March 19, 2025 • 40 mins
In this episode of the What Sold Podcast Brandon and Rusty (substituting for Matt) delve into the significance of taking time off to rejuvenate oneself. They discuss Matt's recent break due to surgery and how it led him to rediscover his passion for music and creativity. The conversation highlights the challenges and importance of setting boundaries between work and personal life, especially for small business owners and full-time resellers. They also touch upon misconceptions about quick success through reselling and content creation. The episode underscores the value of planning, taking breaks, and maintaining a balanced approach to work and life.
00:00 Introduction and Guest Announcement
00:55 YouTube and Audience Engagement
01:55 Content Creation Challenges
03:06 Balancing Work and Personal Life
06:28 Expanding the Business
11:27 Upcoming Live Broadcast
12:14 Taking a Break and Personal Hobbies
19:59 Balancing Work and Free Time
20:56 The Importance of Taking Breaks
21:56 Reevaluating Work and Personal Life
23:51 The Reality of YouTube Success
26:49 Building Genuine Relationships in Business
29:45 The Value of Community and Support
36:27 Concluding Thoughts and Future Plans
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(00:37):
Welcome to the what's old podcast.
I am Brandon with my friend Matt today.
Actually, Matt couldn't be here.
So we decided to bring on hiscousin, his cousin, Rusty.
Yes.
People have been clamoring for, weconstantly get these messages where people
are, remember Mary, she's like, I hadno idea that you were not cousin Rusty.
So we had a question on the oneon the YouTube channel which is.
(01:00):
Which both you and I are like,it's funny because we just upload
the podcast on YouTube, right?
Pretty much unedited and it's amazinghow many more people find it through
that YouTube is such a powerful Channel,but oh man, so many users So many users
and so many people that are looking forinformation and we get way more comments
(01:20):
on YouTube than anywhere else Butsomebody said hey Whatever happened to
cousin or whatever happened to peaches?
Yeah, and I said no peaches is aliveand well, he just lives 1, 500 miles
away from where Matt is so it's hard.
I technically he's alive.
He's suspended in a vat of he's got someelectrodes it's keeping his heart pumping,
but and his beard's still growing.
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It's all the way down to his kneesnow, which is nice, but no he's alive.
He he is not a full timereseller in real life.
He is a part time reseller.
And the main reason he's not beena part of videos recently is that.
There have been no videosin the last three months.
I've been super neglectfulof creating videos and it was
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a, it was shame on you, Matt.
I know, I know.
Shame on you.
Listen, this is not an excuse.
Maybe this is an excuse.
This is a reason, it was hit Thanksgiving.
Busy with family.
Then, you've got tying up stuff with thekids, end of school year, you got, in
this month of December, in my personallife, my daughter's birthday, my wife's
birthday, our anniversary, Christmas, NewYear's, I mean they all hit in sequence.
(02:27):
Trips to Mexico City.
We went to Mexico City,I got food poisoning.
Then my daughter comes home with flu.
I had the flu for 11 days.
Then I got a hernia and Ihad to have hernia surgery.
And so here I am.
Wait, and then you'remissing a big one, Matt.
What's the big one?
A hurricane hit us and shut us down.
Oh yeah, of course it was.
That was prior to November.
Yeah.
So that was October.
That was September 27th.
(02:47):
Right.
So basically from September 27th.
Now I did do some videos totry to get the word out to the
world about what we encountered.
And it's interesting that youmentioned the hurricane because
we're going to come back around to.
That topic later in the show.
You don't know why yet, but we willbut all that to say, I've been bad.
And for anyone who has evercreated content, podcasting or
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YouTube videos and things, it is arhythm that you have to get into.
And once you get back into it,it is like riding a bike, but.
If you get out of that rhythm, it isdifficult to get back in it, especially
when you have lots of other work.
Like I make my money.
I make a living from what I buy and sell.
That's how I make my living.
I don't make my livingfrom the content I create.
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It's fun to do it.
I'm glad to give that information out.
It was the impetus for us creating thispodcast and all of that, but it takes
time and I have to come up not only withthe idea of it, but I have to record it.
I edit it.
I have to get it out at a certain time.
And so all that to say, everyone'ssaying, just shut up and make a video.
All right, I'm going to, I promiseyou, I'm going to make some more videos
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soon and I will get peaches out of theback, have them put down the dust pan
and the broom and get out there, get
out of here, get out of here.
So thank you for those whoare interested in seeing more.
There is more to come.
I've just been, listen, I'm a.I'm a fallible person, there's
a little bit to that too.
And again, for troll seven thirty four,who's now mad that we're not talking
(04:19):
about how to make their life easier.
There's kind of two ways to doa lot of this content creation.
And there's a million, there's aquadrillion people out there, by
the way, there are 750 million.
That's not an exaggeration.
It's not like there are millions of them.
There literally are millions of podcasts.
So finding.
An audience with a podcast is a challenge.
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And so there's really two ways to do it.
There's the way we did it,which is hang a shingle out.
You had a presence.
People knew you and found the show.
But then there's the, youhave a backing behind you.
You're on iHeartMedia or you're a famousmusician or you're already famous.
You were quasi because you had afollowing, but it's not the same as,
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so basically the point being is thatwe've bootstrapped this whole thing.
This has been us working on this withthe idea of wanting to create, to do
something fun, to create somethingcool, which I think that we're doing.
But.
Creating content takes time.
Every one of these shows thatwe do takes in the neighborhood
of between four and eight hours.
And that's not an exaggeration.
(05:21):
Now you guys are like,what you do idiot stuff.
It's just a lot that goes into it.
And that does not include all thetime that Matt spends out on the road.
Do what he's doing.
My job is to remove.
As much of that stuff fromMatt as possible, because the
show is about helping people.
That's what we want.
That's what we hope.
I've been thinking about that.
I, yeah, I've interruptedmyself there because I, a couple
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of people said, Hey, thanks.
It's nice to hear fromother small business owners.
That's what we're doing.
It is about being an aftermarket merchant.
We're ramping up.
We like, we want to do more of that.
Yeah.
We want to get people who are involved inthe buying and selling world, but also.
Just any I feel like there are so manybusiness people, professionals out there
in a variety of categories or realms outthere that have useful information for you
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and pat yourself on the back listeners.
Cause you were some of the first, wehope to be doing this for a while.
Who knows if we'll ever expandthat much, but we've been doing
it for about a year now, right?
Just a little over a year.
And that's, it sounds like alot of time, but also it's not.
Right.
We've got a lot more, I think, to bring.
And you named it.
We have had a lot ofthings go on in that year.
Correct.
So it's been a packed, a jampacked year full of stuff.
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And so we're trying to bring morecontent that is not just about
buying and selling on eBay, but it's.
Matt and I have talked a lot aboutexpanding the empire a little bit, because
one of the problems that Matt has runinto, and Matt talked about it in, in
detail, about being limited to eBay, thatif eBay decides to do something to you, i.
(06:49):
e.
they can do it.
They're a massive organization.
You were at their beck and call.
Right.
And we don't have to pick oneBay necessarily, but it's true.
The premise is that it's true ofany platform that you're utilizing,
but you don't have control over.
So you are you're underneath theirpolicies or their whims, right?
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They don't have to be accurate with their.
Decisions, or if they thinkyou've done something wrong,
they don't have to be right.
It doesn't matter becausethey govern themselves.
Right.
The reason I've used that platform isbecause it has such a large user base.
And I know it will bedifficult and it will be.
A trend.
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It'll be a transitional periodif I move away from that.
And I didn't mean to cut you off,but that is, it doesn't have to be
them, but this is for anybody who'sout there using Etsy or you're using,
any of these different platforms.
Likely if you've used them longenough, you likely have encountered
some things for like, huh, I don't,I wouldn't have done it that way.
Or that didn't help me.
Right.
And you have, you're not thepurveyor of your destiny here.
(07:53):
You're putting that in someone else'shands and you're paying them as well.
Well, there's an interesting part ofthat as a small business owner, I think
everybody needs to take this into account.
What happens a lot of timesis not under your control.
So if we started doing, we were going toupload a lot of these things to Facebook
and Facebook in their algorithm and thebot shut us down, they said, you guys
(08:15):
are not, and we're like, wait, what?
And we can't call anybody.
We can't say, oh, but we're justshowing items that we've sold.
We're not trying to do anything shady.
There's no way to that.
We're absolutely.
Under the control of Facebookor YouTube or whatever.
So if YouTube tomorrow decidedthey weren't going to show any free
videos, that would be the end of it.
