November 14, 2025 • 18 mins
Broadcasting legend, Purdue alum, and NFL veteran quarterback Gary Danielson joins the show to discuss all things college football. Hosted by Simplecast, an AdsWizz company. See https://pcm.adswizz.com for information about our collection and use of personal data for advertising.
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
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Speaker 2 (00:30):
So I hurt my hip at the gym and ended
up at PHI Urgent Care. They really took care of me.
They referred me to one of their physios and while
working on my core, the physiognotised I was walking a
little oddly, so she refers me to a Vhi but
diiatrist and he was able to help me correct my gait.
So yeah, it was. It was really great how Vhi
was able to connect all the dots.
Speaker 3 (00:54):
Vhi, because your health means everything.
Speaker 1 (01:05):
I think the word great is overused in sports period.
I think we use it as a way to describe
somebody when we sometimes struggle with that. I don't use
it lightly in this case. I think Gary Danielson is
great at what he does. I wish he would continue
to do it. I think he is iconic, and I
mean that. I don't say that because he's here. I
(01:26):
think he's an icon in the world of college football
and football in general. Analyst work. He is the measuring stick.
And he joins us here on exes and Bros. Unfortunately
it's his last year. We wish we could talk him
out of it, but he will be in East Lancing
this weekend for Michigan State and Penn State, and he
joins us here on Exison Bros. On a Feris Coffee Friday, Gary,
(01:47):
Hope you're well. Hope you and your family are doing great.
How do you feel when people say you've accomplished him
aful lot in your career. You know, he led the
Big Tent passer rating and and he did you know,
completion and touchdown passes at one point eleven years in
the NFL. But you are best known as the best
analyst in college football perhaps history. I would say, how
(02:08):
do you feel about that?
Speaker 5 (02:12):
It's been a lot of fun. I mean I really
kind of never saw this part coming, to tell of
the truth, and I don't want to stumble all over
your introduction. But I just got a call about an
hour ago from the son of Newberry, the husband of
Babbie Rubik, one of the great Northwood volleyball players of
(02:35):
all time, the father of Samantha Ryan Drew Olivia of
Grand Valley State, my tight end, Rob Rubick. You actually
pushed Rob Rubick back for me to come on at
this time spot and he was very upset about this.
Do you know that, don't you?
Speaker 1 (02:54):
I do know that. But I did text him last
night and said, listen, you are my priority because I
love Rob. He's one of my best friends. Here's your
So if you can't do it at seven thirty five,
as much as it may pain me, I will have
to say, Gary, can we do it another day. But
I'm glad he was do that.
Speaker 5 (03:10):
That's why, you know, before I talk about myself, I
do love to talk about my guys, you know. And
I was so proud of the way I play. I
still I'm kind of be honest. When I look in
the mirror, I still see a football player. I still
see a UDFA. I'm drafted free agent working his way
into the NFL. I did play thirteen seasons. A couple
(03:32):
I were injured. You get credit for it even though
you don't play.
Speaker 1 (03:35):
But okay, I.
Speaker 5 (03:37):
Was on those teams. I'm not being critical or anything.
I'm just trying to say it was a tremendous run.
And Rob tells a great story and it kind of
sums up what my life was like kind of a
player or guys like Rob or the NFL, you know,
not everybody's a superstar. He had a conversation with the
great Chris Fieldman one time. I don't know if he's
(03:58):
ever told you guys this on the radio, but if not,
it's a great story. And he and Spiels are talking
about the upcoming training camp and Chris is talking about
how he needs to Rob about he's got to work
on his you know way he flips his hips when
he goes back and drop coverage and how he reads
the onside outside zone and working on keeping the lower
(04:19):
leverage in training camp, and he olwys the Rob, what
are you going to work on? Is I'm going to
work on making the damn team Is what I'm going
to work on. Is That's kind of what my life
was like. I mean, there was a lot of good
parts of it I played. You know that competitive quarterback
playing in your hometown is not easy. When things are
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going great, it's great. When things aren't, you know, it's tough.
