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Speaker 2 (00:30):
So I hurt my hip at the gym and ended
up with Phi Urgent Care. They really took care of me.
They referred me to one of their physios and while
working on my core, the physio noticed I was walking
a little oddly, so she refers me to a Vhi
podiatrist and he was able to help me correct my gait.
So yeah, it was It was really great how Vhi
was able to connect on the dots.
Speaker 3 (00:54):
Vhi because your health means everything.
Speaker 4 (01:05):
When you start talking like that, like throw all the
picks away, that's you know, that's that's a lot. It's
a lot of capital, especially with the guys that we've
got that we're signing and we want to continue to
sign to keep what we have intact. You know, now
you're not only you're throwing the picks, you're also you
got to pay that player too, probably Otherwise, why are
you throwing all the picks at a guy for that
you're buying for a year. There's not a never I mean, look, brand,
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I've had conversations about this. Isn't like we just say
well what if No, No, we're not even going to
talk about that. Man. We talk about everything we do.
We sit there and I mean we've done We've thought
about that before. What if we did this, this and this?
You and I both agree that this is how we proceed, man.
This is how we go about our business, and we
have a long term approach.
Speaker 5 (01:45):
Stan Campbell, following the questions regarding the lack of movement
by his team at the trade deadline, Welcome back Exes
and Bros. Monday through Friday, six until nine. I'm Matt
Shephard and the phone number on the Myer hotline is
eight six six eight three eight forty eight forty three.
The text is Sports Radio twenty one thousand. I really
the callers and texters oftentimes make me think and I
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greatly appreciate that, because sometimes you need a to find
a way to look at things differently. I try to
look at just about every side possible, but sometimes emotion
gets in the way of all of us. And we
had a caller the other day, Jeff, who said, look,
I'm enjoying the ride. I just want to enjoy the
ride because he suffered, like I and many other Lions
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fans for years, have suffered through some very difficult times.
You know, there's there was a point in time where
my kids were really young and they never knew what
it was like for the Red Wings not to have
a good season. You know, you and I, many of
us together in this don't know what it's like for
the Lions to be contenders, regular contenders, and we are
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experiencing that now, and maybe we feel like, because at
some point our life is going to end shortly, that
it's got to be taken advantage of right now. I
don't know the reason for our angst, but Jeff's thoughts
of saying, listen, I want to enjoy the ride were,
you know, kind of hit home with me a little bit.
And I was thinking about that and wondering if there
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was an overreaction from the trade deadline, and I'm sure
or the lack of movement at the trade deadline because
you see other teams doing it. It's Christmas, man. You
want to open up as many presents as you possibly
can because you want to find a way for your
team to get better. Losing sometimes losing sight of the
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reason you trusted people in the first place. You have
to ask yourself, why do you trust Brad Holmes? Draft picks,
record player evaluation? It's mostly draft picks. You're right all
those things. Why do you trust Dan Campbell? Wins against law,
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loss's improvement of players, player development, all those things? Okay,
so those are all the things that you look at,
no question. But just because you trust somebody and their
judgment doesn't mean you always think they're right. I trust
my wife and her judgment a lot in decorating the house.
It doesn't mean that I always like the way the
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house is decorated. Just because I trust her in that aspect,
it doesn't mean I'm going to trust her when she
puts her head under the hood and tries to fix
the car if there's something wrong, you know what I mean.
So you can trust somebody, I can trust Brad Holmes
as much as anybody else, and I can trust Dan Campbell.
That doesn't mean I'm going to agree with every single
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move they make.
Speaker 6 (04:42):
You can trust your sun Sean to write a good song,
but you might not love it.
Speaker 5 (04:46):
Yeah, exactly right, I mean good example. So with all
that said, we have to because we don't know everything.
Speaker 7 (04:55):
And this.
Speaker 5 (04:57):
Is the trouble with the twenty four hour news slash
sports cycle. You people feel like I've got to give
an opinion on something right away. Now. I don't know
how much this has to do with Jeff saying, you know,
I'm just enjoying the ride, because, as I said yesterday,
I disagree with him. I agreed with his seventeen year
old son more so than I agreed with him, because
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at some point, I really believe this. At some point
you're gonna you're gonna say I need to see the
end result payoffs more so, you should expect more as
long as it's realistic. I don't expect Michigan State football
to win the Big Ten title, but I did expect
them to win enough games to make a bowl game,
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and if not, it's okay to be disappointed. And it's
sure as hell is okay to question where the coach
and the program is headed.
Speaker 6 (05:49):
You're not asking a ton to win six games, man.
Speaker 5 (05:52):
So with with the Lions, expecting them to win the
super Bowl or get to the super Bowl is the
ultimate goal. The players, the coaches, and the front office
have told us that. And to Jeff's point, you're eight
games deep. You don't know if it's going to happen
or not. And as I said to him yesterday, my
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hope is that they kicked me in the teeth that
they reached that super Bowl, even though they didn't really
make any moves at the trade deadline. And you and
I are talking about it like, you know, hey, we
were wrong. That's good. That would be a great thing
for the Lions. It'd be a great thing for the
Lions fan base. It'd be a great thing for me.
I would love to admit I'm wrong there. I don't
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want to feel like, Okay, this team can't do anything right.
That's not true. And it's not like this team hasn't
done things at the trade deadline. They have picked up guys.
It's not like they haven't made moves. For crying out loud,
they have traded for players, and I don't mean just
Zadarias Smith, but they have traded for players in the past,
Carlton Davis, and they have been good trades.
Speaker 6 (06:57):
Right.
Speaker 5 (06:58):
They have signed some free agents, maybe not as many
as you would like, but they have signed some free agents,
and they have made impacts, some not so much. DJ
Reader to a certain extent. DJ Read, not the guys
you necessarily or not the type of numbers and statistics
and impact you were hoping for originally, but getting some
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that said you look at what this team has done,
and knowing that we don't know everything, maybe the price
was just too high. When I gave examples yesterday though,
and I gave plenty of certain players traded for six
or seventh round picks, I always ask myself, where are
those sixth and seventh round picks? And then the other
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thing they're asking us to do is they're asking us
to believe in certain players who we have not seen before,
but they have. Miles Fraser is a good example. Miles
Fraser is going to be one of those guys who's
expected to help help this team with the offensive line depth.
Rather than trade for one, we want Miles Frasier to
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come in and help this team a little bit. And
what you get is you get a push from the
team to writers about how effective he has been at
LSU and Florida International prior to and to me, that's
a little strange, unproven. I don't know how you can
expect us to buy in on a guy we haven't
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seen yet, who's been injured, and you want us to
use his college football resume, knowing full well that those
college football resumes don't always translate to the National Football League.
If you've told us that, we've recognized that other players
have proven that, and even if that's the case, otherwise
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Jeff Acuda would still be the starting corner for the
Detroit Lions. Okay, on top of all that, you've got
guys who you have drafted who had a good college
football resume and it has not translated. Hell, you have
signed guys who have a good NFL resume at times
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and it hasn't turned out to be as good as
we thought. So you have to understand why there is
certain skepticism from loyal members of Lions fandom and from
members of the media too. If you're telling us that
the price was too steep and we're going to take
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your word. Then there's a lot of people out there
who would answer this way. Why wasn't it as steep
for some of the other teams to add to their depth?
And I guess the immediate response from the lines would be,
we feel like we have depth, and it has been
shown at times. Case in point, the Tampa Bay Buccaneers
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legion of whom we didn't know those people, Brad Holmes
and Dan Campbell did trusted them enough to put them
out there and have them perform at a high level,
so much so that Baker Mayfield, who was an MVP candidate,
was frustrated all day. I would remind people there were
thirty pressures that really helped them. But still you understand
the point, Okay. I'm trying as best I can to
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figure out why Jeff was feeling the way he is
and how I can possibly convert it or could be converted,
and I'm still not finding it. He made me think
he just didn't change my mind. The phone number on
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Speaker 2 (11:19):
So I hurt my hip at the gym and ended
up with Phi Urgent Care. They really took care of me.
They referred me to one of their physios and while
working on my core, the physio noticed I was walking
a little oddly, so she refers me to a VHI
podiatrist and he was able to help me correct my gait.
So yeah, it was. It was really great how VHI
was able to connect all the dots.
