April 5, 2024 • 41 mins
Host Eric Allen is joined in the Audi Performance Studio by CBS Analyst/former Jets DL Leger Douzable in the latest installment of the NFL Draft Preview series.
1:30 - Haason Reddick's fit in the Jets defense
11:05 - The immediate needs for the Jets heading into the NFL Draft
17:10 - How J.J. McCarthy's draft status effects the Jets' draft board
20:55 - In0depth look at Joe Douglas' draft history
32:15 - How Joe Douglas' previous drafts can predict this year's strategy
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Speaker 1 (00:03):
Welcome to the Official Jets Podcast. Eric Allen here is
always at One Jets Drive. I shouldn't say as always,
because I was in Florida last week at the annual
league meetings, and I am joined by my guy Lejay Dusabal,
who is pretty much permanently in Florida. Now, does how
are you doing today?
Speaker 2 (00:21):
I'm good Eace. He got a little bit of tan.
Speaker 3 (00:22):
He was down in Orlando, you know, kicking it down
there with the owners, you know, getting those those much
needed interviews.
Speaker 1 (00:31):
Hey, hey, man, let me tell you something. The weather
here is atrocious. Okay, So I was very fortunate to
go there and work for a few days.
Speaker 2 (00:40):
I can't blame you.
Speaker 3 (00:41):
I've heard up there in New York and Jersey it's
been literally raining cats and dogs, they said, for the
last few days.
Speaker 1 (00:48):
Yeah, man. So this is our draft podcast. We're focusing
on the Jets in the twenty twenty four draft. With
that being said, there are a lot of things that
continue to happen this offseason that is going to impact
the New York Jets come April twenty fifth through April
twenty seventh in the motor City of Detroit. Your thoughts
(01:12):
on Joe Douglas making a trade with the Philadelphia Eagles
and acquiring Hassan Reddick.
Speaker 3 (01:19):
Where do I Begina, I mean to get a guy
of the quality of Hassan Reddick this late into free agency,
and even though it was via trade, I mean home
run for Joe Douglas and his staff. Now there was
question marks about a potential Jadavion Clowney signing. There was
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Shaq buried out there, and the Jets ended up missing
out on both of those guys, but it seemed like
the Jets were doing their due diligence and homework on
Hassan Redick and they felt like that was an option.
And again kudos to Jod for getting this done. With
Howie Roseman a GM for the Philadelphia Eagles, you lose
Bryce up who was your best edge rusher last year?
Speaker 2 (02:00):
Have sacks led this team?
Speaker 3 (02:02):
I think this was an under the radar, big need
for the Jets, Like if people weren't talking about this enough,
because when you look at the Jets, you always account
for them having a championship type defense, right ea. So
when you look at the roster you see Will McDonald
went in the first round last year, you think he
takes a big step.
Speaker 2 (02:19):
In the second year.
Speaker 3 (02:19):
You have Jermaine Johnson, who was a pro bowler last year,
you still have JFM, and you have Michael Clemens.
Speaker 2 (02:25):
Right, So you look at the roster, you're like, all right,
this is a need.
Speaker 3 (02:27):
But I don't know if it's a major need, but
it is a major need. When you look at Robert
Salah and how he wants this team to play, and
how he wants to have a number of pass rushers
just affecting the quarterback, and BOYD did they feel that need?
Speaker 2 (02:43):
EA?
Speaker 3 (02:44):
When you talk about Hassan Redick, besides him and Miles
Garrett are one of the two players in the NFL
in the last four years that have had double digit
sacks in four consecutive years. You talk about consistency, you
talk about being a closer and a finisher. You lost
one of your closer the finishers and Bryce uf and
boy did you answer the bell and getting another one
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and one of the best in the league not just
closing and finishing, but getting the ball off the quarterback.
Speaker 2 (03:10):
EA.
Speaker 3 (03:11):
I mean I remember vividly going to Instagram and Twitter
with a live video.
Speaker 2 (03:15):
I think I just finished the work. I had my
shirt office said rejoyce, detonation, Rejoyce. Joe d does it again.
Speaker 3 (03:23):
It gets one of the best finishers this late into
free agency again, home run Robert Salah and Joe Douglass
getting a sound Readick on board.
Speaker 1 (03:34):
So let's give Bryce Hoff a lot of credit. Let's
get this coaching staff a lot of credit in terms
of development. That's one thing that you always preach because
this guy went from a drafted free agent out of
Memphis to transforming his body to becoming an elite pass rusher.
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With that being said, this is no knock on Bryce
Huff and he cashed in. And I know you happy
about that as a former player. For guys to take.
Speaker 2 (04:03):
That run an undrafted guy, Yeah.
Speaker 1 (04:06):
Yes, yes so, But have the Jets upgraded at the
position considering you bring in a guy like Reddick, who
you just said, fifteen and a half sacks the last
four seasons, that's fourth in the National Football League. Also,
fifteen forced fumbles over that time, thirteen strip sacks over
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the course of that time as well. Both those numbers
lead the NFL. So when you look at the defensive
end position, haven't you upgraded as a whole?
Speaker 2 (04:37):
This is no slight to Bryce Off.
Speaker 3 (04:38):
Like you stated before asking this question, Bryce Soff is
a hell of a player. You know my affinity for
Bryce Soff going back to the twenty one season before
people didn't even know who he was, just watching film
and knowing what he could be and what he's developed into.
This is an upgrade for the New York Jets. And
I say that because when you look at what Hassan
Reddick has done, the consistency and what he done with
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and then you have to preface that by saying Bryce
Soff hasn't had as many opportunities as Bryce Off as well,
but the consistency that Hassan Redick has been able to
do this knowing that teams know that he's the closer
and a lot of times he is getting chipped and
still being able to get to the quarterback and affect them.
And how well he has been able to play the
run game as a slam sam linebacker, as an edge guy,
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being able to slip blocks and get.
Speaker 2 (05:24):
Tackles for loss.
Speaker 3 (05:25):
This is this is an upgrade because you're getting a
guy that you know and you've seen on film for
four consecutive years be dominant. Right with Bryce Soff, It's
more of a projection of what he could be when
he gets starter reps. Now there's a two years age gap,
which isn't massive in the NFL, but this is an
upgrade for the Jets. You're getting a Pro Bowl slash
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All Pro caliber type player to pair with a guy
who just went to his first Pro Bow in Jermaine Johnson.
And I say to this too, Ea, Yes, Joe Douglas
is happy, Yes, Robert Salad is happy. But you know
who is the happiest Williams, right, because now it's gonna
be extremely hard to double team him playing and play out. Now,
if I'm teams, I'm still stopping Q because everybody knows
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that interior pressure gets there faster than the outside pressure.
Speaker 2 (06:12):
So I'm still gonna double them.
Speaker 3 (06:14):
But the thing is, you have to think about if
you're gonna double him now with Jermaine Johnson on one
side and also Quinn Williams on the other, and now
you got JFM rushing on the inside. Man, When Robert
Salli visioned his defense, this was he envisioned. This was
the type of D line he wants. And I love
Hassan Reddick. When he had his first press conference with
the Jets, he says, people don't even know what's about
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to hit him, and I cannot wait to see this
defensive line feast.
Speaker 2 (06:40):
Uh.
Speaker 1 (06:40):
One of the fans tweeted the other day in my
notifications that was one of the most impressive introductory news
conferences that he had seen from a jet. I mean,
Hassan Riddick, he knocked it out of the park.
Speaker 2 (06:54):
He did.
Speaker 1 (06:55):
Not only is he an outstanding football player, man, he
is gonna be at all awesome culture fit and he
brings that postseason experience to this group as well.
Speaker 3 (07:05):
And not only that, I think people tend to forget
former walk on a Temple right.
Speaker 2 (07:09):
They had to get it the hard way.
Speaker 3 (07:11):
And everybody knows what's synonymous with temple Temple tough right.
Speaker 2 (07:14):
That's his mantras, his attitude.
Speaker 3 (07:16):
And when he got drafted to the Arizona Cardinals, they
kind of misused the skill set. They didn't know if
he was going to be an off the ball linebacker
and the edge guy, and it took him a little
while to get going well.
Speaker 2 (07:26):
He bought out and even after that, EA.
Speaker 3 (07:29):
Still had to sign a proven deal in Carolina before
actually getting paid. And then he went to Carolina double
digit sacks, then went to Philadelphia two years in a
row double digit sacks. So he's used to being that
guy even though he went high in the first round
that people have doubted and even now he probably feels
some disrespect because Philadelphia didn't want to give him an extension.
So you're coming. You got a guy kind of like
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how Aaron Rodgers was last year. It's going to come
in with a little pisson vinegar because people are doubting
who he is and what he can still do at
this level, even though he's twenty nine years or old. So,
like to your point and what the fans said in
your inbox, that was one of the most impressive press
conference introductory speeches I've seen. And I just love the
attitude and mentality that he's going to bring to this
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locker room.
Speaker 1 (08:13):
Yeah, and he does not worry in the least bit
about his contract situation where he's up at the end
of this year. Where he basically said, listen that all
is going to take care of itself. He said, I'm
excited for a new chapter, a new beginning. Yeah, go ahead,
(08:33):
And so I want, I want, I want to just
I just wanted to get your thoughts real quickly on
as far as what we've seen here in free agency,
and again this is all connected to the draft, is
a lot of one year deals or guys who are
going to expire at the end of the twenty twenty
four season. Reddick is included in that bunch, specifically with him.
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How do you envision this working out short term and
possible long term?
Speaker 3 (09:00):
Yeah, I'm pretty sure the Jets sold them on you
can play with Aaron. Rodgers have an opportunity to hit
the free agent market, kind of like they did with
Mike Williams.
Speaker 2 (09:08):
Right, you come in.
Speaker 3 (09:09):
Ball out hit the free agent market, because we kind
of talked about this off camera, EA, like with the
draft coming up and certain places on the team and rosters, like,
there has to be some pieces that are going to
be there for the next three or four years. You
stated it perfectly. There are so many deals signed in
free agency via the Jets that were all like one
year deals. Right, So you're gonna be in the same
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scenario next year and the Jets are in a all
in situation.
Speaker 2 (09:34):
But you still need to have longevity.
