- THE TRUTH ABOUT CALEB WILLIAMS
- Kimmi Chex’s unique interview with the presumed #1 overall pick reveals a side of this young man we may have overlooked
- BLOCKBUSTER or BETRAYAL?
- Giants fans are upset at Saquon Barkley for joining the Eagles
- Packers fans are upset at Aaron Jones for joining the Vikings
- Is there such a thing as LOYALTY during Free Agency?
- SHOULD there be?
- DEVAUATION to REVALUATION?
- Is this the moment we look back on … when respect … returned … for the NFL Running Back?
- OR is the Free Agency RB frenzy due to a lack of depth & star power in this year’s class of Running Back prospects?
- QB or NOT QB … THAT is the QUESTION
- Fallout from the Kirk Cousins & Russell Wilson deals
- Are the Falcons instant division favorites?
- Are the Steelers back to being AFC contenders?
- WOMEN’S HISTORY MONTH
- Kimmi Chex’s brutally honest assessment of progress & problems with re. to Women in the NFL
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
NFL Total Access is a production of the NFL in
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Speaker 2 (00:05):
It's Wednesday, March thirteenth, and you are listening to NFL
Total Access the podcasts.
Speaker 1 (00:16):
That is the voice of today's special guest hosts of
NFL Total Access the broadcast. A rising star in the
sports media space, a woman who actually can keep it real,
and her ability to actually keep it real has separated
her from legions of fellow broadcasters who may not know
how to do that. It has helped her create moments,
(00:37):
in my estimation, with NFL players and her broadcast partners
that you simply don't get elsewhere. And she reminds us
that you can be two things, a knowing representative of
your league and a feeling representative of your team. In
her case, that team the two time defending champions, the
Kansas City Chiefs. Oh god, it explains so much. She
(00:58):
confirmed on Monday that she wasn't nervous for a single
snap of the Chief's Super Bowl fifty eight victory. And
I believe her. Such is the supreme confidence and belief
in today's Chiefs fan. Please welcome back to the pod.
This Chiefs fan Kimme checks.
Speaker 2 (01:13):
I'm so happy to be here. That was such a
beautiful introduction having Can we just have can we just
have a moment for Andrew Leavy?
Speaker 1 (01:20):
Everything you'll look at to move on, here's the moment
for Andrew Lavy. I'm your host, n if I'll never
seen your writer Andrew Lavy moment over and on today's show,
I will extract, or at least, I will attempt to
extract experience and perspective from Kimmy on topics ranging from
what she saw and heard from her field side seat
at the scouting combine in Indy. As closely as we work,
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you and I haven't really caught up since the combines.
Plus oh, I don't know. Huge moves in the NFL
in anticipation of today's New Year's Day festivities. Happy New
Year's by the way, thank you, that's right leg gear,
Yeah gear, thank you. At three pm Eastern restarts the
NFL calendar, and all of the free agency deals that
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you've been hearing about for the last couple of days
will become official. Others too, will follow as the frenzy
a free agency kicks off in an official way later today.
That's three pm Eastern, so stay tuned right here on
NFL Network, on NFL Plus on NFL dot com if
you are you know, rabid for all of the very
latest breaking news roster redefining moves, the story. Kimmy, I
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want to know what your first thought was when you
heard that deep breath. Here's some moves and they're really
exciting to keep track of. Listener Kirk Cousins. Kirk Cousins
will join the Atlanta Falcons on a four year, one
hundred and eighty million dollar deal, one hundred million guaranteed. Kimmy,
this guy's been playing on guaranteed money for almost a decade.
Your first thoughts first, blush Kirk Cousins to the Falcons.
Speaker 2 (02:45):
Who is your agent? And is he looking for new clients?
I think Kirk Cousins has been a masterclass for becoming,
if not being one of the highest paid consistent quarterbacks
in the NFL and not having much to prove. And
I don't mean that in a disparaging way, because he
has bought the Vikings organization to dominance and had some
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really effective wins over the last few years. But in
terms of postseason success there, it's not necessarily been there.
And yet she's been paid, and the Atlanta Falcons now
have a veteran quarterback that, according to our very own
Camwolf yesterday on Total Access the show See What I
Did There, I did versus the podcast, said that players
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in that locker room were so enthusiastic that he was
coming their way.
Speaker 1 (03:32):
Because finally they really are.
Speaker 2 (03:34):
They have a veteran presence at a position that the
last few years has been lackluster.
Speaker 1 (03:41):
To be polite, does that make them instant NFC South favorites?
Speaker 2 (03:46):
It resets the entire NFC South sman, you know.
Speaker 1 (03:48):
Our boy David Carr's brother, Derek Carr down in Orleans
was like, oh shit, okay, it's like what else we
got here?
Speaker 2 (03:53):
Oh okay, Yeah, the whole beating the Falcons, you know,
handily every single season. Maybe that's not so difficult. I
think the Baker Mayfield contract in Tampa also has major
implications because it's very very interesting, which we said that
exact same thing last season. We're like, hold up, now.
Speaker 1 (04:12):
NFC on the NFC South or the a FC South,
to be fair to us, check us on this. We
have receipts and you know, Houston Texans did their part
on the AFC South side and very interesting. Now NFC South. Okay,
let's talk about Russell Wilson, who will join the Pittsburgh Stealers.
Let's talk about on a one year, one point two
million dollars.
Speaker 2 (04:30):
That is the that is the that is the best
bargain deal of the NFL, point blank period. I think
that is absolutely genius.
Speaker 1 (04:38):
He put pen to paper and in a single brushstroke
of a cursive I should think name uh go Badgers.
Russell Wilson went from overpaid, right over kind of marketed
to overlooked and underpaid. And hey, now he's the little
engine that could. Okay, let's well, let's Russell Wilson thirty
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nine million dollars not to play in Denver. But that
allows Mike Tomlin and the you know and the Pittsburgh
steel Is to snap him up at a huge discount
for a starting quarterback, a Super Bowl winning quarterback. You
had decent stats last year. Go look it up, listener.
Do not discount what Russell Wilson was able to do
on the field. Your first thoughts do you like this fit?
Speaker 2 (05:21):
I love it. I love it again. I am referencing
yesterday's Total Access, but I find this point incredibly valid.
And this is why I think we have brilliant analyst
on the show. We had Bucky Brooks and Sean O'Hay yesterday.
In Bucky's initial reaction to Russell Wilson was, Mike Tomlin
is going to give Russ credibility in that locker room
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to no longer be a cornball and instead be liked
by the guys around him. And I he said that nice,
and I like kind of paused for a second and
thought about it and was like, maybe Russ needed a
black head coach who takes no prisoners, who does not
play the game of bullshit of let's ride. You're going
to have your own office and the same wing as
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the coaches next to our you know, next to my office,
and you're going to be one of the guys in
the meetings. Mike Tomlin, Mind you, Russell Wilson comes from
a father with an army background. Mike Tomlin, in my eyes,
is nothing short of an efficient and effective sergeant.
Speaker 1 (06:23):
Without a doubt. Games Absolutely, Mike Tomlin went to a
went to William Murray in in Virginia, in Williamsburg, Virginia.
Russell Wilson is from Virginia. Don't don't discount the regional
connection that these two may have. There may be a shorthand.
And I think, Kimmy, what you just what you just
said is exactly right. Think about that, listener, because your
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image of Russell Wilson has been tainted by maybe maybe
up to three things, but definitely two things. The pick
against the Patriots. You know that you are scarred by
that because you blame him for not turning around and
handing off to Marshawn when in fact that play was
called for him and he ran it as he could.
Malcolm Butler made a great play. But that was the
beginning of the end for Russell Wilson. And then all
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of the stories that we hear from a lot of guys,
former teammates, from people in the league, and just the
sensation that we get even online that he's over marketed.
He's done too much of that marketing himself, asking for
his own office in Denver was sounded the death knell
for himself. He didn't realize what a dangerous decision that
was to put himself above, literally above his teammates. Right,
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it doesn't it doesn't add up to real leadership, not
in an NFL sense. So to Kimmy's point, if we
remove that cornball of the year, the go you know,
the Gohawks and the let's ride bs and just get
the one of the best deep ball throwers in the NFL.
If amazingly effective in and out of the pocket if
he's fit enough to get out of the pocket and
stay healthy. Pretty decent vision with young talent. Now young
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the formula, that's the Russell Wilson formula. Right, what was
the formula in Seattle? It was a dominating defense. Check
the Steelers have that. It was all a running game
that stands up. Okay, yes, check what we've seen from
Nagy and from Jalen Warren. This that would that will work.
And you've got a coach who refuses, actually refuses, has
never had a losing season in the NFL. So you
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take a winner, you take a guy who's desperate to
be a winner again, and you put him on a
team with all the right pieces. He one point two
million dollars.
Speaker 2 (08:24):
It's genius.
Speaker 1 (08:24):
Will we look back at that as being one of
the steals in recent NFL history?
Speaker 2 (08:29):
Yes, while pointing the finger at the Broncos that that
was the most failed experiment in modern NFL history.
Speaker 1 (08:34):
It's brutal, wasn't it brutal?
Speaker 2 (08:36):
But hey, we'll see who gets the last laugh.
Speaker 1 (08:38):
In a few months, Saquon Barkley travels ninety three point
five miles down the ninety five interstate to Philly three years,
thirty seven point seventy five million dollars. That's what twelve
point six per year. My question to you is this
Giants to Eagles gambit? Is that allowed?
