Taj Gibson; Dr. Sheila Barbarino; Phil Cowley; Joey Thurman; Anna Devere

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a great show lined up for youtoday in our Hydration with Heart segment brought
to you by Once Upon a Coconut. We're featuring pro basketball player Taj Gibson,
very own to the Nicks. He'shere to discuss the Murk Knicks,
the potential for a coaching career,social activision, and the motivation behind the
Taj Gibson Foundation. In our GoingDeep segment, brought to you by co

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two Lift, We're featuring doctor SheilaBarberino. She's an ocular, facial,
plastics and full body cosmetic surgeon,founder of Barberino Surgical Arts. We're chatting
non invasive carbon dioxide therapy for skinrejuvenation, the most requested surgical and non
surgical procedures in her practice, andthe pros and cons of injectables. In

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America's Favorite Pharmacists. Brought to youby Mary Ruth Organix, We're chatting with
pharmaceutical expert Phil Cally, joined byJoey Thurman, a health and fitness,
nutrition expert and TV contributor. He'sauthor of two books, including his newest
best selling book, The Minimum Method, The Least You Can Do to be
a stronger, healthier, happier You. He's also the co creator of the

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fitness app fun Fitness Bros. Today, they join me to chat the dangers
of skinny fat. Also known assarcopania or sarcopanic obesity. It's a condition
in which there is a disproportionate lossof muscle mass and a corresponding increase in
a person's percentage of body fat.We've seen correlations between ozempic and sarcopania,
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Your Potential. She's going to betalking to us about financial alchemy, how
you can flip your life around andturn your money honey on to attract all
things incredible, including love, success, and manifest into the person you were

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State area. You're listening to amoment of Zen right here on seven ten
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Sam's up next in our Hydration withHeart segment brought to you by Once Upon
a Coconut. We're featuring pro basketballplayer Taj Gibson, very own to the
New York Knicks. He's a veteranforward who's made quite an impact on and

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off the court. He joins usto discuss his incredible journey. How pro
basketball was never part of the plan. The potential for a coaching career,
social activism, and the motivation behindthe Taj Gibson Foundation. None other than
Taj Gibson himself. Right here instudio welcoming now to the show is superstar
himself. Hello, oh, hey, how you doing. Thank you so

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much for joining us. A bigshout out to Preig Lennon for making this
happen. Thank you so much.Now, just for those of you that
are just tuning in and have notbeen aware of who Taj Gibson is.
I don't know how, but he'sthe real power forward, like I said
on and off the basketball court.A Brooklyn native and a professional NBA player
known for his defensive skills and bigheart. Taj. You recently rejoined the

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Knicks and coach Tibodeau spoke highly ofyour contributions to the team. What do
you say to this and how importantis your relationship with your fellow players.
It was a special time. Firstoff, shouts out to TIBs and in
the West, the whole New YorkKnicks staff management. Those guys treat me

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like family, did an awesome job. Given the old veteran a call.
It's just a great atmosphere. Therewas those guys are family. Well,
it's always about finding finding your fitright. So what road if you could
go back and look at the roadthat led you to pro basketball, what
was that road and was this thepath you envisioned? Really? Be honest

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with you, I didn't believe Iwas going to be a pro. I
was just focusing on being a carpenter, being as construction worker. I already
had my mind set on just thehourly work I wanted to do. But
college came calling. I was ableto go to USC. The NBA thing
came kind of as a shock,but once I took hold, I was
welcoming with welcome arms that I cansay, God is real for me to

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make it to the NB, Ididn't even said it. Be honest with
you, Well, it takes avillage, and there was a lot of
incredible people around you, and manyfans and experts see great coaching potential in
you and coach Schubido also mentioned anopen door for you to join the coaching
staff if you decide to retire.How does that make you feel and have
you ever considered transitioning into coaching?Uh? First, first question, well,

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I think far as like, howdo I feel about the whole circumstance
of guys just give me that welcomingof just being a coach and guys giving
me okay, that just shows alot of the hard work you put in
over the years, a lot ofrespect. Because those guys are old school
guys. They were in the leaguealong, They've been in the league a
long time. So when I hearolder coaches, older gyms give me that

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that kind of call, it's likeit means a lot because I put a
lot of time, in sweat andtears into this game, and to get
that it kind of brought a tearsto my eye because that's the one thing
you want to do when you willplay, try to play as hard as
you can, for your coaching staff, for the people behind the scenes,
and when they give you that finelynotch that not take it to heart.

