November 4, 2025 • 38 mins
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Piston's winners over Memphis last night one fourteen one oh
six Sure Kate Cunningham third had thirty three, Asia Stewart
really the best player twenty six and fourteen. Michigan blows
out Oakland one twenty one, seventy eight Wolverine score a
school record sixty nine points in the first half. Michigan
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sixty nine. Trek School's a finalist for the American League
cy Young Award. If he wins, he'll be the first
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own Hunter Brown. Cardinals beat the Cowboys last night twenty
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seven to seventeen. Let's get to the text line. I mean,
Texas Sports Radio twenty one thousand. We've been talking a
lot about Lions trade deadline day today, why Brad Holmes
has to make them move. Go ahead, Trent.
Speaker 3 (02:02):
Can Frank ragnow, please just come back.
Speaker 2 (02:04):
Before we do this. Before we do this, you wanted
to say something just prior to the break, So I
want to make sure we gave you some platform.
Speaker 3 (02:10):
Oh you're fine, No, just along those lines that you
were talking about. I just wanted to ask you because
I agreed with everything you're saying, but the hesitancy to
give up a first round pick potentially?
Speaker 4 (02:20):
Yeah?
Speaker 3 (02:20):
How many more starters do you think this team's going
to draft? Like, I think the team's pretty complete, so
I don't please.
Speaker 2 (02:28):
It's complete for right now. But Brad Holmes, I think
part of his history is this, He's always looking ahead,
all right?
Speaker 3 (02:39):
Yeah?
Speaker 2 (02:40):
Would you admit would you feel comfortable with Taylor Decker
starting seventeen games next year? No? I would not. Do
you think Graham Glasgow is going to be back at
center next year? Rat Ledge is probably going to move
over unless you think Miles Frasier is going to be
the starting guard. It's a fifth round pick when he
hasn't played at all. I think that's a dangerous assumption.
Speaker 3 (03:00):
Agreed.
Speaker 2 (03:01):
Now, maybe look, and I think somebody has sent us
this text before. I think it's Freddy where it's Giovanni Manu.
I mean, look, you trade it up to get him
in the fourth round. He better be your left tackle,
right and better perform. But if he's not, you better
have a backup plan, right, I would hope. So, so
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you're gonna need some I'm not saying you're gonna draft
him in the first round. You're gonna need a linebacker.
I'm assuming that Alexandzeloni the reason they didn't extend him,
the reason they gave him some money is because they're
saving some of that money for a guy like Jack Campbell. Okay,
I could be wrong there, but if you talk about
anybody who's produced, that dude's produced.
Speaker 3 (03:42):
And if you, son of a bitch, if you look
at Brad Holmes track record, you're right, i'mking that's what
it seems like.
Speaker 2 (03:49):
Yes, right, So there's that. So there's three positions right there.
And then eventually, I mean we all know, I mean,
do you do you feel good about drafting a backup
quarterback in the fifth round? All I'm talking about are
a few certain positions that you're going to need depth
that or a starter. Not to mention the fact that
you have to plan too, just in case. What if
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enis Rakestraw can't play again. He's been a complete bust
as a second round choice. So you need is a
Meek Robertson coming back. Like we look at just the starters,
and Meek Robertson has become a starting cornerback, he's a
starting nickelback. What if he doesn't come back, don't you
think you need another corner, and I would say yes,
considering I can't count on enis Rakestraw, So I mean
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those are That's where my head goes anyway. And again
I'm not saying it's just the first round, but knowing
that you have limited picks, right, Philadelphia gave up a
third round pick, they still have another third round pick
next year. Yes, I saw some type of graphic yesterday
where they've got a ton of picks next year. Howie
Roseman really is a genius of a general manager. He's
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a hell of a GM. He's improving his team. He
got Brandon Graham back, Zadarius Smith retired, and they're like,
that's okay, trade for Jalen Phillips. I would I hope
the Lions. I think they need to make a couple
of moves me too. I just don't know what it's
going to take to get the complimentary players. We want
the names Trent, we want Trey Hendrickson, we want a
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Max Crosby. Guess what, It's really hard to maneuver that
type of deal and surrender as much as you're going
to have to surrender. And it's not just the draft picks,
it's the fact that the cap space then takes up
so much room you can't sign the other guys you
feel are important to the forward motion of your team.
Speaker 3 (05:41):
And by the way, shep, I think those draft picks
are very important. I agree with you. I just find
it interesting that, like, if someone were to debate us
on this and say, hey, to hell with the first
round picks, go all in for this year, I would understand.
Speaker 2 (05:54):
I do too. I do too because and if Brad
Holmes were to do something like that. I'm from various
general managers in this town about we're trying to build
long term. Steve Eiserman said it for the Red Wings.
We don't want to be a Stanley Cup contender for
just one year. We want it to be a consistent thing.
I'm summarizing here. Scott Harris said the same thing with
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the Tigers. Trajan Langdon has alluded to something similar with
the Pistons. Here's the problem with that message, and it's
a proper message. I would feel the same way. I
don't want to be a flash in the pan. You
want to be able to compete long term. I understand
that the problem is when the fan base of all
those four teams and whether you go down to Little
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Caesars for every Red Wings game or not, whether you're
there to watch the Pistons play Orlando at the beginning
of the season and Cleveland at the end of the
season or not, whether you're a season ticket holder for
the Lions. What matters is you like all your teams.
Here's the issue. You're hearing that from everybody, but you're
not seeing the benefits of it. It's great to make
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the playoffs for the Pistons last year. Don't tell me
your expectations haven't risen with that team. It's great that
the Tigers made the playoffs two years ago, but this
past season was a disappointment. You expect more from the
Red Wings, but you sure don't expect him to win
the tough Atlantic Division, but you'd love to see him
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make the playoffs. That will change the following year because
of your younger players and the fact that you'll lose
contracts like Justin Hole and Ben Schabat Sharrat rather and
then you'll have only one more year left of you
know what has been so far a disappointment in one
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of the your forwards. Okay, so you get an opportunity there. Expectations, Yeah,
the expectation. You always say that, So there's all part
of it. When you're hearing Eiserman say it and it's
not coming to fruition, Langdon alluding to it, and it's
not coming to fruition, Scott Harris saying it and not
doing anything about it, right, and now the Lion's doing it.
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You're asking yourself out loud, can somebody, somebody please make
a move to give us a championship? That's what you're
hoping for. At least that's my take. So I understand
all of it. I understand that people are, you know,
pretty excited, but also feel like there's something that has
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to be done. I don't disagree with that.
Speaker 3 (08:30):
Yeah, I don't want to say a patience, but that's
kind of how it feels, you know, And maybe it's
Warrnton agreed.
Speaker 2 (08:35):
Yeah, all I'm asking is you got to have an
understanding of what and then you at least to have
a peak of the future. And by the way, Andrew
copp is the forward I was referring to with the
Red Wings, You've got to have at least a peek
at the future. You can't always live in the moment.
It's not an easy thing. To do and it's a
dangerous place to be. We'll get to some of your
texts when we come back. And again, a great Iger's
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professional athlete is I think disrespected yet again. We'll get
to that when we come back. On Exus and Bros.
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Speaker 3 (10:01):
Can Frank ragnow police just come back? I think an
underdiscussed flaw in Goff's game is presser up the middle.
Ragnow was worth his weight in Gold one. That's a
lot of weight.
