What is Human Design? & Recovery from Eating Disorder

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Hello friends.
Welcome to Conversations withyour Chinese Auntie podcast
this is Patricia Petersen.
Your Chinese auntie also known as Yiyi.
When I turned 50 in April, oneof my oldest and best friends.

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Saloni gifted me a session with our guesttoday to learn about my human designs.
Human design is a multifaceted system thatshows a unique roadmap to who you are.
At your core.

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When I talked to Shannon.
I immediately felt a connection with her.
and Everything that shetold me during the session.
Resonated with me and help meto feel seen in a lot of ways.

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Sometimes.
I feel like the way I function in life.
Might be different.
From other people.
And.
It really helps to explain.
Who I am.
So I was so excited to invite Shannonto come and talk about human design.

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And you'll hear the different typesand she did such a great job explaining
what human design is content noteto towards the end of the episode.
In the last 20 minutes I invitedShannon to share her journey and
recovery from eating disorder ifthat is a sensitive topic for you.

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Please feel free to skipthe last 20 minutes.
I hope you enjoy this episode.
Shannon is a certified nutritionaltherapy practitioner and holistic
life coach for women and girls.
Her business started with a focuson supporting women to balance their
hormones and heal their gut challenges.

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In this episode, Shannon willtalk more about what she does.
I will include Shannon's website andsocial media link in the show notes.
I had such a great timechatting with Shannon.
And as always advisefrom your Chinese auntie.

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YiYi, is at the end of the episode,
Good morning, Shannon.
Good morning.
I'm so happy to be here.
Oh, I'm so happy.
You said yes, because since I foundout about human designs, I've been
talking to everybody about this.

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A few people are like, Oh yeah,we know you're so slow to this.
I'm like, why is it that you guysdidn't tell me about this amazing thing?
So Welcome.
First question of the podcast isalways please tell us who you are,
where you're from, where you live,as much as you want to share.
Yeah, absolutely.
My name is Shannon Keating, andoriginally I'm from Maryland.

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So East Coast, United States.
I was born there, raised in Maryland.
I went to Denver, Colorado for college.
So lived there for about eight years.
Then I did some travelingall around the U.
S.
into Mexico.
So I guess a different countrythere, but primarily the U.
S.
And then that was about a year or two.

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And then most recently for the last almosttwo years, which I can't believe it's
almost been two years, but almost twoyears, I've been in San Diego, California,
so that's where I am right now as we'rerecording this and this definitely
feels like somewhere I call home nowand I want to keep creating that feeling
of home here and just the differentcommunity relationships and everything.

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I love being here.
So that's where I am right now.
And outside of that, I do anumber of different things.
Professionally, I do life coaching forprimarily teen girls and young adult
women, but then women of all ages as well.
I do human design readings,intuitive readings.
I'm developing and running anafter school program for girls that

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focuses on social emotional health.
I do mother daughter retreats.
Yeah, a number of things but allaround self love and inner empowerment,
relationships, body image, just helpinggirls and teens and young adults gain
those tools at a younger age to reallythrive as they are, feel empowered in who

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they are, get to know themselves deeply,shine their gifts out into the world, and
not have to be so bogged down with it.
insecurities and self doubt and issueslike eating disorders and body image
dysmorphia or mental health challengesor just feeling like they have to do
what society wants them to do or maybewhat their parents put pressure on

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them to do or kind of live these quoteunquote perfect lives versus I like to
empower them to lean into their intuitionand leave live lives that are more
authentic to themselves and going toultimately bring them more fulfillment.
So it's a little bit more about me and youcan ask any follow up questions from that.
I'm curious, how did youend up doing this work?

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What did you go to university for?
Yeah, so in, in Denver, I wentto DU and I studied biology,
psychology, and sustainability.
At first I was, I was in betweenenvironmental studies and
environmental sciences and biology,but originally I really wanted to
go to school to study kinesiology.
So I'm very passionate about just healthand wellness and movement and nutrition.

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So I knew that going into college.
But for whatever reason, Ireally wanted to go to DU and
that's a liberal arts university.
So they didn't have kinesiologyoffered, they didn't have
anything nutrition related.
So I decided to think,okay, I'm passionate about
environmentalism and sustainability.
And then I really liked science forwhatever reason, biology specifically,

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I really loved that in high school.
So I was like, well,it'll be one of these two.
And then I veered to bio because Ihad a feeling I wanted to potentially
do something like Nutrition afterschool or something along those lines.
So that after graduation, I did goback to school for holistic nutrition.
And so when I first started my business.

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It was primarily talking to peopleabout health and food and habits and
helping people heal from different justimbalances or helping women have better
relationships with food, helping them getbetter, you know, healthy habits around
sleep around taking care of themselves.
That's how I first started.
And then that veered into more.

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life coaching and the reasonbeing, and we can go into whatever
you want is in my background.
So I guess growing up, I, I struggledwith, Just mental health challenges,
but mainly, and this is it's reallycool with human design because it
validates so much of what you experience.

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So I'm a very emotional person and a verysensitive person and that is reflected
in my human design chart as well.
So when I first discoveredthat, to me, it just was like,
Oh my gosh, I make sense now.
And All these things I, you know, I'veknown about myself, so anyway, I was very
emotional, very sensitive growing up, hada lot of deep feelings, and didn't have

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the tools to process them, so those wouldmanifest as just these different periods
of depression, and for me, also justsuicidal ideations, where I would just
feel like I don't want to be here anymore.
I'm kind of done with this.
It's too painful.
It's too heavy.
I don't even matter in the first place.
I would have all these kinds of thoughtsand questionings around why am I even

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here and is my life even valuable?
And mainly it was just becauseI would get to these really like
intensely deep emotional places andI didn't know how to come out of it.
So eventually I started to learndifferent tools and methods for
coming out of that, for feeling myemotions, for managing them, for also
gaining self worth, for changing myrelationship with my inner critic.

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And so all of that holistically helpedme heal from my mental health challenges.
So I began passionate aboutthat with different people.
And then I also, growing up,had some health challenges.
I had some gut issues and somekind of parasitic infections.
I had a lot of immuneconditions, psoriasis.
So that really made me passionateabout Holistically healing the body.

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And then I also had body image issuesand a couple of eating disorders in
high school, lingering into collegeand healing from those also made
me really passionate about helpingpeople again, with their body image,
with their self love, with theirconfidence, with their inner dialogue.
So I had all these different experiencesand that made me want to help others
with similar experiences, but alsojust the root cause of a lot of these

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things that we experience, which.
You know, is not knowing how toprocess our emotions or not knowing
how to manage the thoughts in ourhead or build up self confidence
and value and really love ourselves.
So I wanted to help peopleout with that stuff.
And so that led me to justdifferent certifications from there.
So human design was one of themlearning about how to develop.

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My intuition was one of them.
Reiki has been another, one ofthem, hypnotherapy, just pulling
from different modalities thathelped me that could kind of build
up my tool set to then help others.
Let's talk about human designs first,because it's been two, three weeks
since I had a session with you.
I'm still like, wow.

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Will you tell us what it is?
And also I would love tohear, how did you find it?
Yeah, absolutely.
I know because you area beautiful reflector.
So I'll just share that withthe audience because anyone who
does listen to this will know.
If you know, human design, it isthe most rare energy type to be.
So we were with a rare gem over herewith Patricia, which is exciting,

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but human design, let's see.
Okay.
I'm glad that you'reresonating with human design.
I feel like everybody who I, I get to doa reading with, or I get to explain their
chart to them in some capacity startsto deeply resonate with it and feel seen
by the system, which I think is helpfulbecause we need to feel seen, we need to
understand ourselves and human design.

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Helps us to understand our energeticsand then we can work with those
energetics to empower ourselves inall types of situations in our life.
So human design landed in my lap,actually the first time when I was going
through a massive breakup and I wasin what, you know, you know, the, the
whole concept, like a dark night of thesoul when you're just, you don't know
right from left, everything feels darkand you're just in it all of a sudden.

