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Good morning, everybody, Welcome back. I'm Ron Wilson and you are in
the garden here on news radio six' ten WTVN talking about yardening. You
know, one of those things wehaven't really spent a lot of time talking
about on our show, and it'sout there and it's nothing new, but
it's really starting to gain a lotmore in popularity and we're going to find
out why is having a flowering lawnor having areas of your lawn that's a

flowering lawn. And you know,most of the calls we get on our
show is not how to create aflowering lawn, but how to get rid
of the things that are flowering inour lawns, because you know, we
have that obsession with these very lush, green lawns, and that's which are
beautiful, there's no doubt about it. But this newer and more coming on

stronger interest in flowering lawns are reallystarting to grow. So to learn a
little bit more about it, Iwent to the folks with the Flowering Lawn
and they had their flawn seed kits. He is the president and CEO of
Flowering Lawn. Their website is floweringlawn dot com. Anthony Need Good morning
sir, Good morning, Ron Howare you today? I am great good

to have you on the show,so it kind of help us out here.
First of all, you know,this is this a fad? I
mean, this has been around fora while, so no, you know,
we've we've we've talked about it alittle bit in the past. But
is this a fad or is thissomething that's coming on and I think gonna
be a little bit more permanent aswe go into the future, getting it
having this flowering lawn, Well,you're absolutely right. I mean it is

gaining traction, but for all theright reasons, and with different groups of
people as well. I mean,definitely with the younger generations are looking for
something that doesn't need as much maintenance, doesn't need as much you know,
all the chemical fertilizers and pesticides.It's safe for their kids and pets.
But then our other generations are lookingfor something that you know, they don't

need to get out there and riska fall or you know, trip hazard
or anything like that with mowing somuch, and again all the expensive bills
with hiring a long care company.You can do this, you know,
for much much less than any sortof professional lawn care company and create more
sustainable, healthy environment for you.Your pets are pollinators, and so folks

understand that they're listening to our show. So wait a minute. I don't
want my yard to be some big, flowering prairie land. That's not what
we're talking about here. We're talkingabout a combination of turf and flowering plants
that still has maintained a pretty muchthe same height that you would be maintaining
your current lawn. Absolutely, thisis not digging it up, bringing it

with any sort of chemicals. Norototillers needed here. You have all the
tools you need. It's simply yourlawn mower, a leaf rake, or
a metal rake work spine. Sowe're just mowing it real short, all
the way down on the ground andoverseating or interseeding with low growing wildflowers and
clovers that are going to replace yourneed for fertilizers, reduce your watering,

and attract pollinators. These are smallflowers for people, but big flowers for
our are pollinator friends, our butterflies, mock speeds. And to do this
timing wise, if we you know, somebody's listening saying, but you know,
kind of interesting and I would likemaybe experiment with part of our yard
somewhere see how it works, tosee how it looks. Is there a

better time spring or fall? Orthis can be done pretty much anytime.
Yeah, now is a really greattime to get out there and do it.
Our soil temperatures are nice and warmnow we're getting frequent rains and you
can do it now in the spring. Just the word of caution, you
need to be able to water througha potential drought or hot summer. Otherwise

your your best seeding window of theyear. It's just kind of like grass
seed. It's going to be thatlate summer end of August, early to
mid September. That's a great timeas well, all right, so I
guess so then basically spring and falland you still have time to do it
here in the Columbus area. Iffolks are interested, you do you find
anthony that you know, folks lookat it, are interested in it.

May wind up only doing just likea portion of the lawn, just to
get a better feel for how itactually works. Right, Well, your
property most likely has different micro climates, and you might use your lawn differently.
If you got wall the wall carpetin all corners of your yard.
Well, there might only be alittle area that you're using to play with
the dog, or the kids runon, or you know, the only

time you walk on your lawn isto mow it. Do you really need
it? So we want to lookat areas that you can reduce the maintenance
of and then also increase the durabilityif you do have kids and pets like
I do, running on my yard. Adding in micro clover or dutch white
clover creates a nice stick lawn withlike a dual root system because the clover

has above ground roots, So itreduces the ability of like the dog's paws
and the kid's feed from tearing itup and making the money mess. You
know what I Well, as you'resaying this, I think back when I
started this business many many, manymany years ago, when somebody was starting
a new lawn and they bought whateverseed they were going to use, there
was always they would throw in atwo three four five pound bag of dutch