Speaker 2 (10:10):
YEP couldn't have sent it better. Yeah, I'm sure a
lot of guys stay in really good shape. I had
a conversation last week with Rob Simms. He played guard
for the Lions. He started forty games at Ohio State.
He started as a freshman on a national championship team
at nineteen years old. He was starting, he was at
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one point three hundred and thirty five pounds. I believe
he's I think the highest weight he got in the
NFL was like three and a quarter. He's down to
two fifty and now he's been out of the game
for a while. I don't know what Frank Ragnow looks
like now. Earlier in the season, I would have said,
please bring him back, do everything you can. We'll let
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you practice only when you want to in the week,
because he's the kind of guy as a leader and
a captain who wouldn't abuse that privilege. It would have
been awesome to have him back now midway through a season,
not knowing what he would be doing during the season,
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Like is he staying in shape? I'm sure he's staying
in shape, but what if he's lost a lot of weight.
I just don't see that, unfortunately, But you're right, I
wish he would be. I mean, if you're asking for
one guy to come back to a team, that would
be it. Yeah.
Speaker 3 (11:32):
I still want to shout out Peter from yesterday because
that text was awesome about Kevin Zeidler, because.
Speaker 2 (11:38):
Yeah, yeah, and people are picking that up now. I
don't know, like Kevin Zeitler. I think it was a
nine million dollar deal. Detroit and Zeitler were a couple
of million dollars apart. It's not like he didn't want
to stay here, and it's not like Detroit didn't want him.
It's just the money didn't work out. He wanted to
be closer to home, I believe. So you go down
to Tennessee. It hasn't worked out there. If Tennessee he
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can get a mid round pick, a fourth or a
fifth round pick, you get an automatic starter coming back
and a guy who's used to I would guess a
lot of the terminology. Yeah, familiar face, you know, and yeah.
But so then you have to ask your question, would
he play right guard? What do you do with Tate Ratledge,
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could he play left guard? Could he play Could you
have Ratlage moved to center eventually?
Speaker 3 (12:29):
I would be right, Yeah, I would love if they
moved him to center if if he's ready for it,
that's the key.
Speaker 2 (12:36):
So you you would love that, as would I, because
that's where they envisioned him long term, at least that's
what they told us during training.
Speaker 3 (12:42):
Game and Glasgow was not really cutting it right now. Okay,
let's just be honest.
Speaker 2 (12:46):
But we but let's be honest about this too, neither you.
And by the way, that's one game from Graham Glasgow.
He's pretty damn good against Cincinnati. He was pretty damnod
against Cleveland. He's pretty damn good against Tampa. But I
would just say this, You and I don't know what
it takes for Tate Ratledge to move from right guard
to center.
Speaker 3 (13:01):
Correct.
Speaker 2 (13:02):
Do you feel comfortable with a rookie who's never played
the position making all the line calls?
Speaker 3 (13:09):
The answers probably know, Okay, and I don't think it's
realistic to expect that Coupen.
Speaker 2 (13:14):
Don't get caught up in change for change sake. Yeah,
you've got to have a plan, but the plan has
to be well thought out. Just moving pieces around and
changing more than one position can be just as bad,
if not worse then not doing anything at all.
Speaker 3 (13:35):
Well, you also, to your point, Chef, you don't want
to overreact to one bad game. You don't want to
overcorrect things right for let's.
Speaker 2 (13:43):
Just say, let's say, for sake of argument, you traded
for Zeitdler. It would be great. He was fantastic at
right guard. So there's a new person at right guard,
even though him and Sewell have a great connection. So
what would be the big deal. Yeah, but remember I
said guards and centers are oftentimes tagged even together as
much as guards and tackles. So you got a new
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person at right guard, Ratledge takes over at center. That's new.
Glasgow is at left guard. That's new, not new completely,
but it is new. Or if you went Zeitlert right guard,
it's Ratledge at left guard again to new positions. Either way,
it's going to be a shuffle. You have to do
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what is best for the unit and best instead of
what's best for each individual.
Speaker 3 (14:33):
Well, and it also can't be undersold that it is
a new offense. If Zeitler came back, It's not like
he's coming back into Ben Johnson's offense. He's coming into
John Morton's offense. And I'm not acting like that saying
maybe there's not a huge difference there in some of
the terminology. I don't know. I'm just to your.
Speaker 2 (14:49):
Pointing some difference. He's gotta be some difference.
Speaker 4 (14:51):
Yah.
Speaker 2 (14:51):
To your point about otherwise, I mean you're otherwise. You
got Ben Johnson, and Ben Johnson would know how to
defend it left and right. So you better be different. Yeah, yeah,
it's better be different. And I do believe it's not
that it's not needed. I'm just saying you've got to
look at all those things. Oh sorry, Graham Glasgow is
not cutting it. He didn't play well against Minnesota. You
know who, Waltz didn't play well against Minnesota. Anybody on
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the art pretty much everybody. And he's an easy target.
He's an easy target because he's replacing one of the
best centers the Lions have ever had, and the pressure
came from up the middle. But Mahogany was there, Ratledge
was there. Penney Sewell didn't have a great game, by
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the way, that's the second game that he hasn't played great.
Taylor Decker didn't have a great game. All of that,
all right, I'm not going to pin it on just
one guy. If that offensive line plays together and they're
playing well, they deserve credit, all of them. If that
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offensive line plays together and they're playing poorly, they deserve criticism. Yep,
all of them. Back to the text line, go ahead.
Speaker 3 (16:03):
If we're not all in right now, then when will
we be?
Speaker 2 (16:07):
So? Yeah, I get it. Do you think in order
for a franchise to prove to you they're all in,
they have to sacrifice the future and live for the now.
If you believe your team is all in the only
way they can prove it to you is by making trades.
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What makes you think they're not all in?
Speaker 4 (16:34):
Like?
Speaker 2 (16:34):
What do you honestly believe that Brad Holmes drives home
at night and says, I'm fine if we win twelve
games and don't make the playoffs. Come on, Just because
you're not doing something doesn't mean that you're not all in? Now?
Would we like more to be done? Absolutely? I don't.
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I'm gonna be honest with you, folks, and I think
you've got to be honest with yourself too. I don't
know how how good Kyote Awasaka is I don't know
a damn thing about Kingsley Aguacam or Michael Nice. I
don't those are backup offensive lineman who I had to
look up. Okay, I don't know how good they are.
We don't either. It's it's the same thing with the
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Legion of Whom against Tampa? Did you know any of
those players? No? You did not. Did they surprise you
one hundred percent? Doesn't mean I want him starting every game? Okay,
no way, but we were unaware. I guess part of
the trust you have in any organization, and this is
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a dangerous thing. It's a scary thing for you and I.
Part of the trust is what you know your personnel
and you're able to put your personnel in the right
places at the right time. Now, we want names. We
want a recognizable name. Evan Neil was a first round pick,
let's go get them. Andrew Wiley, He's played on a
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couple of Kansas City Super Bowl Then why hasn't he
started every game for Washington? Who's worse than you? I'm
just asking why do we want names? Because we recognize them?
Because you know why, because they start for those other
teams and we think in order to improve our team,
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we need somebody else's starter. Have we ever given thought
that maybe our backup is better than a bad team starter?
And let's face it, that's who you're getting it from.
You're getting from a bad team. You're getting a starter
from a bad team. Yes, sellers, yes, sellers. You know
times that decide, you know they're season's over. They might
as well move some of these guys and get some compensation. Trent,
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if I gave you Mohammad's numbers and Phillips's numbers, and
I put a blindfold on you, and I didn't tell
you the names of the players, I just gave you
their numbers, just their statistics, you would go with Muhammad
every time? Yes, you wouldn't go to in Phillips. So
I don't know, man, We've got to figure something out.