(08:36):
So it's the same thing.
If you're a supplier, let's say thatyou go to, as a reseller, you go to
like three different vintage shopsor stores or, secondhand stores
or whatever, and then two of themshut down because of a hurricane.
You have no control over that.
Now you're not able to get thosegoods anymore, and it just changes
everything, and that could be,if you are selling anything, your
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supplier could shut you down tomorrow.
Yeah, and you didn't, that wasn't just amade up story, you're describing my life,
because that exact thing has happenedto me, and I've had to make adjustments.
For better for worse, because, if I don'tmake adjustments, then my only other
option is to find a completely differentfield, a completely different job.
But if I want to keep doing this andthat sort of forced my hand, but I
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think even in the absence of a dramaticevent like that, that we don't have
control over, we should always beworking to try to make our business
better, find out ways to advance and or.
It doesn't have to be, drivenby, oh, I just got to make
more and that kind of thing.
It could just be, how can I dowhat I'm doing more efficient
and make life easier for myself.
(09:39):
Everyone wants to makemore and work less, right?
Yeah, well.
If there's a way that you can be moreefficient so that more earnings come
in and it doesn't require any morework, it just, you just have to put
some thought behind it and there's someplanning there and some adjustment.
And I, I still have to do that.
I, in my own business, I, there areweak spots, there are some cracks
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in the facade, that I need to patch.
Oh yeah, for sure.
Like I, I, the biggest one right now is.
Is expanding storage space.
I have a little bit of a spaceproblem and, back before the
hurricane, I might think I'll justgo find a storage building now.
It's a, so sure I can trustbeing in another area.
The other thing is just, I'mgetting such volumes of things.
It's becoming more of achallenge to locate and fulfill
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things in a timely manner.
I still can find it.
But it's not like I got three tubsand everything's in three tubs.
No, I've got, several differentracks of tubs and different
places where the items could be.
And if somebody buys 10 items andthere's a different alphanumeric code
in every one of those titles, thatmeans those items are going to be
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spread out in 10 different places.
So it doesn't take me 30 secondsor, a minute to fulfill that order.
It might take me 15 minutesto fulfill that order.
Based on the volume of things that I have.
I worked for an electrical wholesaleryears and years ago in a training problem,
right at program, right out of college,we had this massive warehouse that was
completely automated and there was, we'reconstantly trying to find stuff that
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you're like, wait, it's supposed to bein this Bay and this bin, and it's not
there that happens at every, no matterhow you scale that, that's a problem.
There are a lot of these littleproblems that come along in our.
Business life that wejust have to adjust to.
Now we don't want to spend thewhole show talking about that.
Cause we're going to spend lots oftime talking about taxes and other
things and some upcoming shows.
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And as a, announcement, if youwill, we are going to be doing our
first ever live broadcast wherewe're going to stream a show.
We're going to come on probably six orseven o'clock Eastern standard time.
So people on the West coastcan join us if they want.
We don't have an exact date, butit will be in the next six weeks.
If you are interested and havequestions that you want answered, you
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will be able to send the questionsto us, and we will do the very
best, mostly Matt, do the very best.
To answer those questions.
It probably won't last an hour.
I don't know yet.
We're working out the actual frameworkof it, but we will be doing the very
first ever, what's sold live stream.
It'll probably be at least an hour.
We regularly hit 45 minutes, 50minutes without batting an eye on here.
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That's without anybodyasking us questions.
Exactly.
So today we're going to be talking,it's a little bit of a different show.
We're going to be talking about, and we'vehinted at it here and there, but both
Matt and I run our own little companiesand have lots of responsibilities
and do lots of different things.
And it is very easy.
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Now we're talking to you listenerout there that is pretty much working
full time doing this or runningyour own business, but even the
part timers could run into this.
When do you turn off the spigot?
When do you stop and take a break fromwhat you're doing and what does that
look like and why is that important?
So those are the three basic ideaswe're going to talk about so Matt
I know this last week, it's been aninteresting one for you, but can you talk
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a little bit about how, why, and what?
Yeah.
In anticipation of the fact that I wasgoing to have surgery and I was going
to have a week or two of some limitsfor me, I preemptively photographed just
tons of things, hundreds of things thatneeded to be listed with the intention
of, okay, I'm going to be just sitting.
On my couch or wherever.
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And I don't have the abilityto go down to my workspace.
I can just be working on my laptopor I can be listing things on eBay
through the eBay app on my phone.
So all I have to do is make a listingor copy one that's already there.
I just put the photos, change the title,change the price, whatever I listen to.
And I do that all the time.
And you know what?
I had surgery on Monday.
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Today is Friday.
And I have intentionally, I changed,I completely changed course.
I've intentionally.
Told myself.
Don't do any, I'm essentiallygiving myself a week off from work.
I had paused my eBay store in the sensethat I can continue to list items if
I wish but Items that sell during thisperiod of time I'm not obligated to
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ship them within my normal shippingwindow that doesn't trigger until the
end of my quote unquote time away So anyof you who don't know that and you're
freaking out like oh, what am I gonnado if something sells when I'm gone?
There's a thing it's just called timeaway and you can schedule Any amount of
time from a date and specific time ofday to another date and time, you can,
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during that time, either disallow anythingto be sold at all, so it's completely
blocked from buyers, or you can allowthem to continue to buy, and for you to
continue to list, it only affects theshipping portion, the fulfillment portion.
I did that, but this week, Istarted getting into some stuff.
Guys, I got a lot of interests.
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I have kids and a lot of my hobbiesand things that I care about and
used to interact with in life.
I put aside because therewere other priorities, other
things that were important.
And there's just, I'm only one person.
There's only so much time in theday and a good portion of that
day has to be work because I gotto help provide for my family.
So some of those things go away.
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And I think whenever there's time inthe future, I'll come back to this.
I used to be really big into photography.
I've always been into music, creatingartwork, all kinds of things.
And you know what?
Reading, writing poetry, reading things,and I sat down on the couch and I
pulled out my guitar, one of my guitars,and I said to myself, you know what?
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You haven't worked on music in a while.
And I don't think I've ever shared thisbefore, but I've been playing music since
I was like in middle school, high school.
I play a number of stringed instruments.
I used to write songs.
I used to play music.
I used to travel around.
I haven't played performed foranybody in probably over 10 years.
It's just, that's about when we, gave,had, got pregnant with our first child.
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And so not that I haven't picked upa guitar and played here and there.
I still do it for fun, but man,I've had some songs that I've
half written for like six years.
That's ridiculous.
I just you write for a little bitand then you're like, okay, I'll put
this aside and then three years goesby and you never went back to it.
So I sat down and I started working,I've been working on maybe five or six
songs that I had worked on and I'vebeen incredibly productive, surprise.
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Like I was able to be productivein something that is a passion
of mine, something I care about.
And it has been I can't tellyou how satisfying it has
been to work on this stuff.
And I've been reading some and itwas like, I'm rediscovering some
of these things about myself.
I'm a creative person at heart.
And for those of you who are creativetypes as well, you'll probably
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understand what I'm saying when I saythat if you're a creative person and
you are in a position where you can'tbe doing those creative things, it's
like a part of your soul is missing.
It's like a part of you dies.
I have a good family and I have friendsand I have lots of other things that I do
get to spend time with, but I don't thinkthat I'm my full person, my full self,
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like reaching my full potential, unlessI have the time and the space to, to pull
these things out of myself that I may noteven know are there, but I care about it.
And so in one of those ways.
Is writing music.
And so it's been incredibly fun.
And you know what?
I don't regret doing, I don't regret notbeing able to do some of that work this
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week, because the work's going to bethere next week when I come back, I had
set up some things to sell this week.
I don't have to fulfillthem until next week.
There is still some money coming in.
When you set the stage for thisconversation, Brandon, you said, this
is mostly for full time people, butthis could also be people who have
full time jobs in a different arena andthen come home and do part time stuff
because that's an extra thing, right?
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For them, doing the reselling is extra.
For someone who's fulltime, it's not extra.
It's just their full time job.
And the difference there is that whenyou don't have a very clear boundary,
like a different place that yougo to work and then you come home.
It's difficult, you have to set thatown boundary for yourself, whether
you're going to be working into thenight, whether, you're going to split
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responsibilities and you're going to partways and your spouse or your partner is
going to take care of the kids or thedogs or whatever, while you go do your
other thing, like that's a boundary andyou both have to be in agreement on that
or else there could be some conflict.
And there has been one, me and my, tobe honest with you, my spouse and I,
there's been some conflicts through thecourse of me doing this because especially
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early on, I had a very difficulttime setting boundaries for myself.
