May 16, 2024 • 12 mins
The debates between Biden and Trump are on! One on ABC and the other on CNN. The guys have some ideas on how Trump could handle the debate.
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
Donald Trump's team yesterday said that they want to have
four debates, of course Biden's team saying they only will
agree to two. They also are very aware that they
do not want Robert F. Kennedy Junior or a third
party candidate to also be on the debate stage. They
really want this to be a one on one matchup
with Joe Biden, and part of that is because they
(00:21):
believe that this will be a great opportunity to show
that Biden is much more weaker and more feeble in
their words, not mine, than he was in twenty twenty.
Speaker 2 (00:30):
To my mind, that's the only thing I think that
Trump can claim he got out of yesterday. I feel
like the Biden camp rolled the Trump camp on this
whole setting up the debate thing and worked it to
their advantage in every way. I think the perception reality
the only thing Trump got out of it, But Biden
wanted it too, so it's a wash. Neither one of
(00:51):
them wanted RFK on the stage. Neither one right.
Speaker 3 (00:54):
There's part of me that likes the style of saying
you can have whatever rules you want, I don't care
bring it.
Speaker 2 (01:00):
I mean that that's a ball or move.
Speaker 3 (01:02):
As they say, at the same time, though, you you've
convinced me that he could have gotten some stuff that
would be beneficial.
Speaker 2 (01:11):
So I watched an emergency media pod video cast yesterday
with Mark Alprinon and all his political heavyweight friends on
the whole debate thing, and first of all, I thought
it was very interesting. Halprin said, Trump agreeing to a
CNN debate moderated by Jake Tapper and whoever else it
is it's gonna be on. There will be three on one,
(01:32):
will be three on one Jake Biden against Trump and
then the other moderator. And for him to state that
is a pretty non partisan guy, I thought that was
a pretty heavy thing to say. But yeah, why did
Trump agree to a lefty venue and lefty moderators?
Speaker 3 (01:49):
I I go ahead, Yeah, I was gonna say, even
if you allow for CNN or concede CNN his center left.
It's like good old fashioned life left, you know, ninety
percent liberal. It's not like insane woke, but it's still
definitely lefty.
Speaker 2 (02:09):
And Trump, you know, if he traded, I'll do I
will do CNN if I get Fox, and he came up,
but that's not it. They got CNN and ABC, right,
and I just he immediately need to be insufferable. It's
going to be incredibly annoying.
Speaker 3 (02:27):
Every question is going to come from the left word perspective.
Speaker 2 (02:31):
Here's Byron York, who Watch rights for the Washington Examiner,
some of his analysis on this whole thing.
Speaker 4 (02:36):
Well, on the substance of it, this is a good thing,
and both sides are right. The Commission on Public Debates
really is kind of Presidential debates is really kind of outdated.
With millions and millions of Americans voting early, we needed
earlier debates so that they can vote after they've seen
a debate and not before the debate. So substance wise,
it's a good thing on politics. If you're a Republican,
(02:58):
I think you're a little disappointed by this. Clear that
Biden took the initiative in this Trump seemed to be
following it. Biden seemed to be driving this car all day.
And I think that you will see Republicans questioning they
don't like CNN, they really don't like ABC. They'll be
questioning why President Trump agreed so quickly to do it
this way?
Speaker 2 (03:17):
To me, that's the way it came off too. Is
it looked like Biden was the guy who decided how
things were going to be yesterday, and Trump went along.
And Biden had looked weak in every aspect of his life,
and then he got a good day of strong yesterday.
Speaker 3 (03:38):
I wonder if Trump is going to start picking away,
although that's a little dangerous given the fact that he's
already agreed to it, start picking away some of the
particulars in the way that he has throughout his business career.
Speaker 2 (03:51):
I don't know. There's some speculation that Trump thought Biden
would never debate. So Trump has been putting a podium
on stage occasionally at his rallies saying right here, how
about now? Anytime anywhere, Joe, anytime anywhere. That's been his
theme for a long time. In the crowd cheer is
like crazy. And I thought that was a very ballsy move.