Speaker 2 (08:55):
It is allowed? Go where the money flow.
Speaker 1 (08:58):
Cheeky barber guys, I'm sure some if you heard this
or saw this, I love Marth because he's dead to me.
Speaker 2 (09:06):
Tell me. Sequan's response was like, that's so funny that
you say that. Why don't you stayed true to your
word and next time not smile in my face?
Speaker 1 (09:14):
Oh wow, I know some decent beef.
Speaker 2 (09:17):
I like something a lot.
Speaker 1 (09:18):
Okay, but he's dead to me. It is a bit much,
I should think. And yet I don't know. If Daryl
Green or John Riggins had taken a free agency, big
money move to go play for the Dallas Cowboys, I
would have been heartbroken as a kid, and I think
I would have carried around a certain kind of resentment
about listen We know you wanted to get paid, but
of all the teams, you're going to go play our
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bitter rival. So I guess my question is does that
hold any weight with you in these in the modern NFL?
Or is that is that archaic thinking? Well not?
Speaker 2 (09:50):
When you read articles that say that the Giants never
offered him a deal, well.
Speaker 1 (09:54):
That's exactly right. I had the opportunity to match it,
or to or to get him cheap or a couple
of years years ago and ensure that he's still on
your roster.
Speaker 2 (10:02):
But instead we paid Daniel Jones we as in they not.
I No, I think that's a very archaic idea. I
think listen, do we all have favorite players who we
become so beholden to because they represent a childhood fantasy
of fandom and the way in which we become obsessive
over this sport.
Speaker 1 (10:20):
Yes?
Speaker 2 (10:21):
Absolutely, As a fan and as someone who understands the
business of the NFL, you think I'm going to be
mad at a guy for going and getting paid, Come on, like,
get out of here. If anything like it, it's more fun,
if anything is a football fan. Doesn't that make that
rivalry even more fun? Doesn't it make the ticket price
for those games go up even more. It's like, that's
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the whole point of the NFL. You want to talk
about a script. Let's do more of this. Let's talk
about the script of the revenge tour free agency. That's
what's going to be the storyline and next season and
how fun is that going to be? Who cares?
Speaker 1 (10:54):
You are listening to NFL Total Access to podcast. After
the break, I want to ask Kimmy Checks today's special guest,
a question about something that's rather rare, which is the
NFL maybe having a collective change of heart. Are we
talking about the revaluation of the NFL running back? Let's
put that on the table. After the break on NFL Total.
Speaker 3 (11:13):
Access the podcast, we interrupt this podcast to bring you
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news of something that is anathema to all major sports leagues,
a change of heart.
Speaker 1 (11:39):
We talked about Saquon Barkley before the break, but there
are deals in place now for a long list of
free agent running backs, DeAndre Swift, Devin Singletary, Tony Pollard,
Antonio Gibson, my guy leaving Washington, and the biggest stories
of all Derrick Henry el Tractorcito off to the Ravens,
John Levy. I want to hear your thoughts on that.
Please call me later. A Ston Eckler leaves the Chargers,
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comes to my commanders. Aaron Jones leaves the Packers, goes
to the Vikings. There's that division, there's that revival. Damnit right.
But these are guys that have defined their team at
the running back position for a significant amount of time.
Off now to new teams. They are getting paid kimmy checks.
Will we look back at this moment and say that
it was the revaluation of the NFL running back Possibly?
Speaker 2 (12:24):
But I was just in Indianapolis and I want to
be careful to not besmirch this upcoming draft class. I
don't think that there are huge, splashy big names coming
out of this year's draft in which teams can think, oh,
I'll have this young guy coming straight from college to
the NFL that I can get at a at a
low value that are going to be instant go getters
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and you know, roster resetters and changers in the NFL. However,
on the flip side of that argument, and to be
my own devil's advocate here, the Kansas City Chiefs selected
Isaiah Pacheco in seventh round Was he the big splashy
name out of Rutgers. No, not necessarily. Did he make
an immedia impact and go in two back to back
Super Bowls? He did, But I think when you look
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at the upcoming class for the draft, that is where
much of a reset can kind of come into play.
I'm happy for you to push back on that for me,
but that's kind of where my head automatically goes to.
Also fascinating, this is a one year This is a
one year shift. This isn't like for five years we've
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seen this president. This is just a one year Hey,
why don't we pivot a little bit and see? And also,
if I'm not mistaken, if you look at this year's playoffs, okay,
look at the final teams in the playoffs. Yes, did
some of those wins and losses not come down to
solely the run game?
Speaker 1 (13:49):
Interesting? I mean I think you could certainly look at
the race races to you how many how many rush
to take championship game? I think it was six total.
It was a shockingly low number of attempts and of
course yards. They threw the ball forty plus times. Not
a recipe for success. And when you think about a
team that deviated from their DNA, from their definition as
a unit in the biggest moment, and they still only
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lost by touchdown too. The best quarterback maybe we've ever seen,
and a team that is obviously worthy of its dynastic place.
I think Kimmi's onto something. You've got Jonathan Brooks from Texas.
You've got Trey Bents in Florida State. You've got Blake
Korham of course from Michigan, Bucky Irving from Oregon, Audrick
esteem A, the kid from Notre Dame. Am I saying
his name right, Audric Estimee forgive me fighting Irish Notre Dame.
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That's Bucky Brooks's top five running backs. But those guys
didn't wow at the combine. They didn't wow. Prior to
the combine. There was no Bjon Robinson in this class.
It wasn't a needle moving position group. So I think
to your point, GMS know that they acted early. There
was a run on running backs, and it's really nice
to see these guys get into pay.
Speaker 2 (14:53):
This free agency was a week removed from the NFL
scouting carbine. Do you think this wasn't top of mine?
Speaker 1 (14:58):
Of course it was, And to your point, to push
back on my question. You're right to correct it. Okay,
maybe maybe this is the start of a revaluation process.
But to Kimmy's point, it's one year until we see it, two, three, four,
five years in a row. Then and only then can
we say yes, this was the beginning of something different.
NFL Total Access to podcast Andrew Lady with Kimmy Checks.
(15:20):
I have a couple of Giants questions for you, which
is what you always do when you get a Kansas
City Chiefs fans in the chair. Now, that's a beautiful
thing about Kimmy. She's well versed on all these teams.
Let's talk about Barkley out leaves in my estimation, and
I'm sure you would agree it's kind of obvious. Daniel Jones,
feeling totally exposed. NFL insider Mike Garrifola said that based
on the scuttle butt out of Giants facility, there is
(15:41):
a he said, what a seventy six point five percent chance,
But the Giants draft a quarterback in April's draft. We
will let him explain his arithmetic. But here's the question.
Is Daniel Jones done in a Giants uniform?
Speaker 2 (15:54):
Will he suit up this year this season in some capacity.
Speaker 1 (15:58):
You so he's not out the door pre draft, preseason, No, No,
he stays on the roster.
Speaker 2 (16:05):
I think he fights for a spot.
Speaker 1 (16:06):
Yes.
Speaker 2 (16:07):
Do I think the Giants have the ability to currently
at six choose a quarterback.
Speaker 1 (16:13):
Absolutely looks like JJ McCarthy would probably be there. Okay,
And if you wanted to make a move, are you
getting into the top two? Not against the team with
the number one of.
Speaker 2 (16:22):
The change, not against not against the Commanders.
Speaker 1 (16:25):
Or maybe the Patriots at three, maybe a Cardinal scene
that doesn't necessarily theoretically need a quarterback at four? Who knows,
but if the Giants are going to do something, they'd
have to make a move for somebody, or you saw
JJ McCarthy out there at the.
Speaker 2 (16:39):
Maybe looks right. I think he helped his draft stock
one hundred percent. I think people are a little bit
higher on him right than they were, you know, coming
out of the National Championship game in his collegiate career.
Regardless of if they do select a quarterback in the
first round, or if they do select a quarterback in
this draft class period. Outside of c. J. Stroud, who
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was an amazing enigma last he was a joy has
been impressive outset that you do not need to rush
to start a quarterback. Okay, but we do not need
to rush to start a quarterback. Hey, you don't in
the draft, Becau.
Speaker 1 (17:13):
Couldn't you say that you've heard what I've heard, which
is that the word out of Giants facility is that
they are done with We've We've heard all these different
versions of we're done with this guy. The Daniel Jones
experiment is over, which is a strange thing to say
after you signed to a four year, one hundred and
sixty million dollars deal. But of course, four years, one
hundred and sixty million, with all the versatility that the
team has in that contract, is oddly, almost instantly an
(17:35):
affordable quarterback contract. So to Kimmy's point, don't be surprised
if Daniel Jones, yes does run out of the tunnel
a met life for the opening home game of the
season as a member of the New York Giants. Why
because well, who else you're going to get? Are you
going to unload him and then rely on your ability
to transform at JJ McCarthy in too something ready Week one?
Hell no, that's not how the league works, is it? No?
Speaker 2 (17:56):
But I also think there's there's something to note that
Brian da Ball, Joe Shane want to have their guy
in the building. Daniel Jones was not their guy.
Speaker 1 (18:04):
Yeah, there's something.
Speaker 2 (18:06):
To that that as a head coach and as a GM,
you want to bring in your guy and take credit
for his development of That was the guy that we
did our due diligence on, That was the guy that
we scouted. That is the guy that we developed. And
the best way to do that is to sometimes have
them sit.