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Well, the next chapter is knockingon your door. So you've been a
mentor to so many players, andyour leadership qualities have been praised and they
continue to be praised. What advicewould you give to younger players both on
and off the court. The firstthing I'll probably say as younger players is
the toughest part about the game isjust stepping onto the court. Just close
out ol the noise. When youthink you shouldn't jump, jump when you

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think you shouldn't, just go outthere and play. Even if you're late,
even if you're twenty minutes late.You think you lay for that practice,
you lay for that bus, youlay for that that tournament. You're
thinking that you're not going to bethat guy to do well, to do
anything, you go even if you'reyou're late, you've been playing around playing
video games all night, You're onPlayStation, Xbox one, whatever you want.

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You can have a thousand excuses.You gotta warn a mile to get
to school, you gotta run fortyfive minutes just to make it to the
first game. You're late, whateverthe excuse is, you go, you
go. Just go. Best effort, be a good teammate, stay committed
to improving every day on and offthe court. Of course, it's about
dedication and professionalism, and those qualitiestake you a long way in the game.

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resources and inspiration to the youth ofNew York City to help keep them healthy
and to help them reach their fullpotential right and through fundraising and networking.
It's of course your goal to enrichthese lives of the next generation of whether
they're scholars or athletes, and reallybuild into each neighborhood with sporting events and
clothing and toy drives that you doso much and reinforce really a healthy lifestyle

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beyond your achievements on the court,Taje, you've been now recognized for your
positive influence with your foundation. Whatdrives you to make a difference in the
community and how do you balance careerwith Taj Gibson Foundation. Well, the
first thing. First, I wasone of those kids. I was in
the neighborhood that wanted a pro Iwanted somebody. It's like a little few

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seconds that give me some knowledge,But Luckily for me growing up in downtown
Brooklyn, forll Green, my communitysheltered me. My community was behind me.
So i just took all those attributesand now I'm just trying to give
back to what my community gave me. Downtown Brooklyn has always been special to
me, and I'm going to continueto just be that forefront representing for Green

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to the fullest. I love it. I love the ethos and the narrative
that we're putting forth today because there'sa lot of listeners out there just listening
to you and really admiring not justyour professional career, but also the person
that you have grown to become andyou being able to be proactive, socially
active and give back to your veryown community. It always comes down to

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community. Like you said, whetherit was your teammates embracing you and really
providing that community for you, andwhether it was Brooklyn, same thing.
Now, let's talk a little bitabout coconut water because a lot of people
are not educated on the benefits ofcoconut water. So it's obviously refreshing and
nutritious, it offers a lot ofhealth benefits. It's an excellent natural hydrator

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containing electrolytes like potassium and sodium andmagnesium, and this makes it a great
way to rehydrate the body, especiallyafter exercise. So could you share some
health benefits you drink coconut water forand was there an instance that it aided
in your recovery? Man? Firstthing first, I'm a big big I'm
real big on coconut water. Beingin the NBA a most close to fifteen

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years of my career and given thebeginning the game of basketball my entire life,
coconut water's being the main source asmy after I would say, after
my thirdy in NBA, I noticedI was always dehydrated, always kind of
gasp but fit air. My fluidsare very low. When you play a
lot of minutes in NBA, youalways try to stay hydraate so you can

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get to the fourth quarter. Themedical train of staff just really just started
giving me coconut water. But thetaste I had to adjust because at first
I didn't really like the taste.And as time going, now that's the
first thing I drink fresh coconut water, so as I get up and hopefully
now I can get even more nowafter leaving being on this show, Oh
yeah, Yeah, we're definitely gonnasupply you with coconut water. We have

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the raw, the pineapple, thechocolate. Everyone here at iHeartRadio, including
Maxwell on Z one hundred, isa big fan, especially Maxwell's MoMA.
Let me tell you, she evenloves it. She calls it the coconut
milk. No, listen, wecould go one step further. It's a
great source for essential nutrients and allyour vitamins like vitamin C, B,
complex and minerals are included, soyou know that's not just a great tasting

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product, but there's nutritional benefits.Now, if you could give advice to
your younger self, what advice wouldthat be, don't take the game home
with you sometimes, because my wholecareer, I would say I took a
lot of games home. As aplayer, you try to try to separate
the two when you go home,try to unwind. But being around Tom
Thibodeau most of my career here hadme so in a mind frame of just

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being the very best pro you canbe, living hard, just living that
lifestyle, just putting the game beforeeverything, and so I used to take
the lot of the games home mentally, physically, and it was it would
it would drain me, so melistening to my younger self, I would
just say, smile more. Yeah, I definitely smiles. Open many doors

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for you. Now you have justabout a minute left. What is your
next chapter roadmap? You know,twenty twenty four for me? Well,
let's see. Right now, I'menjoying working out. I'm joint staying in
shape, the whole house, wholelifestyle, just staying in shape, drinking
a lot of coconut water, arerunning every day, running the Brooklyn Bridge,

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the whole, the whole lifestyle thingof just staying in shape. I
got my friends around. I letGod draw the line and I'll just follow
it. But right now I'm justenjoying just being targe joined being a guy
that loves the game of basketball.But who knows, I'm just an open
minded guy. Whatever the plan isnext, I went to us attack it.
Well, there's a big, bigplan for you, my friend.