clover seed to go along with thatnew lawn. And so when you seated
it, the whole thing had dutchclover came up. You know fairly well
it you know, and then asthe grass got thicker and filled in,
the clover seemed to kind of disappearand kind of go away because they were
encouraging the lawn obviously, and you'vevcentuallygot rid of the clover, But that
was all a part of the startingprocess. And I think I even read

where a couple of years ago they'redoing some research on looking at doing that
bringing that practice back again. Butit's kind of the same thing that we're
talking about right here, because that'swasn't what the clover was for, was
to help feed that lawn and getit off to a better start. Yeah,
exactly. Dutch why clover and microclover, which is just a dwarf
variety of Dutch hight clover. It'sgot leaves smaller than your pinky fingernail and

it doesn't produce the white blossoms.But both of those Dutch why clover and
micro clover are nitrogen fixers, sothey have a symbiotic relation and ship with
the bacteria that allows them to takeatmospheric nitrogen and put it in the soil.
So it replaces your need for anyadditional nitrogen fertilizer, so you can
put that bag away and you cancancel that lawn care company and you keep

that clover in your lawn. It'sgoing to create a canopy which keeps the
ground from drying out like the grassesthat are just straight up and down.
It lets the sun penetrate and dryout the soil real quick, so you
need to irrigate a lot. Thiswill create a nice cover to keep your
ground from drying out so quick andreduce your watering. Anthony Need is with
us this morning. He's the presidentand CEO of Flowering Lawn and the flawn

seed Kits. I love that flawnthat's standing for Flowering Lawn. Their website's
outstanding is flowering lawn dot com.If you go there, great information to
walk you through this whole process,show you what you need to do.
And of course he has the seedkits as well. You can order through
them and find it at local gardencenters as well. But it's flowering lawn

dot com. I know a couplepeople here in the Columbus area that have
done They grow clover and I reallyliked it and again said very few flowers,
but really did help. They couldsee the improvement with their turf is,
when looking at these flowering lawns andthis micro clover, even the Dutch
clover, is that something you coulddo without the turf or is that something

that you need the turf to worktogether with it? Well, we have
to say that it's still your lawn, only better. Okay, do you
recommend having about a fifty to fiftymix of grass and over with the other
wildflowers? Now in certain areas,like we have a slope and septic mix
that does get a little bit tallerand requires only maybe two mowings per year.

You know, if you have areasunder trees that you're never walking on
or using for any kind of sportor recreation, or a slope that you're
going to risk a fall or youknow, flipping over the lawn more,
you definitely don't want to have tobe out there too much. So there's
solutions for that. But yeah,I mean, micro clover is going to
stay under three inches tall, bereally small. So if you do just

one hundred percent clover, most peoplethink that's what they want until they have
it and it just becomes a natty, you know mess of the too many
roots and everything in the grass.Does a really good job if you have
a good blend of grass and clovertdoes a really good job of making it
a usable lawn space that you canstill walk and play on, just like
my kids and my dog do inour in our area. I mean,

it's all cool season grasses. Obviously, we see a lot of bluegrass rye
mixes, the turf type, tallfescues definitely we see in the lawns.
All of these will work creating theflowering lawn. Yeah. Absolutely, It
might just vary a little bit howmuch you need to do for prep work.

If you have a really sick youknow, sod like a high Kentucky
bluegrass content with like a sick bachelayer, it might just be doing a
little bit more raking to prepit becausethe seeds need to get foiled. Contact
that is vital, So might needto pull out an aerrator or rent one
or have a company use the aerraatorto get through that sash layer. But
as long as you can see thesoil, the seeds will reach the soil.

And these don't need to be buriedunder the soil. They just need
contact with the surface of the soilto get germinated. Talking with Anthony need.
He is the president of Flowering Lawn. It's flowering lawn dot com.
It's an absolute wonderful website. Besure and check it out. Let's take
a break, we come back,we'll talk about the flaw in seed kits.
How do you get started and howdid he get started doing this?