And part of that reason was itwas, I was starting from nothing.
I had no capital and it was like, Ineed to make more money than this.
The only way to do this is to work more.
Yeah.
And so I was working at night.
I was getting up.
Wake up in the night, couldn'tsleep, get up and do some work.
And that's not healthy.
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First of all, it's not sustainable.
And it forced my spouse to have to domore work than was really fair for her.
Yeah.
That wasn't equitable.
And I recognize that now.
Let's talk about reallyquickly because it.
It is not just simply the way youlaid it out in terms of that idea.
We all need to have things inour life that re energize us.
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Sometimes it's our job.
Sometimes it's things we do.
I, there's a guy I listen to namedProfessor Scott Glenn, who's an
economics professor at NYU, does a showcalled Pivot, a podcast called Pivot.
And he talks about he says, look, ifyou want to be successful in life,
don't do what you're passionate about.
Do what you're good at.
And that's a fundamentally interestingway to think about it because I
think a lot of people say, Oh, Ireally want to be blah, blah, blah.
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It's like Matt wants to really play musicall the time, but that's not really what
puts food on the table at this point.
Not yet.
Not yet, Brandon.
Not yet.
Exactly.
But here's the thing, no matter whatyou decide to do, and I really believe
this, I've learned this the hard wayas Matt has learned this the hard way.
You have to have structure.
You cannot say, Oh, I want todo, I want to finish that song.
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Like you said, you started and thenthree years later, you're like,
ah, you have to have a deliverable.
I'm a big fan of the deliverable,like on this date, timetables.
Yep.
Deadline.
Yes.
We need to have this doneand whatever that is.
And that also includes free time.
So you need to say to yourself, okay,I want to have the, everybody knows
it's ever taken time off from work.
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It feels like it's harder to getready to take time off from work
than actually just do the work.
You're constantly, almost like you'redoing it twice, but taking the time.
To plan is critical and no matter whatyou do, if you, especially if you have
a full time job and you're doing thispart time so you've got it as a side
hustle, you can't simply say, oh, okay,I've got two hours at the end of the day.
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You probably want to cut that in halfand say I'm going to work one hour
and then I'm going to go have dinnerwith my family or I'm going to go read
a book or I'm going to do whatever.
I like to think of Rusty.
Is writing poetry, I like how you saidit, it's like, roses are red, violets
are blue, I got buckets of blood froma dick, whatever, I feel like Rusty
would be writing poetry like that.
For sure, maybe I'll have toask Rusty if he would allow me
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to share some of his most recentpoetry here before too awful long.
I know all that's tongue in cheek, I'velearned something through this week,
and that is, prior to this experience, Ionly looked at, The idea of taking time
off from work from one angle and thatangle was lost time means lost revenue.
Yeah, and I'm if I'm not beingproductive and that somehow reflects
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poorly on me as a person, okay?
That was the way I looked at it.
I'm a counselor and by educationI know that there are different
ways of looking at things andusually Our anxiety and distress
doesn't come from the event itself.
It comes from the way thatwe frame it, if you want.
And that's one of the things, you takea picture, you put a different frame on
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it and may look completely different.
And so the way that, from a differentangle, what I've learned this
week is not only do I not feel badanymore about taking some time.
But I've thoroughly enjoyed myself andI've been able to step outside of that.
I've just been inside of it for so long.
I can step back.
I've been able to examine some thingsabout my business from a more objective
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viewpoint, which I think is healthy.
It will help me in the future.
And also, I'm going to beenergized now, go back to work.
I'm going to attack it.
When I get back and because I had, I gotsome nourishment, I got some fulfillment
for some things that I care about in lifethat is different than work and that's
a super powerful and healthy thing.
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And I would encourage people tomaybe if you can push past or resist.
When I felt before, which is youcan't ever give yourself time off.
It's not healthy.
I tell myself it's not healthy.
I believe it's not healthy.
And guess what?
Every day I keep doing it and Istill don't give myself time off.
And that's my fault.
It's almost like I needed someone togive me permission and that's not even
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fair either because other people havetold me, you really need to slow down
and I'm always just nope, I go hard.
That's what I do.
I'm going to go hard.
I'm going to work hard until I'm old.
And sometimes getting sick.
I feel the same way.
I'm like, when I get sick, I'mlike, I need to take a break.
It forces you to take a break.
I sad to think that you have towait for a bad cold to take a break,
but I think there's something tobe said about a forced time of
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breaking from what you're doing.
And, I could just hear people outthere saying, well, but Matt, Brandon,
Rusty, what's going to happen tomy business if I take time off, I
actually believe that your businesswill benefit from taking the time off.
It is hard.
It is so hard.
As a small business owner, the old sayingis, Hey, when you work for yourself,
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you got 20, it's all yours 24 hours,but you're going to work 12 of that.
So it's like you don't, you can controlyour own life, but you work more.
I work way, way, way more now than I didwhen I was working for somebody else.
It is one of those things where yougot to have that self discipline.
It sounds so counterintuitivebecause you're like if I don't
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work, I'm not going to make money.
Do you have to have selfdiscipline to say, how much
money do I really need to make?
Obviously if that's your lightsare going to be turned off, you
might need to put more time in.
I don't know.
Only you know that.
And I guess what I want to say afterall of this is that you listener, if you
relate to this idea at all, you, I giveyou permission to take that break, go
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get that mountain bike out of the garage.
And right up that trail that you haven'tdone in two or three years, because
you've been so like, take a day, go up.
And get up to the top of that mountainand look down, like you, you have a
30, 000 foot view now of your life.
Just take a moment and think about it.
You can pull yourself out ofthat situation, do something
that you love, and you're goingto get some satisfaction there.
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I do get some satisfaction out of my job.
There are a lot of thingssatisfying me in my life that
have nothing to do with my work.
And it had nothing to do withprevious jobs that I've had.
There are some things, and you don'thave to be a creative person, it's
just if you have something that youcare about, whether that's, maybe
that's going to visit a friend.
Maybe that's, going to a placeyou've always wanted to see,
but never let yourself go.
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Something like that.
I think those are very healthythings, and I've known it, like
intellectually, I've believed that,but I still wouldn't let myself put
it into practice for some reason.
It has nothing to do with anyone else.
It's just me, probably because I'mstill working through a little bit
of the trauma of losing my job andhaving to just hustle day after day.
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And I don't have to do that every daynow, but I still am acting as if I do.
It's like I, it's likeI never got over that.
It's like you wish that you hada, an easy answer to all this.
And somebody wrote, I can't rememberwhere it was or whatever it was about, we
were talking about those people that showthose shows where they're like, Oh, I went
to Goodwill and I found this treasure.
It was worth 50, 000.
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50, 000. That doesn't happen.
Somebody left a message.
I don't know if you saw it.
Somebody left a message recently thatwas, spoke to that, heard our last
episode and said, Oh my goodness.
I just watched.
Right before, right after, whatever,they listened to our episode about that.
They were like, we watched thischannel and they found a huge score.
And I was like, I was calling BS on that.
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There's no way that Rightclearly was manufactured.
And I'm not saying thatgive me, don't get me wrong.
Don't hear what I'm not saying.
I'm not saying that everychannel that does that.
Is completely fabricating something,but there is a very close similarity
between a lot of these YouTubechannels and straight up TV shows.
Yeah.
That's a script.
Somebody wrote that script.
Those are characters and the thingsthat they're encountering and doing.
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George Costanza did not do thework on the Guggenheim , right.
That wasn't, he's not a real personand he didn't, he's not an architect.
Okay.
Yes.
It's like these people.
Maybe they are resellers,but it's the same as me.
I'm not actually Rusty.
Rusty's a character.
There is some tongue in cheek.
I'm taking, not taking myself tooseriously and I joke around, but that's
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not who I really am, but I am actuallya reseller and I am actually trying
to give you valuable information.
So don't believe everything that you see.
Okay.
And like I said before, if it seemstoo good to be true, it probably is.
I didn't come up with thatexpression, but I think it rings true.
There's also a danger to thosekinds of shows that you as a viewer
have to be really cognizant of.
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Don't rush out to do this becausethinking that you're going to go find it.
Yeah.
20, 000 item at Goodwill every time.
I heard somewhere, readsomewhere that they say that,
something like 90 plus percent.
Of items at Goodwill are worth 30 or less.
So if you want to go to Goodwill andfind something that's worth more than
30, you have to have enough knowledgethat you're going to find something
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in that 10 percent or less, and thatyou're going to find it before somebody
else who goes in there finds it.