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Definitely this is the beginning of yournew chapter. And I can't thank you
enough for coming here. Being transparent. Definitely gonna bring you out to impact
zone. Big shout out to DavePalagin. Know we're gonna bring Taj over.
Yeah, yeah, I've been herea lot is my negative wood,
So I gotta go check in andcheck in with the big homies. Check
in with the big homies, that'sright. And then Once Upon a Coconut,

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We're definitely supplying you with coconut waterfor your pre workout. We're gonna
supply you with the chocolate, willsupply you with the pineapple. We even
have the new flavors coming out,a whole new product line. Those include
alcohol, so don't know how youfeel about drinking these days, although I
love my glass of red wine andwhite, but that's a different episode.

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Well, thank you so much forcoming on, my friend. Thank you.
That was our Hydration with Heart segmentbrought to you by Once Upon a
Coconut. That was the amazing,the incredible Taj Gibson. You can check
them out directly on the Gram atTaj Gibson or you can head directly to
Taj Gibson Foundation. You're listening toa Moment of Zen right here on seven
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I'm your host, zen Zam's upnext and are going deep segment brought to
you by Co two Lift. We'refeaturing doctor Sheila Barberino, an oculofacial plastics
and full body cosmetic surgeon. She'sthe founder of Barberino Surgical Arts. Driven
by precision and amazing results, sheshares her extensive expertise and compassionate care with

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practices in Austin, Texas, andLos Angeles. Now we're not used to
seeing the words menopods and makeover together, but the phrase may soon be as
common as Mommy makeover. Plastic surgeonsare just starting to talk about menopause makeovers
as a way to address bodily changesthat we now know are caused by the
normal hormonal shifts of menopause. There'sno one procedure that is specific to menopause,

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but a patient who has long entertainedthe idea of a breast reduction may
finally want to get one. Someonewith implant may opt for a smaller size,
or someone may get a breastlift toreshape their chest. From Mommy makeovers
to menopause makeovers, where chatting noninvasive carbon dioxide therapy for skin rejuvenation.
The most requested surgical and non surgicalprocedures in her practice and the pros and

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cons of injectables. Welcoming now tothe show is the amazing and the beautiful
doctor Sheila Barberino. Welcome to theshow, Stunner. Hi goodness, see
you. So excited to have youon. So can you tell us more
about your background and what inspired youto specialize in cosmic surgery, particularly with
a focus on injectables, lasers andaesthetic devices really inspired me to focus on

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non invasive as well as you know, surgical or little surgical techniques that could
really help people quickly and there's nota lot of recovery time. It's actually
patient demand post COVID. They haveno patience for anything, no tolerance for
anything. Everybody's go, go,go, and they want the same thing.
They want a significant change with littledowntime, little pain, little anything.

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You know. They don't want tobe in her office for very long.
They don't want to have any downtime, and they want to go out
that night and look fantastic and shotoff their new results, which is,
you know, the dream. It'sthe impossible dream, but it's the dream,
right, so we try to andyou make it happen. I love
it, I love everything you're saying, we speak the same language. Now.
Carbon dioxide therapy, also known ascarbboxy therapy, involves the administration of

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carbon dioxide gas for various meta goand cosmetic purposes, and in the context
of skin rejuvenation, carbboxy therapy isused to improve skin tone, texture,
elasticity. The list goes on andon. So what is non invasive carbon
dioxide therapy, she lot, andhow does it contribute to skin rejuvenation?
I mean, are there specific conditionsor concerns that make patients more suitable candidates

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for this therapy? So the bestpart is everyone's kind of a candidate for
this. So I'll tell you mypersonal experience with CO two mask when I
first kind of brought it into mypractice, so you know, I wanted
to try it. I heard greatthings. We know, like you said,
the science is there. We knowthat carbon dioxide has been used subdermally,

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intradermally topically for many, many yearsto help with texture, tone,
hydration. It really is kind oflike a hyperbaric chamber for your face or
wherever you apply it. And soyou know, we all know the benefits
of that and it's very effective.But for me, My personal experience was
I tried it, you know,on a one off you know, you