It was tough on my kids, my wife and uh.
You have to have blinders on. You have to, you know,
the team is depending on you to perform. And for
the most part, I always felt when I was playing,
I was two games away from you know, being gone.
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So it was it was a thirteen year You just
had to be competitively strong and mentally strong. And my
teammates always trusted me, coaches trusted me. So I love
that part of it. Now. The broadcasting part very similar
in a lot of ways. You know a lot of
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people you know, you know listen to you. Things you
say have carry a lot of weight. Coaches sometimes here
a little maybe half the story you're giving. And the
games I've been doing for thirty six years, no criticism
everybody else. But I bet ninety percent of the games
(05:43):
I did had national championship consequences. This week does not
include it. I'll admit that. But that's what it's like
doing those games. And you know, I knew that if
I wasn't ready to work. You know. I had to
put in the work. I had to go to the practice.
I can't be on TV criticizeing a player or a
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coach if I don't show up and do my homework.
Speaker 1 (06:06):
Thank you, thank you.
Speaker 5 (06:07):
I've been proud of that. I don't listen. I don't
agree with every opinion I talk about during the game.
After I listen to it, but it's an honest opinion
and an informed opinion. That's kind of what I try
to do when I do these games. You're a legend, Gary,
You're a legend.
Speaker 1 (06:23):
YEP. It's there's absolutely no question about it, and it
comes across in the broadcast. I think I've said this
about broadcasting TV calling games. If you don't know what
you're talking about, you get exposed quickly. So I think
that's the beauty of what you've done for your six
time Sports Semmy Award winning career in thirty six seasons,
(06:43):
and it shows I would say this. I think college
You can disagree with me all you want. College football
is in a bad place. I don't like the transfer portal.
Obviously nil is not nil, it's pay to play, and
I think college football needs a commissioner. Is it something
you would consider, and do you incur with my original thoughts?
Speaker 5 (07:03):
So I don't. I think the complications of this are
almost impossible to solve. The commissioner. It's not one league, okay,
everybody's not the same. And who would a commissioner represents?
Would he represent you know, the MAC, the ACC uh No, just.
Speaker 1 (07:22):
The power conferences.
Speaker 5 (07:23):
It's just a powerful yeah, and even there's there's not
even equality in the Power of four conferences, as you know,
you know, I mean, it gets very complicated. I think
you're correct. It would be nice if it had more
rules across the board that applied to everyone. But for
that to happen, you know, the powerful schools would have
(07:46):
to seed stuff that would be very tough, you know.
I mean they have an advantage. They have more money,
they have more alumni. And so so what is the
Michigans and the Alabamas and the LSUS and the Texas
by the way, who produced the best ratings for TV
and make the league the most money because their games
(08:06):
on television are much more valuable. Witness the game that
we're doing this week. I mean, you know, God love
Michigan State, and I do love Michigan State, but this
game would not be out if they weren't playing Penn
State because Penn State will just attract some viewers. So
there's a value to the league. So I just don't
know how you solve this. It's not the equation of
(08:33):
the power for being equal to the NFL. For that
to happen, there's going to have to be the big
ten in the SEC even to expand more. You know,
for that to happen, each would have to go to
maybe twenty four teams, two divisions of twelve, and that
would eliminate a lot more players. Now, let's go to
(08:53):
the transfer portal. I kind of like the transfer portal.
You know, I did the job. Think about it. Joe Burrow,
who would not have played at Ohio State. Okay, the
opinions of the coaches there is Joe Burrow needed to
move the tight end. Well, Joe Burrow believed in himself
and he was right. And I think a lot of
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players were finding a lot of these guys out there
that get more opportunities and there's more avenues for them
to see who they're going to be, like in any
other business. Now, the money part that has always been
hard to solve. I mean There's always been the rumors,
and I think probably more true than not that certain
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teams were paying players anyway, you know, under the table.
