Bulb expert Peggy Anne Montgomery talks pollinator magnets and the Bulb of the Year

Episode Transcript

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Good morning everybody. Welcome back.I'm Ron Wilson, and you are in
the garden here on news radio six' ten WTVN talking about yardening. And
as I mentioned earlier, you know, the National Guarding Bureau, we had
to Diana Blazcon several times this pastwinter talking about each year they named the
ball of the year and the vegetablethe year and all of that. And

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the ball of the year this yearwere lilies. And I think when you
think of the generic named lilies,there are a lot of plants out there
that are considered lilies, but maybenot really a lily. So what are
we talking about here as far asour twenty twenty four Ball of the year
lilies, Well, we always goto our bulb expert to find out more

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about bulbs. And you know whoI'm talking about. Her website is flowerbulb
dot eu. That's Flowerbulb dot Eu. Peggy and Montgomery, good morning,
I am doing great. Thanks forspending time with us this morning. We
really appreciate it. So let's jumpright on this thing. So twenty twenty
four Ball of the Year are lilies. But when I go, you know,

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you look around there's a lot ofplants out there that are considered lilies.
Oh that is so true. Youthink about day lilies, kenna lilies,
catalilies, and none of those arereally true lilies. We're talking about
oriental lilies, martygun lilies, asiaticlilies, the ones that have that classic
shape, you know, the big, wide, open or even the tubular

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more eastern eastern lily. So,yeah, you're right. Common names can
be a little confusing, certainly can. So we're talking again oriental lilies,
asiatic lilies. And there's course alot of hybrids that are out there as
well, and there are others thatfall into this category, but those are
probably the two biggest ones that wesee out there. So, you know,
so as we look at lilies andgrowing them in our and I'm assuming

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most of these in our area areall perennial lilies. Growing these in our
gardens, are lilies in general prettyeasy to grow. I think they're really
easy to grow. Excuse me,I think bulbs are in general, they
kind of come with the whole packageand all the food and everything they need
to get going. What they reallyneed. The only thing they're asking for

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you is some good sunshine or youknow, even even bright, partial shade
and a well drained soil. Theycan't stand in water. They don't like
that. And I know you guysup there have had some rainy weather and
down here in Delaware we've had alot of brain to spring too. It's
unusual. But so give them aspot where it's a little bit elevated or

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on a slope and they'll love youforever. Now, when we talk about
lilies, and we're talking about theasiatic and the orient a little lily specifically
for growing those there are with thetwo different groups, what are the differences
between oriental lilies and Asiatic lilies.That's a great question. So Asiatic lilies

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bloom first and get lilies really donot have that strong lily fragrance that some
people don't care for. I can'tbelieve it, but some people don't.
And oriental lily them a little later, and they have that intoxing fragrance that
lily pregrance lovers love. So myadvice to be to plant both, keep

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them outside. Then you'll have alonger showing of lily's. You'll have them
from the early summer and then theoriental so kick in for later summer and
you'll have a show that just won'tstop. You know. There's so many
great selections of both of these outthere that you can get of course online
and catalogs at your local independent gardencenters. And I always get, even
with my slow brain, I haveto when I'm talking about planning, because

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I remember I said something to youa couple three years ago about the one
thing I don't like about garden liliesis the fact that they don't last long
enough. I wish, like youknow, those flowers would last for a
month or longer. And of courseyou fired right back and said, yeah,
but if you do your homework andyou're planning when you're planting, you
can extend those by using the differentvarieties. So I always have to remember,
and this is the way I rememberit, Asiatic lilies and orientelels A

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comes before O. So that meansthat asiatics early and oriental lilies or later
in the season. You know,that's a great way to remember it.
A round. Yeah, we all, you know, we gardeners, we
are all planners. We have tobe it gets up in the ground and
have it blooming and showing when wewant to. And that's a terrific rule
of thumb. Hey, we're talkingwith Peggy and Montgomery. She's on with

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us all the time talking about bulbsbecause she is our bulb expert. And
of course twenty twenty four lilies arethe bulb of the Year named by the
National Gardening Bureau. And rightfully,so you know that. I think the
the you know, the big buzzout there also is now planting plants that
are great pollinator magnets. And Ithink we're talking some a couple of these

