September 12, 2024 • 14 mins
It’s possible that Kamala Harris won the debate in terms overall public perception but in the process lost the election.
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
Freedom is here to stay. Time for Brian Mudd's top
three takeaways. The center from Florida America's comeback starts right now.
Speaker 2 (00:11):
Trump's damage control and Kamala's fallout. My top three takeaways
for you on this Thursday. My top one is damage control.
The date was October seventh of twenty sixteen. What happened
that day?
Speaker 1 (00:30):
I don't think jewelrymembers, I really did, I really didn't.
I don't think most people would.
Speaker 2 (00:38):
Hillary Clinton's national polling advantage over Donald Trump on that
day averaged four point seven points. Definitely wouldn't expect you
to remember that there is something that happened that day,
And no doubt you do remember though, that was the
day that the Washington Post dropped the infamous Access Hollywood tape. Now,
(01:04):
just to kind of take you back to where the
mood of things happened to be on that particular day.
Rolling Stone actually after the election, wrote a piece about
all this that that kind of sums it up pretty well.
Quoting from the Rolling Stone article, October seventh, twenty sixteen,
was the day that Hillary Clinton appeared to win the
(01:26):
presidential election. She was ahead of the polls in every
contested state, with twice the field offices as Donald Trump
and twice the cash on hand. She had been blanketing
the airwaves with ads and was on her way to
being endorsed by ninety five percent of all newspaper editorial boards, which,
(01:47):
by the way, I mean should the relevance of them
doing this stuff even back then, right, ninety five percent
of newspapers were behind in these jokers. And then at
four oh five pm Eastern time, the Access Hollywood tape dropped.
Journalist set to work writing his Trump's political obituary. Surely
(02:15):
no candidate would survive such a scandal. And yet okay,
so again from the Rolling Stone piece, and it actually
wasn't just the willing journalistic community that was busy writing
Trump's political o bit. A bunch of political abundance went
on the records saying that the race was over.
Speaker 1 (02:37):
I remember a lot of it was.
Speaker 2 (02:39):
Kind of like, you know, how you get the talking
points out there, and then everybody on the left says
the same thing. The glass ceiling was broken. That it was,
that's what the glass ceiling is, is about to break it.
So it was all the glass ceiling thing that was
the conversation that night, and many weakneed Republicans began running
(02:59):
for the exits. It was on that day that Senator
John McCain and House Speaker Paul Ryan both publicly pulled
their support from Donald Trump, and in fact, the then
r NC Party chair rinse previous attempted to pressure Donald
(03:21):
Trump to exit the race only a month and a
day away from election day. Now again, you think about
this again in context. You lived it, but you think
about it again. Trump down almost five points in the
polls nationally. The Access Hollywood tape comes out. It had
all kinds of not good stuff, and to say the least,
(03:43):
a lot of things that I trumpeted up apologizing for.
Speaker 1 (03:46):
Actually he had the.
Speaker 2 (03:49):
Former Republican presidential candidate and the current House Speaker both
saying that they would no longer support Trump for president.
The head of the party telling you to get out
of the race, and we are a month and a
day away from the election. The narrative that Trump was
(04:12):
done was so strong that day you might have even
been convinced that it was over at that point. Now,
the media establishment, the news media establishment, certainly isn't any
more objective or honest today than they were eight years ago.
I would say that the way that ABC News moderated
the debate has exhibit a in that respect. However, they
(04:35):
are far more cautious than they were eight years ago.
Speaker 1 (04:39):
Take, for example, the.
Speaker 2 (04:40):
Amazon Washington Post headline this time around right remembers the
Washington Post that did the Access Hollywood tape in the
first place. Their headline yesterday was this, Harris dominated Trump
in the debate, but tight race is still ahead, and
the story had said this still well, this was but
(05:01):
one moment in a campaign in which so many voters
seem locked into their choice. For all the upevil of
the past two months, and for all that Trump has
said and done, including his felony convictions and personal attacks
on Harris, the twenty twenty four election could hardly be closer.
(05:22):
For Democrats, the mere fact that they are back in
the race has been a morale boost, but there's a
warning from past elections that continues to get them pause.
And both twenty sixteen and twenty twenty, Trump outperformed the polls,
and his first campaign that was enough to win. In
twenty twenty, it wasn't okay. This is really good as
(05:46):
an example, because the wa PO is highly representative of
your godless Solace and Slanderer's news media establishment, the did
it's level best to try to take him out in
twenty sixteen, and still pontificates on just how awful of
a big, bad, horrible orangeman Trump is, you know, because
(06:08):
of all the stuff as he has done.
