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May 3, 2022 28 mins

The Tape Heads: Draft Season podcast wraps up the season with the top players and picks. Bob Wischusen and Greg Cosell discuss their favorite combinations of teams and players from the weekend.  Greg thinks the 2nd round starting with Logan Hall was very impressive.  George Pickens was Greg's highest rated WR and this Draft was deep at that position. The Chiefs aren't replacing Tyreek Hill, but Greg explains how Skyy Moore will fit with the team.  Onto the RB's, James Cook fits exactly what the Bills need and want.  Greg goes through the players and team combinations that he thinks will work out very well.  We wrap the season discussing Draft philosophies and how teams can still find talent in some undrafted players.

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Speaker 1 (00:03):
Tape Eds. It's a production of I Heart Media and
the NFL. It is Tapeds Draft Season. Bobo Schusen, longtime
radio boys of the Jets and of course ESPN College Football,
and Greg co Sell for the better part of four
plus decades breaking down the old twenty two at NFL Films,
and he has done yeoman's work getting set for this

draft that is now Gregg in the rear view mirror.
This is our last official episode of tape Heeds Draft
Season because we have spent the last couple of months
taking everyone up towards the draft, and you broke down
prospect after prospect and obviously very interesting to see how
it all came together this past weekend and now we
have a chance to look in the rear view mirror
for the first time. And again we're not the mock

draft podcast. We're not the podcast could go out there now, great,
how your team did? We don't know? Right, I mean
that that's the that's the tantalizing part of the draft.
It takes two, three and four years sometimes with these
players for us to truly know what they are going
to become. But I know there are guys that jumped
out at you based on your tape evaluation, because that's
how you judge these guys. You watch the tape the

same way that the g MS the coaches do, where
you think team's got tremendous value later in the draft
based on your evaluations. Let's start there. Give me a
couple of players, I mean maybe a handful that you
really when they came off the board, Say, after the
first round, you said to yourself, Oh, now that there's

a guy that you know, based on my evaluation, that
team got a really good player. I'm gonna start Bob
with the first pick in the second round. And that
was Logan Hall going to Tampa, the Houston defensive aligneman.
And he was someone I didn't know a ton about
when I started watching his tape, other than his name,
of course, and I really really liked his tape. Long athletic,

multi position all can play inside. That's probably where he'll
play the most in the NFL. I thought as a
three technique, he was the best three technique in this draft.
He was draft that after, I think by five or
six picks. Davante Wyatt from Georgia. I liked Logan Hall's
tape more than I like Davante Wyatt. So he was

one player whose tape I really like him. When he
went off the board with the first pick of the
second round, I thought to me, and again, all we
can do is you, as you sort of prefaced, is
I can only go by my tape study, not by
what others think or mock drafts. By my tape study.
Logan Hall was a really strong prospect, and I thought
that Tampa made a really good pick right there. How

about a couple of the pass rushers that were a
little bit later, like a name that I know that
you brought up. Obviously Karloftas came off the board a
little bit later. But Arnold Ebikete yes, that the Falcon's
got in the second round. I know that was a
player that you kind of grouped with some of those
top end pass rushers. You think is a really hot ceiling.
I do, I do. And the thing about Ebiketty to
me is he looks so much longer on film than

his height, but he has really long arms, and the
long arms give you leverage as a pass rusher, because
one of the things that's so important is a pass
rusher is you need to be able to keep your
lower body clean. You don't want your lower body tied
up with the offensive tackle because then you can't move.
So even though Ebiketty himself under six three, you would

love a pass rusher to be a tad taller in
an ideal world. But because he has long arms, he
is able to use that arm length to keep himself
clean and use the explosive traits that he has. And
ebic Ketty would not have surprised me if he was
a first round pick, but he wasn't. He went with
the thirty eight pick to the Falcons, and I think

for a team that really is lacking pass rush, to me,
that's a very very good pick. Some other guys that again,
as I dove deeper into the second to the third round,
very interested. And we talked about this a lot going
into the draft. Yeah, how would players coming off of
if not immediate at some point in their recent history,
big injuries, where would they go and a job going