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plants are pretty good at doing that. Yeah. Absolutely, Ron. Whenever
you're planting for pollinators, whatever plantit is for flower forms that are single.
Sometimes the double forms make it difficultfor pollinators to get into the nectary.
So all of your big, gorgeous, single fragrant lilies are going to

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attract pollinators by the score. Now, when we're planting these garden lilies,
I have had people send me emailssaying, I planted this thing last year,
this garden lily, and look atthis thing. It's seven eight feet
tall on this stock. Is thatnormal? Isn't that amazing? I'll tell

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you watch when I'm a Minnesota girl. So up in Minnesota, they didn't
get to be seven feet tall.But when I moved to the mid Atlantic
and my lily started growing seven oreight feet tall, I couldn't believe it.
And some people call them tree lilies. So these guys are for the
back of the border, but Imean for maximum impact and amazement. It's

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crazy. Yeah. So when I'mplanning and I know there are varieties of
the lilies that will stay smaller,I think to think of one of the
growers here in Columbus Milkreek Gardens theydo. Is it the tiny tuns Like
they're only like twelve eighteen inches highwith beautiful flowers on top. You're exactly
right in one I'm planting this yearas tiny parrot patio lily, and they're

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like the ten to twelve inch raine. So they're great for the front of
the border, and they're great incontainers. So these can be planted in
containers. I guess the question wouldbe, then, if I do lilies
and containers and they are hardy,I probably have to do something with a
container over the winter to help protectit a little bit. Are they tough
enough to last it outside in thatcontainer? Oh? Well, that's a

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really good question. If you're goingto leave a container outside, then what
the plant or the bulb or whateveryou have in that should be hearty to
two zones colder than you live in. Okay, So if you want to
try to do that, go forit. Ron Sometimes I tell people to
just like, don't go to allthe trouble. Not everybody's this space to

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dig everything up and care for everythingin the winter. It's really okay to
let them go if you need to, just like you're going to do with
all the other annuals in the pot. The price is really about the same.
Yeah, you know, I lookat that and know we're going to
take a break and come back andtalk about planning these specifically in containers and
using them as you're mixed. ButI think that a lot of plants from

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way back when kind of lost theirfavor because a lot of folks saying,
I don't want to have to digthese things up and store them over the
winter time, or I don't havea you know, like a really cool
area in the basement, not likethe old basements used to be, you
know, cold storage or whatever.But the way the costs have come today
and you compare buying a regular annualor whatever about the same. Don't feel

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guilty, just toss them out andstart over again next year. I know
That's what I say to all myfriends, because I've just seen too many
people have a hard time. Theybegin to mold easily and things like that.
You know, Cortny's supposed to beabout fun. It's not supposed to
be about any of that. Well, having you on our show is always
a lot of fun. You alwayshave great information, Peggy and Montgomery.

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Her website is Flowerbulb dot E youquick break, we come back. Let's
talk about planning these lilies and otherplants and containers here on news radio six
to ten WTVN. Let's go backand talk with our ballbackspert. Peggy and
Montgomery talking about the lilies are thetwenty twenty four Bulb of the Year.
And of course she has so muchinformation and she just makes my head spin

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when it comes to talking about bulbs. You know, one of my favorite,
I guess you could just say lilyis BlackBerry lilies. Oh, isn't
that crazy? I love those Butthey have a beautiful orange flower and then
after that they produce these berries andthey look exactly like a big fat BlackBerry,
and they have free rain in mygarden to grow anywhere they want,

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because I'd love to collect those stemsfor dried flower arrangements. Oh yeah,
and you know you talking about theon the asiatic lilies. They also make
great cut flowers. It's kind ofhard to do that because they look so
good in your garden. But yousaid something to me. I don't know
when you told me sometime in thepast, but you said, you actually

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plant some of these in your vegetablegarden or so that it's kind of growing
a crop. So you go outyou harvest those for cutting flowers. I
sure do, because you know,I do like to leave the ones in
the borders in the borders because they'reso beautiful and dramatic, especially when they're
seven feet tall. So I growsmaller varieties and I put them in like
along the fence of my vegetable garden. They attract pollinators, which is great,