Speaker 1 (18:21):
Yeah, everybody's on the hot seat in the NFC East
if you're not performing a year in year out. So yes,
Dave Ball is on the hot seat. Shane is too,
and they know that they've got to win and they've
got to win now. Drake may is drawing comparisons to
Josh Allen, And of course when we think Josh Allen,
we remember his pedigree, we remember his coaching tree. Brian
Daboll was his OC in Buffalo for his best year
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or two as we know it in Josh Allen's career.
Is Drake may Worth moving up to the top three.
You watched You didn't watch him out there because he
didn't compete, not the combat.
Speaker 2 (18:54):
However, I spoke to him such a such a sweet
yeap guy. He called me ma'am, which seems dumb. Dear listener,
I am young and vivacious, and I do not feel
as if I am a mam. But he called me ma'am,
and I thought it was sweeten and deary and beyond
just the mam of it all. He seemed like a
really great kid.
Speaker 1 (19:16):
You know, You've got us in the room in Indy
and we watched to some degree all of or some
portion of four days of scouting combine drills Thursday to Sunday.
I guess it was last week. Your one on one
with Caleb Williams is of particular interest to me, and
I'm going to ask you about that in a moment.
But the four days of the scouting combine you were there,
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some three hundred and nineteen participants, not all of them drilled,
of course, I see you, Drake May and Jayden Daniels
and Marvin Harrison, and yes, Caleb Williams, who made news,
as he does, the presumed number one overall pick when
he declined to throw and declined to have the traditional
medical kimmy, a decision the like that I like the
more I think about it, because and I was talking
(19:57):
to Mike Yam about this. Tell me if you agree,
if you or in my medical records were released to
the public, we have a lawsuit on our hands. Oh absolutely, Okay. Now,
I realize that these are teams making large investments in
assets and they need to vet those assets. But I
think to Caleb's point, I feel an overarching message from
him in his camp, which is, if you're going to
invest in me, that's fine, Yes, you get my medical
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evaluation in my medical profile. But the rest of you
who don't have a chance to draft in the top
two or three, I'll be gone by the time you're
in consideration. No, there's two of me medical profile. That's
precisely what he said. There's not thirty two of me.
So kind I kind of respect his decision. Can you
make the introductions please and allow us to add a
page to the dossier of Caleb Williams. Tell me about
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your interview, your moment with him.
Speaker 2 (20:44):
Yeah, so I think you know, candidly, I didn't expect
much from him. I had just then he would be
on guard, on guard, right right, and not revealing, you know,
and I won't I won't fully you know, reveal names,
but you can easily go to NFL Plus or even
potentially NFL dot com to see the interviews that we
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did at the combine. There are some quarterbacks we did
not have interviews with because they declined prior to even
showing up that day, saying we do not want to
do it. So going into the combine, you know, I
think we've all heard a narrative that Caleb has ego,
or that it's calculated, or that he has a team,
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you know, meticulously telling him how to move through these.
Speaker 1 (21:28):
The sensation being that he's managed a bit.
Speaker 2 (21:30):
He is right, that was the assumption. Okay, So I
go into the days of quarterbacks, running back, some wide receivers.
It's the longest day of the combine, and in my head,
I'm like, I gotta drill out all of these interviews
with these guys, and my entire intention the week of
the combine I don't give a shit about football. Yeah,
I don't want to ask about football. I don't want
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to ask you about the x's and o's. We can
look at a cute highlight of yours from college, or
you know, if you have a huge day, let's talk
about your forty money to look at it interview and say, wow,
I like that guy. So our incredible team at NFL,
led by Katchian Smith, who's brilliant, dug into the research
(22:11):
of Caleb Williams and they found out that he loves
sour candy, which seems dumb and playful.
Speaker 1 (22:18):
Random, right, like, okay, sour sour candy.
Speaker 2 (22:23):
Listen, you know mine's wine, it's you know, potato potato.
We all have our thing and we kind of had
this idea. You know, we can do the traditional interview.
We'll do the traditional interview, you know, ask him how
this week has been, have some fun a little bit.
Asked him about his dog, supas as an I believe
Superman Supa and is very excited. He teased that Supa
may be a part of the draft in some capacity
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or have an outfit of sorts.
Speaker 1 (22:47):
But we had an idea his dog out on stage.
Speaker 2 (22:49):
Listen, you want to talk about calculating no, I'm kidding
or manage I mean, shout out to the dog while
we're bringing dogs to the stage. But you know, we
wanted to have some fun. And then we said, when
we're done with that part, why don't we ask him
if he wants to do like a sour candy taste test.
So we bought all these ridiculous sour candies. I think
there were like five or six on the table. I said, Caleb, Hey,
you know, nice to meet you. He walks so far,
and I'm like, you know, Kimmy the NFL network, and
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you know, to my own credit and actually not my
own credit. You know, this is the very first touch
point I have with these players. So on top of
wanting the audience at home to feel as if they
care about these guys and they have a personality and hey,
I like this guy that could potentially be the franchise
franchise changer for my favorite team, I want these guys
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to know like, hey, I can disarm myself around this chick.
She's cool, she's young, she gets it. There's no aha,
gotcha moment. So you know, part of me feels a
bit silly being like, hey Caleb, I'm Kimmy. We're gonna
taste sour candy. And immediately he was so cool, And
immediately I was like, wait, why why why is there
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this conversation that he is this egotistical, calculated guy moving
through this old antiquated system. We could go on a
whole tangent of the NFL process.
Speaker 1 (24:07):
Well, why are we filter?
Speaker 2 (24:11):
Why are we besmirching this kid before he's even made it?
And I have the interview with you.
Speaker 1 (24:16):
You feel like the questions have been kind of like
rise to the level of besmirching his character, Like do
you feel like they really are what you do?
Speaker 2 (24:23):
I think it's disrespectful. And I understand the argument that
these teams are making a hefty investment into these young men,
But I look at the NFL through a completely different lens. Yes,
the NFL is built on the back of young, predominantly
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black men, Yes, facts, and these are the guys that
we idolize. So in the same vein in which we
rush to the NFL dot com to go to NFL
Shop and to buy their jerseys and to proudly wear
their names on our backs on Sundays and on come
Days and on Thursdays and on all the days that
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we play games, why in the hell do you feel
as if you're privileged enough to besmirch a twenty one
year old's character. Yeah, a twenty year old's character.
Speaker 1 (25:14):
It's a crazy thing, isn't It's crazy?
Speaker 2 (25:16):
I don't know on this period. It's crazy.
Speaker 1 (25:18):
What we start to see is we start to evaluate
players based on what they do on the field, and
if they especially for such a high intensity, sort of
high profile, high wattage event like the scouting combine, if
you are not performing, then the notion is that, well,
then we are left to talk about other choices you make,
and so we start to evaluate the choices you make,
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and we start to assume that we understand why you
make the choices you make. And I think that's where
we start to veer drastically and dramatically from what is accurate,
what is true. Yes, those things can be different. We
may be in the right ballpark, and yet it may
not be true, and we start to sort of create
narratives about play and it is entirely unfair. But I
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highly recommend that you do go listen and watch this.
It sounds like it sounds it sounds like a Late
Show moment, right, but it was you and Calle sour Candies,
and it was and it was so good because Kimmy,
you're I think the best in our biz create moments
that allow for authentic kind of selves to emerge because
people are like you said at the very beginning. They're
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often pretty guarded in media settings of any kind, but
Caleb was totally chill, go find it. He was really
he had kind of this wise beyond his years, but
still with the twinkle vibe for me, and for me,
that's a credit to your ability to draw that out
of people. But that was a Caleb Williams that I
can really really root for. And I am rooting for
all these young men, but I'm specifically rooting for Caleb
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now that I've seen a human moment that you created.
Speaker 2 (26:49):
So thank you for that, yeah, and thank you you
know in my head because in the moment, I don't
think you know what is good TV or what is
a good segment. I'm like, God, he was such a
good kid. But you know, I had a line of
twelve other prospects right after him, so it's kind of
a rinse and repeat, right, Hey, nice to meet you.
Please go take all the sour candies, in which a
little side note, he took all of the candy and
shared it with all of the guys in his in
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his group, and they're all like, you know, eating sour
gummy bears, which I'm sure all the scouts were like,
why have you given these guys candies sugar shots all
of them before the forty But he was so great
and for the first time during the combine, we saw
a human yes, and not a prospect, correct, But I
hope people do watch it and take away that, yeah,
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it's a dumb bit about eating sour candy, and you know,
it was insane and very sour to be very blunt,
and he was like totally a champ and like truly
does love the sour candy of it all. But it
made me say, this is not a football player. This
is a young, fun, cool guy who's just like all
of us, who likes things.
Speaker 1 (27:51):
When Gracie and I go out or if we meet people,
I tend to judge people on how they are they
nice to her? Right, like do they you know, Grace
is very specific, do they do they find a way
to connect with her? Are they willing to try to
find a way to connect with her? And I think
a lot of us do that in our family situations.
You sort of judge people on how they treat your crew, right,
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Gracey's my crew, and and so I felt that way
watching him out there, because I'm like all right, Caleb Williams,
You're about to be in a human moment with my girl.