to Baltimore as a pass rusher? You know, mid second
round you had George Pickens had a Georgia wide receiver
on your boarders, maybe the best wide receiver in this draft.
And he lasted all the way into the latter part
of the second round of Pittsburgh. So now that gives
a young weapon to their brand new quarterback. How how
about some of those guys. I'll give you two. We'll
start with Pickens. Now, I know for a fact from

talking to teams that some teams had Pickens as their
number one wide receiver. Uh. And I don't get into
character and personality because I don't do that. But I
know for a fact that that was a concern. But
there was no concern about pickens talent. And in fact,
the Steelers made two wide receiver picks with George Pickens
and Calvin Austin out of Memphis, and I thought those

were both outstanding picks. Pickens, to me, was the best
overall wide receiver prospect. You can certainly say Jamison Williams
has more juice without question. Uh, Jamison Williams is a
game changer. Pickens as an overall receiver, I thought he
had the best traits. And then another pick that may
have been surprising to some as we've moved back to

the defense is New Orleans with a forty nine pick.
Chose Alante Taylor from Tennessee, a player whose tape I
loved he's over six feet, he ran a sub four
four forty. He played outside corner at Tennessee. I think
he can do that in the league. I also think
you can move him inside to play the slot. He's
a player that whose tape I thought was really strong.

He's physical, he's competitive. I've seen a lot of people
in mock drafts say, well, he'll probably move to safety.
I didn't see him that way at all. I thought,
Bob he had all the traits of an outside corner
and as I said, could play slot as well. And
I think that New Orleans is looking for a corner
opposite Lattimore, an outside corner, and I think he's going

to get an opportunity there. The wide receivers before I
get to some other specific players, since you touched on
note of his obviously Pickens and the fact that you
had him rated so high in a their teams did
as well. But more wide angle lens on the wide receivers.
Not only were there nearly thirty wide receivers taken, but
how top heavy the draft was again at the wide
receiver position, and that juxtaposed with a year where I

mean normally we see a lot of wide receivers in
today's day and age taken high, right, Like, that's not
unusual in the NFL draft, but we have not seen
that in combination with the huge name wide receiver trades
that have been made. So you get Davante Adams and
Tyreek Hill and A. J. Brown and Hollywood Brown, these
guys changing teams to theoretically address a big wide receiver

need for other teams, and still close to thirty wide
receivers were drafted, and still they were flying off the
board of the first and second round. Yeah, And I
think that that Jamison Williams trade is really indicative of
the way the wide receiver position apparently is seen by
some maybe not every team, but when you tread twenty

picks up in the first round for a wide receiver. Again,
I can't remember every single draft, Bob, but I don't
recall that being done for a wide receiver, and it
was very top heavy with receivers. And I think there's
a sense, and I know I've spoken about this before,
but when I was at the scouting combine this year,
the mantra I heard from every single offensive coach was

explosive plays. Explosive plays, And I think that that played
out with the draft, the idea that we need receivers
to make explosive plays, and you look at what New
England did. Now, I I know that a lot of
people didn't necessarily think about Tae Kwon Thornton from Baylor,
a player you and I spoke about a number of
weeks ago that I really really liked in some ways.

I thought that he was similar to Chris Olave. Now,
this is a vertical receiver, very smooth, ran a four
to eight. There's not a lot of guys that run
four to eight forties as we know, and he played
with some physicality and competitiveness, and I think New England
is obviously a team that's looking for explosiveness on the outside.
As you know, being in the same division doing the Jets,

New England has no explosiveness on the edge, and so
they're looking for that. And to me, Tae Kwon Thornton
was not a reach based on my tape study. So
that's the only way I can judge it and evaluate it.
But I thought that was a really strong pick given
the kind of receiver he is and a couple of
other guys that wide receiver taken right in that area

of the draft, because not only did Taekwon Thornton go
eighteenth in the second round of the Patriots two picks later,
George Pickens just talked about him to the Steelers, but
a couple of receivers right after that that are very
different players from one another, but could become very valuable
weapons to their two respective teams. I know you loved
Alec Pierce from Cincinnati and the Colts got him with

the twenty first pick to the second round, and then
sky More, you know, from Western Michigan to the Chiefs.
I don't know if he can be the Tyreek Kill
or apparent, but I mean obviously they think that put
him on a team with Patrick Holmes and Andy Reid
and that group scheming up for him, that he could
be a really good NFL player. Well, I think with
sky More, Look, Tyreek Hill is a little bit of
a freak, so we don't want to say anybody as