All here on news radio six tenWTVN. Anthony ne is with us this
morning talking about flowering lawns. Haveyou ever thought about it making part of
your lawn a flowering lawn? Well, you might want to. You know,
we talk about all the pollinators andhow we can help him out.
Well, you can reduce maintenance onyour lawn and help them out as well

by creating a flowering lawn or atleast part of your lawn. And you
know, Anthony, during the break, I'm thinking, you know, so
many folks now growing their own edibles, vegetables and all. And whether it's
an end ground garden or raised bedswhere you have the walkways between the roads
or walkways between the raised beds,I could see where this could be a
real benefit to do this type ofplanting so you could walk on it because

it'll take foot traffic. But onthe same token help to attract the pollinators
as well. Yeah, there's multiplebenefits in that application. You know,
you're going to have high concentration offoot traffic in between any kind of like
raised beds or through a garden,so this will take much heavier foot traffic
than the normal grass will. It'salso going to keep your weeds down on

your annual leeds like your crab grassand other annuals. And then it's also
going to help provide nitrogen and likeyou said, at track those pollinators which
you need for that fruit production.I think it's a great idea. And
again remember for folks that are alittle bit skeptical, you know, I
think it's worth taking a look atlearning more about it, doing maybe just

part of your lawner around your vesketballgarden or whatever. And again go to
their website. Is is great andfor flowering lawn dot com flowering lawn dot
com and you can see all thedifferent kits. Now, these kits obviously
can be purchased through your website,but there are a lot of independent garden
centers around the area around the statesthat also carry these. Yeah, Wilson's

Garden Center heard a promo during thebreak there for that and they are just
east of Columbus. They have them. There's a bunch of state in Cincinnati
up in Cleveland area too, sothey're available. But again, if you
can't find them, go to thewebsite and you'll find them on there all
the different types that are available foryou, and of course the information you

will talk with folks or chat backand forth or somebody will to help walk
them through this process through your website. Yes, yeah, absolutely, we
know that this is a little bitdifferent than what we're used to. You
know, this isn't taught in school, so we do the best we can
on our website with our videos.Our blog has great information articles. You

can find a full printable CDF withall the instructions for installation and for maintenance.
And yeah, basically we need toget the word out that that this
is going to be healthier, morebeneficial and it's easier than you think.
So really just hop online and checkout the website or some of our videos
as well on YouTube. Now.Anthony, at the end of the Every

show, I mentioned things I likefolks to do every week, and one
of which is called pamper your wormsand everybody else says, what do you
mean by that? I say,do everything you can to help make your
worms, you know, a better, better environment for your worms. I
got a funny feeling doing this.The worms are going to absolutely love me
for that. Yeah, absolutely.I mean, the worms are so important

to our ecosystem and this is justgoing to you know, having more diversity.
Reducing your chemical and your chemical oryour fertilizer usage is really going to
promote them. A healthier, morealive soil is just beneficial for everybody.
So how'd you get into this?So? I used to own an organic
on care company and this one daya customer actually purchased some Dutch by clover

online and asked me to feed itinto her lawn. And like you said,
I mean, I was that guyout there trying to use less chemicals
and less fertilizers but still keep theyou know, the broad leaves out and
just have a you know, monocultureof grass. It was a struggle organically,
but we really wanted to look atalternatives in this customer told me some

of the benefits and then I reallystarted looking at, you know, what
else can we incorporate? And therewas a five year research study done by
the University of Minnesota by an entomologist, James Wolfson, who figured out these
low growing wildflowers that work best ina lawn setting. So they tolerate the
foot traffic, they tolerate mowing.You know, if you cut their heads
off, they'll just grow shorter.So they'll they'll learn, you know,

at what height it used to bethe ice in the you know, the
deer, elk and all that thatwould you know, chomp them down now
at their lawnmowers. So they growjust finding these settings and they reduce the
maintenance and they support our pollinators.So it really just flicked for us,
and our lawn care company doesn't existanymore. My wife left her job and
joined me full time last fall andwe're going strong. Sounds like, you

know what's funny you talk about Minnesota, Uh one of their I use one
of their tip sheets, and Ihad been doing this for several years,
flowering bee lawns for pollinators. Ifsomebody was ever interested, that was one
of the tip sheets I would suggestthat to go take a look at.
So they've done, they've done theirresearch, you've done your own work.
You're doing it now. You're doinga great job at it. Uh.

