maybe this pupil is good enough to make your
current teachers look like graduate level professor's time will tell.
Question number two about pick number two is Jaden Daniels
Michael Robinson the obvious and best pick for the Commanders
at two.
Speaker 2 (05:19):
If I was the head coach and general manager of
the Washington Commanders. Yeah, it'd be obvious for me, and
simply because you gotta look at the history of the
head coach. When you look at Dan Quinn, a guy
who I was with in Seattle for a long time.
He's a good friend of mine. He's a guy that
look at the last time he had an opportunity to
be a head coach, he was with the Atlanta Falcons,
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blown the biggest lead in Super Bowl history to a
Tom Brady and you look at the nature and how
they lost their game. They stopped running the football, their
quarterback wasn't his mobile. They just wasn't able to make
the place. I just don't think that dan Quinn getting
a second shot at a head coach is going to
go into this thing and not have a real dynamic
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mover at the quarterback position. To me, it just has
to be Jane Daniels. Now, I'm not that Drake May.
I'm not saying that Drake May isn't deservant of the
number two overall picking in the NFL Draft. But what
I am saying is I think Jane Daniels is just
my QB one in this entire draft. So yeah, I
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gotta go with James Days and.
Speaker 1 (06:26):
His mobility may seal the deal in the end for
dan Quinn, the dan Quinn that Michael Robinson knows very well.
Let's talk about number three. The run on quarterbacks may
continue at three with the Patriots currently in that third hole,
and they could take Drake May or JJ McCarthy, or
they could go off script and take Panox or Bonnicks.
Who knows. We don't know what they will do. But
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Michael Robinson, my question for you is what should they do?
Take the pick or trade the pick.
Speaker 2 (06:51):
I think, depending on who the trade partner is, I
think if they can stay in the top fifteen, they
give themselves a shot at one of the other quarterbacks
that are you know, not the top three, but the
other two or three that are right there where you
talk about Bowl Knicks, Michael Pennix, and you can even
throw Spencer Rattler in that mix. So I do think
that depending on the trade partner, I think the Patriots
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can trade down, get more draft capitol and draft assets
and still be able to come away from this draft
with their quarterback. And I always have to go back
to what Robert Craft said at the beginning of the offseason,
right after Bill Belichick moved on I expect us, and
I'm not quoting, but the idea was, I expect us
to figure out a way to get a quarterback in
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this draft. So I do think they're going to do
everything in their power to build the team at the
same time looking for opportunities to get that franchise quarterback.
Speaker 1 (07:42):
Translation that pick at three may be immovable pick, but
just don't move it too far. Michael Robinson's advice stay
in the top fifteen, so that means Giants at six,
Vikings at eleven, Broncos at twelve, Raiders at thirteen. Michael
Robinson has just slyly put you on blast. You want
to move, you want to get your quarterback. Make a
deal with the Patriots at three. Just keep the Patriots
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in the top fifteen so it's a win win and
they can get their guy. Michael. Let's talk about the Cowboys.
They are interesting, as per usual. I say that with
an eye roll, but it happens to be true. With
the twenty fourth pick, our experts in our building have
projected them taking an O lineman, mostly Oregon center Jackson Powers.
Johnson is getting a lot of Love, maybe Duke offensive
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lineman Graham Barton, or even that tackle out of Oklahoma,
Tyler Geiton. We have also seen company for Cede Lamb
in that wide receiver room Texas wide receiver Xavier Worthy,
he of the record forty time is one possibility. Cowboys
owner Jerry Jones surprised all of us yesterday. Flanked by
Stephen Jones and head coach Mike McCarthy, he bristled a
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little bit on Tuesday morning when asked why there is
no update on the contract negotiation status of Dak Prescott,
Micah Parsons, and viaforementioned Cede Lamb. Here's what he had
to say.
Speaker 5 (09:01):
You may be working on it and not moving anything
but eyebrows. Who in the world would think that we're
not working on it. I work on it at Pop's
open at two in the morning. Sometimes what your actually
question is is why don't you have something done and
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negotiated and put in the drawer, and so you never
know you might give money to somebody that you shouldn't
have given it to. You got two or three of
those names around here for me. I've been reading about
them all week.
Speaker 1 (09:36):
Michael Robinson, you heard it translation hour panic is not
his problem. I kind of like MicroB that they didn't
sign these guys to extensions. Yet they're kind of zigging
when others are zagging, and they're kind of making this
an ostensible prove it year for everybody on this roster.
It strikes me as kind of an interesting move. But
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Mike Rob, how would you describe it? Is this wisdom
or is this dean?
Speaker 4 (10:00):
I love it. I love it.
Speaker 2 (10:03):
This is totally goes against everything we've seen the Dallas
Cowboys and Jerry Jones do in the recent in recent history,
and to Dallas Cowboy fans, I'd be smiling, I'd be happy.
Speaker 4 (10:14):
I'd say, well, damn well.
Speaker 2 (10:16):
In previous off seasons, we made all these splash signings,
made everybody was getting fat, you know, and getting.
Speaker 4 (10:23):
Money and all of that, and what did it do.
Speaker 2 (10:25):
We put us a great roster, we won twelve games,
but we get into the playoffs and we don't win.
Speaker 4 (10:30):
How about if we just tell these guys go prove it,
go prove it.
Speaker 2 (10:35):
Let me starve you a little bit so you can
go out there and show us that you're hungry.
Speaker 4 (10:39):
I love it. And at the end of the at
the end of the day.
Speaker 2 (10:42):
I think Jerry Jones is loving it too, because these guys,
these players now have to the dramas out out of it.