And I do think that Americans havea get rich quick scheme in there.
We're just we call itthe lottery mentality.
Like I'm going to win.
Think about those lottery ticketsthat guys, it's a billion dollars.
You have, I read this thing once that saidthat you have actually a higher percentage
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chance of being killed by a meteor inyour home than winning the lottery.
How many people you know that you'veheard of have been killed by media?
I'm saying, statisticallyspeaking, it's less.
I don't know what the statis on people who have YouTube
channels that make a living.
They make enough money to pay theirbills from revenue from YouTube, but
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it has to also be incredibly small.
Right.
Somebody recently, we were out andthere was a 16 year old and someone
mentioned to them that I have a YouTubechannel and they looked it up and
they're like, They said that I'm famous.
I'm like, I'm not famous.
I'm like, Oh wow, you are famous.
You have almost this many subscribers.
And I'm like, I'm not famous.
And also I wouldn't even be close,even though I've been doing it for
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four, four or five years now, I'm noteven close to earning enough revenue
to pay even a quarter of my bills.
So many young people, especiallythey want to be YouTube celebrities.
They want to make a tonof money from YouTube.
If someone asks me today, Hey,should I do a YouTube channel?
I'll be like, no, definitely not.
Don't do it.
Because you will put it, you willwork for two, three, five, ten
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years without making a single dime.
You're gonna put in tonsof work, tons of time.
You're not gonna earn anything.
And most people will give up.
And guess who did make money?
YouTube.
Because they ran ads from your firstvideo all the way until you quit.
And guess what?
You're quit.
You quit, but you didn'tshut down your channel.
They're still letting peoplesee your videos and they're
still making money off of it.
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The reality.
And the other part about this is, again,goes to the business scalability is, We,
as this show has grown, as we have done,There are more and more things to do.
But you're not getting more andmore income from it, you're just
getting, In order to get to theplace where you want to, Let's be
clear folks, we like doing this.
Oh yeah.
We're hopeful that this isgoing to be, Successful.
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We're not saying don't whatever, butbecause we're obviously doing it every
week, we enjoy it and we're looking,we're hoping that it's going to be
something that people, I'm stilltrying to figure out if it's worth it.
Let me put it that way.
I'm still on the fence about, if you Ijoked before that if I just spent the
amount of time that I spent on YouTubefor the first three years, If I spent
even just half of the time I spent simplywalking around the parking lot of my
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grocery store, looking for loose change, Iwould have made way more money doing that.
So if you're doing it to earn revenue.
You're going to have to be incrediblylucky, or you're just so exceptionally
talented, more talented than anyone elsedoing the thing that you're doing, and
maybe you are, but it's not a get, this isgoing full circle what you said, it's not
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a get rich quick scheme, and if you wantto make money in these media worlds, you
almost have to be financed by someone, youhave to pay somebody else a lot of money,
And so you're going to be profit sharing.
I guys, every week I get multiple emailsand we get emails on the podcast email and
also on the emails for slick web media.
I just dozens and dozens anddozens of companies wanting to do
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a sponsorship thing or wanting meto pay them to, Oh, we can expand
your viewership by blah, blah, blah.
It's just like all these people,they're just trying to make money too.
I get it.
That's their business.
And maybe I have to do that ifI ever want to really grow this.
But it gets complicated and there arealso lots of people who want to jump on
your shoulders and let you carry them in.
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Yeah, absolutely.
And I think that's, I'm going to pushback a little bit on that because, Ooh, on
that idea, no, it's not a pushback, but.
It's if I knew what I knewnow, I would never have started
becoming a professional podcaster.
Like I never, if I knew how muchwork was going to have to go into it
when I started this eight years ago,but here's the weird part about it.
When I look back or when I lookand see what I've been part
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of like, that's really cool.
Yeah.
And it grows on.
So yes.
You probably shouldn't start thatgarage band because you're probably
statistically not going to be successful.
Let me clarify.
If you're doing these thingsto earn a lot of money, I would
say you should reconsider.
Exactly.
Because it's very difficult to do that.
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But if you do it because you care aboutit, you're passionate, you enjoy it.
Or you're trying to dosomething for someone else or
you're good at it, then sure.
That's, those are the reasonsreally why I keep doing it.
And also, I've learned so muchthrough this process, which I think
you just alluded to for yourself.
I've built myself some interestingskill sets, and I've added a lot
of knowledge about a lot of things.
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And, I've learned from a lot ofother people and I'm still learning.
That's really cool.
If you want to learn and you enjoy seeingnew things, meeting new people and stuff,
then that is a good reason to resell.
Reselling part time, you can make money.
So we got off in the rabbit hole ofcreating media and creating content.
But to bring it back to the wholepurpose of this podcast, which is to
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talk about the buying and selling youcertainly can make money doing it.
But back to our originalpoint, don't get lost in the
trenches, don't get stuck there.
You don't have to sit there and eatrats and whatever, like it did in World
War one, get out of that, get out ofthat trench and go for a vacation.
Give yourself a break because you'llcome back with a completely fresh, new
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perspective and you'll have energy.
That's been my experience this week.
And I want to say thatit's really important.
You've all heard this.
So this is not newinformation, but have a plan.
Plan for the times that you needto take off, plan for how I want
to do these things, but I only haveso much time and you look at your
day and you say, I need downtime.
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I need an hour.
My wife knows that I need an hour everyday just to read, just to down, just
to shut my brain off for a little bit.
You need to build that into your schedule.
You can't.
In a sense, it's like saving money.
If you, they alwayssay, did your plan fail?
Did you fail the plan?
And in a sense, it's the same thing.
If Matt and I didn't do the work we'vebeen doing, we wouldn't be where we are.
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But if we did the work thatwe were doing to make millions
of dollars that's dumb, right?
What you said about learningfrom it is the key, and that's
the whole purpose of this show.
We want people to engage in that andsay, we do a Reddit subreddit, and
it's, I haven't really promoted orpushed it yet, but I really want people
from this show to get on that Reddit.
And the reason is because I do thinkwe have a lot to learn from each other.
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Oh, yeah.
And if you haven't been on Reddit,Reddit can be, a crazy rabbit hole too.
Cool.
But it, our entire reason fordoing the Reddit is so that other
resellers can talk to each other andsay, Hey, this is what I'm seeing.
These are the items that I'mseeing that are selling or not.
And here's one last point.
I think this is really important.
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I think the reason why that youare successful, it's a little bit
philosophical, Matt, so bear with me.
Okay.
Is that you, I love thatyou call people cousins.
We're all in this together.
If it's just about a dog eat dog worldand I'm just trying to get something from
you then you're not my cousin, right?
My cousin, Eric, great guy would neverever screw him over in a business deal.
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I love him.
That's your cousin.
And if you think abouteverybody in that way.
You might not make as much moneyin the short term, but you're going
to, you're going to be a betterperson for it in the long run.
And everyone's going to have something.
I think that our, our world, whetherit's very obvious or very subversive,
our Western culture seems to be somuch about gaining wealth or power
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at the expense of other people.
Get yours and use whoever orwhatever you need to get that.
And.
You're right.
If we viewed everyone as family, thenwe would not feel okay doing that.
And I think that's alesson to us in this world.
And this is, goes back to why I don't tryto just haggle people and get quick deals.
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I want to build relationshipswith people because.
In the world I want to live in, Iwant to leave these interactions
and having felt good about what Igot out of it and them having felt
good about what they got out of it.
It's, I want it to be a winwin, if at all possible.
It shouldn't be me walking away feelinggood about taking advantage of them and
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them not knowing it until later or ever.
It's not how I want to interact withpeople and I hope that that comes across.
On our YouTube channel on thechannels and on this is that guys,
it's great to do things to make alittle bit of income for your family,
but this is not about being rich.
This is not about making more.
This is not about takingadvantage of other people.
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This is, I'll give tips sometimesto show how I can, I strategize and
how that helped me at times, but.
And feel free to call me out if youever notice that I'm being hypocritical
and something pops up, I really wantto know because I want to be able to
live out the things that I'm saying.
I think that there is a place where wecan all do better for ourselves when
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it comes to buying and selling things.
And.
I want the person purchasing the itemto be happy with what they got, or the
person who sold it to me to be happywith what they earned at the same time.
That's a really good word.
One of the reasons that we're talkingabout this this week is because Matt
has had a forced Stoppage in work.
And we are, we're doing a little bit of adifferent show in the sense that we're not
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going to show what sold this week, becauseit's what didn't sell, why didn't it sell?