Speaker 3 (11:43):
VHI, because your health means everything.
Speaker 7 (11:50):
I feel like well, I think I have a long
long way to go. I'm nowhere in there as good
as I can be. I say, okay, I don't think
he's lower in there as good as he can be.
I think he's easily on his way to be one
of the not even one of, but the best guard
in our league. I think as we continue to get
older and grow and continue to learn each other in
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bill chemistry and you know, just just keep playing games together,
I think that's when the show over time and in
the scouts and Eyne.
Speaker 5 (12:20):
It's Jalen Duran after a twenty two and twenty two
game last night. I know that it takes a while
for us to view a certain player and feel like
they've arrived. Okay, I mean it takes an awful lot
for a player to get you to buy in right away,
right Kate Cunningham had a lot of people buy in
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right away. Isaiah Thomas had a lot of people buy
in right away because he dazzled and he was the
best player on a really bad basketball team. Of course,
people brought into Kelly Tripuke at the time too, because
he could really shoot. But Duran's been really impressive so far.
And I'm not saying saying he's an All NBA performer,
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but he has gotten better at spacing, at defending, at
moving his feet, at staying out of foul trouble. I'm
generalizing here. There's a game or two in there that
has been a little bit of an issue. But with
more minutes he has gained some more responsibility, more confidence,
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seventh of the league and rebounding right now, which is great.
Now he needs to be Nikola Vucevich is averaging thirty
two minutes a game, Like, how much of this is JB. Bickerstaff,
How much of this is Jalen Duran. I don't know
the answer to that yet, but you'd like to see
him play a little bit more than what he is
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right now. Nikola Jokic plays thirty five minutes, Demantas Sabonis
averages thirty five minutes. Victor Webbin yama ad for average
is thirty four stop. I'm not saying he's the same
player as them, ok I'm just saying, from a minute standpoint,
I would like to see him play more. Hell Isaiah,
you know who Isaiah Hartenstein is. For Okay, see he
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plays thirty minutes a game. That has to increase. For
Jalen Durant, I know they play different games. I love
his hustle, I love how he has becoming a lot
more active for Detroit and almost go to might be
a little bit of a strong word, but they're not
winning six of their first day. They have won four
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in a row just because of Kate Cunningham. He's been
the primary reason, but he's not the only reason. So
I really like where Jalen Duran is at and I
hope it continues. Welcome back, Meyer. Hotline is eighty sixty
six eight three eight forty eight forty three. The text
line his Sports radio to twenty one thousand. Look, we
were talking just before the break about the Lions and
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some of the things that you know, we see as
a positive, and we are trying to trying to in
the corner on the trade deadline day if they win
in Washington, and they should win in Washington. Okay, there's
no Jaden Daniels, there's no Terry McLaurin. Battling with myself
internally here, I could say, well, Taylor Decker is supposed
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to be out, Christian Mahogany is out. Penny Sewele says
he's going to make I think he's made fifty nine
consecutive starts. He says he's going to play, which is great,
but you've lost some players too. Let's not lose sight
of that. Detroit won and lost early on without Alee McNeil.
They won without DJ Reid. They've won without Terry and Arnold.
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They've won without Brian Branch. They've won without other players
who've been important to either side of the football. They've
won without Taylor Decker for crying out loud, Kirby Joseph.
So they should win in Washington. I don't think that
wipes away the concern that people will have. They'll be
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able to boast still haven't lost back to back games
a few years. That's fine. I would brag about it too.
I think the reckoning comes in two weeks when they're
at Philadelphia and playing the Eagles on the road. An
Eagles team that you know some have. Howie Roseman is
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everybody's desirable general manager. They're coming off a Super Bowl.
They lose a guy like Brandon Graham, they coax him
back out of retirement. They sign a guy like Zadarias Smith.
He's not productive, he retires. That's okay. We'll trade for
Jalen Phillips. We need some help on the back end.
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We'll trade for Jir Alexander and others right, and giving
up just a six round draft pick for it. He's
not standing pat. He believes in improving his team. Those
are the types of general managers fans love. It's not
fantasy football, it's real football. It's I don't give a
crap about the picks right now. Depending on where the
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pick is, you can have multiple picks and deal from
a position of strength. I guess the question I would
have for the Lions is if you traded for a
Jaln Phillips, and that's impossible to do because you didn't
have a third round pick. You got a first, a second,
a fourth, a fifth, two, sixth and two seventh, I believe.
But if you traded a third round pick or a
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second round pick or a fourth round pick for Phillips,
you couldn't do the second that would be ridiculous. But
a fourth round pick for somebody, you realize if you
lose that player, you get the fourth round pick back, right,
you know that?
Speaker 6 (17:35):
Okay, compensitory whatever.
Speaker 5 (17:37):
That the magic of what Roseman has done, and I
think what Lions fans would like to see Brad Holmes
do is that he is as Albert Breer of CBS
Sports or SI dot Com. Excuse me put it? He said, Look,
his strength is he's got enough in asset management to
have three third round picks stockpiled, so moving one of
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them isn't a big deal. That's what makes Philly different.
Detroit has six sevens. Could they have not moved any
of them? That would have been one of my questions.
The other question is, and I think we brought this up,
you moved your third round picks on draft day, which
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is fine. You believed in a specific player, Isaac Taeslah.
And I'm telling you, folks, there are certain players that
general managers believe in and tell us they believe in.
Bob Quinn did that with a cornerback. Do you remember
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do you remember the second round pick Tease Tabor out
of Florida? What did Bob Quinn say? I watched more
tape on him than any player I think I've ever scouted,
That's what he said. Okay, he used a second round
pick on him. He hardly ever played.
Speaker 6 (19:00):
He was also terrible when he did play.
Speaker 5 (19:03):
Yeah, and you know what, he never lived that. And
I'm not talking about Taper, I'm talking about Bob Quinn. Yeah,
that's a guy that you looked at and you went,
oh my god, I can't believe he did that. You
used a second round pick out of a big program too,
By the way, I mean we're talking about Florida. You
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go out there and you scout you and I scout
Florida because we're watching him every flipping weekend. Right, You
use that much capital on him, and he started five
games for you in two years before you let him loose. Okay,
one of the biggest busts the Lions have ever had.
You can go back to Andre where you can talk
about him. You can talk about Joey Harrington, you can
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talk about Charles Rogers, you could talk about all kinds
of different players. Mike Williams, go ahead, Lake and Tomlinson, Laken, Tomlinson.
Speaker 6 (19:54):
Well, he ended up being filling the Super Bowl, wasn't
He's been a good player.
Speaker 5 (19:58):
Yeah, he was out of North Carolina. He was a
good guard. He was a really good guard.
Speaker 6 (20:01):
I think it was Duke that wasn't a Duke or
Duke Yeah.
Speaker 5 (20:04):
I'm sorry, Yeah, Duke acc got the two blue bloods
mixed up. The tease taber thing is he went to
Chicago and started one game and then went to Seattle,
and started one game in two years. We're talking about
a guy who was a second round pick, played in
thirty nine games, started seven, and out of the league
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at the age of twenty eight in a league that
needs corners, needs depth, could not play all right. Every
general manager who doesn't win a Super Bowl and talks
about certain players like that are held to those players.
When Brad Holmes said, Isaac Tislaw's my favorite receiver in
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the draft and he gives up that much capital? Was
it three third rounders? Is that what it was to
move up? What was it ten spots to get Isaac Tesla?
That kid should be starting for you right away? Am
I run there? He should be starting right away? How
in the world? And I like the kid I predicted.
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I said, you know what this guy's going to be
and he's not just because he's a local guy. I
like him because I think he's a big, physical receiver,
and I think he's one of those guys who can
really help your team in a lot of different ways.
But I want to know why he's not playing. Seriously,
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we're talking about a kid who has played in eight
games and has one start and has three receptions and
six targets. You can look at snap percentage on players.
It's a fun thing to do. His percentage on snaps
is twenty one percent.
Speaker 6 (21:58):
Having fewer targets than games played is just crazy.
Speaker 5 (22:01):
As a third ron pick, I'm telling you, Trent, I'm
looking at this and I'm going hold on a second.