Now they have to look at themselves in the mirror
and say, this is all there's no there's no cavalry coming.
This is who we got and young players got a
step up. I actually loved it.
Speaker 1 (10:58):
I love that you love it, and I love that
you said starve them a little bit, make them hungry, because,
as we learn from Jason Kelcey of the now famous
underdog Philadelphia Super Bowl champion Eagles, hungry dogs run faster. Then,
when he was asked about the draft, mister Jones said this.
Speaker 5 (11:18):
We're very proud of our personal he very proud of
this roster, very much think this roster without knowing right
now how much the rookies are going to contribute, We're
very very feel good about the promise of the team
that we're going to have this year with this roster.
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All in, all in, all in, we're all in with
these young guys coming out. For me, I was an
offensive lineman. They're always the smartest, the best looking, and
they're the ones that end up on in the teams.
Speaker 1 (11:58):
Okay, Michael Robinson. There it is again the all in reference.
Uh liked the bit where he said that this is
a roster he's proud of, because this really is an
enviable NFL roster in so many ways, Mike, the Cowboys
have seven picks in all to address their all in claims,
they have the twenty fourth pick in the first round.
Of course, they've got one in the second, one in
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the third, one in the fifth, one in the sixth,
and two in the seventh. What should they do with
those picks? Maybe the better question is, in your estimation,
what would constitute a successful draft for this Dallas Cowboys team?
Speaker 4 (12:32):
Oh?
Speaker 2 (12:33):
Wow, to me, the Dallas Cowboys were the best again
in recent years. And actually you can even make this
claim when Jay Jones first bought the team, maybe winning
all those Super bowls.
Speaker 4 (12:44):
The line of scrimmage has to be taken care of.
Speaker 2 (12:47):
This offensive line has to be dominant again it hadn't
been dominant.
Speaker 4 (12:51):
And I can argue four or five.
Speaker 2 (12:52):
Years, if they can rebuild the offensive line, maybe go
get that center, that kid out out of Duke that
can play a multiple positions on the offensive line, you know,
maybe get another offensive line later on offensive lineman later
on in the draft. But you got to build some
depth so that you can actually be a bully in
the run game, so that you can make playing quarterback
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a little easier for whoever is the quarterback after Dak Prescott.
Because I'm a firm believer the fact that the business
of this offseason, we haven't seen Dak Prescott, get this,
get this extension. I believe Dak Prescott is playing his
last year with the Dallas Cowboys. And so when Jerry
says I'm all in, I think that means for coaches,
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it means for players, it means, guys, this.
Speaker 4 (13:36):
Is all we got. This is the roster.
Speaker 2 (13:39):
You guys are gonna have to look look at yourselves
in the mirror and go out there and win games.
We've won thirty six games over the last three years.
To me, that's good enough. And again I gotta repeat,
I love it.
Speaker 1 (13:49):
I hope you heard what I heard. Listener, Michael Robinson
just dropped, almost casually. I believe that this will be
the final year that Dak Prescott plays for the Dallas Cowboys.
So you know, and all your guys make it a
good one. You are listening to NFL Total Access to Podcast,
The super Bowl champion, the Real Mike rob Michael Robinson
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is our special guest today, and Michael, I should think
there's a little bit of draft fatigue that hits you
and other analysts and experts this time of year, because
you've been fielding questions from you know, armchair guys like
me for the last however many weeks. And I know
that you're probably just up to here with it, but
I just want to pick your brain in this final
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day this draft eve about a couple players who may
have caught your eye. I know you really like edge
rusher out of UCLA, Latu Latsu. We're gonna hear a
little bit about him and his story in a little bit.
But what is it about this player that has some
believing he may be the best edge rusher in this draft?
Speaker 5 (14:50):
Oh?
Speaker 4 (14:51):
Man, I love a lot too.
Speaker 2 (14:53):
You know, you look at normal you look at other
pass rushers right, and you say, Okay, this guy's speed guy, cool,
all right. You look at other guys like the Kid
Verse out Ohio State. This guy's a power guy. Like
he's gonna put a tackle on skates. He's gonna get
long in his arms, get the long arm like Willia
McGinnis our friend used to do and he's gonna literally
bowl people over. When I look at Leatu Latu, this
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dude can do it all. Like he can beat you
with speed, he can beat you with fanesse, he has
a counter move. I've seen him spin, I've seen him
loop in the A gap and totally have a running
back miss by trying to hit him in the A gap. Like,
this dude has it all. He's to me, he's one
of the few defensive guys in this draft, especially in
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the past rushing position. You draft this guy, you put
a jersey on him, and you say go eat, go hunt,
and I think he can fit in almost any defense
in the National Football League. So yeah, the position flexibility,
the moves that this kid has, and he reminds me
of Max Crosby, so to speak, like just real slippery
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be Jared Allen back in the day. I hated trying
to block Jared Allen back in the day because I
could never get a real good, firm hit on him.
Speaker 4 (16:08):
Lottu reminds me of guys in that van.
Speaker 1 (16:11):
Jared Allen had a thousand sacks in his NFL career,
So man, that's I didn't I kind of forgot that, Yes,
you were. You were chipping away at guys like Jared
Allen in your career. Translation about Latu Latsu from Michael
Robinson is this kid a specialist at the edge rusher position. Yeah,
a specialist at doing everything. Well, there's another guy who
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caught your eye, and I really like this scouting report
from you, Tyler Nuban, a defensive back out of Minnesota. Now,
obviously we know you from a lot of your Big
Ten coverage this year. You were at all the big
games in the Big Ten this season. We loved your coverage.