(04:15):
But if you say anywhere, anytime, and then your opponent
comes out and says, okay, I picked two dates here,
you kind of got to say, yeah, I mean, what
are you going to say? I meant anywhere anytime, you know,
except for if there's got to be things I like
in places I like, Yeah, I suppose so, But I mean, realistically,
in politics, he could have said, look, you can have CNN,
but I want Fox News. That's not unreasonable. Now, I
(04:37):
don't think that would have been reasonable at all. He didn't.
I don't think he got anything unless he's just so
certain that he's going to own these debates. Another thing
that all the pundits seem to agree is he's helping
with the lowering the bar for Joe Biden by yesterday
coming out and truthing. You know, by he can hardly walk,
(05:00):
he can hardly talk, he doesn't know what day it is.
So once again, all Joe Biden has got to do
is come out there and not be a mental patient,
and it's a win for him. Yeah.
Speaker 3 (05:11):
Yeah, I just keep going back to the fact that
I think Trump, or my opinion that Trump is that confident.
He has made the anytime, anywhere taunt or invitation so
many times he thought, this is going to be an
enormous win. If I walk into their venue, their rules
(05:35):
and kick his ass, it's gonna be worth it because
I think I can.
Speaker 2 (05:40):
Yeah, that's pretty ballsy. If you're that certain you think
you're gonna dominate. He didn't dominate the first debate last time.
I mean, he was he came off as too too hight,
too hot, too angry. But so one interesting aspect of that,
do we have the interrupting clip, whichever clip that is
that I had Hansen get Michael, It's interesting to me
(06:02):
that Biden is the one that wants the microphone shut
off since the most played, the most repeated, the everybody
thought was Biden's best moment was this from the first debate.
Speaker 4 (06:14):
Are you willing to tell the American people tonight whether
or not you will support either ending the filibuster or
packing the quest.
Speaker 5 (06:22):
Whatever position I take on that that'll become the issue.
The issue is the American people should speak. You should
go out and vote. You're in voting, now, vote and
let your senators know how he's going on, how you feel.
Let vote now. In fact, make sure you in fact
let people know. Senator, I'm not going to answer the
question because because the question is, the question is just rational.
(06:46):
Left shut up, listen, who is on your list, Joe,
This is on your right, gentlemen.
Speaker 2 (06:53):
By far the most played clip the next day, and
everybody thought that was his best moment. If you have
the mic shut off, you lose what was your best moment?
Last time?
Speaker 3 (07:01):
Around. Well, it was his floor, so you wouldn't have
had Trump taunting him into it.
Speaker 2 (07:11):
Are the mics going to I don't fully understand this,
Maybe you do, so they're they're talking about the MIC's
getting cut off at the time limit. Are the mics
going to be off while the other person is talking
like you can't interrupt?
Speaker 3 (07:22):
The way I read it was, it's going to be
back and forth. It's they're not going to be on simultaneously,
which I don't like.
Speaker 2 (07:31):
I don't like.
Speaker 3 (07:32):
All right, you get two minutes, then you get two
minutes to reply, and then we got two minutes of
a free for all.
Speaker 2 (07:37):
I would like to see.
Speaker 3 (07:38):
Them, I mean, like Trump, they're saying, why won't you
answer the question?
Speaker 2 (07:43):
Answer the question right? And I thought, just as a voter,
that was a valid exchange. Now I've hated that sort
of thing in the multi person debates. I just it's awful.
You can't understand anybody, and the person who interrupts ends
up being rewarded and the person who follows the rules
gets penalized. And I've always hated that. But in a
two man thing, let them do it, let them handle
(08:04):
it however they want to handle it.
Speaker 3 (08:06):
There's some thinking that Trump coming in too hot, interrupting
too often, being too disdainful costume the president absolutely in
the first debate, the second one he was much better.