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and I don't feel so bad aboutcutting them and bringing them in the
house or putting them on the patiotable for dinner. You know what,
I do the same thing ron inthe fall, I fill up all the
empty space with early spring flowering bulbs, so I can use those for cuts
outstanding. You know, I plantedthem, and I think I told you
this last year. I planted somemy life. My wife likes aliums,

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and I planted an assortment of thoselast fall. And those aliums right now,
it's probably the earliest I've ever seenthem come up. They're all the
foliage right now is about fourteen sixteeninches long, and the stalks with the
flower butt on the top is probablyall of eighteen to twenty four inches out
of the ground already. Isn't thatamazing. I'll tell you what. I
simply could not garden without alium.We have alium, a little tiny white

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ones blooming now and going all theway to alium. I think it's been
burgei Amagawa that blooms in November.Here we've got alium all year long.
I can't get enough of that plant. I'm gonna have to look that one
up. Talking with Peggy A.Mcgarmy again. Check out the website.
It is Flowerbulb dot eu. Sotalking about all these great lilies and all

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these great plants, you know,I think, and I'm a big container
gardener, I mean, it's amazingall these things that we're now growing in
containers. But these are all plantsthat can also be incorporated into your container
with annuals and things like that togive you a great color throughout the summer
season. Absolutely, and Ron Ithink it's kind of kind of like it's
surprised too, which I like.So this year I'm putting involves in every

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one of my containers, like I'mgonna plant some lily bolbs, now,
plant all of my annuals on top, and I'll just let him come up
through there. And another great onefor that is pro Cosmia also called I
think the common name is mont Frasia, and they have a very thin stem
and very narrow leaves, so theycome up through the container just beautifully and

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give you that late summer pop ofcolor. Daalias are great for that too,
you know, like our garden isvery is a lot going on in
the spring and early summer, butbulbs really add the pizazz for late summer
and fall with dahlias, lilies,glads, everything like that. And you
know the old thriller filler spiller concept, I mean, you really can can

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use that along with when you're doingyour bulbs in the planters. Absolutely,
that's true. So one thing I'mdoing for our patio is I'm doing two
great big planters and I'm going tohave those tropic canna dallis in them with
that beautiful green brown red derrogated foliage. I'm going to have bright red dalis

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in the front. I'm going tohave the cur cosmy coming up through that,
and then I'm also going to havejust a few scattered tulips in there
in a dark orange. It's gonnabe on fire. You better be sending
pictures that I want to see it, you know't okay canas to me canas
if you want to give a tropicallook. And I have a whole new
respect for cannas in containers because youcan plant those things in containers, forget

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about them, and they still performwith you forgetting about them. Oh my
god. It's the easiest thing inthe world to grow and frankly run.
I think it's also the easiest thingto overwinter. We dig them up,
We kind of throw them in akind of a plastic bag and a bulb
crate, put them down in thebasement, ignore them until about now when

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they start to grow. They're theeasiest things in the world to grow and
they grow what three four five feetin a year. Yeah, and there's
so many great selections with colors andthe foliage variegations and all of that can
is. Like I said, acouple of years ago, I started using
those as some of our planners aroundour patio. Whole new respect for him,
because you know, there were timesI just didn't have time to go

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out and take it, and theydidn't care. They just kept flowering.
The foliage was great tropical look.And I think cannons are way underused when
it comes to container gardening. Ido two run, and also I think
there's like some new varieties that Ithink are faster growing. So I think
the prices come down too. Yeah, and they aren't as expensive as they

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used to be as well. Totalk with Peggy and Montgomery talking about using
of course the lilies, which isthe twenty twenty four is a year of
the lily, and of course usingother bulbs in your containers, just like
you do your annuals at all.You know one on that you mentioned when
I was reading your thing here thatI always have a hard time getting to

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come back, and that's Kala lilies. I mean, I just finally gave
up and I just grow them asan annual. Can you get those to
come back here after year or doyou do them as an annual as well?
You know what, Mostly I growthem as annuals. My husband's had
luck planting them as a perennial,and it's in a spot that actually gets
a fair amount of water and isvery protected, So maybe that's the thing

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it needs to, like a veryprotective little micro climate. But in containers,
I never have a bit of troublewith them. I pot them up,
I kind of keep them on theside of the house until they kind
of start growing and I can seethat some buds are going to come,
and then I give them the bestspots on the patio so that everybody can
see them when we go through theirwhole beautiful bloom time and they're not just