You're so good at this stuff, Michael. But Tyler Nuban
caught your eye? What is it about this d back
that puts him, you know, maybe higher on draft boards
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than people might have expected.
Speaker 2 (16:55):
You know what, UH drew a lot of you before
being a part of the Big Tennis past year.
Speaker 4 (17:01):
I had no idea about Tyler Knuban. I really did
not would.
Speaker 2 (17:04):
I covered a couple of games, and when I was
preparing for the games, I'm just like, every game, every
time the ball was in the air, every time the
ball was on the ground, every time the ball passed
the line of scrimmage. This kid had something to do
with it. He was around the football, and I just
kept on thinking, like, man's that's weird. It's just like
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every single every tip of the football like he's around it.
Speaker 4 (17:29):
Like I think he led.
Speaker 2 (17:32):
Minnesota and career interceptions or something like that. The kid
just is around the ball. So that's what I first
noticed about him. And then I got a production meetings
with him, and I was able to hear about the
kids you know growing you know, the kid's background and
the fact that both of his parents were big time
athletes at Western Kentucky, I mean not Western Kentucky, Western Michigan.
Speaker 4 (17:51):
Like it's in his blood, it's in his DNA. And
then to.
Speaker 2 (17:55):
See him going through walkthroughs and how he just is
a general in the back, you start to realize why
this guy's always around the football. He is football IQ
was off the chain. He's highly athletic. His brother as
another kid on the football team, so you can see it.
It's in his genetics. I just could not hide the
fact that or I couldn't get away from the fact
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that this kid stayed around the football and he's a
short tackler. I think he is one of those like
can't miss prospects like I don't care what defense, I
don't care what covered you like to play. I don't
care where you put him, whether it's strong or free,
whether he's in the back of where he's around the
line of scrimmage.
Speaker 4 (18:31):
This kid is going to make an impact on your defense.
I love them.
Speaker 1 (18:34):
Listener, if you're scoring at home, that is a can't
miss prospect. And Michael doesn't throw that around will and
nilly Tyler newban d back out of Minnesota. If your
team is fortunate enough to find this kid available and
you take him, good for you, because that is a
steal of the twenty twenty four NFL draft. Michael, there's
something about players in the Big Ten. I know that
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SEC has their thumb on the scale and has had
their thumb on the scale for a long long time.
And we kind of as a culture, as a nation,
we kind of assume that the SEC has the edge
a little bit some years a lot in terms of
their programs, their dominance, and yes, the players that they
put forth for NFL consideration. And yet there's something about
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Big Ten guys like yourself, a Penn State alum, Guys
like Tyler Numan who play in Minnesota. There's something about
playing in the conditions on hard AstroTurf when it's thirteen
below with the windshield, something about playing in Iowa, in Wisconsin,
at Michigan State, at the Big House, at Penn State,
in these places where conditions are not favorable. That creates
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tougher kids, kids who are versatile, kids who do have
position flexibility, not necessarily because of their coaching and their
skill set, but because of their mindset. Am I overstating
that It's there just something to the creation that kind
of iron sharpens iron that you get in the Big
Ten with those conditions, in those climates.
Speaker 4 (20:00):
Absolutely, it's a recruiting tool too.
Speaker 2 (20:02):
You literally just hit the energy that every Big Ten
coach tries to.
Speaker 4 (20:09):
Relate to income and recruits, like it's.
Speaker 2 (20:12):
A different dude to play in the Big Ten, and
it takes a different guy to play in the Big Ten,
and you're right on him.
Speaker 1 (20:18):
The Chicago Bears have the first overall pick, but don't
forget listener, they also have the ninth overall pick, Mike
rob We talked about it earlier with the Patriots. This
is one of those make the pick or move the
pick situations with the Bears. At nine, and of course
it's an annual question for almost every team in the draft.
The Bears only have four total picks. That's fewest of
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any team in this year's draft. Michael Robinson, what say
you make the pick or move the pick?
Speaker 2 (20:46):
Oh, that's a tough one, because you know, the Bears
have done a great job over the last few years
of building a great roster.
Speaker 4 (20:53):
I don't see other than the quarterback position super.
Speaker 2 (20:56):
I mean, big big Gland needs. I think they can
get some pass Ru's help as well. But at nine,
if there's a Roma Doonze still around, how can you
not get that kid?
Speaker 4 (21:08):
Man?
Speaker 2 (21:09):
Like, how can you not put him on the opposite
side of Dj Moore and.
Speaker 4 (21:12):
Say, come on, Caleb, let's just go. Let's just go.
You know what I'm saying.
Speaker 2 (21:15):
So I'm in the camp of depending on who's still available,
which again before this ninth pick a lot. You know,
it has a lot to do with it. But if
Roma Doonze is there, I say you take the wide receiver.
Speaker 1 (21:29):
Translation, no, you don't move the pick. You make the pick,
and if he's available, you make the pick. Rome Adunze. Michael,
what team is most likely to make the most noise
on day one. I think we can agree that day
one last year we saw the Texans make the hell
of a lot of noise, certainly in retrospect, but also
in the moment, picking CJ. Stroud second and then making
the move up to number three to get Will Anderson
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Junior third. Two now pillars of a roster that for
whom the stars are the limit. Is there a team
that you reckon like that? Maybe the Viking, the Cardinals,
or the Bears. That may be an easy answer, since
those three teams have two picks a piece. But are
you expecting a team to make a lot of noise?