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know, how good could this topicaltherapy be? And it was so funny.
The day that I used it,I was having my makeup done and
my makeup artist that always does mymakeup, my glam squad, you know,
God bless them, and talk tome, what did you do to
your skin? Like what new deviceare you using in your practice that your
skin's significantly different than when we didyour makeup yesterday and last week. And

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I'm like what, And they're like, yeah, it's just fantastic. It's
just taking the makeup. And Ialways say this even to my patients,
my surgical patients, my non evasivepatients. There's so many patients that come
in and they're like, oh,I just want to do, you know,
a facelift, but I don't reallywant to resurface the skin or use
good skincare or whatever it is.And it's so funny because as a surgeon,
you know, yes, I cando amazing things in the o R.

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I can do amazing thing procedural rise. But the problem is is that
if people don't take care of theirskin, it's still old skin. On
top of new results. Right,so it's people still don't look. It
can't be a mishmash of the skinbeing bad texture because that shows your age,
that shows you know, the sundamage, that shows your wear and

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tear every day. So what wewant to do is obviously minimize that.
And so what's nice about the COtwo mask is it hydrates. It really
gives that refreshed look. And soeven though I do wear makeup. I
wear makeup every day, Thank Godfor makeup. But when you put nice
bakeup on old looking skin, itstill looks bad. And I don't know

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what anybody says, that's just youknow the facts. And so it's effect
moving into you know, not justfor looks and for show, you know.
I honestly I do very aggressive lasersin my practice. I do very
aggressive peels, and I use COtwo lift every time at post procedure,
and it really does decrease down time, the redness, irritation, pain.

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It just really is that turning pointfor the patient after using it that it
makes the procedure not so bad.Yes, and menopause make men of what
they're calling now menopause makeovers, andall the lifts face breasts and neck are
set to dominate plastic surgery in twentytwenty four as patients and doctors are chasing
the more natural looking and addressing theafter effects of ozepic. There's been a

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nineteen percent increase in total procedures performedsince twenty twenty nineteen, and that's according
to the American Society of Plastic Surgeons, and more of us are talking about
it. Now, let's shift tothe most requested surgical and non surgical procedures.
So in your practice, what arethe most requested surgical procedures and what
makes them so popular? And similarly, what non surgical procedures do patient frequently

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seek and what benefits do they offercompared to traditional surgical options. But under
three minutes, Yeah, go okay, So let me take dissect your big
question one by one. So mostsurgical procedure that's being requested right now,
I believe is bluff for plasts andbrow pexy under ie lifts eye lists in

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general, that is probably the numberone. Probably number two is a liplift,
which is really surprising because it waskind of out of vogue and now
it's back in vogue because I thinkpeople like you said, are kind of
moving a little bit away from fillers, and so they want something that's going
to be a little bit more ofa permanent result and a little bit more
of a natural result, which Lipliftgives. I think the reason why people

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are going straight to an eyelid surgeryis because number one, the eyes of
the window, the soul. It'sthe first thing you see, especially us
as women every day when we applyour mescara or put on our eye makeup.
That's what we notice, and that'swhat bothers us the most, right
And I also think it's a surgerythat has very little downtime, right It's
it really is an hour maybe anhour and a half or less in the

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operating room. People always look betterright afterwards. I don't care how your
people. All of my patients arelike, gosh, I look so much
better and we just did an hourago, you know, And that's how
everyone should feel. And that's whyI think that the eyelid surgery is so
popular. There's so much focus onthe eyes. As far as non invasive
treatments that people are requesting are like, you know, kind of what you

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said. So number one, threadlifting procedures are really big right now.
I think it's because people do havea little bit of filler fatigue. I
don't think threads at all get ridof fillers. They do two different things.
Threads lift tissue and filler fills volume. You kind of need both.
I always say ninety nine point ninepercent of patients need threads and filler,
and of course neuromodulator to stop thewrinkle. So all three of those are

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really the ideal way of taking careof your skin. But I think peels
and skin boosters are huge biostimulators.Like you said, people really want to
look natural that they don't want tolook old. No, and many younger
people who have gotten used to appearancechanges after dabbling and fillers in their twenties
and thirties are asking about procedures historicallytailored for the over fifty demographic. And

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while a forty year old may notbe a candidate for a traditional netlift,
a new twist on classic procedures isgaining steam. Right So, over the
last four years, the number ofbreast reductions has shot up by fifty four
percent, and the most requested implantsizes have gotten smaller. Five years ago,
everybody wanted to be a dcup.Now it's a large B a small
C. Right, So to yourpoint, shifting to more natural. Now,