Now it's above the table. But I do think that
money's going to go to somebody. And when coaches have
the freedom to move anywhere they want for any amount
of money, it's hard to say that the players can't
share that. So I don't disagree with it. I really don't.
Speaker 1 (09:59):
Yeah, I don't disagree with that. My point is there
needs to be guard rails. I don't have a problem
with a player transferring either, but there are no guardrails,
and I think what we've lost in college football to
a certain extent, I'm not expecting everybody to show up
and be able to wear Gary Danielson's jersey at Purdue
next time they visit West Lafayette. All I'm saying is
at some point, the beauty of what college sports used
(10:20):
to be as a connection between that fan base and
its team. And I think you've almost.
Speaker 5 (10:25):
No doubt about that. There's no doubt about that. And
I think another thing that's a little bit different. You know,
I did eighteen years in the SEC, you know, and
I've done the other eighteen years basically in the Big Ten,
before and after. You know, growing up in the North,
it's very hard for a football fan, a TV football fan,
(10:47):
to be a Saturday and Sunday guy viewer growing up
in the North. As much as you know, I'm a
Michigander and I knew about Michigan and Michigan State, I
never went growing up as a kid to a Michigan
or Michigan State game. The first live college football game
I ever saw was after I signed it Purdue. Wow,
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I was a Lion fan. And most people in the
Midwest and the North, you know, Ohio maybe a little
different with Ohio State, Pennsylvania a little different with Penn State.
Our NFL fans, well, in the South, that's not the case.
In the South tend to grow up being an Alabama fan,
a Tennessee fans, stuff like that. So there isn't even
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equity there. The sport is so different in the different regions.
It's really going to and I guarantee you this, any
guard will you put up, somebody will figure out a
way around it.
Speaker 1 (11:41):
Yeah, you're probably right there. You head to Michigan State,
where the Spartans stake on Penn State. As you mentioned,
and you know, it's it's unfortunate in today's landscape of
college football, but it's just the way it is. You
don't get a chance to build programs. You're building teams
Jonathan Smith. People are wondering, you know, are they going
to get a ten win and is he going to
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be there for very long?
Speaker 5 (12:04):
From afar?
Speaker 1 (12:05):
What's your take on how he's done as a head
coach and where do you think Penn State heads for
their next head coach?
Speaker 5 (12:11):
Yeah, unfortunately, this is where the transfer portal and the
changes in college football where you're one hundred percent right,
you know, the days of building like maybe Northwestern when
Randy Walker did it, Gary Barnett did it where they
build a team to a fourth and fifth year seniors,
or the way Wisconsin and Iowa build teams, or even
(12:31):
Michigan State in the day that you know waited and
kind of rode the wave when they had a lot
of fourth and fifty year veteran players. That seems to
be over. You know, when Kurt Signetti is out there
winning games in Indiana in two years, it just serves
notice to all these athletic charrectories, the frustrated fan base,
and then even more frustrated donors to these universities that
(12:54):
are asked to give a lot of money. They're going all,
wait a second, here, you know, we're paying our coach
ten million dollars and the guy down and I you
took the losingest program in the history of college football
and turned it around in two years. Unfortunately, Now, fortunately
or unfortunately, I don't know, however you want to work
look at it. I mean, these coaches take these jobs
(13:17):
for a lot of money. They know what that stake
when they take it. It's more like taking an NFL
job than a college job. You have to win, and
there are paths to turn your team around quicker than
it used to be. And unfortunately you have to do that.
You cannot depend on taking a you know, a kid
from Dearborn, Michigan, or you know Southfield, or you know
(13:40):
the Upper Peninsula of Michigan, Michigan and training them for
four years. There can be a few of those, but
the base of your team have to be ready to
play every year.
Speaker 1 (13:49):
Yeah, what does Michigan State do to sell its fan
base besides winning? Do you think, because I think it's a.
