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Speaker 1 (00:16):
Where are we at in society today? Come after me.
I'm a man, I'm forty.
Speaker 2 (00:22):
Go ahead, make my.
Speaker 3 (00:25):
Day every single week. I put my freaking heart and
soul into this. I don't go out there and laugh.
It's not funny. Nothing's funny to me. I don't want
to go out there and get embarrassed on Monday night
football fun of everybody.
Speaker 2 (00:35):
I think this at the beginning of a beautiful friendship.
Speaker 3 (00:38):
So I ain't nothing changed from yesterday.
Speaker 4 (00:41):
Still the same person I was yesterday, and I got
the same thing for you that I had yesterday.
Speaker 2 (00:47):
You know why I'm here.
Speaker 5 (00:49):
You play to win the game. You don't play to
just play it. That's a great thing about sports. You
play to win, and I don't care if you don't
have any whis do you go play to win? When
you start telling me it doesn't matter, you re time,
get out for the matter.
Speaker 2 (01:11):
This is a busy, very busy, but fun filled Friday.
It's a fairest coffee Friday. Hi everyone, welcome, Glad you're
with us on Excess and Bros throughout the state of Michigan.
I'm Matt Shephard. Trent Bally is back. Good have Trent back.
Did Brett Hayes appreciate all his hard work? Yesterday? Trent
is back from visiting some friends who came as a
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surprise birthday party present for him. How was it? Oh?
Speaker 6 (01:37):
It was awesome. I mean, I come to ask for more.
We went downtown, had a good time, did a little
bar crawl. It was great, one of the better birthdays
I've had, honestly, shepp was fun.
Speaker 2 (01:46):
Would you get and you went out to dinner? I would?
I would assume yes, we did.
Speaker 6 (01:50):
We went to Manelli's, which is a local you know,
no free ads, of course, but it's a local establishment
in Grandville.
Speaker 2 (01:56):
Okay, all right? So it was downtown Granville or downtown
Grand Rapids.
Speaker 1 (02:01):
Dinner was in Grandville, bark crawl was in Grand Rapids.
Speaker 2 (02:04):
Got you all right recovered yet or still a little foggy?
Speaker 1 (02:09):
Drag it a little bit? But I'm ready to go
this morning.
Speaker 2 (02:13):
And what was the topic of discussion with you and
your buddies from last night?
Speaker 4 (02:18):
Oh?
Speaker 1 (02:18):
It's always sports, always.
Speaker 2 (02:20):
I know that. So that's why I asked. Okay, Lion's heavy.
Speaker 6 (02:24):
Lions heavy, trek scooble heavy, red wings heavy, that kind
of stuff, you know.
Speaker 2 (02:28):
Red wings heavy, that's interesting. And I assume you were
watching the game last night in which they won six
to three, yep, And it was a little bit of
a back and forth situation and they had John Gibson
polled and then eventually Cam Talbot comes in and gets
the job done and Alex Dabrinkt had two goals and
an assist and a six to three win to snap
a three game slide. Okay, So I'm always wondering about this.
(02:52):
Since you've been doing this show, have you become more
heads heart less or have you become more argumentative debatable
understanding changed your views on some of the things that
they have said that you might have agreed with before,
(03:14):
but now take a different tact and a different look
at it.
Speaker 6 (03:17):
Yeah, had first heart less, I will say for sure,
because shep you have changed my line of thought. Not
in a bad way, but just you know, when someone
says something and has a big opinion, my first thought
sometimes is to be critical is not the word, but
just to analyze it a little bit more and ask
them why they think that way.
Speaker 1 (03:37):
If that makes sense.
Speaker 2 (03:39):
Yeah, I appreciate that. I've I've done it probably too much,
so don't go too far. I have done that way
too often. I had a conversation with somebody yesterday who
again got a little hyperbolic. I thought one of my
new favorite words, and I got to stop using it.
But it's a You know, the two greatest athletes the
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end has ever seen are Will Chamberlain and Lebron James.
And I said, that's an interesting take. I said, what
makes what makes you say that? And then they list
all the things that Will Chamberlain had done and I said, absolutely,
I get that. And then Lebron Jams said, you realize
how many great athletes there have been in the NBA.
(04:23):
I'll give you a quick example, not that this would
be an answer to it, but you know, Danny Ainge
played two professional sports, right like we make so much
of Dianon Sanders and Bo Jackson, and I get it.
Danny Ainge played basketball and major League baseball.
Speaker 1 (04:38):
Good one.
Speaker 2 (04:38):
I mean, we're not talking about Michael Jordan playing the
NBA and minor league baseball. Stop with the call up
to the White Sox, it was strictly a publicity stunt.
Stop it. Okay, he can't play professional baseball. But Charlie
Ward won a Heisman Trophy and played point guard for
the Knicks. You're aware of that we're talking about athletes here,
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that's all. Okay, they're all athletic. I get that. Yeah,
I just found that interesting. And the Lebron James thing.
He went on to talk about all the great things
that Will Chamberlain had accomplished as an athlete prior to
the NBA, and then Lebron James. And if you're going
to say, well, Lebron James played wide receiver in high school,
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find me an NBA player who didn't play another sport.
Speaker 1 (05:24):
Yeah, they all did, right, they were.
Speaker 2 (05:27):
Yeah, it wasn't pretty damn good at it, you know.
And then we're going to get into well, you know
a lot of NFL players say he could have played
in the NFL. Okay, do you know how many people
I run into say I could have done this? If?
It's endless? So that's the reason, you know, it was
probably a worthless debate. It's like what do you what
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are you doing? Why are you wasting the time doing it?
Speaker 6 (05:54):
But that's a great example because like doing the show
with you every morning to answer the question originally like
that's that, It's just how my brain has sort of
shifted a little bit. You know, when someone says something
like that, you're instantly like, why do you think that?
Speaker 2 (06:08):
Yeah, I'm always interested not to run into a debate here,
but I'm always interested on why. Yeah, why do you feel.
Speaker 1 (06:16):
Like I'm not saying you're wrong? I just want to roll.
Speaker 2 (06:18):
One exactly right. I'm not saying you're wrong. I can
tell you this. Michigan State has been right in playing
basketball this year. They burned San Jose State seventy nine
to sixty, third straight win for him. So the three
and oh, good for them. Jackson Cole has played really well, huh,
leading the spartan seventeen points, career best eighteen boards. Carson
Cooper dropped into career best seventeen points alt.
Speaker 1 (06:39):
The big men played well.
Speaker 2 (06:40):
Yeah, yeah, and now they get Kentucky next. Good for them.
You know, we'll play a little bit later on what
tom Izzo had to say in his post game. It
is fantastic. It is classic. It is something I wish
every single high school coach in America, and I don't
care what sport it is, every single high school coach
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in America would grab and play before every practice, in
every game, and maybe after every practice and every game.
Pistons are back on the floor tonight. They're dragging an
eight game winning streak with them. They're gonna host the Sixers.
Detroit beat Philly on the road last Sunday. NFL's Week
eleven started in Foxborough, Patriots rolling to their eighth straight win,
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the last time they've won this many in a row.
Tom Brady was under center. They beat the Jets twenty
seven or fourteen. Trayvon Henderson rushes for two touchdowns, was
on the receiving end of Drake May's lone touchdown pass.
New England is nine and two. You want an eye
popping stat for you. The previous two years they were
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eight and twenty six, eight and twenty six and twenty three,
twenty four. Now nine and two, New York drops to
two and eight. That's that's incredible. I don't know if
Drake May is the MVP, and I'm okay saying that
you don't either. But I'll be damned if I'm going
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to hear people talk about various names and not include
him to cases anybody, right, he looks as poised, calm
and efficient. It is just about any quarterup. Now. I
know you're gonna say chep, he's playing the Jets fair enough.