Speaker 2 (08:16):
He toned it down and did quite well because you
can easily, you know, your interrupting, come off as as
jerk just as much as you can throw them off
their game. So you know, there's a lot of nuance
to it. So I don't know. I don't know how
set these rules are yet. There was some discussion yesterday,
some reporting that Trump again and I don't know why
youd agree to this. The CNN debate Joe Biden. They're
(08:38):
either going to be sitting and it's gonna start with
them sitting, or they're gonna be standing by their podiums already,
so Joe Biden doesn't have to walk across the stage
like an old man. Why would you agree to that?
Speaker 3 (08:49):
I don't know, especially because if it became known that
you didn't agree to it, people would have to discuss
why does the Biden side want that and why does
the Trump's side not want it? So, whether you got
your way or not, the discussion would be useful.
Speaker 2 (09:05):
Unless there's some behind scenes thing we don't know about,
or hasn't been reported on yet. I don't know what
Trump got out of this deal other than the debates,
which might be Maybe you're just right. He's so confident
that Biden will show up in these debates and look
so old and be so lost that just getting a
debate anywhere, anytime is actually a win. I don't know
(09:26):
what you're basing that on, because the last three major things,
two State of the Unions and and a debate, they've
they've pumped him full of the go go juice, and
he's been fine. He's been functional.
Speaker 3 (09:44):
Back to final thought on the Mike's on MIC's off question,
I'm not against trying things. I think it'll be fine,
and I also think that it will be clear right
after that people really like it or really don't like it,
and they'll probably adjust for the second one.
Speaker 2 (10:04):
Well, that's fine. If this is I physics, weren't the most
important election of our lifetime and it actually is. How
about you experiment when it's like a d Caucus Bush
two or some Bush one or something like that, when
the stakes are lower. I don't know if this is
I want to experiment this of our lifetime. Jeff Zucker,
who ran Ran Run CNNs, thinks there'll be one hundred
(10:27):
million people tune in. It'll smash any all time record.
I think that's probably true. I think it's absolutely true. Yeah,
I can't wait. But one thing, I noticed that clip
we just played that ain't at all what Joe Biden
sounds like. Now, Oh no, no.
Speaker 3 (10:42):
In fact, one of our beloved listeners dropped us a
note earlier and said, hey, I just watched the twenty
twenty debate for chuckles, and that's a different guy.
Speaker 2 (10:51):
Run Joe Biden right now, different guy I read of
all our institutions. Good job, Michael. Yeah, God, dang it.
Trump theory has got to be that second Joe Biden.
There is going to be on display in the debate
at least at some point, and that'll be the end
(11:13):
of it.
Speaker 3 (11:15):
I'm picturing Trump asking Biden. First question from me, Joe Biden,
what medications are you on right now to get you
ready for this debate? Okay, that's a good question.
Speaker 2 (11:26):
I wanted to bring that up because there was some
talk yesterday somebody said that Trump's leverage should be a
drug test. I'll agree to all this, but there has
to be a drug test, and I thought, oh wow,
why though, is that Is that like uncool? If you
got to take some sort of old person medicine to
make your brain work? Is that a full disclosure? Just
(11:47):
something that we ought to know.
Speaker 3 (11:48):
It's cool unless it's uncool to cite your hipster lingo.
If it's of some sort of powerful drug that's necessary
to make him coherent momentarily, that's just something that the
the voter probably ought to know. If he's not a
little ib your profen because his knee hurts.
Speaker 2 (12:04):
Two hundred and ten million Americans are on some sort
of medication, Jack, how about you show your taxes and
I'll show which medications I'm on?
Speaker 1 (12:11):
Jack?
Speaker 2 (12:13):
Oh no, malarkey.
Speaker 3 (12:15):
Wow, you learned that tough talk when he was over
the road trucker, or when he got arrested with Mandela.