Tyreek Hill, but I think the Chiefs are looking at
sky Moore in terms of deployment. It's not the exact
same player, but the deployment can be the same. And
by that I mean line up slot outside, jet sweeps,
orbit reverses, those kinds of dimensions in your offense. Sky
Moore can give you that He's certainly not quite as

explosive as Tyreek Hill, because no one is, but it's
the deployment. And then you hit on Alec Pierce, a
player I was not the least bit surprised went in
the second round. I watched his tape and I thought
to myself, I don't see a big difference between Alec
Pierce and Drake London. So I thought Alec Pierce was
a really really good pick by Indianapolis with the fifty

third selection and a player in my view, based on
tape study, worthy of that spot in the draft. What
about the running backs the Jets getting Breeze Haul. We
talked about this a little bit with Charles Davis, who
was awesome yesterday, by the way, in our in our
second to last episode. But the fact that in this
day and age you can have a Breeze Hall of
Kenneth Walker, guys that are that talented, and a running

back not going until the early parts of the second round,
you know, and obviously Breece Hall showed an ability to
catch the ball a lot at Iowa State. Kenneth Walker
not as much um at Michigan State. But I have
to think this is part of that projection. Right Could
you take up a running back in today's day and
age in the NFL without a belief that he can

be a pass catcher. I think that's team in scheme specific, Bob,
because I think Breeze Hall, by the way, I think
there's receiving traits to be unleashed and unlocked. We saw
enough of it at Iowa State to know that he
can be a factor as a receiver. But ultimately, I
think you're drafting Breeze Hall to be a volume runner.
I don't think you're drafting Breece Hall to carry it

nine times a game and spread him out. Why. I
think you're drafting him to be a volume runner. And
as you know with the Jets, I think they now
see Michael Carter, which is probably what he is, as
more of that complimentary back because you can split him
out and he's got those explosive traits as a receiver.
I think when you talk about team and schemes specific,
you look at Seattle drafting Kenneth Walker at forty one.

We know what Pete Carroll wants to do. Now they
have a shod Penny and Kenneth Walker. They want to
run the ball. That's what they want their offense to be.
So they are looking for a back that can give
them volume and carries. Um. I think a really fascinating
pick to me again going back to team is James
Cook going in I think late in the second round

if I'm not mistaken, or was that very early in
the third. Now he was the thirty first pick of
the second round of the Bills, and I know you
loved him. There you go. James Cook is not a
volume back. Now, he's a terrific runner. He looks very
much like his older brother Dalvin in his running style.
But James Cook maybe the best receiving back in this draft.
And you can split him out widetached him from the formation.

He can run all the conventional routes when he's offset
in the backfield, but he can run vertical routes when
he's split. And we know, as you well know, same division.
We know what Buffalo does. It's a Josh Allen based offense.
They're not looking for a back to get twenty two
carries a week, but they do know they need a
run game and he can certainly give you that to

some degree. Um, obviously they still have Devin Singletary, but
James Cook is a back that fits exactly what the
Bill's offensive approach is, and I thought that was an
outstanding pick. That's Greg Coslam Babo shows and loves scrolling
through the draft looking for these guys that we spend
so much time over the last couple of months talking about,
especially the diamonds and the rough and then seeing where

they went and seeing which teams maybe got those diamonds
in the rough. We're gonna come back in a moment
and not only talk about more of those players, but
also spin it forward and talk about next year and
talk about the guys that you know, we think also
might have gone undrafted that Greg's has on his radar
where teams went out and after the draft was over,
grabbed some players that that could be big contributors on

their roster. And it's amazing how often an undrafted free
agent turns out to not only be a contributor, but
sometimes even a star in the NFL. So all of
that still to come on this final episode of tap
Peds Draft Season. On this final episode of Tapeds Draft Season,
Bobo Schusan and Greg co Sell back looking back now

at the NFL Draft and some of those diamonds of
the rough players that in the you know, after all
the headline makers come off the board in the first round.
If you're a real football junkie and you watched the
draft all the way through the weekend, it's certainly on
day two. Uh, some players that Greg co Sell I
know had circled, as he thinks, having a very high ceiling. Uh,

went to some very interesting spots. And Greg, we've been
running through a few of those players. James Cook was
a player we just talked about who went with pick
number thirty one right at the end of the second round,
running back to the Buffalo Bills. The last pick of
the second round, pick number thirty two, was Nick Benito,
edge rusher from Oklahoma. Denver got their hands on him.