I'm just hoping that if you're going to use that argument,
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the next time you, as a Lions fan, support Jared
Goff against the Washington Commanders, you say the same thing.
I just hope the next time you talk about Josh Allen,
you remember he went up against Miami and crapped his pants.
I just hope the next time you bring up a
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specific player you've got the same criteria that you're using
for Drake May. All I'm asking is for balance, fairness,
and objectivity. Oh sorry, he's in his second year, Dan Marino.
It's not like this hasn't been done before. Okay, so
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let's be careful when we're talking about that kind of stuff.
MVPs were announced last night in Major League Baseball. One surprise, one, historic,
amazing stuff. We'll get to that when we come back
on Exes and Bros. We're brought to you this first
hour by Mitch lions Wealth and Mitch Lionswealth dot Com
on a Faires Coffee Friday. Really good stuff coming up.
(09:37):
Rob Rubik's going to join us at seven thirty five.
Excited for that. Eight eighteen. Rob ellis from WVIP and
Philadelphia joins us from an Eagles perspective and an icon
analyst in college football. The great Gary Danielson joins us
at eight thirty five. All that plus you and your
informative objectivity throughout our show Friday Morning, back with you
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Some MVP voting taking place last night or accumulating last night,
and Aaron Judge walks away with another MVP, his third
in his last four years, won the batting title by
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hitting three thirty one mashed fifty three homers. He earned
seventeen first place votes. Cal Raley thirteen and now Judge
becomes the thirteenth player to ever win the award at
least three times in his career, and the fourth Yankee
to do with the Other Yankees were Yogi Bearra, who
won thirteen championships. By the way, never gets nearly enough
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pub talk about greatest champions of all time? Bill Russell,
how come nobody says Yogi Barra thirteen? That's incredible. Joe DiMaggio,
Mickey Mantle all won it three times from More. Jose
Ramirez finished third, byby Wit Junior fourth. It's a good debate.
I'm sure people in Seattle yesterday and today we'll talk about, well,
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it's only because he's from New York. That's the field
that the Yankees create, and it quite honestly, it's unfair,
at least in this situation. I think it's unfair because
of how great a season. And you know me, I
don't use those words very often, how great, how great
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a season? Aaron Judge truly had. He hit three point
thirty one, which was twenty points clear of Bo Bishett,
who people want coming to Detroit. And I understand that.
So he wins a baddding title with it pretty damn good.
Love that right. His home runs of fifty three were
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fourth most in all of baseball, second in the American League.
Cal Raley had the most in baseball, and then went
Kyle Schwarber, who finished second to in the National League.
Then it was shoe Heotani, and then it was Aaron Judge.
So Aaron Judge was number one on average, number two
in homers in RBIs. He finished second in the American League. Okay,
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fifth in all of baseball. I don't know how to
put in a Johannio Suarez because he played for both
the American and the nationally. But Aaron Judge had one
hundred and fourteen ribis, so he's top five there. He
is second in total bases to show Heyotani, he was
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second in walks to Juan Soto. On base percentage, he
was number one in all of baseball. He was number
one in slugging, he was number one in ops, and
he was number one in war. I get why it
was such a close race because of how good cal
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Raleigh was this year. And I actually said when the
regular season ended, if I had to vote, and I don't,
I would have voted for cal Raleigh. And I probably
would have done that for a lot of reasons, but
probably first and foremost because of the position he plays,
the importance of his position and his defensive prowess. Did
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not allow a pass ball all season until the series
against Detroit in the playoffs, which was ironic because Dylan
Dingler hadn't allowed one either, but the same game they
both allowed their first. Anyway, I would have voted for
cal rot But I also said I would have no
problem if Aaron Judge was named MVP, and he earns that.
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He is so humble, and I think that's an endearing
quality for him. But the most endearing quality that he
has is he understands the weight of playing for the Yankees,
and it is it's different. It's got to be different.
I mean, you talk with players who have played there.
It is a different feel because of their history, the
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twenty seven World championships, most in any sport, the number
of massive names that have worn that same uniform. The
Garrigs and the Ruths, and the Whitey Fords as a pitcher,
the Jeters, the matting Lees, guys like that. Obviously DiMaggio
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obviously Mantle, all those types of guys. Okay, so it
is a different feel. But credit where credit is due.
The baseball writers actually, in all likelihood got this right.
It wasn't just because he played for the Yankees. It's
because of all the things that he has done. And
now we're watching pretty historic stuff from Aaron Judge. I
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don't know if this seals a Hall of Famer type
label that goes with him, but it's hard to deny
the company that he keeps his fifty three homers. He's
the fourth player with four seasons of at least fifty
home runs. We said this when it took place. It's
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amazing what he was able to do. And he does
it as the guy in that lineup. That's the other thing.
Like a year ago, you could say, okay, well, Jan
Sota was there helping him in the lineup. With all
due respect to certain guys, Ben Rice, who probably should
have won the Silver Slugger instead of Zach McKinstry, because
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look at his numbers across the board, number one in
just about every single category that people would use for
a Silver Slugger, But with all due respect to him,
how many guys in that Yankees lineup scare the hell
out of you? Not a ton. Cody Bellinger had a
nice year, but not a ton. Everybody's pitching him supposed
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to be pitching him differently, and it didn't matter with
three point thirty one and fifty three. So kudos to
a guy like Aaron Judge, who I think represents baseball
the right way, definitely represents the Yankees the right way
and is an incredible player. Meanwhile, the best player on
planet Earth and for some the best player you've ever seen,
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Shohyotani a unanimous choice for the National League MVP. It's
not surprising that he was named MVP. The unanimous part
is the amazing thing. He has been named MVP four
times in the last five years, and each time he's
done that he was unanimous. That's incredible. He's the only
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player among the four major sports to be named unanimous
MVP more than once. He's also the first athlete in
the four major sports to win the MVP and a
championship in his first two years with a team. I
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don't want to hear how well he's got a lot
of help. He had some help in Los Angeles too,
and they couldn't even make the playoffs, all right. And
I get the Dodgers have three of the top earning
pitchers in all of baseball. I get how great Mookie
Betts is not just as a baseball player, but as
a bowler and as a golfer. I get how great
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Freddie Freeman is and how clutch certain other players can be.
Tommy Edmond a year ago, Max Munsey this year, yes,
I understand all that. Will Smith this year truly one
of the better catchers in all of baseball. I'm just
saying that, dude, for him to be a unanimous choice
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four times in his career is something we've never seen before,
and we need not that you haven't already, but we
really need to appreciate it. Just simply spectacular. We thought,
I thought, you know, Barry Bonds locked in despite the
Royds and seven time MVP was something special. It was
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feel really fortunate to be able to see something like that. Seriously,
sometimes we need to just take a step back and
instead of every single day recognize, you know, just how
good certain guys are, even if their careers are continuing.
Let's not wait until after their life is over or
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their career is over. I'm sure people did that in
New York when Mickey Manno was playing. You know, when
he wins seven World Series five in his first five years,
when he's a twenty time All Star, when he's a
triple Crown winner, when he wins the MVP, and that's
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what he did, He won the MVP. It's sometimes I
still marvel at this. He won him back to back
seasons and by the time he was, you know, twenty
five years old, he had won what five World Series
two MVPs. Oh, and he also won you know how
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many batting titles in his career at least one batting
title during that time. I'm sure they were appreciating that.
I hope that while he is still playing, not that
we have to get super caught up in a moment
and say he's the best I've ever seen in any sport,
But sho hey Otani doing what he's doing, Let's appreciate
that for a while instead of what's his next at bat,
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Let's appreciate his current at bat and some of the
other things that he does with it. Really impressive stuff.