That's my friend right there, that's right. How are you
going to be nice to her? Are you gonna what
are we gonna see? And he was working and he
was nice. And look, when you make these massive investments
of energy and of caring, of of concern and worry
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and all the rest, but yes, also ducats of money,
it's nice to know that there's a there's a human
being that you kind of like behind there, and it
seems like there is at least we saw a glimpse
of that week And Caleb Williams, mhmm. You are listening
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to NFL Total Access to the podcast Andrew Lavy with
Kimmy Checks. And the last topic is you International Women's
Day was this past friday? This is women's history. Yes,
if you'll allow this unmanageable scope that the question invites
women in the NFL, women in football, women in our world.
(29:24):
How are we doing? How can we do better?
Speaker 2 (29:26):
Better? We're doing better?
Speaker 1 (29:27):
Yeah?
Speaker 2 (29:28):
Do I think we're there?
Speaker 1 (29:29):
No? What does there look like?
Speaker 2 (29:31):
I don't know. I don't know if we've seen what
there is? Yeah, you know, there was a moment this
season actually this past season, and Mikeyam was the only
one who saw the moment and understood the moment. We
were in the studio shooting Total Access and there was
a group of visitors, corporate visitors in the building and
(29:53):
they popped in the studio for like fifteen minutes to
watch a segment or two of the show while they
were in town. They're visiting from out of town. I
honestly forget what their group was, but it's a group
of probably I don't know, fifteen people, men and women
amongst the group predominantly men. And we go to a
commercial break and we walk over and we say, hey, guys,
(30:15):
you know, I'm kidmy, Hey, I'm like yam, you know,
nice to meet you, and what are you guys here for?
And you know, any questions you have? And the very
first question that I was asked by one of the
guys in the group is do you actually like the NFL?
And I was so like dumbfounded, and my ego kind
of stepped in a little bit where I'm like, listen here, dude,
(30:38):
you just walked into my studio on a show in
which I co host on national television, where I've been
given a platform to talk about football, and you ask
me if I like football, and Yam, you know, immediately
in the tender, amazing gentle way that Yam does, was like,
that was really messed up. Ye are you okay? And
(30:59):
I was like, yeah, I'm fine. But I think that
is a.
Speaker 1 (31:02):
Behind that question, is the assumption that we're here for
a hosting gig, not because of the sport, right.
Speaker 2 (31:08):
And I think that's where we can do better, and
even just like disarming ourselves of those dumb questions and
that outdated notion that a woman can actually like football,
or actually know things about football, or actually have insights
to football that I would love to get rid of.
(31:29):
And I wanted to be such a such a such
a character to this guy. And you know, I gave
a very gentle answer of like, I've always loved football.
I grew up as a little kid in Kansas City.
Speaker 1 (31:40):
You know, I gave you thought, you know, I gave.
Speaker 2 (31:45):
I gave the whole Yeah, the whole spield. But that's
where I want to be better. But as a part
of your same question, a way in which we can
be better, we have to stop only talking about certain women.
Myself and I should not be the face of Women's
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History Month for the NFL in the grand scheme. I
am nothing, and I have no problem with that. There
are so many other women who do more than I do,
or who do less than I do, but deserve the
platform that I have. And I had a really interesting
moment at Super Bowl. Coincidentally enough, I was at the
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Commissioner's Friday Night party, Yes, which is a very beautiful party.
It's a party in which all thirty two teams and
owners are there, dignitaries, celebrities. It's a very I was
honored to be there, right and I was there with
my husband. And at this party are many, you know,
(32:50):
business partners of the NFL from you know, social media
sites and partners all the way down to you know, Microsoft,
I mean, you name it. People are in the room.
It's probably two thousand people. And I saw a gentleman
who you know, works for one of these companies and
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we've had you know, a friendship and you know, a
loose kind of cordial relationship over the last four or
five years. And he bought up a when he said
hello to my husband and I, he bought up an
upcoming trip, you know, later on this summer where they're
trying to kind of merge the sports world at can
at the Advertising Festival, and he's like, hey, we should
(33:35):
talk about you know, the festival and trying to get
you involved. And this is something that I saw pop
up pop up last year and I wanted to, you know,
be there. And I thought it was so smart that
we're bringing sports to the forefront of brands and of
marketing and of advertising, because if we've seen anything this
season with the Taylor Swift effect of it all, and
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you know, football is global in many ways, and we
should market this globally because of its impact. And he said, hey, yeah,
we should talk about this trip. And I stopped him
because he's in a position in which he can highlight
certain people because of the platform in which he works
for and the influence that he has. And I stopped
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him and said, hey, it's so good to see you.
I would love to talk about that trip. But what
I've realized is you only amplify who you want. So
I'm good and I think that is my call of
action to us this Woman's History month. Stop only amplifying
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the big names or the sexy names, or the people
who are your friends, because there are so many other
women who work just as hard, if not harder, than
I do. But it'd never been given the grace or
the opportunity or the privilege of my platform. And until
we tell those stories, I think we do a shit
job of celebrating women, of celebrating insert whatever history month
(35:07):
it is, right. So that's kind of my call, the
action of how to be better. It shouldn't be me
talking about Women's History Month. It shouldn't be me getting
the platform. I'm honored, But on those platforms, it's my
duty to call out where we should be better. And
we have to stop only amplifying those who get amplified
(35:30):
every single day.
Speaker 1 (35:32):
Widen your eyes, widen your scope, widen your brain, and
widen your heart for the stories that Kimmy Checks implores
us to look for. You cannot look for only that
which you see because we don't show you enough. Look
for more stories. There are countless more stories out there.
You are so wonderful to deflect the spotlight. But to
(35:54):
whom much is given, much is expected, much is expected
of you. And you are perfectly cast for a role
in which much is expected of So thank you for that.
On a somewhat related tip. It's going to feel like
ridiculousness compared to the sublime that you've just given us.
What happens when Travis and Taylor break up? There's a
real question because the.
Speaker 2 (36:15):
Real eyes you said that, not me, but they're a
real deal.
Speaker 1 (36:19):
The eyes of so many young people, girls and young
women especially, who might normally not have paid as close
attention to us as they have recently. You touched on
it a moment ago. How can we keep their interest,
you know, when breakups happen? How can we ensure that
more young women? When you were a kid and you
fell in love with football, how can we attract more
(36:40):
Kimmy checks Nators? How can we attract more Kimberly Whites?
How do we get more of you and keep more
of you? Are we on the right track or are
there optics that need to change? I'm curious to know
your perspective. I don't.
Speaker 2 (36:52):
I mean, I think optically we could change so many
things always, but I think it's more simple than that.
Speaker 1 (36:58):
Do you like what they they being the young girl
out in America? Do you like what she is seeing
when she happens to want to watch the game with dad? Yes,
because there may be five or six Taylor Swift sidings.
Do you like what she's seeing when it's not Taylor
Swift up there on the screen.
Speaker 2 (37:14):
I think we can be better at who covers the game,
who tells the stories of the game. But the main
thing is tell the stories of the players. Take the
Taylor and Travis example. How many people also fell in
love with Jason Kelce this season. Philly loved him. Yeah,
offensive lineman loved him. He's evil legend right, But and
(37:39):
you can argue because of the platform that the two
of them built together with their podcast New Heights, you
got to see their personalities beyond football. And I think
it is on every single franchise, plus the NFL itself,
to take the helmets off and tell the stories of
every single player we have in this league, because that's
(38:02):
what makes people fall in love. If you're a little
girl and you're eating sour gummy bears and you watch
the combine with your dad and you say, hey, he
likes the candy, I like, I'm going to root for him.
It's not this complicated math equation of how to get
people to like the NFL or how to get people
to watch our games. It's rooting for people that you
(38:24):
care about.
Speaker 1 (38:26):
I love it.
Speaker 2 (38:27):
That's all. That's that's all we need so tell.
Speaker 1 (38:29):
At any one time listener, there are between sixteen hundred
and seventeen hundred and fifty active NFL players. It's not
a very big group. I mean, when you break it down,
you do the math, fifty three active players on a roster,
thirty two teams. There it is. It's not that many
stories to be told. And Kimmy, I think you're right.
I think the fact that you have called out with
regards to Women's History Month, and I really do appreciate
(38:52):
your honesty about that, and with regards to this, that
we are guilty of being reductive, of only focusing on
a couple of people, a couple of stories, stories that
are familiar, so we keep going back to the same story.
And yet I think we are savvier media consumers and
content consumers than ever before. My eye can take more material,
my brain can take more nuance, more context. I have
(39:14):
the capacity to hear more stories and to and to
fall in love with more players, to get to know
more players, yes, even on my team, And if I
get to know those players' chances are I get to
meet their moms and dads. I get to meet their wives,
their kids. I get to see more of women's history,
but player history, NFL history, child history being made under
(39:36):
our umbrella. I like the sound of that. I like
the feel of that.
Speaker 2 (39:39):
And guess what and I have I have a question
for you. And when that player that you learn about
from your team, yes during free agency.
Speaker 1 (39:47):
Goes to.
Speaker 2 (39:50):
You, No don't.
Speaker 1 (39:52):
I don't begrudge them. I say God, God, God speed,
John Glenn right, go your way, kid, And there you go.
And I hope to beat you on the day we
see you next, and I hope that you crush it
on all the other days in between.
Speaker 2 (40:02):
Listen, wait to put a bow.