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let's talk about cost effective non surgicalfacelift. So many individuals are interested
in nonsurgical facelift options. What inyour experience is the most cost effective way
to achieve that non surgical facelift.There's so many ways these say that's it's
the best part. So there's fillers, there's threadlifting, there's radio frequency,

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there's micro needling. There's all thesedifferent ways, and we can deteck it
on so many different areas that canreally lift in titan and make us look
There's hyper delute radius, there's sculpture, there's all these biostimulators. There's injectible
like I said, skin boosters thateveryone's kind of become accustomed to taking gludicant
dione and all these vitamins and gettingIVY infusions. Now we can fuse into

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our skin directly and it just makeseveryone look more beautiful, more radiant,
stimulating collagen, not just for todaybut in the years to come. Who
doesn't want to invest in looking goodfor the years to come and looking good
today? I agree. I'm allabout longevity and doing it the natural way
and aging gracefully, which is whyI want to talk about the pros and
cons of injectibles. So injectible treatmentsare widely still very widely sought after.

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What in your opinion are the keyadvantages of injectibles for facial rejuvenation, And
then on the flip side, whatare the potential drawbacks or the cons that
patients should consider when opting for injectibletreatments. The prose of injectibles are instant
gratification. Oftentimes it will make youlook more youthful, more rejuvenated. It

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really does hydrate your skin oftentimes.All all of the injectibles have a natural
tendency to increase collagen just from theneedle stimulation as well as the hyaluronic acid
drawing the water in to make yourface looks supple or whatever era you inject
supple and kind of place structures orfat pads and things that were there when

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you were youthful and younger put themback where they should be. So that's
the pros. The cons that we'relearning is that sometimes people can get over
injected, as we all know,and that's you know, I call it
marshmallow, a pillow face. It'snot a good look. Nobody wants to
look fake. But what's really greatis our science has become so advanced that
we're catching up to We want morenatural looking hyaluronic acid and more natural looking

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injectibles that really move with our movements. So every time we move we see
the filler. Or you can lookat someone now and you're not sure if
they had filler. That's the lookwe're going for, not that, wow,
she's got our lips done. Thatlooks a little crazy you as well
as hollowness underneath our eyes. Itcan restore. Fillers are fantastic. All
of us need them, and they'rejust like the magic sauce, but cons

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cons You know, with everything,there's a danger to injectibles. They're not
risk free. You can have vascularocclusions, you can have a rare case
varier cases of blindness. So youjust have to be really careful, make
sure your provider's credentialed, that they'rean experienced injector, that they know what
they're doing. And then I thinkthe most experienced injector can have complications just

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like anybody else. But what makesthem an expert is that they know how
to get themselves out of trouble andcan help you if you were to have
that complication. So that's what youreally want to go to, is someone
that knows how to deal with theproblems in case they arise, because problems
arise all the time, whether you'regood or you're not good, and it's
how you deal with them. Well, we are officially officially out of time.

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I want to thank you so muchfor coming on. And I love
your transparency, and I love thatyou are so well educated and so just
able to have a conversation right.It's amazing that you are so passionate about
your craft that you could probably officiallyspeak longer than I can. Ah,
I love it. Yes, Idrink the kool Aid. I sell the

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kool Aid every day. I loveit. I love what I do and
it's such an honor to do whatI do. So you know, and
I hope to meet you someday inNew York. That was our Going Deep
segment brought to you by COO twoLift. Check her out. She's amazing
barber Renosurgical Arts dot com. Youcan check her out on the ground at
Barbarino Surgical Arts you're listening to aMoment of Zen right here on seven ten

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Joey is a health and fitness,nutrition expert and television contributor. He's the

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author of two books, including hisnewest one, The Minimum Method, The
Least You Can Do to be aStronger, healthier, Happier You. He's
also the co creator of the fitnessapp fun Fitness Bros. Today, they
join me to chat the dangers ofskinny fat. Skinny fat, also known
as sarcopania or sarcopanic obesity, isa condition in which there is a disproportionate

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loss of muscle mass and a correspondingincrease in a person's percentage of body fat.
Correlations between GLP one medications like ozempicand sarcopania should be noted. Ozempic
can cause major loss of muscle massand reduce bone density, lowering your resting
metabolic rate, leading to scarcopania.It's a dangerous predicament to find yourself in.