Either he's not good enough or the Lion's staff doesn't
know what it's doing. It's got to be one of
the other. If it's a combo, it's a problem. We'll
take some texts when we come back. We're brought to
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Speaker 2 (22:50):
So I hurt my hip at the gym and ended
up at Phi urgent care. They really took care of me.
They referred me to one of their physios and while
working on my core, the notice I was walking at
it oddly, so she refers me to a VHI podiatrist
and he was able to help me correct my gait.
Speaker 6 (23:08):
So yeah, it was.
Speaker 2 (23:08):
It was really great have VHI was able to connect
all the dots.
Speaker 3 (23:14):
VHI because your health means everything.
Speaker 5 (23:34):
Thirty five after the hour, Welcome back Actions and Bros.
Monday through Friday six and till nine. Thanks for being
with us. I want to get to your text You
can call us on the Meyer hotline eight sixty six
eight three eight forty eight forty three, or you can
text US Sports Radio twenty one thousand. So let's get
to some texts. Go ahead, Trent.
Speaker 6 (23:52):
How much credit does Trajan Langdon get for not extending
Jalen Durham and Jade and Ivy I say a lot
in the past. The owner is just extending everyone without
proving it.
Speaker 5 (24:06):
Yeah, being patient is tough. Why should he deserve credit? Oh?
I see, I think I'm reading the text. I get it.
Here's what they're saying. Make sure they have a good
year before you extend him, right, agreed, Jalen Durham continues,
at this rate, you're going to extend him, right, you
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would think, okay, what if he doesn't?
Speaker 6 (24:32):
You probably wait? You have to wait, right, you wait?
Speaker 5 (24:37):
What for? How long?
Speaker 6 (24:40):
Until you have no more team control?
Speaker 5 (24:43):
Okay? So another year?
Speaker 6 (24:44):
And even if you have to pay more because you waited,
at least it's worth it because if the player then
proves that they're worth more money, does how does that
really hurt you? You know what I mean?
Speaker 5 (25:00):
Do you think there could be a situation where either player,
specifically the player we just talked about, says, you know what,
you didn't show faith in me.
Speaker 6 (25:13):
I'm out sure, but I think rather than getting a
bargain early, if you wait their rookie contract out and
then pay them, and maybe you have to pay them
more and you don't get as much of a deal. Right,
I don't see anything. I don't see a problem with that.
That's all I'm saying.
Speaker 5 (25:32):
Yeah, just so you know, I mean, so they can
be basically, so people know, so they have a rookie
scale deal it ends at this year. That means they
can now become restricted free agents. Yep, okay, just so
people are aware they've been given opportunities. I don't know
quite honestly, how to how to view Jade and Ivies
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twenty three last year was on pace for a career
high in points and field goal percentage and three point shooting,
rebounding and all these different things. Ivy, what's his cap number? Thirty?
I think it's thirty.
Speaker 6 (26:07):
Yeah, sounds right.
Speaker 5 (26:09):
Yeah. Durrance is nineteen and a half. So Detroit can
match any opposing team's offer seat this coming next summer, okay,
this summer if you will to keep them. I don't
know what other teams will look at that. I think
both are attractive. I don't can't imagine anybody paying them
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so much where Detroit wouldn't be able to match it.
You're basically letting the other teams set the market price
for you with your two players. Fine, I hope you
don't lose either one of them. I would pay them
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depending on the price tag. I think Jalen Duran can
be He's a young he's twenty two years old. Man,
he's a young player. He's getting better. Jade, and he's
concerning for obvious reasons. But when healthy really compliments Kate Cunningham,
think about it, for a minute, Folks, this team has
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won six of its first date. They've won four in
a row. They've done it with herculean effort from Kate Cunningham.
To a certain extent, I mentioned the two bigs. For sure,
you lose Jade and Ivy. That's not an easy thing
to quickly replace. Okay, shooting, versatility, deck and drive guy.
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You know, I know he doesn't always The numbers wouldn't
tell you they played great together. But you do need
a guy who can shoot the basketball. You don't have
that on your team right now. You don't think this
team misses Jade and Ivy just because just because they
wont six of their first date doesn't mean, folks, that
you can just pan it off.
Speaker 6 (27:51):
It doesn't mean that they couldn't.
Speaker 5 (27:54):
It doesn't mean that everything's fine. You can still be better. Yeah,
why do you think Malik Beasley is out there talking
openly on social media about you know, if I come back,
I'm coming back to the Pistons. I can't talk about
the Pistons, but my agent can. Because Detroit lax shooting
right now, there's no Marcus Sasser, there's no Jaden Ivy
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Karsla versus. Not a three point shooter, and Duncan Robinson
has struggled.
Speaker 6 (28:20):
He's been underwhelming. Yeah, yeah, he's.
Speaker 5 (28:22):
Been really underwhelming. I didn't expect him. I hope you
didn't either. I don't expect him to come in and
average twenty five points a game.
Speaker 6 (28:29):
No, but his reputation was you know, he could at
least come in and fill the shoes on Malik Beasley.
Speaker 5 (28:35):
Yeah. I mean he made one hundred and eighty plus
triples a year ago. Now that's not as many as
Malik Beasley, but he was supposed to be part of
the answer, all right. I said this when Beasley was
not signed, and for good reason. I said this before.
I said, you have to make up a certain amount
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of threes. Beasley set a franchise record. Tim Hardaway had
a lot of threes. How are you going to do that? So,
I said, if you're thinking that it's just Duncan Robinson,
you would be wrong. He made I said one hundred
and eighty. He made one hundred and ninety threes last year,
more than to a game. Okay, he made one hundred
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and eighty seven threes the year before. Is it fair
to assume that he would be able to do that yes,
I think so, Okay, I think that's fair to say that. Yes,
he's the kind of guy that I think is can
can partially fill the shoes of Malik Beasley. Okay, but
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he wasn't going to be the only one. I said,
Ron Holland's going to have to do that. I said,
Asar Thompson's going to have to do that. And sar
Thompson a little bit of a scare last night with
an injury that fortunately he came back from. But I said,
if you really feel like three point shooting is the
way things go go in today's league, and it does,
(30:02):
how do you make up three hundred and nineteen from
Malik Beasley? There's only one player who made more last
year than Malik Beasley. Okay, so how do you make
that up? In addition to the three nineteen, Tim Hardaway,
who I think was kind of underappreciated, he made one
hundred and sixty eight. So let's just say it's a
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wash between the two Michigan players, with Tim Hardaway Junior
the one sixty eight and Duncan Robinson with the one ninety.
I know you're giving him about thirty or so, but
I said to you, look If you think Karris Levertz
going to come in and fill that void left by
one of those three point shooters, you're sadly mistaken. You
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don't really know his game. He only made forty six
threes last year. There's only three times in his career
where he's made more than one hundred triples. Doesn't He's
not that kind of player. The most he's ever made
was one twenty seven. So where is the rest of
it going to come from? What did I say? Sure,
(31:09):
those young players, but I said, you know who's the
other guy? The really important player is Jade n Ivy. Now,
you may not always like the way the NBA has
played today because we all we do is we see
three pointers may or three pointers attempted, and it gets
really old. Okay, I get it. I'm not going to
(31:30):
completely disagree with you. But if that is the way
the game is played and your team thrived in that
type of environment a year ago, you need a guy
who can do just that to make up for the
guys you lost.
Speaker 6 (31:45):
You got a hold pace Man and.
Speaker 5 (31:47):
Jade and Ivy last year, two years ago, I'm sorry,
two years he had one hundred and twenty four triples made.
And before you say, well, that's not three nineteen like
Malik Beasley. No, but you expect growth from younger players.
Twenty three years old, he made He was well on
his way. He made sixty three triples last year in
thirty games. Okay, So when you're making that many threes
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and you're trying that many threes, you're making too a game.
What are you gonna get. You're gonna get the one
to eighty one to ninety Okay, yeah, hopefully you make
a little bit more one game, right, So you're getting
close to that. So you understand where my point was.
Those three guys had to make up for the loss
of one prolific three point shooter for one season, and
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without him it's really important. Does that mean you extend him.
Absolutely not. I'm just telling you. If you don't extend
to him and he signs as a restricted free agent
elsewhere and you don't match it, you're going to make
up those threes. That's two. That would be two years
in a row. Now where you're suddenly trying to find
an answer from deep range more texts go ahead.