Speaker 3 (09:36):
For this team and consistency on this team by drafting
players that can develop after these players that have one
year deals move on, potentially move on, kind of like
we saw Bryce South leieve, they bring in Reddick, they
signed drafted Will McDonald. Those are the guys that have
to be the front and foundational pieces for this roster
going forward. The Quinn Williams, the Sauce Gardners, the Jermaine Johnson's,
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the AVTs.
Speaker 2 (09:59):
Like that's why, you know.
Speaker 3 (10:01):
It's always funny when you get into great spirited debates
with people on Twitter, and you know, I believe earlier
this all season we were talking about this in the
third round. Yeah, I said, the Jets kind of draft
the d tackle and people came at my net ea
and I was like, well, you realize this is before
free agency. I was like, you realize Quinn Williams is
the only dtacle under contract right and now when you
still look at it after next year, Quinn Williams will
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still be the only d tackle under contract. So eventually
you have to build foundational pieces that can grow together,
or developmental pieces that can grow together and not just
live in a ram of one year deals. Now it's
worked for the Jets at the de tackle position. It
seems like every d tackle that comes here has a
career year and then goes get paid somewhere else. So
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they've been I've been lucky and a little blessed when
it comes to that scenario. But you got to be
able to build through the draft and have foundational pieces
and build for the longevity of the franchise.
Speaker 1 (10:55):
Position groups dos heading into Detroit, where are the most
pressing needs right now? Immediate needs?
Speaker 3 (11:05):
I say there's probably three that I look at right
to me, it's the receiver position, O line, and then
I would say the safety position. I think the safety
position is one of the most pressing needs, if not
the most, when you look at what currently is on
a roster. I love the signing of Chuck Clark, was
going to be a starter last year, ends up going
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down and training camp with an injury. Unfortunately they were
able to bring him back. I think there's a missing
piece of this Ashton Davis has yet to sign. I
believe right it'll be interesting as time goes on and
the safety market kind of materializes as it is right now,
because Justin Simmons is another big name. Quandry Diggs another
big name that is still out there. I know Joe
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d has done a really good job of letting the
market kind of come to the Jets in regards to
signing players. He did that with Tyron Smith, did it
with Mike Williams, waited and was able to pull off
a great trade with a soign Reddick. I think he's
doing the same thing at the safety position. And people
have been up and down on the safety class. I
think it's a middle of the pack safety class. I
think there's some really good players. Cole Bishop is a
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guy that I've marked to the Jets in the third round,
a guy that can play in the box.
Speaker 2 (12:14):
Right away. We know Tony Adams is a guy that.
Speaker 3 (12:16):
Can play middlefield safety, but Bishop also gives you the
ability to cover tight ends one on one. He's a
really good blitzer and if you need him to, we
can play middle of the field safety as well.
Speaker 2 (12:26):
So I like Cold Bishop a lot.
Speaker 3 (12:27):
Potentially in the third round, depending on what the Jets
do going forward, does Ashton Davis come on? Do they
sign another guy like a Quandre Diggs or Justin Simmons,
Just depending on what the cap looks like going for
us forward.
Speaker 2 (12:39):
So I think safety is big.
Speaker 3 (12:41):
Also, we talked about development right and the offensive tackle.
Speaker 2 (12:46):
I think it's a need.
Speaker 3 (12:47):
I don't think it's as big a need as everybody
says it is, right, because when you look at this,
when you draft somebody in the third, fourth, fifth round, EA,
these are guys that have to eventually be spot starters
for you or develop into starters. Right, Max Mitchell and
Carter Warren in the fourth round, Like they have to
be part of this scenario if you want longevity. And
people will say, well, we saw Max Mitchell and they
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really struggled. But you got to understand the situation. He
was thrown into too, right, He wasn't supposed to play
his rooky year. Carter Warren Wentz wasn't supposed to play
his rooky year.
Speaker 2 (13:16):
Like.
Speaker 3 (13:16):
Those are the guys that you're hoping are like your
fourth tackle their first year, right, Like last year Max
Smison should have been the third tackle, right in his
second year. This year, Carter Warren should be the third
tackle as a swing guy. And you hope they continue
to develop where if you need him right, they can
come in and spot start and if they play well enough,
potentially turn into starters. So I love that Joe d
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has kind of addressed the depth when it comes to
the offensive line. Jake has Hansen, and then you also
look at west Schweister guys who have been spot starters
as well.
Speaker 2 (13:46):
I think you need one more piece.
Speaker 3 (13:49):
I'm not as high as everybody else and taking somebody
at number ten, I think you still need a playmaker
because even though you signed like Williams, he's on a
one year deal, and I know people will say the
same thing could be said for the offense tackles. Most
of our tackles are on one year deals. But at
least you have two valuable guys behind him that you
took in the fourth round and back to back drafts
red receiver.
Speaker 2 (14:08):
You don't have that, all right.
Speaker 1 (14:11):
We got a lot of things to get to, but
you just mentioned Williamson before we start talking about Joe
Douglas's draft history. Here there's a plug Williams prototypical X
coming off the ACL that he sustained in Week three
last year. The Jets have the benefit of having that
experience with Breece Hall. Now, Breece Hall might be a
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super superhuman man. I've never seen anything like that. He
seems like he might have different blood in the system
than everybody else. I don't know. He's just just an
incredible achievement what he did last year. But Mike, you know,
Mike Williams is going to be on a program. The
Jets are going to try to have him rare in
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to go by the time Week one hits. But he's
that prototypical, prototypical big X receiver who's averaged more than
fIF teen yards per catch throughout his career thirty one touchdowns.
When you say receiver and the draft, are you specifically
thinking X?
Speaker 2 (15:08):
Yeah?
Speaker 1 (15:08):
Are not necessarily?
Speaker 3 (15:09):
I mean it's so it's when you say that question
and asked, are you thinking about a specific like X,
because some people may consider Garrett Wilson in X.
Speaker 2 (15:18):
But he can move.
Speaker 3 (15:19):
Around, right, And I think depending on your skill set,
Like that's why I have bark Rael Macdoonsay to the
jest because he can be moved around. He played in
the slot, he played on the outside, and Mike Williams
is on a one year deal. Could he potentially when
Mike Williams leaves and free agency, Because that was the
selling point to him, Come play with Aaron Rodgers, show
that you're healthy, then you can hit the free agent
market again. You take Roma doons Ay, then you have
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somebody already ready to take over that spot when it leaves.
Speaker 2 (15:45):
And that's what I talked about.
Speaker 3 (15:47):
A teams that have success, right, they development guys, They
develop guys really well, and then one guy leaves, not
only do they get a compensatory pick back for him,
they have another guy ready to step up and play
in his stead, Like the Pittsburgh Chaillers have done it
for years, The Ravens have done it for year. The
Green Bay Packers are another team that has done it
that way for years. So when you say he could
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be a true X, like, yeah, people will say Roma
doon Day could be a true X. But if you
look at his route tree and the success of it
and where it's come from, it's been from the slot,
it's been from the outside.
Speaker 2 (16:18):
He can move around.
Speaker 3 (16:19):
I think it also frees up Garrett Wilson to play
a little bit more on the spot where we saw
him have a lot of success. So even though he
was the number ten overall pick and people say he's
a true X, he does a lot of his damage
in the slot as well, and it frees him up
to be able to move around in motion and be
in the slot. So I think it makes a lot
of sense to take Roma doon Day, not as a
traditional X even though he can be that, but just
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as another good playmaker. You just need playmakers on your
offense for your quarterback to have valuable receivers to throw
the ball to.
Speaker 1 (16:48):
Man, what do you make of the buds to JJ McCarthy,
because the reason why I bring him into this right
now a Jets podcast is No, I don't think the
Jets are taking but I do think there's a very
real scenario where this dude is going to go in
the top five, six, nine. So the way I felt
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when I was packing my bags in Orlando is that
we're definitely going to have four quarterbacks taken in the
top nine selections. So when you mentioned Rome Donz, I'm
thinking there really is a legit scenario that he is
on the board.
Speaker 3 (17:27):
There a touch yeah, And some people will say that
could there potentially be five quarterbacks taken in the top
ten because you know, teams get itchy when quarterbacks start
flying off the board. So we know the Las Vegas Raiders,
even though they signed Gardner Minshew, they could be in
need of a quarterback of the future for their franchise.
The Denver Broncos, the Minnesota Vikings have already done some
business to gain another first round pick. These are all
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teams that are in the teams. We're not even talking
about the first three teams that need quarterbacks. When you
look at Chicago, the Commanders, and then the New England Patriots.
So right there, there's six valuable teams could be moving
up or three teams moving up to potentially get quarterbacks.
So when you look at it and you talk about
JJ McCarthy, I'm not as bullish on him as a
lot of people are. It's just hard for me to
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take a quarterback in the top five, top ten, even
in the top twenty, who wasn't the focal point of
the offense right when you go back to Michigan and
again is at his fault.
Speaker 2 (18:21):
No, Jim Harball knows who he is.
Speaker 3 (18:24):
He knows what his team is and what his team
his team wants to be, and what he wants to
put on tape. They want to be a physical, running
the football team that plays a really good defense. It's
been like that since he was at the University of
San Diego. When he was at Stanford, it was like that.
Even though they did have Andrew Luck, I think he
had him for two years and then even when he
went to the San Francisco forty nine ers, that was
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how his team was based off of. It wasn't off
the quarterback play. It was off the offensive line, running
the football and playing defense. But it's just I'm hard pressed.
And again, the draft is all about potential and projection, right,
I think teams can sometimes get in trouble thinking that
they get out smart everybody and projecting what a guy
can be instead of actually looking at the tape and
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seeing what a guy is and seeing what his highest
ceiling truly is. Right now, Jajd McCarthy does have some
velocity when it comes to tight window throws. He's been
really good on third down, but again, he wasn't asked
to do much. Like it's just hard for me to
take somebody in the top five when I haven't seen
it consistently done on tape. But there's supposedly real buzz.
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Could this also be smoke screen season, because now all
of a sudden, the guy I've been really high on
is getting a lot of buzz. And Michael Pennix JUNR.
And you know, for mea he's been my quarterback three
since the beginning of time. So I just couldn't understand
if the medical cleared would just seem like I haven't
heard any red flags come out just off the tape alone.
He's quarterback three in this draft. Like he's the best
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deep ball thrower in football. He has a laser beam
as a left arm in a cannon, and I think
to me, he processes quicker than every other quarterback in
this draft. Now, he does need to work on some
of those touch passes in the middle of the field,
I would say in the ten to twenty yard range,
but nobody throws the ball better down down the field
and nobody processes better.