Speaker 2 (12:24):
Rights, or when he was open he whipping corn pop's ass,
or his uncle who got eaten by cannibals, gave him
that advice before he before he ended up in the pot,
before he was ingested. Yes, that's what you gotta do,
is Trump. You gotta try to drag one of those
stories out of him. You learn that when you're a
truck driver, Oh my god,
Donald Trump's team yesterday said that they want to have
four debates, of course Biden's team saying they only will
agree to two. They also are very aware that they
do not want Robert F. Kennedy Junior or a third
party candidate to also be on the debate stage. They
really want this to be a one on one matchup
with Joe Biden, and part of that is because they
(00:21):
believe that this will be a great opportunity to show
that Biden is much more weaker and more feeble in
their words, not mine, than he was in twenty twenty.
Speaker 2 (00:30):
To my mind, that's the only thing I think that
Trump can claim he got out of yesterday. I feel
like the Biden camp rolled the Trump camp on this
whole setting up the debate thing and worked it to
their advantage in every way. I think the perception reality
the only thing Trump got out of it, But Biden
wanted it too, so it's a wash. Neither one of
(00:51):
them wanted RFK on the stage. Neither one right.
Speaker 3 (00:54):
There's part of me that likes the style of saying
you can have whatever rules you want, I don't care
bring it.
Speaker 2 (01:00):
I mean that that's a ball or move.
Speaker 3 (01:02):
As they say, at the same time, though, you you've
convinced me that he could have gotten some stuff that
would be beneficial.
Speaker 2 (01:11):
So I watched an emergency media pod video cast yesterday
with Mark Alprinon and all his political heavyweight friends on
the whole debate thing, and first of all, I thought
it was very interesting. Halprin said, Trump agreeing to a
CNN debate moderated by Jake Tapper and whoever else it
is it's gonna be on. There will be three on one,
(01:32):
will be three on one Jake Biden against Trump and
then the other moderator. And for him to state that
is a pretty non partisan guy, I thought that was
a pretty heavy thing to say. But yeah, why did
Trump agree to a lefty venue and lefty moderators?
Speaker 3 (01:49):
I I go ahead, Yeah, I was gonna say, even
if you allow for CNN or concede CNN his center left.
It's like good old fashioned life left, you know, ninety
percent liberal. It's not like insane woke, but it's still
definitely lefty.
Speaker 2 (02:09):
And Trump, you know, if he traded, I'll do I
will do CNN if I get Fox, and he came up,
but that's not it. They got CNN and ABC, right,
and I just he immediately need to be insufferable. It's
going to be incredibly annoying.
Speaker 3 (02:27):
Every question is going to come from the left word perspective.
Speaker 2 (02:31):
Here's Byron York, who Watch rights for the Washington Examiner,
some of his analysis on this whole thing.
Speaker 4 (02:36):
Well, on the substance of it, this is a good thing,
and both sides are right. The Commission on Public Debates
really is kind of Presidential debates is really kind of outdated.
With millions and millions of Americans voting early, we needed
earlier debates so that they can vote after they've seen
a debate and not before the debate. So substance wise,
it's a good thing on politics. If you're a Republican,
(02:58):
I think you're a little disappointed by this. Clear that
Biden took the initiative in this Trump seemed to be
following it. Biden seemed to be driving this car all day.
And I think that you will see Republicans questioning they
don't like CNN, they really don't like ABC. They'll be
questioning why President Trump agreed so quickly to do it
this way?
Speaker 2 (03:17):
To me, that's the way it came off too. Is
it looked like Biden was the guy who decided how
things were going to be yesterday, and Trump went along.
And Biden had looked weak in every aspect of his life,
and then he got a good day of strong yesterday.
Speaker 3 (03:38):
I wonder if Trump is going to start picking away,
although that's a little dangerous given the fact that he's
already agreed to it, start picking away some of the
particulars in the way that he has throughout his business career.
Speaker 2 (03:51):
I don't know. There's some speculation that Trump thought Biden
would never debate. So Trump has been putting a podium
on stage occasionally at his rallies saying right here, how
about now? Anytime anywhere, Joe, anytime anywhere. That's been his
theme for a long time. In the crowd cheer is
like crazy. And I thought that was a very ballsy move.