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I think something has to be done. How drastic it's
a great question, all right, It's a really good question
on whether or not Brad Holmes needs to go quote
unquote all in.
Speaker 3 (19:17):
How drastic and how much are you willing to give up?
That's the thing that's the real question, right Because I
agree with you. I think every Lions fan would like
to see something done. For sure, I.
Speaker 2 (19:29):
Think it needs to be done. I'm not saying that
the Texters is necessarily wrong. I think something has to
be done, I really do. I'm just trying to figure
out how much and when people use generic terms. If
you're not going in now, when will you? He could
make a couple of moves that would you and I
would have to go to Pro Football Reference to figure
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out who the player is in order for us to
truly understand who the player is. That could also consider
they're going in. Well, going all in doesn't mean you're
sacrificing future draft picks for a guy who's going to
be here for nine games? Does it? Is that how
you define it? I think it's a name thing. I
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really do. You want to be excited to watch Trey
Hendrickson suit up for the Lions, but if Trey Hendrickson
is not playing guard or tackle, that's a problem. The
phone number on the Myer hotline is eight six six
eight three eight forty eight forty three. We're back after this.
Speaker 4 (20:28):
I'm a big believer in you look back. At some point,
said man, that may have been the best thing to
happen to us, because we had to overcome this. We
had we had to do this. This forced this change,
This did this made us look at this a little different.
This got the urgency up for the way I go
about my business. And just sometimes it's that's the way
it works most of the time. I believe that. So
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this is just a little little storm we're in and
we got to weather it. No matter how long it takes,
we'll get out of this. We'll be good.
Speaker 2 (21:00):
Yeah, so the hard part there, and again, if you
preface all this, love Dan Campbell, but you preface it
by saying that the whole phrase we're good is starting
to resonate with Lions fans in a negative way. Welcome back,
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Let's get to some more techs as we welcome you
back at thirty five after the hour, go ahead.
Speaker 3 (21:26):
Trent rob Simms is an example of a young player.
Seattle didn't want to resign. May you traded for him
and sign him long term? Mayhe did a lot of that?
Speaker 2 (21:37):
Okay, Yeah, what Martin Mayhew didn't do is have good
enough drafts on a regular basis to keep guys who
he drafted, So he had to go out and get guys.
Speaker 3 (21:51):
Yeah. I was going to say, you know what else
he did. He drafted Eric Hebron. That's what he did.
Speaker 2 (21:55):
Yeah. Yeah, Well, the only thing I would say about that,
and Eric Ebron turned out to be he was a
good player. He's sure. He wasn't worthy of where he
was drafted. Let's put it that way. You don't go
tenth overall and you pass on flipping you know, Aaron Donald,
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one of the greatest players of all times, Okay, or
a Taylor Lawan. I remember I wanted Taylor Lawan. But
you know, I'm an offensive line kind of guy in
today's day and age. Like he had a good career.
He did. He had a good career. You know, he
had three hundred and fifty receptions and he turned out
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you know, in Indianapolis. He was a good player. Here
he was. I wouldn't call him a good player by
any stretch. It is. It was the way the NFL
has moved in terms of tight ends. Look at tight
ends today, and I'm not saying I'm not justifying it
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by any stretch. There are so many players you could
have taken, Taylor Lawan, Odell Beckham, Aaron Donald, Zach Martin, CJ. Moseley,
all of them. There was a big deal for Aha
Clinton Dix out of Alabama that people wanted in Detroit
at the time because I was doing games, I was
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hosting shows. So there are so many different guys you'd
rather have. Nobody can justify that pick. However, it is
that type of player that is now dominating the National
Football League at that position. You and I could name
how many tight ends that you love having on you
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would love having on your team, including Sam Laporta right
for sure. But Eric I. Brown wouldn't be part of
those guys, of course. But that style of tight end
athletic seam routes fast. You know, guys who are well exciting.
Speaker 3 (24:03):
It's an exciting at that position when you have an
offensive threat instead of just a guy who's gonna block. Yeah,
and I'm not belittling that, but that's where fans gravitate.
Speaker 2 (24:12):
Yeah, yeah, I mean when you look at Travis Kelce,
when you look at Tyler Warren now and Tucker Craft
out for the year and Trey McBride and Randy Gadson
is a really good tight end who exhibits that Sam Laporta.
Speaker 3 (24:28):
Rock Bouwers one healthy.
Speaker 2 (24:29):
Dalton Kincaid when they are all all those tight ends
are very similar in the sense that of Eric Ebron.
They can stretch a defense, they create mismatches. They really
are like a third wide receiver. They're that good. Dalton Schultz,
you know guys like that. But yeah, I mean Martin
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Mayhew as nice a guy as he was, and I
remember talking to him one time. I think we were
in Oakland. I was doing Lions and Raiders preseason, and
he and I ended up driving together to the hotel.
I don't know exactly the whole conditions, okay, but he
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and I were talking about certain players who were drafted
by Matt Mellen before him, and he said, you know,
you have to trust your scouts. And I said, well, yeah,
here's the problem with that, Martin, I said, no matter
what that pick is aligned with you, that pick will
always be associated with you, whether you like it or not,
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whether you think it's fair or not, you will be
associated with that draft pick. So when you got to
own it, whether Matt wanted Brian Calhoun, and that was
specifically the player we were talking about at the time.
Whether you wanted Brian Calhoun or not, you're going to
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get labeled with Brian Calhoun. That's just the facts, Okay,
And Martin Mayhew was at it way too long. You
and I could look at the number of different draft
picks from two thousand and what was it eight through
twenty fifteen and be disgusted at what that team had
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had to deal with. Go ahead, next one.
Speaker 3 (26:24):
I hesitate to even read this one because it's Cowboys related,
but it says at three five and one, now do
the Cowboys make any moves today? Could they potentially get
a haul for a guy like CD Lamb.
Speaker 2 (26:34):
Here's my guess. I don't think they're going to trade
CD Lamb. I think they're going to trade future draft
picks for somebody who's going to help their team, not
diminish their team, all right, specifically on the defensive side
of the ball. They were beat up by Arizona last
night if you watched it, but it was a tough
WI Final with Yeah, I think so too. I mean
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there's there's some team.
Speaker 3 (26:59):
Just wasn't good football. I mean, it's football so I
want it.
Speaker 2 (27:01):
Just don't move me, right, I mean, let's be honest.
Though the Lion's Vikings games was that was not an
entertaining game either. Okay, it isn't a fun game to watch. No,
all right, not every game is. But there are certain
teams when I watch, I'm like, I just I don't
want to even watch how this team performs. Arizona is
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one of those teams, whether we like it or not.
There's certain guys you like, you know, Buddha Baker is
really good defensively great. Okay, Trey McBride's really good offensively great.
Maybe if James Connor is in there, I don't know.
I'm happy for a guy like Jacoby Brissett, who had
two touchdown passes and a touchdown run. But there are
certain teams in this league where you look at it
like that just doesn't interest me. Football, the game itself
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interests me, but the team does not. But I think Dallas,
as talented as they are offensively, I think they're going
to do something about their defense. And I say that
because I don't think Jerry Jones can admit, you know what,
We've got a build for the future, and we're going
to give up on this year, and he said, as
much as he said about his team this year.