Speaker 1 (40:06):
I want to thank today's special guest, Kimmy Checks, who
you can catch on NFL Network hosting NFL Total Access
the broadcast. You can catch her combine interviews. They're very
likely up on NFL plus MABNFL dot com too. Keep
an eye out for this person. She's special, you see
her on TV. I can't wait to see where she
goes next. Next up Brian Baldinger his pre draft off
(40:27):
season take the wisdom that only extravagant study can bring
it's a seriously cool thing to have access to Brian
Baldinger's brain. That's next time on NFL Total Access, the podcast,
plus we're going to have free agency news, pre draft news,
and we're going to get a Pro Day's update as well.
Till then, take care of you, take care of your
crew and shaffing now. NFL Total Access is a production
(40:52):
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Speaker 2 (00:05):
It's Wednesday, March thirteenth, and you are listening to NFL
Total Access the podcasts.
Speaker 1 (00:16):
That is the voice of today's special guest hosts of
NFL Total Access the broadcast. A rising star in the
sports media space, a woman who actually can keep it real,
and her ability to actually keep it real has separated
her from legions of fellow broadcasters who may not know
how to do that. It has helped her create moments,
(00:37):
in my estimation, with NFL players and her broadcast partners
that you simply don't get elsewhere. And she reminds us
that you can be two things, a knowing representative of
your league and a feeling representative of your team. In
her case, that team the two time defending champions, the
Kansas City Chiefs. Oh god, it explains so much. She
(00:58):
confirmed on Monday that she wasn't nervous for a single
snap of the Chief's Super Bowl fifty eight victory. And
I believe her. Such is the supreme confidence and belief
in today's Chiefs fan. Please welcome back to the pod.
This Chiefs fan Kimme checks.
Speaker 2 (01:13):
I'm so happy to be here. That was such a
beautiful introduction having Can we just have can we just
have a moment for Andrew Leavy?
Speaker 1 (01:20):
Everything you'll look at to move on, here's the moment
for Andrew Lavy. I'm your host, n if I'll never
seen your writer Andrew Lavy moment over and on today's show,
I will extract, or at least, I will attempt to
extract experience and perspective from Kimmy on topics ranging from
what she saw and heard from her field side seat
at the scouting combine in Indy. As closely as we work,
(01:42):
you and I haven't really caught up since the combines.
Plus oh, I don't know. Huge moves in the NFL
in anticipation of today's New Year's Day festivities. Happy New
Year's by the way, thank you, that's right leg gear,
Yeah gear, thank you. At three pm Eastern restarts the
NFL calendar, and all of the free agency deals that
(02:03):
you've been hearing about for the last couple of days
will become official. Others too, will follow as the frenzy
a free agency kicks off in an official way later today.
That's three pm Eastern, so stay tuned right here on
NFL Network, on NFL Plus on NFL dot com if
you are you know, rabid for all of the very
latest breaking news roster redefining moves, the story. Kimmy, I
(02:25):
want to know what your first thought was when you
heard that deep breath. Here's some moves and they're really
exciting to keep track of. Listener Kirk Cousins. Kirk Cousins
will join the Atlanta Falcons on a four year, one
hundred and eighty million dollar deal, one hundred million guaranteed. Kimmy,
this guy's been playing on guaranteed money for almost a decade.
Your first thoughts first, blush Kirk Cousins to the Falcons.
Speaker 2 (02:45):
Who is your agent? And is he looking for new clients?
I think Kirk Cousins has been a masterclass for becoming,
if not being one of the highest paid consistent quarterbacks
in the NFL and not having much to prove. And
I don't mean that in a disparaging way, because he
has bought the Vikings organization to dominance and had some
(03:07):
really effective wins over the last few years. But in
terms of postseason success there, it's not necessarily been there.
And yet she's been paid, and the Atlanta Falcons now
have a veteran quarterback that, according to our very own
Camwolf yesterday on Total Access the show See What I
Did There, I did versus the podcast, said that players
(03:28):
in that locker room were so enthusiastic that he was
coming their way.
Speaker 1 (03:32):
Because finally they really are.
Speaker 2 (03:34):
They have a veteran presence at a position that the
last few years has been lackluster.
Speaker 1 (03:41):
To be polite, does that make them instant NFC South favorites?
Speaker 2 (03:46):
It resets the entire NFC South sman, you know.
Speaker 1 (03:48):
Our boy David Carr's brother, Derek Carr down in Orleans
was like, oh shit, okay, it's like what else we
got here?
Speaker 2 (03:53):
Oh okay, Yeah, the whole beating the Falcons, you know,
handily every single season. Maybe that's not so difficult. I
think the Baker Mayfield contract in Tampa also has major
implications because it's very very interesting, which we said that
exact same thing last season. We're like, hold up, now.
Speaker 1 (04:12):
NFC on the NFC South or the a FC South,
to be fair to us, check us on this. We
have receipts and you know, Houston Texans did their part
on the AFC South side and very interesting. Now NFC South. Okay,
let's talk about Russell Wilson, who will join the Pittsburgh Stealers.
Let's talk about on a one year, one point two
million dollars.
Speaker 2 (04:30):
That is the that is the that is the best
bargain deal of the NFL, point blank period. I think
that is absolutely genius.
Speaker 1 (04:38):
He put pen to paper and in a single brushstroke
of a cursive I should think name uh go Badgers.
Russell Wilson went from overpaid, right over kind of marketed
to overlooked and underpaid. And hey, now he's the little
engine that could. Okay, let's well, let's Russell Wilson thirty
(05:01):
nine million dollars not to play in Denver. But that
allows Mike Tomlin and the you know and the Pittsburgh
steel Is to snap him up at a huge discount
for a starting quarterback, a Super Bowl winning quarterback. You
had decent stats last year. Go look it up, listener.
Do not discount what Russell Wilson was able to do
on the field. Your first thoughts do you like this fit?
Speaker 2 (05:21):
I love it. I love it again. I am referencing
yesterday's Total Access, but I find this point incredibly valid.
And this is why I think we have brilliant analyst
on the show. We had Bucky Brooks and Sean O'Hay yesterday.
In Bucky's initial reaction to Russell Wilson was, Mike Tomlin
is going to give Russ credibility in that locker room
(05:43):
to no longer be a cornball and instead be liked
by the guys around him. And I he said that nice,
and I like kind of paused for a second and
thought about it and was like, maybe Russ needed a
black head coach who takes no prisoners, who does not
play the game of bullshit of let's ride. You're going
to have your own office and the same wing as
(06:05):
the coaches next to our you know, next to my office,
and you're going to be one of the guys in
the meetings. Mike Tomlin, Mind you, Russell Wilson comes from
a father with an army background. Mike Tomlin, in my eyes,
is nothing short of an efficient and effective sergeant.
Speaker 1 (06:23):
Without a doubt. Games Absolutely, Mike Tomlin went to a
went to William Murray in in Virginia, in Williamsburg, Virginia.
Russell Wilson is from Virginia. Don't don't discount the regional
connection that these two may have. There may be a shorthand.
And I think, Kimmy, what you just what you just
said is exactly right. Think about that, listener, because your
(06:43):
image of Russell Wilson has been tainted by maybe maybe
up to three things, but definitely two things. The pick
against the Patriots. You know that you are scarred by
that because you blame him for not turning around and
handing off to Marshawn when in fact that play was
called for him and he ran it as he could.
Malcolm Butler made a great play. But that was the
beginning of the end for Russell Wilson. And then all
(07:05):
of the stories that we hear from a lot of guys,
former teammates, from people in the league, and just the
sensation that we get even online that he's over marketed.
He's done too much of that marketing himself, asking for
his own office in Denver was sounded the death knell
for himself. He didn't realize what a dangerous decision that
was to put himself above, literally above his teammates. Right,
(07:28):
it doesn't it doesn't add up to real leadership, not
in an NFL sense. So to Kimmy's point, if we
remove that cornball of the year, the go you know,
the Gohawks and the let's ride bs and just get
the one of the best deep ball throwers in the NFL.
If amazingly effective in and out of the pocket if
he's fit enough to get out of the pocket and
stay healthy. Pretty decent vision with young talent. Now young
(07:53):
the formula, that's the Russell Wilson formula. Right, what was
the formula in Seattle? It was a dominating defense. Check
the Steelers have that. It was all a running game
that stands up. Okay, yes, check what we've seen from
Nagy and from Jalen Warren. This that would that will work.
And you've got a coach who refuses, actually refuses, has
never had a losing season in the NFL. So you
(08:15):
take a winner, you take a guy who's desperate to
be a winner again, and you put him on a
team with all the right pieces. He one point two
million dollars.
Speaker 2 (08:24):
It's genius.
Speaker 1 (08:24):
Will we look back at that as being one of
the steals in recent NFL history?
Speaker 2 (08:29):
Yes, while pointing the finger at the Broncos that that
was the most failed experiment in modern NFL history.
Speaker 1 (08:34):
It's brutal, wasn't it brutal?
Speaker 2 (08:36):
But hey, we'll see who gets the last laugh.
Speaker 1 (08:38):
In a few months, Saquon Barkley travels ninety three point
five miles down the ninety five interstate to Philly three years,
thirty seven point seventy five million dollars. That's what twelve
point six per year. My question to you is this
Giants to Eagles gambit? Is that allowed?
Speaker 2 (08:55):
It is allowed? Go where the money flow.
Speaker 1 (08:58):
Cheeky barber guys, I'm sure some if you heard this
or saw this, I love Marth because he's dead to me.
Speaker 2 (09:06):
Tell me. Sequan's response was like, that's so funny that
you say that. Why don't you stayed true to your
word and next time not smile in my face?
Speaker 1 (09:14):
Oh wow, I know some decent beef.