And who strikes you as a team perfectly suited to
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make that noise?
Speaker 4 (22:11):
We gotta be honest.
Speaker 2 (22:12):
I mean the teams with multiple picks, obviously, they're the
ones who you gotta look to first.
Speaker 4 (22:18):
And I gotta look at the Minnesota Vikings.
Speaker 2 (22:20):
I mean Minnesota Vikers over the last couple of years
when they had Kirk Cousins without Aaron Rodgers in that division.
I mean the division was literally laid on a platter
for them to win, and they could not consistently get
it done. So I'm looking at the you know, Kevin
O'Connell and this Minnesota Vikings staff, Like, Yo, if we
don't get the quarterback, if we don't get if we
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don't get a replacement, we could all be without a
job next year. Like I think it's to that level
of concern. So for me, it has to be in
Minnesota Vikers. And then I know this trade just happened
a couple of days ago with Zach Wilson going to Denver.
And again, the minute that trade happened, all I thought
about was, Man, Sean Payton's got to deal with Nathaniel
Hacketts guys again.
Speaker 4 (23:01):
But hey, that's a whole another conversation.
Speaker 1 (23:04):
Honestly, Michael, I didn't even consider that. Thank you for
that that context, which should have been obvious to us.
But no, you're absolutely right to call that out, Like
careful what you wish for, buddy. You just got more
of what you said you didn't want.
Speaker 4 (23:15):
You just got more of it.
Speaker 2 (23:16):
Right, So, Like that was funny to me just knowing
Sean Payton, knowing the type of guy he is, They're gonna.
Speaker 1 (23:24):
Don't be surprised if there's a holla from Mile High, right, Yeah.
Speaker 2 (23:28):
Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, that's all that's really and I
know they don't have a lot of draft capital, and
I know they may be pulling from year from form,
you know, upcoming years, but it's off for me to
see Sean Payton not making something happen.
Speaker 1 (23:40):
We interrupt this podcast to bring you quarterback prospect bo Nicks,
twenty four years old, projected as high as top fifteen
or as low as a Day two player. This is
a player that Today's special guest Michael Robinson, when asked
for a three word description of bow Knicks, called wait
for it listener athletic Drew Breeze Hello. He also threw
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in two others for free, the Completion Machine and the
Walking Completion Michael Robinson, I love those descriptions, and NFL
scouts are gonna love those descriptions too, And it kind
of makes sense. This is a player who posted the
third lowest depth of target in the last five years
amongst Power five quarterbacks, So clearly he is really accurate
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and really good at getting the ball out quickly, getting
it out short, getting it in playmaker's hands and letting
them do the rest. Michael, what is your instinct on
this player that you call an athletic Drew Brees that's
one hell of a comp bro.
Speaker 4 (24:34):
Yeah it is.
Speaker 2 (24:35):
And Drew Brees, I mean, obviously Hall of Famer, all
of those things, leader, the field, general, whatever you want
to call it. But he was a smaller guy and
he couldn't move like bow Knicks. I'm just being honest.
Bow Nix is what six about two pounds. And the
reason why I call him an athletic Drew Brees or
walking completion is because the guy is highly accurate with
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the football and he processes. Now, part of his offense
was a little bit of matchup and concepts, creating one
on ones with guys he knew was gonna win. But
the accuracy and the ball placement. Oftentimes he put the
ball in positions where his guys can catch the football
and run. And me, being a guy or fullback who
used to catch the ball, you know, a yard from
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the front part of his front number, I needed the
football in a certain place so I could turn hard
hatt and shoulders and go get yards down the football field.
Bow Knicks is one of those guys, and quite frankly,
he may luck up because.
Speaker 4 (25:32):
He's not rated at one of the top two or
three guys.
Speaker 2 (25:35):
He may look up and land in a perfect situation,
probably at the bottom of the first or the top
of the second, because the bottom of the first and
top of the second, guys, I mean, that's pretty much
around in its own guys all highly rated, rated in
the first.
Speaker 4 (25:48):
Round, but just slipping to the second.
Speaker 2 (25:50):
So I look at bow Knicks and that group of guys,
especially with all of these quarterback needed.
Speaker 1 (25:54):
Teams, very very interesting. Bo Necks one of the more
perplexing prospects in this draft, simply because we know what
he can do, but we just don't know where that
fits best and where it will fit best come draft Day.
JJ McCarthy Michael is another one of those players, and
you watched him play a ton this season. Jonathan James McCarthy,
here's a question that's kind of blunt, but I'm going
(26:15):
to ask it. What is this player? Is he a
system guy? Is he a manager not a creator? Is
he better maybe than the film might indicate? Is he
a future NFL star? You did watch him a lot
this season? What is your take on Jonathan James McCarthy.
Speaker 4 (26:31):
Yeah, I do think he is.
Speaker 2 (26:35):
He's better than what we've seen over the last couple
of years, what we saw from his offense was just,
you know, a real pro style offense with they were
just better at the line of scrimmage than anybody that
they played. And I don't follow JJ McCarthy for not
having all of these crazy numbers and things like that.
Speaker 4 (26:55):
He was on the.
Speaker 2 (26:55):
Best college football team in college football. So kudos for
even being able to manage where the ball goes. Kudos
are being able to manage the personalities and be able
to play for coach Hardball. I say that, but this
is interesting to me, Drew, because you know, you know,
I was a former quarterback in college too, and I
always got to look at my own experience and some
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of the things that people said I was good at
with processing and field generalship and stuff like that, all
of a sudden didn't mean anything in two thousand and six,
and now we're talking about those same traits being first
round traits. And I get it, you know what I mean,
I totally get it. I think JJ McCarthy is truly
a second round guy.