Speaker 3 (28:02):
Well, if only they had a guy like Michael Parsons,
that'd be awes Well, that's.
Speaker 2 (28:06):
The other thing, because he would have to admit that
Michael Parsons made that much of a difference for him,
and he would have to be able to say, you
know what, Michael Parks, all you people were right. He's
let his ego get in the way. He's hurt his franchise,
he's hurt his fan base by doing some of the
(28:27):
things that he's done. He can't do that. He's incapable
of it. I don't even know the man, but just
based on interviews and everything, you know. I saw somebody
say on ESPN this morning, since that's kind of wake
up and you have to watch that for about an
hour or so, I can't get that hour of my
life back every day. But it's just part of the job.
(28:50):
I heard them say, do you think Jerry Jones wants
the attention? Just wants the attention? Because after the game,
you don't hear Brian Schottenheimer, you're not hearing Dek Prescott
talking to Ceed Lamp. They go right to the owner
and general manager. He's the only general manager who's made
available every single day and nobody says anything about.
Speaker 3 (29:12):
He Also, you know what shep last week? He had
that comment about this new one hundred billion dollar oil
while he found or something like it was a business menure, right,
And that's fine. But you can't be the GM of
the team and be focusing on all that you own
the team? Is that not enough for you? Can't you
pawn off some of the leadership with the football stuff
(29:36):
onto other people. That's what I don't understand.
Speaker 2 (29:39):
He can't. Well, here's how you understand it. First of all,
the ego doesn't fit in the state. That's first and foremal.
Second of all, it's a big state. Because everybody believes
that Jimmy Johnson won their Super Bowls. Jerry Jones has
to prove that it was he who was the architect
and he who the reason for their championship.
Speaker 3 (30:02):
Oh yeah, he's the mastermind, right and it's never going.
Speaker 2 (30:05):
To stop just not I mean, that's this is just
who he is. This is where ego is just a
it's such a massive play in this and you know,
people are people in Dallas see it. There's no doubt
about it. They don't go to see him. He doesn't
seem to understand that for some reason or another. But
I think in order for him to address his defense,
(30:27):
it's his way of getting around well, look, I can
at least get this guy, and I won't have as
much money as I would have had to spend on Michaeh. Parsons.
He will not admit defeat when it comes to that.
The ego just is too large. Another taxt go ahead.
Speaker 3 (30:41):
As Shep likes to say, fork to know's do the
Lions make a move today or not?
Speaker 2 (30:46):
I think they do? Yep, I truly do. I think
they're going to make a move. How significant it's a
great question. That's what we got to figure out. Brad
Holmes will figure that out. So giving you a lot
of information on the updates and a lot of different things. Okay,
the thing that I haven't brought up and I got
(31:07):
a text from a baseball writer yesterday and he's well known,
and he said, I don't get it. It's in reference
to Major League Baseball's Contemporary Baseball Committee. They announced their
(31:28):
Hall of Fame player ballot. The sixteen member committee has
Gary Sheffield, Barry Bonds, Roger Clemens, Carlos Delgado, Jeff Kent,
Fernando Vellezuela, Don Mattingley, and Dale Murphy. I think Don
(31:52):
Manningley belongs in. I think Dale Murphy belongs in Bonds
and Clemens. You and I can duke that out in
a lot of different ways, but numbers wise, they belong
in too. No Lew Whittaker, No Kurt Shilling. We know
(32:15):
why Kurt Shilling's not in. It's his political views and
his outspokenness. It's okay to b the other way around.
In fact, you can be a guy like Stephen A.
Smith and speak out and call everything racism and still
be in a white man's booth watching Monday Night football.
Kurt Shillings says something the opposite. He's blackballed. Low Whitaker's
(32:39):
not in there. He's not on that committee, which means
he cannot be eligible until twenty twenty eight dashed twenty
twenty nine, another three years. I have said this for
a long time. I've said it on television, I've said
it on radio. I said it as a talk show host.
(33:01):
I've said it as a play by play guy. It's
frustrating for me because I think he's a Hall of Famer.
Do I think he's an all time greade? I do not.
But there's a lot of players in Cooperstown right now
who are not all time greats. When people say on
social media he was very good, he wasn't great. You
(33:23):
need to do some research. You need to look at
the second basement, and oftentimes that is what is where
you are measured. Okay, that's what it is. You're compared
to others at your position. Okay, So when Lou Whittaker
(33:46):
is being talked about, is he being talked about compared
to Alan Trammel, for example, and he shouldn't be. What
you want to do is you want to come him
to other second basemen, understand? Okay? And most people they
don't remember who the hell Bobby dor is. Sorry, they
(34:10):
just don't. They don't remember Eddie Collins. But if I
said to you that there are certain players. Bid McPhee,
a Hall of Fame second baseman is in the Hall
of Fame, would you even recognize that name? Probably not right.
(34:31):
Johnny Evers is in the Evers is in the Hall
of Fame? Would you recognize it? Probably not. Lou Whittaker
was the rookie of the Year. There's a lot of
rookies of the Year, so what. But he was a
three time Gold Glover. Others have had more. Ryan Sandberg,
he was a four time Silver Slugger. Others have had more.
(34:55):
He was a five time All Star. Others have had more.
Joe Morgan, He's got a seventy five point one war
in his career. He's got a seventy five point one WAR.
That's seventy eighth all time, forty ninth among all position players.
It's higher than Roberto Alomar. It's higher than Craig Bigio,
(35:16):
It's higher than Nelly Fox, It's higher than Ryan Sandberg,
just to name a few. Okay, I'm not saying he's
Charlie Garringer here, folks. I'm talking about his overall accomplishments.
Among those who have played at least seventy five percent
of their games at second base, he ranks fourth all
time in war. And before you start to roll your
eyes and shake your head and scrunch your nose and
(35:38):
say war wins above replacement, you love that stat, Listen.
The reason I like it and the reason I go
to it is because that's what baseball people do. Don't
give me analytics in any sport. This is where they
say go for it on fourth down. This is where
they say you should pull the goalie. Analytics would tell you.
(36:00):
This is where you don't bunt all this stuff. Okay,
don't fall back to analytics for your argument on other
things and then dismiss this analytics, which is actually not
even you advanced analytics. This has been something that's been
targeted for a long time. Bill James and made the
(36:23):
case for a lot of really worthy players. Okay, he
played the fourth most games at second base in history.
We know about the turning of the double play. We
also know that in two thousand and one he garnered
just two point nine percent of the original Hall of
(36:45):
Fame votes. You have to get five percent to stay
on the ballot. Bill James, who crunches numbers and was
really the first analytics guy, called him the thirteenth best
second basement all time, top twelve in his position, in
Homer's top twelve in his position. Run scored okay, fourth
all time, and double plays turned playoff numbers in the
postseason weren't great, but they didn't play as many games
(37:09):
back then that they did now. Right, for him to
not be considered again is a joke. Based on all
the other things, he ranks in the top five or six.
He's ranked higher than a lot of guys in a
lot of different categories. You're not gonna be number one
in every single category, not even Hank Aaron is that.
(37:33):
But for some reason it just goes by the wayside.
My bigger problem is that the organization doesn't do anything
about it. If I were in judge of that organization,
I'd put somebody on this to start stumping for Lou Whitaker.
I've said this before, I'll continue to say it. He
belongs in the Hall of Fame based on the Hall
(37:54):
of Fame's criteria, based on the second basement, Who are
there now? We're back after that.