Cause I didn't do any, and somethings did sell, but the idea is
sometimes it's okay to not sell.
Sometimes it's okay totake care of yourself.
Sometimes it's the most important thingis to take care of yourself and it
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doesn't don't wait until it's a crisis.
Don't wait until you're having panicattacks and you don't know why.
Check in on yourself a little bitmore often than that, get feedback.
I don't believe there's anythingsuch thing as a self made person.
I just do not believe it.
Anybody who gets ahead or hasthe plans that they are able to
see come to fruition, had theassistance of somebody else.
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That's just how it is.
I couldn't do this podcastwithout you, Brandon.
I couldn't have had the success on theYouTube channel without Peaches, without
my spouse being okay with me taking thetime, without my children sacrificing
some time with dad so that I could do itwithout people who had stores at prices
that made sense for me to buy so thatI could buy those things and sell them.
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I'm not a self made person.
I got into this job out of desperationbecause I lost a job, which is not the
position that I think anyone listeningshould get into this type of business.
But I didn't have a choice, or ratherI chose to do this out of desperation
rather than something else, but I didn'tcome into it with a plan of action.
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I'm where I am.
Because a lot of peoplehelped me along the way.
And that is a big reasonwhy we do this podcast.
A big reason why we do the YouTube isthat there are other people out there,
not as in dire circumstances as I was.
And frankly, I wasn't in terriblydire circumstances because I'm
blessed to have family and friendsand things that if I was at the end.
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They would help me through financially,luckily, but if you're in a situation,
you can do this type of work.
It's not that hard.
Don't let it become your entirelife because that's not healthy.
And we're going to be doing a series ofshows about, and some things coming up,
I mentioned there's some things comingup, but about how do you start, like Matt
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started out of desperation and was saying,but there was a whole lot of lessons
learned along the way, which is whatyou've been showing people and everything.
But we're going tostart with the baseline.
Of day one, man, you'restarting the business.
Yeah.
What do we do?
So we're really looking forward to that.
We're looking forward tocontinuing this journey.
We hope we do it for a lot longer, butlike Matt said, you just never know.
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Keep the comments coming.
It's great to hear from you guys.
Remember that if you want to emailus at what's old podcast at gmail.
com.
We're always there.
Can't promise.
We're going to answer you right awaybecause we're both obviously slammed
busy with a million different things,but we do really appreciate it.
Tell a friend.
It really helps us.
Our show has been growing.
I tell Matt the metrics all the time.
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I'm always amazed.
I'm like, I can't believe that manypeople are listening and it's cool.
We know that it's not for everybody,but we know that it's for somebody.
So we really appreciate you guystaking the time to listen to us.
We'll be back with a brand new shownext week, and we look forward to
sharing more ways to make money selling.
Awesome.
Take care, everyone.
Welcome to the what's old podcast.
I am Brandon with my friend Matt today.
Actually, Matt couldn't be here.
So we decided to bring on hiscousin, his cousin, Rusty.
Yes.
People have been clamoring for, weconstantly get these messages where people
are, remember Mary, she's like, I hadno idea that you were not cousin Rusty.
So we had a question on the oneon the YouTube channel which is.
(01:00):
Which both you and I are like,it's funny because we just upload
the podcast on YouTube, right?
Pretty much unedited and it's amazinghow many more people find it through
that YouTube is such a powerful Channel,but oh man, so many users So many users
and so many people that are looking forinformation and we get way more comments
(01:20):
on YouTube than anywhere else Butsomebody said hey Whatever happened to
cousin or whatever happened to peaches?
Yeah, and I said no peaches is aliveand well, he just lives 1, 500 miles
away from where Matt is so it's hard.
I technically he's alive.
He's suspended in a vat of he's got someelectrodes it's keeping his heart pumping,
but and his beard's still growing.
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It's all the way down to his kneesnow, which is nice, but no he's alive.
He he is not a full timereseller in real life.
He is a part time reseller.
And the main reason he's not beena part of videos recently is that.
There have been no videosin the last three months.
I've been super neglectfulof creating videos and it was
(02:02):
a, it was shame on you, Matt.
I know, I know.
Shame on you.
Listen, this is not an excuse.
Maybe this is an excuse.
This is a reason, it was hit Thanksgiving.
Busy with family.
Then, you've got tying up stuff with thekids, end of school year, you got, in
this month of December, in my personallife, my daughter's birthday, my wife's
birthday, our anniversary, Christmas, NewYear's, I mean they all hit in sequence.
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Trips to Mexico City.
We went to Mexico City,I got food poisoning.
Then my daughter comes home with flu.
I had the flu for 11 days.
Then I got a hernia and Ihad to have hernia surgery.
And so here I am.
Wait, and then you'remissing a big one, Matt.
What's the big one?
A hurricane hit us and shut us down.
Oh yeah, of course it was.
That was prior to November.
Yeah.
So that was October.
That was September 27th.
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Right.
So basically from September 27th.
Now I did do some videos totry to get the word out to the
world about what we encountered.
And it's interesting that youmentioned the hurricane because
we're going to come back around to.
That topic later in the show.
You don't know why yet, but we willbut all that to say, I've been bad.
And for anyone who has evercreated content, podcasting or
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YouTube videos and things, it is arhythm that you have to get into.
And once you get back into it,it is like riding a bike, but.
If you get out of that rhythm, it isdifficult to get back in it, especially
when you have lots of other work.
Like I make my money.
I make a living from what I buy and sell.
That's how I make my living.
I don't make my livingfrom the content I create.
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It's fun to do it.
I'm glad to give that information out.
It was the impetus for us creating thispodcast and all of that, but it takes
time and I have to come up not only withthe idea of it, but I have to record it.
I edit it.
I have to get it out at a certain time.
And so all that to say, everyone'ssaying, just shut up and make a video.
All right, I'm going to, I promiseyou, I'm going to make some more videos
(03:53):
soon and I will get peaches out of theback, have them put down the dust pan
and the broom and get out there, get
out of here, get out of here.
So thank you for those whoare interested in seeing more.
There is more to come.
I've just been, listen, I'm a.I'm a fallible person, there's
a little bit to that too.
And again, for troll seven thirty four,who's now mad that we're not talking
(04:19):
about how to make their life easier.
There's kind of two ways to doa lot of this content creation.
And there's a million, there's aquadrillion people out there, by
the way, there are 750 million.
That's not an exaggeration.
It's not like there are millions of them.
There literally are millions of podcasts.
So finding.
An audience with a podcast is a challenge.
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And so there's really two ways to do it.
There's the way we did it,which is hang a shingle out.
You had a presence.
People knew you and found the show.
But then there's the, youhave a backing behind you.
You're on iHeartMedia or you're a famousmusician or you're already famous.
You were quasi because you had afollowing, but it's not the same as,
(05:00):
so basically the point being is thatwe've bootstrapped this whole thing.
This has been us working on this withthe idea of wanting to create, to do
something fun, to create somethingcool, which I think that we're doing.
But.
Creating content takes time.
Every one of these shows thatwe do takes in the neighborhood
of between four and eight hours.
And that's not an exaggeration.
(05:21):
Now you guys are like,what you do idiot stuff.
It's just a lot that goes into it.
And that does not include all thetime that Matt spends out on the road.
Do what he's doing.
My job is to remove.
As much of that stuff fromMatt as possible, because the
show is about helping people.
That's what we want.
That's what we hope.
I've been thinking about that.
I, yeah, I've interruptedmyself there because I, a couple
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of people said, Hey, thanks.
It's nice to hear fromother small business owners.
That's what we're doing.
It is about being an aftermarket merchant.
We're ramping up.
We like, we want to do more of that.
Yeah.
We want to get people who are involved inthe buying and selling world, but also.
Just any I feel like there are so manybusiness people, professionals out there
in a variety of categories or realms outthere that have useful information for you
(06:07):
and pat yourself on the back listeners.
Cause you were some of the first, wehope to be doing this for a while.
Who knows if we'll ever expandthat much, but we've been doing
it for about a year now, right?
Just a little over a year.
And that's, it sounds like alot of time, but also it's not.
Right.
We've got a lot more, I think, to bring.
And you named it.
We have had a lot ofthings go on in that year.
Correct.
So it's been a packed, a jampacked year full of stuff.
(06:28):
And so we're trying to bring morecontent that is not just about
buying and selling on eBay, but it's.
Matt and I have talked a lot aboutexpanding the empire a little bit, because
one of the problems that Matt has runinto, and Matt talked about it in, in
detail, about being limited to eBay, thatif eBay decides to do something to you, i.