Of course, you know, them moving on from their legendary
pass rusher, they're looking for an air apparent. Could he
be that guy? You know? And it's funny, Bob, because
I thought Nick Benito, And again, you know, I don't
get into where guys get drifted necessarily, because I know
teams place different values on different players, and reasonable people
can disagree, but I thought Nick Benito, when you talk

about edge rushers, I thought he was the loosest, liveliest,
maybe the bendyest edge rusher in this draft class. Now,
he came in a two forty eight at the Combine.
He looked thinner to me when I watched Oklahoma's tape,
and maybe he just has that kind of body type.
They used him in multiple ways at Oklahoma. I think

he's best served as an edge player, and maybe he's
just a situational edge player. But we know that teams
play in their sub package defenses more than they play
in their base and I really liked Nick Benito's tape,
and I think his game fits the NFL. He is
so fluid, he can bend, he's flexible. Just his transitions

has changed the direction, it's seamless. Another guy that I
don't know if you put him on that same level,
but another edge rusher that went middle of the third round,
Alex Right from U A. B to the Browns. That
was a guy that I know you had circled. Yeah,
Alex Right was a guy I watched later in the process,
smaller school guy from Alabama Birmingham six five to seventy

I think that this guy. And again, now you're projecting, obviously,
because there are some things when you watch his tape
you say, hey, that needs to improve. But of course
that's almost true of everybody, but it's certainly true once
you get to the third round players. But he also
showed flashes Bob where this guy looked to me like
with coaching, with experience, maybe he's not a factor year one,

you never know that, but that this is a player
given his size and his length and his movement ability. Um,
he almost looks lean at six five to seventy plus
that could end up being a very good pass rusher. Now,
the projection with players like this is a lot of
these guys line up as well in positions that you
probably won't see them in the NFL. For instance, Alec

Right Alex Wright played a lot of snaps inside not
necessarily a d tackle, but inside of the offensive tackle,
so he wasn't always lining up as an edge player,
and I would expect that he'd likely be an edge
player in the NFL A team that and look, we
don't give draft grades, right like, that's not what we
have ever been about with this podcast. Certainly didn't do

mock drafts, and we're not grading the draft after it's over.
But a team that I saw a lot of people
after the draft say, and it sounds crazy to say this,
considering who their coach, general manager, and overall star is,
what were the Patriots doing? The Patriots are confusing me, Like,
I don't see their philosophy in this draft. But like
you love Taekwon Thornton, who they got in the second round.

You like Marcus Jones who they got in the third round,
cornerback from Houston. So when you look at that Patriot
draft class, it seems to make a little bit more
sense to you than it did to other people. Well,
it's funny because we spoke, obviously to Charles Davis, and
he spoke about Jalen Petrie and he thought Jalen Petrie
had similar traits as someone like Taran Matthew, or let's
put it this way, that he could be used in

a similar fashion. I looked at Marcus Jones, who they
took in the third round with the pick from the
University of Houston. Now, at Houston, he played outside corner,
slat corner, and safety. Now at five eight, he's not
going to play outside corner in the NFL. But I
saw Marcus Jones much like Taran Matthew as I projected

him even more so than at Jalen Petrie. Marcus Jones,
I think could be that kind of player. Keep in
mind Turan Matthews five nine. He's an explosive athlete, much
more explosive than let's say, Jalen Petrie. Marcus Jones is
five of eight. That's not really a meaningful difference five
eight to five nine. And Marcus Jones is an explosive athlete.

And when I finished watching his tape, and I think
I watched six full games, and as I said, he
played outside, he played in the slot, and he played safety.
The name that came to my mind was to Arran Matthew.
I thought he could be used in that fashion. And
we know that Bill Belichick when it comes to defensive
players is a bit of an outside the box thinker,
because think how he he uses Adrian phillips Um. You

know this from being in the same division. You know
players who seemed to have roles that a lot of
teams would say, well, he can't quite fit into a
conventional role. But Bill Belichick finds a way to play
two players strengths and Marcus Jones to me will play
for New England, and I'm fascinating to see how he's deployed.
You know, I remember talking with Phil Savage about this.