Speaker 6 (32:56):
Sheap, attempting to draw comparison between Quinn and Holmes via
tease Tape born Isaac'saslaws reckless to Slavs. Eight games into
his NFL career, he's had two very impressive catches, but
made a few good blocks. We haven't or haven't we
been complaining about the offensive efficiency?
Speaker 5 (33:13):
Yeah, I don't. I don't think it's my point. I
wasn't comparing Tease Table and Isaac Teslaw. What I was
comparing is that general managers are oftentimes defined by certain moves. Yeah,
they're judged by certain draft picks, yes, right. And when
Brad Holmes comes out and says Tesla is my favorite
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receiver in the draft, and Bob Quinn says, I've never
seen a guy on tape as much as I've seen
teaz Table. You are, by fans, married to those players,
and those players better be good because your reputation is
on the line. You surrendered three third round picks for
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this young player. My question, if you would listened all
the way through, was why is any playing? That's an issue.
You would think you would think just a regular third
round player or third round pick would be playing. Okay,
I'm not saying he should play over a'man Rossain Brown
or Jamison Williams, but he's a third round pick. You
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would think he would be a starter. Okay, you reupt
with Jamison Williams, which makes the third round pick even
more confusing to me. Anyway, Okay, because there's only one
football to go around.
Speaker 6 (34:29):
Wasn't Kirby Joseph a third round pick?
Speaker 5 (34:32):
I believe so? I believe so.
Speaker 6 (34:34):
So was Tracy Walker? He started for you for years.
So was Kenny Galladay. He got paid.
Speaker 5 (34:39):
Yeah, he got paid by the New York I'm glad
he didn't get paid by the Lions. And Kenny Galladay
put up in good numbers, and you're right, that's why
he did get paid. But either way, you've got a
guy who should be a starter and he's barely playing
at all. It's the assumption, and we don't think this.
I don't think it I but the assumption on the
(35:01):
outside looking in is like, that's a wasted pick. Yeah,
in a third round. I've said this at nauseum forever.
The first three round should be starters, period. Your first
round pick, your second round pick, your third round pick.
I give a little bit of leeway to a quarterback
because it's a tough adjustment, but still, Hendon Hooker was
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the third round pick. He should be the backup. Okay,
he should be groomed to be that next starting quarterback.
Yeah right, and he just got cut last week by
Carolina I believe anyway. Yeah, Isaac Teslaw, who I like?
Speaker 6 (35:38):
Who?
Speaker 5 (35:38):
I said, he's going to be your third wide receiver.
People argued with me, No, it's Khalie Fraeman. I said,
you don't spend a third round pick. You don't spend
that type of capital if you don't start the guy.
Why isn't he starting what he started one game? Why
isn't he playing more? Why is he again more targets.
You can defend it all you want, and I like him.
I'll repeat that, I like him. Targets three catches is
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not worthy of a third round choice, and don't tell
me it is. And I know we've been complaining about
the offense. This is an additional complaint about the offense.
I'm not blaming Isaac Teslaw, per se. I'm wondering, is
it him not getting the offense and comprehending what he's
supposed to. Is it John Morton not being creative enough
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to find a way to get him involved. Is it
Dan Campbell not stepping in and saying, this kid's got
to be more involved. How are you down in the
red zone more often and not getting him looks? Six targets,
eight games, three catches granted, two touchdowns, two spectacular grabs. Actually,
I would say all three of his catches were pretty
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damn good, because one didn't go for a touchdown.
Speaker 6 (36:47):
It was a first down or whatever, So it's fantastic.
Speaker 5 (36:50):
That might have been the best of all of them.
But you've got to admit I don't care how much
you support him, because I do too. You've got to
admit that, qu there's a question question there. If you
don't see that, I can't help you, man.
Speaker 6 (37:04):
And you also don't need to be mad at the player.
Speaker 5 (37:07):
Right That's why I said it's not on Isaac Teslaw.
I'm wondering out loud. Is it him? Is it the
offensive coordinator? Is it the head coach? Is this a
general manager? Why in the world did you draft a
guy in the third round? Give up three third round picks.
That's big capital to get a guy who is your
favorite receiver in the draft, and now we're watching him
play on special teams or sit on the bench with
his helmet between his feet. It's looking at another wide
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receiver and saying, nice grab.
Speaker 6 (37:30):
I'm just simply bringing that up because I know that
a lot of the people like he's the hometown kids,
so a lot of people are biased towards him. You
don't need to be mad at the player per se, because,
like Chef's saying, it could be on the coaching staff
as much as anybody.
Speaker 5 (37:45):
It's it's frustrating to know that this dude is a
good player by all intensive purposes. Sure looks like a
good player. Not saying Brad Holmes is wrong. I'm wondering aloud,
and it's a fair question.
Speaker 6 (38:02):
Yes it is.
Speaker 5 (38:03):
Why isn't he being utilized more in this offense?
Speaker 6 (38:08):
Shep? He's not even being looked at?
Speaker 5 (38:10):
So I said, I said targets. Target's going to get
six targets, six targets, three catches, eight games, one start.
That's a bad line. If if it were somebody other
than this guy who's a local product, and it wasn't
a third round pick, or was let's say it was
a third round pick, would you not be wondering aloud?
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How the hell is this possible? Why is this being done?
Speaker 6 (38:36):
Yeah?
Speaker 5 (38:37):
Another text, go ahead.
Speaker 6 (38:39):
This one comes from a good friend, and he simply says,
Kris Levertz got to go. By the way, this friend
is a Michigan fan.
Speaker 5 (38:47):
Look, it shouldn't matter at some point. Who cares whether
you support Michigan or Michigan State when they get to
your professional team, that should go right out the window.
If you're a Michigan State fan and you're rooting against
eight Hutchinson, but you say you love the lines, you're
a liar. Okay, good example. You know if you were
a Pistons fan and they draft him at teen Cleeves
(39:08):
and you said, sorry, I can't stand him issue, so
I don't want him to succeed, you're not a Pistons fan.
Check it at the damn door. Okay, it's stupid, it's
it's we're eight games in, man, I would gotta go.
You're bringing him off the bench, your suggestion, you got
(39:28):
to go. So this would be my question. Then, Okay,
let's say you don't want him on this team anymore
because he's been disappointing to you. Fine, who gets his minutes?
Speaker 6 (39:42):
I mean, I I the senic and me and you
might agree with me. Shep. I would say, Marcus Sasser,
he's not available, but who gets his minutes? And the
he's got the big I'd rather or more.
Speaker 5 (39:55):
There's a hip problem, okay, based.
Speaker 8 (39:59):
On what.
Speaker 6 (40:02):
I don't know. Potential right, potential?
Speaker 5 (40:05):
Okay, So you'd rather have potential rather than a guy
who's proven.
Speaker 6 (40:09):
I'm not saying I would. I'm saying, if you're gonna
take away Lavert's minutes, who's gonna take him? My answer
is Marcus Sassar?
Speaker 5 (40:17):
Right, And my question to that is how effective do
you think Marcus Sasser is going to be? Yeah, you know,
he's a better three point shooter. I would agree with that.
He shoots more threes, He's more capable of a three point.
That's more his game. Marcus Sasser is a fifteen minute
a night player.
Speaker 6 (40:37):
Yeah, he can also run point guard, which if you're
trying to take that, well, if you're trying to take
the pressure off Cade, that matters.
Speaker 5 (40:45):
I suppose. So I'm not trying to make take the
pressure off Kate. I mean, he gets a lot of money.
I want the pressure on Kate. I don't give a
crap about that. I mean, do you want Javonte Green
in there? Do you think he fits? I'm just wondering
I mean, you say, Karris Levertz got to go. He
gave you ten and nineteen last night ten in nineteen.
You picked him up. What was your expectation? My expectation
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for him was he was going to be about a
twenty minute a night player, and I was hoping for
a line of you know, eleven, twelve and five. That's
what I'm hoping for. He's kind of giving me. To
be honest with you, he's given me almost what I expected.
So maybe I'm at fault here because my expectations weren't
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high enough. You really got to figure out who the
guy is, all right. Last year he gave you fifteen
points per game in Atlanta in twenty six and a
half minutes injuries play apart, he was injured, So that's
why I lowered it to twenty and hoping for about
eleven and twelve. Eleven or twelve. You give you eleven
(41:48):
points off the bench on a regular basis, giving you
twenty minutes, that's good production.