Speaker 1 (06:10):
We kind of a news article? Is it? For all
of the the that Trump has said and done? What
is it? That's journalism?
Speaker 2 (06:19):
These things and the personal attacks on Harris thing just
gets me to know when and Trump, you know, made
a brief reference to this at the debate, personal.
Speaker 1 (06:28):
Attacks on Harris? You want to talk about? Here?
Speaker 2 (06:30):
You have Kamala Harris, that is Liken repeatedly Donald Trump
to Adolf Hitler and the guy was shot, And you
want to talk about personal attacks on Harris? I mean,
these these people again they call themselves journalists. This is
the best part. Now even these people are now acknowledging
(06:55):
it is not appropriate for Democrats to begin declaring victory
falling Harris's perceived win in Tuesday Night's debate.
Speaker 1 (07:03):
Even they are quick.
Speaker 2 (07:04):
To issue a warning to their fellow Marxists about becoming overconfident.
Donald Trump has historically been a master of damage control
and to the extent the damage may have been done
to his campaign, if any. Following Tuesday night's debate, consider this,
Trump was running three point six percent ahead of where
(07:25):
he was today the Access Hollywood tape was dropped the
current situation, who seemed to be far more manageable for
the former, perhaps future president of the United States. That
is especially true when you consider what the debate was
mostly about. This is my second takeaway today, and here's
a hint. It wasn't Trump. What's your opinion of Donald
(07:45):
Trump today? What was your opinion of Donald Trump on Monday?
What was your opinion of Donald Trump seven years ago?
Speaker 1 (07:54):
Today? I mean, it has a really changed.
Speaker 2 (07:58):
There is no more clearly define presidential candidate in modern
American history than Donald Trump as he's now into the
home stretch of his third presidential campaign. The debate was
about what it was mostly about, Kamala Harris in her
effort to attempt to define herself for casual voters and
(08:18):
to attempt to redefine herself for slightly more informed voters
who are aware that her voting record most closely aligned
with a socialist Bernie Sanders. Perhaps the most important question
was she able to do it? Now, we're not going
to know for sure until after votes are counted on
(08:38):
election day. But consider this story and consider the source
of the story.
Speaker 1 (08:41):
He knows.
Speaker 2 (08:42):
I'm bringing you all left media outlets here. I have
brought you Rolling Stone, Washington Post, and now Reuters. This
is Reuter's headline, some undecided voters not convinced by Harris
after with Trump, and that actually is under selling what
(09:05):
they have in their story. The revealing story goes like this,
quitting Ruters. Reuters interviewed ten people who are still unsure
how they were going to vote in the November five
election before they watched the debate. Six said afterward they
would now either vote for Trump or were leaning toward
(09:27):
backing him. Three said they would now back Harris. One
was still unsure how he would vote. Well, shut the
front door on that one. Right, You mean to tell
me that despite the widely held belief that Trump was
waxed Tuesday night, it was possible for a control group
(09:47):
of undecided voters to write for him anyway. As the
story goes on to say, Harris and Trump are in
a tight race and the election would likely be decided
by just tens of thousands of votes and a handful
of battleground states, many of whom are swing voters. Like
the undecided voters who spoke to Reuters, Although the sample
(10:08):
science was small, the responses suggested Harris might need to
provide more detailed policy proposals to win over voters who
have yet to make up their minds. Five said they
found Harris fag during the more than ninety minute debate
on how she would improve the US economy and deal
with the high cost of living, a top concern for voters.
(10:29):
The encounter was particularly important for Harris, with a weekend
New York Times Siena College opinion poll showing that more
than a quarter of likely voters feel they do not
know enough about her. In contrast to the well known Trump,
The Trump converts said they trusted him more on the economy,
(10:49):
even though all said they did not like him as
a person. They said their personal financial situation had been
better when he he was president between twenty seventeen to
twenty twenty one. I still don't know what she is for,
said Mark Caddish, sixty one, an entrepreneur in Florida. There
(11:11):
was no real meat and bones for her plans. Four
of the voters are women, and six are men, eight
or white, two or black. All have voted for both
Democrat and Republican candidates in the past. Okay, right, As
I've always said, you can lie to people about policy,
(11:34):
and those who are inclined to believe you, they will,
but you can't lie to people about what it is
or isn't in their wallet, because they.
Speaker 1 (11:40):
Know their takeaway today.