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white anymore. They're yellow and orangeand purple, and they're amazing, and
we let him go through all ofthat. The foliage is off and spotted
and very decorative, and when thatbegins to kind of flop over, well,
I just take them to the compostpile and put something else in the
box. The old compost pile you'reheaded out to the comp Sorry, you're

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done, You're headed to the compostpile like it's hard. Yeah, welcome,
we say, you know you broughtup those cro cosmia. I love
that that lucifer. I still thinkit's I mean, there's many different colors,
but that lucifer, to me,that thing really stands. What a
great and it's a great cut flowertoo. It's a great cut flower and
hummingbird favorite. Mm hmm. Latein the season power. Oh I'm sorry,

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Ron, go ahead, I justsaid late in the season too.
Yeah, very late in the seasonwhen there's not much showing, they come
up and steal the show. Andthey fellor for I think an exceptionally long
time for their size. Yeah,I do too, Peggy and Montgomery.
We really appreciate you spending time withus this morning talking bar more about lilies.
It's the twenty twenty four ball ofthe year. Hey, listen,

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I'm curious, at the end ofEaster, when everybody's got left over Easter
lilies, do you go out andscarf all those up? I do not,
Okay, I figured you go outthere and you know, buy them
all on sale and take them backto your garden. And plan them in
your I don't, but you knowit never hurts to try. That's exactly.

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Hey. Always fun, you alwayshave great information for us. We
appreciate it and I'm sure we willtalk to you in the near future.
Thank you for being the kindest manon radio. Wow. Thank you very
much. Peggy and Montgomery again.The website, Hey, with our pleasure.
The website again is Flowerball dot eu. Be sure and check it out.
And she is she We've had heron for many, many years and

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just a super nice lady. Allright, quick break, we come back.
Phone lines are open for you eighttwo to one WTVN or eight hundred
and six to ten w tv andtalking yardening here on news radio six to
ten WTVN. So if you checkthe Hummingbird map, I haven't looked at
it in the last three or fourdays, but usually, and they're in

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Ohio, and from what I remember, it kind of looked like it was
drawing a line right up to seventyone, like they were following the expressway
or whatever. But typically for thestate of Ohio, and they were a
little bit slower this year moving throughand it's all weather pending. Typically by
tax Day April fifteenth or so,they pretty much have started to move in.

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We'll get a whole lot more,but the scouts and all have started
to move through. So I've alwayslooked at it and said, you know,
as long as the weather's conducive bythe time we get to early April,
to have those hummingbird feeders out tocatch those scouts as they start to
move through. And you know,and they just get a few here and
there, but they are so youknow, get your humy if you haven't

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put them out yet, get yourhummingbird feeders out. Keep watching the weather.
You never know, it could dropdown to freezing again. But yeah,
it's time to get that hung upthere. And however many you put
out, and of course plant forthem as well, and talking earlier as
crocsmias and some of the littlies andall, they enjoy those as well.
So by the way, Ella Pollardi, I have a question for you.

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Are you ready? Okay? Thatwas quick? Huh? I am not
well. I didn't mean to throwyou off, not quick enough, Corey
said Mac. You know Corey isfrom Franklin Soil and Water Conservation District,
correct, you know where she isthis weekend? The Wild Turkey Hotel close.
Couldn't be Remember that chicken, that'sit? How do you remember that?

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Well, it took me a minuteto be there. You have a
memory like a humble steel trap.It's a copper trap, not quite steel.
Oh but I got there. PrairieChicken Festival in Hayes, Kansas.
Yeah, I bet those chickens arelit up by now. Uh sure,

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I would guess crowds a rock.I thought she was going to call us
back and tell us, well,you know what kind of do a roving
reporter thing? But I guess notgood morning round. I'll have to remember
that copper trap. I always saysteel trapp and then everybody looks at me
like you sir, Yeah, Iremember that too. Yep. Yeah.
So last year I went ahead andmade myself a little greenhouse upound, a

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nice little kid, which is thestory for another time. But like most
gardeners, I kind of experimented andI dug up some pepper plants that were
in the garden last year, putthem in a bigger pot, over wintered
them. They are still green,they've got some leaves starting to pop out.
Any suggestions on what to do?So I cut any of the dead