And the information again on your websiteis absolutely outstanding. Is flowering lawn dot
com. And then he can walkyou through everything and anything you want to
know about turning part of or allof your lawn into a flowering lawn.
And you know, one last thingbefore we go here. I thought it
was pretty cool and it shows youhave a great sense of humor. But
again, uh, you know,keep in the environment talking about reducing,

reuse and recycle. Your packets ofseeds come in a plastic container, so
at the on your website it saystwenty two creative ways to reuse flawn seed
kit containers. I loved it.Yeah, absolutely, we get creative with
it and my kids play with thecaps of a frisbee. You can use

it as a water and can asalt spread spread so indoor host plants,
whatever you need to do, youcan use it as a base. So
lots of great ideas on there.Yeah, a lot of fun. And
I did like I guess you andyour wife probably came out with a play
Spin the Bottle. Yeah, it'sa two player game. I love it.
I love it, Anthony need againit's flowering lawn dot com. And

of course it's the flawn. Flawnstanding for flowering lawn seed kits a really
cool thing to do. You mightwant to think about it, and if
you do, go to their websiteand learn more about it and then take
it from there. Anthony, thanksfor spending time with us this morning.
I really appreciate it. Yeah,me too, Thanks so much for having
me. All right, take care, Anthony. Need again. The name
of the company is Flowering Lawn andtheir website is flowering lawn dot com.

Be sure and check it out.I think it's uh, you know,
as we continue to do more andmore for our pollinators, reducing the mainenance
that we need on our lawns andthe use of chemicals and all, you
know, embrace this thing. AndI know some you know again, like
you know, you're saying, thisisn't a prairie. You're not creating these
tall wild you know, native appyou know type of and by the way,

these are native plants. A lotof these that that you would use.
This is you know, you're stillmaintaining a turf type appearance with flowering
plants in it. With that microclover. As I had learned a long
time ago talking with the Teresa Parkerand you know, you really don't notice
it that much is down in there, doesn't You don't see the flowers,
but really does help the turf that'sthere. So you know, keep it

in mind. I keep an openmind about it. Learn more about it.
I think it's something you might wantto consider and part of the lawn,
around the vegetable garden, around theraised bed, something like that,
and you might wind up finding yourselfexpanding it even more than in those areas
again to learn more. Flowering lawndot com before we take a break,

had a caller during well our conversationhere said that if you got a moment,
can you address when is the besttime to transplant pa andies which have
just finished flowering. And I thinkfor the most part it did a pretty
nice job to spring. The besttime to you can plant p and eis
anytime during the year if you findpenies growing in containers. That's the good

thing about growing in containers that they'reavailable for planting anytime during the growing season.
But if you want to transplant yourpa and ees, the best time
to do that is usually around earlyto mid September. All right, that's
the time to go in, youstart to kind of clean them up a
little bit, they started to lookkind of ratty. That's a good time

to go in and dig those clumpsup, separate them out, and transplant
as needed, or if you're takingthe whole clump, to move it as
needed. And the thing to rememberabout transplanting pa andies, if you're going
to divide up your clumps and all, is to make sure that you replant
them at the exact same depth ofwhere they were when you dug them up.
So many times we'll take p andiesand either planting new ones or transplanting

existing ones, and we wind upplanting them a little bit too deep.
And if those eyes go down alittle bit too deep into the ground,
you get a great looking plant,but all of a sudden, they don't
flower anymore. And most of thetime when we have that problem where I
had these p andis and I movedand blah blah, and they don't they
don't flower anymore. A lot ofties is because either you've mulched over top

and build up the soil over thetop over the years, or just plant
it too deep and those eyes aretoo deep and they'll send up the follwd.
You look great, but just won'tsend up any flowers. So be
cautious about planting too deep, keepingthe same depth as what they were when
you went to transplant. If bychance you were moving like I'm moved,
I say, I bought a newhouse and I've got this small clump of

peonies and I want to take itwith me. And it's right now,
you know, take it with you. Take as large of a root ball
as you can stick it in,you know, dig it, put it
in a container, keep it nice, evenly, moist, go to the
new house, get it back inthe ground as quickly as you can.
Go for it. You may losea little bit around the edges, but
I think you'll still be okay.But they actually go in and dig in,

divide and transplant. That is donein early to mid September. Quick
break, we come back. Phonelines are open for you at eight two
to one WTVN. Here on newsradio six to ten WTVN. We are
talking yardening here on news radio sixto ten WTVN. Eight two to one

wtv IN is our number. Hey, you know I'm one for always getting
folks to get out and plant thosesunflowers. And I think if you recall
back we got into that to theyear of the COVID when it really hit
that year and not many people youcouldn't do anything. You could get out
to your local garden centers because wewere essentral and it was and I'm glad,
I'll tell you what. I getsso amazing how many people thanked the