(04:15):
But if you say anywhere, anytime, and then your opponent
comes out and says, okay, I picked two dates here,
you kind of got to say, yeah, I mean, what
are you going to say? I meant anywhere anytime, you know,
except for if there's got to be things I like
in places I like, Yeah, I suppose so, But I mean, realistically,
in politics, he could have said, look, you can have CNN,
but I want Fox News. That's not unreasonable. Now, I
(04:37):
don't think that would have been reasonable at all. He didn't.
I don't think he got anything unless he's just so
certain that he's going to own these debates. Another thing
that all the pundits seem to agree is he's helping
with the lowering the bar for Joe Biden by yesterday
coming out and truthing. You know, by he can hardly walk,
(05:00):
he can hardly talk, he doesn't know what day it is.
So once again, all Joe Biden has got to do
is come out there and not be a mental patient,
and it's a win for him. Yeah.
Speaker 3 (05:11):
Yeah, I just keep going back to the fact that
I think Trump, or my opinion that Trump is that confident.
He has made the anytime, anywhere taunt or invitation so
many times he thought, this is going to be an
enormous win. If I walk into their venue, their rules
(05:35):
and kick his ass, it's gonna be worth it because
I think I can.
Speaker 2 (05:40):
Yeah, that's pretty ballsy. If you're that certain you think
you're gonna dominate. He didn't dominate the first debate last time.
I mean, he was he came off as too too hight,
too hot, too angry. But so one interesting aspect of that,
do we have the interrupting clip, whichever clip that is
that I had Hansen get Michael, It's interesting to me
(06:02):
that Biden is the one that wants the microphone shut
off since the most played, the most repeated, the everybody
thought was Biden's best moment was this from the first debate.
Speaker 4 (06:14):
Are you willing to tell the American people tonight whether
or not you will support either ending the filibuster or
packing the quest.
Speaker 5 (06:22):
Whatever position I take on that that'll become the issue.
The issue is the American people should speak. You should
go out and vote. You're in voting, now, vote and
let your senators know how he's going on, how you feel.
Let vote now. In fact, make sure you in fact
let people know. Senator, I'm not going to answer the
question because because the question is, the question is just rational.
(06:46):
Left shut up, listen, who is on your list, Joe,
This is on your right, gentlemen.
Speaker 2 (06:53):
By far the most played clip the next day, and
everybody thought that was his best moment. If you have
the mic shut off, you lose what was your best moment?
Last time?
Speaker 3 (07:01):
Around. Well, it was his floor, so you wouldn't have
had Trump taunting him into it.
Speaker 2 (07:11):
Are the mics going to I don't fully understand this,
Maybe you do, so they're they're talking about the MIC's
getting cut off at the time limit. Are the mics
going to be off while the other person is talking
like you can't interrupt?
Speaker 3 (07:22):
The way I read it was, it's going to be
back and forth. It's they're not going to be on simultaneously,
which I don't like.
Speaker 2 (07:31):
I don't like.
Speaker 3 (07:32):
All right, you get two minutes, then you get two
minutes to reply, and then we got two minutes of
a free for all.
Speaker 2 (07:37):
I would like to see.
Speaker 3 (07:38):
Them, I mean, like Trump, they're saying, why won't you
answer the question?
Speaker 2 (07:43):
Answer the question right? And I thought, just as a voter,
that was a valid exchange. Now I've hated that sort
of thing in the multi person debates. I just it's awful.
You can't understand anybody, and the person who interrupts ends
up being rewarded and the person who follows the rules
gets penalized. And I've always hated that. But in a
two man thing, let them do it, let them handle
(08:04):
it however they want to handle it.
Speaker 3 (08:06):
There's some thinking that Trump coming in too hot, interrupting
too often, being too disdainful costume the president absolutely in
the first debate, the second one he was much better.