Speaker 2 (20:10):
And he proved that he could win.
Speaker 3 (20:11):
He left Indiana after being injured for multiple years, went
to Washington and the program has been good.
Speaker 2 (20:16):
But he took him to New Heights. Ea.
Speaker 3 (20:18):
He took them to the College Football Championship Game when
nobody had them probably being in the College Football Playoff
this year.
Speaker 1 (20:25):
So like again, exaccuracy is crazy, dude.
Speaker 2 (20:29):
It's out of control.
Speaker 1 (20:31):
And that combination and I know you love Rome, I
mean that combination. What's this the Paxton College football last year?
Speaker 2 (20:39):
I don't even think it's question.
Speaker 1 (20:40):
Yeah, I know, Jane Daniels and neighbors. But I would
have took Pennis in Rome. But you know whatever, you
can't go wrong with either one for sure as far
as just a lethal combination. Okay, let's get to Joe
Douglas's draft history. I would say the diamond, the diamond
in the raw out at all of them, would be
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Michael Carter, the second out of do in the fifth round.
Speaker 2 (21:06):
Correct.
Speaker 3 (21:07):
And when you look at it, and this is what
we were talking about earlier a little bit, EA yor
third four fifth round picks have to eventually be spot
starters or starters, and Michael Carter MC two as we
call him, but I don't think we have to do
that anymore since the other Michael Carter has moved on.
It's literally was a starter from the slot position in
day one, Like he earned that spot from day one,
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one of the best slot corners in the league. And
you would think, you know, this is the first year
he's eligible to get a deal. It'd be interesting to see,
you know what transpires with that, right because you got
him DJ and the Eings saw us. After next year,
they're all going to be up or available for new deals. Right, So,
like you talk about having the best secondary and the
best corner group in the league, there's some business that
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has to be done. So like with Michael Carter, he
saw them on Twitter excited when Kenny Moore got that
new deal because he knows that sets the standard for
the slot corner position and he knows the next guy
usually gets paid more and the way he's played, he
deserves to get paid.
Speaker 1 (22:09):
Man, that was a home run draft pick. Now, how
about that twenty two class? Does it have the potential
to be historic? When you're talking about Shaft Gardener for
Garrett Wilson at ten, you come back and get Jermaine
Johnson late in the first round, trade up, then you
trade up in the second round. Sneaky, sneaky move there,
very clever moving up with the Giants kid Priest Hall,
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and so you got those four at the top. But
then you're talking about death pieces down the line, maybe
the Michael Clemens of the world. You've talked about Mike
Max Mitchell here on this podcast. So I mean that draft.
Speaker 2 (22:46):
You forget one, forget one guy?
Speaker 1 (22:48):
Are we gonna go to the tight end?
Speaker 2 (22:50):
Okay? Position?
Speaker 1 (22:52):
You talk about it, Jeremy Rudgan, No, that's my guy.
Speaker 3 (22:55):
Man, I think he's a foundational piece on this team,
So you do.
Speaker 1 (23:00):
Okay, So talk to me about a class like that
and what it is right now and it's potential and
what it says about a GM, because I think when
we look at Joe Douglas, a lot of people are
saying putting unrealistic expectations as far as drafting expectations. I'm
not saying he's perfect, because nobody's perfect. Who drafts No,
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not at all. But you name me a GM over
the course of five years who has a class like that. Now,
a lot of people would come back to me and say, hey, listen,
you have to have a bad ball club and lose
a lot of games to be in position to be
where you're at to have a class like that. But
bottom line is, when you have a class like that,
that goes on your resume just as well as any
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kind of missed us EA.
Speaker 3 (23:47):
When the twenty two draft class helped happen, the first
thing I said out of my mouth was that was
a franchise definding draft class. Literally, like the first four
picks on my draft board, I said, I think Garrett
Wilson was my number two, but the rest of the
three Breis Hall, Jermaine Johnson, and Sauce Garner were all
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number one at their position and you got all four
of them like and again with the Garrett Wilson thing,
it muddled back and forth between him.
Speaker 2 (24:18):
I think it was Drake London. So it was like
one A, one B. Right.
Speaker 3 (24:22):
It wasn't like I had him as the receiver number
four or five, right, it was he was.
Speaker 2 (24:26):
He was up there.
Speaker 3 (24:28):
That was a franchise defining draft class. Like you can
say what you want about the Jets, you know, having
to struggle to have high draft picks like that, People
forget that that that Garrett Wilson pick was because Joe
Douglas made a great trade in trading away Jamal Adams
and getting picked form.
Speaker 2 (24:47):
So, like whether the Jets.
Speaker 3 (24:49):
Were good or not, that was a piece that he
traded away to gain an extra pick. And then what
people really don't know, not only did they trade back
to get Jermaine, they were trying to trade back in
the first to get Breese Saw but they were able
to get him in the second and not have to
give up as much draft capital. So that was a
franchise defining draft class. When you talk about hitting on
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all four of those first four picks and all four
of them being franchised foundational pieces.
Speaker 2 (25:17):
That is rare.
Speaker 3 (25:18):
Like again, when you talk about first round picks and
when they hit, I think it's like a fifty percent
hit rate in regard to them and more specifically at quarterback.
But for him to hit on all four going into
year three, when you talk about offensive riget year, defensive
rigget year, two time All Pro corner, a Pro Bowl
defensive end. Briest Hall was snubbed for being a Pro
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Bowl last year because I think he was second or.
Speaker 2 (25:40):
Third in the league in scrimmage yards. Like, it doesn't
get any better than that. That is a.
Speaker 3 (25:46):
Franchise defining draft class, so some respect needs to be
paid for what he does. And then when you look
at draft classes, yeah, you can't just look at the
first two years. I think Jerremany Ruker is going to
be a hell of a player down the road. I
still think Max Mitchell has an opportuned to be a
really good swing tackle.
Speaker 2 (26:01):
We see Michael Clemens be able to be a good
rotational piece.
Speaker 3 (26:04):
So like they even hit later on in the draft,
when you look at some of those draft picks, you
know Rucker was banged up, didn't play much as rookie year,
but we saw the development in him last year, and
now you would think would see even more and you
probably get a lot more playing time out of CJ.
Speaker 2 (26:20):
Juzama has moved on as well.
Speaker 1 (26:23):
And then you have to again, you're not absolving anybody
for missus here, but you do have to take into
account the fact that when you do have a change
in coaching staffs, there are different beliefs as far as
personnel is concerned and schemes. So automatically you're gonna have
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guys who might have fit last system, or maybe the
former coaching staff had one thought on something that are
gonna change when you bring in a new staff. Correct
and ultimately here the bottom line is, I know what
people are going to say with Joe is his first
round picks over the years. Mackai Beckton in twenty twenty,
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Zach Wilson twenty twenty one, Elijah Verra Tucker in twenty
one moved up for him. We talked about twenty two,
and then Will McDonald in twenty three. My argument, my
contention on twenty one and Zach Wilson was the Jets
were in a situation where I think you had to
take a quarterback. The bottom line was you had to
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take a quarterback. And now look at what has happened
with that class right now. Now I know the counter
on that, you don't have to take a Quarterack, Yeah,
I know the counter on that is, you don't have
to take a quarterback. But it would have been left
out of the league if they didn't take a quarterback
in twenty one.
Speaker 3 (27:47):
And for all those people that are talking on at crap,
they were just as high on Zach Wilson as I was.
Speaker 2 (27:52):
I was very high on Zach Wilson.
Speaker 3 (27:55):
There's a couple of things that go with that, right
It's sometimes the development isn't there. Sometimes you just things
that you saw on tape in college don't develop the
right way at the next level. And sometimes sometimes a
young man just has the mature too. Like there's a
lot that goes into it. When you go talk about
a pick in the top five, especially at the quarterback position,
and you stated a perfect Ea, just look at the
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rest of the class. There's still question marks about the
guy that went before Zack Wilson. So like you just
never know, Like justin Field is no longer with the Bears. Right,
if you look at mac Jones, he's no longer with
the New England Patriots, and Trey Lance is no longer
with the San Francisco forty nine ers. These were guys
that were picked right after Zach Wilson. So you just
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truly never know. And people were saying that twenty one
class could potentially be the best quarterback class that we
had seen in a decade. Right, So I think people
are so interesting underestimated that twenty class and how good
it really is. Now that is really one of the
best quarterback classes that we've seen in the last decade.
When you look at Herbert Joe Burrow hurts to a
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tongue of Bailoa like that was a ridiculous class, and
people going into that draft weren't talking about that class
being that special and end up being one of the
most special quarterback classes.
Speaker 2 (29:10):
So you just you really just truly never know ya.
Speaker 1 (29:15):
All Right, So, lastly, some of Douglas's in the Jots
recent drafting. You have high expectations for Joe Tipman. We
saw him be taken in the second round last year.
We talked about Carter Warren a righty, here is he
about a conda right now on the top. Charity's second
behind Brees Hall. He got some valuable playing times on
the show.
Speaker 2 (29:36):
Can we stop it right there?
Speaker 3 (29:37):
Because that's another thing people are killing me with the
we can't go into the season.
Speaker 2 (29:42):
What is he is the backup?
Speaker 3 (29:43):
I'm like, what, what have you actually seen on tape
that says you we can't Like when he got carries
late in the year, he was still averaging over four
yards of carry, So I'm like, what like people like,
we got to bring in a vet And I'm not
saying we don't need to bring in a vet, but again,
it's all about developing your young talent. You would be
going into his second year more comfortable in the offense,
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he would take a step because I know the biggest
thing for him was protection, and that usually hurts a
lot of young running backs. EA in regards to not
getting on the field, is knowing your protections, knowing when
the quarterback checks who you're supposed to block, and then
being able to physically block.
Speaker 2 (30:20):
People in the protection.
Speaker 3 (30:22):
So another year with the strength program, another year being
comfortable in the offense, you would think he would take
a step. I just thought it was hilarious that people
were like, we just we just can't go into the
year where in preseason everybody was on the Israel abandoned
Conda hype train.
Speaker 2 (30:36):
Now all of a sudden, it's.
Speaker 1 (30:39):
Crazy to me, that's a fair take, and a couple
guys that I'm gonna watch this summer pay close attention to.