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seven to seventeen. Let's get to the text line. I mean,
Texas Sports Radio twenty one thousand. We've been talking a
lot about Lions trade deadline day today, why Brad Holmes
has to make them move. Go ahead, Trent.
Speaker 3 (02:02):
Can Frank ragnow, please just come back.
Speaker 2 (02:04):
Before we do this. Before we do this, you wanted
to say something just prior to the break, So I
want to make sure we gave you some platform.
Speaker 3 (02:10):
Oh you're fine, No, just along those lines that you
were talking about. I just wanted to ask you because
I agreed with everything you're saying, but the hesitancy to
give up a first round pick potentially?
Speaker 4 (02:20):
Yeah?
Speaker 3 (02:20):
How many more starters do you think this team's going
to draft? Like, I think the team's pretty complete, so
I don't please.
Speaker 2 (02:28):
It's complete for right now. But Brad Holmes, I think
part of his history is this, He's always looking ahead,
all right?
Speaker 3 (02:39):
Yeah?
Speaker 2 (02:40):
Would you admit would you feel comfortable with Taylor Decker
starting seventeen games next year? No? I would not. Do
you think Graham Glasgow is going to be back at
center next year? Rat Ledge is probably going to move
over unless you think Miles Frasier is going to be
the starting guard. It's a fifth round pick when he
hasn't played at all. I think that's a dangerous assumption.
Speaker 3 (03:00):
Agreed.
Speaker 2 (03:01):
Now, maybe look, and I think somebody has sent us
this text before. I think it's Freddy where it's Giovanni Manu.
I mean, look, you trade it up to get him
in the fourth round. He better be your left tackle,
right and better perform. But if he's not, you better
have a backup plan, right, I would hope. So, so
(03:23):
you're gonna need some I'm not saying you're gonna draft
him in the first round. You're gonna need a linebacker.
I'm assuming that Alexandzeloni the reason they didn't extend him,
the reason they gave him some money is because they're
saving some of that money for a guy like Jack Campbell. Okay,
I could be wrong there, but if you talk about
anybody who's produced, that dude's produced.
Speaker 3 (03:42):
And if you, son of a bitch, if you look
at Brad Holmes track record, you're right, i'mking that's what
it seems like.
Speaker 2 (03:49):
Yes, right, So there's that. So there's three positions right there.
And then eventually, I mean we all know, I mean,
do you do you feel good about drafting a backup
quarterback in the fifth round? All I'm talking about are
a few certain positions that you're going to need depth
that or a starter. Not to mention the fact that
you have to plan too, just in case. What if
(04:11):
enis Rakestraw can't play again. He's been a complete bust
as a second round choice. So you need is a
Meek Robertson coming back. Like we look at just the starters,
and Meek Robertson has become a starting cornerback, he's a
starting nickelback. What if he doesn't come back, don't you
think you need another corner, and I would say yes,
considering I can't count on enis Rakestraw, So I mean
(04:33):
those are That's where my head goes anyway. And again
I'm not saying it's just the first round, but knowing
that you have limited picks, right, Philadelphia gave up a
third round pick, they still have another third round pick
next year. Yes, I saw some type of graphic yesterday
where they've got a ton of picks next year. Howie
Roseman really is a genius of a general manager. He's
(04:55):
a hell of a GM. He's improving his team. He
got Brandon Graham back, Zadarius Smith retired, and they're like,
that's okay, trade for Jalen Phillips. I would I hope
the Lions. I think they need to make a couple
of moves me too. I just don't know what it's
going to take to get the complimentary players. We want
the names Trent, we want Trey Hendrickson, we want a
(05:18):
Max Crosby. Guess what, It's really hard to maneuver that
type of deal and surrender as much as you're going
to have to surrender. And it's not just the draft picks,
it's the fact that the cap space then takes up
so much room you can't sign the other guys you
feel are important to the forward motion of your team.
Speaker 3 (05:41):
And by the way, shep, I think those draft picks
are very important. I agree with you. I just find
it interesting that, like, if someone were to debate us
on this and say, hey, to hell with the first
round picks, go all in for this year, I would understand.
Speaker 2 (05:54):
I do too. I do too because and if Brad
Holmes were to do something like that. I'm from various
general managers in this town about we're trying to build
long term. Steve Eiserman said it for the Red Wings.
We don't want to be a Stanley Cup contender for
just one year. We want it to be a consistent thing.
I'm summarizing here. Scott Harris said the same thing with
(06:16):
the Tigers. Trajan Langdon has alluded to something similar with
the Pistons. Here's the problem with that message, and it's
a proper message. I would feel the same way. I
don't want to be a flash in the pan. You
want to be able to compete long term. I understand
that the problem is when the fan base of all
those four teams and whether you go down to Little
(06:38):
Caesars for every Red Wings game or not, whether you're
there to watch the Pistons play Orlando at the beginning
of the season and Cleveland at the end of the
season or not, whether you're a season ticket holder for
the Lions. What matters is you like all your teams.
Here's the issue. You're hearing that from everybody, but you're
not seeing the benefits of it. It's great to make
(07:01):
the playoffs for the Pistons last year. Don't tell me
your expectations haven't risen with that team. It's great that
the Tigers made the playoffs two years ago, but this
past season was a disappointment. You expect more from the
Red Wings, but you sure don't expect him to win
the tough Atlantic Division, but you'd love to see him
(07:22):
make the playoffs. That will change the following year because
of your younger players and the fact that you'll lose
contracts like Justin Hole and Ben Schabat Sharrat rather and
then you'll have only one more year left of you
know what has been so far a disappointment in one
(07:43):
of the your forwards. Okay, so you get an opportunity there. Expectations, Yeah,
the expectation. You always say that, So there's all part
of it. When you're hearing Eiserman say it and it's
not coming to fruition, Langdon alluding to it, and it's
not coming to fruition, Scott Harris saying it and not
doing anything about it, right, and now the Lion's doing it.
(08:07):
You're asking yourself out loud, can somebody, somebody please make
a move to give us a championship? That's what you're
hoping for. At least that's my take. So I understand
all of it. I understand that people are, you know,
pretty excited, but also feel like there's something that has
(08:27):
to be done. I don't disagree with that.
Speaker 3 (08:30):
Yeah, I don't want to say a patience, but that's
kind of how it feels, you know, And maybe it's
Warrnton agreed.
Speaker 2 (08:35):
Yeah, all I'm asking is you got to have an
understanding of what and then you at least to have
a peak of the future. And by the way, Andrew
copp is the forward I was referring to with the
Red Wings, You've got to have at least a peek
at the future. You can't always live in the moment.
It's not an easy thing. To do and it's a
dangerous place to be. We'll get to some of your
texts when we come back. And again, a great Iger's
(09:00):
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Speaker 3 (10:01):
Can Frank ragnow police just come back? I think an
underdiscussed flaw in Goff's game is presser up the middle.
Ragnow was worth his weight in Gold one. That's a
lot of weight.
Speaker 2 (10:10):
YEP couldn't have sent it better. Yeah, I'm sure a
lot of guys stay in really good shape. I had
a conversation last week with Rob Simms. He played guard
for the Lions. He started forty games at Ohio State.