Speaker 6 (41:52):
You'll take that.
Speaker 7 (41:53):
Yeah.
Speaker 5 (41:54):
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Speaker 2 (00:30):
So I hurt my hip at the gym and ended
up with Phi Urgent Care. They really took care of me.
They referred me to one of their physios and while
working on my core, the physio noticed I was walking
a little oddly, so she refers me to a Vhi
podiatrist and he was able to help me correct my gait.
So yeah, it was It was really great how Vhi
was able to connect on the dots.
Speaker 3 (00:54):
Vhi because your health means everything.
Speaker 4 (01:05):
When you start talking like that, like throw all the
picks away, that's you know, that's that's a lot. It's
a lot of capital, especially with the guys that we've
got that we're signing and we want to continue to
sign to keep what we have intact. You know, now
you're not only you're throwing the picks, you're also you
got to pay that player too, probably Otherwise, why are
you throwing all the picks at a guy for that
you're buying for a year. There's not a never I mean, look, brand,
(01:26):
I've had conversations about this. Isn't like we just say
well what if No, No, we're not even going to
talk about that. Man. We talk about everything we do.
We sit there and I mean we've done We've thought
about that before. What if we did this, this and this?
You and I both agree that this is how we proceed, man.
This is how we go about our business, and we
have a long term approach.
Speaker 5 (01:45):
Stan Campbell, following the questions regarding the lack of movement
by his team at the trade deadline, Welcome back Exes
and Bros. Monday through Friday, six until nine. I'm Matt
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The text is Sports Radio twenty one thousand. I really
the callers and texters oftentimes make me think and I
(02:09):
greatly appreciate that, because sometimes you need a to find
a way to look at things differently. I try to
look at just about every side possible, but sometimes emotion
gets in the way of all of us. And we
had a caller the other day, Jeff, who said, look,
I'm enjoying the ride. I just want to enjoy the
ride because he suffered, like I and many other Lions
(02:30):
fans for years, have suffered through some very difficult times.
You know, there's there was a point in time where
my kids were really young and they never knew what
it was like for the Red Wings not to have
a good season. You know, you and I, many of
us together in this don't know what it's like for
the Lions to be contenders, regular contenders, and we are
(02:53):
experiencing that now, and maybe we feel like, because at
some point our life is going to end shortly, that
it's got to be taken advantage of right now. I
don't know the reason for our angst, but Jeff's thoughts
of saying, listen, I want to enjoy the ride were,
you know, kind of hit home with me a little bit.
And I was thinking about that and wondering if there
(03:17):
was an overreaction from the trade deadline, and I'm sure
or the lack of movement at the trade deadline because
you see other teams doing it. It's Christmas, man. You
want to open up as many presents as you possibly
can because you want to find a way for your
team to get better. Losing sometimes losing sight of the
(03:37):
reason you trusted people in the first place. You have
to ask yourself, why do you trust Brad Holmes? Draft picks,
record player evaluation? It's mostly draft picks. You're right all
those things. Why do you trust Dan Campbell? Wins against law,
(04:00):
loss's improvement of players, player development, all those things? Okay,
so those are all the things that you look at,
no question. But just because you trust somebody and their
judgment doesn't mean you always think they're right. I trust
my wife and her judgment a lot in decorating the house.
It doesn't mean that I always like the way the
(04:20):
house is decorated. Just because I trust her in that aspect,
it doesn't mean I'm going to trust her when she
puts her head under the hood and tries to fix
the car if there's something wrong, you know what I mean.
So you can trust somebody, I can trust Brad Holmes
as much as anybody else, and I can trust Dan Campbell.
That doesn't mean I'm going to agree with every single
(04:41):
move they make.
Speaker 6 (04:42):
You can trust your sun Sean to write a good song,
but you might not love it.
Speaker 5 (04:46):
Yeah, exactly right, I mean good example. So with all
that said, we have to because we don't know everything.
Speaker 7 (04:55):
And this.
Speaker 5 (04:57):
Is the trouble with the twenty four hour news slash
sports cycle. You people feel like I've got to give
an opinion on something right away. Now. I don't know
how much this has to do with Jeff saying, you know,
I'm just enjoying the ride, because, as I said yesterday,
I disagree with him. I agreed with his seventeen year
old son more so than I agreed with him, because
(05:19):
at some point, I really believe this. At some point
you're gonna you're gonna say I need to see the
end result payoffs more so, you should expect more as
long as it's realistic. I don't expect Michigan State football
to win the Big Ten title, but I did expect
them to win enough games to make a bowl game,
(05:41):
and if not, it's okay to be disappointed. And it's
sure as hell is okay to question where the coach
and the program is headed.
Speaker 6 (05:49):
You're not asking a ton to win six games, man.
Speaker 5 (05:52):
So with with the Lions, expecting them to win the
super Bowl or get to the super Bowl is the
ultimate goal. The players, the coaches, and the front office
have told us that. And to Jeff's point, you're eight
games deep. You don't know if it's going to happen
or not. And as I said to him yesterday, my
(06:14):
hope is that they kicked me in the teeth that
they reached that super Bowl, even though they didn't really
make any moves at the trade deadline. And you and
I are talking about it like, you know, hey, we
were wrong. That's good. That would be a great thing
for the Lions. It'd be a great thing for the
Lions fan base. It'd be a great thing for me.
I would love to admit I'm wrong there. I don't
(06:35):
want to feel like, Okay, this team can't do anything right.
That's not true. And it's not like this team hasn't
done things at the trade deadline. They have picked up guys.
It's not like they haven't made moves. For crying out loud,
they have traded for players, and I don't mean just
Zadarias Smith, but they have traded for players in the past,
Carlton Davis, and they have been good trades.
Speaker 6 (06:57):
Right.
Speaker 5 (06:58):
They have signed some free agents, maybe not as many
as you would like, but they have signed some free agents,
and they have made impacts, some not so much. DJ
Reader to a certain extent. DJ Read, not the guys
you necessarily or not the type of numbers and statistics
and impact you were hoping for originally, but getting some
(07:21):
that said you look at what this team has done,
and knowing that we don't know everything, maybe the price
was just too high. When I gave examples yesterday though,
and I gave plenty of certain players traded for six
or seventh round picks, I always ask myself, where are
those sixth and seventh round picks? And then the other
(07:44):
thing they're asking us to do is they're asking us
to believe in certain players who we have not seen before,
but they have. Miles Fraser is a good example. Miles
Fraser is going to be one of those guys who's
expected to help help this team with the offensive line depth.
Rather than trade for one, we want Miles Frasier to
(08:07):
come in and help this team a little bit. And
what you get is you get a push from the
team to writers about how effective he has been at
LSU and Florida International prior to and to me, that's
a little strange, unproven. I don't know how you can
expect us to buy in on a guy we haven't
(08:30):
seen yet, who's been injured, and you want us to
use his college football resume, knowing full well that those
college football resumes don't always translate to the National Football League.
If you've told us that, we've recognized that other players
have proven that, and even if that's the case, otherwise
(08:53):
Jeff Acuda would still be the starting corner for the
Detroit Lions. Okay, on top of all that, you've got
guys who you have drafted who had a good college
football resume and it has not translated. Hell, you have
signed guys who have a good NFL resume at times
(09:15):
and it hasn't turned out to be as good as
we thought. So you have to understand why there is
certain skepticism from loyal members of Lions fandom and from
members of the media too. If you're telling us that
the price was too steep and we're going to take
(09:37):
your word. Then there's a lot of people out there
who would answer this way. Why wasn't it as steep
for some of the other teams to add to their depth?
And I guess the immediate response from the lines would be,
we feel like we have depth, and it has been
shown at times. Case in point, the Tampa Bay Buccaneers
(10:00):
legion of whom we didn't know those people, Brad Holmes
and Dan Campbell did trusted them enough to put them
out there and have them perform at a high level,
so much so that Baker Mayfield, who was an MVP candidate,
was frustrated all day. I would remind people there were
thirty pressures that really helped them. But still you understand
the point, Okay. I'm trying as best I can to
(10:25):
figure out why Jeff was feeling the way he is
and how I can possibly convert it or could be converted,
and I'm still not finding it. He made me think
he just didn't change my mind. The phone number on
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So I hurt my hip at the gym and ended
up with Phi Urgent Care. They really took care of me.