Of course, ran the senior ball for a long time
general manager in the NFL. Now he's kind of a
quote unquote consultant or pro personnel with the Jets, but
he is really in the ear of Joe Douglas and
he has been a big part of the Jets evaluation process.
And he's told me that the mistake that a lot
of people make when they look at how we analyze

the draft as it goes again, as they've got that
big mock board, right and such and such team took
a guy in the second round, but we had a
late second round or third round grade on him, and
to not think about it in terms of each individual
pick as they come off the board, that guy in
a silo talent wise, but that you're drafting a team, right,

how did these pieces fit together? How do these pieces fit?
What your team needs, what you're coaching staff wants, what
your scheme calls for, and not just what's already on
your team. But then the thought process of like the
guys you've already drafted the guys you think you're going
to draft a little bit later, and you start to

think about that, either from the Patriots standpoint or any
other team standpoint, the philosophy behind some of these teams
and how they draft when you look at the final product,
not as you go where this guy falls on my
mock draft or where is it my top three hundred
or whatever, but how those pieces fit together and philosophically
how it's put together. It is a different lens to

look at a team's draft strategy through. It's a great point,
and I know that we've seen all through the years.
I remember when Scott Pioli was with the Patriots, the
line that was often used about the Patriots was we're
building a team, not a collection of individuals. And that
sounds like a very clichde statement, but you kind of
delved into it a little more, and I think what

teams are trying to do, and maybe sometimes people forget
this is teams are drafting through the lens of their team,
not through the lens of the whole league. Okay, now
they're they're aware of the league obviously, as we know
from when we had Rick spielman On and Mike Tannenbau.
We know that everybody tries to be aware and is
aware of what everybody else is doing. But any team,

they're trying to get better for their team. So if
their team feels they have a weakness at a given position,
and maybe that position is dime safety, but it's an
important position for that team because they play it a lot,
they're trying to get better at dime safety. So that's
the way teams approached the draft, and particularly as you
start moving into second, third, fourth, fifth round, where obviously

the players traits are not as good as players you
have rated in the first or second round. So you know,
I think people lose sight of that. They think, oh, well,
they didn't address that position. Well, they addressed the positions
they feel they need to address to improve their team.
Was there a team or two or a guy or
two looking through that lens that you liked as you

were watching the draft and you saw how teams were
approaching a philosophically that maybe I haven't touched on. Um.
Was there a team or two that jumped out at
you where after it was over you said, okay, like,
like I can see what they did. People might have
been confused about the first and second round, but let
look at their class as a whole. I can see
where they were going philosophically with how they approached this.
I think Seattle is a good example of that. And

I think maybe a lot of Seattle fans are very
unhappy that they didn't draft a quarterback. Uh, But I
think they have a philosophy that I think played out
in the draft. Now many could argue that the philosophy
doesn't matter because Drew lock is going to be the
starting quarterback and we'll have to wait and see on
that and where it goes. But I think you can

say whatever you want about Seattle. They have a belief
in how they want to play, and this draft just
played into that belief because I know when they got
to the second round and they had those back to
back picks, and everybody was I think probably expecting a
quarterback at picks forty and forty one, Bob, you know,
because it seemed like, hey, after picket, that's where you

take the next quarterback. You know, when they took the
defensive end and they took the running back, and then
the next pick I believe was an offensive tackle. Abraham
Lucas from Washington can state they told you in this
draft how they want to play. That can be debated
and people can say, well, it doesn't matter, as I said,
because Drew locks the quarterback. But they have a belief.