Speaker 4 (27:38):
That's just my personal opinion.
Speaker 2 (27:40):
And Guys, I don't want this to sound like I'm
being negative on them, but I do think quarterbacks get
pushed up because of the need and because of the
value of the position. If we're truly looking at skills set,
if we're truly looking at skills and tools to be
able to do your job. I don't know if JJ
McCarthy's in the top thirty two.
Speaker 1 (28:00):
Listen, we're in the business evaluation and you, as a
you know, an NFL stock advisor, you're advising us to
recognize that the valuation of this asset. It may be
a week one starter, but it's a day two pick
at least in your estimation. Final questioning on the quarterbacks, Michael,
thank you for your time. Who has the better career
in the end? Who five, seven, ten, twenty years from
(28:22):
now will we look back on and say, had the
better career, had the best career of Caleb Williams, Jayden Daniels,
Drake May, Michael Pennix, JJ McCarthy, bow Nicks. Who wins
that race because that is the long race, that's the
race that gets you legacy, that's the race that gets
you endorsement deals when you're sixty. Who has the best
career of those guys?
Speaker 3 (28:43):
Yeah?
Speaker 2 (28:44):
Right off the top, I want to say jayd and
Daniel just you know what he did in sec won
the Heisman. You saw him operate well at Arizona State
as well, then you see him go to LSU and
continue to do the same thing. I heard his coach,
coach Kelly a couple of interviews this week, and he
was just talking about we didn't even do some of
(29:04):
the stuff, you know, that he could be even better at,
as far as moving, you know, throwing the ball in
the run, moving to last point, all.
Speaker 4 (29:09):
Of those things.
Speaker 2 (29:09):
We just didn't even put it on this plate. We
also think that's a part of some of the things
he can do. So you know, I could go on
and on about James Daniels, but I would say Michael
Pennis if he gets to the right situation, if the
health stands up, because this guy's knowledge of football, this
guy's you know, his arm, talent, his attitude toward being great.
Speaker 4 (29:33):
And again this is a little bit.
Speaker 2 (29:34):
You know, I had a chance to talk to him
in the hotel at the Combine and spend some time
with him. I think Michael Pennick's with the right situation,
I think we're gonna look back in ten years and
this kid is gonna wow us. He's gonna be the
franchise guy. He could be most the most successful.
Speaker 1 (29:48):
We interrupt this podcast to bring you a public service
announcement that our friend's over at the Emmy Award winning
show and just recently eleven time again Emmy nominated NFL
three sixty have premiered their Draft special. The premiere was
last night on NFL Network and can now be seen
on the NFL's YouTube channel. And this NFL three sixty
(30:12):
Draft Special, as you have come to expect from this
extraordinary team of filmmakers, goes far beyond the combine field
and the pro day pitch and the draft day stage
to bring us stories about NFL prospects that we need
to know. Forty time vertical jump, Yeah, try again. We're
talking character and context and conflict to the life journey
(30:35):
of some very talented football players who may, by the
end of this weekend listener, be part of your journey
as a football fan wearing your team's jersey. Incredible stories
of resilience brought to us by the team headed up
by showrunner of NFL three sixty, Trent Cooper, who joins
us today Trent Cooper, Bucks Fan, thank you so much
(30:55):
for making time before we get to your incredible work
on NFL three sixty. Let me just hit you where
it hurts, right in the gut. As a Bucks fan.
You're sitting there at twenty six. It's the perfect draft
from my Bucks.
Speaker 6 (31:06):
If they do what three things edge edge edge?
Speaker 1 (31:11):
Okay, do you have a name attached to that? Wish?
Speaker 5 (31:14):
I do?
Speaker 6 (31:14):
I do two things? Lat too, lat too.
Speaker 1 (31:18):
There you go, look at you.
Speaker 4 (31:19):
You're so good.
Speaker 1 (31:20):
Okay, you're sitting there at twenty six. You want lots
LOTSU good luck, Bud. You're gonna have to make a
hell of a move up the draft board to get him,
but you're prepared to tell your Bucks to make that move.
Speaker 6 (31:29):
If Jason Light, the best GM in football is listening,
be ready, get your phone out.
Speaker 4 (31:35):
You got to move about six spots to get my gut.
You may have to.
Speaker 1 (31:39):
You may have to move more than six spots.
Speaker 6 (31:41):
Coop Brown, he has We just trade that. Let's go
up a few spots and go get a lot too.
Speaker 1 (31:45):
Lots of incredible stories of resilience, which include the story
of the aforementioned lot too. Latsu, You're gonna tell us
a little bit about him in a moment. But Trent
as the filmmaker, as the leader of this show, what
is it that you are so excited and so proud
about this particular NFL three sixty episode.
Speaker 6 (32:05):
We love this time of year because we get to
hand pick what we believe are the best stories in
this year's draft, and we get to bring them to
the fans. And these are four kids that you're gonna
love what they're all about. But you will feel their
story as you watch them play. You see it in
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their game, and Mike Crop says that all the time.
He says, I can see I can feel their story
when I watch them play. And that's what these four
guys are bringing to the table.
Speaker 1 (32:34):
Amazing, amazing. Okay, well, let's start with Law two. Law two,
because his is a story of incredible resilience. He was
told he was done playing the game, and yet tomorrow
you and I both know we will hear his name
on day one of the draft. Trent, I guess mom
was right. Sometimes you can't take no for an answer.