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And I, that's what I felt like Iwas in navigating this breakup.
And a friend of mine, I was actually,I was in the point where I was
contemplating, I kind of knew deepdown in my intuition, I needed to
end the relationship, but I wascontemplating and fighting with the
whole idea of it because I didn'twant to let, let go of this person.
And so I was talking to a mutual friendof ours and he shared with me, you know,

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I think that this system might help youright now, Shannon, because I was just.
I, the decision making, I was paralyzedand I was experiencing so many emotions.
And he had just heard of human design.
He said, you know, it talks about howto make decisions, all these things.
So we pulled up my chart.
Human design has its own language to it.
So I remember seeing all these things,these terms like energy type and authority

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and emotional and manifesting generator.
And I remember turning to my friendand saying this, It makes no sense to
me and I, I don't really care rightnow to learn this system because my
heart feels like it's breaking in half.
So I just kind of put it aside, butthen fast forward to a year later when
I had decided I ended up ending thatrelationship, signed to be single for

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a year, really do my own thing, focuson self love outside of a relationship.
And it came back around again.
And at this time, which was coolis I was actually about to travel
to India for the first time.
And this trip was a very, it wasvery symbolic for me of self love
because I invested in this trip.
And it was just for me because I wantedto go there and experience and learn

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Ayurveda and be immersed in Ayurveda.
So we were going to Southern India,Kerala, which is a Mecca for.
Ayurveda, that healing system.
So I was going there, but humandesign came in at this time.
I was like, Hmm, there'ssomething to this.
I was pulling a few charts, my chart, mybest friend's chart, all my family members
charts, I was doing a lot of YouTubing andjust Googling and trying to pull together

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and sift through the information andeverything was clicking and making sense.
When I looked at these charts, so Ithought to myself at that point, let
me just download as much as possible.
And so the plane ride to and from India,I just listened to Human Asyde podcast the
whole time and took notes in my phone andjust really gobbled up the information.
So then I had my India trip for two weeks.

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I was immersed.
I was there.
But then when I got back, andthis was probably 2018, I think
when it, cause it was pre COVIDdays, it was either 2018 or 2019.
When I got back, I was like,okay, I need to get my chart read.
Then from there I said, okay,I want a business coach who's
certified in human design.

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And then from there I said, okay,I want to be certified in this.
So then I did a year longcertification of the system.
And what I liked about my certificationwas that It was with another life coach.
And so she really taught us fromthe lens of coaching people based
on their human design charts.
So that was really helpful.
And so I did that and just immersemyself and then started doing readings.

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And I just think it's areally valuable system.
So if anyone's brand new to humandesign, I mean, you can, you can do
a quick Google what is human designand there are legitimate resources
and things that'll give you a littlesynopsis, but essentially it pulls
from a number of different ancientand modern sciences and systems that
study and show us human energetics.

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So it's known as your energetic DNA.
It's with you your entire life.
So you have this chart that'sgenerated based on your exact birth
details, time, date, and location.
And you're basically encoded with.
These neutrinos, which are tiny littlepockets of energy, so fundamental
energy, what this relates to humanwise are energetic tendencies,

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gifts, characteristics, personalitytraits, qualities, how you make
decisions, how you're emotionallywired, how you relate to others.
All all types and tendencies of you.
And then if you have someone who'scertified in human design, they
can interpret the informationand then share to you who you are

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mirrored back to you essentially.
And these are tendencies.
These are gifts you have to work with.
Also, this is where you canget tripped up potentially.
And this is not so much areas ofweakness, but areas to be mindful of
because there's certain themes andthings that we can get caught up in of
certain areas of our chart are open.
And yeah, it just gives you adepth of knowledge about yourself.

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And for me, it just feels like a littlemanual into yourself and how you're
meant to operate, and then you can be.
more your authentic self.
You can approach differentsituations thinking, okay, how can
I tailor this to me authenticallyversus trying to fit into this?
And so I find it just helps usto customize things to us in a

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very strategic and effective way.
I really like when you say you can kindof tweak it so that you see how you are as
a person in different situations before,I ask you to explain the different
types, how similar or not similar doyou think is human design to astrology?

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Yeah.
So the cool thing is I would sayI'm very passionate about astrology.
So I know a lot.
I listened to different podcasts as well.
And I have friends who are certified and Ican look at a chart and understand things,
but I would never do a reading or anythinglike that for somebody, because I just,
I wouldn't feel comfortable with that.
And it's, I'm not, it's just notmy credential or my expertise, but.

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I do find just based on what I know aboutastrology and human design, human design
astrology is a part of human design.
There's a component there.
So there's different gatesin your human design chart.
And these are also known as,as are synonymous with gifts.
So in human design lingo, they're calledgates and there's based on these numbers.

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And again, in layman's terms,you can think of them as gifts or
characteristics that you have thatyou can leverage in your life.
And all of these gates arethen placed astrologically.
So these gifts show up with alayering of astrology around them.
So there's the sun and the moon,there's the South node, the North

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node, there's the Jupiter, the Venus,there's all the astrological placements.
Woven into your human design chart.
So then when we start to look atthe systems together, there are
a lot of parallels and mirroring.
As an example, I'm a manifestinggenerator, so that's one of
the five main energy types.
And manifesting generator energy is verysimilar to Gemini energy, astrologically.

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Now my rising sign is Gemini,and my south node is Gemini.
So we can see how, okay, my rising, how Ishow up in situations like this, in social
dynamics, what the mask, you know, I puton, what I'm rising into, what I come
from a past life perspective around gifts.
is all Gemini, which is also myenergy type manifesting generator.

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So I see these parallels.
And as an example, with the manifestinggenerator, I was thinking about
that earlier today, because we'reabout to go into Gemini season here.
And when I think about two of myclosest friends who are Geminis,
they're also manifesting generators.
So not to say there's always that directparallel, but I do see, oh, this matches
this and you can see how they line up.

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And I'm sure if someonewas certified in both.
They could tell you exactly, you know,what's lining up and pull the parallels,
but I just see for my own like curiosityand astrology and understanding of
human design that there are multipleparallels you can pull from each place.
Oh, will you tell us in as much asyou want to share the different types.

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Definitely.
Yeah.
And that's, that's one of the main things.
So if you're starting to venture down,you know, your human design rabbit hole
or get curious and, or you already knowabout human design and you want to start
to learn more and more, it's alwaysreally good to look at your energy type
because in human design, there are.
A million different componentsand details to your chart.

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Your energy type is,it's like the foundation.
So if you are a pyramid, it'sthe base of the pyramid and you
really want to understand it.
So you have this foundationalunderstanding of yourself and how
you operate, and then it impactseverything else in your chart.
So energy type is very important andunderstanding your energy type can

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help you express the rest of your chartand all the other gifts and gates and
all the things that are more detailed.
So there's five energy types in humandesign, and when you go into your energy
type, your energy type is referring toyour aura, so your collective energy, and
how your energy operates and functions.

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As it goes about life, as you interactwith other people, as you interact
with environments and understandingyour energy type and how you
function energetically can help youalign to opportunities more easily.
It can help you manifest thingsmore easily into your life.
It can help you understand yourneeds inside of relationships.

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It can help you understand what youneed to be energized and healthy.
There are so many componentsof your life that.
Understanding and working withyour energy type can help you with.
So when we go into the five differenttypes of energy or energy types,
there are first the energy beings.

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So these are the two where the sacralcenter in your human design chart,
which is the main energy hub is defined.
Which means that it's consistent andit's available for that individual.
So you can either have it defined oryou can have it undefined or open.
And if it's undefined or open,it's more inconsistent, you want

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to use it in a different way.
Versus if it's defined, it'sconsistent and 100 percent of
the time it's available to you.
So there's two of the types thathave this sacral center, have this
main energy hub accessible to them.
Those are the generators.
and the manifesting generators.
So they always have the name generatorbecause that sacral is a generator.

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It acts and it propelsand generates energy.
So those are the two energy typesor energy beings or sacral beings,
generators and manifesting generators.
Then you have the three that are nonsacral beings or non energy beings.
Doesn't mean they don't have energy,doesn't mean that you can't do things.
That's not what it means.

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It means that you're designed to workwith your energy in a more unique way.
You don't always have the consistentenergy to do and create and work
the way that the generator types do.
And you want to be more guides aroundenergy and you want to be using more
perspective or you want to be workingmore in spurts of energy and sprints.

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You might feel sometimes, okay, theenergy, a few hours to get this done,
and then I need to lean back and rest.
There needs to be more wisdom aroundusing the energy more efficiently,
more mindfully, because it's not just100 percent of the time available.
So these are the projectors.
The Manifestors, and likeyou Patricia, the Reflectors.

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So those are the five types, and I'llkind of go into each one, but just
wanted to explain that difference first.
There's Generators, ManifestingGenerators, Manifestors,
Projectors, and Reflectors.
So first two are those Energy Beings,second three are the Non Energy Beings.

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And now when we go into eachtype, and I'll go into each for
a minute or two, there's thesedifferent tendencies and nuances and
nuances and details to each type.
And you can go more andmore and more in depth.
This is just like anoverall understanding.
And if anyone's listening, Great ideato pull your chart and know which one
you are, or maybe you already know whichone you are and then kind of listen and

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follow along the first being generators.
And this is right now, it'sthe majority of the population
are generators generators.
Again, they're they'redefined and characterized by
that defined sacral center.
So you as a generator have the energy todo create, Live a life that you love, but

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all based on your sacral gut response.
So you're being guided by aresponse to the life around the
world around you in life itself.
And that response is either going tobe, Mm, yes, I have energy to do this.
This excites me.
This lights me up.