Here's our Mitch Lions well pull question of the day. Actually,
we'll get to that when we come back. We got
to hit a break. That's twenty eight after the hour,
Quick time out on exes and Bros. Stay with us,
Rob Rubick a little bit more than an hour from
now on a Ferris Coffee Friday. Pay back with you
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on extras and bros throughout the state of Michigan. Thanks
for being with us on this Ferris Coffee Friday. We're
brought to you this hour by Mitch Lions and Mitch
Lions Wealth dot Com. By the way, we were just
talking about the MVP discussion, you know, with Shohi Otani,
and Aaron Judge. Some people may wonder, at least if
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you're a Tigers fan. I was wondering Trek Schoob will
receive any votes. Now, when you're a voter, get you
fill out a ballot of first, second, third, I think
it's up to ten, and then they tabulate points. So,
for example, Choeyotani received thirty first place votes. Okay, so
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no one else received any votes in the first place. Obviously,
Kyle Schwarber received twenty three second place votes. Juan Sota
received four second place votes. Geraldo Perdoma of Arizona received
three second place votes. I don't know how, but I mean,
obviously Arizona connection there, so you can go all the
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way down. Ellie de la Cruz, for example, received a
tenth place vote, so he received one point. So it
goes all the way up and down. Francisco Lindor Peede Alonzo,
you know, Freddie Freeman, Bryce Terrang, Nico Horner all receiving votes,
not first place votes, but at some point up to
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you know, between a second place in a tenth place vote.
In the American League, only two players received first place votes,
Aaron Judge seventeen and then Cal Raley thirteen and then
they flipped for second place. Nobody else received second place votes.
The most third place votes was Jose Ramirez and that's
why he was finished third. He had nineteen third place votes,
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and then Bobby Witt received nineteen fourth place votes. Where
do you think Tarek's Schooble finished in the MVP? Voting
of again points first through tenth, and then the number
of votes you get are tabulated with a certain number
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of points. Aaron Judge seventeen first place votes thirteen second
place votes gave him a total point total of three
hundred and fifty five. Okay, so I'm not asking for
his point total. Where do you think Tarrek Scooble finished
when it went Judge, Raleigh, Ramirez, Witt Junior, and then
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other players who may have received so for example, I.
Speaker 6 (23:09):
Would sure Holt middle of the pack. I would hope
five or six, five or six?
Speaker 2 (23:15):
Yeah, okay. Because Jacob Wilson finished with one tenth place vote,
Tarrek Schoubel finished.
Speaker 1 (23:24):
Fifth, Okay, Okay, I think that's fair.
Speaker 2 (23:29):
He received one third place vote, two fourth place votes,
seven fifth place votes, ten sixth place votes, four seventh
place votes, and three eighth place votes. Not bad. He
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finished ahead of Gulio Rodriguez, ahead of George Springer. Obviously,
I had of Garrett Crochet, who he beat for the
Cy Young ahead of Jeremy Panya and Byron Buxton and
Nick Kurtz and Vladimir Guerrero Junior and Cody Bellinger and
Mike el Garcia and Bob Baschett and Riley Greene who
finished Oh my god with one ninth place in one
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tenth place vote. I know.
Speaker 1 (24:17):
That the second half of the season killed him.
Speaker 2 (24:20):
Yeah, like he was ever in the discussion, but he
received some votes. I mean you can say something like that, Yeah.
Speaker 1 (24:26):
You can hang your hat on that. Sure.
Speaker 2 (24:27):
Well yeah, Look it's another example, Trent that strikeouts have
become an afterthought. And if you don't believe me, Kyle
Schwarber finished second in the National League MVP vote. Look
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at the number of strikeouts Kyle Schwarber had so and
I like him, don't get me wrong, me too, But
he was right behind Riley green We always talk about
Riley green Oh my god, two hundred one strikeouts? How
many is too many? Is what I always ask people. Okay,
I think anything over one hundred and fifty is ridiculous
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at the major league level. Same, Okay, on the other hand,
here's what players would argue against me. And I've had
this debate with him. You're seeing Derek Scubel for six innings.
Then you're seeing nasty pitcher. Nasty pitcher, nasty pitcher with
different stuff, fresh arms and all different arm angles.
Speaker 6 (25:28):
But still, if you're one fifty plus, you're close to
once a game that you're striking out.
Speaker 1 (25:33):
That's tough.
Speaker 2 (25:34):
Yeah, one hundred percent. And I'm again, I am not
a guy who is trying to convince you that you
have to be the second coming of Tony Gwynn. Okay,
I'm not doing that. I used to do that, but
I'm not doing that. And I would remind you that
Tony Gwinn never struck out more than forty times in
a season. Wow, that year he batted three thirteen. I
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might add he also walked fifty one times. That year
he walked fifty one. He struck out forty, he batted
three thirteen.
Speaker 1 (26:07):
It's a lot of hits.
Speaker 2 (26:10):
And he had one hundred and sixty three hits. Okay, Oh,
how great of a hitter was he? It's two hundred
it's two hundred on a regular basis, all right, two thirteen,
one ninety seven, two eleven, two eighteen, two oh three,
one ninety seven. Okay, up and down his resume anyway,
I'm not trying to do that. But when we talk
about strikeouts, Riley Green's getting MVP votes, I know, ninth
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and tenth place. There's still votes, ninth and tenth place votes.
Kyle schwarverz finishing second. And these two guys are two
of the top three strikeout leaders in baseball. Aaron Judge
won an MVP and I think he's a great player.
I do, and I hope I would hope you would
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agree with that.
Speaker 1 (26:56):
Probably a Hall of famer, Yep.
Speaker 2 (26:58):
Yeah, he probably is. He's probably a Hall of famer.
He struck out over two hundred times. Yeah, okay, so
all I'm telling you and Kyle Schwarber's been in that. Look,
how many times do people say to me and you
during the off season or during the regular season, I
should say, near the trade deadline, let's go get Ajuhanneo Suarez.
Speaker 1 (27:21):
Oh, that was the number one name you heard of?
Okay with the Tigers.
Speaker 2 (27:24):
Yeah, in twenty twenty three, au Haneo Suarez finished second
to Kyle Schwarber. I might add in strikeouts, with two
hundred and fourteen, he had more than Riley Green. Oh
my gosh. Yes, he's a guy who strikes out a lot,
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but he homers a lot. I have this debate with
the number of my baseball friends, and it's a fun discussion.
They want to see home runs.
Speaker 1 (27:55):
That's what it is.
Speaker 6 (27:56):
People are willing to overlook your flaws, overlook your war
if you're homering, if you're homering and hitting for power consistently.
Speaker 2 (28:04):
Yeah, So that's basically it. I say, So you want
a guy like that, but you but you're gonna complain
about Ryley Green. Understand this dude strikes out a lot, Yeah,
but he homers a lot. I said, Okay, give me
the difference. I want to know how many home runs
a guy has to hit for you to accept and
swallow two hundred home two hundred strikeouts, that's all I'm asking. Yep,
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that's what I That's what I would love to know.
Speaker 1 (28:27):
I And that's a fair question.
Speaker 2 (28:28):
How much is enough for you to realize, Okay, I
can live with the strikeouts. Aaron Judge one hundred and
seventy one hitting fifty eight homers. Okay, that's cool because
he led the league in homers, but he led the
league of strikeouts too.
Speaker 1 (28:45):
It's almost like different sport.
Speaker 6 (28:47):
But it's almost like Luka Doncic in the NBA because
he's so bad defensively, but he's so great offensively. So
how much are you willing to put up with that
bad defense for his offensive output?
Speaker 2 (28:57):
One hundred percent? Well said, I use it's this example.
The other day, Cad Cunningham missed more shots in a
single game than any player since the seventy six seventy
seven merger. Thirty one, right, but he scored forty one.
He had a triple double.
Speaker 1 (29:15):
Forty six I thought, or forty five, wasn't it.
Speaker 2 (29:20):
Oh he scored forty five?