I know the stars are obviously gonna get most of
the light, which they should, but the guys like Jared
Bernardo Converse, a six round pick out of LSU, guys
got some interesting athletic trade. And then you could say
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the same thing about Zach Kootz at the tight end position,
and just down the line here under Douglas's draft record,
Jamie Sherwood is a valuable piece on this roster. They
got him in the fifth round in twenty twenty one. Dudes, Yeah,
Brandon Ackles, he's going to be counted on even more
now with Bryce Hall going to Tampa and Justin Hardy
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from a special teams perspective signing with the Cleveland Browns,
so Accles is a big piece on this roster. A
special especially on special teams, is going to provide depth
there at the cornerback position where the Jets are loaded
right now. So have we learned anything about Joe from
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his past drafts that gives us insight on what's going
to happen ahead?
Speaker 3 (31:52):
I mean, one thing for sure, and we've talked about
this before, he is that he loves that trench work.
He loves the draft guys in the trenches. So when
you look at pick number ten, and that's been the conversation, right,
do you take another officive tackle that potentially is going
to be a development guy in a all end type year, which, again,
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you still need guys for the longevity of this franchise
to develop really well. And then we also know the
history of Tyrone Smith right and how he hasn't been
able to complete a whole season, I think in the
last four or five seasons. So taking a guy in
the top ten again, it doesn't necessarily mean that guy's
gonna be a home run pick right away. Right, there's
a development that needs to happen, even if you do
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take an off of the tackle where I feel like
taking a receiver is more of a sure bet.
Speaker 2 (32:39):
And I think Joe Douglas showed you.
Speaker 3 (32:41):
Two years ago he's not afraid to take a receiver
in the top ten because he took Garrett Wilson and
I was a home run pick. Right, So when you
look at Joe deed, he literally always wants to solidify
the offensive line of defensive line. It's gonna be a
little trigger this year just because the lack of picks
the Jets actually have. Now, does that mean they potentially
trade back because he's answered so many questions rea free
agency in regards to filling holes on his roster, it
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does give them the option to potentially trade back and
get more draft capital with that first pick at number ten,
So that is an option as well. But just knowing
Joe Douglas, he likes to make sure that he has
more than enough in regards to having depth in the
O line and D line. Right, those are two areas
he likes to really lock in. He's actually done a
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really good job at free agency. So this is going
to be, to me, a wildcard draft for Joe.
Speaker 2 (33:29):
Right.
Speaker 3 (33:30):
Could this be where he trades back? Could it be
where he takes receiver? People have talked about Brock Bowers.
I think positional value that's a little high at number
ten overall, even though he is a really good player
and an explosive player with the football in his hand.
Me and you have talked about EA. I love our
tight end group. I think it's a really good group.
I think it's a deep group, right, I think it
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goes four deep. I think you talked about Zach Koontz
is a guy that you want to watch. I think
Kenny Bows another guy you want to watch this summer.
I think he's developed really well. And you know, he
was banged up for most of the year, and I
think he came back and gave some good reps towards
the end of the back season last year.
Speaker 2 (34:05):
So this is this could be a wildcard, right.
Speaker 3 (34:08):
He could go receiver, honestly, or he could trade back
and game more draft capital. That way, he can get
a receiver and a official tackle in the first and
second round if if they're able to trade back, and.
Speaker 1 (34:18):
It makes sense, man, I like that. That's gonna be
a theme moving forward. The wildcard draft.
Speaker 3 (34:24):
Wildcard draft job, Douglas, you kind of knew where he
was going on. I don't think people in twenty two
expected sauce Gardner to go that high. But it was
a home run hit, right, and we knew that they
needed a receiver. And they were gonna take one pretty
high and they took one at ten. I would have
would have you know me, I wouldn't have been mad
if they took Jermaine at four at the time.
Speaker 2 (34:42):
They ended up getting them later.
Speaker 3 (34:44):
So like he answered every need that Jets had in
twenty two. Now he's in the scenario where the roster,
you know, on paper, and again the game is played
on the field, but on paper a lot of holes
have been filled. That's why I say it's kind of
a wildcard draft because there's so many ways he can
go at that number ten pick.
Speaker 1 (35:02):
We debated this dudes inside this very studio this week.
Can't you make the argument right now to your point
number one? I'm going to proface this statement, this question
by saying it's April. It's April third. Games aren't played
on paper, in fact, but top top, top to bottom.
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Can't you make the argument right now that the Jets
have the most talented roster and they have ceased?
Speaker 3 (35:30):
Yeah, if you're talking about on paper right now, and
then you would also have to preface that by saying
with everybody being.
Speaker 2 (35:35):
Healthy, right, because that's the yeah thing as well.
Speaker 3 (35:38):
I would say I don't even think it's a question
right now in regards to the top to bottom full roster,
because you saw Buffalo Bills have a mass exodus on
their roster this offseason. Now, a lot of those players
are getting older and their cap hits were extremely high.
But when you just look at the teams, I think
Miami is probably a close second.
Speaker 2 (35:57):
The only thing is I would say what you know
going into the season.
Speaker 3 (36:01):
I don't think a lot of people would say the
old line is a bigger issue right now in Miami
than it is for the Jets, just because Taron Armstead
and Tyers Smith.
Speaker 2 (36:10):
I would say, maybe.
Speaker 3 (36:11):
Cancel each other out because there's a question mark. Could
those guys actually make it through a whole season healthy?
But I asked Austin Jackson and Morgan Moses. I would
give the slight edge to Morgan right, and then Avt
if healthy. They lost Robert Hunt, I think he's better
than anybody they got in the inside. Avt went healthy, right,
and then Tipman as well. They did sign Aaron Brewer,
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but I think Tipman. I would give the edge for
development and also projection to Joe Timan a little bit
more too. So when you look at it and even
Buffalo who lost, like I said, lost a lot of pieces.
I think the slight edge has to go to the
Jets if everybody is healthy. Again, I will preface that
by saying, if everybody is actually healthy.
Speaker 1 (36:52):
A totally fair point. So let's do here. What do
you make of the landscape for Joe Douglas and the
Jets and Robert Salah in terms of windows? You are
a guy who is an analyst but also played between
those white lines. What do you make of the Jets
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being in a win now mode in how that impacts
the draft?
Speaker 2 (37:21):
Yeah?
Speaker 3 (37:21):
So ea for people that I don't know, like, and
players usually get a sense of it pretty early, like
when you're in a window where your team's really good
and you know it's only going to last three years max,
maybe four if you're lucky, depending on your quarterback. Right,
And we've heard Joe Burrow said, you know, as long
as I'm here, we're always our windows always open, right, So,
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like we got guys like Mahomes Like. People will throw
Josh Allen in that, But I honestly think the Buffalo
bills of mister window in regards to that's why you
saw that mass exodus of some of those veteran players.
Speaker 2 (37:54):
When you looked at their roster, I would say, going
back the last four.
Speaker 3 (37:57):
Years, they were in that window, like the last four years,
and I think they've surpassed that window now, Sam Fran
They're technically probably have like two more years just because
you're gonna once.
Speaker 2 (38:07):
You eventually played a quarterback. It's hard to stay in
that window. Right.
Speaker 3 (38:11):
They're gonna have to pay brock Party soon. Right now,
they can get away with paying all those Pro bowlers
because they don't have to pay quarterbacks. So when you
look at the Jets right with Aaron Rodgers age, and
then you look at Tyrone Smith and Morgan Moses and
their age, right, you would think like they Jets have
a two year window Bax right now to make a
significant run to the super Bowl. Now, that's why I
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always say development is so key.
Speaker 2 (38:33):
Right.
Speaker 3 (38:34):
And one of my mock drafts, I took a quarterback
in the fourth I took Michael Pratt because I thought
it was smart to be behind a guy like Tyrod
and Aaron Rodgers for two years learn and potentially turn
into a starter. Right, And if you don't like his development,
it's a fourth round pick. You still take a quarterback
two years later. You know what I'm saying. So, Like,
I think you have to keep throwing darts at the
quarterbacks just because you never know when you're gonna get
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a rock Party.
Speaker 2 (38:56):
You never know where you're gonna get a Tom Brady.
Speaker 3 (38:58):
Right, You just never know where you're a late round
draft pick or Dak Prescott is going to happen and
they develop well and become a future starter for you.
That's why you keep throwing darts at it. And that's
why I'm so I harp on, like, your development is
so key. Right, your third, fourth, fifth rounds, I say
one more time, Ea, your third, fourth, and fifth round
draft picks have to eventually be spot starters or turn
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into starters eventually. Right, That's how you have longevity and
consistency in this league. So when you look at this
landscape of this quote unquote two year run that the
Jets are technically in to try to win a championship game, Yes.
Speaker 2 (39:35):
You want to go all in.
Speaker 3 (39:36):
You want to bring some of those veteran pieces to
help you get over the top, but you can't forget
about the longevity and having consistency in this league.
Speaker 2 (39:43):
And that's why the draft is monumental.
Speaker 3 (39:45):
I said this earlier this year at EA that the
draft literally dictates how the NFL moves in free agency
and everything else, right, because we saw an influx of
running backs getting paid when people thought that that.
Speaker 2 (40:00):
Position wasn't getting paid anymore.
Speaker 3 (40:02):
And it's because this isn't a strong draft class at
the running back position. So that's why Saquan got upwards
to thirteen million dollars. That's why Josh Jacobs got upwards
to twelve million dollars. That's why DeAndre Swift got eight
million dollars, That's why Tony Poler got eight million dollars,
where before running backs weren't.
Speaker 2 (40:16):
Getting paid close to that.
Speaker 3 (40:18):
Right, That's why I say the NFL draft dictates what
happens in free agency. Adversely, this is a strong running
receiver group, right, and offensive tackle group. What happened in
free agency only like two receivers actually got crazy bags.
No officer tackles really got paid. Because the NFL draft
dictates what teams do, because teams understand, yes, you can
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bring in free agency, but you build through the draft.
That's how you have consistency.
Speaker 1 (40:47):
Well, I'll tell you what Joe Douglas says, navigated this
offseason today almost perfect.
Speaker 2 (40:57):
Remembera people were coming for his head in the beginning.