He started as a freshman on a national championship team
at nineteen years old. He was starting, he was at
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one point three hundred and thirty five pounds. I believe
he's I think the highest weight he got in the
NFL was like three and a quarter. He's down to
two fifty and now he's been out of the game
for a while. I don't know what Frank Ragnow looks
like now. Earlier in the season, I would have said,
please bring him back, do everything you can. We'll let
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you practice only when you want to in the week,
because he's the kind of guy as a leader and
a captain who wouldn't abuse that privilege. It would have
been awesome to have him back now midway through a season,
not knowing what he would be doing during the season,
(11:19):
Like is he staying in shape? I'm sure he's staying
in shape, but what if he's lost a lot of weight.
I just don't see that, unfortunately, But you're right, I
wish he would be. I mean, if you're asking for
one guy to come back to a team, that would
be it. Yeah.
Speaker 3 (11:32):
I still want to shout out Peter from yesterday because
that text was awesome about Kevin Zeidler, because.
Speaker 2 (11:38):
Yeah, yeah, and people are picking that up now. I
don't know, like Kevin Zeitler. I think it was a
nine million dollar deal. Detroit and Zeitler were a couple
of million dollars apart. It's not like he didn't want
to stay here, and it's not like Detroit didn't want him.
It's just the money didn't work out. He wanted to
be closer to home, I believe. So you go down
to Tennessee. It hasn't worked out there. If Tennessee he
(12:00):
can get a mid round pick, a fourth or a
fifth round pick, you get an automatic starter coming back
and a guy who's used to I would guess a
lot of the terminology. Yeah, familiar face, you know, and yeah.
But so then you have to ask your question, would
he play right guard? What do you do with Tate Ratledge,
(12:22):
could he play left guard? Could he play Could you
have Ratlage moved to center eventually?
Speaker 3 (12:29):
I would be right, Yeah, I would love if they
moved him to center if if he's ready for it,
that's the key.
Speaker 2 (12:36):
So you you would love that, as would I, because
that's where they envisioned him long term, at least that's
what they told us during training.
Speaker 3 (12:42):
Game and Glasgow was not really cutting it right now. Okay,
let's just be honest.
Speaker 2 (12:46):
But we but let's be honest about this too, neither you.
And by the way, that's one game from Graham Glasgow.
He's pretty damn good against Cincinnati. He was pretty damnod
against Cleveland. He's pretty damn good against Tampa. But I
would just say this, You and I don't know what
it takes for Tate Ratledge to move from right guard
to center.
Speaker 3 (13:01):
Correct.
Speaker 2 (13:02):
Do you feel comfortable with a rookie who's never played
the position making all the line calls?
Speaker 3 (13:09):
The answers probably know, Okay, and I don't think it's
realistic to expect that Coupen.
Speaker 2 (13:14):
Don't get caught up in change for change sake. Yeah,
you've got to have a plan, but the plan has
to be well thought out. Just moving pieces around and
changing more than one position can be just as bad,
if not worse then not doing anything at all.
Speaker 3 (13:35):
Well, you also, to your point, Chef, you don't want
to overreact to one bad game. You don't want to
overcorrect things right for let's.
Speaker 2 (13:43):
Just say, let's say, for sake of argument, you traded
for Zeitdler. It would be great. He was fantastic at
right guard. So there's a new person at right guard,
even though him and Sewell have a great connection. So
what would be the big deal. Yeah, but remember I
said guards and centers are oftentimes tagged even together as
much as guards and tackles. So you got a new
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person at right guard, Ratledge takes over at center. That's new.
Glasgow is at left guard. That's new, not new completely,
but it is new. Or if you went Zeitlert right guard,
it's Ratledge at left guard again to new positions. Either way,
it's going to be a shuffle. You have to do
(14:26):
what is best for the unit and best instead of
what's best for each individual.
Speaker 3 (14:33):
Well, and it also can't be undersold that it is
a new offense. If Zeitler came back, It's not like
he's coming back into Ben Johnson's offense. He's coming into
John Morton's offense. And I'm not acting like that saying
maybe there's not a huge difference there in some of
the terminology. I don't know. I'm just to your.
Speaker 2 (14:49):
Pointing some difference. He's gotta be some difference.
Speaker 4 (14:51):
Yah.
Speaker 2 (14:51):
To your point about otherwise, I mean you're otherwise. You
got Ben Johnson, and Ben Johnson would know how to
defend it left and right. So you better be different. Yeah, yeah,
it's better be different. And I do believe it's not
that it's not needed. I'm just saying you've got to
look at all those things. Oh sorry, Graham Glasgow is
not cutting it. He didn't play well against Minnesota. You
know who, Waltz didn't play well against Minnesota. Anybody on
(15:12):
the art pretty much everybody. And he's an easy target.
He's an easy target because he's replacing one of the
best centers the Lions have ever had, and the pressure
came from up the middle. But Mahogany was there, Ratledge
was there. Penney Sewell didn't have a great game, by
(15:33):
the way, that's the second game that he hasn't played great.
Taylor Decker didn't have a great game. All of that,
all right, I'm not going to pin it on just
one guy. If that offensive line plays together and they're
playing well, they deserve credit, all of them. If that
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offensive line plays together and they're playing poorly, they deserve criticism. Yep,
all of them. Back to the text line, go ahead.
Speaker 3 (16:03):
If we're not all in right now, then when will
we be?
Speaker 2 (16:07):
So? Yeah, I get it. Do you think in order
for a franchise to prove to you they're all in,
they have to sacrifice the future and live for the now.
If you believe your team is all in the only
way they can prove it to you is by making trades.
(16:30):
What makes you think they're not all in?
Speaker 4 (16:34):
Like?
Speaker 2 (16:34):
What do you honestly believe that Brad Holmes drives home
at night and says, I'm fine if we win twelve
games and don't make the playoffs. Come on, Just because
you're not doing something doesn't mean that you're not all in? Now?
Would we like more to be done? Absolutely? I don't.
(16:55):
I'm gonna be honest with you, folks, and I think
you've got to be honest with yourself too. I don't
know how how good Kyote Awasaka is I don't know
a damn thing about Kingsley Aguacam or Michael Nice. I
don't those are backup offensive lineman who I had to
look up. Okay, I don't know how good they are.
We don't either. It's it's the same thing with the
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Legion of Whom against Tampa? Did you know any of
those players? No? You did not. Did they surprise you
one hundred percent? Doesn't mean I want him starting every game? Okay,
no way, but we were unaware. I guess part of
the trust you have in any organization, and this is
(17:40):
a dangerous thing. It's a scary thing for you and I.
Part of the trust is what you know your personnel
and you're able to put your personnel in the right
places at the right time. Now, we want names. We
want a recognizable name. Evan Neil was a first round pick,
let's go get them. Andrew Wiley, He's played on a
(18:02):
couple of Kansas City Super Bowl Then why hasn't he
started every game for Washington? Who's worse than you? I'm
just asking why do we want names? Because we recognize them?
Because you know why, because they start for those other
teams and we think in order to improve our team,
(18:23):
we need somebody else's starter. Have we ever given thought
that maybe our backup is better than a bad team starter?
And let's face it, that's who you're getting it from.
You're getting from a bad team. You're getting a starter
from a bad team. Yes, sellers, yes, sellers. You know
times that decide, you know they're season's over. They might
as well move some of these guys and get some compensation. Trent,
(18:46):
if I gave you Mohammad's numbers and Phillips's numbers, and
I put a blindfold on you, and I didn't tell
you the names of the players, I just gave you
their numbers, just their statistics, you would go with Muhammad
every time? Yes, you wouldn't go to in Phillips. So
I don't know, man, We've got to figure something out.