Speaker 1 (29:21):
Yeah, I think so.
Speaker 2 (29:22):
He scored forty five, had a triple double, and was
simply spectacular for the team for the most part, because
they won in overtime. It was against Washington. Because they won.
The people in general their thought was, well, somebody had
to take the shots. Fair enough, you got five guys
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on the floor, somebody's got to shoot them. What if
they're missing them, though, what are you saying if they
lost the game? That's what I'm wondering. So how consistent
are we going to be with that? I'm not saying
that Riley Green's two hundred and one strikeouts were acceptable, No,
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not by any stretch. I'm just asking people when you
look at a baseball game or a player and you
see his flaws, Riley Green with the uppercut swing, now
looking for a launch angle, analytics looking for home runs
thirty eight? Right, the strikeouts were too much.
Speaker 6 (30:25):
If you can lead the league in strikeouts and still
get MVP votes albeit ninth and tenth, right, what does
that say about where the sport is?
Speaker 2 (30:33):
If you can lead the National League in strikeouts like
Kyle Schwarber did, and lead all of baseball and home runs,
why are you overlooking the strikeouts at one hundred and
ninety seven and only focusing on the home runs?
Speaker 1 (30:50):
A positive?
Speaker 2 (30:51):
Yeah? Yeah, So those are the things that I contemplate
just a little bit. Anyway, I wanted to let you
know that some Tigers did get some MVP votes all
right last night? Good win for the Red Wings. I mean,
at times a little shaky up. They got they got
the lead, they give it back. They got the lead,
they give it back. A lot of power play opportunities,
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a good win for Detroit in general.
Speaker 1 (31:13):
Back on track?
Speaker 2 (31:14):
Yeah, well you hope, So, yeah, that's a good question.
Is one win snapping a three game losing streak. It's
not like it's, you know, a death blow, But is
one win back on track? I don't know, but I
do know they played a better style of hockey last night.
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And look, twenty five saves combined by the two goalies,
so there wasn't a ton of shots. Dylan Larkin had
a multi point game. He's one of six Red Wings
to have a multi point game. He had a goal
and an assist. So the big question oftentimes that surrounds
Dylan Larkin, who I like a lot, and people happen
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to wonder is he a first line center? Is he?
Nathan McKinnon's a first line center. Connor McDavid's a first
line center. Connor Bedard's a first line center. Right, you
understand all that they hope in San Jose Maclin Celebrini
is a first line center. He sure as hell is
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playing one right now. Leo Carlson Anaheim, you saw him
last night. He's a first line center. Is Dylan Larkin?
Most people, including yours truly have said he's not. I've
said he is more of a second line guy. In
is prime. John Taveris is a really good example right
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now in Vegas, Jack Eichel considered a first line center.
So I don't know if people in Detroit buy into that,
but I think they're waiting for something. And I can
understand why because it's been nine years since this team
has made the playoffs and Dylan Larkin's loan playoff appearing
was as a rookie. They're trying to figure out is
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he the guy to lead this team back to the
Promised Land? Does he get enough credit? Most people outside
of Detroit would say no, People inside Detroit would say, yeah,
he gets plenty because he's the captain of the Red
Wings and he hasn't led them to where we expect
him to lead them. Well, there's a new podcast now
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with the Kochuck brothers, Matt and Brady Kuchuk. They talked
about Dylan Larkin specifically because they had a chance to
play with him on Team USA and were impressed. You know, sometimes,
unless you get to know somebody, unless you're actually around
them for a while, do you truly appreciate who they
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are and like who they are. It seems like that's
how the Kuchucks feel about Dylan Larkin. This is what
they had to say on their podcast about it.
Speaker 7 (33:58):
He started off as I think fourth line right or
left wing. One of the best players in hockey and
an incredible teammate, incredible leader, just great, great, great guy.
One of our best players, like by the end of
the NFL.
Speaker 4 (34:12):
So it shows like I feel like he shows like
a special player when he can play with like legit
anybody and just and still be at his best like
that takes no versatility, and he's one of the most
first fatile guys in the NHL.
Speaker 1 (34:25):
He might have so lai so fun to share with him.
Speaker 2 (34:27):
He took your.
Speaker 8 (34:28):
Spot, I got hurt. Yeah, and yeah he played everywhere.
He was great, fun player to watch on one guy too.
I learned a lot from watching him how good he
was in practice. I was like, damn, like this guy.
Like that's why I don't wish all these teams in
the league can play in playoffs, because I feel like
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he's a guy like if he's he's in playoffs, people
just realize how good he is.
Speaker 2 (34:54):
Isn't that interesting?
Speaker 1 (34:56):
Yeah?
Speaker 2 (34:57):
Really, I think it's forced me. It's another great example
of people, I'm gonna put myself in that bucket. Okay,
people who don't necessarily know the sport, like obviously these
guys do, never played this sport at a high level
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like these guys do, but think they know until you're
around somebody, you know. Let me just digress for a minute.
When we look at certain quarterbacks in the National Football League,
Archie Manning's a great example way back in the day,
or whomever. That's Stafford while he was here in Detroit.
(35:40):
A lot of times we'll say, yeah, but they didn't
have anybody around them. Did Philip Rivers have enough talent
around him? Does Josh Allen have enough talent around him?
We were talking about this last night. I'm watching the
football game. I'm talking with somebody. I'm like, you know
what I mean. So they said, he's never really had
a one. I'm like, we only did have Stefan Diggs,
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who's turned out to be a pretty good player in
New England. Right, But you know, but I get it.
People said the same thing about Tom Brady until Randy
Moss got there. I always mentioned, you've got Rob Gronkowski,
who's considered one of the better tight ends in history.
But you want more, right, I get it. Why are
the Lions so successful? Trent? Look at the girth of
talent that that franchise has.
Speaker 6 (36:22):
Right now, Okay, you can have a game where Jamison
Williams catches zero balls and still the Lions win huge,
you know, and still.
Speaker 2 (36:30):
Beat the crap out of the other team. So you
need some players around it. Have we done that enough
with Dylan Larkin?
Speaker 1 (36:39):
I would say no.
Speaker 2 (36:41):
I would say no as well. Now, how much does
that matter? That's what I'm That's what I'm trying to
figure out. How much does it matter that he has
enough or not enough talent to be successful? I mean,
this is a guy when to remind ourselves, he was
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part of Team USA and the U seventeen and one
of Bronze. He was part of Team USA and the
U eighteen Championships in Finland and won of gold. He
was part of the World Championships in twenty fifteen in
the Czech Republic, one of Bronze, part of the World
Championships in twenty eighteen in Denmark, and one of Bronze.
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Was part of what you know, the United States did
this past year and what we would consider one of
the more enjoyable experiences in the National Hockey League and
really forced other sports to take a long look at
it and what they did mid season. And that's what
the Chucks were. K Chucks were talking about that during
(37:46):
that what was it called the Four Nations Tournament?
Speaker 6 (37:48):
Right, four Nations Classic or four Nations during the Four
Nations Classic.
Speaker 2 (37:51):
Yeah, the k Chucks are recognized. And I've said this
at nauseum forever. It's hard to impress. Been there, done that, right,
They've seen it. They're watching Dylan Larkin practice and lead
and they're like, ooh, I need to know more about this, dude.
Speaker 6 (38:09):
There's something about sharing the ice with somebody, right.
Speaker 1 (38:13):
And nobody else about him being in the locker room. Yeah,
just such a difference.
Speaker 2 (38:18):
I hope we take a look at this and recognize it.
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Where are we at in society today? Come after me.
I'm a man, I'm forty.
Speaker 2 (00:22):
Go ahead, make my.
Speaker 3 (00:25):
Day every single week. I put my freaking heart and
soul into this. I don't go out there and laugh.