Speaker 1 (41:00):
Yeah, I know, I know. So that's that. That that
sets us up for an exciting weekend in Detroit, and
we're going to continue to prepare for that. Here on
the Draft podcast. That's Lejaydusable looking looking good down there
with the Jets Polo in Florida. We're hoping we're gonna
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bring the Polos back here up North soon. Man. Hey
enjoyed it, buddy, appreciate h
Welcome to the Official Jets Podcast. Eric Allen here is
always at One Jets Drive. I shouldn't say as always,
because I was in Florida last week at the annual
league meetings, and I am joined by my guy Lejay Dusabal,
who is pretty much permanently in Florida. Now, does how
are you doing today?
Speaker 2 (00:21):
I'm good Eace. He got a little bit of tan.
Speaker 3 (00:22):
He was down in Orlando, you know, kicking it down
there with the owners, you know, getting those those much
needed interviews.
Speaker 1 (00:31):
Hey, hey, man, let me tell you something. The weather
here is atrocious. Okay, So I was very fortunate to
go there and work for a few days.
Speaker 2 (00:40):
I can't blame you.
Speaker 3 (00:41):
I've heard up there in New York and Jersey it's
been literally raining cats and dogs, they said, for the
last few days.
Speaker 1 (00:48):
Yeah, man. So this is our draft podcast. We're focusing
on the Jets in the twenty twenty four draft. With
that being said, there are a lot of things that
continue to happen this offseason that is going to impact
the New York Jets come April twenty fifth through April
twenty seventh in the motor City of Detroit. Your thoughts
(01:12):
on Joe Douglas making a trade with the Philadelphia Eagles
and acquiring Hassan Reddick.
Speaker 3 (01:19):
Where do I Begina, I mean to get a guy
of the quality of Hassan Reddick this late into free agency,
and even though it was via trade, I mean home
run for Joe Douglas and his staff. Now there was
question marks about a potential Jadavion Clowney signing. There was
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Shaq buried out there, and the Jets ended up missing
out on both of those guys, but it seemed like
the Jets were doing their due diligence and homework on
Hassan Redick and they felt like that was an option.
And again kudos to Jod for getting this done. With
Howie Roseman a GM for the Philadelphia Eagles, you lose
Bryce up who was your best edge rusher last year?
Speaker 2 (02:00):
Have sacks led this team?
Speaker 3 (02:02):
I think this was an under the radar, big need
for the Jets, Like if people weren't talking about this enough,
because when you look at the Jets, you always account
for them having a championship type defense, right ea. So
when you look at the roster you see Will McDonald
went in the first round last year, you think he
takes a big step.
Speaker 2 (02:19):
In the second year.
Speaker 3 (02:19):
You have Jermaine Johnson, who was a pro bowler last year,
you still have JFM, and you have Michael Clemens.
Speaker 2 (02:25):
Right, So you look at the roster, you're like, all right,
this is a need.
Speaker 3 (02:27):
But I don't know if it's a major need, but
it is a major need. When you look at Robert
Salah and how he wants this team to play, and
how he wants to have a number of pass rushers
just affecting the quarterback, and BOYD did they feel that need?
Speaker 2 (02:43):
EA?
Speaker 3 (02:44):
When you talk about Hassan Redick, besides him and Miles
Garrett are one of the two players in the NFL
in the last four years that have had double digit
sacks in four consecutive years. You talk about consistency, you
talk about being a closer and a finisher. You lost
one of your closer the finishers and Bryce uf and
boy did you answer the bell and getting another one
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and one of the best in the league not just
closing and finishing, but getting the ball off the quarterback.
Speaker 2 (03:10):
EA.
Speaker 3 (03:11):
I mean I remember vividly going to Instagram and Twitter
with a live video.
Speaker 2 (03:15):
I think I just finished the work. I had my
shirt office said rejoyce, detonation, Rejoyce. Joe d does it again.
Speaker 3 (03:23):
It gets one of the best finishers this late into
free agency again, home run Robert Salah and Joe Douglass
getting a sound Readick on board.
Speaker 1 (03:34):
So let's give Bryce Hoff a lot of credit. Let's
get this coaching staff a lot of credit in terms
of development. That's one thing that you always preach because
this guy went from a drafted free agent out of
Memphis to transforming his body to becoming an elite pass rusher.
(03:54):
With that being said, this is no knock on Bryce
Huff and he cashed in. And I know you happy
about that as a former player. For guys to take.
Speaker 2 (04:03):
That run an undrafted guy, Yeah.
Speaker 1 (04:06):
Yes, yes so, But have the Jets upgraded at the
position considering you bring in a guy like Reddick, who
you just said, fifteen and a half sacks the last
four seasons, that's fourth in the National Football League. Also,
fifteen forced fumbles over that time, thirteen strip sacks over
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the course of that time as well. Both those numbers
lead the NFL. So when you look at the defensive
end position, haven't you upgraded as a whole?
Speaker 2 (04:37):
This is no slight to Bryce Off.
Speaker 3 (04:38):
Like you stated before asking this question, Bryce Soff is
a hell of a player. You know my affinity for
Bryce Soff going back to the twenty one season before
people didn't even know who he was, just watching film
and knowing what he could be and what he's developed into.
This is an upgrade for the New York Jets. And
I say that because when you look at what Hassan
Reddick has done, the consistency and what he done with
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and then you have to preface that by saying Bryce
Soff hasn't had as many opportunities as Bryce Off as well,
but the consistency that Hassan Redick has been able to
do this knowing that teams know that he's the closer
and a lot of times he is getting chipped and
still being able to get to the quarterback and affect them.
And how well he has been able to play the
run game as a slam sam linebacker, as an edge guy,
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being able to slip blocks and get.
Speaker 2 (05:24):
Tackles for loss.
Speaker 3 (05:25):
This is this is an upgrade because you're getting a
guy that you know and you've seen on film for
four consecutive years be dominant. Right with Bryce Soff, It's
more of a projection of what he could be when
he gets starter reps. Now there's a two years age gap,
which isn't massive in the NFL, but this is an
upgrade for the Jets. You're getting a Pro Bowl slash
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All Pro caliber type player to pair with a guy
who just went to his first Pro Bow in Jermaine Johnson.
And I say to this too, Ea, Yes, Joe Douglas
is happy, Yes, Robert Salad is happy. But you know
who is the happiest Williams, right, because now it's gonna
be extremely hard to double team him playing and play out. Now,
if I'm teams, I'm still stopping Q because everybody knows
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that interior pressure gets there faster than the outside pressure.
Speaker 2 (06:12):
So I'm still gonna double them.
Speaker 3 (06:14):
But the thing is, you have to think about if
you're gonna double him now with Jermaine Johnson on one
side and also Quinn Williams on the other, and now
you got JFM rushing on the inside. Man, When Robert
Salli visioned his defense, this was he envisioned. This was
the type of D line he wants. And I love
Hassan Reddick. When he had his first press conference with
the Jets, he says, people don't even know what's about
(06:35):
to hit him, and I cannot wait to see this
defensive line feast.
Speaker 2 (06:40):
Uh.
Speaker 1 (06:40):
One of the fans tweeted the other day in my
notifications that was one of the most impressive introductory news
conferences that he had seen from a jet. I mean,
Hassan Riddick, he knocked it out of the park.
Speaker 2 (06:54):
He did.
Speaker 1 (06:55):
Not only is he an outstanding football player, man, he
is gonna be at all awesome culture fit and he
brings that postseason experience to this group as well.
Speaker 3 (07:05):
And not only that, I think people tend to forget
former walk on a Temple right.
Speaker 2 (07:09):
They had to get it the hard way.
Speaker 3 (07:11):
And everybody knows what's synonymous with temple Temple tough right.
Speaker 2 (07:14):
That's his mantras, his attitude.
Speaker 3 (07:16):
And when he got drafted to the Arizona Cardinals, they
kind of misused the skill set. They didn't know if
he was going to be an off the ball linebacker
and the edge guy, and it took him a little
while to get going well.
Speaker 2 (07:26):
He bought out and even after that, EA.
Speaker 3 (07:29):
Still had to sign a proven deal in Carolina before
actually getting paid. And then he went to Carolina double
digit sacks, then went to Philadelphia two years in a
row double digit sacks. So he's used to being that
guy even though he went high in the first round
that people have doubted and even now he probably feels
some disrespect because Philadelphia didn't want to give him an extension.
So you're coming. You got a guy kind of like
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how Aaron Rodgers was last year. It's going to come
in with a little pisson vinegar because people are doubting
who he is and what he can still do at
this level, even though he's twenty nine years or old. So,
like to your point and what the fans said in
your inbox, that was one of the most impressive press
conference introductory speeches I've seen. And I just love the
attitude and mentality that he's going to bring to this
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locker room.
Speaker 1 (08:13):
Yeah, and he does not worry in the least bit
about his contract situation where he's up at the end
of this year. Where he basically said, listen that all
is going to take care of itself. He said, I'm
excited for a new chapter, a new beginning. Yeah, go ahead,
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And so I want, I want, I want to just
I just wanted to get your thoughts real quickly on
as far as what we've seen here in free agency,
and again this is all connected to the draft, is
a lot of one year deals or guys who are
going to expire at the end of the twenty twenty
four season. Reddick is included in that bunch, specifically with him.
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How do you envision this working out short term and
possible long term?
Speaker 3 (09:00):
Yeah, I'm pretty sure the Jets sold them on you
can play with Aaron. Rodgers have an opportunity to hit
the free agent market, kind of like they did with
Mike Williams.
Speaker 2 (09:08):
Right, you come in.
Speaker 3 (09:09):
Ball out hit the free agent market, because we kind
of talked about this off camera, EA, like with the
draft coming up and certain places on the team and rosters, like,
there has to be some pieces that are going to
be there for the next three or four years. You
stated it perfectly. There are so many deals signed in
free agency via the Jets that were all like one
year deals. Right, So you're gonna be in the same
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scenario next year and the Jets are in a all
in situation.
Speaker 2 (09:34):
But you still need to have longevity.
Speaker 3 (09:36):
For this team and consistency on this team by drafting
players that can develop after these players that have one
year deals move on, potentially move on, kind of like
we saw Bryce South leieve, they bring in Reddick, they
signed drafted Will McDonald. Those are the guys that have
to be the front and foundational pieces for this roster
going forward. The Quinn Williams, the Sauce Gardners, the Jermaine Johnson's,
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the AVTs.
Speaker 2 (09:59):
Like that's why, you know.