Speaker 5 (13:59):
Program Michigan State that yeah, I think they're I think
they're more than loyal. I think sparty fans are everywhere
I go. They're loyal to their team. It's a little
bit of another difference that I noticed when I did
SEC football, the Northern football. The Northern fans are rabid
(14:19):
for their team. Okay, they Michigan and Michigan State people
follow their team. Iowa people follow their team. They don't
expect them to win the championship every year, but they
follow and they'll watch them on TV. In the South,
SEC fans, even though they might be a Florida fan,
they want to watch Alabama LSU. It's not very often
(14:42):
that a sporty party fan is really excited to watch
Oregon play Iowa. You just don't get the same type
of loyalty to the conference. So do you think this
party fans are fine? I don't think they expect the
football team to win the championship every year. What they
don't expect is what's happening right now. I mean they go,
wait a second, you know, we now this is you know,
(15:06):
there's been a lot of reasons. They've had some tough losses,
things haven't worked out. But you know, I don't think
they're going to go away. I don't think you're going
to lose party fans because you got to give them
more than they're getting right now.
Speaker 1 (15:19):
Yeah, Hey, last thing from you, real quick, big ten
two point four billion dollar private equity. What's your thoughts
on that marriage?
Speaker 5 (15:29):
Yeah, I hope that doesn't happen. I don't understand that
at all. I don't know. Private equity people are one
thing I think you'll you'll agree with. They're into making
a profit. So if they're going to give you two
point four million, they're going to figure out a billion.
Excuse me, They're going to figure out a way to
make a profit at it. And I don't understand why
all these smart people at these universities can't figure out
(15:52):
how to do this themselves. And I'd be very leary
of joining up with people that give you money and
to make a profit on it.
Speaker 1 (16:02):
Perhaps because some of those people at those universities aren't
very smart, that could.
Speaker 5 (16:05):
Be part of it. May be true. I think they
are somebody who is. Yeah, Tony is very smart, So
he is. He must have a great plan. We'll see
he'll be on the carpet board. If it's not right,
he'll be in trouble, but Tony is one of the
smart people on all sports.
Speaker 1 (16:20):
Let's hope you're right there. We've been really fortunate for
you to grace our television sets for thirty six years.
You do an excellent job. It's going to be really hard.
You are the standard other people are going to have
to follow. I think there's some good ones, you know.
I think Joe Klatt's good. I think brock Heward's good.
I think there's some analysts out there, but you've set
a really high bar. Thanks for all that you've done.
We appreciate you making the games more enjoyable for us.
(16:43):
Have a great weekend.
Speaker 5 (16:45):
Thank you. I'm just very proud of our work. I've
had some great people to work with, Paul Famers all
along the line, but it's been a great, great run. Thanks.
Speaker 1 (16:53):
Yeah, please tell Brad Neessler I said hello. I think
he's the best at what he does too. I absolutely we.
Speaker 5 (17:00):
Trader around, Nessler, Musburger and burn Lunquist. That ain't bad.
Speaker 1 (17:03):
Yeah, that's not bad, and it's not bad that they've
had you. So thanks for the time. I appreciate, appreciate it.
Speaker 5 (17:07):
You guys.
Speaker 1 (17:08):
All right, Yep, that's Gary Danielson joining a here on
EXS and Bros. Outstanding sinsight to what he's got going
on this weekend with mich State. So damn awesome. Brought
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Speaker 2 (17:47):
So I hurt my hip at the gym and ended
up at PHI Urgent Care. They really took care of me.
They referred me to one of their physios and while
working on my core, the physio noticed I was walking
at it oddly, so she refers me to a vh
I podiatrist and he was able to help me correct
my gait. So yeah, it was. It was really great
how Vhi was able to connect all the dots.
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Speaker 3 (00:04):
He claims he brought the mullet.