Speaker 2 (11:43):
Trump could have been far more effective in driving home
that point in the presidential debate, but for those very
few remaining people in the middle who still claimed to
not know how they intended to vote. They know what
was in their wallet when he was president, They know
(12:04):
what is it in their wallet right now. And the
impetus in the debate was on Harris to convince these
people she had a plan to make their lives better.
It was the first question in the debate. She didn't
even answer it. Now, you don't have to like Trump
to vote for him. Remember, everybody the entire vote Reuter's
focus group dislikes Trump. Six of them now say they're
(12:27):
going to vote for him. Millions of people who do
not like Donald Trump have already voted for him previously.
And what the Reuter's focus group showed is that on
the issues that mattered most, that matter most, a majority
sided with the former and perhaps future president on those issues.
And on that note, consider this from the same Reuter's
(12:49):
article and focus group. Robert Wheeler forty eight, a security
firm executive in Nevada, was leaning toward Harris before the debate.
He now says that the election are held tomorrow, he
would vote for Trump, largely because he thought Harris didn't
provide clarity on her policies. I felt like the whole
debate was Kamala Harris telling me why not to vote
(13:12):
for Donald Trump instead of why she's the right candidate,
Wheeler said, mm hmm, imagine that right. Kamala Harris certainly
did not win the debate in the eyes of Robert Wheeler.
You know, the hardest thing for any of us to
do is to put ourselves in someone else's shoes.
Speaker 1 (13:29):
And I know who I'm going to vote for.
Speaker 2 (13:32):
Nothing that happened, and that debate had the possibility of
changing my vote.
Speaker 1 (13:37):
You know who you're going to vote for.
Speaker 2 (13:39):
Nothing that happened in the debate had the possibility of
changing your vote. But for the Mark Kadishes and Robert
Wheelers of the world. They evidently did not know how
they were going to vote, which does mystify me, but
nevertheless now they do for Donald Trump.
Speaker 1 (13:56):
The debate about whether Harris.
Speaker 2 (13:57):
Could convince these people that she's something better than what
she's been according to them, she didn't do it, but hey,
Gamala did went over Taylor Swift right, because that was
a vote that was in doubt. Wasn't it really on
defense about whether Swift was going to go Trump this time?
Speaker 1 (14:15):
I know, and after all, she did her homework. She
was very studious.
Speaker 2 (14:20):
Yeah, But the bottom line was some of the earlier
returns is that it's possible that Kamala here has won
the debate in terms of favorall public perception, but in
the process lost the election.
Freedom is here to stay. Time for Brian Mudd's top
three takeaways. The center from Florida America's comeback starts right now.
Speaker 2 (00:11):
Trump's damage control and Kamala's fallout. My top three takeaways
for you on this Thursday. My top one is damage control.
The date was October seventh of twenty sixteen. What happened
that day?
Speaker 1 (00:30):
I don't think jewelrymembers, I really did, I really didn't.
I don't think most people would.
Speaker 2 (00:38):
Hillary Clinton's national polling advantage over Donald Trump on that
day averaged four point seven points. Definitely wouldn't expect you
to remember that there is something that happened that day,
And no doubt you do remember though, that was the
day that the Washington Post dropped the infamous Access Hollywood tape. Now,
(01:04):
just to kind of take you back to where the
mood of things happened to be on that particular day.
Rolling Stone actually after the election, wrote a piece about
all this that that kind of sums it up pretty well.
Quoting from the Rolling Stone article, October seventh, twenty sixteen,
was the day that Hillary Clinton appeared to win the
(01:26):
presidential election. She was ahead of the polls in every
contested state, with twice the field offices as Donald Trump
and twice the cash on hand. She had been blanketing
the airwaves with ads and was on her way to
being endorsed by ninety five percent of all newspaper editorial boards, which,
(01:47):
by the way, I mean should the relevance of them
doing this stuff even back then, right, ninety five percent
of newspapers were behind in these jokers. And then at
four oh five pm Eastern time, the Access Hollywood tape dropped.
Journalist set to work writing his Trump's political obituary. Surely
(02:15):
no candidate would survive such a scandal. And yet okay,
so again from the Rolling Stone piece, and it actually
wasn't just the willing journalistic community that was busy writing
Trump's political o bit. A bunch of political abundance went
on the records saying that the race was over.
Speaker 1 (02:37):
I remember a lot of it was.
Speaker 2 (02:39):
Kind of like, you know, how you get the talking
points out there, and then everybody on the left says
the same thing. The glass ceiling was broken. That it was,
that's what the glass ceiling is, is about to break it.