Speaker 6 (32:52):
Yeah, I mean the term is you can't tell a
warrior to put down a sword. You know that that's said.
And the piece this is a kid who started his
college career in Washington and had a neck injury, and
you know it was a stinger, and it was it
was concerning and scary, and and the doctors advised him
he was he was advised to to medically retire.
Speaker 4 (33:15):
Wow.
Speaker 6 (33:16):
And he did what they told him to do, and
he was out of the game for two years.
Speaker 4 (33:19):
But he wouldn't let it go.
Speaker 6 (33:21):
And and the heart is so big in this kid,
and he just never stopped training, never stopped working out.
And his mom saw this in him, and she's like,
you know, maybe there's something here, Maybe there's another opinion.
They sought out the greatest neck spine surgeon doctor in
the world, and they they they they saw him, and
(33:43):
he sought through a different lens and they got him
back on the field. And now he's the most devastating
pass rusher in college football. And he's gonna end up
on my Tampa Bay Buccaneers.
Speaker 1 (33:56):
Yeah, don't hold your breath on that one. But I
kind of I love that Trent, I really do. Told
that he should medically retire. Imagine hearing what is he nineteen,
probably twenty years old when this happens, You're medically retired.
And he goes from hearing those words medically retired to
what he will hear tomorrow, which is Welcome to the NFL.
Extraordinary stuff. There's another amazing story. Hashtag free tes helped
(34:21):
me understand this one. This is an unbelievable story about
North Carolina wide receiver Devontes Walker.
Speaker 6 (34:27):
This is a kid who had a bumpy ride as
he entered college football. He started out right after National
signing Day in high school. The next day blew out
his knee training and I mean gruesome knee injury, meniscus,
acl of the whole thing. So he lost that year.
Then he loses the next year to COVID. Then he
(34:48):
finally gets going in year three at Kent State, but
they read shirt him. And then in year four he
rips up college football at Kent State and there's this
famous game where he tore University of Georgia and everyone's like, WHOA,
who's this guy? But all along his heart is torn
because he's so close to his grandmother and he grew
(35:10):
up acting as her caretaker. She had multiple surgeries, she
has spine problems, she has me and hip problem, so
he lived with her. He was her paper and he
needed to get home to be closer to her. So
he transfers back home to North Carolina and he gets
jammed up in this huge NCAA eligibility controversy where they
(35:31):
wouldn't accept his waiver and they used to have a
rule where you could transfer if you'd get a waiver
if you had a sick relative, and they changed the
rule two days after he transferred. It was a disaster.
And what we love about the story is the University
of North Carolina, led by Mac Brown, the head coach,
and the entire state of North Carolina gets behind this
(35:53):
kid and starts a movement and they call it the
free Tes movement and the chance would just lift your spirit. Man,
the entire stadium chain free as Walker. Just great stuff.
And of course the NCAA revisits and looks back, and
they go through and the appeals and they overturn their ruling.
(36:13):
He gets back on the field with Drake May and
they light it up and you get to see that
and it's it's a great It's a Frank Kappra movie. Man,
the community coming together to take care of a good
kid with a big heart.
Speaker 1 (36:26):
I don't see Jimmy Stewart being able to pull off
De Vontees Walker, But we're going to talk about the
Kappra angle in a moment, Let's turn to a quarterback
whose name is simply not mentioned enough, because listener, you
are inundated with references to Caleb Williams and Jayden Daniels
and Drake May and JJ McCarthy and Michael Panics and
bow Nicks, the five guys that we expect to be
called either on day one or very close to day one.
(36:48):
And yet there's a kid down in New Orleans two
lane quarterback, Michael Pratt, whose story could be called Believe
in number seven. Tell us about Michael Pratt and his
extraordinary story.
Speaker 6 (37:00):
Trent Cooper as a football player, he's that sleeper quarterback
that no one's thinking of. But he's electric and he
will light up your locker room. He'll light up the field.
He gets everybody to play better than they thought they could.
He's like that born leader, Brett Farv type guy, but
his story is so much deeper and so much more compelling.
Number seven wasn't always his number. His number in high
(37:23):
school was thirteen. His best friend was number seven, his
receiver who he lost to suicide. The day they were
both leaving for college. Pratt was going to Tulane and
Bryce Goudy was going to Georgia Tech, and the night
before that, we lost him to suicide. And so seeing
him not only battle that extraordinary grief but help his
(37:46):
teammates and his coaches battle through it. You got an
eighteen year old kid that's helping the coaching staff deal
with their grief while he's away at college. Just a special,
special kid. And then horrible second loss. Last year he
lost his brother and best friend, his own brother, which
(38:07):
is so devastating. So now he's got these two losses
and he channels all that grief into how can I
be of service to others? How can I be positive?
And how can I honor these two guys that I
love so much? And the one thing we love about
his story is is that his brother had left behind
a brand newborn niece, a baby girl that is Michael
(38:28):
Pratt's niece. And Michael loves this little girl and he's
going to play for her and she's he's going to
be huge part of her life and he's going to
honor her dad every way he can on that field.
Great story.
Speaker 1 (38:40):
You know, you never wish ill on anyone, and we
certainly just feel for anybody who has to go through
stories the likes of which you've just mentioned, which is terrible,
terrible stuff. There's no butt coming, there's an and coming.
And yet when we meet these young people who have
experienced so much in life and all of these challenges
that they've had to face and yes overcome, man, it
(39:02):
makes better men, and sometimes yes, it can make better
players and better teammates. Michael Pratt, quarterback out of Tulane.