It's not funny. Nothing's funny to me. I don't want
to go out there and get embarrassed on Monday night
football fun of everybody.
Speaker 2 (00:35):
I think this at the beginning of a beautiful friendship.
Speaker 3 (00:38):
So I ain't nothing changed from yesterday.
Speaker 4 (00:41):
Still the same person I was yesterday, and I got
the same thing for you that I had yesterday.
Speaker 2 (00:47):
You know why I'm here.
Speaker 5 (00:49):
You play to win the game. You don't play to
just play it. That's a great thing about sports. You
play to win, and I don't care if you don't
have any whis do you go play to win? When
you start telling me it doesn't matter, you re time,
get out for the matter.
Speaker 2 (01:11):
This is a busy, very busy, but fun filled Friday.
It's a fairest coffee Friday. Hi everyone, welcome, Glad you're
with us on Excess and Bros throughout the state of Michigan.
I'm Matt Shephard. Trent Bally is back. Good have Trent back.
Did Brett Hayes appreciate all his hard work? Yesterday? Trent
is back from visiting some friends who came as a
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surprise birthday party present for him. How was it? Oh?
Speaker 6 (01:37):
It was awesome. I mean, I come to ask for more.
We went downtown, had a good time, did a little
bar crawl. It was great, one of the better birthdays
I've had, honestly, shepp was fun.
Speaker 2 (01:46):
Would you get and you went out to dinner? I would?
I would assume yes, we did.
Speaker 6 (01:50):
We went to Manelli's, which is a local you know,
no free ads, of course, but it's a local establishment
in Grandville.
Speaker 2 (01:56):
Okay, all right? So it was downtown Granville or downtown
Grand Rapids.
Speaker 1 (02:01):
Dinner was in Grandville, bark crawl was in Grand Rapids.
Speaker 2 (02:04):
Got you all right recovered yet or still a little foggy?
Speaker 1 (02:09):
Drag it a little bit? But I'm ready to go
this morning.
Speaker 2 (02:13):
And what was the topic of discussion with you and
your buddies from last night?
Speaker 4 (02:18):
Oh?
Speaker 1 (02:18):
It's always sports, always.
Speaker 2 (02:20):
I know that. So that's why I asked. Okay, Lion's heavy.
Speaker 6 (02:24):
Lions heavy, trek scooble heavy, red wings heavy, that kind
of stuff, you know.
Speaker 2 (02:28):
Red wings heavy, that's interesting. And I assume you were
watching the game last night in which they won six
to three, yep, And it was a little bit of
a back and forth situation and they had John Gibson
polled and then eventually Cam Talbot comes in and gets
the job done and Alex Dabrinkt had two goals and
an assist and a six to three win to snap
a three game slide. Okay, So I'm always wondering about this.
(02:52):
Since you've been doing this show, have you become more
heads heart less or have you become more argumentative debatable
understanding changed your views on some of the things that
they have said that you might have agreed with before,
(03:14):
but now take a different tact and a different look
at it.
Speaker 6 (03:17):
Yeah, had first heart less, I will say for sure,
because shep you have changed my line of thought. Not
in a bad way, but just you know, when someone
says something and has a big opinion, my first thought
sometimes is to be critical is not the word, but
just to analyze it a little bit more and ask
them why they think that way.
Speaker 1 (03:37):
If that makes sense.
Speaker 2 (03:39):
Yeah, I appreciate that. I've I've done it probably too much,
so don't go too far. I have done that way
too often. I had a conversation with somebody yesterday who
again got a little hyperbolic. I thought one of my
new favorite words, and I got to stop using it.
But it's a You know, the two greatest athletes the
(03:59):
end has ever seen are Will Chamberlain and Lebron James.
And I said, that's an interesting take. I said, what
makes what makes you say that? And then they list
all the things that Will Chamberlain had done and I said, absolutely,
I get that. And then Lebron Jams said, you realize
how many great athletes there have been in the NBA.
(04:23):
I'll give you a quick example, not that this would
be an answer to it, but you know, Danny Ainge
played two professional sports, right like we make so much
of Dianon Sanders and Bo Jackson, and I get it.
Danny Ainge played basketball and major League baseball.
Speaker 1 (04:38):
Good one.
Speaker 2 (04:38):
I mean, we're not talking about Michael Jordan playing the
NBA and minor league baseball. Stop with the call up
to the White Sox, it was strictly a publicity stunt.
Stop it. Okay, he can't play professional baseball. But Charlie
Ward won a Heisman Trophy and played point guard for
the Knicks. You're aware of that we're talking about athletes here,
(04:59):
that's all. Okay, they're all athletic. I get that. Yeah,
I just found that interesting. And the Lebron James thing.
He went on to talk about all the great things
that Will Chamberlain had accomplished as an athlete prior to
the NBA, and then Lebron James. And if you're going
to say, well, Lebron James played wide receiver in high school,
(05:21):
find me an NBA player who didn't play another sport.
Speaker 1 (05:24):
Yeah, they all did, right, they were.
Speaker 2 (05:27):
Yeah, it wasn't pretty damn good at it, you know.
And then we're going to get into well, you know
a lot of NFL players say he could have played
in the NFL. Okay, do you know how many people
I run into say I could have done this? If?
It's endless? So that's the reason, you know, it was
probably a worthless debate. It's like what do you what
(05:52):
are you doing? Why are you wasting the time doing it?
Speaker 6 (05:54):
But that's a great example because like doing the show
with you every morning to answer the question originally like
that's that, It's just how my brain has sort of
shifted a little bit. You know, when someone says something
like that, you're instantly like, why do you think that?
Speaker 2 (06:08):
Yeah, I'm always interested not to run into a debate here,
but I'm always interested on why. Yeah, why do you feel.
Speaker 1 (06:16):
Like I'm not saying you're wrong? I just want to roll.
Speaker 2 (06:18):
One exactly right. I'm not saying you're wrong. I can
tell you this. Michigan State has been right in playing
basketball this year. They burned San Jose State seventy nine
to sixty, third straight win for him. So the three
and oh, good for them. Jackson Cole has played really well, huh,
leading the spartan seventeen points, career best eighteen boards. Carson
Cooper dropped into career best seventeen points alt.
Speaker 1 (06:39):
The big men played well.
Speaker 2 (06:40):
Yeah, yeah, and now they get Kentucky next. Good for them.
You know, we'll play a little bit later on what
tom Izzo had to say in his post game. It
is fantastic. It is classic. It is something I wish
every single high school coach in America, and I don't
care what sport it is, every single high school coach
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in America would grab and play before every practice, in
every game, and maybe after every practice and every game.
Pistons are back on the floor tonight. They're dragging an
eight game winning streak with them. They're gonna host the Sixers.
Detroit beat Philly on the road last Sunday. NFL's Week
eleven started in Foxborough, Patriots rolling to their eighth straight win,
(07:26):
the last time they've won this many in a row.
Tom Brady was under center. They beat the Jets twenty
seven or fourteen. Trayvon Henderson rushes for two touchdowns, was
on the receiving end of Drake May's lone touchdown pass.
New England is nine and two. You want an eye
popping stat for you. The previous two years they were
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eight and twenty six, eight and twenty six and twenty three,
twenty four. Now nine and two, New York drops to
two and eight. That's that's incredible. I don't know if
Drake May is the MVP, and I'm okay saying that
you don't either. But I'll be damned if I'm going
(08:10):
to hear people talk about various names and not include
him to cases anybody, right, he looks as poised, calm
and efficient. It is just about any quarterup. Now. I
know you're gonna say chep, he's playing the Jets fair enough.
I'm just hoping that if you're going to use that argument,
(08:32):
the next time you, as a Lions fan, support Jared
Goff against the Washington Commanders, you say the same thing.
I just hope the next time you talk about Josh Allen,
you remember he went up against Miami and crapped his pants.