Speaker 3 (10:01):
It's always funny when you get into great spirited debates
with people on Twitter, and you know, I believe earlier
this all season we were talking about this in the
third round. Yeah, I said, the Jets kind of draft
the d tackle and people came at my net ea
and I was like, well, you realize this is before
free agency. I was like, you realize Quinn Williams is
the only dtacle under contract right and now when you
still look at it after next year, Quinn Williams will
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still be the only d tackle under contract. So eventually
you have to build foundational pieces that can grow together,
or developmental pieces that can grow together and not just
live in a ram of one year deals. Now it's
worked for the Jets at the de tackle position. It
seems like every d tackle that comes here has a
career year and then goes get paid somewhere else. So
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they've been I've been lucky and a little blessed when
it comes to that scenario. But you got to be
able to build through the draft and have foundational pieces
and build for the longevity of the franchise.
Speaker 1 (10:55):
Position groups dos heading into Detroit, where are the most
pressing needs right now? Immediate needs?
Speaker 3 (11:05):
I say there's probably three that I look at right
to me, it's the receiver position, O line, and then
I would say the safety position. I think the safety
position is one of the most pressing needs, if not
the most, when you look at what currently is on
a roster. I love the signing of Chuck Clark, was
going to be a starter last year, ends up going
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down and training camp with an injury. Unfortunately they were
able to bring him back. I think there's a missing
piece of this Ashton Davis has yet to sign. I
believe right it'll be interesting as time goes on and
the safety market kind of materializes as it is right now,
because Justin Simmons is another big name. Quandry Diggs another
big name that is still out there. I know Joe
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d has done a really good job of letting the
market kind of come to the Jets in regards to
signing players. He did that with Tyron Smith, did it
with Mike Williams, waited and was able to pull off
a great trade with a soign Reddick. I think he's
doing the same thing at the safety position. And people
have been up and down on the safety class. I
think it's a middle of the pack safety class. I
think there's some really good players. Cole Bishop is a
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guy that I've marked to the Jets in the third round,
a guy that can play in the box.
Speaker 2 (12:14):
Right away. We know Tony Adams is a guy that.
Speaker 3 (12:16):
Can play middlefield safety, but Bishop also gives you the
ability to cover tight ends one on one. He's a
really good blitzer and if you need him to, we
can play middle of the field safety as well.
Speaker 2 (12:26):
So I like Cold Bishop a lot.
Speaker 3 (12:27):
Potentially in the third round, depending on what the Jets
do going forward, does Ashton Davis come on? Do they
sign another guy like a Quandre Diggs or Justin Simmons,
Just depending on what the cap looks like going for
us forward.
Speaker 2 (12:39):
So I think safety is big.
Speaker 3 (12:41):
Also, we talked about development right and the offensive tackle.
Speaker 2 (12:46):
I think it's a need.
Speaker 3 (12:47):
I don't think it's as big a need as everybody
says it is, right, because when you look at this,
when you draft somebody in the third, fourth, fifth round, EA,
these are guys that have to eventually be spot starters
for you or develop into starters. Right, Max Mitchell and
Carter Warren in the fourth round, Like they have to
be part of this scenario if you want longevity. And
people will say, well, we saw Max Mitchell and they
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really struggled. But you got to understand the situation. He
was thrown into too, right, He wasn't supposed to play
his rooky year. Carter Warren Wentz wasn't supposed to play
his rooky year.
Speaker 2 (13:16):
Like.
Speaker 3 (13:16):
Those are the guys that you're hoping are like your
fourth tackle their first year, right, Like last year Max
Smison should have been the third tackle, right in his
second year. This year, Carter Warren should be the third
tackle as a swing guy. And you hope they continue
to develop where if you need him right, they can
come in and spot start and if they play well enough,
potentially turn into starters. So I love that Joe d
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has kind of addressed the depth when it comes to
the offensive line. Jake has Hansen, and then you also
look at west Schweister guys who have been spot starters
as well.
Speaker 2 (13:46):
I think you need one more piece.
Speaker 3 (13:49):
I'm not as high as everybody else and taking somebody
at number ten, I think you still need a playmaker
because even though you signed like Williams, he's on a
one year deal, and I know people will say the
same thing could be said for the offense tackles. Most
of our tackles are on one year deals. But at
least you have two valuable guys behind him that you
took in the fourth round and back to back drafts
red receiver.
Speaker 2 (14:08):
You don't have that, all right.
Speaker 1 (14:11):
We got a lot of things to get to, but
you just mentioned Williamson before we start talking about Joe
Douglas's draft history. Here there's a plug Williams prototypical X
coming off the ACL that he sustained in Week three
last year. The Jets have the benefit of having that
experience with Breece Hall. Now, Breece Hall might be a
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super superhuman man. I've never seen anything like that. He
seems like he might have different blood in the system
than everybody else. I don't know. He's just just an
incredible achievement what he did last year. But Mike, you know,
Mike Williams is going to be on a program. The
Jets are going to try to have him rare in
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to go by the time Week one hits. But he's
that prototypical, prototypical big X receiver who's averaged more than
fIF teen yards per catch throughout his career thirty one touchdowns.
When you say receiver and the draft, are you specifically
thinking X?
Speaker 2 (15:08):
Yeah?
Speaker 1 (15:08):
Are not necessarily?
Speaker 3 (15:09):
I mean it's so it's when you say that question
and asked, are you thinking about a specific like X,
because some people may consider Garrett Wilson in X.
Speaker 2 (15:18):
But he can move.
Speaker 3 (15:19):
Around, right, And I think depending on your skill set,
Like that's why I have bark Rael Macdoonsay to the
jest because he can be moved around. He played in
the slot, he played on the outside, and Mike Williams
is on a one year deal. Could he potentially when
Mike Williams leaves and free agency, Because that was the
selling point to him, Come play with Aaron Rodgers, show
that you're healthy, then you can hit the free agent
market again. You take Roma doons Ay, then you have
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somebody already ready to take over that spot when it leaves.
Speaker 2 (15:45):
And that's what I talked about.
Speaker 3 (15:47):
A teams that have success, right, they development guys, They
develop guys really well, and then one guy leaves, not
only do they get a compensatory pick back for him,
they have another guy ready to step up and play
in his stead, Like the Pittsburgh Chaillers have done it
for years, The Ravens have done it for year. The
Green Bay Packers are another team that has done it
that way for years. So when you say he could
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be a true X, like, yeah, people will say Roma
doon Day could be a true X. But if you
look at his route tree and the success of it
and where it's come from, it's been from the slot,
it's been from the outside.
Speaker 2 (16:18):
He can move around.
Speaker 3 (16:19):
I think it also frees up Garrett Wilson to play
a little bit more on the spot where we saw
him have a lot of success. So even though he
was the number ten overall pick and people say he's
a true X, he does a lot of his damage
in the slot as well, and it frees him up
to be able to move around in motion and be
in the slot. So I think it makes a lot
of sense to take Roma doon Day, not as a
traditional X even though he can be that, but just
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as another good playmaker. You just need playmakers on your
offense for your quarterback to have valuable receivers to throw
the ball to.
Speaker 1 (16:48):
Man, what do you make of the buds to JJ McCarthy,
because the reason why I bring him into this right
now a Jets podcast is No, I don't think the
Jets are taking but I do think there's a very
real scenario where this dude is going to go in
the top five, six, nine. So the way I felt
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when I was packing my bags in Orlando is that
we're definitely going to have four quarterbacks taken in the
top nine selections. So when you mentioned Rome Donz, I'm
thinking there really is a legit scenario that he is
on the board.
Speaker 3 (17:27):
There a touch yeah, And some people will say that
could there potentially be five quarterbacks taken in the top
ten because you know, teams get itchy when quarterbacks start
flying off the board. So we know the Las Vegas Raiders,
even though they signed Gardner Minshew, they could be in
need of a quarterback of the future for their franchise.
The Denver Broncos, the Minnesota Vikings have already done some
business to gain another first round pick. These are all
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teams that are in the teams. We're not even talking
about the first three teams that need quarterbacks. When you
look at Chicago, the Commanders, and then the New England Patriots.
So right there, there's six valuable teams could be moving
up or three teams moving up to potentially get quarterbacks.
So when you look at it and you talk about
JJ McCarthy, I'm not as bullish on him as a
lot of people are. It's just hard for me to
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take a quarterback in the top five, top ten, even
in the top twenty, who wasn't the focal point of
the offense right when you go back to Michigan and
again is at his fault.
Speaker 2 (18:21):
No, Jim Harball knows who he is.
Speaker 3 (18:24):
He knows what his team is and what his team
his team wants to be, and what he wants to
put on tape. They want to be a physical, running
the football team that plays a really good defense. It's
been like that since he was at the University of
San Diego. When he was at Stanford, it was like that.
Even though they did have Andrew Luck, I think he
had him for two years and then even when he
went to the San Francisco forty nine ers, that was
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how his team was based off of. It wasn't off
the quarterback play. It was off the offensive line, running
the football and playing defense. But it's just I'm hard pressed.
And again, the draft is all about potential and projection, right,
I think teams can sometimes get in trouble thinking that
they get out smart everybody and projecting what a guy
can be instead of actually looking at the tape and
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seeing what a guy is and seeing what his highest
ceiling truly is. Right now, Jajd McCarthy does have some
velocity when it comes to tight window throws. He's been
really good on third down, but again, he wasn't asked
to do much. Like it's just hard for me to
take somebody in the top five when I haven't seen
it consistently done on tape. But there's supposedly real buzz.
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Could this also be smoke screen season, because now all
of a sudden, the guy I've been really high on
is getting a lot of buzz. And Michael Pennix JUNR.
And you know, for mea he's been my quarterback three
since the beginning of time. So I just couldn't understand
if the medical cleared would just seem like I haven't
heard any red flags come out just off the tape alone.
He's quarterback three in this draft. Like he's the best
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deep ball thrower in football. He has a laser beam
as a left arm in a cannon, and I think
to me, he processes quicker than every other quarterback in
this draft. Now, he does need to work on some
of those touch passes in the middle of the field,
I would say in the ten to twenty yard range,
but nobody throws the ball better down down the field
and nobody processes better.
Speaker 2 (20:10):
And he proved that he could win.
Speaker 3 (20:11):
He left Indiana after being injured for multiple years, went
to Washington and the program has been good.
Speaker 2 (20:16):
But he took him to New Heights. Ea.