Speaker 2 (08:16):
He toned it down and did quite well because you
can easily, you know, your interrupting, come off as as
jerk just as much as you can throw them off
their game. So you know, there's a lot of nuance
to it. So I don't know. I don't know how
set these rules are yet. There was some discussion yesterday,
some reporting that Trump again and I don't know why
youd agree to this. The CNN debate Joe Biden. They're
(08:38):
either going to be sitting and it's gonna start with
them sitting, or they're gonna be standing by their podiums already,
so Joe Biden doesn't have to walk across the stage
like an old man. Why would you agree to that?
Speaker 3 (08:49):
I don't know, especially because if it became known that
you didn't agree to it, people would have to discuss
why does the Biden side want that and why does
the Trump's side not want it? So, whether you got
your way or not, the discussion would be useful.
Speaker 2 (09:05):
Unless there's some behind scenes thing we don't know about,
or hasn't been reported on yet. I don't know what
Trump got out of this deal other than the debates,
which might be Maybe you're just right. He's so confident
that Biden will show up in these debates and look
so old and be so lost that just getting a
debate anywhere, anytime is actually a win. I don't know
(09:26):
what you're basing that on, because the last three major things,
two State of the Unions and and a debate, they've
they've pumped him full of the go go juice, and
he's been fine. He's been functional.
Speaker 3 (09:44):
Back to final thought on the Mike's on MIC's off question,
I'm not against trying things. I think it'll be fine,
and I also think that it will be clear right
after that people really like it or really don't like it,
and they'll probably adjust for the second one.
Speaker 2 (10:04):
Well, that's fine. If this is I physics, weren't the most
important election of our lifetime and it actually is. How
about you experiment when it's like a d Caucus Bush
two or some Bush one or something like that, when
the stakes are lower. I don't know if this is
I want to experiment this of our lifetime. Jeff Zucker,
who ran Ran Run CNNs, thinks there'll be one hundred
(10:27):
million people tune in. It'll smash any all time record.
I think that's probably true. I think it's absolutely true. Yeah,
I can't wait. But one thing, I noticed that clip
we just played that ain't at all what Joe Biden
sounds like. Now, Oh no, no.
Speaker 3 (10:42):
In fact, one of our beloved listeners dropped us a
note earlier and said, hey, I just watched the twenty
twenty debate for chuckles, and that's a different guy.
Speaker 2 (10:51):
Run Joe Biden right now, different guy I read of
all our institutions. Good job, Michael. Yeah, God, dang it.
Trump theory has got to be that second Joe Biden.
There is going to be on display in the debate
at least at some point, and that'll be the end
(11:13):
of it.
Speaker 3 (11:15):
I'm picturing Trump asking Biden. First question from me, Joe Biden,
what medications are you on right now to get you
ready for this debate? Okay, that's a good question.
Speaker 2 (11:26):
I wanted to bring that up because there was some
talk yesterday somebody said that Trump's leverage should be a
drug test. I'll agree to all this, but there has
to be a drug test, and I thought, oh wow,
why though, is that Is that like uncool? If you
got to take some sort of old person medicine to
make your brain work? Is that a full disclosure? Just
(11:47):
something that we ought to know.
Speaker 3 (11:48):
It's cool unless it's uncool to cite your hipster lingo.
If it's of some sort of powerful drug that's necessary
to make him coherent momentarily, that's just something that the
the voter probably ought to know. If he's not a
little ib your profen because his knee hurts.
Speaker 2 (12:04):
Two hundred and ten million Americans are on some sort
of medication, Jack, how about you show your taxes and
I'll show which medications I'm on?
Speaker 1 (12:11):
Jack?
Speaker 2 (12:13):
Oh no, malarkey.
Speaker 3 (12:15):
Wow, you learned that tough talk when he was over
the road trucker, or when he got arrested with Mandela.
Speaker 2 (12:24):
Rights, or when he was open he whipping corn pop's ass,
or his uncle who got eaten by cannibals, gave him
that advice before he before he ended up in the pot,
before he was ingested. Yes, that's what you gotta do,
is Trump. You gotta try to drag one of those
stories out of him. You learn that when you're a
truck driver, Oh my god,
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