That is a name that is now firmly in my memory,
and I'm going to be listening for his name over
the next few days. Listener, I highly suggest that you
do the same. Let's finish with a story of another kid.
Penn State defensive end Adessa Isaac is another story honoring
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his mother's resilience and dedication to caring for his three
non verbal siblings. Adsa Isaac put this kid on the map.
Speaker 6 (39:37):
Michael Robinson said it last night on Total Accents. So
you feel his story when you watch him play. And
his story is he grew up with three non verbal
disabled siblings. So they don't speak in the way that
you and I speak, but they do have their own
language in the way that they communicate, and it's so
(39:57):
cool and so sweet. He grew up helping take care
of them, loving them. But he grew up in awe
of his mother, who takes care of these three kids.
And we get to meet the whole family, and something
happens in the middle of the piece where one of
the one of the siblings interrupts the interview of the
(40:19):
mom and just comes up. It just enters the frame
out of nowhere and gives her this little kiss on
the cheek and then walks away, and you get the
whole You see the whole family in that moment. You
completely get it, and you will cry your eyes out.
But this kid is Yeah, here's another stud that's coming
off the edge and disrupting and you know, just ripping
up college offenses. And then you hear this story behind that,
(40:42):
and you see who he's playing for and who he's
bringing with him in his art to the National Football League,
and it's like, this is why we love this episode.
You know, you see why we love our jobs.
Speaker 1 (40:52):
You can feel his story when you watch him play.
That's what's been said about Penn State defensive end at
desa Isaac. His story one of four extraordinary stories on
the latest episode of NFL three sixty. They're annual, they're
Extraordinary Annual Draft Special. It premiered last night on NFL Network.
It can be seen now. As Trent Cooper just told
(41:13):
us on the NFL YouTube channel, show runner Trent Cooper,
thank you so much for your time today.
Speaker 4 (41:19):
Thank you.
Speaker 6 (41:20):
This is my favorite podcast. Am I allowed to say that?
Speaker 1 (41:22):
Of course you're allowed to say that. In fact, you're
allowed to advertise that on giant billboards and all the
major cities in America. Trent, we so appreciate your time.
But before you go listen, do me a favor. Do
a bad show, just one, or like part of one,
you know what I mean. Just put a stinker out
there one time, one of these days. Yeah, just to
let us sinners back in the conversation. You're amazing. I
love you.
Speaker 4 (41:41):
You're You're an.
Speaker 1 (41:42):
Extraordinary filmmaker and we so so appreciate what you deliver
to us time and time again. NFL three sixty show
runner Trent Cooper, You're awesome. Bud After the Break, Daniel
Jeremiah's latest mock Draft, Bucky Brook's latest mock Draft two,
and the one thing that should never happen on Day
one of the Draft. And you know what, it just
might anyway, that's next on NFL Total Access the podcast.
(42:06):
You are listening to NFL Total Access the podcast. Andrew
Lavy with the one hundredth overall pick of the two
thousand and six NFL Draft, Michael Robinson, How deep can
you go on your draft? How good is that memory?
Let's find out? The number one overall pick in two
thousand and six was.
Speaker 4 (42:23):
Reggie Bush.
Speaker 2 (42:23):
No, no, not Reggie Bush. He was number two. That
was the kid from the Houston, Texas.
Speaker 1 (42:28):
Yes, Mario Williams. No, I'll look at we're gonna give
you that. We're gonna give you that one. Mario Williams
does go one to the Texans. Reggie Bush does go
two to the Saints. Who went third?
Speaker 4 (42:38):
Ooh? Who went third?
Speaker 1 (42:42):
Joshua a tech in the room right now is scanning
the heavens trying to remember himself and listener. I find
this an interesting thing because it's important for us to remember.
We do forget these things. We think it's headline news tomorrow,
it may be forgotten a couple of years from now.
Who went third?
Speaker 2 (42:56):
It's either Nick man Gold or du Brica South ferguson
one of those.
Speaker 4 (43:01):
I think Brick went fourth, though.
Speaker 1 (43:03):
Brick did go fourth. You're absolutely right. Number three, overall
national champion, national champion, broke the hearts of the USC Trojans.
Vince Young goes third. Number five, we see him, We
see him every day. Number five a j Hawk. You
know Pat McAfee's co host there, right, And then it's
(43:23):
Vernon Davis and Michael Huff, Dante Whitner and Ernie Simms
and Matt Lionert finishes out the top ten. Jay Cutler
picked eleventh. But this is not to expose that Michael
doesn't remember in lockstep the historical rollout of the two
thousand and six draft. It's a reminder that when we
team build listener as we will start to do well
(43:46):
continue to do tomorrow in round one of the draft,
don't get too hung up on who goes where. This
is about the right guy landing in the right spot,
because if he does, then we will know his name
two and five and ten and twenty years from now. Okay,
before we let you go, Michael Robinson, there are always surprises,
sometimes big ones on day one of the drafts. Knowing
(44:09):
what you know about this draft class, what is the
one thing that we never saw coming but maybe we should?
Speaker 2 (44:17):
Ah that's a good question. I could say no safety
is taken in the first round. I can say no
running backs taken in the first round. I can say
six quarterbacks go in the first round. I can say
that there will be four tackles that go back to
back to back to back. I think another back back.
Speaker 1 (44:39):
A little run on tackles.
Speaker 4 (44:41):
Interesting run on tackles. Right right there.
Speaker 1 (44:44):
Are run on quarterbacks, are run on tackles. Safeties and
running backs. You're gonna be disappointed in Michael Robinson's instincts.