They referred me to one of their physios and while
working on my core, the physio noticed I was walking
a little oddly, so she refers me to a VHI
podiatrist and he was able to help me correct my gait.
So yeah, it was. It was really great how VHI
was able to connect all the dots.
Speaker 3 (11:43):
VHI, because your health means everything.
Speaker 7 (11:50):
I feel like well, I think I have a long
long way to go. I'm nowhere in there as good
as I can be. I say, okay, I don't think
he's lower in there as good as he can be.
I think he's easily on his way to be one
of the not even one of, but the best guard
in our league. I think as we continue to get
older and grow and continue to learn each other in
(12:11):
bill chemistry and you know, just just keep playing games together,
I think that's when the show over time and in
the scouts and Eyne.
Speaker 5 (12:20):
It's Jalen Duran after a twenty two and twenty two
game last night. I know that it takes a while
for us to view a certain player and feel like
they've arrived. Okay, I mean it takes an awful lot
for a player to get you to buy in right away,
right Kate Cunningham had a lot of people buy in
(12:42):
right away. Isaiah Thomas had a lot of people buy
in right away because he dazzled and he was the
best player on a really bad basketball team. Of course,
people brought into Kelly Tripuke at the time too, because
he could really shoot. But Duran's been really impressive so far.
And I'm not saying saying he's an All NBA performer,
(13:02):
but he has gotten better at spacing, at defending, at
moving his feet, at staying out of foul trouble. I'm
generalizing here. There's a game or two in there that
has been a little bit of an issue. But with
more minutes he has gained some more responsibility, more confidence,
(13:26):
seventh of the league and rebounding right now, which is great.
Now he needs to be Nikola Vucevich is averaging thirty
two minutes a game, Like, how much of this is JB. Bickerstaff,
How much of this is Jalen Duran. I don't know
the answer to that yet, but you'd like to see
him play a little bit more than what he is
(13:46):
right now. Nikola Jokic plays thirty five minutes, Demantas Sabonis
averages thirty five minutes. Victor Webbin yama ad for average
is thirty four stop. I'm not saying he's the same
player as them, ok I'm just saying, from a minute standpoint,
I would like to see him play more. Hell Isaiah,
you know who Isaiah Hartenstein is. For Okay, see he
(14:08):
plays thirty minutes a game. That has to increase. For
Jalen Durant, I know they play different games. I love
his hustle, I love how he has becoming a lot
more active for Detroit and almost go to might be
a little bit of a strong word, but they're not
winning six of their first day. They have won four
(14:29):
in a row just because of Kate Cunningham. He's been
the primary reason, but he's not the only reason. So
I really like where Jalen Duran is at and I
hope it continues. Welcome back, Meyer. Hotline is eighty sixty
six eight three eight forty eight forty three. The text
line his Sports radio to twenty one thousand. Look, we
were talking just before the break about the Lions and
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some of the things that you know, we see as
a positive, and we are trying to trying to in
the corner on the trade deadline day if they win
in Washington, and they should win in Washington. Okay, there's
no Jaden Daniels, there's no Terry McLaurin. Battling with myself
internally here, I could say, well, Taylor Decker is supposed
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to be out, Christian Mahogany is out. Penny Sewele says
he's going to make I think he's made fifty nine
consecutive starts. He says he's going to play, which is great,
but you've lost some players too. Let's not lose sight
of that. Detroit won and lost early on without Alee McNeil.
They won without DJ Reid. They've won without Terry and Arnold.
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They've won without Brian Branch. They've won without other players
who've been important to either side of the football. They've
won without Taylor Decker for crying out loud, Kirby Joseph.
So they should win in Washington. I don't think that
wipes away the concern that people will have. They'll be
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able to boast still haven't lost back to back games
a few years. That's fine. I would brag about it too.
I think the reckoning comes in two weeks when they're
at Philadelphia and playing the Eagles on the road. An
Eagles team that you know some have. Howie Roseman is
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everybody's desirable general manager. They're coming off a Super Bowl.
They lose a guy like Brandon Graham, they coax him
back out of retirement. They sign a guy like Zadarias Smith.
He's not productive, he retires. That's okay. We'll trade for
Jalen Phillips. We need some help on the back end.
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We'll trade for Jir Alexander and others right, and giving
up just a six round draft pick for it. He's
not standing pat. He believes in improving his team. Those
are the types of general managers fans love. It's not
fantasy football, it's real football. It's I don't give a
crap about the picks right now. Depending on where the
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pick is, you can have multiple picks and deal from
a position of strength. I guess the question I would
have for the Lions is if you traded for a
Jaln Phillips, and that's impossible to do because you didn't
have a third round pick. You got a first, a second,
a fourth, a fifth, two, sixth and two seventh, I believe.
But if you traded a third round pick or a
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second round pick or a fourth round pick for Phillips,
you couldn't do the second that would be ridiculous. But
a fourth round pick for somebody, you realize if you
lose that player, you get the fourth round pick back, right,
you know that?
Speaker 6 (17:35):
Okay, compensitory whatever.
Speaker 5 (17:37):
That the magic of what Roseman has done, and I
think what Lions fans would like to see Brad Holmes
do is that he is as Albert Breer of CBS
Sports or SI dot Com. Excuse me put it? He said, Look,
his strength is he's got enough in asset management to
have three third round picks stockpiled, so moving one of
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them isn't a big deal. That's what makes Philly different.
Detroit has six sevens. Could they have not moved any
of them? That would have been one of my questions.
The other question is, and I think we brought this up,
you moved your third round picks on draft day, which
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is fine. You believed in a specific player, Isaac Taeslah.
And I'm telling you, folks, there are certain players that
general managers believe in and tell us they believe in.
Bob Quinn did that with a cornerback. Do you remember
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do you remember the second round pick Tease Tabor out
of Florida? What did Bob Quinn say? I watched more
tape on him than any player I think I've ever scouted,
That's what he said. Okay, he used a second round
pick on him. He hardly ever played.
Speaker 6 (19:00):
He was also terrible when he did play.
Speaker 5 (19:03):
Yeah, and you know what, he never lived that. And
I'm not talking about Taper, I'm talking about Bob Quinn. Yeah,
that's a guy that you looked at and you went,
oh my god, I can't believe he did that. You
used a second round pick out of a big program too,
By the way, I mean we're talking about Florida. You
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go out there and you scout you and I scout
Florida because we're watching him every flipping weekend. Right, You
use that much capital on him, and he started five
games for you in two years before you let him loose. Okay,
one of the biggest busts the Lions have ever had.
You can go back to Andre where you can talk
about him. You can talk about Joey Harrington, you can
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talk about Charles Rogers, you could talk about all kinds
of different players. Mike Williams, go ahead, Lake and Tomlinson, Laken, Tomlinson.
Speaker 6 (19:54):
Well, he ended up being filling the Super Bowl, wasn't
He's been a good player.
Speaker 5 (19:58):
Yeah, he was out of North Carolina. He was a
good guard. He was a really good guard.
Speaker 6 (20:01):
I think it was Duke that wasn't a Duke or
Duke Yeah.
Speaker 5 (20:04):
I'm sorry, Yeah, Duke acc got the two blue bloods
mixed up. The tease taber thing is he went to
Chicago and started one game and then went to Seattle,
and started one game in two years. We're talking about
a guy who was a second round pick, played in
thirty nine games, started seven, and out of the league
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at the age of twenty eight in a league that
needs corners, needs depth, could not play all right. Every
general manager who doesn't win a Super Bowl and talks
about certain players like that are held to those players.
When Brad Holmes said, Isaac Tislaw's my favorite receiver in
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the draft and he gives up that much capital? Was
it three third rounders? Is that what it was to
move up? What was it ten spots to get Isaac Tesla?
That kid should be starting for you right away? Am
I run there? He should be starting right away? How
in the world? And I like the kid I predicted.
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I said, you know what this guy's going to be
and he's not just because he's a local guy. I
like him because I think he's a big, physical receiver,
and I think he's one of those guys who can
really help your team in a lot of different ways.