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I feel healthy.
I feel the sustained energy when I'minteracting in this relationship or doing
this thing, or it's going to feel like,no, or like something's burning you out.
It's draining you.
You don't want to do it.
You're forcing yourself to do it.
But it's a no.
Ultimately, it's a gut.

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No.
So this goes into generators andmanifesting generators, but focusing
on generators, you're fueled by thatgut instinct and gut response to life.
And if it's a yes, this is howyou know what to lean into.
This is how you know what relationshipsare healthy for you, what hobbies to
pursue, what career to pursue, whatopportunities to say yes to, what foods

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to eat, based on that physical yesresponse, and based on your ability to
generate your own energy when you'reengaging with those relationships,
those people, those opportunities.
Versus how you know what to let goof, how you know what to say no to.
And it's important that generatorslearn how to say no, because
generators can so, so easily peopleplease is by tuning into your gut.

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No, not going into the mind and thinkingI should do this or this makes sense.
Logically.
Really going into the body.
Do I have energy?
Is this a yes for me?
Does this light me up?
Am I interested?
If it's all a no, you'remeant to let it go.
You're meant to say, no, you're meantnot to pursue it, not eat the food, not

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do that form of exercise, not go on thatsecond date, whatever it happens to be.
You want to listen to the gut response.
If you don't, it's goingto lead to frustration.
It's going to lead to burnout.
It's going to lead topeople pleasing tendencies.
It's going to lead to feeling likeyou're constantly forcing yourself.
You're, you're living on coffeewhen generators are supposed to

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be naturally energized by life.
Because they're meant to engage withthings that are yes for them, because
when they do, what happens is that sacralcenter clicks on like the switch turns
on and they generate their own energy.
So that's how if a generator isburnt out or tired or fatigued.

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You want to really look intowhat are you saying yes to?
That's a no, because it's draining you.
And are you saying yes to enough?
Yes.
Is it in your life that aregoing to naturally energize you?
And that goes to all decisions.
The other couple of things aboutgenerators that I'll share generators
want to think long term focus when itcomes to relationships, when it comes

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to career, when it comes to hobbiesand passions, generators have staying
power and they like to master things.
So it's really healthy for a generatorto find a hobby that they love and
go deeper and deeper and deeper intoit and keep progressing with it.
Or to have long term relationships orlong term commitments that again, they

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say yes to that's going to ultimatelylead to a lot of satisfaction from
generators when they again, say yes.
To things in the long term they know arereally going to satisfy and fulfill them,
and they see a path, they see mastery,and that could be anything in their life.
So that's generators, in a nutshell,there's always more details there.

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Then we go into manifestinggenerators, and the difference, the
main difference between generatorsand manifesting generators, I'll
go into some of the layers, butmanifesting generators are hybrid.
Between the generator that I just shared.
So manifestors can identify withsome of those things that I shared,

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but then they have a layeringof manifestor on top of them.
And if I go into man, I'llgo into manifestor next.
You want to think, okay, now I'ma generator, but I have this, this
nuance and this difference to me.
And so the biggest thingis manifesting generators.
You're still meant to follow your gut.
So same, all the things I said abouttrusting the yes, trusting the no

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applies to a manifesting generator.
The main differences are that manifestinggenerators, it's really important that
you engage your multi passionate nature.
Manifesting generators don't necessarilyneed to stick with something for 5, years.
They're meant to jump around.

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They're meant to explore.
They're meant to try something on, seehow they like it, stick with it for a
few months, a couple, you know, years,however long they want to, and then
take everything that they learned.
Pivot and move forward.
They're also meant to be very muchtrailblazers showing people, you can do

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this and you can do this and you can dothat and have a couple different things,
not an overwhelming amount of commitments,but a few different commitments or
little pots to kind of put theirenergy into and diversify their energy.
So they stay stimulated.
They can stay engaged.
They can kind of multitaskbetween one thing.

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Put it down, go to the next thing,put it down, go to the next thing.
So I always recommend manifestinggenerators find hobbies or a hobby that
they love, a career that they love, maybevolunteer activity that they love, have a
couple different things going on at once.
That's going to lead tothe most fulfillment.
And or go into roles wherethey can multitask, they can

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wear a few different hats.
They're not just sitting in one task orone role where they're going to get bored
after a couple of weeks, a couple ofmonths where they could really diversify.
Whereas a generator might love,give me this role in sales.
Let's say I love sales and I wantto get better and better at sales.

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A manifesting gender approach tothat and be like, yes, I'm in it.
Let's go.
But after a few months they get bored andthey need to diversify or move forward.
They could still do the sales,but in addition to this, or now
it progresses here, it needs tobe changing and evolving to keep
that manifesting generator engaged.
. I'm curious.

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So if you look at someone who'salways hopping from one thing to
the other society, doesn't alwaysnecessarily love that, right?
Because they say you're not grounded.
Would someone who doesn't know thatthey are a manifesting generator be
doing that and still feel ungrounded,or does it feel good to them?

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Yeah, that's a, that is such a goodquestion because I, so when it comes
to our society, generators have itthe easiest because our society is
set up for a generator, whereas asall other energy types are going
to have issues because there's.
There's like a box, a generator box thateveryone's kind of expected to be in.

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And so for the generator, it works great.
Find a niche that lights you upand stick with it for your life
and keep building, you know, thatdream life that lights you up.
That's a generator.
But when you come, the questionwas so good for a manifesting
generator, I see it like, for example,
the biggest thing that manifestorgenerator needs to be empowered

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around is it's okay to quit orit's okay to put something down.
It's okay if you've gotten everythingyou needed out of something and
to kind of hop and move forward.
What I will share from my personalexperience is I've always kind of done
this my whole life as a manifestinggenerator, even starting in.
Okay.
I started in nutrition afterabout a year or two of doing that.

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I was like, I'm done.
I don't want to do this anymore.
Now I'm going to progress into this.
And okay, now I'm progressinginto, I want to work with youth.
Okay.
Now I need human design.
Okay.
Now I need energy healing.
So I've kind of done this and givenmyself permission, but there is that
part of me that kind of speaks uparound You should stick with this

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or I would have my generator dad.
Tell me Shannon, you wereso good at nutrition.
Why don't you just stick withthat build a career in it?
You're gifted.
There's don't quit.
And to me, there was a lot of,am I doing something wrong, but I
just don't want to do it anymore.
I'm not lit up.
And thankfully, I was able tokind of listen to that inner
voice and not force something.

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But I do feel there's probably a lot ofmanifesting generators who are forcing
themselves to stick with something thata long time ago stopped lighting them up.
So deconditioning and givingpermission to hop around.
Biggest thing is formanifesting generator.
Cause there can be in alignmentand out of alignment tendencies.
There can be a tendency for themanifesting generator to try

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to rush and move too quicklyand be a little too scattered.
So to your point, it helps to groundand to have maybe a projector or
reflector guiding them, helpingthem to manage their energy, helping
them to not bounce around too much.
But if it's done with mindfulnessand as an example for me, if it
looks like, okay, I had this podcastinterview and then I'm going to go

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on a walk with a friend and then I'mgoing to go cafe and do some work.
And then maybe I have my girls grouptonight that I'm coaching if it kind
of bounces in that fashion where,okay, when we look at the diversity of
today or the diversity of this week.
There's a few different thingsgoing on in a mindful way.
It actually energizes the manifestinggenerator, whereas other energy types

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might not feel as energized by thebouncing around a manifesting generator.
If it's done again in that mindfulaligned way, feels very energized by it.
Yeah.
It's funny because when you say thatwas that, Oh, there's a lot of energy,
but then you know, my type is like,
But it's interesting because when yousaid that, what you just shared is like,

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because of what I do, I just think ifyou don't, if you're not mindful and
not present with how you function,yeah, that could also be one of the
reasons why so many people have mentalhealth stuff going on because you feel
like, especially for like the manifestogenerator, if you're hopping from one

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to the other and you don't have thesupport and people might put on you that.
You're just fickle minded, andthat could be like the stress
or anxiety and stuff like that.
Yeah, or you can't commit, or you quittoo easily, or yeah, all sorts of things.
Um, I think with a lot of differentenergy types, even when we go into

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projector, a lot of projectorsfeel like they're too lazy.
Or what they'll do because theyhave inconsistent energy is they'll
push and force a lot of caffeine orthey'll overexert themselves, which
can lead to adrenal burnout, whichcan lead to mental health challenges.
So I think there's a lot.
That was a great point aroundunderstanding, oh, this is how I

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operate within this system thatcan help you tweak things to then
prevent emotional issues, mentalhealth challenges, health challenges.
Thank you.
That'll happen when we'redisconnecting from ourselves.
Yeah.
I love that.
Keep going.
Keep going.
Okay.