(19:07):
I think something has to be done. How drastic it's
a great question, all right, It's a really good question
on whether or not Brad Holmes needs to go quote
unquote all in.
Speaker 3 (19:17):
How drastic and how much are you willing to give up?
That's the thing that's the real question, right Because I
agree with you. I think every Lions fan would like
to see something done. For sure, I.
Speaker 2 (19:29):
Think it needs to be done. I'm not saying that
the Texters is necessarily wrong. I think something has to
be done, I really do. I'm just trying to figure
out how much and when people use generic terms. If
you're not going in now, when will you? He could
make a couple of moves that would you and I
would have to go to Pro Football Reference to figure
(19:51):
out who the player is in order for us to
truly understand who the player is. That could also consider
they're going in. Well, going all in doesn't mean you're
sacrificing future draft picks for a guy who's going to
be here for nine games? Does it? Is that how
you define it? I think it's a name thing. I
(20:12):
really do. You want to be excited to watch Trey
Hendrickson suit up for the Lions, but if Trey Hendrickson
is not playing guard or tackle, that's a problem. The
phone number on the Myer hotline is eight six six
eight three eight forty eight forty three. We're back after this.
Speaker 4 (20:28):
I'm a big believer in you look back. At some point,
said man, that may have been the best thing to
happen to us, because we had to overcome this. We
had we had to do this. This forced this change,
This did this made us look at this a little different.
This got the urgency up for the way I go
about my business. And just sometimes it's that's the way
it works most of the time. I believe that. So
(20:50):
this is just a little little storm we're in and
we got to weather it. No matter how long it takes,
we'll get out of this. We'll be good.
Speaker 2 (21:00):
Yeah, so the hard part there, and again, if you
preface all this, love Dan Campbell, but you preface it
by saying that the whole phrase we're good is starting
to resonate with Lions fans in a negative way. Welcome back,
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(21:22):
Let's get to some more techs as we welcome you
back at thirty five after the hour, go ahead.
Speaker 3 (21:26):
Trent rob Simms is an example of a young player.
Seattle didn't want to resign. May you traded for him
and sign him long term? Mayhe did a lot of that?
Speaker 2 (21:37):
Okay, Yeah, what Martin Mayhew didn't do is have good
enough drafts on a regular basis to keep guys who
he drafted, So he had to go out and get guys.
Speaker 3 (21:51):
Yeah. I was going to say, you know what else
he did. He drafted Eric Hebron. That's what he did.
Speaker 2 (21:55):
Yeah. Yeah, Well, the only thing I would say about that,
and Eric Ebron turned out to be he was a
good player. He's sure. He wasn't worthy of where he
was drafted. Let's put it that way. You don't go
tenth overall and you pass on flipping you know, Aaron Donald,
(22:15):
one of the greatest players of all times, Okay, or
a Taylor Lawan. I remember I wanted Taylor Lawan. But
you know, I'm an offensive line kind of guy in
today's day and age. Like he had a good career.
He did. He had a good career. You know, he
had three hundred and fifty receptions and he turned out
(22:37):
you know, in Indianapolis. He was a good player. Here
he was. I wouldn't call him a good player by
any stretch. It is. It was the way the NFL
has moved in terms of tight ends. Look at tight
ends today, and I'm not saying I'm not justifying it
(22:58):
by any stretch. There are so many players you could
have taken, Taylor Lawan, Odell Beckham, Aaron Donald, Zach Martin, CJ. Moseley,
all of them. There was a big deal for Aha
Clinton Dix out of Alabama that people wanted in Detroit
at the time because I was doing games, I was
(23:20):
hosting shows. So there are so many different guys you'd
rather have. Nobody can justify that pick. However, it is
that type of player that is now dominating the National
Football League at that position. You and I could name
how many tight ends that you love having on you
(23:43):
would love having on your team, including Sam Laporta right
for sure. But Eric I. Brown wouldn't be part of
those guys, of course. But that style of tight end
athletic seam routes fast. You know, guys who are well exciting.
Speaker 3 (24:03):
It's an exciting at that position when you have an
offensive threat instead of just a guy who's gonna block. Yeah,
and I'm not belittling that, but that's where fans gravitate.
Speaker 2 (24:12):
Yeah, yeah, I mean when you look at Travis Kelce,
when you look at Tyler Warren now and Tucker Craft
out for the year and Trey McBride and Randy Gadson
is a really good tight end who exhibits that Sam Laporta.
Speaker 3 (24:28):
Rock Bouwers one healthy.
Speaker 2 (24:29):
Dalton Kincaid when they are all all those tight ends
are very similar in the sense that of Eric Ebron.
They can stretch a defense, they create mismatches. They really
are like a third wide receiver. They're that good. Dalton Schultz,
you know guys like that. But yeah, I mean Martin
(24:53):
Mayhew as nice a guy as he was, and I
remember talking to him one time. I think we were
in Oakland. I was doing Lions and Raiders preseason, and
he and I ended up driving together to the hotel.
I don't know exactly the whole conditions, okay, but he
(25:13):
and I were talking about certain players who were drafted
by Matt Mellen before him, and he said, you know,
you have to trust your scouts. And I said, well, yeah,
here's the problem with that, Martin, I said, no matter
what that pick is aligned with you, that pick will
always be associated with you, whether you like it or not,
(25:36):
whether you think it's fair or not, you will be
associated with that draft pick. So when you got to
own it, whether Matt wanted Brian Calhoun, and that was
specifically the player we were talking about at the time.
Whether you wanted Brian Calhoun or not, you're going to
(26:00):
get labeled with Brian Calhoun. That's just the facts, Okay,
And Martin Mayhew was at it way too long. You
and I could look at the number of different draft
picks from two thousand and what was it eight through
twenty fifteen and be disgusted at what that team had
(26:21):
had to deal with. Go ahead, next one.
Speaker 3 (26:24):
I hesitate to even read this one because it's Cowboys related,
but it says at three five and one, now do
the Cowboys make any moves today? Could they potentially get
a haul for a guy like CD Lamb.
Speaker 2 (26:34):
Here's my guess. I don't think they're going to trade
CD Lamb. I think they're going to trade future draft
picks for somebody who's going to help their team, not
diminish their team, all right, specifically on the defensive side
of the ball. They were beat up by Arizona last
night if you watched it, but it was a tough
WI Final with Yeah, I think so too. I mean
(26:57):
there's there's some team.
Speaker 3 (26:59):
Just wasn't good football. I mean, it's football so I
want it.
Speaker 2 (27:01):
Just don't move me, right, I mean, let's be honest.
Though the Lion's Vikings games was that was not an
entertaining game either. Okay, it isn't a fun game to watch. No,
all right, not every game is. But there are certain
teams when I watch, I'm like, I just I don't
want to even watch how this team performs. Arizona is
(27:22):
one of those teams, whether we like it or not.
There's certain guys you like, you know, Buddha Baker is
really good defensively great. Okay, Trey McBride's really good offensively great.
Maybe if James Connor is in there, I don't know.
I'm happy for a guy like Jacoby Brissett, who had
two touchdown passes and a touchdown run. But there are
certain teams in this league where you look at it
like that just doesn't interest me. Football, the game itself
(27:43):
interests me, but the team does not. But I think Dallas,
as talented as they are offensively, I think they're going
to do something about their defense. And I say that
because I don't think Jerry Jones can admit, you know what,
We've got a build for the future, and we're going
to give up on this year, and he said, as
much as he said about his team this year.