Speaker 3 (20:18):
He took them to the College Football Championship Game when
nobody had them probably being in the College Football Playoff
this year.
Speaker 1 (20:25):
So like again, exaccuracy is crazy, dude.
Speaker 2 (20:29):
It's out of control.
Speaker 1 (20:31):
And that combination and I know you love Rome, I
mean that combination. What's this the Paxton College football last year?
Speaker 2 (20:39):
I don't even think it's question.
Speaker 1 (20:40):
Yeah, I know, Jane Daniels and neighbors. But I would
have took Pennis in Rome. But you know whatever, you
can't go wrong with either one for sure as far
as just a lethal combination. Okay, let's get to Joe
Douglas's draft history. I would say the diamond, the diamond
in the raw out at all of them, would be
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Michael Carter, the second out of do in the fifth round.
Speaker 2 (21:06):
Correct.
Speaker 3 (21:07):
And when you look at it, and this is what
we were talking about earlier a little bit, EA yor
third four fifth round picks have to eventually be spot
starters or starters, and Michael Carter MC two as we
call him, but I don't think we have to do
that anymore since the other Michael Carter has moved on.
It's literally was a starter from the slot position in
day one, Like he earned that spot from day one,
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one of the best slot corners in the league. And
you would think, you know, this is the first year
he's eligible to get a deal. It'd be interesting to see,
you know what transpires with that, right because you got
him DJ and the Eings saw us. After next year,
they're all going to be up or available for new deals. Right, So,
like you talk about having the best secondary and the
best corner group in the league, there's some business that
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has to be done. So like with Michael Carter, he
saw them on Twitter excited when Kenny Moore got that
new deal because he knows that sets the standard for
the slot corner position and he knows the next guy
usually gets paid more and the way he's played, he
deserves to get paid.
Speaker 1 (22:09):
Man, that was a home run draft pick. Now, how
about that twenty two class? Does it have the potential
to be historic? When you're talking about Shaft Gardener for
Garrett Wilson at ten, you come back and get Jermaine
Johnson late in the first round, trade up, then you
trade up in the second round. Sneaky, sneaky move there,
very clever moving up with the Giants kid Priest Hall,
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and so you got those four at the top. But
then you're talking about death pieces down the line, maybe
the Michael Clemens of the world. You've talked about Mike
Max Mitchell here on this podcast. So I mean that draft.
Speaker 2 (22:46):
You forget one, forget one guy?
Speaker 1 (22:48):
Are we gonna go to the tight end?
Speaker 2 (22:50):
Okay? Position?
Speaker 1 (22:52):
You talk about it, Jeremy Rudgan, No, that's my guy.
Speaker 3 (22:55):
Man, I think he's a foundational piece on this team,
So you do.
Speaker 1 (23:00):
Okay, So talk to me about a class like that
and what it is right now and it's potential and
what it says about a GM, because I think when
we look at Joe Douglas, a lot of people are
saying putting unrealistic expectations as far as drafting expectations. I'm
not saying he's perfect, because nobody's perfect. Who drafts No,
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not at all. But you name me a GM over
the course of five years who has a class like that. Now,
a lot of people would come back to me and say, hey, listen,
you have to have a bad ball club and lose
a lot of games to be in position to be
where you're at to have a class like that. But
bottom line is, when you have a class like that,
that goes on your resume just as well as any
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kind of missed us EA.
Speaker 3 (23:47):
When the twenty two draft class helped happen, the first
thing I said out of my mouth was that was
a franchise definding draft class. Literally, like the first four
picks on my draft board, I said, I think Garrett
Wilson was my number two, but the rest of the
three Breis Hall, Jermaine Johnson, and Sauce Garner were all
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number one at their position and you got all four
of them like and again with the Garrett Wilson thing,
it muddled back and forth between him.
Speaker 2 (24:18):
I think it was Drake London. So it was like
one A, one B. Right.
Speaker 3 (24:22):
It wasn't like I had him as the receiver number
four or five, right, it was he was.
Speaker 2 (24:26):
He was up there.
Speaker 3 (24:28):
That was a franchise defining draft class. Like you can
say what you want about the Jets, you know, having
to struggle to have high draft picks like that, People
forget that that that Garrett Wilson pick was because Joe
Douglas made a great trade in trading away Jamal Adams
and getting picked form.
Speaker 2 (24:47):
So, like whether the Jets.
Speaker 3 (24:49):
Were good or not, that was a piece that he
traded away to gain an extra pick. And then what
people really don't know, not only did they trade back
to get Jermaine, they were trying to trade back in
the first to get Breese Saw but they were able
to get him in the second and not have to
give up as much draft capital. So that was a
franchise defining draft class. When you talk about hitting on
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all four of those first four picks and all four
of them being franchised foundational pieces.
Speaker 2 (25:17):
That is rare.
Speaker 3 (25:18):
Like again, when you talk about first round picks and
when they hit, I think it's like a fifty percent
hit rate in regard to them and more specifically at quarterback.
But for him to hit on all four going into
year three, when you talk about offensive riget year, defensive
rigget year, two time All Pro corner, a Pro Bowl
defensive end. Briest Hall was snubbed for being a Pro
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Bowl last year because I think he was second or.
Speaker 2 (25:40):
Third in the league in scrimmage yards. Like, it doesn't
get any better than that. That is a.
Speaker 3 (25:46):
Franchise defining draft class, so some respect needs to be
paid for what he does. And then when you look
at draft classes, yeah, you can't just look at the
first two years. I think Jerremany Ruker is going to
be a hell of a player down the road. I
still think Max Mitchell has an opportuned to be a
really good swing tackle.
Speaker 2 (26:01):
We see Michael Clemens be able to be a good
rotational piece.
Speaker 3 (26:04):
So like they even hit later on in the draft,
when you look at some of those draft picks, you
know Rucker was banged up, didn't play much as rookie year,
but we saw the development in him last year, and
now you would think would see even more and you
probably get a lot more playing time out of CJ.
Speaker 2 (26:20):
Juzama has moved on as well.
Speaker 1 (26:23):
And then you have to again, you're not absolving anybody
for missus here, but you do have to take into
account the fact that when you do have a change
in coaching staffs, there are different beliefs as far as
personnel is concerned and schemes. So automatically you're gonna have
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guys who might have fit last system, or maybe the
former coaching staff had one thought on something that are
gonna change when you bring in a new staff. Correct
and ultimately here the bottom line is, I know what
people are going to say with Joe is his first
round picks over the years. Mackai Beckton in twenty twenty,
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Zach Wilson twenty twenty one, Elijah Verra Tucker in twenty
one moved up for him. We talked about twenty two,
and then Will McDonald in twenty three. My argument, my
contention on twenty one and Zach Wilson was the Jets
were in a situation where I think you had to
take a quarterback. The bottom line was you had to
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take a quarterback. And now look at what has happened
with that class right now. Now I know the counter
on that, you don't have to take a Quarterack, Yeah,
I know the counter on that is, you don't have
to take a quarterback. But it would have been left
out of the league if they didn't take a quarterback
in twenty one.
Speaker 3 (27:47):
And for all those people that are talking on at crap,
they were just as high on Zach Wilson as I was.
Speaker 2 (27:52):
I was very high on Zach Wilson.
Speaker 3 (27:55):
There's a couple of things that go with that, right
It's sometimes the development isn't there. Sometimes you just things
that you saw on tape in college don't develop the
right way at the next level. And sometimes sometimes a
young man just has the mature too. Like there's a
lot that goes into it. When you go talk about
a pick in the top five, especially at the quarterback position,
and you stated a perfect Ea, just look at the
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rest of the class. There's still question marks about the
guy that went before Zack Wilson. So like you just
never know, Like justin Field is no longer with the Bears. Right,
if you look at mac Jones, he's no longer with
the New England Patriots, and Trey Lance is no longer
with the San Francisco forty nine ers. These were guys
that were picked right after Zach Wilson. So you just
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truly never know. And people were saying that twenty one
class could potentially be the best quarterback class that we
had seen in a decade. Right, So I think people
are so interesting underestimated that twenty class and how good
it really is. Now that is really one of the
best quarterback classes that we've seen in the last decade.
When you look at Herbert Joe Burrow hurts to a
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tongue of Bailoa like that was a ridiculous class, and
people going into that draft weren't talking about that class
being that special and end up being one of the
most special quarterback classes.
Speaker 2 (29:10):
So you just you really just truly never know ya.
Speaker 1 (29:15):
All Right, So, lastly, some of Douglas's in the Jots
recent drafting. You have high expectations for Joe Tipman. We
saw him be taken in the second round last year.
We talked about Carter Warren a righty, here is he
about a conda right now on the top. Charity's second
behind Brees Hall. He got some valuable playing times on
the show.
Speaker 2 (29:36):
Can we stop it right there?
Speaker 3 (29:37):
Because that's another thing people are killing me with the
we can't go into the season.
Speaker 2 (29:42):
What is he is the backup?
Speaker 3 (29:43):
I'm like, what, what have you actually seen on tape
that says you we can't Like when he got carries
late in the year, he was still averaging over four
yards of carry, So I'm like, what like people like,
we got to bring in a vet And I'm not
saying we don't need to bring in a vet, but again,
it's all about developing your young talent. You would be
going into his second year more comfortable in the offense,
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he would take a step because I know the biggest
thing for him was protection, and that usually hurts a
lot of young running backs. EA in regards to not
getting on the field, is knowing your protections, knowing when
the quarterback checks who you're supposed to block, and then
being able to physically block.
Speaker 2 (30:20):
People in the protection.
Speaker 3 (30:22):
So another year with the strength program, another year being
comfortable in the offense, you would think he would take
a step. I just thought it was hilarious that people
were like, we just we just can't go into the
year where in preseason everybody was on the Israel abandoned
Conda hype train.
Speaker 2 (30:36):
Now all of a sudden, it's.
Speaker 1 (30:39):
Crazy to me, that's a fair take, and a couple
guys that I'm gonna watch this summer pay close attention to.