Do you have an instinct Mike rob On a player
who this is an anniversary of Aaron Rodgers. This day
that we are recording this, which is actually Tuesday, is
an anniversary of Aaron Rodgers falling precipitously still in the
(45:04):
first round, of course, and he's gonna he's headed to
the Hall of Fame. Let's not cry a teer for
the kid. But that was a famous draft moment, and
it happened however many years ago. Today, do you foresee
anybody who could or is maybe primed unfortunately so for him.
But such is the way of the world, and such
is the way of the draft. Anybody do for a dip.
Speaker 4 (45:25):
I believe if it happens, it'll be Drake May.
Speaker 2 (45:27):
Interesting if the command Yeah, if the Commanders choose Daniels
at two and the Patriots decide they want to trade
back and get more assets and wait on a quarterback
to fall to them, I gotta feeling Drake May could
be waiting a while.
Speaker 1 (45:44):
Consider yourself warned, listener, and consider yourself warned, Drake May.
We're not saying we want it to happen, but it might.
I want to thank today's special guess, the real microd
Michael Robinson. Enjoy the draft, and thank you so much
for your time today, Bud. Let's turn now before we
finish to the final thoughts, well semi final thoughts of
our in house scouts and talent evaluators, Bucky Brooks and
(46:07):
Daniel Jeremiah. They are the co hosts of the Popular
for a Reason, by the Way, Move the Sticks podcast.
These guys are famous for their accurate and insightful mock
drafts as we prepare for every annual NFL draft. This
year no different. Bucky Brooks Mock Draft four point zero.
The number one overall pick, Caleb Williams goes to the Bears.
(46:29):
The Washington Commanders select Jade and Daniels number two. The
New England Patriots don't move the pick, as we have
talked about being a possibility. They stay according to Bucky Brooks,
and select Drake May third overall, the Arizona Cardinals. They
also stay at four and select wide receiver Marvin Harrison Junior.
The Chargers stay at five and select tackle Joe Alt
(46:53):
The New York Giants many consider them to be looking
for a quarterback. Well, they may still be looking for
a quarterback, just not at s according to Bucky Brooks,
who sees them select wide receiver Malik Neighbors. The Tennessee
Titans are looking for help on their O line and
they get it in the form of tackle to Lisa
Fuaga out of Oregon State.
Speaker 4 (47:13):
At eight.
Speaker 1 (47:13):
The Atlanta Falcons select defensive tackle Byron Murphy the second.
At nine, the Chicago Bears stay right there. They keep
the pick, and they make the pick, and that pick
is Rome Adunze, wide receiver. Apparently Bucky Brooks was listening
to Michael Robinson. And to finish out Bucky Brook's top ten,
the New York Jets stay where they are and select
(47:33):
tight end Brock Bowers now Bucky Brooks. Colleague Daniel Jeremiah
sees it a little differently. In his three point zero
mock draft. DJ has Caleb Williams going number one, but
he sees the Commanders taking Drake May at two, the
Patriots taking Jade and Daniels at three, and then the
fun begins. The Vikings trade with the Cardinals for the
(47:55):
number four pick, and with the number four pick they
select Jay J.
Speaker 4 (47:59):
McCoy.
Speaker 1 (48:00):
There's four straight quarterbacks, according to DJ. With the fifth pick,
the New York Jets trade with the Chargers for that
pick and select Marvin Harrison Junior. With the sixth pick,
the Giants take Malik Neighbors at seven. The Titans take
Joe Alt at eight. The Falcons take edge rusher at
Obama Dallas Turner. At nine. The Bears stay right there
(48:23):
and select who wide receiver Rome Adunze. We have a
theme developing in Chicago at nine and at ten, the
Chargers now sitting at ten after that deal with the Jets,
they select the tackle to Lisa Fuaga. Now you can
check out DJ's full three point zero mock draft right
now at nfl dot com. BUCkies two, of course, and
(48:45):
make sure to check out DJ's final mock draft in
his now annual show. It's amazing stuff, guys. You have
to check it out. It's called Daniel Jeremiah's Mockdraft twenty
twenty four. It's at eight pm Eastern tonight on NFL Network.
In the way of final advice to NFL decision makers
ahead of tomorrow's Round one, DJ tweeted this quote best
(49:07):
advice I can give when putting your lists together. Make
your own mistakes, don't adopt opinions, trust your eyes, and
give your own opinion. Down the road, you'll look back
and learn from your misses.
Speaker 4 (49:21):
End quote.
Speaker 1 (49:22):
Well, for all the hits and yeah, maybe a miss
or two. Make sure to set a record or create
a window to watch the twenty twenty four NFL Draft,
presented by bud Light. That's seven rounds over three days
April twenty fifth, twenty sixth, and twenty seventh, live from Detroit.
NFL Network Draft coverage is presented by Verizon. You can
catch additional coverage on ABC, ESPN, ESPN Deportes and streaming
(49:46):
on NFL Plus. Let's watch together, shall we?
Speaker 4 (49:49):
It?
Speaker 1 (49:49):
All starts tomorrow night, eight pm Eastern. Visit nfl dot
com slash Draft for more information, and I want to
invite you to tune in next time four hour complete
Round one recap picks one through thirty two, the day
when mock draft and shock Draft give way to a
(50:10):
locked draft, the very real, on the clock draft. Who
made the biggest move, who made the biggest mistake, and
who one Round one answers next time till then, Happy draft, y'all.
I hope you get exactly who and what you want,
you know, as long as it's not at the expense
of my team. Thank you for listening, and show fin now.
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