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But don't just take my word forit. Joining me now are my
experts at hand. Joey Thurman andPhil Cally. Welcome to the show Superstars
Tube. Thank you, so,Phil, let's start with you and your
extensive experience. What are the keymechanisms by which GLP one medications like ozepic
and munjaro can lead to the lossof muscle mass and reduction in bone density?

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And could you also elaborate on thepotential risks and dangers associated with such
rapid weight loss. So everybody looksat these medication as being the answer,
the cure, and they don't lookat it the way they're supposed to.
These medications, the tpacitide and thesama glue tide, they're really great tools,
but they're not the solution. Andthe reason why I say that is

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is because we are seeing people losenot only fat, which is fantastic if
we reduce obesity, we think,oh, they're going to live longer,
but we're seeing up to fifteen percentreduction of lean body mass, and as
we get older that lean body massis the only predictor of how long we
live. And so when your bodygoes in has an excess of GLP one,
it's non discriminate of where it takesthe calories from. It takes an

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even amount from both body mass oflead muscle as well as taking it from
fat itself, meaning that you startto lose weight that it doesn't mean that
you're more healthy. The other thingthat GLP one medications do is they quae
it off and make people very lethargicand building muscles extremely hard. While you're
losing weight, you go into asaving modes and you're starting to lose a

(32:21):
lot of calories really quickly. Thelast thing your body says is, hey,
why don't we build muscle. Youknow, the risk of it makes
me cringe because the risk of muscleloss and sycopenic obesity while taking the GLP
ones is just one reason of manypeople on these medications should be under the
supervision of a medical expert, insupported by a nutrition expert who can ensure

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that they're meeting protein needs and avoidinghealth risks. And a lot of people
just get it on the black marketand you know, take it as a
weight loss drug. So, forJoey, how does ssycopenic impact an individual's
overall health and what role does maintainingmuscle mass play in preventing this condition?
And then in addition, if givenyour expertise, are there any specific exercise

(33:04):
regimens or nuditional approaches that individuals onGLP one medications can adopt to really preserve
muscle and bone density. Yeah,I mean too mirror fills, you know.
Comment, Yes, it's a tool, it can be a great tool.
I have recommended only to two clientswhen I know that they can actually
implement the proper habits that I'm goingto talk about here. We got three

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hundred thousand people per year that breaka hip. Ninety five percent of them
have you know, muscle off intoit because of a fall. So when
you're falling, your muscles need toactivate and better appropriate steps. So basically,
where you are in space, canyou catch yourself muscles need to contract
to stabilize yourself so you don't fall, you break a hip whistle muscle.
So Selker opinion right, is goingto lead to decreased bone density. Now

(33:50):
you obviously need to weight train tomaintain that muscle mass. Yes, it's
metabolically active, but it's also protectiveon your body. Think of it like
a body arm as well. Soyes, we need to resistance train at
least two days a week. Ifyou do have a full body workout,
get to the point where you're withinlike one to three reps of failure or
reps and reserve. What they say. Now, when people get on a
DLP one, often they're not havingit off protein right, then they're not

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working out because they're just using thisas a crust. But you're not having
your protein, you're not aware ofyour macro nutrient and your micronutrients status,
which is huge when people forget aboutand then there's lack of sleep and everything
else that's associated with it. Ifwe're moving less, if we've got less
muscle tissue, all of these thingsare just compounding and it's making us worse
even though the scale is going down. If the scale goes down, that

(34:36):
doesn't mean you're healthier. If thescale goes up, that doesn't mean you're
unhealthy. Context this, King,I love what you just said. You
should coin that, Phil. Whatare the challenges in balancing the management of
conditions like diabetes with the potential sideeffects such as cyclopanea from medications like ozempeic
and munjara and everything we've been talkingabout. So this is where you really
get interesting to me, because youhave to take something if you're diet We're

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not talking about somebody who just needsto lose a few pounds. We're talking
about somebody who will lose their feetor lose their eyes. And so these
individuals we see them as a higherrisk category to begin with. And because
we have that higher risk category,we put a little caveat next to their
name, saying, you're probably goingto be taking this medication forever unless they
can cure diabetes. And nobody's closeyet, these people are going to be

(35:22):
taking it forever and ever. Sothose individuals already know that they have to
be working out five days a week, like they have to be moving.
They know it because they got tokeep they have to keep their blood flow
to their feet to their eyes toeverything else, and so those individuals usually
come in with the idea of here'sa new tool to add to these other
six tools that I have. Ican't just do this and think it's over.