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So the only thing with manifestinggenerators that I'll share, and then
I'll go into manifestors and manifestorsgenerators can kind of listen to that
because they'll, they, they will relateto the manifestor to in different ways
is there is that manifestor component.
So what's really important for a man,gen, is that they feel a couple of things.
It's so important that manifest andgenerous feel the freedom to manage their

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own schedule, to manage their own energy.
So the best thing is, okay, you havethese tasks that you have to do today.
Get them done.
How are we going to get them done?
Any kind of micromanaging of a manifestinggenerator actually hinders their energy
and it kind of prevents them fromthat bopping around that multitasking,

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that kind of managing their own outputand energy and the way that they
need to also manifesting generators.
They need to feel that freedom to,Oh, I'm going to go work from the cafe
today, or, Ooh, I want to go over hereor, Ooh, I want to create this project.
So for example, for me being anentrepreneur, it works so wonderfully.
Because I can createwhat I want to create.
And so I have that freedom.

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I don't have to, I'm not havinglike a boss tell me this is what
you're working on this month.
I can look at what's energizing me.
What's exciting me.
What do I want to teach and share?
And I can create it myself.
So that's really helpful formanifesting generous, having that
kind of freedom and autonomy.
And then the other thing isinforming and communicating.

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And I just found this is It's sohelpful from an actual manifesting
perspective, manifesting generators.
Once you have that response and youknow, you want to do something or
create something, letting people know,informing, opening up to help, using
your voice to communicate to thosearound you, what you're about to do, the

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help you need, the steps you're taking.
It activates something inside the universeand helps all the pieces come together
to bring your manifestation to life.
So if manifesting generators are tryingto just be these little solo ships,
not communicating or informing, they'regoing to face a lot of resistance.
But the second you keep people in theloop, you let people know what's up.

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For me, if this happened, this lookslike letting people know when I'm
doing events, or letting people knowwhen maybe I'm a little stressed out
and I need some support, like actuallycommunicating, letting people know.
Everything becomes a lot more easy,easy for a manifesting generator
who can tend to want to be asuperhero and do it all themselves.

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So a little bit more aboutmanifesting generator.
Then we'll go into, we'll do manifestors,projectors, and then the reflectors.
So now moving into the, the types who,it's not that you don't have energy, but
you have that open sacral, so you wantto use your energy very differently.
Then the generators and manifestinggenerators who want to be busy
doing things they love all the time.

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The manifesters are next, and thebiggest thing for a manifester.
Similar to how I talked about witha manifesting generator, manifesters
want to control their lives.
And that's really important thata manifester gets to just do what
they want and have the freedom to,based on their own urges inside,
they kind of, they operate basedon these urges, these inner urges.

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You can think of it as this likeinner drive, this inner desire.
This inner urge to do something, to createsomething, to reach out, to go work that
job or pursue that relationship or trythis physical exercise out or work on
this, you know, figure out this healthand wellness tactic or get certified in
something, whatever it is, it's this urge.

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It's not a response.
It's just an urge in their body around.
I feel this urge that I need to travelnow, or I need to move to this place,
or I need to try out for this, orI need to update my resume and send
it out or whatever it happens to be.
It could be, I feel an urgeto go to the store right now.
And then at the store they meetsomeone who even knows it's all just

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based on their own kind of divinetiming with the universe and how
everything's working energetically.
But manifestors need to have thefreedom to follow their urges.
If they don't, they'regoing to get very angry.
And their energy can be very off puttingwhen they're angry, because they have
this very powerful activating energy.

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It can be very activating and can kindof rally people to support them, but it
can also be very kind of triggering, offputting, a little bit repelling to people.
If it is, then the manifestors hasto know, okay, that those people
are not for me right now, or they'renot gonna be, you know, who I
lean into at this point in time.

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So, And, or again, kind ofbacktracking myself here, manifestors
need to communicate and inform.
So if they feel like they're triggeringpeople or people are reacting to their
actions and then following their urges,doing with their own thing, it's either
those people aren't for me or I'm notinforming and I'm not communicating well.

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And so people are being triggeredby me, just doing my own thing and
not telling people what I'm doing.
So a classic example would be,I mean, have manifestor friends.
And they are just doing stuff withoutletting me know, and it's affecting me.
That's annoying.
It's really annoying to peoplewho are around manifestors.

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But the second they say, Hey, I justwant to let you know I'm going to
be doing my own thing this weekend.
I'm going to do X, Y, and Z.
Like, let's connect next week for a walk.
Then someone in their life cansay, Oh, okay, I know what's up.
I know they're doing their own thing.
And I don't feel as triggered by it.
Or, hey, just so you know, I'm gonna goout shopping right now and be out for
a few, you know, if it's like a partnersituation, I'm gonna run a few errands.

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I want to do X, Y, and Z.
I'll be back around four.
Okay, cool.
Now I know.
Or in like a work capacity, it's, hey, I'mgonna go work on this project for an hour.
That's what I'm gonna be doing.
I'll be back to checkin on you at that point.
Versus what manifestorstend to do is just go do it.
And they don't tell people theyjust want to do their own thing.
They don't want to be botheredand that ends up bothering people.

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So biggest thing for a manifester islearning the power of their voice.
Understanding that your energy is going tobe very non cyclical and random at times.
It's your, your own, you're kindof operating in your own energetic
pattern and wave where you'll getan urge or desire to do something.
You're meant to communicate, inform,let people know, not ask for permission,

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because you're meant to go do your ownthing and listen to those, but clue
people in, let them know, then go doit, you'll have the energy for it,
and then there will be a point when amanifester needs to engage a rest cycle,
and this is when they need to rest.
They can't force, they can't keepworking, they can't keep doing, they

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need a sweep, they need a rest, andthey need to wait for the next urge to
initiate them again into whatever's next.
So the thing with manifestors that canbe tricky is their urges could come
in these pulses like, okay, I havean urge to work out, okay, these four
days this week, or it could be, oh, Ihave this urge to work on this creative

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project for the next three weeks.
But then after it's complete,and after those three weeks.
They don't have energy.
And so now they need to trust.
I need to rest now until I get thenext urge to then go and create
something or work on something.
And this is why manifestors canhave challenges and things like

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corporate America or a typicaljob because their energy is
inconsistent in these different ways.
And they're really meantto do their own thing.
So manifestors are really good ifthey're leading their own projects.
If they're kind of the brains, they havethis urge, they have this idea and they
initiate it and then allow other peopleto kind of come in and do the work and

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they're more kind of overseeing it ordoing parts and pieces, but more the
initiator versus the consistent doer.
They also can be great in anentrepreneurial role where they can
kind of launch different things ordo different programs or whatnot, but
in a way that works for their energy.
And then again, the biggest thing withmanifestos that they want to be mindful

(43:26):
of is knowing they have freedom andautonomy around their lives, making sure
they're informing, communicating to thosearound them, and then trusting when they
need to rest, they need to kind of likesay, say no to obligations and chill.
And it could be a day.
It could be four days where theyliterally just need to chill.

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And I know metaphors like this,it could be upwards of a week.
If they don't listen, it could belonger, but it could be, Hey, for the
next two weeks, I'm in a rest cycle.
And I'm going to say no to a lotof things because I just need to
sleep a lot and rest a lot andmaybe do the day to day things.
But I, I'm not going to be in this, like,Project mode or this doing type of mode.
So manifestors need toreally listen to that.

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Otherwise they can experience a lot ofadrenal issues and burnout and also just
like forcing themselves through life.
Like I see manifestors when they'renot listening and they're so tired, but
then when they're listening, they'relike these powerhouses of energy and
they can work with their urges, but theyneed to rest when it's time to rest.

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I just want to land here when yousaid, about couples just now,
because I work with couples too.
, I think it would be so interestingif you know your partner's type,
because then that communication andencouraging each other to communicate
the way that you might need andhow, where they're coming from.

(44:55):
Wow.
That just opened a wholeworld of, Oh, okay.
They are doing that because.
That's who they are.
I mean, it doesn't excuse them, but itgives you a different insight to each
other, to your best friend, to people thatis in your circle as to how they function.
Yes.
100%.

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I mean, I, every guy Idate, I get his details.
Cause I, cause it's not even me beinglike, Oh, would this be compatible?
It's more me being, can Iunderstand this person a little
bit better and how they operate?
And then all my friends, familymembers, I like the other details,
all my clients, because it does, itgives you a little insight into, oh,

(45:37):
this is how this person operates.
And now it actually helps with,I'm not going to be as triggered
when they do X, Y, and Z.
I know this is just them.
Maybe, yeah, I can supportthem in this type of way.
We can work together now becausechances are you're, you're most
likely not going to be the sameenergy type as your partner.
You might be, I mean, bothmy parents are generators.