I just hope the next time you bring up a
(08:53):
specific player you've got the same criteria that you're using
for Drake May. All I'm asking is for balance, fairness,
and objectivity. Oh sorry, he's in his second year, Dan Marino.
It's not like this hasn't been done before. Okay, so
(09:14):
let's be careful when we're talking about that kind of stuff.
MVPs were announced last night in Major League Baseball. One surprise, one, historic,
amazing stuff. We'll get to that when we come back
on Exes and Bros. We're brought to you this first
hour by Mitch lions Wealth and Mitch Lionswealth dot Com
on a Faires Coffee Friday. Really good stuff coming up.
(09:37):
Rob Rubik's going to join us at seven thirty five.
Excited for that. Eight eighteen. Rob ellis from WVIP and
Philadelphia joins us from an Eagles perspective and an icon
analyst in college football. The great Gary Danielson joins us
at eight thirty five. All that plus you and your
informative objectivity throughout our show Friday Morning, back with you
(10:16):
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Some MVP voting taking place last night or accumulating last night,
and Aaron Judge walks away with another MVP, his third
in his last four years, won the batting title by
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hitting three thirty one mashed fifty three homers. He earned
seventeen first place votes. Cal Raley thirteen and now Judge
becomes the thirteenth player to ever win the award at
least three times in his career, and the fourth Yankee
to do with the Other Yankees were Yogi Bearra, who
won thirteen championships. By the way, never gets nearly enough
(11:00):
pub talk about greatest champions of all time? Bill Russell,
how come nobody says Yogi Barra thirteen? That's incredible. Joe DiMaggio,
Mickey Mantle all won it three times from More. Jose
Ramirez finished third, byby Wit Junior fourth. It's a good debate.
I'm sure people in Seattle yesterday and today we'll talk about, well,
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it's only because he's from New York. That's the field
that the Yankees create, and it quite honestly, it's unfair,
at least in this situation. I think it's unfair because
of how great a season. And you know me, I
don't use those words very often, how great, how great
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a season? Aaron Judge truly had. He hit three point
thirty one, which was twenty points clear of Bo Bishett,
who people want coming to Detroit. And I understand that.
So he wins a baddding title with it pretty damn good.
Love that right. His home runs of fifty three were
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fourth most in all of baseball, second in the American League.
Cal Raley had the most in baseball, and then went
Kyle Schwarber, who finished second to in the National League.
Then it was shoe Heotani, and then it was Aaron Judge.
So Aaron Judge was number one on average, number two
in homers in RBIs. He finished second in the American League. Okay,
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fifth in all of baseball. I don't know how to
put in a Johannio Suarez because he played for both
the American and the nationally. But Aaron Judge had one
hundred and fourteen ribis, so he's top five there. He
is second in total bases to show Heyotani, he was
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second in walks to Juan Soto. On base percentage, he
was number one in all of baseball. He was number
one in slugging, he was number one in ops, and
he was number one in war. I get why it
was such a close race because of how good cal
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Raleigh was this year. And I actually said when the
regular season ended, if I had to vote, and I don't,
I would have voted for cal Raleigh. And I probably
would have done that for a lot of reasons, but
probably first and foremost because of the position he plays,
the importance of his position and his defensive prowess. Did
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not allow a pass ball all season until the series
against Detroit in the playoffs, which was ironic because Dylan
Dingler hadn't allowed one either, but the same game they
both allowed their first. Anyway, I would have voted for
cal rot But I also said I would have no
problem if Aaron Judge was named MVP, and he earns that.
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He is so humble, and I think that's an endearing
quality for him. But the most endearing quality that he
has is he understands the weight of playing for the Yankees,
and it is it's different. It's got to be different.
I mean, you talk with players who have played there.
It is a different feel because of their history, the
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twenty seven World championships, most in any sport, the number
of massive names that have worn that same uniform. The
Garrigs and the Ruths, and the Whitey Fords as a pitcher,
the Jeters, the matting Lees, guys like that. Obviously DiMaggio
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obviously Mantle, all those types of guys. Okay, so it
is a different feel. But credit where credit is due.
The baseball writers actually, in all likelihood got this right.
It wasn't just because he played for the Yankees. It's
because of all the things that he has done. And
now we're watching pretty historic stuff from Aaron Judge. I
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don't know if this seals a Hall of Famer type
label that goes with him, but it's hard to deny
the company that he keeps his fifty three homers. He's
the fourth player with four seasons of at least fifty
home runs. We said this when it took place. It's
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amazing what he was able to do. And he does
it as the guy in that lineup. That's the other thing.
Like a year ago, you could say, okay, well, Jan
Sota was there helping him in the lineup. With all
due respect to certain guys, Ben Rice, who probably should
have won the Silver Slugger instead of Zach McKinstry, because
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look at his numbers across the board, number one in
just about every single category that people would use for
a Silver Slugger, But with all due respect to him,
how many guys in that Yankees lineup scare the hell
out of you? Not a ton. Cody Bellinger had a
nice year, but not a ton. Everybody's pitching him supposed
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to be pitching him differently, and it didn't matter with
three point thirty one and fifty three. So kudos to
a guy like Aaron Judge, who I think represents baseball
the right way, definitely represents the Yankees the right way
and is an incredible player. Meanwhile, the best player on
planet Earth and for some the best player you've ever seen,
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Shohyotani a unanimous choice for the National League MVP. It's
not surprising that he was named MVP. The unanimous part
is the amazing thing. He has been named MVP four
times in the last five years, and each time he's
done that he was unanimous. That's incredible. He's the only
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player among the four major sports to be named unanimous
MVP more than once. He's also the first athlete in
the four major sports to win the MVP and a
championship in his first two years with a team. I
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don't want to hear how well he's got a lot
of help. He had some help in Los Angeles too,
and they couldn't even make the playoffs, all right. And
I get the Dodgers have three of the top earning
pitchers in all of baseball. I get how great Mookie
Betts is not just as a baseball player, but as
a bowler and as a golfer. I get how great
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Freddie Freeman is and how clutch certain other players can be.
Tommy Edmond a year ago, Max Munsey this year, yes,
I understand all that. Will Smith this year truly one
of the better catchers in all of baseball. I'm just
saying that, dude, for him to be a unanimous choice
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four times in his career is something we've never seen before,
and we need not that you haven't already, but we
really need to appreciate it. Just simply spectacular. We thought,
I thought, you know, Barry Bonds locked in despite the
Royds and seven time MVP was something special. It was
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feel really fortunate to be able to see something like that. Seriously,
sometimes we need to just take a step back and
instead of every single day recognize, you know, just how
good certain guys are, even if their careers are continuing.
Let's not wait until after their life is over or
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their career is over. I'm sure people did that in
New York when Mickey Manno was playing. You know, when
he wins seven World Series five in his first five years,
when he's a twenty time All Star, when he's a
triple Crown winner, when he wins the MVP, and that's
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what he did, He won the MVP. It's sometimes I
still marvel at this. He won him back to back
seasons and by the time he was, you know, twenty
five years old, he had won what five World Series
two MVPs. Oh, and he also won you know how
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many batting titles in his career at least one batting
title during that time. I'm sure they were appreciating that.
I hope that while he is still playing, not that
we have to get super caught up in a moment
and say he's the best I've ever seen in any sport,
But sho hey Otani doing what he's doing, Let's appreciate
that for a while instead of what's his next at bat,
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Let's appreciate his current at bat and some of the
other things that he does with it. Really impressive stuff.