(35:45):
And they're very aware of what happensencyclopaedia and what happens to their kidneys
when they start spilling proteins because theybreak down muscles so fast. So I
actually find the individuals who are diabeticare much more prepared for what is required
them and have a better expected outcomewhen they start taking medications like this.
That's a great answer. You putthat exactly the way you know it's meant

(36:07):
to be interpreted. And the individualswho are diabetic taking these medications need them
as a survival tool, not justas another tool in the toolkit, and
they are very responsible about taking themand following the right protocols surrounding that medication.
To your point, it's the ladderof the demographic that we need to
be worried about. And Joey,this brings me to my next question.

(36:30):
How can healthcare professionals and individuals findthis personalized approach that addresses the medical needs
but also at the same time minimizesthe risks associated with cycopania. Yeah,
we need to have protocols, andI think when you have a protocol,
then you've got standard optimization for everybodythat's coming in. So any regular assessments,
you know, how are they evaluationson their strength and their bone destiny.

(36:52):
You can do a dexas scan exerciseprogramming. As I mentioned before,
at least two days a week ofresistance training full body, preferably more.
I would say, if you've gotone day to work out resistance strain,
two days resistance strength, three daysresistance straight, you have four days.
Then maybe we add some cardio inthere. Like we're moving, we don't
stop breathing when we're lifting weights,so there's some cardiovascul components from that.
Okay, just get your steps andthat's free, like hit teny twelve thousand

(37:14):
a day. That will help evenif you're not active, if you're elderly,
if you're looking at studies them justmoving around if they weren't active,
that will actually help build a littlebit of muscle tissue and maintain the muscle
tissue. And then we add somelight resistance training in there. They don't
need to go to full on failurebecause they haven't worked out in a long
time. That could even be upto like eight reps before they fail out.
Lifestyle modification, sleep conger, recovery, all that sort of stuff is

(37:37):
going to make sense, and thenyou've got to go back and monitor and
reassess. Wow. Wow, Wow, that was like the speed answer in
under two minutes. I love it. Gotcha, Phil. Regarding ozempic's impact
on resting metabolic rate, can youexplain how ozempic specifically affects that metabolic rate
at the resting metabolic rate and whythis aspect is crucial in the context of

(37:59):
Star Yeah. I mean Joey answereda little bit that earlier, and I
love the way that he did it. I always look at our bodies as
like a car. So when wego into a resting state, instead of
using all eight cylinders, our bodysays, oh, I only need to
use four. Well that four cylinders. When we use it, the car
burns less gas, and that gasequivlates out to our metabolic state. When

(38:21):
we start building lean muscle, let'sjust say you start hitting the gym three
days a week and you do whatyou can do now every time you get
up and move, you move allthose muscles, so instead of just using
four cylinders, you've moved to eightcylinders, meaning that your body says,
hey, if I'm going to move, I'm going to kick in more,
and that muscle is going to makeme burn more. So you'll find somebody
who starts out with ozempic burning eighteenhundred calories a day, but by the

(38:45):
time that they're done dropping all theweight, they are now they're only burning
twelve hundred, but they're still usedto eating that eighteen hundred. So they
come off of the ozempic, don'thave those extra muscles that have burned that
extra energy, and then they goback to the eighteen hundred. Now you're
gaining six hundred calories a day justbecause you've lost so much lean muscle mass.

(39:07):
And so the more muscle you haveengaged, even when you just pick
up a jar of pickles, willincrease the way that your metabolism work.
When you sleep, how you feelyour you know, your thermo dynamics will
tell you a lot. People wholose a lot of weight all of a
sudden, are cold out of nowhere. All of those things lean to loss
of muscle mass and loss of musclemass again is the highest place to look

(39:29):
at on longevity of life. Youlose muscle loss, you die younger.
Wow, that just hits straight closeto home because at this point even people
that are not overweight should heed thewarning because it's all about muscle mass.
Now, Joey, from a fitnessand nutrition standpoint, how can individuals manage
their metabolic rate to mitigate the risksof muscle mass loss which seems to be

(39:52):
the big culprit here. Yeah,I'm gonna try to answer this in about
a minute. As so, let'sremember shreds, boule feedback, sleep,
hunger, recovery, energy, digestion, stress. Think about that right there.
As part of one of my certifications, I'm a fit functional nutrition metabolism
specialists. So we look at thisyear here. Sleep has to be absolutely
on point, whether that's you're gettingsix hours a day or eight hours a

(40:15):
day, make sure it's consistent,consistent times. Hunger, managing your hunger.
If you're hungry all of the time, you're you're going to probably binge,
overread, underread, those sort ofthings. If you if you're on
a GLP one, you need tobe aware of that and be aware of
the food that you're getting. Soa good tool that I use. I'm
not paid for, but I'll takemoney if they want to. Chronometer like
you can track your micronutrients, yourmacronutrients status and see if you're lacking B,