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It's funny, both my parents, bothmy sisters are generators and
I'm this manifesting generator,black sheep of the family.
But And a lot of my, um, familymembers are generators, but it
might, it might work out that way.
I know my sister married a generator.
Actually, both my sisters arein relation to generators too.
That's interesting.
They're all generators over there,but typically I find, oh, wow, they're

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a man gen and you're a manifesteror you're a manifesting generator.
You're a projector.
vastly different energies.
So just knowing how the differentones operate is, it's so, so helpful.
I love that you brought your sisterbecause as he was sharing, I was
like, I wonder whether like onetype will attract the other type.

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I know.
Well, you know, what's interesting is ina dating situation, I actually do tend
to date a lot of manifesting generatorsand it works really well for me because
It's this level of, oh, I get you.
I get how you operate.
We like to move.
We like to move quickly.
We have to have multiple things going on.
Typically, if you're aligned,a very good communicator.

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And so my longest relation, mytwo longest relationships, both of
them were manifesting generators.
One of the, I didn't knowtheir charts when I dated them,
but I went back and looked.
And I thought to myself, Oh,this makes a lot of sense.
The guy I dated most recentlywas a manifesting generator
that worked really well.
And who's to say my future partner,I don't mind whatever energy type
they have, but it is interestingto see there is this element of,

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Oh, I kind of get how you operate.
And so we can kind of colive together in this way.
But no matter what, what happens, youcan work, you can work on it, you know,
if they're such different energy types,it's okay, or if they're similar, there's
okay, but I do find it's kind of nicewhen there is a similarity there of like,
okay, cool, we can design a day date.
That's we both like to do abunch of different things.

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And we have the energy for it.
And I'm not going to.
Burn you out by being all crazy andwanting to do all the things like
you're going to be all about it.
So there is a niceness to it.
Yeah, I love that the in therapy talkin if you're working from an attachment
sense, oftentimes, and avoidant andanxious will attract each other.

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So I was just, yeah,this is so fascinating.
I'm going to stop talking now.
Well, I have heard that, but I've alsoheard too, yeah, even in dating, for
example, manifesting generators andprojectors tend to work well together.
And the manifesting generatorcan energize the projector.

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The projector can kind of helpground the manifesting generator.
So there are different things thatcan, yeah, you can kind of see
how people all work together andsimilar to the, the attachment stuff.
But I do tell people wheneverI do couples readings, cause we
will be like, Oh, is this bad?
I'm like, no, nothing is bad.
We can see how things can work togetherin different ways, or I can see,

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oh yeah, so you're the same, and sothat's what this means, or oh, you're
different, and that's what this means,so it's neither good nor bad, it's
just, this is what we're working with.
Okay, so I will go into projectorsnext, so I've done generators,
manifesting generators, manifestors,now projectors, and then reflectors.

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Projectors, again, areanother one without open.
Solar or open sacral center.
So open energy center projectorsalso have a more inconsistent way
that they use their energy, or itmight feel a little more inconsistent
than a generator or a mansion.
The biggest thing for a projectoris recognizing projectors tend to be

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better off in a position of guidance.
So offering insight, offering guidance,offering their perspective and or
working in a project or in a role.
Where they get to use.
their, their expertise, their mind,the way they see things, the way they
sense and see energy specificallyhelp bring things into alignment

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or bring things into efficiency.
So projectors can be any typeof career or job that they want
to be any type of relationship.
But they're going to feel more atpeace, more successful when they
feel like their perspective is beingvalued and they're kind of in an area.
They feel like they're an expert in.

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They can guide energy.
So it could be any typeof coach or therapist.
It could be a teacherkind of a teaching role.
It could be a chiropracticrole or a doctor role.
It could be a lawyer.
It could be a podcast host who'sjust focusing on hosting the
podcast and they're guiding theconversation and they're kind of

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working in energy in that way.
But again, it could be a number ofthings could be a painter or someone
like that who's really kind of using.
And, um, kind of managing the energyof the paint and things like that
nature, but energy is a very vagueterm, but projectors tend to see
energy, see patterns, see systems,see people in a very unique way.

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They have this bird's eye outsideperspective, and then they want
to come in and they want tohelp things become more aligned.
They want to help peoplewith their energy.
They want to help the system out.
They want to, they want efficiency, theywant alignment, they want productivity.
And they use their bird's eye view.
They use their perspective.
They use their expertise to do so.

(51:35):
So projectors work really well guidingother energy types, generators, and
manifesting generators at utilizingtheir energy more efficiently.
So again, that's where a coachor a consultant or somebody who's
overseeing a project, or Could say,Oh, I know this is energizing you.
I can feel that I can sensethat because my energy is open.
I can empath yours.

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You work there and oh, you'regoing to work best here and you two
collaborate really well together.
You do this.
So projectors again have this overseeing.
The brilliance to them that they get tolean into that they're meant to lean into
projectors also tend to like mastery.
So similar to the generator,they're not going to be as bouncy
as a manifesting generator.

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And if they try to be, it's goingto burn them out and, or they're
going to be relying on a lot ofcaffeine, a lot of outside motivation
to get them to live that way.
It's not aligned for them.
They like to do one thing at a time.
They like to be focused with the thing.
They're not designed to multitask.
And when it comes to their energy,they're meant to work in these focused,

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efficient sprints of output with alot of self care and rest in between.
So it would be, okay, I'm goingto see some patients right
now for the next four hours.
And in between that, I have a15 minute break to kind of chill
and relax in between each person.
And then I'm going to go take a lunch.
Maybe I'm going to go ona long walk or take a nap.

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Maybe then I'll go toyoga and then I'm done.
A projector is not meant to, again, tryto pack their days, fill their days.
If they're doing that.
And I see this with my projector friends,they're drinking a lot of caffeine.
They're pushing themselves.
They're trying to rely on otherstimulants or energy outside
themselves to keep themselves going.

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They're not meant to go, go, go, go, go.
They're meant to be very efficient,very mindful, get lots of sleep.
They're very sensitive.
So make sure they're taking really goodcare of their bodies, up the self care
and very much tune in and know whenenough is enough and when they need a
chill and not do and not force and notpush and not be quote unquote productive.

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Projectors, a big part of theirconditioning is around, they feel like
they're being valuable when they'rebeing productive, when they're keeping
up with others, they need to let thatgo and they need to let go of the
story that they're lazy if they'renot doing, or they're not valuable
if they're not doing, or that rest isunproductive and they need to see rest
as a very productive, um, abundant partof their lives if they want to thrive.

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The last thing I'll share about projectorsis, again, they're very good guides.
They're very good advice givers,but they need to be invited in.
What can happen is projectorswant to insert their opinion.
They want to tell people what's up.
They want to correct people.
They want to be like,you're doing this wrong.
You're doing that wrong.
That's incorrect because they see it all.

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But when they do it that way, it's veryoff putting and the advice isn't received.
So I'm sure you and therapy and I havebeen trained this way in coaching.
It's all about, are youopen to my perspective?
Do you want guidance?
Do you want advice?
Are you just dumping on me right now?
Are you open to the guidance I have?

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Are you open to what I have to share?
What is my role here?
Projectors want to be reallymindful of, is this person open?
Are they inviting me to givethem guidance and advice?
Or I was their energy close to me.
I didn't actually get an invitationand I would be inserting myself.
And then the advice is not going toland projectors need that recognition.

(55:18):
They need that openness.
They need that invitation to moveforward in any type of endeavor.
So being really mindfulthat there's openness, that
they're being seen in value.
They're being invited in beforeapproaching situations, before giving
guidance, before taking a step forward.
Can do them wonders.

(55:38):
It's so funny when you'retalking about that.
I was just like, I wonder ifmy mother was a projector.
Who didn't know she was one.
Because she would do that.
She would just insert it.
Because you could take it the wrong wayif the other person is not open to it.
Would you say this is truewhen you were talking about the

(55:58):
projectors in the beginning?
I was like, they sound likea project manager to me.
Yes.
Wonderful project managers.
Yeah, because they can see twoprojectors want efficiency.
They want things to be done efficiently.
They want to kind of leveragegifts and strengths and talents.
They see things so they canmanage things really well.

(56:20):
If also that's, if that's their passionand their, their strength, but it
could show up in a different waysto, you know, it could be a ballet
teacher who sees the whole entire.
You know, all of the students andthe dancers and helps design that.
So it can be that showing upin that project manager role in
different ways, but a manager roleor that overseer role, absolutely.

(56:47):
Yay!
Okay, I will go to our last one, whichis the reflectors, which is you, and
anyone else listening, potentially.
I have a few differentreflectors in my life.
Reflectors right now are the rarest type.
They're 1 percent of the population.
So very, very rare.