They have a philosophy that permeates the organization, and it's
probably very clear to everyone in the organization this is
how we're going to play. There will be no gray
areas there when we look now, not only at all
the players that were drafted before we wrap this up,
but I heard Mike Tannenbound say this the other day,
so I want to give him credit for it. I
may not be getting this exactly right, but the spirit

of it will be right. He talked about where Pro
bowlers come from, and the biggest volume of Pro Bowlers,
of course, come from the first and second round of
the draft, as you would expect. I mean, you're missing
sometimes on first and second rounders, but the players with
the highest end of talent, generally speaking, are going to
go in the first and second round. That's where the
biggest pool comes from. I think the next biggest pool

historically of Pro bowlers, believe it or not, is undrafted
free agents as that never even get picked, but are
very high in the team's radar. And one of the
craziest times of draft season. People probably don't realize this.
Right after the draft is over, teams are furiously on
the phone to every player that they had on their

board that didn't get drafted that they think as a
diamond in the rough. And you'll see a team will
bring in a dozen guys that didn't get drafted to
try and make their team. So, were there a handful
of players out there that didn't get drafted that that
you think, You know, that team went out there and
maybe grabbed a couple of guys that could help them.
That's always the case, and I try to follow those names,

you know, maybe because I'm in the Philadelphia area. I
saw the Eagles, which is a team that needs a
corner and outside corner opposite Darius Slay, who's obviously probably
a top five corner in the league, and they did
not draft a corner. And then in free agents that
they picked up, they picked up Josh Job from the
University of Alabama and they picked up Mario Goodrich from Clemson.

And those were two players who I did evaluate. And
while their were concerns obviously, or they would have been drafted,
but I thought they were eminently draftable, Bob. I think
that one or both of those players could make the
team and could legitimately have a chance to play opposite
Darius Slay. Now, maybe I'll be dead wrong, because obviously
they weren't drafted, so somewhere along the line, teams in

the NFL thought something was missing to the point that
they were not worthy of being drafted. But I thought
they were worthy of being drafted. And there's a lot
of players like that. I forget who signed this player,
but I thought there was a linebacker from Wisconsin named
Jack Sanborn, who again I understand why he wasn't drafted
because he's not a high high level athlete, but he's

a stacked backer and his tape was very, very good,
and I thought he was again worthy of being drafted.
And he's he would have to be a base defense
stacked backer. I understand that based on his tape, but
I really thought that his tape was very good for
what he is, and I was surprised he wasn't drafted.

As we talked about with Charles Davis on yesterday's episode,
you are like the definition of unwell, right, like, you're
just you're You're literally a football lunatic. I am. When
when does the process start for three draft? For you?
But have you already? Have you already started to put
a board together a prospect? Like for those who know
I'm crazy, this will come as no surprise, Bob. But

what will happen is this, I will I get five
weeks vacation here in NFL films, and since I'm not
going anywhere this summer, what will happen in those five
weeks is I will actually come into the office. Now,
I may not get in at five thirty like I
do now, but I will come into the office and
I will jump back and forth between watching college players

who will be in next year's draft, who are obviously
going to be in the draft, not guys who might be,
but guys who have to be. And I will then
also do that, and I will also look at specific
situational football for NFL teams to get ready for the
NFL season. So I will do both of that in
the five weeks of vacation that I actually have this summer.

Who else would spend their vacation any other way? Right?
I mean? Is there another way vacation. I didn't know.
Just watch more tape. I didn't know there was a vacation. Hey,
real quick before we say goodbye. Prognosticating towards next year.
If my team needs a quarterback next year, are we
gonna be back next year? You think to one of
those drafts where all we're gonna talk about at the

quarterback at the top of the first round. Again, I
would think, Um, my, guess is you're gonna be talking
about C. J. Stroud. Um, I get Bryce Young will
be in that conversation for sure. And then one name
to throw out, and I think if he has a
really good season, he'll be in that conversation. And that's
Will Levis from the University of Kentucky. And I'm sure
I'm missing somebody, but those are the three that immediately

jumped in my mind. All right, well, based on your
tape study and your use of vacation, we might as
well start doing this podcast again in like August, right
and take you right up until April and next year's draft,
because let as well take advantag to the fact that
you're run. Well, you know, we could start like mid July.
I'll be ready to go that's great, Cozelle. I'm Bobo
Shues and great, this was a blast. Had a great time,
you know, leading up to the draft and talking football

with you was awesome. Bob, I really love it. Thanks
so much. That is great, Cosll. I'm Babo Shusan. Thank
you so much for rating and subscribing and listening all
the way through. Hope you enjoyed it and hope you
were able to look a little bit smarter as a
football nerd to your friends during the draft from the
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