Speaker 2 (09:17):
I like something a lot.
Speaker 1 (09:18):
Okay, but he's dead to me. It is a bit much,
I should think. And yet I don't know. If Daryl
Green or John Riggins had taken a free agency, big
money move to go play for the Dallas Cowboys, I
would have been heartbroken as a kid, and I think
I would have carried around a certain kind of resentment
about listen We know you wanted to get paid, but
of all the teams, you're going to go play our
(09:39):
bitter rival. So I guess my question is does that
hold any weight with you in these in the modern NFL?
Or is that is that archaic thinking? Well not?
Speaker 2 (09:50):
When you read articles that say that the Giants never
offered him a deal, well.
Speaker 1 (09:54):
That's exactly right. I had the opportunity to match it,
or to or to get him cheap or a couple
of years years ago and ensure that he's still on
your roster.
Speaker 2 (10:02):
But instead we paid Daniel Jones we as in they not.
I No, I think that's a very archaic idea. I
think listen, do we all have favorite players who we
become so beholden to because they represent a childhood fantasy
of fandom and the way in which we become obsessive
over this sport.
Speaker 1 (10:20):
Yes?
Speaker 2 (10:21):
Absolutely, As a fan and as someone who understands the
business of the NFL, you think I'm going to be
mad at a guy for going and getting paid, Come on, like,
get out of here. If anything like it, it's more fun,
if anything is a football fan. Doesn't that make that
rivalry even more fun? Doesn't it make the ticket price
for those games go up even more. It's like, that's
(10:43):
the whole point of the NFL. You want to talk
about a script. Let's do more of this. Let's talk
about the script of the revenge tour free agency. That's
what's going to be the storyline and next season and
how fun is that going to be? Who cares?
Speaker 1 (10:54):
You are listening to NFL Total Access to podcast. After
the break, I want to ask Kimmy Checks today's special guest,
a question about something that's rather rare, which is the
NFL maybe having a collective change of heart. Are we
talking about the revaluation of the NFL running back? Let's
put that on the table. After the break on NFL Total.
Speaker 3 (11:13):
Access the podcast, we interrupt this podcast to bring you
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news of something that is anathema to all major sports leagues,
a change of heart.
Speaker 1 (11:39):
We talked about Saquon Barkley before the break, but there
are deals in place now for a long list of
free agent running backs, DeAndre Swift, Devin Singletary, Tony Pollard,
Antonio Gibson, my guy leaving Washington, and the biggest stories
of all Derrick Henry el Tractorcito off to the Ravens,
John Levy. I want to hear your thoughts on that.
Please call me later. A Ston Eckler leaves the Chargers,
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comes to my commanders. Aaron Jones leaves the Packers, goes
to the Vikings. There's that division, there's that revival. Damnit right.
But these are guys that have defined their team at
the running back position for a significant amount of time.
Off now to new teams. They are getting paid kimmy checks.
Will we look back at this moment and say that
it was the revaluation of the NFL running back Possibly?
Speaker 2 (12:24):
But I was just in Indianapolis and I want to
be careful to not besmirch this upcoming draft class. I
don't think that there are huge, splashy big names coming
out of this year's draft in which teams can think, oh,
I'll have this young guy coming straight from college to
the NFL that I can get at a at a
low value that are going to be instant go getters
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and you know, roster resetters and changers in the NFL. However,
on the flip side of that argument, and to be
my own devil's advocate here, the Kansas City Chiefs selected
Isaiah Pacheco in seventh round Was he the big splashy
name out of Rutgers. No, not necessarily. Did he make
an immedia impact and go in two back to back
Super Bowls? He did, But I think when you look
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at the upcoming class for the draft, that is where
much of a reset can kind of come into play.
I'm happy for you to push back on that for me,
but that's kind of where my head automatically goes to.
Also fascinating, this is a one year This is a
one year shift. This isn't like for five years we've
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seen this president. This is just a one year Hey,
why don't we pivot a little bit and see? And also,
if I'm not mistaken, if you look at this year's playoffs, okay,
look at the final teams in the playoffs. Yes, did
some of those wins and losses not come down to
solely the run game?
Speaker 1 (13:49):
Interesting? I mean I think you could certainly look at
the race races to you how many how many rush
to take championship game? I think it was six total.
It was a shockingly low number of attempts and of
course yards. They threw the ball forty plus times. Not
a recipe for success. And when you think about a
team that deviated from their DNA, from their definition as
a unit in the biggest moment, and they still only
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lost by touchdown too. The best quarterback maybe we've ever seen,
and a team that is obviously worthy of its dynastic place.
I think Kimmi's onto something. You've got Jonathan Brooks from Texas.
You've got Trey Bents in Florida State. You've got Blake
Korham of course from Michigan, Bucky Irving from Oregon, Audrick
esteem A, the kid from Notre Dame. Am I saying
his name right, Audric Estimee forgive me fighting Irish Notre Dame.
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That's Bucky Brooks's top five running backs. But those guys
didn't wow at the combine. They didn't wow. Prior to
the combine. There was no Bjon Robinson in this class.
It wasn't a needle moving position group. So I think
to your point, GMS know that they acted early. There
was a run on running backs, and it's really nice
to see these guys get into pay.
Speaker 2 (14:53):
This free agency was a week removed from the NFL
scouting carbine. Do you think this wasn't top of mine?
Speaker 1 (14:58):
Of course it was, And to your point, to push
back on my question. You're right to correct it. Okay,
maybe maybe this is the start of a revaluation process.
But to Kimmy's point, it's one year until we see it, two, three, four,
five years in a row. Then and only then can
we say yes, this was the beginning of something different.
NFL Total Access to podcast Andrew Lady with Kimmy Checks.
(15:20):
I have a couple of Giants questions for you, which
is what you always do when you get a Kansas
City Chiefs fans in the chair. Now, that's a beautiful
thing about Kimmy. She's well versed on all these teams.
Let's talk about Barkley out leaves in my estimation, and
I'm sure you would agree it's kind of obvious. Daniel Jones,
feeling totally exposed. NFL insider Mike Garrifola said that based
on the scuttle butt out of Giants facility, there is
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a he said, what a seventy six point five percent chance,
But the Giants draft a quarterback in April's draft. We
will let him explain his arithmetic. But here's the question.
Is Daniel Jones done in a Giants uniform?
Speaker 2 (15:54):
Will he suit up this year this season in some capacity.
Speaker 1 (15:58):
You so he's not out the door pre draft, preseason, No, No,
he stays on the roster.
Speaker 2 (16:05):
I think he fights for a spot.
Speaker 1 (16:06):
Yes.
Speaker 2 (16:07):
Do I think the Giants have the ability to currently
at six choose a quarterback.
Speaker 1 (16:13):
Absolutely looks like JJ McCarthy would probably be there. Okay,
And if you wanted to make a move, are you
getting into the top two? Not against the team with
the number one of.
Speaker 2 (16:22):
The change, not against not against the Commanders.
Speaker 1 (16:25):
Or maybe the Patriots at three, maybe a Cardinal scene
that doesn't necessarily theoretically need a quarterback at four? Who knows,
but if the Giants are going to do something, they'd
have to make a move for somebody, or you saw
JJ McCarthy out there at the.
Speaker 2 (16:39):
Maybe looks right. I think he helped his draft stock
one hundred percent. I think people are a little bit
higher on him right than they were, you know, coming
out of the National Championship game in his collegiate career.
Regardless of if they do select a quarterback in the
first round, or if they do select a quarterback in
this draft class period. Outside of c. J. Stroud, who
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was an amazing enigma last he was a joy has
been impressive outset that you do not need to rush
to start a quarterback. Okay, but we do not need
to rush to start a quarterback. Hey, you don't in
the draft, Becau.
Speaker 1 (17:13):
Couldn't you say that you've heard what I've heard, which
is that the word out of Giants facility is that
they are done with We've We've heard all these different
versions of we're done with this guy. The Daniel Jones
experiment is over, which is a strange thing to say
after you signed to a four year, one hundred and
sixty million dollars deal. But of course, four years, one
hundred and sixty million, with all the versatility that the
team has in that contract, is oddly, almost instantly an
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affordable quarterback contract. So to Kimmy's point, don't be surprised
if Daniel Jones, yes does run out of the tunnel
a met life for the opening home game of the
season as a member of the New York Giants. Why
because well, who else you're going to get? Are you
going to unload him and then rely on your ability
to transform at JJ McCarthy in too something ready Week one?
Hell no, that's not how the league works, is it? No?
Speaker 2 (17:56):
But I also think there's there's something to note that
Brian da Ball, Joe Shane want to have their guy
in the building. Daniel Jones was not their guy.
Speaker 1 (18:04):
Yeah, there's something.
Speaker 2 (18:06):
To that that as a head coach and as a GM,
you want to bring in your guy and take credit
for his development of That was the guy that we
did our due diligence on, That was the guy that
we scouted. That is the guy that we developed. And
the best way to do that is to sometimes have
them sit.
Speaker 1 (18:21):
Yeah, everybody's on the hot seat in the NFC East
if you're not performing a year in year out. So yes,
Dave Ball is on the hot seat. Shane is too,
and they know that they've got to win and they've
got to win now. Drake may is drawing comparisons to
Josh Allen, And of course when we think Josh Allen,
we remember his pedigree, we remember his coaching tree. Brian
Daboll was his OC in Buffalo for his best year
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or two as we know it in Josh Allen's career.