I know the stars are obviously gonna get most of
the light, which they should, but the guys like Jared
Bernardo Converse, a six round pick out of LSU, guys
got some interesting athletic trade. And then you could say
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the same thing about Zach Kootz at the tight end position,
and just down the line here under Douglas's draft record,
Jamie Sherwood is a valuable piece on this roster. They
got him in the fifth round in twenty twenty one. Dudes, Yeah,
Brandon Ackles, he's going to be counted on even more
now with Bryce Hall going to Tampa and Justin Hardy
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from a special teams perspective signing with the Cleveland Browns,
so Accles is a big piece on this roster. A
special especially on special teams, is going to provide depth
there at the cornerback position where the Jets are loaded
right now. So have we learned anything about Joe from
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his past drafts that gives us insight on what's going
to happen ahead?
Speaker 3 (31:52):
I mean, one thing for sure, and we've talked about
this before, he is that he loves that trench work.
He loves the draft guys in the trenches. So when
you look at pick number ten, and that's been the conversation, right,
do you take another officive tackle that potentially is going
to be a development guy in a all end type year, which, again,
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you still need guys for the longevity of this franchise
to develop really well. And then we also know the
history of Tyrone Smith right and how he hasn't been
able to complete a whole season, I think in the
last four or five seasons. So taking a guy in
the top ten again, it doesn't necessarily mean that guy's
gonna be a home run pick right away. Right, there's
a development that needs to happen, even if you do
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take an off of the tackle where I feel like
taking a receiver is more of a sure bet.
Speaker 2 (32:39):
And I think Joe Douglas showed you.
Speaker 3 (32:41):
Two years ago he's not afraid to take a receiver
in the top ten because he took Garrett Wilson and
I was a home run pick. Right, So when you
look at Joe deed, he literally always wants to solidify
the offensive line of defensive line. It's gonna be a
little trigger this year just because the lack of picks
the Jets actually have. Now, does that mean they potentially
trade back because he's answered so many questions rea free
agency in regards to filling holes on his roster, it
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does give them the option to potentially trade back and
get more draft capital with that first pick at number ten,
So that is an option as well. But just knowing
Joe Douglas, he likes to make sure that he has
more than enough in regards to having depth in the
O line and D line. Right, those are two areas
he likes to really lock in. He's actually done a
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really good job at free agency. So this is going
to be, to me, a wildcard draft for Joe.
Speaker 2 (33:29):
Right.
Speaker 3 (33:30):
Could this be where he trades back? Could it be
where he takes receiver? People have talked about Brock Bowers.
I think positional value that's a little high at number
ten overall, even though he is a really good player
and an explosive player with the football in his hand.
Me and you have talked about EA. I love our
tight end group. I think it's a really good group.
I think it's a deep group, right, I think it
(33:50):
goes four deep. I think you talked about Zach Koontz
is a guy that you want to watch. I think
Kenny Bows another guy you want to watch this summer.
I think he's developed really well. And you know, he
was banged up for most of the year, and I
think he came back and gave some good reps towards
the end of the back season last year.
Speaker 2 (34:05):
So this is this could be a wildcard, right.
Speaker 3 (34:08):
He could go receiver, honestly, or he could trade back
and game more draft capital. That way, he can get
a receiver and a official tackle in the first and
second round if if they're able to trade back, and.
Speaker 1 (34:18):
It makes sense, man, I like that. That's gonna be
a theme moving forward. The wildcard draft.
Speaker 3 (34:24):
Wildcard draft job, Douglas, you kind of knew where he
was going on. I don't think people in twenty two
expected sauce Gardner to go that high. But it was
a home run hit, right, and we knew that they
needed a receiver. And they were gonna take one pretty
high and they took one at ten. I would have
would have you know me, I wouldn't have been mad
if they took Jermaine at four at the time.
Speaker 2 (34:42):
They ended up getting them later.
Speaker 3 (34:44):
So like he answered every need that Jets had in
twenty two. Now he's in the scenario where the roster,
you know, on paper, and again the game is played
on the field, but on paper a lot of holes
have been filled. That's why I say it's kind of
a wildcard draft because there's so many ways he can
go at that number ten pick.
Speaker 1 (35:02):
We debated this dudes inside this very studio this week.
Can't you make the argument right now to your point
number one? I'm going to proface this statement, this question
by saying it's April. It's April third. Games aren't played
on paper, in fact, but top top, top to bottom.
(35:24):
Can't you make the argument right now that the Jets
have the most talented roster and they have ceased?
Speaker 3 (35:30):
Yeah, if you're talking about on paper right now, and
then you would also have to preface that by saying
with everybody being.
Speaker 2 (35:35):
Healthy, right, because that's the yeah thing as well.
Speaker 3 (35:38):
I would say I don't even think it's a question
right now in regards to the top to bottom full roster,
because you saw Buffalo Bills have a mass exodus on
their roster this offseason. Now, a lot of those players
are getting older and their cap hits were extremely high.
But when you just look at the teams, I think
Miami is probably a close second.
Speaker 2 (35:57):
The only thing is I would say what you know
going into the season.
Speaker 3 (36:01):
I don't think a lot of people would say the
old line is a bigger issue right now in Miami
than it is for the Jets, just because Taron Armstead
and Tyers Smith.
Speaker 2 (36:10):
I would say, maybe.
Speaker 3 (36:11):
Cancel each other out because there's a question mark. Could
those guys actually make it through a whole season healthy?
But I asked Austin Jackson and Morgan Moses. I would
give the slight edge to Morgan right, and then Avt
if healthy. They lost Robert Hunt, I think he's better
than anybody they got in the inside. Avt went healthy, right,
and then Tipman as well. They did sign Aaron Brewer,
(36:31):
but I think Tipman. I would give the edge for
development and also projection to Joe Timan a little bit
more too. So when you look at it and even
Buffalo who lost, like I said, lost a lot of pieces.
I think the slight edge has to go to the
Jets if everybody is healthy. Again, I will preface that
by saying, if everybody is actually healthy.
Speaker 1 (36:52):
A totally fair point. So let's do here. What do
you make of the landscape for Joe Douglas and the
Jets and Robert Salah in terms of windows? You are
a guy who is an analyst but also played between
those white lines. What do you make of the Jets
(37:14):
being in a win now mode in how that impacts
the draft?
Speaker 2 (37:21):
Yeah?
Speaker 3 (37:21):
So ea for people that I don't know, like, and
players usually get a sense of it pretty early, like
when you're in a window where your team's really good
and you know it's only going to last three years max,
maybe four if you're lucky, depending on your quarterback. Right,
And we've heard Joe Burrow said, you know, as long
as I'm here, we're always our windows always open, right, So,
(37:42):
like we got guys like Mahomes Like. People will throw
Josh Allen in that, But I honestly think the Buffalo
bills of mister window in regards to that's why you
saw that mass exodus of some of those veteran players.
Speaker 2 (37:54):
When you looked at their roster, I would say, going
back the last four.
Speaker 3 (37:57):
Years, they were in that window, like the last four years,
and I think they've surpassed that window now, Sam Fran
They're technically probably have like two more years just because
you're gonna once.
Speaker 2 (38:07):
You eventually played a quarterback. It's hard to stay in
that window. Right.
Speaker 3 (38:11):
They're gonna have to pay brock Party soon. Right now,
they can get away with paying all those Pro bowlers
because they don't have to pay quarterbacks. So when you
look at the Jets right with Aaron Rodgers age, and
then you look at Tyrone Smith and Morgan Moses and
their age, right, you would think like they Jets have
a two year window Bax right now to make a
significant run to the super Bowl. Now, that's why I
(38:31):
always say development is so key.
Speaker 2 (38:33):
Right.
Speaker 3 (38:34):
And one of my mock drafts, I took a quarterback
in the fourth I took Michael Pratt because I thought
it was smart to be behind a guy like Tyrod
and Aaron Rodgers for two years learn and potentially turn
into a starter. Right, And if you don't like his development,
it's a fourth round pick. You still take a quarterback
two years later. You know what I'm saying. So, Like,
I think you have to keep throwing darts at the
quarterbacks just because you never know when you're gonna get
(38:56):
a rock Party.
Speaker 2 (38:56):
You never know where you're gonna get a Tom Brady.
Speaker 3 (38:58):
Right, You just never know where you're a late round
draft pick or Dak Prescott is going to happen and
they develop well and become a future starter for you.
That's why you keep throwing darts at it. And that's
why I'm so I harp on, like, your development is
so key. Right, your third, fourth, fifth rounds, I say
one more time, Ea, your third, fourth, and fifth round
draft picks have to eventually be spot starters or turn
(39:20):
into starters eventually. Right, That's how you have longevity and
consistency in this league. So when you look at this
landscape of this quote unquote two year run that the
Jets are technically in to try to win a championship game, Yes.
Speaker 2 (39:35):
You want to go all in.
Speaker 3 (39:36):
You want to bring some of those veteran pieces to
help you get over the top, but you can't forget
about the longevity and having consistency in this league.
Speaker 2 (39:43):
And that's why the draft is monumental.
Speaker 3 (39:45):
I said this earlier this year at EA that the
draft literally dictates how the NFL moves in free agency
and everything else, right, because we saw an influx of
running backs getting paid when people thought that that.
Speaker 2 (40:00):
Position wasn't getting paid anymore.
Speaker 3 (40:02):
And it's because this isn't a strong draft class at
the running back position. So that's why Saquan got upwards
to thirteen million dollars. That's why Josh Jacobs got upwards
to twelve million dollars. That's why DeAndre Swift got eight
million dollars, That's why Tony Poler got eight million dollars,
where before running backs weren't.
Speaker 2 (40:16):
Getting paid close to that.
Speaker 3 (40:18):
Right, That's why I say the NFL draft dictates what
happens in free agency. Adversely, this is a strong running
receiver group, right, and offensive tackle group. What happened in
free agency only like two receivers actually got crazy bags.
No officer tackles really got paid. Because the NFL draft
dictates what teams do, because teams understand, yes, you can
(40:40):
bring in free agency, but you build through the draft.
That's how you have consistency.
Speaker 1 (40:47):
Well, I'll tell you what Joe Douglas says, navigated this
offseason today almost perfect.
Speaker 2 (40:57):
Remembera people were coming for his head in the beginning.
Speaker 1 (41:00):
Yeah, I know, I know. So that's that. That that
sets us up for an exciting weekend in Detroit, and
we're going to continue to prepare for that. Here on
the Draft podcast. That's Lejaydusable looking looking good down there
with the Jets Polo in Florida. We're hoping we're gonna
(41:21):
bring the Polos back here up North soon. Man. Hey
enjoyed it, buddy, appreciate h
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