garden centers for being open as aplace to go during COVID when everything else
was shut down. And of courseit really did help to get people back
into their yards, thinking about thepollinators, thinking about growing your own food,
thinking about taking better care of yourlandscape and your lawn and things like
that. So it was a greatthing. But at that time, one
of the things we really pushed backthen was and I still do today,

this planting sunflowers. And I thinkI brought this up last week as well,
talking about planted sunflowers and how importantit is and how cool sunflowers are,
because anybody from two to ninety tworecognizes a sunflower. It makes you
smile, you know, when yousee them, you smile because you see
that sunflower. And they could beimpressive. With some of the bigger the

mammoths, sunflowers. The size ofthose flower heads that get on there with
the seeds, it can be crazy, they're so big. But there are
so many sli elections available today fromseed, and there's still plenty of time
to plant sunflowers. As a matterof fact, you plant them in succession,
so you've got them blooming at alldifferent periods throughout the season and right
into the fall. So there's plentyof time to get out and do that

yet, but so many selections available, it's crazy. So you get out
to your local independent garden centers,check the seed racks, see what they've
got left on here as far assunflowers, sometimes they'll still have them in
pots before you already started. Youknow, the Sunfinity and Unbelievable series we've
talked about that are ever bloomers allsummer long. Those are available for you
out there. But I had broughtthat up and talked about it for the

last couple of weeks talking about thepollinators and two things. One is I
always do a plant pick of theweek, right, So this week I
went ahead and picked some of thesunflowers for my plant picks. Now here's
the deal. I picked for myfirst pick, and you've heard me talk
about this before. Is called tithonia, a common name as Mexican marigold or

Mexican sunflower, goldflower the Incas,but Mexican sunflower is the most common name
used, or tithonium. This plantis really unique. The leaves are kind
of weird looking at it's big,bold plant. It's an annual. But
when these orange flowers start to comeon this Mexican sunflower, it is absolutely
outstanding. I'm talking really bright orangeflowers sunflower like. They're smaller, about

two to three inches in diameter.But the pollinators, especially the butterflies,
absolutely love these. You'll see butterflies, bees, hummingbirds all over these plants.
And once they start to flower,a little bit of dead heading,
they flower all season long. Giveit room. That thing can get three
four five feet tall with no problem. Couple feet at the base. It's

a big old bulky plant. Butman can input on some colors for you,
and it's absolutely spectacular. My Ihave one, and I plant and
I raise bed out on our becauseit's just one's all I need. Uh.
And right now it's starting to flowerat the very top barely see a
couple of those orange buds starting toopen up, and it's it just glows
because they're so bright. But it'scalled tithonia or common name Mexican sunflower.

It's not an actual sunflower, butI chose that as one of the picks
of the Plants of the week.Second pick being that it's the month of
June and June's perennial garden month.Get out to your local independent garden centers
and check out all the great perennialsthat are out there. They're available for
you. Really starting to flower nicelythis time of the year. But the
I picked again perennial sunflowers. Helianthusis the genus Helios meaning sun and Anthos

meaning flower flower of the sun.Uh. And there again, like I
said, there are the annual selectionslike you would buy from seed and grow
them from seed, but there arealso several perennial selections that come back a
year after year. I picked twoof them today that you've probably seen before,
probably growing out in the open,out in a natural planting. One

is Maximillion. Maximillion sunflowers get big. These things can get three to ten
feet tall. They can be veryaggressive, kind of fell in nice mass
planting. Sometimes you see them prairieland, but you can use them in
your perennial garden. You can viewthem in containers whatever. But big bold
sunflower, multiple flowers, but it'scalled maximilion all right, comes back every

year. And I also known asprairie sunflowers pollinator magnets, I mean pollinator
magnets, but they are aggressive,so you know, you know, it
likes a bigger area. The otherone would be and you may have eaten
these before. Jerusalem artichokes. Jerusalemartichokes is Helianthus tuberosis, which again you

see them in non maintained areas outin the country, growing in a corner,
you know, by a fence orin a ditchway. They like kind
of good moisture soils. But theJerusalem martichoke, of course, very edible,
really nice little sunflower on the top, big mass plantings. Again,
and there you get dinner in ashow because you pull up the jerusalm martochoke.