Is Drake may Worth moving up to the top three.
You watched You didn't watch him out there because he
didn't compete, not the combat.
Speaker 2 (18:54):
However, I spoke to him such a such a sweet
yeap guy. He called me ma'am, which seems dumb. Dear listener,
I am young and vivacious, and I do not feel
as if I am a mam. But he called me ma'am,
and I thought it was sweeten and deary and beyond
just the mam of it all. He seemed like a
really great kid.
Speaker 1 (19:16):
You know, You've got us in the room in Indy
and we watched to some degree all of or some
portion of four days of scouting combine drills Thursday to Sunday.
I guess it was last week. Your one on one
with Caleb Williams is of particular interest to me, and
I'm going to ask you about that in a moment.
But the four days of the scouting combine you were there,
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some three hundred and nineteen participants, not all of them drilled,
of course, I see you, Drake May and Jayden Daniels
and Marvin Harrison, and yes, Caleb Williams, who made news,
as he does, the presumed number one overall pick when
he declined to throw and declined to have the traditional
medical kimmy, a decision the like that I like the
more I think about it, because and I was talking
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to Mike Yam about this. Tell me if you agree,
if you or in my medical records were released to
the public, we have a lawsuit on our hands. Oh absolutely, Okay. Now,
I realize that these are teams making large investments in
assets and they need to vet those assets. But I
think to Caleb's point, I feel an overarching message from
him in his camp, which is, if you're going to
invest in me, that's fine, Yes, you get my medical
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evaluation in my medical profile. But the rest of you
who don't have a chance to draft in the top
two or three, I'll be gone by the time you're
in consideration. No, there's two of me medical profile. That's
precisely what he said. There's not thirty two of me.
So kind I kind of respect his decision. Can you
make the introductions please and allow us to add a
page to the dossier of Caleb Williams. Tell me about
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your interview, your moment with him.
Speaker 2 (20:44):
Yeah, so I think you know, candidly, I didn't expect
much from him. I had just then he would be
on guard, on guard, right right, and not revealing, you know,
and I won't I won't fully you know, reveal names,
but you can easily go to NFL Plus or even
potentially NFL dot com to see the interviews that we
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did at the combine. There are some quarterbacks we did
not have interviews with because they declined prior to even
showing up that day, saying we do not want to
do it. So going into the combine, you know, I
think we've all heard a narrative that Caleb has ego,
or that it's calculated, or that he has a team,
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you know, meticulously telling him how to move through these.
Speaker 1 (21:28):
The sensation being that he's managed a bit.
Speaker 2 (21:30):
He is right, that was the assumption. Okay, So I
go into the days of quarterbacks, running back, some wide receivers.
It's the longest day of the combine, and in my head,
I'm like, I gotta drill out all of these interviews
with these guys, and my entire intention the week of
the combine I don't give a shit about football. Yeah,
I don't want to ask about football. I don't want
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to ask you about the x's and o's. We can
look at a cute highlight of yours from college, or
you know, if you have a huge day, let's talk
about your forty money to look at it interview and say, wow,
I like that guy. So our incredible team at NFL,
led by Katchian Smith, who's brilliant, dug into the research
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of Caleb Williams and they found out that he loves
sour candy, which seems dumb and playful.
Speaker 1 (22:18):
Random, right, like, okay, sour sour candy.
Speaker 2 (22:23):
Listen, you know mine's wine, it's you know, potato potato.
We all have our thing and we kind of had
this idea. You know, we can do the traditional interview.
We'll do the traditional interview, you know, ask him how
this week has been, have some fun a little bit.
Asked him about his dog, supas as an I believe
Superman Supa and is very excited. He teased that Supa
may be a part of the draft in some capacity
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or have an outfit of sorts.
Speaker 1 (22:47):
But we had an idea his dog out on stage.
Speaker 2 (22:49):
Listen, you want to talk about calculating no, I'm kidding
or manage I mean, shout out to the dog while
we're bringing dogs to the stage. But you know, we
wanted to have some fun. And then we said, when
we're done with that part, why don't we ask him
if he wants to do like a sour candy taste test.
So we bought all these ridiculous sour candies. I think
there were like five or six on the table. I said, Caleb, Hey,
you know, nice to meet you. He walks so far,
and I'm like, you know, Kimmy the NFL network, and
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you know, to my own credit and actually not my
own credit. You know, this is the very first touch
point I have with these players. So on top of
wanting the audience at home to feel as if they
care about these guys and they have a personality and hey,
I like this guy that could potentially be the franchise
franchise changer for my favorite team, I want these guys
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to know like, hey, I can disarm myself around this chick.
She's cool, she's young, she gets it. There's no aha,
gotcha moment. So you know, part of me feels a
bit silly being like, hey Caleb, I'm Kimmy. We're gonna
taste sour candy. And immediately he was so cool, And
immediately I was like, wait, why why why is there
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this conversation that he is this egotistical, calculated guy moving
through this old antiquated system. We could go on a
whole tangent of the NFL process.
Speaker 1 (24:07):
Well, why are we filter?
Speaker 2 (24:11):
Why are we besmirching this kid before he's even made it?
And I have the interview with you.
Speaker 1 (24:16):
You feel like the questions have been kind of like
rise to the level of besmirching his character, Like do
you feel like they really are what you do?
Speaker 2 (24:23):
I think it's disrespectful. And I understand the argument that
these teams are making a hefty investment into these young men,
But I look at the NFL through a completely different lens. Yes,
the NFL is built on the back of young, predominantly
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black men, Yes, facts, and these are the guys that
we idolize. So in the same vein in which we
rush to the NFL dot com to go to NFL
Shop and to buy their jerseys and to proudly wear
their names on our backs on Sundays and on come
Days and on Thursdays and on all the days that
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we play games, why in the hell do you feel
as if you're privileged enough to besmirch a twenty one
year old's character. Yeah, a twenty year old's character.
Speaker 1 (25:14):
It's a crazy thing, isn't It's crazy?
Speaker 2 (25:16):
I don't know on this period. It's crazy.
Speaker 1 (25:18):
What we start to see is we start to evaluate
players based on what they do on the field, and
if they especially for such a high intensity, sort of
high profile, high wattage event like the scouting combine, if
you are not performing, then the notion is that, well,
then we are left to talk about other choices you make,
and so we start to evaluate the choices you make,
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and we start to assume that we understand why you
make the choices you make. And I think that's where
we start to veer drastically and dramatically from what is accurate,
what is true. Yes, those things can be different. We
may be in the right ballpark, and yet it may
not be true, and we start to sort of create
narratives about play and it is entirely unfair. But I
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highly recommend that you do go listen and watch this.
It sounds like it sounds it sounds like a Late
Show moment, right, but it was you and Calle sour Candies,
and it was and it was so good because Kimmy,
you're I think the best in our biz create moments
that allow for authentic kind of selves to emerge because
people are like you said at the very beginning. They're
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often pretty guarded in media settings of any kind, but
Caleb was totally chill, go find it. He was really
he had kind of this wise beyond his years, but
still with the twinkle vibe for me, and for me,
that's a credit to your ability to draw that out
of people. But that was a Caleb Williams that I
can really really root for. And I am rooting for
all these young men, but I'm specifically rooting for Caleb
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now that I've seen a human moment that you created.
Speaker 2 (26:49):
So thank you for that, yeah, and thank you you
know in my head because in the moment, I don't
think you know what is good TV or what is
a good segment. I'm like, God, he was such a
good kid. But you know, I had a line of
twelve other prospects right after him, so it's kind of
a rinse and repeat, right, Hey, nice to meet you.
Please go take all the sour candies, in which a
little side note, he took all of the candy and
shared it with all of the guys in his in
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his group, and they're all like, you know, eating sour
gummy bears, which I'm sure all the scouts were like,
why have you given these guys candies sugar shots all
of them before the forty But he was so great
and for the first time during the combine, we saw
a human yes, and not a prospect, correct, But I
hope people do watch it and take away that, yeah,
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it's a dumb bit about eating sour candy, and you know,
it was insane and very sour to be very blunt,
and he was like totally a champ and like truly
does love the sour candy of it all. But it
made me say, this is not a football player. This
is a young, fun, cool guy who's just like all
of us, who likes things.
Speaker 1 (27:51):
When Gracie and I go out or if we meet people,
I tend to judge people on how they are they
nice to her? Right, like do they you know, Grace
is very specific, do they do they find a way
to connect with her? Are they willing to try to
find a way to connect with her? And I think
a lot of us do that in our family situations.
You sort of judge people on how they treat your crew, right,
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Gracey's my crew, and and so I felt that way
watching him out there, because I'm like all right, Caleb Williams,
You're about to be in a human moment with my girl.
That's my friend right there, that's right. How are you
going to be nice to her? Are you gonna what
are we gonna see? And he was working and he
was nice. And look, when you make these massive investments
of energy and of caring, of of concern and worry
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and all the rest, but yes, also ducats of money,
it's nice to know that there's a there's a human
being that you kind of like behind there, and it
seems like there is at least we saw a glimpse
of that week And Caleb Williams, mhmm. You are listening
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to NFL Total Access to the podcast Andrew Lavy with
Kimmy Checks. And the last topic is you International Women's
Day was this past friday? This is women's history. Yes,
if you'll allow this unmanageable scope that the question invites
women in the NFL, women in football, women in our world.
(29:24):
How are we doing? How can we do better?