But I want to know why he's not playing. Seriously,
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we're talking about a kid who has played in eight
games and has one start and has three receptions and
six targets. You can look at snap percentage on players.
It's a fun thing to do. His percentage on snaps
is twenty one percent.
Speaker 6 (21:58):
Having fewer targets than games played is just crazy.
Speaker 5 (22:01):
As a third ron pick, I'm telling you, Trent, I'm
looking at this and I'm going hold on a second.
Either he's not good enough or the Lion's staff doesn't
know what it's doing. It's got to be one of
the other. If it's a combo, it's a problem. We'll
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Monday through Friday six and till nine. Thanks for being
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to some texts. Go ahead, Trent.
Speaker 6 (23:52):
How much credit does Trajan Langdon get for not extending
Jalen Durham and Jade and Ivy I say a lot
in the past. The owner is just extending everyone without
proving it.
Speaker 5 (24:06):
Yeah, being patient is tough. Why should he deserve credit? Oh?
I see, I think I'm reading the text. I get it.
Here's what they're saying. Make sure they have a good
year before you extend him, right, agreed, Jalen Durham continues,
at this rate, you're going to extend him, right, you
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would think, okay, what if he doesn't?
Speaker 6 (24:32):
You probably wait? You have to wait, right, you wait?
Speaker 5 (24:37):
What for? How long?
Speaker 6 (24:40):
Until you have no more team control?
Speaker 5 (24:43):
Okay? So another year?
Speaker 6 (24:44):
And even if you have to pay more because you waited,
at least it's worth it because if the player then
proves that they're worth more money, does how does that
really hurt you? You know what I mean?
Speaker 5 (25:00):
Do you think there could be a situation where either player,
specifically the player we just talked about, says, you know what,
you didn't show faith in me.
Speaker 6 (25:13):
I'm out sure, but I think rather than getting a
bargain early, if you wait their rookie contract out and
then pay them, and maybe you have to pay them
more and you don't get as much of a deal. Right,
I don't see anything. I don't see a problem with that.
That's all I'm saying.
Speaker 5 (25:32):
Yeah, just so you know, I mean, so they can
be basically, so people know, so they have a rookie
scale deal it ends at this year. That means they
can now become restricted free agents. Yep, okay, just so
people are aware they've been given opportunities. I don't know
quite honestly, how to how to view Jade and Ivies
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twenty three last year was on pace for a career
high in points and field goal percentage and three point shooting,
rebounding and all these different things. Ivy, what's his cap number? Thirty?
I think it's thirty.
Speaker 6 (26:07):
Yeah, sounds right.
Speaker 5 (26:09):
Yeah. Durrance is nineteen and a half. So Detroit can
match any opposing team's offer seat this coming next summer, okay,
this summer if you will to keep them. I don't
know what other teams will look at that. I think
both are attractive. I don't can't imagine anybody paying them
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so much where Detroit wouldn't be able to match it.
You're basically letting the other teams set the market price
for you with your two players. Fine, I hope you
don't lose either one of them. I would pay them
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depending on the price tag. I think Jalen Duran can
be He's a young he's twenty two years old. Man,
he's a young player. He's getting better. Jade, and he's
concerning for obvious reasons. But when healthy really compliments Kate Cunningham,
think about it, for a minute, Folks, this team has
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won six of its first date. They've won four in
a row. They've done it with herculean effort from Kate Cunningham.
To a certain extent, I mentioned the two bigs. For sure,
you lose Jade and Ivy. That's not an easy thing
to quickly replace. Okay, shooting, versatility, deck and drive guy.
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You know, I know he doesn't always The numbers wouldn't
tell you they played great together. But you do need
a guy who can shoot the basketball. You don't have
that on your team right now. You don't think this
team misses Jade and Ivy just because just because they
wont six of their first date doesn't mean, folks, that
you can just pan it off.
Speaker 6 (27:51):
It doesn't mean that they couldn't.
Speaker 5 (27:54):
It doesn't mean that everything's fine. You can still be better. Yeah,
why do you think Malik Beasley is out there talking
openly on social media about you know, if I come back,
I'm coming back to the Pistons. I can't talk about
the Pistons, but my agent can. Because Detroit lax shooting
right now, there's no Marcus Sasser, there's no Jaden Ivy
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Karsla versus. Not a three point shooter, and Duncan Robinson
has struggled.
Speaker 6 (28:20):
He's been underwhelming. Yeah, yeah, he's.
Speaker 5 (28:22):
Been really underwhelming. I didn't expect him. I hope you
didn't either. I don't expect him to come in and
average twenty five points a game.
Speaker 6 (28:29):
No, but his reputation was you know, he could at
least come in and fill the shoes on Malik Beasley.
Speaker 5 (28:35):
Yeah. I mean he made one hundred and eighty plus
triples a year ago. Now that's not as many as
Malik Beasley, but he was supposed to be part of
the answer, all right. I said this when Beasley was
not signed, and for good reason. I said this before.
I said, you have to make up a certain amount
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of threes. Beasley set a franchise record. Tim Hardaway had
a lot of threes. How are you going to do that? So,
I said, if you're thinking that it's just Duncan Robinson,
you would be wrong. He made I said one hundred
and eighty. He made one hundred and ninety threes last year,
more than to a game. Okay, he made one hundred
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and eighty seven threes the year before. Is it fair
to assume that he would be able to do that yes,
I think so, Okay, I think that's fair to say that. Yes,
he's the kind of guy that I think is can
can partially fill the shoes of Malik Beasley. Okay, but
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he wasn't going to be the only one. I said,
Ron Holland's going to have to do that. I said,
Asar Thompson's going to have to do that. And sar
Thompson a little bit of a scare last night with
an injury that fortunately he came back from. But I said,
if you really feel like three point shooting is the
way things go go in today's league, and it does,
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how do you make up three hundred and nineteen from
Malik Beasley? There's only one player who made more last
year than Malik Beasley. Okay, so how do you make
that up? In addition to the three nineteen, Tim Hardaway,
who I think was kind of underappreciated, he made one
hundred and sixty eight. So let's just say it's a
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wash between the two Michigan players, with Tim Hardaway Junior
the one sixty eight and Duncan Robinson with the one ninety.
I know you're giving him about thirty or so, but
I said to you, look If you think Karris Levertz
going to come in and fill that void left by
one of those three point shooters, you're sadly mistaken. You
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don't really know his game. He only made forty six
threes last year. There's only three times in his career
where he's made more than one hundred triples. Doesn't He's
not that kind of player. The most he's ever made
was one twenty seven. So where is the rest of
it going to come from? What did I say? Sure,
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those young players, but I said, you know who's the
other guy? The really important player is Jade n Ivy. Now,
you may not always like the way the NBA has
played today because we all we do is we see
three pointers may or three pointers attempted, and it gets
really old. Okay, I get it. I'm not going to
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completely disagree with you. But if that is the way
the game is played and your team thrived in that
type of environment a year ago, you need a guy
who can do just that to make up for the
guys you lost.
Speaker 6 (31:45):
You got a hold pace Man and.
Speaker 5 (31:47):
Jade and Ivy last year, two years ago, I'm sorry,
two years he had one hundred and twenty four triples made.
And before you say, well, that's not three nineteen like
Malik Beasley. No, but you expect growth from younger players.
Twenty three years old, he made He was well on
his way. He made sixty three triples last year in
thirty games. Okay, So when you're making that many threes
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and you're trying that many threes, you're making too a game.
What are you gonna get. You're gonna get the one
to eighty one to ninety Okay, yeah, hopefully you make
a little bit more one game, right, So you're getting
close to that. So you understand where my point was.
Those three guys had to make up for the loss
of one prolific three point shooter for one season, and
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without him it's really important. Does that mean you extend him.
Absolutely not. I'm just telling you. If you don't extend
to him and he signs as a restricted free agent
elsewhere and you don't match it, you're going to make
up those threes. That's two. That would be two years
in a row. Now where you're suddenly trying to find
an answer from deep range more texts go ahead.
Speaker 6 (32:56):
Sheap, attempting to draw comparison between Quinn and Holmes via
tease Tape born Isaac'saslaws reckless to Slavs. Eight games into
his NFL career, he's had two very impressive catches, but
made a few good blocks. We haven't or haven't we
been complaining about the offensive efficiency?