It's kind of kind of a sweet, kind of a nutty flavor,
but a really cool thing to eatand a really good cool thing to grow
if you don't eat them. Butagain, those are two perennial sunflowers for
you to plant. But either way, whether you're doing the annual sunflowers or
the perennial sunflowers, get out andplant sunflowers. And by the way,
I forgot to mention, remind youthat research has shown that bees and other

pollinators benefit even more than just thepollen and nectar they get from the sunflowers.
There is something in that pollen andnectar that helps their digestive systems,
helps to fight off diseases and viruses. Some hives that have been close to
big sunflower fields have actually shown theyhave fewer mites in their hives, so

they benefit the bees in more waysthan one when you plant those. So
again, make yourself smile, makeyour neighbors smile, make everybody smile.
It's a great plant to grow andkeep those pollinators and bees happy by planting
sunflowers. One last thing before Itake a break, and then we'll go
back to the guarding phone lines.Somebody asked me this week, which I

never even thought about, mentioning himbecause it's out there, but I don't
ever bring I don't know, neverthought about it, but said they went
on Johnny's seeds catalogs and said itwas surprised about how many sunflowers they offered,
first of all, but they weretalking about pollen less varieties and what
does that mean? And do Iplant those or I not plant those?
Pollen less varieties were developed for cuttingflowers, so cutting something. So when

you go and buy cutting sunflowers likein a forest or whatever, most of
those are the pollen less sunflowers.They typically don't have no pollen whatsoever.
They have some, but not verymuch because you don't want the pollen if
you're using it as a cut flower. But they all all have the nectar,
so they all still have the sweetnectar, but maybe very low pollen.

So if you're planning them, plantsome of those because of the great
colors that are available, and plantyour regular pollen full sunflowers as well.
Do a combination of the two.But they all have that sweet nectar for
all of them to enjoy. Now, quick break, we come back,
Carolyn and Donald. You're coming upnext here on news radio six to ten
WTVN talking yardening with great bumper music. Always appreciate all the music that Ela

comes up with here for us comingout of the breaks by the way,
I forgot to mention and we're talkingwith the mister Need. They're talking about
the flowering lawns in that if yougo to his website flowering lawn dot com,
they have it on that as asource of information. A great guide
that was put together by several differentorganizations. It's called Planting for Pollinators Guiding

Principles and Design Concepts for Residential Pollinatorhabits At. And this is ant I
just downloaded it yesterday and printed itout and we're at it. Took it
all last night and read through it. This is really cool. I mean,
this really helps to help you.Read through. This shows you all
the different things that you can doin your landscape. You know you can

do them all. You do one, do whatever to help the pollinators.
It's the first time I'd ever seenit. But it's called Planting for Pollinators
Guiding Principles and Design Concepts Residential PollinatorHabitat. And you can download that from
Flowering lawn dot com. Be sureand check that out. Read through it.
I think you will love it andyou will enjoy quite a lot of
the ideas that are in there aswell. All right to the guiding phone

lines. We shall go Carolyn,Good morning, good morning. Oh.
We enjoy your show every Saturday.And I think one Saturday you mentioned something
that would kill grass that is growingwithin a flower bit, so I have
some in my Lily of the valley. I think it's probably crab grass.

I can't use round up on thatken, no, unless you can only
keep it on the weeds that you'retrying to take care of. Otherwise around
up would take care of the lilyof the valley as well. It's a
product called a generic names are calledover the top sprays, okay, so
that you can spray over the topof desirable plants and take out and it

only kills grasses. That's it.And it's called believe it or not,
Fertilan, which is the company.It's called over the Top and it's fur
loan and it's called over the topthe top. Yeah, okay. Is
it like a powder. It's water. It's a liquid and it's water soluble.

And I think you can get overthe top both in a ready to
use and in a concentrate. Nowif okay, if where you go doesn't
have the fertile loan products, lookfor bonn Eydes And there's this called grass
Beater Bonn Eyed. I will probablygo to Straighters, so they'll have you.

Bonn Eyed is the company b ON I D E. And then
the product is called grass beater Ayou got an er. And if you
go to strainers, they probably haveboth. They'll have the fertilo and the
bonn Eye. They'll have both ofthem there. But there it's basically the
same chemical. Okay, thank youso much. If we do enjoy your

show so much on Saturday, thankyou very I have a good day you
too. Appreciate the call. Andby the way, so folks understand it's
called over the top. Read thelabel, as we always say, before
you do anything, read the label. They have about two hundred and some
plants that they have tested that thatsprang over the top. Iris, some
edibles, you know, land scaleplants, probably little of the valley.