So it was all the glass ceiling thing that was
the conversation that night, and many weakneed Republicans began running
(02:59):
for the exits. It was on that day that Senator
John McCain and House Speaker Paul Ryan both publicly pulled
their support from Donald Trump, and in fact, the then
r NC Party chair rinse previous attempted to pressure Donald
(03:21):
Trump to exit the race only a month and a
day away from election day. Now again, you think about
this again in context. You lived it, but you think
about it again. Trump down almost five points in the
polls nationally. The Access Hollywood tape comes out. It had
all kinds of not good stuff, and to say the least,
(03:43):
a lot of things that I trumpeted up apologizing for.
Speaker 1 (03:46):
Actually he had the.
Speaker 2 (03:49):
Former Republican presidential candidate and the current House Speaker both
saying that they would no longer support Trump for president.
The head of the party telling you to get out
of the race, and we are a month and a
day away from the election. The narrative that Trump was
(04:12):
done was so strong that day you might have even
been convinced that it was over at that point. Now,
the media establishment, the news media establishment, certainly isn't any
more objective or honest today than they were eight years ago.
I would say that the way that ABC News moderated
the debate has exhibit a in that respect. However, they
(04:35):
are far more cautious than they were eight years ago.
Speaker 1 (04:39):
Take, for example, the.
Speaker 2 (04:40):
Amazon Washington Post headline this time around right remembers the
Washington Post that did the Access Hollywood tape in the
first place. Their headline yesterday was this, Harris dominated Trump
in the debate, but tight race is still ahead, and
the story had said this still well, this was but
(05:01):
one moment in a campaign in which so many voters
seem locked into their choice. For all the upevil of
the past two months, and for all that Trump has
said and done, including his felony convictions and personal attacks
on Harris, the twenty twenty four election could hardly be closer.
(05:22):
For Democrats, the mere fact that they are back in
the race has been a morale boost, but there's a
warning from past elections that continues to get them pause.
And both twenty sixteen and twenty twenty, Trump outperformed the polls,
and his first campaign that was enough to win. In
twenty twenty, it wasn't okay. This is really good as
(05:46):
an example, because the wa PO is highly representative of
your godless Solace and Slanderer's news media establishment, the did
it's level best to try to take him out in
twenty sixteen, and still pontificates on just how awful of
a big, bad, horrible orangeman Trump is, you know, because
(06:08):
of all the stuff as he has done.
Speaker 1 (06:10):
We kind of a news article? Is it? For all
of the the that Trump has said and done? What
is it? That's journalism?
Speaker 2 (06:19):
These things and the personal attacks on Harris thing just
gets me to know when and Trump, you know, made
a brief reference to this at the debate, personal.
Speaker 1 (06:28):
Attacks on Harris? You want to talk about? Here?
Speaker 2 (06:30):
You have Kamala Harris, that is Liken repeatedly Donald Trump
to Adolf Hitler and the guy was shot, And you
want to talk about personal attacks on Harris? I mean,
these these people again they call themselves journalists. This is
the best part. Now even these people are now acknowledging
(06:55):
it is not appropriate for Democrats to begin declaring victory
falling Harris's perceived win in Tuesday Night's debate.
Speaker 1 (07:03):
Even they are quick.
Speaker 2 (07:04):
To issue a warning to their fellow Marxists about becoming overconfident.
Donald Trump has historically been a master of damage control
and to the extent the damage may have been done
to his campaign, if any. Following Tuesday night's debate, consider this,
Trump was running three point six percent ahead of where
(07:25):
he was today the Access Hollywood tape was dropped the
current situation, who seemed to be far more manageable for
the former, perhaps future president of the United States. That
is especially true when you consider what the debate was
mostly about. This is my second takeaway today, and here's
a hint. It wasn't Trump. What's your opinion of Donald
(07:45):
Trump today? What was your opinion of Donald Trump on Monday?
What was your opinion of Donald Trump seven years ago?
Speaker 1 (07:54):
Today? I mean, it has a really changed.
Speaker 2 (07:58):
There is no more clearly define presidential candidate in modern
American history than Donald Trump as he's now into the
home stretch of his third presidential campaign. The debate was
about what it was mostly about, Kamala Harris in her
effort to attempt to define herself for casual voters and
(08:18):
to attempt to redefine herself for slightly more informed voters
who are aware that her voting record most closely aligned
with a socialist Bernie Sanders. Perhaps the most important question
was she able to do it? Now, we're not going
to know for sure until after votes are counted on
(08:38):
election day. But consider this story and consider the source
of the story.
Speaker 1 (08:41):
He knows.