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So again, we look at like one in 100people are going to be a reflector.
And We come across hundreds and hundredsand hundreds of people in our lifetime,
but think about your close relationships.
What are there maybe 5, 10, 20, 30 peoplethat you actually keep connected to?
It's not that big.

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So it's more rare thatwe've run into reflectors.
In our life.
And although I'm sure everyone listeninghas run into reflectors before, but
if you're pulling charts, it's justrare that you see reflectors charts
or that you come across a reflector.
Biggest thing aboutreflectors is their openness.
And I remember talking to you all aboutthis in your human design reading,

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but a reflector is gifted with hugeamounts of empathy and openness.
So all of the centers in the chart areopen, which means that reflectors are
very much taking in the world around them.
They're taking in their environments.
They're taking in the people around them.
They're taking in the foodthey're eating in such a big way.

(58:12):
What's beautiful about this is reflectorsare equipped with this double layer of
protection, which means that you cankind of filter it in and out almost like
a windmill, but you still take it in.
And you, it's not like you absorbit and soak it up like a sponge.
It's more like windmilling comingthrough you, but you're taking it in

(58:33):
and you're understanding it so deeply.
And then what you do is you mirror itback and you might naturally do this.
I know you in your, in your role,your professional role, you do this.
So it could be, Oh, I just gravitatedto this professional role where, which
allows me to be a mirror for people.
It could be that your whole life, you'remirroring things back to other people,

(58:53):
or maybe you're not understanding.
Why do I feel this way aroundthis group of people and this
way around this group of people?
And I feel like there's a chameleonelement to me and there's only certain
people in my life where I really feellike I can be my true self around
where other people, I feel like I'mkind of adapting and, and changing.
And I feel so different day to day.
If a reflector doesn't have thatconsistency in their lives and their

(59:16):
upbringing, They can feel really lost.
So they need that consistency aroundthe same people, the same foods, the
same environments that make you feellike yourself to really connect to
what feels right and true for you.
But then there needs to also be an elementof detaching from one's identity and
being a little bit more from a level and aperspective of like oneness of I'm kind of

(59:41):
everything and nothing at the same time.
I'm connected to all thingsthat reflectors want to master.
But ultimately, Reflector is againhere to help us progress forward,
help us understand what is healthyfor us, what is not healthy for
us, what is working, what is notworking, how do we function as optimal

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communities, optimal in our society,optimal well being as our individuals.
So when it comes to kind of thatword, well being is big for Reflector
because Reflector is going to help.
The well being of a community, thewell being of a business, the well
being of individuals, the wellbeing of animals when plopped into a

(01:00:25):
similar, a particular role or position.
Biggest thing for reflectors are,okay, you're hugely empathic.
So when you go into a coffeeshop, you're going to feel all
the vibes of that coffee shop.
And you're going to feel.
Is this environment for me or not?
When you go to, even if you're pickingout, say someone's listening and

(01:00:45):
they're deciding a college to go to,when you go, when you step into that
campus and you're in that college,is this environment for me or not?
How do I feel?
Do I feel healthy?
Do I feel well?
Are these the types of people I wantto surround myself with knowing that
there's that hypersensitivity can helpyou guide your decision making same
thing with foods you're taking in?

(01:01:06):
How is this helping me feelthoughts are taking in.
Is this productive thoughts,energy, really being mindful
of anything I'm taking in.
What's going to lead me to optimalwellbeing and being very open, being very
curious and making decisions based on Ifeel healthy and well, maybe grounded,
maybe myself in these environments.

(01:01:27):
I'm going to tend to go to theseenvironments or I'm going to shop at
this, you know, grocery store, and I'mgoing to go to this movie theater and
I'm going to go to these restaurants and.
I'm going to go to these naturespots because I know the energy is
the energy that's healthiest for me.
And then reflectors can also shareso much wisdom that they're receiving
around the well being, the health andwellness of different environments.

(01:01:50):
So for example, I remember when I firstI don't remember I shared the story
with you, but I have a good friend ofmine, Quinn, who's a reflector and we
first got together for a coffee or atea or something or coffee tea one day.
And I remember we sat inthis, it was this really cool.
Uh, it was kind of a coffee shopand there was different, one of

(01:02:10):
those buildings you walk into andthere's a bunch of different, um,
I guess, What are they called?
Rooms for offices that you canrent out and different, um, cafes.
And it's kind of all together, but it'slike big and open, but it's all there.
So we walked up to the cafe andthen we went into this room and
that room had tons of mirrors.

(01:02:31):
And there was like mirrors everywhere andit was kind of a little stuffy when I paid
more attention and she sat in there andshe goes, Shannon, do you mind if we move?
Because the energy is so offin this place with all the
mirrors reflecting all around.
She was like, I can't be here.
And so right away I said, absolutely.
Of course.
I totally understand.
Then we moved to another coucharea, much more open air.

(01:02:52):
And she goes, okay, Ifeel a lot better here.
And that's a classic.
And this was before I knew shewas a reflector, but I also
have just an understanding ofbeing sensitive to environments.
I was like, that's totally fine.
I get it.
If like the energy of themirrors is weirding you out.
But it's because she's so sensitive to it.
And there was probably something aroundthe mirrors and the energy that was
just too much and maybe a little bit notlike cleansed and things in that space

(01:03:14):
and things were kind of stuck there.
So then when we moved, she wasable to relax and be herself and
actually enjoy the conversation.
So that's really important forreflectors is my environment around
me, the people I'm spending time with,is it adding to my wellbeing or is
it and then making sure that you'rein a role where You can be guiding

(01:03:36):
other people around their wellbeing.
You can be sharing all these thingsthat you're picking up, the knowledge,
the intuition, all of these things.
And then for you, natureis really important.
Getting into nature, letting go ofenergy, you picked up taking long showers
or baths, doing different cleansingpractices, and then giving yourself

(01:03:58):
time and space to make your decisions.
So kind of following that lunarcycle, feeling into things over time.
And whenever your timing isright, that's when you decide
to move forward with something.
It's not based on societal time clock orany, you have a pressure outside of you
or someone saying you should do something.
It's coming from within you andthe timing feels right and you feel

(01:04:23):
settled inside around that decision.
So that's more about reflector.
Thanks for sharing the story with Quinnbecause And one of the things I shared
with you, after the reading, it was soaffirming for me, some of the things
that I felt, and,, and the story withQuinn is, I do that with places, like,

(01:04:44):
I'm always willing to try a place once,or a class, a gym, whatever it is.
And if, but if it doesn'tfeel good, I don't go back.
And when I was younger, before I reallyworked on my intuition and stuff, I
always thought I was being over picky.
Yeah.

(01:05:05):
But now I was like, Oh yeah.
Like even living in our cities, thereare some streets I would rather not
walk down because just the body feelingthe somatic feeling is like, no.
Yeah.
I have a few questions.

(01:05:28):
In your work, and maybe in yourresearch, have you heard about
whether in some countries, There aremore of an energy types than other.
Oh, so I have, I have no idea, actually.
I like that question and it'sinteresting to think about that,

(01:05:48):
but I actually have no idea.
Yeah.
Cause I wonder in a more religiouscountry, like India, for example,
whether there would be more,yeah, it's just came to me.
Projectors maybe.
Yeah.
I know it's actually,it's very interesting.
It's so interesting.
I really have no idea how, becauseI, cause I feel in what I've been

(01:06:12):
taught is that your soul chooses.
So it's you as a soul choosing,this is the energy type that
I want to be in this lifetime.
Similar to astrology.
It's okay.
I'm choosing to come into thisworld at this point in time and get
this, this energy encoded onto me.
So I, I wonder, and I'm, I'm reallyfascinated by why people choose

(01:06:34):
different energy types and it allis fascinating, but I actually
have no solid answer to that one.
All good.
I'm , I'm just simply curious.
Is it possible forsomebody to change types?
No, no.
That's what I thought.

(01:06:55):
Yeah.
And even the thing is, because I'vehad this question within myself,
I've thought, what if, what if.
This is incorrect and I'm actually aprojector and over here, I'm thinking
I'm this manifesting generator andI'm living in this way, but really
I'm actually a projector, but thenI would like, I've had, you know,
these different conversations withmyself, but then I'll think and I'll

(01:07:17):
be like, no, but if, if someone gaveme the information for the projector.
I would say that doesn't feel right to me.
I don't feel like I need that much rest.
I don't feel like none ofthis actually feels like me.
And I feel like I would be doing,I just, it wouldn't feel right to
follow those gut, that guidance.
So I found, but when I follow the guidesof the manifesting generator, I feel

(01:07:41):
so myself and I feel so energized.
And.
So it's very interesting, buttypically, I mean, um, not typically
you, you are the energy type youhave in your, at your whole life.
And I mean, we can work with like Dr.
Dodo spends and try to changeit and whatnot, but it's pretty
much your, your energy type.