Speaker 4 (00:06):
Back, his short shorts are a bit too short, and
he's nowhere to be found when it's his round.
Speaker 1 (00:12):
There's one Heiniegen zero zero.
Speaker 3 (00:15):
But he's our best mate, and even though he's always
banging on about dust ninety percent past completion.
Speaker 4 (00:22):
There's no one we'd rather watch the match with. To
the sports that bring us together, Heineken zero zero.
Speaker 2 (00:30):
So I hurt my hip at the gym and ended
up at PHI Urgent Care. They really took care of me.
They referred me to one of their physios and while
working on my core, the physiognotised I was walking a
little oddly, so she refers me to a Vhi but
diiatrist and he was able to help me correct my gait.
So yeah, it was. It was really great how Vhi
was able to connect all the dots.
Speaker 3 (00:54):
Vhi, because your health means everything.
Speaker 1 (01:05):
I think the word great is overused in sports period.
I think we use it as a way to describe
somebody when we sometimes struggle with that. I don't use
it lightly in this case. I think Gary Danielson is
great at what he does. I wish he would continue
to do it. I think he is iconic, and I
mean that. I don't say that because he's here. I
(01:26):
think he's an icon in the world of college football
and football in general. Analyst work. He is the measuring stick.
And he joins us here on exes and Bros. Unfortunately
it's his last year. We wish we could talk him
out of it, but he will be in East Lancing
this weekend for Michigan State and Penn State, and he
joins us here on Exison Bros. On a Feris Coffee Friday, Gary,
(01:47):
Hope you're well. Hope you and your family are doing great.
How do you feel when people say you've accomplished him
aful lot in your career. You know, he led the
Big Tent passer rating and and he did you know,
completion and touchdown passes at one point eleven years in
the NFL. But you are best known as the best
analyst in college football perhaps history. I would say, how
(02:08):
do you feel about that?
Speaker 5 (02:12):
It's been a lot of fun. I mean I really
kind of never saw this part coming, to tell of
the truth, and I don't want to stumble all over
your introduction. But I just got a call about an
hour ago from the son of Newberry, the husband of
Babbie Rubik, one of the great Northwood volleyball players of
(02:35):
all time, the father of Samantha Ryan Drew Olivia of
Grand Valley State, my tight end, Rob Rubick. You actually
pushed Rob Rubick back for me to come on at
this time spot and he was very upset about this.
Do you know that, don't you?
Speaker 1 (02:54):
I do know that. But I did text him last
night and said, listen, you are my priority because I
love Rob. He's one of my best friends. Here's your
So if you can't do it at seven thirty five,
as much as it may pain me, I will have
to say, Gary, can we do it another day. But
I'm glad he was do that.
Speaker 5 (03:10):
That's why, you know, before I talk about myself, I
do love to talk about my guys, you know. And
I was so proud of the way I play. I
still I'm kind of be honest. When I look in
the mirror, I still see a football player. I still
see a UDFA. I'm drafted free agent working his way
into the NFL. I did play thirteen seasons. A couple
(03:32):
I were injured. You get credit for it even though
you don't play.
Speaker 1 (03:35):
But okay, I.
Speaker 5 (03:37):
Was on those teams. I'm not being critical or anything.
I'm just trying to say it was a tremendous run.
And Rob tells a great story and it kind of
sums up what my life was like kind of a
player or guys like Rob or the NFL, you know,
not everybody's a superstar. He had a conversation with the
great Chris Fieldman one time. I don't know if he's
(03:58):
ever told you guys this on the radio, but if not,
it's a great story. And he and Spiels are talking
about the upcoming training camp and Chris is talking about
how he needs to Rob about he's got to work
on his you know way he flips his hips when
he goes back and drop coverage and how he reads
the onside outside zone and working on keeping the lower
(04:19):
leverage in training camp, and he olwys the Rob, what
are you going to work on? Is I'm going to
work on making the damn team Is what I'm going
to work on. Is That's kind of what my life
was like. I mean, there was a lot of good
parts of it I played. You know that competitive quarterback
playing in your hometown is not easy. When things are
(04:41):
going great, it's great. When things aren't, you know, it's tough.