Speaker 3 (28:02):
Well, if only they had a guy like Michael Parsons,
that'd be awes Well, that's.
Speaker 2 (28:06):
The other thing, because he would have to admit that
Michael Parsons made that much of a difference for him,
and he would have to be able to say, you
know what, Michael Parks, all you people were right. He's
let his ego get in the way. He's hurt his franchise,
he's hurt his fan base by doing some of the
(28:27):
things that he's done. He can't do that. He's incapable
of it. I don't even know the man, but just
based on interviews and everything, you know. I saw somebody
say on ESPN this morning, since that's kind of wake
up and you have to watch that for about an
hour or so, I can't get that hour of my
life back every day. But it's just part of the job.
(28:50):
I heard them say, do you think Jerry Jones wants
the attention? Just wants the attention? Because after the game,
you don't hear Brian Schottenheimer, you're not hearing Dek Prescott
talking to Ceed Lamp. They go right to the owner
and general manager. He's the only general manager who's made
available every single day and nobody says anything about.
Speaker 3 (29:12):
He Also, you know what shep last week? He had
that comment about this new one hundred billion dollar oil
while he found or something like it was a business menure, right,
And that's fine. But you can't be the GM of
the team and be focusing on all that you own
the team? Is that not enough for you? Can't you
pawn off some of the leadership with the football stuff
(29:36):
onto other people. That's what I don't understand.
Speaker 2 (29:39):
He can't. Well, here's how you understand it. First of all,
the ego doesn't fit in the state. That's first and foremal.
Second of all, it's a big state. Because everybody believes
that Jimmy Johnson won their Super Bowls. Jerry Jones has
to prove that it was he who was the architect
and he who the reason for their championship.
Speaker 3 (30:02):
Oh yeah, he's the mastermind, right and it's never going.
Speaker 2 (30:05):
To stop just not I mean, that's this is just
who he is. This is where ego is just a
it's such a massive play in this and you know,
people are people in Dallas see it. There's no doubt
about it. They don't go to see him. He doesn't
seem to understand that for some reason or another. But
I think in order for him to address his defense,
(30:27):
it's his way of getting around well, look, I can
at least get this guy, and I won't have as
much money as I would have had to spend on Michaeh. Parsons.
He will not admit defeat when it comes to that.
The ego just is too large. Another taxt go ahead.
Speaker 3 (30:41):
As Shep likes to say, fork to know's do the
Lions make a move today or not?
Speaker 2 (30:46):
I think they do? Yep, I truly do. I think
they're going to make a move. How significant it's a
great question. That's what we got to figure out. Brad
Holmes will figure that out. So giving you a lot
of information on the updates and a lot of different things. Okay,
the thing that I haven't brought up and I got
(31:07):
a text from a baseball writer yesterday and he's well known,
and he said, I don't get it. It's in reference
to Major League Baseball's Contemporary Baseball Committee. They announced their
(31:28):
Hall of Fame player ballot. The sixteen member committee has
Gary Sheffield, Barry Bonds, Roger Clemens, Carlos Delgado, Jeff Kent,
Fernando Vellezuela, Don Mattingley, and Dale Murphy. I think Don
(31:52):
Manningley belongs in. I think Dale Murphy belongs in Bonds
and Clemens. You and I can duke that out in
a lot of different ways, but numbers wise, they belong
in too. No Lew Whittaker, No Kurt Shilling. We know
(32:15):
why Kurt Shilling's not in. It's his political views and
his outspokenness. It's okay to b the other way around.
In fact, you can be a guy like Stephen A.
Smith and speak out and call everything racism and still
be in a white man's booth watching Monday Night football.
Kurt Shillings says something the opposite. He's blackballed. Low Whitaker's
(32:39):
not in there. He's not on that committee, which means
he cannot be eligible until twenty twenty eight dashed twenty
twenty nine, another three years. I have said this for
a long time. I've said it on television, I've said
it on radio. I said it as a talk show host.
(33:01):
I've said it as a play by play guy. It's
frustrating for me because I think he's a Hall of Famer.
Do I think he's an all time greade? I do not.
But there's a lot of players in Cooperstown right now
who are not all time greats. When people say on
social media he was very good, he wasn't great. You
(33:23):
need to do some research. You need to look at
the second basement, and oftentimes that is what is where
you are measured. Okay, that's what it is. You're compared
to others at your position. Okay, So when Lou Whittaker
(33:46):
is being talked about, is he being talked about compared
to Alan Trammel, for example, and he shouldn't be. What
you want to do is you want to come him
to other second basemen, understand? Okay? And most people they
don't remember who the hell Bobby dor is. Sorry, they
(34:10):
just don't. They don't remember Eddie Collins. But if I
said to you that there are certain players. Bid McPhee,
a Hall of Fame second baseman is in the Hall
of Fame, would you even recognize that name? Probably not right.
(34:31):
Johnny Evers is in the Evers is in the Hall
of Fame? Would you recognize it? Probably not. Lou Whittaker
was the rookie of the Year. There's a lot of
rookies of the Year, so what. But he was a
three time Gold Glover. Others have had more. Ryan Sandberg,
he was a four time Silver Slugger. Others have had more.
(34:55):
He was a five time All Star. Others have had more.
Joe Morgan, He's got a seventy five point one war
in his career. He's got a seventy five point one WAR.
That's seventy eighth all time, forty ninth among all position players.
It's higher than Roberto Alomar. It's higher than Craig Bigio,
(35:16):
It's higher than Nelly Fox, It's higher than Ryan Sandberg,
just to name a few. Okay, I'm not saying he's
Charlie Garringer here, folks. I'm talking about his overall accomplishments.
Among those who have played at least seventy five percent
of their games at second base, he ranks fourth all
time in war. And before you start to roll your
eyes and shake your head and scrunch your nose and
(35:38):
say war wins above replacement, you love that stat, Listen.
The reason I like it and the reason I go
to it is because that's what baseball people do. Don't
give me analytics in any sport. This is where they
say go for it on fourth down. This is where
they say you should pull the goalie. Analytics would tell you.
(36:00):
This is where you don't bunt all this stuff. Okay,
don't fall back to analytics for your argument on other
things and then dismiss this analytics, which is actually not
even you advanced analytics. This has been something that's been
targeted for a long time. Bill James and made the
(36:23):
case for a lot of really worthy players. Okay, he
played the fourth most games at second base in history.
We know about the turning of the double play. We
also know that in two thousand and one he garnered
just two point nine percent of the original Hall of
(36:45):
Fame votes. You have to get five percent to stay
on the ballot. Bill James, who crunches numbers and was
really the first analytics guy, called him the thirteenth best
second basement all time, top twelve in his position, in
Homer's top twelve in his position. Run scored okay, fourth
all time, and double plays turned playoff numbers in the
postseason weren't great, but they didn't play as many games
(37:09):
back then that they did now. Right, for him to
not be considered again is a joke. Based on all
the other things, he ranks in the top five or six.
He's ranked higher than a lot of guys in a
lot of different categories. You're not gonna be number one
in every single category, not even Hank Aaron is that.
(37:33):
But for some reason it just goes by the wayside.
My bigger problem is that the organization doesn't do anything
about it. If I were in judge of that organization,
I'd put somebody on this to start stumping for Lou Whitaker.
I've said this before, I'll continue to say it. He
belongs in the Hall of Fame based on the Hall
(37:54):
of Fame's criteria, based on the second basement, Who are
there now? We're back after that.
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