If you don't see the plant onair that you're trying to spray it over
the top of, then I wouldjust take some experiment on a corner,
spray it, give it a coupleof days, see if it causes any
problems. If it does, obviouslyyou don't use it. If it doesn't,
then you're good to go and there'sa you can use those sprays over
a lot of different plants, butagain doesn't say it on the label.

Just experiment a little bit just tomake sure it doesn't cause any problems.
But both of those over the Topor grass Beat kill weedy grasses only.
That's all they go after. Andit probably takes a couple applications, but
it does work, and it makesit a lot easier for you and me,
especially in groundcover beds, especially inlike iris beds things like that where

it's hard to get in there.That works. Really, they work really
nicely. Fertile Home over the Topand Bonn Eye's grass Beat or one or
the other, and they're both basicallythe same product will work for you quite
nicely. I also want to backup real quick here before we talk to
Donald, I want to talk aboutShe mentioned Roundup, and I want to
bring this up again because I throughthe spring season, we've been talking about

the new roundup that's available out there, kind of backed off the last three
or four shows out this week lookingat some garden centers, and we still
have both of the old and thenew on the same shelf side by side.
And you've got to make sure youunderstand which one you're grabbing when you
take it off the shelf. Again, read the label. That's way it

always goes. But if it saysexclusive formula, this is the homeowner roundup.
If it says exclusive formula, that'sthe new formula. If it doesn't
say that, that's the old formulawith the glypha sate. If you want
glyphosate and you can't find the oldroundup, Fertilomes kills all is glyphosate,

so it's still available for you,but it's through the Fertilome brand. But
if you pick up the roundup andit says exclusive formula, it has three
chemicals in there, it's a newformula. Those are more mobile than the
glyphosate, and so you'll see stricterrestrictions on that label. Like planting seed

grass seed now I think it's fourteendays to wait. Like if you want
to clear out a bed spranging thisto kill all the vegetation and come back
and plant evergreens, it's a thirtyday weight. I would be cautious about
spranging over the top of roots ofexisting plants, whereas the glyphosate not as
much of an issue. So againread the label. They took out the

glyphasate, which is what a lotof people wanted them to do. But
it's a whole new ballgame with thisnew roundup and it's called Exclusive Formula.
And if you still want the glyphaSate, Furlom still got it for you
and it's in their kills All product, so it's still available for you out
there as well. So please rememberthat when you're grabbing that bottle, a
round up or anything you ever use, read the label because they will change

sometimes and this is a definite changefrom the original round up. Okay,
Donald, Good morning, Hi,Hi, good morning, Yes, sir,
I have I have arose a newrose bush and I planted at this
spring and keeping a close eye onit. I spray it for bugs whenever

I see bugs. I haven't seenany bugs, but this morning now went
out there and I noticed there's somesome holes in the leaves, not schewed
from the outside end, but they'restarting the middle. I don't know what
that is. I'll tell you.I'll tell you what it is without even
seeing it. It's called rose slug. It's not a slug, it's a
small caterpillar. It's a sawfly.It's the larvae of a sawfly looks like

a caterpillar. There's going to beabout a quarter of an inch long,
half an inch of maturity. Theyfeed on the underside of the leaf,
so you don't see them. Soif you went through and start turning those
leaves over, chances are you willsee them there. If not, email
me and I'll send you back atip sheet on rose slugs and what to
look for. But they feed onthe bottom, so all of a sudden

you see these brown spots which turninto a window, which turns into a
hole. And there are multiple types. There are some that are single generation,
some that are multiple bottom line isthis, if you find them,
smash them. Best way to getrid of them. Systemic insecticides from the
inside out will help you and folyour sprays of soaps or oils from the

bottom up. We'll take care ofit. But they're on the bottom of
the leaf, and that's what iscalled roast slug. You email me,
I'll send you back the tip sheetbecause we've got to go. Running out
of time, But I appreciate thecall Donald, but again, rose slugs
and I got a tip sheet foryou there. Thanks to our callers.
Thanks to our sponsors, thanks ofcourse to La Polarti, because without l
none of this stuffould happened. Nowto yourself a favor. Go out and

plant a tree or two or three. Pamper your worms, all right,
take care of those pollinators. Imake it the best weekend of your life.
See you,
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