It was tough on my kids, my wife and uh.
You have to have blinders on. You have to, you know,
the team is depending on you to perform. And for
the most part, I always felt when I was playing,
I was two games away from you know, being gone.
(05:01):
So it was it was a thirteen year You just
had to be competitively strong and mentally strong. And my
teammates always trusted me, coaches trusted me. So I love
that part of it. Now. The broadcasting part very similar
in a lot of ways. You know a lot of
(05:22):
people you know, you know listen to you. Things you
say have carry a lot of weight. Coaches sometimes here
a little maybe half the story you're giving. And the
games I've been doing for thirty six years, no criticism
everybody else. But I bet ninety percent of the games
(05:43):
I did had national championship consequences. This week does not
include it. I'll admit that. But that's what it's like
doing those games. And you know, I knew that if
I wasn't ready to work. You know. I had to
put in the work. I had to go to the practice.
I can't be on TV criticizeing a player or a
(06:04):
coach if I don't show up and do my homework.
Speaker 1 (06:06):
Thank you, thank you.
Speaker 5 (06:07):
I've been proud of that. I don't listen. I don't
agree with every opinion I talk about during the game.
After I listen to it, but it's an honest opinion
and an informed opinion. That's kind of what I try
to do when I do these games. You're a legend, Gary,
You're a legend.
Speaker 1 (06:23):
YEP. It's there's absolutely no question about it, and it
comes across in the broadcast. I think I've said this
about broadcasting TV calling games. If you don't know what
you're talking about, you get exposed quickly. So I think
that's the beauty of what you've done for your six
time Sports Semmy Award winning career in thirty six seasons,
(06:43):
and it shows I would say this. I think college
You can disagree with me all you want. College football
is in a bad place. I don't like the transfer portal.
Obviously nil is not nil, it's pay to play, and
I think college football needs a commissioner. Is it something
you would consider, and do you incur with my original thoughts?
Speaker 5 (07:03):
So I don't. I think the complications of this are
almost impossible to solve. The commissioner. It's not one league, okay,
everybody's not the same. And who would a commissioner represents?
Would he represent you know, the MAC, the ACC uh No, just.
Speaker 1 (07:22):
The power conferences.
Speaker 5 (07:23):
It's just a powerful yeah, and even there's there's not
even equality in the Power of four conferences, as you know,
you know, I mean, it gets very complicated. I think
you're correct. It would be nice if it had more
rules across the board that applied to everyone. But for
that to happen, you know, the powerful schools would have
(07:46):
to seed stuff that would be very tough, you know.
I mean they have an advantage. They have more money,
they have more alumni. And so so what is the
Michigans and the Alabamas and the LSUS and the Texas
by the way, who produced the best ratings for TV
and make the league the most money because their games
(08:06):
on television are much more valuable. Witness the game that
we're doing this week. I mean, you know, God love
Michigan State, and I do love Michigan State, but this
game would not be out if they weren't playing Penn
State because Penn State will just attract some viewers. So
there's a value to the league. So I just don't
know how you solve this. It's not the equation of
(08:33):
the power for being equal to the NFL. For that
to happen, there's going to have to be the big
ten in the SEC even to expand more. You know,
for that to happen, each would have to go to
maybe twenty four teams, two divisions of twelve, and that
would eliminate a lot more players. Now, let's go to
(08:53):
the transfer portal. I kind of like the transfer portal.
You know, I did the job. Think about it. Joe Burrow,
who would not have played at Ohio State. Okay, the
opinions of the coaches there is Joe Burrow needed to
move the tight end. Well, Joe Burrow believed in himself
and he was right. And I think a lot of
(09:16):
players were finding a lot of these guys out there
that get more opportunities and there's more avenues for them
to see who they're going to be, like in any
other business. Now, the money part that has always been
hard to solve. I mean There's always been the rumors,
and I think probably more true than not that certain
(09:38):
teams were paying players anyway, you know, under the table.