(06:49):
e.
they can do it.
They're a massive organization.
You were at their beck and call.
Right.
And we don't have to pick oneBay necessarily, but it's true.
The premise is that it's true ofany platform that you're utilizing,
but you don't have control over.
So you are you're underneath theirpolicies or their whims, right?
(07:10):
They don't have to be accurate with their.
Decisions, or if they thinkyou've done something wrong,
they don't have to be right.
It doesn't matter becausethey govern themselves.
Right.
The reason I've used that platform isbecause it has such a large user base.
And I know it will bedifficult and it will be.
A trend.
(07:30):
It'll be a transitional periodif I move away from that.
And I didn't mean to cut you off,but that is, it doesn't have to be
them, but this is for anybody who'sout there using Etsy or you're using,
any of these different platforms.
Likely if you've used them longenough, you likely have encountered
some things for like, huh, I don't,I wouldn't have done it that way.
Or that didn't help me.
Right.
And you have, you're not thepurveyor of your destiny here.
(07:53):
You're putting that in someone else'shands and you're paying them as well.
Well, there's an interesting part ofthat as a small business owner, I think
everybody needs to take this into account.
What happens a lot of timesis not under your control.
So if we started doing, we were going toupload a lot of these things to Facebook
and Facebook in their algorithm and thebot shut us down, they said, you guys
(08:15):
are not, and we're like, wait, what?
And we can't call anybody.
We can't say, oh, but we're justshowing items that we've sold.
We're not trying to do anything shady.
There's no way to that.
We're absolutely.
Under the control of Facebookor YouTube or whatever.
So if YouTube tomorrow decidedthey weren't going to show any free
videos, that would be the end of it.
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So it's the same thing.
If you're a supplier, let's say thatyou go to, as a reseller, you go to
like three different vintage shopsor stores or, secondhand stores
or whatever, and then two of themshut down because of a hurricane.
You have no control over that.
Now you're not able to get thosegoods anymore, and it just changes
everything, and that could be,if you are selling anything, your
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supplier could shut you down tomorrow.
Yeah, and you didn't, that wasn't just amade up story, you're describing my life,
because that exact thing has happenedto me, and I've had to make adjustments.
For better for worse, because, if I don'tmake adjustments, then my only other
option is to find a completely differentfield, a completely different job.
But if I want to keep doing this andthat sort of forced my hand, but I
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think even in the absence of a dramaticevent like that, that we don't have
control over, we should always beworking to try to make our business
better, find out ways to advance and or.
It doesn't have to be, drivenby, oh, I just got to make
more and that kind of thing.
It could just be, how can I dowhat I'm doing more efficient
and make life easier for myself.
(09:39):
Everyone wants to makemore and work less, right?
Yeah, well.
If there's a way that you can be moreefficient so that more earnings come
in and it doesn't require any morework, it just, you just have to put
some thought behind it and there's someplanning there and some adjustment.
And I, I still have to do that.
I, in my own business, I, there areweak spots, there are some cracks
(10:00):
in the facade, that I need to patch.
Oh yeah, for sure.
Like I, I, the biggest one right now is.
Is expanding storage space.
I have a little bit of a spaceproblem and, back before the
hurricane, I might think I'll justgo find a storage building now.
It's a, so sure I can trustbeing in another area.
The other thing is just, I'mgetting such volumes of things.
It's becoming more of achallenge to locate and fulfill
(10:23):
things in a timely manner.
I still can find it.
But it's not like I got three tubsand everything's in three tubs.
No, I've got, several differentracks of tubs and different
places where the items could be.
And if somebody buys 10 items andthere's a different alphanumeric code
in every one of those titles, thatmeans those items are going to be
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spread out in 10 different places.
So it doesn't take me 30 secondsor, a minute to fulfill that order.
It might take me 15 minutesto fulfill that order.
Based on the volume of things that I have.
I worked for an electrical wholesaleryears and years ago in a training problem,
right at program, right out of college,we had this massive warehouse that was
completely automated and there was, we'reconstantly trying to find stuff that
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you're like, wait, it's supposed to bein this Bay and this bin, and it's not
there that happens at every, no matterhow you scale that, that's a problem.
There are a lot of these littleproblems that come along in our.
Business life that wejust have to adjust to.
Now we don't want to spend thewhole show talking about that.
Cause we're going to spend lots oftime talking about taxes and other
things and some upcoming shows.
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And as a, announcement, if youwill, we are going to be doing our
first ever live broadcast wherewe're going to stream a show.
We're going to come on probably six orseven o'clock Eastern standard time.
So people on the West coastcan join us if they want.
We don't have an exact date, butit will be in the next six weeks.
If you are interested and havequestions that you want answered, you
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will be able to send the questionsto us, and we will do the very
best, mostly Matt, do the very best.
To answer those questions.
It probably won't last an hour.
I don't know yet.
We're working out the actual frameworkof it, but we will be doing the very
first ever, what's sold live stream.
It'll probably be at least an hour.
We regularly hit 45 minutes, 50minutes without batting an eye on here.
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That's without anybodyasking us questions.
Exactly.
So today we're going to be talking,it's a little bit of a different show.
We're going to be talking about, and we'vehinted at it here and there, but both
Matt and I run our own little companiesand have lots of responsibilities
and do lots of different things.
And it is very easy.
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Now we're talking to you listenerout there that is pretty much working
full time doing this or runningyour own business, but even the
part timers could run into this.
When do you turn off the spigot?
When do you stop and take a break fromwhat you're doing and what does that
look like and why is that important?
So those are the three basic ideaswe're going to talk about so Matt
I know this last week, it's been aninteresting one for you, but can you talk
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a little bit about how, why, and what?
Yeah.
In anticipation of the fact that I wasgoing to have surgery and I was going
to have a week or two of some limitsfor me, I preemptively photographed just
tons of things, hundreds of things thatneeded to be listed with the intention
of, okay, I'm going to be just sitting.
On my couch or wherever.
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And I don't have the abilityto go down to my workspace.
I can just be working on my laptopor I can be listing things on eBay
through the eBay app on my phone.
So all I have to do is make a listingor copy one that's already there.
I just put the photos, change the title,change the price, whatever I listen to.
And I do that all the time.
And you know what?
I had surgery on Monday.
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Today is Friday.
And I have intentionally, I changed,I completely changed course.
I've intentionally.
Told myself.
Don't do any, I'm essentiallygiving myself a week off from work.
I had paused my eBay store in the sensethat I can continue to list items if
I wish but Items that sell during thisperiod of time I'm not obligated to
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ship them within my normal shippingwindow that doesn't trigger until the
end of my quote unquote time away So anyof you who don't know that and you're
freaking out like oh, what am I gonnado if something sells when I'm gone?
There's a thing it's just called timeaway and you can schedule Any amount of
time from a date and specific time ofday to another date and time, you can,
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during that time, either disallow anythingto be sold at all, so it's completely
blocked from buyers, or you can allowthem to continue to buy, and for you to
continue to list, it only affects theshipping portion, the fulfillment portion.
I did that, but this week, Istarted getting into some stuff.
Guys, I got a lot of interests.
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I have kids and a lot of my hobbiesand things that I care about and
used to interact with in life.
I put aside because therewere other priorities, other
things that were important.
And there's just, I'm only one person.
There's only so much time in theday and a good portion of that
day has to be work because I gotto help provide for my family.
So some of those things go away.
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And I think whenever there's time inthe future, I'll come back to this.
I used to be really big into photography.
I've always been into music, creatingartwork, all kinds of things.
And you know what?
Reading, writing poetry, reading things,and I sat down on the couch and I
pulled out my guitar, one of my guitars,and I said to myself, you know what?
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You haven't worked on music in a while.
And I don't think I've ever shared thisbefore, but I've been playing music since
I was like in middle school, high school.
I play a number of stringed instruments.
I used to write songs.
I used to play music.
I used to travel around.
I haven't played performed foranybody in probably over 10 years.
It's just, that's about when we, gave,had, got pregnant with our first child.
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And so not that I haven't picked upa guitar and played here and there.
I still do it for fun, but man,I've had some songs that I've
half written for like six years.
That's ridiculous.
I just you write for a little bitand then you're like, okay, I'll put
this aside and then three years goesby and you never went back to it.
So I sat down and I started working,I've been working on maybe five or six
songs that I had worked on and I'vebeen incredibly productive, surprise.
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Like I was able to be productivein something that is a passion
of mine, something I care about.
And it has been I can't tellyou how satisfying it has
been to work on this stuff.