(40:38):
manganese, I, A, andI in all these things that are
metabolically active recovery. Are you sleepingenough? Are you recovering between sets and
not? Are you burning the candleat both fans? Are you doing too
many hit classes? Or coraisol levels? Is currently elevated? Corizols a good
thing and body think'scoresal bad. It'sa warm offer. Reason we have it.
There's no accidental hormones energy. Howis your energy? Are are you

(40:58):
sleeping enough? Or all these thingsbeforehand affecting you digestion? Are the food
you're eating affecting it? Their digestionis going to slow down on something like
this, So what can you handle? What can you digest? I have
a client that I just have itdoing smoothies and greens and fruit because he
can't eat enough. But it's gettinghis macro nutrients and micronutrients just from blending
it together and stressed. How areyou managing that stress, whether it's sleep,

(41:19):
whether that's work stress, whether it'slight stress, whether that's an acute
stressor are you doing breeding tactics youknow, box breathing, physiological size,
all these things can affect your metabolicrate and how your body is working together.
Like a car has still said,our bodies a system. It needs
to work together and fire in allcylinders. Wow, yeah, that's exactly
right. And when when I asa mom, I'm always advocating for,

(41:39):
you know, make sure we're gettingthe right amount of sleep because I'm always
advocating for optimal circadian patterns. Andoptimal circadian patterns of these hormones can also
contribute to, you know, ahealthier body composition, like you said.
And conversely, sleep deprivation can leadto increased levels of your hunger hormone,
causing more food craving. So itall ties back to just having your car

(42:02):
run like a well oiled machine.No pun intended, now, Phil,
can healthcare professionals and influencers like yourselfand Joey contribute to raising awareness about the
potential dangers of skinny fat and thespecific risks associated with these medications. Because
I feel like the medical professionals arenot attacking this conversation as aggressively as influencers

(42:27):
and health experts are. The doctorsseem to have taken a step back here.
Doctors like to use evidence based medicine, and they kind of stay within
that range, which isn't a problemgenerally speaking, but it's just a little
bit shortsighted when you have medication thatrealistically have been used by the populace now
in the way that we are forwhat two three years, they haven't had
time to gather the information that theyneed. We don't know what somebody who's

(42:52):
been on ozembic or on manjiro lookslike in fifteen years, because they don't
exist, and so we haven't evenstarted to look get the sarcopenic category of
individual, especially those in their lateryears. You know, you start somebody
who is overweight when they're sixty twoand they're already losing lean body mass,
and they drop a lot of weight, and we think this will be great,

(43:14):
and they take all of the informationthey have and they have extrapolated that
from obesity rates. So if wereduce obesity rates, naturally they live longer.
Well, we're reducing obesity rates,but not in a way that's ever
been seen before. So they're extrapolatingout two pieces of data. The data
first is they're losing weight, sowe think this is what's going to happen,
but we only think that because ofthese other studies. And so the

(43:37):
reason why people like Joey and myselfare seeing it is because I'm seeing patients
not performing the way you would expectwith somebody who normally lose weight through exercise.
Those people look different, they arehealthier, you see them moving more,
whereas now what you're seeing is patientsthat almost look like chemotherapy patients.
They come in and it's like they'velost everything and you're starting from scratch.

(44:00):
So it sets off alarms for peoplelike Joey and myself. We're like,
Okay, this isn't normal weight loss. Something else has happened here, and
this is a mess. I mean, this is going to take me months
to help them get back to wherethey're at. And so I think the
reason why you're seeing it is thehands on approach versus the data based approach.
And in ten years the doctors willbe saying the exact same thing that
we're saying now. It just takesthem a while get the data. Well

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that's another great answer, and you'reright. You put things into perspective exactly
the way that you know America seesthings right. They wait for the doctors
to come into CDC, hands themthe reports, the doctors reacting thing with
the FDA. This is a viciouscycle because in the interim you're left to
pick up the pieces of the puzzleand help everybody coming to the pharmacy and

(44:44):
Joey coming to him for you know, to get back into shape. Well,
we are at the end of agreat, great segment. Joey,
thank you so much for coming on. Phil always a pleasure to chat with
you. You are one of ourregular contributors and one of the most popular
at this point. Well, thankyou, Joey. This was awesome.
You made it so easy. Itwas so much fun. Oh, you
know, you're easy man. Allin a good way. Guys. It's

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very important to educate both healthcare providersand the general public about making informed choices
regarding medications and their impact on bodycomposition. That was America's favorite Pharmacist segment,
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