(01:08:10):
I would love if you would share yourrecovery, your process with eating
disorder, because a lot of peoplethat I know have struggled with it.
Yeah.
Anything that comes to you thatyou think would be important
to share for us to know about?
And your journey.

(01:08:33):
Yeah, absolutely.
Thank you for asking this andgiving me the space because it is,
it's such a fascinating journeyto go through and to recover from.
And there was, there was apoint when I thought I was
going to struggle my whole life.
I remember maybe two or three years in andjust not seeing this ever getting better.

(01:08:55):
I was like, no, there's no waythat I could get better from this.
This is just going to besomething that I battle with.
I remember always thinking about food.
It was always on my mind.
I was always going throughwhat did I eat today?
How much more can I eat today?
I was feeling so guilty when I ate certainfoods, I'd made me make myself throw up.
I was just so.

(01:09:15):
In it.
And there was so much inmy mind consumed around it.
And I will say that a big part of myhealing happened when I actually moved
away from home because home for a whilewas the source of a lot of my food and
body image challenges, just based on myupbringing, based on what I witnessed
with my mom, also my sister soaked it up.

(01:09:36):
And so me actually first things first.
Getting out of that environment and beingon my own and deciding for myself what
I wanted for my life and for my own wellbeing and my own just relationship with
food and body image was really important.
It was probably towards the end ofcollege and after college when I really

(01:09:58):
started to feel like I was, you know,Getting on the other end of it and
healing, but it did again, come from,I need space away from my upbringing
that really fueled a lot of this.
And a lot of the thoughts around bodyimage, a lot of the obsession around
my weight, a lot of the feeling asthough, and belief that women are
better when they're thinner and weneed to control things and all of it.

(01:10:20):
So, I mean, we could gointo so much depth around.
Eating disorders and whatcreates them and causes them.
I, I don't believe there's one thing.
I think that they're really multifacetedlike anything, but we can look at
the individual and go deep into,okay, what did you learn growing up?
What did you soak up?
What, what is this eating disorder?
What is it giving you right now?

(01:10:41):
How's it serving you?
So for me, it gave me a lot of control.
I really, I'm somebody who it'seven my human design chart.
Like I'm meant to have controland autonomy around things, but
I was using in an unhealthy way.
And that control also was helping me feelsafe in my life and grounded in my life.
And like, okay, there's otherthings around me I can't control.
So let me control this becauseI can't control the fact that my

(01:11:05):
parents are fighting all the time.
I can't control the fact that This guythat I had, you know, was in love with
just decided to just abandoned me.
Like I can't control thesethings, but I can control this.
So we have to see, okay, whatis it actually giving you?
Or I can control my weight and Ican make sure that I'm thin and that
thinness gives me validation from boys.

(01:11:27):
It makes me feel more worthy as a person.
So right, we can go into thelayers of it, but fast forward
to how did I actually even heal?
And what can I share is I got away from.
That environment and I got intohealthier environments and then I got
to the place where I, I decided, andI think this is a really important

(01:11:48):
part of the journey for anyone.
I decided that I was done and thatI wanted to heal because for a while
I didn't really want to heal ormaybe I kind of wanted to heal, but
I still want to stay super thin.
And so it was like, I didn't,I wasn't fully there of wanting
to let go of these patterns.
Because I just wasn't ready.
And so I got to a point of readinessin my early twenties where I

(01:12:11):
thought, okay, I'm actually ready.
This is exhausting.
And I don't want to have tostruggle with this my whole life.
It's starting to ruin relationships ofmine or negatively impact relationships
of mine with my partner at the time.
He was always commenting back to methings like, You're obsessive over this.
You're always in your head.
You're really mean to yourself.

(01:12:32):
There's nothing wrong with your body.
And, you know, causehe could see all of it.
And then I just realized too, life isn'tfun when you're obsessing around food.
And when you're telling yourselfthat, you know, there are certain
food rules that you have to followand you're feeling so much guilt and
shame and you can't just be free.
I was, I wasn't free at all whenit came to food, because I was so.

(01:12:54):
Controlling and hyper focused onit and I was controlling around
exercise and what I was eating.
And if I ate something thatwas quote unquote bad, then
I would feel bad and guilty.
And so there was no joyand freedom in that.
And I wanted there to be joy and freedom.
So again, I got out of theenvironment that was more.
Unhealthy for me at the time.
And then I made the decision,okay, I'm going to figure this out.

(01:13:14):
And I didn't know how that's athing is the how comes later.
It did not know how all I knewwas I want to get over this.
I don't want to be obsessedaround food anymore.
I want to love my body and I wantfreedom on the other end of this.
So then I did work with a mentor whohelped me and she was like the first step.
And for me, what was sohelpful were two main things.

(01:13:37):
And then things, you know, continueto unravel, but two main things
were one, understanding the wholeconcept of an inner child and
self mothering and self healing.
And then the second was learninghow to process my emotions.
So like I shared earlier,I'm, I'm so sensitive.
I come across as like capable and toughand funny and light and all these things.

(01:14:00):
And I am those two, but I'mreally, really sensitive.
And anyone who gets to know me willknow I got my feelings hurt easy and
little things impact me and tonesthat people talk and impact me.
And I cry a few times amonth, like big, big cries.
And if I watch sad movies,I get really impacted.
I just have a layer of sensitivity andunderstanding that and knowing, okay,

(01:14:22):
when I'm sad, I can feel sad, or if I'mfeeling jealous, I can process that.
Or if I'm in a moment of comparison,rather than letting it spiral, my
food decisions, I can actually justfeel through what I'm feeling, come
back to a level of neutrality andthen eat normally versus maybe if I

(01:14:42):
was in that situation in the past.
I would have then not eaten or somethinglike that because I was comparing
my body to someone else's body.
And I was like, Oh, wellnow I need to be thinner.
So I'm gonna let thisfeeling then fuel my choices.
But now I know how to feel.
So the sadness, the anger, anything thatalso really helped me from a level of,
I was in the past, I would anxious eat.

(01:15:03):
So when I felt really anxious andfelt like I needed to ground myself,
I would just eat because I wasso anxious or if I was, I was, I
would experience social anxiety, soI'd eat more in social situations
and then I would go throw it up.
And so knowing how to manage myselfin those situations where when I feel
anxiousness, I don't turn to food now Ican ground myself was also very helpful.

(01:15:24):
Or if I was sad and I was emotionallyeating in that way, and then I would
again, either throw it up or I'd feelguilty and shamed for it, knowing how
to not emotionally eat as much anymore.
And nowadays, if I emotionally eat,it's not a, it's not a big deal.
It's just like, okay, we did that.
That doesn't feel good.
We're going to forgiveourselves and move forward.
But several years ago, it was a big deal.
And I didn't know how toactually just feel the sadness.

(01:15:47):
So understanding again, fundamentally howto feel, how to get comfortable feeling
and not turn to food and any type ofunhealthy ways around emotions was huge.
But then even more so, I would saywould be understanding my inner child.
And learning how to be compassionatewith myself and love myself and with

(01:16:10):
that work a big component of that wasand I'm still doing this because a lot
for me, the food stuff was a lot ofvery, very connected to body image.
So for me, the food stuffstarted to settle and it
settles more and more and more.
The more I work on body image.
So really understanding how to love mybody, how to eat intuitively, how to

(01:16:33):
nourish my body, how to not live thewhole, I guess, societal belief and norm
that thinner is better, that I need toweigh myself and lose weight leading up
to the summer and change things about mybody and really learning how to say no
to all of that and unravel all of thathelped my relationship with food so much.

(01:16:56):
And it continues to.
So I would say anytime Ifeel like the food stuff.
Is a concern, which it's reallynot anymore, but anytime I feel a
lingering thing, or maybe I feel thislevel of like, Oh, should I eat less?
Or should I, you know,change things at all?
Should I do some type of likeno sugar for 30 days or any, you
know, I feel some type of that.

(01:17:17):
I also have very strong boundarieswith, for example, like a friend of mine
approached me about like a fitness or a.
A nutrition challenge.
The gym was doing.
And for me, that's a no, likeI will never do that because
I know my past and my history.
And that could be a huge trigger for me.
I'm good at controlling food.
I'm good at followinga nutrition challenge.

(01:17:39):
I'm, I'm good at that.
That is what ultimatelyfueled my eating disorder.
So if I were to go back and put myselfin that position, it would just be a
huge unnecessary trigger and probablyput me back to teenage Shannon.
So I just know what to say no to,and also what types of people to not
connect with as much or, you know, dietculture is not something I tune into.