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stuff off. Will it even doanything? Was it just a just chuck
it up to an experiment or what? No? You know, Actually,
peppers in some areas, some ofthe like the older varieties of peppers,
like the chill teppans are will actuallygrow year round, so they don't ever
stop growing. They get woody atthe base, some of the stems get

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very woody, and it's all obviously, most of the new growth that comes
out is where you get your flowers. So sometimes, you know, if
it gets a shrub size, youcan prune it back. But I still
remember, and I've never overwintered whenI'm when I'm done at the end of
the season, I'm done. I'vedone the ornamentals inside, but not a
regular pepper. But I've had severalfolks that have taken those inside and a
container like you did, got themto overwinter and actually set a couple peppers

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on there over the wintertime, andthen in the springtime kind of cleaned them
up. I don't know if theycut them back or not, depending on
how much branching you actually have onthe pepper, but then took them right
back outside and they continued to flowerand said fruit. There was a gentleman
that used to call our show.It sounded like an older gentleman several years

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ago, and he would call everyyear and report on his two or three
peppers that he would bring back inthe greenhouse. And it was a test
to the side of his house.Every year he would continue to get peppers
and they would go right back out, and he called to fall his say,
well I made it through another yearwith my peppers and containers. Now
I'm bringing them back inside again.So he did it for several years and

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had great success. So an answerto your question, clean them up,
and when the weather breaks consistently andyou can get him back outside, get
them back outside. Acclimate them sothat you put them, like in a
shady area so they won't scorch whenyou first take them out in full sun.
And then you should be good togo and see what happens and keep
me up to date with it.But he would call every year, three

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or four years in a row andtell me about these peppers he had overwintered
in pots, and they continue toset peppers for him. Now put it
back in the garden or leave itin a pot. He left them in
a pot. So he just transferredhim in and out. He had like
a twenty or twenty five gallon pot, and it made it easy for him
to take them out, you know, bring him back in. I think
the transplanting shock. You know,you take a risk when you do that

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and you pull them out and youput them in the ground. There's that
little risk and then digging them backup again. It would probably be easier
on the pepper, the planets offif you just left it, if it's
a big enough container, just leftit in the in the container and grew
it that way. I did itwith celery. I did it with some
tomatoes, and I did it withthe peppers. And I had a little
space heater in there to keep everythingwarm, and long story short fell and

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uh, the heater stopped running.And then my peppers or my tomatoes made
it through that cold spell, butthen the heater fell and that just stopped.
There were even had buds on them, and I think it's left with
my celery, the peppers, andactually had Gerbert Daisy Winner over and it's
actually blooming. Oh cool, that'dbe great. You know. The thing
about this and the celery, Icould see that that that, you know,

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and it'll take the cooler temperatures.Uh, you can actually plant that
a little bit earlier in the springtime. But the tomato vine, the interesting
thing about that is that you know, when you have an indetermined tomato that's
a vine, it just keeps growing, so you know, realistically, and
they kind of you know, youget tired of them, but you know,
you could. I've seen growers thathave taken those up to the top
of the greenhouse and just start tostretch them across the top of a greenhouse

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as they just continue to grow andflower and fruit. So it's easy to
pull off, you know, acouple of years or so in a regular
greenhouse heated and continue because they justit's just a vine. It just keeps
run on going. So yeah,unfortunately they don't like the cold weather though.
Yeah, but I'll send you somepictures of it. But like I
said, I was kind of curiousto know about if those peppers would actually
work. If I just wasted mytime, but you know, Guardening his

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experiment and we just learned and livedevery time and you have you have fun
with it. I always say,it's trowel and air and it's always a
lot of fun and it's always funto share your story. And I'm glad
you did Mark. I appreciate it. All right, thanks Ron, All
right, take care, good talking. We did a quick break. We
come back Margie and Rob. You'recoming up next here on news radio six
to ten WTVN talking to your gardeningNews Radio six to ten WTVN. Real

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quick, before we go back tothe gardening phone lines, I just want
to remind you that the roundup weedand grass killer ready to use the pump
to concentrate, They've changed the formula. You still may find the old one
on the shelf, but look whenyou buy that, don't you grab a
bottle and take it home and notread the label If it says exclusive formula
on the front, and it should. It's different from the old formula.