Now it's above the table. But I do think that
money's going to go to somebody. And when coaches have
the freedom to move anywhere they want for any amount
of money, it's hard to say that the players can't
share that. So I don't disagree with it. I really don't.
Speaker 1 (09:59):
Yeah, I don't disagree with that. My point is there
needs to be guard rails. I don't have a problem
with a player transferring either, but there are no guardrails,
and I think what we've lost in college football to
a certain extent, I'm not expecting everybody to show up
and be able to wear Gary Danielson's jersey at Purdue
next time they visit West Lafayette. All I'm saying is
at some point, the beauty of what college sports used
(10:20):
to be as a connection between that fan base and
its team. And I think you've almost.
Speaker 5 (10:25):
No doubt about that. There's no doubt about that. And
I think another thing that's a little bit different. You know,
I did eighteen years in the SEC, you know, and
I've done the other eighteen years basically in the Big Ten,
before and after. You know, growing up in the North,
it's very hard for a football fan, a TV football fan,
(10:47):
to be a Saturday and Sunday guy viewer growing up
in the North. As much as you know, I'm a
Michigander and I knew about Michigan and Michigan State, I
never went growing up as a kid to a Michigan
or Michigan State game. The first live college football game
I ever saw was after I signed it Purdue. Wow,
(11:08):
I was a Lion fan. And most people in the
Midwest and the North, you know, Ohio maybe a little
different with Ohio State, Pennsylvania a little different with Penn State.
Our NFL fans, well, in the South, that's not the case.
In the South tend to grow up being an Alabama fan,
a Tennessee fans, stuff like that. So there isn't even
(11:30):
equity there. The sport is so different in the different regions.
It's really going to and I guarantee you this, any
guard will you put up, somebody will figure out a
way around it.
Speaker 1 (11:41):
Yeah, you're probably right there. You head to Michigan State,
where the Spartans stake on Penn State. As you mentioned,
and you know, it's it's unfortunate in today's landscape of
college football, but it's just the way it is. You
don't get a chance to build programs. You're building teams
Jonathan Smith. People are wondering, you know, are they going
to get a ten win and is he going to
(12:02):
be there for very long?
Speaker 5 (12:04):
From afar?
Speaker 1 (12:05):
What's your take on how he's done as a head
coach and where do you think Penn State heads for
their next head coach?
Speaker 5 (12:11):
Yeah, unfortunately, this is where the transfer portal and the
changes in college football where you're one hundred percent right,
you know, the days of building like maybe Northwestern when
Randy Walker did it, Gary Barnett did it where they
build a team to a fourth and fifth year seniors,
or the way Wisconsin and Iowa build teams, or even
(12:31):
Michigan State in the day that you know waited and
kind of rode the wave when they had a lot
of fourth and fifty year veteran players. That seems to
be over. You know, when Kurt Signetti is out there
winning games in Indiana in two years, it just serves
notice to all these athletic charrectories, the frustrated fan base,
and then even more frustrated donors to these universities that
(12:54):
are asked to give a lot of money. They're going all,
wait a second, here, you know, we're paying our coach
ten million dollars and the guy down and I you
took the losingest program in the history of college football
and turned it around in two years. Unfortunately, Now, fortunately
or unfortunately, I don't know, however you want to work
look at it. I mean, these coaches take these jobs
(13:17):
for a lot of money. They know what that stake
when they take it. It's more like taking an NFL
job than a college job. You have to win, and
there are paths to turn your team around quicker than
it used to be. And unfortunately you have to do that.
You cannot depend on taking a you know, a kid
from Dearborn, Michigan, or you know Southfield, or you know
(13:40):
the Upper Peninsula of Michigan, Michigan and training them for
four years. There can be a few of those, but
the base of your team have to be ready to
play every year.