(01:18:01):
So I know what to kind ofeliminate from my life.
But then furthermore, I would sayreally learning how to love my body
and appreciate my body and be okaywith bad body image days, or just value
myself over the appearance of my body.
That's been the biggest thingwhen it comes to like the
longterm healing of everything.

(01:18:23):
So I would say definitely.
And let me know if there's followup questions, but the whole.
Getting out of the environment, choosing,deciding, then going into emotions and
feeling and learning how to have a healthyrelationship with emotions, my inner
child, learning how to re parent, selfmother, self soothe, be compassionate
towards myself, going into releasingthose, you know, thoughts and beliefs

(01:18:46):
that a woman's value is her body andher weight and going into healing of the
body image has all really helped me tosay that I'm never, I would never worry
about having an eating disorder again.
And I feel fully healed from it.
And I feel proud at this point thatit's part of my story and journey,
but it doesn't mean that I'm void ofbad body image days, or I feel fully

(01:19:07):
confident in my body every single day.
I don't, but I have such a betterrelationship with that than I did
several years ago when it was justsuch a day to day challenge, like bad
body image days were like every dayI was so hyper focused on it, whereas
I can detach a lot better nowadays.
Thanks for sharing that with us.

(01:19:28):
I'm a big, big proponent of doingyour inner child healing work.
You know, I actually did an episode onit two episodes ago, because I always
tell my clients that something youneed to look at to reparent yourself.
And I'm also a bigproponent of community.
You didn't do it alone.
You had people to help you.

(01:19:50):
Yes.
Yeah.
I'm glad you said that becauseanother thing, and nowadays I'm
so open and I'm so transparent.
And so if there ever is somethingthat would come up, well, one, my
parents, even though, you know, Ishare a little tiny bits, you know,
my mom, Was a contributor to it.

(01:20:11):
They're still so supportiveand they knew the whole time.
I was struggling in high school.
I would have to go to children's hospital.
I saw a therapist.
So I, I saw, yeah, therapists and coaches.
I was very open with my family,my, my immediate family, meaning
like my parents and my sisteraround my struggle, my friends.
Any, anyone I get into a relationshipwith, it's a big conversation.

(01:20:34):
It's a topic of a conversation.
It's an important thing for me to knowhow is this person's relationship with
their body image and food because theyneed to be in a healthy place with it
or have this long term vision of wantingto be in a healthy place with it.
Because I want to raise kids withthis person in the future and how
we're going to raise our kids.
And when it comes to food and body imageand just our day to day conversation,

(01:20:55):
I want it to be a healthy one.
So I definitely am very open.
I lean on people.
I tell them if I need support,I work with professionals.
And then it's something that isjust a value of mine, like a healthy
relationship with food and bodyimage is now such a value of mine,
kind of fueling my life forward.
Yeah.
And I love that you share thatyou set healthy boundaries.

(01:21:17):
Which is so important.
I mean, even something assimple, not simple as on social
media, who do you follow?
That is so important, right?
If you could have a meal or tea,coffee with two or three people,

(01:21:41):
dead or alive, who would they be?
Ooh.
Okay.
So it, okay.
Interestingly enough, dead or alive.
I, okay.
I'll share two people andit wouldn't be together.
These would be separate,separate, separate conversations.
But one is actually justmore connected to me.
I never met my grandpa on mydad's side or my mom's side.

(01:22:05):
So he died before I was bornand I just never met him.
And there's a part of me just beingcurious, wanting to have a connection with
all my family members, Who would be verygenuinely curious to just meet this man.
Because I hear stories and things, butmy mom doesn't talk about him a lot
because he died when she was very young.

(01:22:27):
And I think there's stilla lot of grief around that.
And you know, I can ask differentthings, but there's just not a lot I
know about him and he's my grandpa.
So I, I would just love to actuallymeet him and have an afternoon with him.
And that would go intolike a lot of my ancestors.
I'd be so curious to meet.
And get to know them.
And I didn't share this, but on my, mydad's side, uh, we're very, um, Irish.

(01:22:53):
So from Ireland, kind of Irish Catholic.
And then my mom's sideis Germany and Russia.
And there's, there's someCatholicism, but more like Judaism.
And I would just be sofascinated to meet those people.
You know, if you go like two, three,four down the line and just connect
to some of those ancestors and getto know them, and what were they
passionate about, what were theirpersonalities like, what were their jobs.

(01:23:16):
I would just love to like tangiblyconnect to those people and ask questions
and get to know them and see are thereany parts of myself I see in them.
And then this is just funnybecause everyone knows I love her.
I really am a huge fan of Alicia Keys.
I just think she's a phenomenal person.
And I think I'm, I very much value therelationships she's in, how she parents

(01:23:38):
her two sons, or I think she has threekids, but two, um, biological kids.
But then she also has awhole natural skincare line.
She has studied a lot around meditation.
She's a fascinating story abouthow she pretty much started her
career at like 17 years old.
And I just think she's aphenomenal, very grounded person
that I think would be amazing to.

(01:24:01):
Have a, have a tea with her and thenchat about her day to day and her
thought process and she's very pronot wearing makeup and she's very body
positive and, you know, she has thewhole natural skincare there's a lot of
like values that align and I just thinkshe is a very regal person that I think
would be wonderful to connect with.

(01:24:21):
Excellent choices.
Last question for the podcast.
Any advice.
It can be related to human design or Iknow you work with girls and young women.
Ooh,
What comes to mind,

(01:24:44):
I mean, there's twothings that come to mind.
One is make sure that every singleday you're connecting with you in
whatever way that's going to be.
We live, All crazy, busy, full lives.
There's priorities.
There's to do lists.
There's all the things.
You could be a parent.
You could have so much on your plate.

(01:25:04):
But five minutes, 10minutes a day or more.
If you have an hour, if you have longer,you have longer, but have five minutes
or have 10 minutes or have an hourwhere you're just with you connecting.
And it could be journaling.
It could be meditation.
It could be sitting out innature, drinking some tea.
It could be you sit in bedafter the evening and you just
reflect and you sit there withyourself and you do some praying.

(01:25:28):
But I think that just deep connectionwith your spirit and your soul and
kind of tuning in every single day.
If not a few times a day is soimportant and it's so healing.
I think a lot of times mentalhealth challenges form because we're
disconnected from our own spirit.
And so if you can have some type ofpractice that brings you back to that, and
then that could even spiral into anythingcreative, you know, listening to music.

(01:25:52):
Yeah.
Doing music, doing our cooking,anything that kind of fuels your
spirit, do that too, but also connect.
And then the next thing is thatI, I just so believe that it's
not about what you do in life.
It's about who you do it with.
It's, you know, the quality ofyour life is the people in your
life and your relationships.
So prioritize them.

(01:26:12):
And I always tell people to go first.
So send the happy birthday messagesfirst, ask someone to hang out first.
Reach out to schedule a walkor a zoom call or a phone call.
Catch up, be the one who goes firstand initiates that closeness inside
your relationships and prioritizesthat because those people and going

(01:26:35):
through life together and supportingeach other and the highs and the lows
is what's going to fulfill you the most.
So just prioritize that and go firstin those places and really, you know,
plant those seeds and water them wouldbe something I would share with everyone.
Oh, I love that.
Be the one that goes first.
Yeah.

(01:26:56):
Thank you so much, Shannon, forsharing your wisdom with us.
Oh my gosh, thank you for having me on.
I'm so grateful we're connected now.
Me too.
Thank you.
You're welcome.
I hope you enjoy the episode.
With all these tools.

(01:27:17):
I look at them as valuable tool,to learn more about yourself.
How I approach astrologyand human design, is that.
I.
I look at it as.
They.
They give me more tools.
Tools.

(01:27:38):
And explanation.
. As to.
Who I am.
And.
why I am the.
The way I am.
So.
This week's advice from yiyi your.
Chinese auntie.
Is.
That it is okay.
To explore different things.
to learn more about yourself.

(01:27:58):
And use the knowledge,the new information.
To help you understandmore about yourself.
But be aware that youdon't fall into the trap.
Of being obsessive.
About these new information.

(01:28:22):
Oftentimes when.
We are at a point in ourlives where things are.
not going well.
The relationship isn't going well.
or you're not happy in your job.
As humans, a lot of us will start seeking.
We will seek out teachers.

(01:28:44):
We will seek out knowledge.
We will read.
Spiritual books.
And.
Those are okay.
It's okay to do because it's good to have.
People that we can learn from.
But remember ultimately.

(01:29:05):
It comes from you.
Take what you.
need from the books from theteachers from different modalities.
And use it.
to.
Learn more about yourself, yourstrengths, your skills, your personality.
Your intuition.

(01:29:27):
And use them to help you.
To make decision.
To understand.
Your emotional.
patterns.
Have a great week.
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