(24:11):
They're taking the glyphosate out and putin three different herbicides. So the restrictions
for replanting, for what you canput it around, et cetera, et
cetera, have changed. Make sureyou read the label. You should always
read the label of everything you wouldget chemicals, fertilizers, fung I don't
care. You should always read thelabel. You read the label when you
get your own medicine, right,Well, you need to read the label.

(24:33):
But again this could be a littleconfusing. So I just want to
keep bringing it up because a lotof folks buying round up right now.
It's your go to for getting ridof those weeds and grass, you know,
grasses here and there, to killthem all out. But it is
a new formula. It says exclusiveformula across the label. Make sure you
read it. Just for instance,you can't it's not label for around vegetables

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or edibles anymore. Can't do that. If you want to replant the grass
it's seven days. Replanting trees andshrubs it's two weeks. And replanting evergreens
in the area where you sprayed itwould be thirty days. So again,
check out the label. Read thelabel before you use. The product may
look the same, but it isdifferent. It says exclusive formula. Don't
get don't get a fool there andthinking to see the old one. All

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right, it is all new,Margie, Good morning, good morning,
Ron, Hello, love your show. Thank you. I have two questions,
okay about a butterfly bush that isat at another property and I want
to dig it up and bring itto my property. And the second one

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is about the same. I havesome red poppies and I'd like to know
how I can replant those, digthem up and replan them. Let's go
to the but layer or the butterflybush first. The best time to dig
in and move those would be whenthey're dormant. Now they a lot of

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times, they don't totally shut downover the wintertime. They've got leaves all
winter, but before they really startto get actively regrowing in the springtime is
a good time to dig and move. Or in the fall as we get
you know, mid to late octoberishto move. At that time, they're
already starting to relief. And Idon't know if you've looked at it,
but it's probably started starting to putleaves out and not new growth, but

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I'm seeing new leaves coming out.If it were in my yard and I
wanted to move it right now,I'd still go ahead and dig it and
move it. So I think you'reokay, feel free to cut it back,
clean it up, do all thatstuff. But I'd get on it
as soon as possible because as thesoil and the air temperatures start to warm.
Now those things are going to popand go like crazy, So jump

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on it as soon as you can, and again feel free to cut it
back to make it easier for youto move. And of course when you
cut it back, you flush upa nice new plant on top. So
that's the way I would look atthat. As far as the poppies a
little bit more difficult as far astransplanting can be done. You know,
the foliage kind of poops out overtime after they're finished flowering, and all

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of you noticed that before, yes, and once they do that, it
kind of shut down. That wouldbe a time that you could move them
more again earlier at late winter earlyspring, it would be a possibility for
you as well, but again notwhile they're actively growing. And you know,
again take as much of a rootsystem as you can't, pop it
up, get it over to whereyou're going to plan and put it back

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in. But you know, eitherearly on or after they've that foliage has
really started to just wear out anddoesn't look good anymore, that would be
a second option for you there.Okay, Now on that butterfly bush,
did she say right now if Iand I will dig it up, I
should cut back anything that is notactively green or growing. Yeah, I

(27:56):
get rid of anything. I mean, clean it up, just like you
would have done anyway. So ifthere's any dead branches in there, get
rid of all that stuff, cleanthat all out. You know. For
me personally, I take those andcut them back really hard every spring,
and I do that on purpose becauseI just want them to flush up all
new new branches, all new foliage, and you get a lot more flowers
that way. Now, some folks, and you may do this, Margie.

(28:18):
You let them just stay bigger insize and kind of clean them up
and let them be a bigger plant. You can do it either way.
That's that's okay. Both ways work. But if it makes it easier for
you to move it by cutting itback so it's just easier to handle,
feel free to do that before youdig it. Sounds great and I love
that bush. It was my mother's. Oh yeah, absolutely, try that

(28:44):
on into my home here. Wellonce again, ron Hey, you're welcome,
good luck with everything. And youknow, I might even want to
take cuttings from that and share thatwith the rest of the family too.
That's a good idea. Thanks amuch, all right, You're welcome talking with you