And I've been reading some and itwas like, I'm rediscovering some
of these things about myself.
I'm a creative person at heart.
And for those of you who are creativetypes as well, you'll probably
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understand what I'm saying when I saythat if you're a creative person and
you are in a position where you can'tbe doing those creative things, it's
like a part of your soul is missing.
It's like a part of you dies.
I have a good family and I have friendsand I have lots of other things that I do
get to spend time with, but I don't thinkthat I'm my full person, my full self,
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like reaching my full potential, unlessI have the time and the space to, to pull
these things out of myself that I may noteven know are there, but I care about it.
And so in one of those ways.
Is writing music.
And so it's been incredibly fun.
And you know what?
I don't regret doing, I don't regret notbeing able to do some of that work this
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week, because the work's going to bethere next week when I come back, I had
set up some things to sell this week.
I don't have to fulfillthem until next week.
There is still some money coming in.
When you set the stage for thisconversation, Brandon, you said, this
is mostly for full time people, butthis could also be people who have
full time jobs in a different arena andthen come home and do part time stuff
because that's an extra thing, right?
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For them, doing the reselling is extra.
For someone who's fulltime, it's not extra.
It's just their full time job.
And the difference there is that whenyou don't have a very clear boundary,
like a different place that yougo to work and then you come home.
It's difficult, you have to set thatown boundary for yourself, whether
you're going to be working into thenight, whether, you're going to split
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responsibilities and you're going to partways and your spouse or your partner is
going to take care of the kids or thedogs or whatever, while you go do your
other thing, like that's a boundary andyou both have to be in agreement on that
or else there could be some conflict.
And there has been one, me and my, tobe honest with you, my spouse and I,
there's been some conflicts through thecourse of me doing this because especially
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early on, I had a very difficulttime setting boundaries for myself.
And part of that reason was itwas, I was starting from nothing.
I had no capital and it was like, Ineed to make more money than this.
The only way to do this is to work more.
Yeah.
And so I was working at night.
I was getting up.
Wake up in the night, couldn'tsleep, get up and do some work.
And that's not healthy.
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First of all, it's not sustainable.
And it forced my spouse to have to domore work than was really fair for her.
Yeah.
That wasn't equitable.
And I recognize that now.
Let's talk about reallyquickly because it.
It is not just simply the way youlaid it out in terms of that idea.
We all need to have things inour life that re energize us.
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Sometimes it's our job.
Sometimes it's things we do.
I, there's a guy I listen to namedProfessor Scott Glenn, who's an
economics professor at NYU, does a showcalled Pivot, a podcast called Pivot.
And he talks about he says, look, ifyou want to be successful in life,
don't do what you're passionate about.
Do what you're good at.
And that's a fundamentally interestingway to think about it because I
think a lot of people say, Oh, Ireally want to be blah, blah, blah.
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It's like Matt wants to really play musicall the time, but that's not really what
puts food on the table at this point.
Not yet.
Not yet, Brandon.
Not yet.
Exactly.
But here's the thing, no matter whatyou decide to do, and I really believe
this, I've learned this the hard wayas Matt has learned this the hard way.
You have to have structure.
You cannot say, Oh, I want todo, I want to finish that song.
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Like you said, you started and thenthree years later, you're like,
ah, you have to have a deliverable.
I'm a big fan of the deliverable,like on this date, timetables.
Yep.
Deadline.
Yes.
We need to have this doneand whatever that is.
And that also includes free time.
So you need to say to yourself, okay,I want to have the, everybody knows
it's ever taken time off from work.
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It feels like it's harder to getready to take time off from work
than actually just do the work.
You're constantly, almost like you'redoing it twice, but taking the time.
To plan is critical and no matter whatyou do, if you, especially if you have
a full time job and you're doing thispart time so you've got it as a side
hustle, you can't simply say, oh, okay,I've got two hours at the end of the day.
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You probably want to cut that in halfand say I'm going to work one hour
and then I'm going to go have dinnerwith my family or I'm going to go read
a book or I'm going to do whatever.
I like to think of Rusty.
Is writing poetry, I like how you saidit, it's like, roses are red, violets
are blue, I got buckets of blood froma dick, whatever, I feel like Rusty
would be writing poetry like that.
For sure, maybe I'll have toask Rusty if he would allow me
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to share some of his most recentpoetry here before too awful long.
I know all that's tongue in cheek, I'velearned something through this week,
and that is, prior to this experience, Ionly looked at, The idea of taking time
off from work from one angle and thatangle was lost time means lost revenue.
Yeah, and I'm if I'm not beingproductive and that somehow reflects
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poorly on me as a person, okay?
That was the way I looked at it.
I'm a counselor and by educationI know that there are different
ways of looking at things andusually Our anxiety and distress
doesn't come from the event itself.
It comes from the way thatwe frame it, if you want.
And that's one of the things, you takea picture, you put a different frame on
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it and may look completely different.
And so the way that, from a differentangle, what I've learned this
week is not only do I not feel badanymore about taking some time.
But I've thoroughly enjoyed myself andI've been able to step outside of that.
I've just been inside of it for so long.
I can step back.
I've been able to examine some thingsabout my business from a more objective
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viewpoint, which I think is healthy.
It will help me in the future.
And also, I'm going to beenergized now, go back to work.
I'm going to attack it.
When I get back and because I had, I gotsome nourishment, I got some fulfillment
for some things that I care about in lifethat is different than work and that's
a super powerful and healthy thing.
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And I would encourage people tomaybe if you can push past or resist.
When I felt before, which is youcan't ever give yourself time off.
It's not healthy.
I tell myself it's not healthy.
I believe it's not healthy.
And guess what?
Every day I keep doing it and Istill don't give myself time off.
And that's my fault.
It's almost like I needed someone togive me permission and that's not even
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fair either because other people havetold me, you really need to slow down
and I'm always just nope, I go hard.
That's what I do.
I'm going to go hard.
I'm going to work hard until I'm old.
And sometimes getting sick.
I feel the same way.
I'm like, when I get sick, I'mlike, I need to take a break.
It forces you to take a break.
I sad to think that you have towait for a bad cold to take a break,
but I think there's something tobe said about a forced time of
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breaking from what you're doing.
And, I could just hear people outthere saying, well, but Matt, Brandon,
Rusty, what's going to happen tomy business if I take time off, I
actually believe that your businesswill benefit from taking the time off.
It is hard.
It is so hard.
As a small business owner, the old sayingis, Hey, when you work for yourself,
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you got 20, it's all yours 24 hours,but you're going to work 12 of that.
So it's like you don't, you can controlyour own life, but you work more.
I work way, way, way more now than I didwhen I was working for somebody else.
It is one of those things where yougot to have that self discipline.
It sounds so counterintuitivebecause you're like if I don't
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work, I'm not going to make money.
Do you have to have selfdiscipline to say, how much
money do I really need to make?
Obviously if that's your lightsare going to be turned off, you
might need to put more time in.
I don't know.
Only you know that.
And I guess what I want to say afterall of this is that you listener, if you
relate to this idea at all, you, I giveyou permission to take that break, go
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get that mountain bike out of the garage.
And right up that trail that you haven'tdone in two or three years, because
you've been so like, take a day, go up.
And get up to the top of that mountainand look down, like you, you have a
30, 000 foot view now of your life.
Just take a moment and think about it.
You can pull yourself out ofthat situation, do something
that you love, and you're goingto get some satisfaction there.
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I do get some satisfaction out of my job.
There are a lot of thingssatisfying me in my life that
have nothing to do with my work.
And it had nothing to do withprevious jobs that I've had.
There are some things, and you don'thave to be a creative person, it's
just if you have something that youcare about, whether that's, maybe
that's going to visit a friend.
Maybe that's, going to a placeyou've always wanted to see,
but never let yourself go.
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Something like that.
I think those are very healthythings, and I've known it, like
intellectually, I've believed that,but I still wouldn't let myself put
it into practice for some reason.
It has nothing to do with anyone else.
It's just me, probably because I'mstill working through a little bit
of the trauma of losing my job andhaving to just hustle day after day.
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And I don't have to do that every daynow, but I still am acting as if I do.
It's like I, it's likeI never got over that.
It's like you wish that you hada, an easy answer to all this.
And somebody wrote, I can't rememberwhere it was or whatever it was about, we
were talking about those people that showthose shows where they're like, Oh, I went
to Goodwill and I found this treasure.
It was worth 50, 000.
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50, 000. That doesn't happen.
Somebody left a message.
I don't know if you saw it.