Speaker 5 (33:13):
Yeah, I don't. I don't think it's my point. I
wasn't comparing Tease Table and Isaac Teslaw. What I was
comparing is that general managers are oftentimes defined by certain moves. Yeah,
they're judged by certain draft picks, yes, right. And when
Brad Holmes comes out and says Tesla is my favorite
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receiver in the draft, and Bob Quinn says, I've never
seen a guy on tape as much as I've seen
teaz Table. You are, by fans, married to those players,
and those players better be good because your reputation is
on the line. You surrendered three third round picks for
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this young player. My question, if you would listened all
the way through, was why is any playing? That's an issue.
You would think you would think just a regular third
round player or third round pick would be playing. Okay,
I'm not saying he should play over a'man Rossain Brown
or Jamison Williams, but he's a third round pick. You
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would think he would be a starter. Okay, you reupt
with Jamison Williams, which makes the third round pick even
more confusing to me. Anyway, Okay, because there's only one
football to go around.
Speaker 6 (34:29):
Wasn't Kirby Joseph a third round pick?
Speaker 5 (34:32):
I believe so? I believe so.
Speaker 6 (34:34):
So was Tracy Walker? He started for you for years.
So was Kenny Galladay. He got paid.
Speaker 5 (34:39):
Yeah, he got paid by the New York I'm glad
he didn't get paid by the Lions. And Kenny Galladay
put up in good numbers, and you're right, that's why
he did get paid. But either way, you've got a
guy who should be a starter and he's barely playing
at all. It's the assumption, and we don't think this.
I don't think it I but the assumption on the
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outside looking in is like, that's a wasted pick. Yeah,
in a third round. I've said this at nauseum forever.
The first three round should be starters, period. Your first
round pick, your second round pick, your third round pick.
I give a little bit of leeway to a quarterback
because it's a tough adjustment, but still, Hendon Hooker was
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the third round pick. He should be the backup. Okay,
he should be groomed to be that next starting quarterback.
Yeah right, and he just got cut last week by
Carolina I believe anyway. Yeah, Isaac Teslaw, who I like?
Speaker 6 (35:38):
Who?
Speaker 5 (35:38):
I said, he's going to be your third wide receiver.
People argued with me, No, it's Khalie Fraeman. I said,
you don't spend a third round pick. You don't spend
that type of capital if you don't start the guy.
Why isn't he starting what he started one game? Why
isn't he playing more? Why is he again more targets.
You can defend it all you want, and I like him.
I'll repeat that, I like him. Targets three catches is
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not worthy of a third round choice, and don't tell
me it is. And I know we've been complaining about
the offense. This is an additional complaint about the offense.
I'm not blaming Isaac Teslaw, per se. I'm wondering, is
it him not getting the offense and comprehending what he's
supposed to. Is it John Morton not being creative enough
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to find a way to get him involved. Is it
Dan Campbell not stepping in and saying, this kid's got
to be more involved. How are you down in the
red zone more often and not getting him looks? Six targets,
eight games, three catches granted, two touchdowns, two spectacular grabs. Actually,
I would say all three of his catches were pretty
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damn good, because one didn't go for a touchdown.
Speaker 6 (36:47):
It was a first down or whatever, So it's fantastic.
Speaker 5 (36:50):
That might have been the best of all of them.
But you've got to admit I don't care how much
you support him, because I do too. You've got to
admit that, qu there's a question question there. If you
don't see that, I can't help you, man.
Speaker 6 (37:04):
And you also don't need to be mad at the player.
Speaker 5 (37:07):
Right That's why I said it's not on Isaac Teslaw.
I'm wondering out loud. Is it him? Is it the
offensive coordinator? Is it the head coach? Is this a
general manager? Why in the world did you draft a
guy in the third round? Give up three third round picks.
That's big capital to get a guy who is your
favorite receiver in the draft, and now we're watching him
play on special teams or sit on the bench with
his helmet between his feet. It's looking at another wide
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receiver and saying, nice grab.
Speaker 6 (37:30):
I'm just simply bringing that up because I know that
a lot of the people like he's the hometown kids,
so a lot of people are biased towards him. You
don't need to be mad at the player per se, because,
like Chef's saying, it could be on the coaching staff
as much as anybody.
Speaker 5 (37:45):
It's it's frustrating to know that this dude is a
good player by all intensive purposes. Sure looks like a
good player. Not saying Brad Holmes is wrong. I'm wondering aloud,
and it's a fair question.
Speaker 6 (38:02):
Yes it is.
Speaker 5 (38:03):
Why isn't he being utilized more in this offense?
Speaker 6 (38:08):
Shep? He's not even being looked at?
Speaker 5 (38:10):
So I said, I said targets. Target's going to get
six targets, six targets, three catches, eight games, one start.
That's a bad line. If if it were somebody other
than this guy who's a local product, and it wasn't
a third round pick, or was let's say it was
a third round pick, would you not be wondering aloud?
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How the hell is this possible? Why is this being done?
Speaker 6 (38:36):
Yeah?
Speaker 5 (38:37):
Another text, go ahead.
Speaker 6 (38:39):
This one comes from a good friend, and he simply says,
Kris Levertz got to go. By the way, this friend
is a Michigan fan.
Speaker 5 (38:47):
Look, it shouldn't matter at some point. Who cares whether
you support Michigan or Michigan State when they get to
your professional team, that should go right out the window.
If you're a Michigan State fan and you're rooting against
eight Hutchinson, but you say you love the lines, you're
a liar. Okay, good example. You know if you were
a Pistons fan and they draft him at teen Cleeves
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and you said, sorry, I can't stand him issue, so
I don't want him to succeed, you're not a Pistons fan.
Check it at the damn door. Okay, it's stupid, it's
it's we're eight games in, man, I would gotta go.
You're bringing him off the bench, your suggestion, you got
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to go. So this would be my question. Then, Okay,
let's say you don't want him on this team anymore
because he's been disappointing to you. Fine, who gets his minutes?
Speaker 6 (39:42):
I mean, I I the senic and me and you
might agree with me. Shep. I would say, Marcus Sasser,
he's not available, but who gets his minutes? And the
he's got the big I'd rather or more.
Speaker 5 (39:55):
There's a hip problem, okay, based.
Speaker 8 (39:59):
On what.
Speaker 6 (40:02):
I don't know. Potential right, potential?
Speaker 5 (40:05):
Okay, So you'd rather have potential rather than a guy
who's proven.
Speaker 6 (40:09):
I'm not saying I would. I'm saying, if you're gonna
take away Lavert's minutes, who's gonna take him? My answer
is Marcus Sassar?
Speaker 5 (40:17):
Right, And my question to that is how effective do
you think Marcus Sasser is going to be? Yeah, you know,
he's a better three point shooter. I would agree with that.
He shoots more threes, He's more capable of a three point.
That's more his game. Marcus Sasser is a fifteen minute
a night player.
Speaker 6 (40:37):
Yeah, he can also run point guard, which if you're
trying to take that, well, if you're trying to take
the pressure off Cade, that matters.
Speaker 5 (40:45):
I suppose. So I'm not trying to make take the
pressure off Kate. I mean, he gets a lot of money.
I want the pressure on Kate. I don't give a
crap about that. I mean, do you want Javonte Green
in there? Do you think he fits? I'm just wondering
I mean, you say, Karris Levertz got to go. He
gave you ten and nineteen last night ten in nineteen.
You picked him up. What was your expectation? My expectation
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for him was he was going to be about a
twenty minute a night player, and I was hoping for
a line of you know, eleven, twelve and five. That's
what I'm hoping for. He's kind of giving me. To
be honest with you, he's given me almost what I expected.
So maybe I'm at fault here because my expectations weren't
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high enough. You really got to figure out who the
guy is, all right. Last year he gave you fifteen
points per game in Atlanta in twenty six and a
half minutes injuries play apart, he was injured, So that's
why I lowered it to twenty and hoping for about
eleven and twelve. Eleven or twelve. You give you eleven
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points off the bench on a regular basis, giving you
twenty minutes, that's good production.
Speaker 6 (41:52):
You'll take that.
Speaker 7 (41:53):
Yeah.
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