Here's our Mitch Lions well pull question of the day. Actually,
we'll get to that when we come back. We got
to hit a break. That's twenty eight after the hour,
Quick time out on exes and Bros. Stay with us,
Rob Rubick a little bit more than an hour from
now on a Ferris Coffee Friday. Pay back with you
(20:33):
on extras and bros throughout the state of Michigan. Thanks
for being with us on this Ferris Coffee Friday. We're
brought to you this hour by Mitch Lions and Mitch
Lions Wealth dot Com. By the way, we were just
talking about the MVP discussion, you know, with Shohi Otani,
and Aaron Judge. Some people may wonder, at least if
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you're a Tigers fan. I was wondering Trek Schoob will
receive any votes. Now, when you're a voter, get you
fill out a ballot of first, second, third, I think
it's up to ten, and then they tabulate points. So,
for example, Choeyotani received thirty first place votes. Okay, so
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no one else received any votes in the first place. Obviously,
Kyle Schwarber received twenty three second place votes. Juan Sota
received four second place votes. Geraldo Perdoma of Arizona received
three second place votes. I don't know how, but I mean,
obviously Arizona connection there, so you can go all the
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way down. Ellie de la Cruz, for example, received a
tenth place vote, so he received one point. So it
goes all the way up and down. Francisco Lindor Peede Alonzo,
you know, Freddie Freeman, Bryce Terrang, Nico Horner all receiving votes,
not first place votes, but at some point up to
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you know, between a second place in a tenth place vote.
In the American League, only two players received first place votes,
Aaron Judge seventeen and then Cal Raley thirteen and then
they flipped for second place. Nobody else received second place votes.
The most third place votes was Jose Ramirez and that's
why he was finished third. He had nineteen third place votes,
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and then Bobby Witt received nineteen fourth place votes. Where
do you think Tarek's Schooble finished in the MVP? Voting
of again points first through tenth, and then the number
of votes you get are tabulated with a certain number
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of points. Aaron Judge seventeen first place votes thirteen second
place votes gave him a total point total of three
hundred and fifty five. Okay, so I'm not asking for
his point total. Where do you think Tarrek Scooble finished
when it went Judge, Raleigh, Ramirez, Witt Junior, and then
(23:06):
other players who may have received so for example, I.
Speaker 6 (23:09):
Would sure Holt middle of the pack. I would hope
five or six, five or six?
Speaker 2 (23:15):
Yeah, okay. Because Jacob Wilson finished with one tenth place vote,
Tarrek Schoubel finished.
Speaker 1 (23:24):
Fifth, Okay, Okay, I think that's fair.
Speaker 2 (23:29):
He received one third place vote, two fourth place votes,
seven fifth place votes, ten sixth place votes, four seventh
place votes, and three eighth place votes. Not bad. He
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finished ahead of Gulio Rodriguez, ahead of George Springer. Obviously,
I had of Garrett Crochet, who he beat for the
Cy Young ahead of Jeremy Panya and Byron Buxton and
Nick Kurtz and Vladimir Guerrero Junior and Cody Bellinger and
Mike el Garcia and Bob Baschett and Riley Greene who
finished Oh my god with one ninth place in one
(24:11):
tenth place vote. I know.
Speaker 1 (24:17):
That the second half of the season killed him.
Speaker 2 (24:20):
Yeah, like he was ever in the discussion, but he
received some votes. I mean you can say something like that, Yeah.
Speaker 1 (24:26):
You can hang your hat on that. Sure.
Speaker 2 (24:27):
Well yeah, Look it's another example, Trent that strikeouts have
become an afterthought. And if you don't believe me, Kyle
Schwarber finished second in the National League MVP vote. Look
(24:48):
at the number of strikeouts Kyle Schwarber had so and
I like him, don't get me wrong, me too, But
he was right behind Riley green We always talk about
Riley green Oh my god, two hundred one strikeouts? How
many is too many? Is what I always ask people. Okay,
I think anything over one hundred and fifty is ridiculous
(25:09):
at the major league level. Same, Okay, on the other hand,
here's what players would argue against me. And I've had
this debate with him. You're seeing Derek Scubel for six innings.
Then you're seeing nasty pitcher. Nasty pitcher, nasty pitcher with
different stuff, fresh arms and all different arm angles.
Speaker 6 (25:28):
But still, if you're one fifty plus, you're close to
once a game that you're striking out.
Speaker 1 (25:33):
That's tough.
Speaker 2 (25:34):
Yeah, one hundred percent. And I'm again, I am not
a guy who is trying to convince you that you
have to be the second coming of Tony Gwynn. Okay,
I'm not doing that. I used to do that, but
I'm not doing that. And I would remind you that
Tony Gwinn never struck out more than forty times in
a season. Wow, that year he batted three thirteen. I
(25:56):
might add he also walked fifty one times. That year
he walked fifty one. He struck out forty, he batted
three thirteen.
Speaker 1 (26:07):
It's a lot of hits.
Speaker 2 (26:10):
And he had one hundred and sixty three hits. Okay, Oh,
how great of a hitter was he? It's two hundred
it's two hundred on a regular basis, all right, two thirteen,
one ninety seven, two eleven, two eighteen, two oh three,
one ninety seven. Okay, up and down his resume anyway,
I'm not trying to do that. But when we talk
about strikeouts, Riley Green's getting MVP votes, I know, ninth
(26:34):
and tenth place. There's still votes, ninth and tenth place votes.
Kyle schwarverz finishing second. And these two guys are two
of the top three strikeout leaders in baseball. Aaron Judge
won an MVP and I think he's a great player.
I do, and I hope I would hope you would
(26:56):
agree with that.
Speaker 1 (26:56):
Probably a Hall of famer, Yep.
Speaker 2 (26:58):
Yeah, he probably is. He's probably a Hall of famer.
He struck out over two hundred times. Yeah, okay, so
all I'm telling you and Kyle Schwarber's been in that. Look,
how many times do people say to me and you
during the off season or during the regular season, I
should say, near the trade deadline, let's go get Ajuhanneo Suarez.
Speaker 1 (27:21):
Oh, that was the number one name you heard of?
Okay with the Tigers.
Speaker 2 (27:24):
Yeah, in twenty twenty three, au Haneo Suarez finished second
to Kyle Schwarber. I might add in strikeouts, with two
hundred and fourteen, he had more than Riley Green. Oh
my gosh. Yes, he's a guy who strikes out a lot,
(27:44):
but he homers a lot. I have this debate with
the number of my baseball friends, and it's a fun discussion.
They want to see home runs.
Speaker 1 (27:55):
That's what it is.
Speaker 6 (27:56):
People are willing to overlook your flaws, overlook your war
if you're homering, if you're homering and hitting for power consistently.
Speaker 2 (28:04):
Yeah, So that's basically it. I say, So you want
a guy like that, but you but you're gonna complain
about Ryley Green. Understand this dude strikes out a lot, Yeah,
but he homers a lot. I said, Okay, give me
the difference. I want to know how many home runs
a guy has to hit for you to accept and
swallow two hundred home two hundred strikeouts, that's all I'm asking. Yep,
(28:25):
that's what I That's what I would love to know.
Speaker 1 (28:27):
I And that's a fair question.
Speaker 2 (28:28):
How much is enough for you to realize, Okay, I
can live with the strikeouts. Aaron Judge one hundred and
seventy one hitting fifty eight homers. Okay, that's cool because
he led the league in homers, but he led the
league of strikeouts too.
Speaker 1 (28:45):
It's almost like different sport.
Speaker 6 (28:47):
But it's almost like Luka Doncic in the NBA because
he's so bad defensively, but he's so great offensively. So
how much are you willing to put up with that
bad defense for his offensive output?
Speaker 2 (28:57):
One hundred percent? Well said, I use it's this example.
The other day, Cad Cunningham missed more shots in a
single game than any player since the seventy six seventy
seven merger. Thirty one, right, but he scored forty one.
He had a triple double.
Speaker 1 (29:15):
Forty six I thought, or forty five, wasn't it.
Speaker 2 (29:20):
Oh he scored forty five?
Speaker 1 (29:21):
Yeah, I think so.