Speaker 1 (13:49):
Yeah, what does Michigan State do to sell its fan
base besides winning? Do you think, because I think it's a.
Speaker 5 (13:59):
Program Michigan State that yeah, I think they're I think
they're more than loyal. I think sparty fans are everywhere
I go. They're loyal to their team. It's a little
bit of another difference that I noticed when I did
SEC football, the Northern football. The Northern fans are rabid
(14:19):
for their team. Okay, they Michigan and Michigan State people
follow their team. Iowa people follow their team. They don't
expect them to win the championship every year, but they
follow and they'll watch them on TV. In the South,
SEC fans, even though they might be a Florida fan,
they want to watch Alabama LSU. It's not very often
(14:42):
that a sporty party fan is really excited to watch
Oregon play Iowa. You just don't get the same type
of loyalty to the conference. So do you think this
party fans are fine? I don't think they expect the
football team to win the championship every year. What they
don't expect is what's happening right now. I mean they go,
wait a second, you know, we now this is you know,
(15:06):
there's been a lot of reasons. They've had some tough losses,
things haven't worked out. But you know, I don't think
they're going to go away. I don't think you're going
to lose party fans because you got to give them
more than they're getting right now.
Speaker 1 (15:19):
Yeah, Hey, last thing from you, real quick, big ten
two point four billion dollar private equity. What's your thoughts
on that marriage?
Speaker 5 (15:29):
Yeah, I hope that doesn't happen. I don't understand that
at all. I don't know. Private equity people are one
thing I think you'll you'll agree with. They're into making
a profit. So if they're going to give you two
point four million, they're going to figure out a billion.
Excuse me, They're going to figure out a way to
make a profit at it. And I don't understand why
all these smart people at these universities can't figure out
(15:52):
how to do this themselves. And I'd be very leary
of joining up with people that give you money and
to make a profit on it.
Speaker 1 (16:02):
Perhaps because some of those people at those universities aren't
very smart, that could.
Speaker 5 (16:05):
Be part of it. May be true. I think they
are somebody who is. Yeah, Tony is very smart, So
he is. He must have a great plan. We'll see
he'll be on the carpet board. If it's not right,
he'll be in trouble, but Tony is one of the
smart people on all sports.
Speaker 1 (16:20):
Let's hope you're right there. We've been really fortunate for
you to grace our television sets for thirty six years.
You do an excellent job. It's going to be really hard.
You are the standard other people are going to have
to follow. I think there's some good ones, you know.
I think Joe Klatt's good. I think brock Heward's good.
I think there's some analysts out there, but you've set
a really high bar. Thanks for all that you've done.
We appreciate you making the games more enjoyable for us.
(16:43):
Have a great weekend.
Speaker 5 (16:45):
Thank you. I'm just very proud of our work. I've
had some great people to work with, Paul Famers all
along the line, but it's been a great, great run. Thanks.
Speaker 1 (16:53):
Yeah, please tell Brad Neessler I said hello. I think
he's the best at what he does too. I absolutely we.
Speaker 5 (17:00):
Trader around, Nessler, Musburger and burn Lunquist. That ain't bad.
Speaker 1 (17:03):
Yeah, that's not bad, and it's not bad that they've
had you. So thanks for the time. I appreciate, appreciate it.
Speaker 5 (17:07):
You guys.
Speaker 1 (17:08):
All right, Yep, that's Gary Danielson joining a here on
EXS and Bros. Outstanding sinsight to what he's got going
on this weekend with mich State. So damn awesome. Brought
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Speaker 4 (17:23):
Back, his short shorts are a bit too short, and
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Speaker 1 (17:30):
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Speaker 3 (17:32):
But he's our best mate, and even though he's always
banging on about dust passive leisure, there's no one we'd
rather watch the match.
Speaker 4 (17:43):
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