Speaker 2 (29:26):
Better? We're doing better?
Speaker 1 (29:27):
Yeah?
Speaker 2 (29:28):
Do I think we're there?
Speaker 1 (29:29):
No? What does there look like?
Speaker 2 (29:31):
I don't know. I don't know if we've seen what
there is? Yeah, you know, there was a moment this
season actually this past season, and Mikeyam was the only
one who saw the moment and understood the moment. We
were in the studio shooting Total Access and there was
a group of visitors, corporate visitors in the building and
(29:53):
they popped in the studio for like fifteen minutes to
watch a segment or two of the show while they
were in town. They're visiting from out of town. I
honestly forget what their group was, but it's a group
of probably I don't know, fifteen people, men and women
amongst the group predominantly men. And we go to a
commercial break and we walk over and we say, hey, guys,
(30:15):
you know, I'm kidmy, Hey, I'm like yam, you know,
nice to meet you, and what are you guys here for?
And you know, any questions you have? And the very
first question that I was asked by one of the
guys in the group is do you actually like the NFL?
And I was so like dumbfounded, and my ego kind
of stepped in a little bit where I'm like, listen here, dude,
(30:38):
you just walked into my studio on a show in
which I co host on national television, where I've been
given a platform to talk about football, and you ask
me if I like football, and Yam, you know, immediately
in the tender, amazing gentle way that Yam does, was like,
that was really messed up. Ye are you okay? And
(30:59):
I was like, yeah, I'm fine. But I think that
is a.
Speaker 1 (31:02):
Behind that question, is the assumption that we're here for
a hosting gig, not because of the sport, right.
Speaker 2 (31:08):
And I think that's where we can do better, and
even just like disarming ourselves of those dumb questions and
that outdated notion that a woman can actually like football,
or actually know things about football, or actually have insights
to football that I would love to get rid of.
(31:29):
And I wanted to be such a such a such
a character to this guy. And you know, I gave
a very gentle answer of like, I've always loved football.
I grew up as a little kid in Kansas City.
Speaker 1 (31:40):
You know, I gave you thought, you know, I gave.
Speaker 2 (31:45):
I gave the whole Yeah, the whole spield. But that's
where I want to be better. But as a part
of your same question, a way in which we can
be better, we have to stop only talking about certain women.
Myself and I should not be the face of Women's
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History Month for the NFL in the grand scheme. I
am nothing, and I have no problem with that. There
are so many other women who do more than I do,
or who do less than I do, but deserve the
platform that I have. And I had a really interesting
moment at Super Bowl. Coincidentally enough, I was at the
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Commissioner's Friday Night party, Yes, which is a very beautiful party.
It's a party in which all thirty two teams and
owners are there, dignitaries, celebrities. It's a very I was
honored to be there, right and I was there with
my husband. And at this party are many, you know,
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business partners of the NFL from you know, social media
sites and partners all the way down to you know, Microsoft,
I mean, you name it. People are in the room.
It's probably two thousand people. And I saw a gentleman
who you know, works for one of these companies and
(33:11):
we've had you know, a friendship and you know, a
loose kind of cordial relationship over the last four or
five years. And he bought up a when he said
hello to my husband and I, he bought up an
upcoming trip, you know, later on this summer where they're
trying to kind of merge the sports world at can
at the Advertising Festival, and he's like, hey, we should
(33:35):
talk about you know, the festival and trying to get
you involved. And this is something that I saw pop
up pop up last year and I wanted to, you know,
be there. And I thought it was so smart that
we're bringing sports to the forefront of brands and of
marketing and of advertising, because if we've seen anything this
season with the Taylor Swift effect of it all, and
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you know, football is global in many ways, and we
should market this globally because of its impact. And he said, hey, yeah,
we should talk about this trip. And I stopped him
because he's in a position in which he can highlight
certain people because of the platform in which he works
for and the influence that he has. And I stopped
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him and said, hey, it's so good to see you.
I would love to talk about that trip. But what
I've realized is you only amplify who you want. So
I'm good and I think that is my call of
action to us this Woman's History month. Stop only amplifying
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the big names or the sexy names, or the people
who are your friends, because there are so many other
women who work just as hard, if not harder, than
I do. But it'd never been given the grace or
the opportunity or the privilege of my platform. And until
we tell those stories, I think we do a shit
job of celebrating women, of celebrating insert whatever history month
(35:07):
it is, right. So that's kind of my call, the
action of how to be better. It shouldn't be me
talking about Women's History Month. It shouldn't be me getting
the platform. I'm honored, But on those platforms, it's my
duty to call out where we should be better. And
we have to stop only amplifying those who get amplified
(35:30):
every single day.
Speaker 1 (35:32):
Widen your eyes, widen your scope, widen your brain, and
widen your heart for the stories that Kimmy Checks implores
us to look for. You cannot look for only that
which you see because we don't show you enough. Look
for more stories. There are countless more stories out there.
You are so wonderful to deflect the spotlight. But to
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whom much is given, much is expected, much is expected
of you. And you are perfectly cast for a role
in which much is expected of So thank you for that.
On a somewhat related tip. It's going to feel like
ridiculousness compared to the sublime that you've just given us.
What happens when Travis and Taylor break up? There's a
real question because the.
Speaker 2 (36:15):
Real eyes you said that, not me, but they're a
real deal.
Speaker 1 (36:19):
The eyes of so many young people, girls and young
women especially, who might normally not have paid as close
attention to us as they have recently. You touched on
it a moment ago. How can we keep their interest,
you know, when breakups happen? How can we ensure that
more young women? When you were a kid and you
fell in love with football, how can we attract more
(36:40):
Kimmy checks Nators? How can we attract more Kimberly Whites?
How do we get more of you and keep more
of you? Are we on the right track or are
there optics that need to change? I'm curious to know
your perspective. I don't.
Speaker 2 (36:52):
I mean, I think optically we could change so many
things always, but I think it's more simple than that.
Speaker 1 (36:58):
Do you like what they they being the young girl
out in America? Do you like what she is seeing
when she happens to want to watch the game with dad? Yes,
because there may be five or six Taylor Swift sidings.
Do you like what she's seeing when it's not Taylor
Swift up there on the screen.
Speaker 2 (37:14):
I think we can be better at who covers the game,
who tells the stories of the game. But the main
thing is tell the stories of the players. Take the
Taylor and Travis example. How many people also fell in
love with Jason Kelce this season. Philly loved him. Yeah,
offensive lineman loved him. He's evil legend right, But and
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you can argue because of the platform that the two
of them built together with their podcast New Heights, you
got to see their personalities beyond football. And I think
it is on every single franchise, plus the NFL itself,
to take the helmets off and tell the stories of
every single player we have in this league, because that's
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what makes people fall in love. If you're a little
girl and you're eating sour gummy bears and you watch
the combine with your dad and you say, hey, he
likes the candy, I like, I'm going to root for him.
It's not this complicated math equation of how to get
people to like the NFL or how to get people
to watch our games. It's rooting for people that you
(38:24):
care about.
Speaker 1 (38:26):
I love it.
Speaker 2 (38:27):
That's all. That's that's all we need so tell.
Speaker 1 (38:29):
At any one time listener, there are between sixteen hundred
and seventeen hundred and fifty active NFL players. It's not
a very big group. I mean, when you break it down,
you do the math, fifty three active players on a roster,
thirty two teams. There it is. It's not that many
stories to be told. And Kimmy, I think you're right.
I think the fact that you have called out with
regards to Women's History Month, and I really do appreciate
(38:52):
your honesty about that, and with regards to this, that
we are guilty of being reductive, of only focusing on
a couple of people, a couple of stories, stories that
are familiar, so we keep going back to the same story.
And yet I think we are savvier media consumers and
content consumers than ever before. My eye can take more material,
my brain can take more nuance, more context. I have
(39:14):
the capacity to hear more stories and to and to
fall in love with more players, to get to know
more players, yes, even on my team, And if I
get to know those players' chances are I get to
meet their moms and dads. I get to meet their wives,
their kids. I get to see more of women's history,
but player history, NFL history, child history being made under
(39:36):
our umbrella. I like the sound of that. I like
the feel of that.
Speaker 2 (39:39):
And guess what and I have I have a question
for you. And when that player that you learn about
from your team, yes during free agency.
Speaker 1 (39:47):
Goes to.
Speaker 2 (39:50):
You, No don't.
Speaker 1 (39:52):
I don't begrudge them. I say God, God, God speed,
John Glenn right, go your way, kid, And there you go.
And I hope to beat you on the day we
see you next, and I hope that you crush it
on all the other days in between.
Speaker 2 (40:02):
Listen, wait to put a bow.
Speaker 1 (40:06):
I want to thank today's special guest, Kimmy Checks, who
you can catch on NFL Network hosting NFL Total Access
the broadcast. You can catch her combine interviews. They're very
likely up on NFL plus MABNFL dot com too. Keep
an eye out for this person. She's special, you see
her on TV. I can't wait to see where she
goes next. Next up Brian Baldinger his pre draft off
(40:27):
season take the wisdom that only extravagant study can bring
it's a seriously cool thing to have access to Brian
Baldinger's brain. That's next time on NFL Total Access, the podcast,
plus we're going to have free agency news, pre draft news,
and we're going to get a Pro Day's update as well.
Till then, take care of you, take care of your
crew and shaffing now. NFL Total Access is a production
(40:52):
of the NFL and partnership with iHeartRadio. For more podcasts
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