Speaker 2 (29:22):
He scored forty five, had a triple double, and was
simply spectacular for the team for the most part, because
they won in overtime. It was against Washington. Because they won.
The people in general their thought was, well, somebody had
to take the shots. Fair enough, you got five guys
(29:43):
on the floor, somebody's got to shoot them. What if
they're missing them, though, what are you saying if they
lost the game? That's what I'm wondering. So how consistent
are we going to be with that? I'm not saying
that Riley Green's two hundred and one strikeouts were acceptable, No,
(30:05):
not by any stretch. I'm just asking people when you
look at a baseball game or a player and you
see his flaws, Riley Green with the uppercut swing, now
looking for a launch angle, analytics looking for home runs
thirty eight? Right, the strikeouts were too much.
Speaker 6 (30:25):
If you can lead the league in strikeouts and still
get MVP votes albeit ninth and tenth, right, what does
that say about where the sport is?
Speaker 2 (30:33):
If you can lead the National League in strikeouts like
Kyle Schwarber did, and lead all of baseball and home runs,
why are you overlooking the strikeouts at one hundred and
ninety seven and only focusing on the home runs?
Speaker 1 (30:50):
A positive?
Speaker 2 (30:51):
Yeah? Yeah, So those are the things that I contemplate
just a little bit. Anyway, I wanted to let you
know that some Tigers did get some MVP votes all
right last night? Good win for the Red Wings. I mean,
at times a little shaky up. They got they got
the lead, they give it back. They got the lead,
they give it back. A lot of power play opportunities,
(31:11):
a good win for Detroit in general.
Speaker 1 (31:13):
Back on track?
Speaker 2 (31:14):
Yeah, well you hope, So, yeah, that's a good question.
Is one win snapping a three game losing streak. It's
not like it's, you know, a death blow, But is
one win back on track? I don't know, but I
do know they played a better style of hockey last night.
(31:36):
And look, twenty five saves combined by the two goalies,
so there wasn't a ton of shots. Dylan Larkin had
a multi point game. He's one of six Red Wings
to have a multi point game. He had a goal
and an assist. So the big question oftentimes that surrounds
Dylan Larkin, who I like a lot, and people happen
(31:59):
to wonder is he a first line center? Is he?
Nathan McKinnon's a first line center. Connor McDavid's a first
line center. Connor Bedard's a first line center. Right, you
understand all that they hope in San Jose Maclin Celebrini
is a first line center. He sure as hell is
(32:21):
playing one right now. Leo Carlson Anaheim, you saw him
last night. He's a first line center. Is Dylan Larkin?
Most people, including yours truly have said he's not. I've
said he is more of a second line guy. In
is prime. John Taveris is a really good example right
(32:42):
now in Vegas, Jack Eichel considered a first line center.
So I don't know if people in Detroit buy into that,
but I think they're waiting for something. And I can
understand why because it's been nine years since this team
has made the playoffs and Dylan Larkin's loan playoff appearing
was as a rookie. They're trying to figure out is
(33:04):
he the guy to lead this team back to the
Promised Land? Does he get enough credit? Most people outside
of Detroit would say no, People inside Detroit would say, yeah,
he gets plenty because he's the captain of the Red
Wings and he hasn't led them to where we expect
him to lead them. Well, there's a new podcast now
(33:27):
with the Kochuck brothers, Matt and Brady Kuchuk. They talked
about Dylan Larkin specifically because they had a chance to
play with him on Team USA and were impressed. You know, sometimes,
unless you get to know somebody, unless you're actually around
them for a while, do you truly appreciate who they
(33:49):
are and like who they are. It seems like that's
how the Kuchucks feel about Dylan Larkin. This is what
they had to say on their podcast about it.
Speaker 7 (33:58):
He started off as I think fourth line right or
left wing. One of the best players in hockey and
an incredible teammate, incredible leader, just great, great, great guy.
One of our best players, like by the end of
the NFL.
Speaker 4 (34:12):
So it shows like I feel like he shows like
a special player when he can play with like legit
anybody and just and still be at his best like
that takes no versatility, and he's one of the most
first fatile guys in the NHL.
Speaker 1 (34:25):
He might have so lai so fun to share with him.
Speaker 2 (34:27):
He took your.
Speaker 8 (34:28):
Spot, I got hurt. Yeah, and yeah he played everywhere.
He was great, fun player to watch on one guy too.
I learned a lot from watching him how good he
was in practice. I was like, damn, like this guy.
Like that's why I don't wish all these teams in
the league can play in playoffs, because I feel like
(34:49):
he's a guy like if he's he's in playoffs, people
just realize how good he is.
Speaker 2 (34:54):
Isn't that interesting?
Speaker 1 (34:56):
Yeah?
Speaker 2 (34:57):
Really, I think it's forced me. It's another great example
of people, I'm gonna put myself in that bucket. Okay,
people who don't necessarily know the sport, like obviously these
guys do, never played this sport at a high level
(35:18):
like these guys do, but think they know until you're
around somebody, you know. Let me just digress for a minute.
When we look at certain quarterbacks in the National Football League,
Archie Manning's a great example way back in the day,
or whomever. That's Stafford while he was here in Detroit.
(35:40):
A lot of times we'll say, yeah, but they didn't
have anybody around them. Did Philip Rivers have enough talent
around him? Does Josh Allen have enough talent around him?
We were talking about this last night. I'm watching the
football game. I'm talking with somebody. I'm like, you know
what I mean. So they said, he's never really had
a one. I'm like, we only did have Stefan Diggs,
(36:03):
who's turned out to be a pretty good player in
New England. Right, But you know, but I get it.
People said the same thing about Tom Brady until Randy
Moss got there. I always mentioned, you've got Rob Gronkowski,
who's considered one of the better tight ends in history.
But you want more, right, I get it. Why are
the Lions so successful? Trent? Look at the girth of
talent that that franchise has.
Speaker 6 (36:22):
Right now, Okay, you can have a game where Jamison
Williams catches zero balls and still the Lions win huge,
you know, and still.
Speaker 2 (36:30):
Beat the crap out of the other team. So you
need some players around it. Have we done that enough
with Dylan Larkin?
Speaker 1 (36:39):
I would say no.
Speaker 2 (36:41):
I would say no as well. Now, how much does
that matter? That's what I'm That's what I'm trying to
figure out. How much does it matter that he has
enough or not enough talent to be successful? I mean,
this is a guy when to remind ourselves, he was
(37:01):
part of Team USA and the U seventeen and one
of Bronze. He was part of Team USA and the
U eighteen Championships in Finland and won of gold. He
was part of the World Championships in twenty fifteen in
the Czech Republic, one of Bronze, part of the World
Championships in twenty eighteen in Denmark, and one of Bronze.
(37:23):
Was part of what you know, the United States did
this past year and what we would consider one of
the more enjoyable experiences in the National Hockey League and
really forced other sports to take a long look at
it and what they did mid season. And that's what
the Chucks were. K Chucks were talking about that during
(37:46):
that what was it called the Four Nations Tournament?
Speaker 6 (37:48):
Right, four Nations Classic or four Nations during the Four
Nations Classic.
Speaker 2 (37:51):
Yeah, the k Chucks are recognized. And I've said this
at nauseum forever. It's hard to impress. Been there, done that, right,
They've seen it. They're watching Dylan Larkin practice and lead
and they're like, ooh, I need to know more about this, dude.
Speaker 6 (38:09):
There's something about sharing the ice with somebody, right.
Speaker 1 (38:13):
And nobody else about him being in the locker room. Yeah,
just such a difference.
Speaker 2 (38:18):
I hope we take a look at this and recognize it.
I know we're late for a break. We'll hit a
break here bottom of the seven o'clock cower. Rob Rubik's
going to join us. Excited for that. It's What's Bruined
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(38:39):
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