Speaker 2 (08:42):
I'm bringing you all left media outlets here. I have
brought you Rolling Stone, Washington Post, and now Reuters. This
is Reuter's headline, some undecided voters not convinced by Harris
after with Trump, and that actually is under selling what
(09:05):
they have in their story. The revealing story goes like this,
quitting Ruters. Reuters interviewed ten people who are still unsure
how they were going to vote in the November five
election before they watched the debate. Six said afterward they
would now either vote for Trump or were leaning toward
(09:27):
backing him. Three said they would now back Harris. One
was still unsure how he would vote. Well, shut the
front door on that one. Right, You mean to tell
me that despite the widely held belief that Trump was
waxed Tuesday night, it was possible for a control group
(09:47):
of undecided voters to write for him anyway. As the
story goes on to say, Harris and Trump are in
a tight race and the election would likely be decided
by just tens of thousands of votes and a handful
of battleground states, many of whom are swing voters. Like
the undecided voters who spoke to Reuters, Although the sample
(10:08):
science was small, the responses suggested Harris might need to
provide more detailed policy proposals to win over voters who
have yet to make up their minds. Five said they
found Harris fag during the more than ninety minute debate
on how she would improve the US economy and deal
with the high cost of living, a top concern for voters.
(10:29):
The encounter was particularly important for Harris, with a weekend
New York Times Siena College opinion poll showing that more
than a quarter of likely voters feel they do not
know enough about her. In contrast to the well known Trump,
The Trump converts said they trusted him more on the economy,
(10:49):
even though all said they did not like him as
a person. They said their personal financial situation had been
better when he he was president between twenty seventeen to
twenty twenty one. I still don't know what she is for,
said Mark Caddish, sixty one, an entrepreneur in Florida. There
(11:11):
was no real meat and bones for her plans. Four
of the voters are women, and six are men, eight
or white, two or black. All have voted for both
Democrat and Republican candidates in the past. Okay, right, As
I've always said, you can lie to people about policy,
(11:34):
and those who are inclined to believe you, they will,
but you can't lie to people about what it is
or isn't in their wallet, because they.
Speaker 1 (11:40):
Know their takeaway today.
Speaker 2 (11:43):
Trump could have been far more effective in driving home
that point in the presidential debate, but for those very
few remaining people in the middle who still claimed to
not know how they intended to vote. They know what
was in their wallet when he was president, They know
(12:04):
what is it in their wallet right now. And the
impetus in the debate was on Harris to convince these
people she had a plan to make their lives better.
It was the first question in the debate. She didn't
even answer it. Now, you don't have to like Trump
to vote for him. Remember, everybody the entire vote Reuter's
focus group dislikes Trump. Six of them now say they're
(12:27):
going to vote for him. Millions of people who do
not like Donald Trump have already voted for him previously.
And what the Reuter's focus group showed is that on
the issues that mattered most, that matter most, a majority
sided with the former and perhaps future president on those issues.
And on that note, consider this from the same Reuter's
(12:49):
article and focus group. Robert Wheeler forty eight, a security
firm executive in Nevada, was leaning toward Harris before the debate.
He now says that the election are held tomorrow, he
would vote for Trump, largely because he thought Harris didn't
provide clarity on her policies. I felt like the whole
debate was Kamala Harris telling me why not to vote
(13:12):
for Donald Trump instead of why she's the right candidate,
Wheeler said, mm hmm, imagine that right. Kamala Harris certainly
did not win the debate in the eyes of Robert Wheeler.
You know, the hardest thing for any of us to
do is to put ourselves in someone else's shoes.
Speaker 1 (13:29):
And I know who I'm going to vote for.
Speaker 2 (13:32):
Nothing that happened, and that debate had the possibility of
changing my vote.
Speaker 1 (13:37):
You know who you're going to vote for.
Speaker 2 (13:39):
Nothing that happened in the debate had the possibility of
changing your vote. But for the Mark Kadishes and Robert
Wheelers of the world. They evidently did not know how
they were going to vote, which does mystify me, but
nevertheless now they do for Donald Trump.
Speaker 1 (13:56):
The debate about whether Harris.
Speaker 2 (13:57):
Could convince these people that she's something better than what
she's been according to them, she didn't do it, but hey,
Gamala did went over Taylor Swift right, because that was
a vote that was in doubt. Wasn't it really on
defense about whether Swift was going to go Trump this time?
Speaker 1 (14:15):
I know, and after all, she did her homework. She
was very studious.
Speaker 2 (14:20):
Yeah, But the bottom line was some of the earlier
returns is that it's possible that Kamala here has won
the debate in terms of favorall public perception, but in
the process lost the election.
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