Somebody left a message recently thatwas, spoke to that, heard our last
episode and said, Oh my goodness.
I just watched.
Right before, right after, whatever,they listened to our episode about that.
They were like, we watched thischannel and they found a huge score.
And I was like, I was calling BS on that.
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There's no way that Rightclearly was manufactured.
And I'm not saying thatgive me, don't get me wrong.
Don't hear what I'm not saying.
I'm not saying that everychannel that does that.
Is completely fabricating something,but there is a very close similarity
between a lot of these YouTubechannels and straight up TV shows.
Yeah.
That's a script.
Somebody wrote that script.
Those are characters and the thingsthat they're encountering and doing.
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George Costanza did not do thework on the Guggenheim , right.
That wasn't, he's not a real personand he didn't, he's not an architect.
Okay.
Yes.
It's like these people.
Maybe they are resellers,but it's the same as me.
I'm not actually Rusty.
Rusty's a character.
There is some tongue in cheek.
I'm taking, not taking myself tooseriously and I joke around, but that's
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not who I really am, but I am actuallya reseller and I am actually trying
to give you valuable information.
So don't believe everything that you see.
Okay.
And like I said before, if it seemstoo good to be true, it probably is.
I didn't come up with thatexpression, but I think it rings true.
There's also a danger to thosekinds of shows that you as a viewer
have to be really cognizant of.
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Don't rush out to do this becausethinking that you're going to go find it.
Yeah.
20, 000 item at Goodwill every time.
I heard somewhere, readsomewhere that they say that,
something like 90 plus percent.
Of items at Goodwill are worth 30 or less.
So if you want to go to Goodwill andfind something that's worth more than
30, you have to have enough knowledgethat you're going to find something
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in that 10 percent or less, and thatyou're going to find it before somebody
else who goes in there finds it.
And I do think that Americans havea get rich quick scheme in there.
We're just we call itthe lottery mentality.
Like I'm going to win.
Think about those lottery ticketsthat guys, it's a billion dollars.
You have, I read this thing once that saidthat you have actually a higher percentage
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chance of being killed by a meteor inyour home than winning the lottery.
How many people you know that you'veheard of have been killed by media?
I'm saying, statisticallyspeaking, it's less.
I don't know what the statis on people who have YouTube
channels that make a living.
They make enough money to pay theirbills from revenue from YouTube, but
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it has to also be incredibly small.
Right.
Somebody recently, we were out andthere was a 16 year old and someone
mentioned to them that I have a YouTubechannel and they looked it up and
they're like, They said that I'm famous.
I'm like, I'm not famous.
I'm like, Oh wow, you are famous.
You have almost this many subscribers.
And I'm like, I'm not famous.
And also I wouldn't even be close,even though I've been doing it for
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four, four or five years now, I'm noteven close to earning enough revenue
to pay even a quarter of my bills.
So many young people, especiallythey want to be YouTube celebrities.
They want to make a tonof money from YouTube.
If someone asks me today, Hey,should I do a YouTube channel?
I'll be like, no, definitely not.
Don't do it.
Because you will put it, you willwork for two, three, five, ten
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years without making a single dime.
You're gonna put in tonsof work, tons of time.
You're not gonna earn anything.
And most people will give up.
And guess who did make money?
YouTube.
Because they ran ads from your firstvideo all the way until you quit.
And guess what?
You're quit.
You quit, but you didn'tshut down your channel.
They're still letting peoplesee your videos and they're
still making money off of it.
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The reality.
And the other part about this is, again,goes to the business scalability is, We,
as this show has grown, as we have done,There are more and more things to do.
But you're not getting more andmore income from it, you're just
getting, In order to get to theplace where you want to, Let's be
clear folks, we like doing this.
Oh yeah.
We're hopeful that this isgoing to be, Successful.
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We're not saying don't whatever, butbecause we're obviously doing it every
week, we enjoy it and we're looking,we're hoping that it's going to be
something that people, I'm stilltrying to figure out if it's worth it.
Let me put it that way.
I'm still on the fence about, if you Ijoked before that if I just spent the
amount of time that I spent on YouTubefor the first three years, If I spent
even just half of the time I spent simplywalking around the parking lot of my
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grocery store, looking for loose change, Iwould have made way more money doing that.
So if you're doing it to earn revenue.
You're going to have to be incrediblylucky, or you're just so exceptionally
talented, more talented than anyone elsedoing the thing that you're doing, and
maybe you are, but it's not a get, this isgoing full circle what you said, it's not
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a get rich quick scheme, and if you wantto make money in these media worlds, you
almost have to be financed by someone, youhave to pay somebody else a lot of money,
And so you're going to be profit sharing.
I guys, every week I get multiple emailsand we get emails on the podcast email and
also on the emails for slick web media.
I just dozens and dozens anddozens of companies wanting to do
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a sponsorship thing or wanting meto pay them to, Oh, we can expand
your viewership by blah, blah, blah.
It's just like all these people,they're just trying to make money too.
I get it.
That's their business.
And maybe I have to do that ifI ever want to really grow this.
But it gets complicated and there arealso lots of people who want to jump on
your shoulders and let you carry them in.
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Yeah, absolutely.
And I think that's, I'm going to pushback a little bit on that because, Ooh, on
that idea, no, it's not a pushback, but.
It's if I knew what I knewnow, I would never have started
becoming a professional podcaster.
Like I never, if I knew how muchwork was going to have to go into it
when I started this eight years ago,but here's the weird part about it.
When I look back or when I lookand see what I've been part
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of like, that's really cool.
Yeah.
And it grows on.
So yes.
You probably shouldn't start thatgarage band because you're probably
statistically not going to be successful.
Let me clarify.
If you're doing these thingsto earn a lot of money, I would
say you should reconsider.
Exactly.
Because it's very difficult to do that.
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But if you do it because you care aboutit, you're passionate, you enjoy it.
Or you're trying to dosomething for someone else or
you're good at it, then sure.
That's, those are the reasonsreally why I keep doing it.
And also, I've learned so muchthrough this process, which I think
you just alluded to for yourself.
I've built myself some interestingskill sets, and I've added a lot
of knowledge about a lot of things.
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And, I've learned from a lot ofother people and I'm still learning.
That's really cool.
If you want to learn and you enjoy seeingnew things, meeting new people and stuff,
then that is a good reason to resell.
Reselling part time, you can make money.
So we got off in the rabbit hole ofcreating media and creating content.
But to bring it back to the wholepurpose of this podcast, which is to
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talk about the buying and selling youcertainly can make money doing it.
But back to our originalpoint, don't get lost in the
trenches, don't get stuck there.
You don't have to sit there and eatrats and whatever, like it did in World
War one, get out of that, get out ofthat trench and go for a vacation.
Give yourself a break because you'llcome back with a completely fresh, new
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perspective and you'll have energy.
That's been my experience this week.
And I want to say thatit's really important.
You've all heard this.
So this is not newinformation, but have a plan.
Plan for the times that you needto take off, plan for how I want
to do these things, but I only haveso much time and you look at your
day and you say, I need downtime.
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I need an hour.
My wife knows that I need an hour everyday just to read, just to down, just
to shut my brain off for a little bit.
You need to build that into your schedule.
You can't.
In a sense, it's like saving money.
If you, they alwayssay, did your plan fail?
Did you fail the plan?
And in a sense, it's the same thing.
If Matt and I didn't do the work we'vebeen doing, we wouldn't be where we are.
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But if we did the work thatwe were doing to make millions
of dollars that's dumb, right?
What you said about learningfrom it is the key, and that's
the whole purpose of this show.
We want people to engage in that andsay, we do a Reddit subreddit, and
it's, I haven't really promoted orpushed it yet, but I really want people
from this show to get on that Reddit.
And the reason is because I do thinkwe have a lot to learn from each other.
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Oh, yeah.
And if you haven't been on Reddit,Reddit can be, a crazy rabbit hole too.
Cool.
But it, our entire reason fordoing the Reddit is so that other
resellers can talk to each other andsay, Hey, this is what I'm seeing.
These are the items that I'mseeing that are selling or not.
And here's one last point.
I think this is really important.
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I think the reason why that youare successful, it's a little bit
philosophical, Matt, so bear with me.
Okay.
Is that you, I love thatyou call people cousins.
We're all in this together.
If it's just about a dog eat dog worldand I'm just trying to get something from
you then you're not my cousin, right?
My cousin, Eric, great guy would neverever screw him over in a business deal.
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I love him.
That's your cousin.
And if you think abouteverybody in that way.
You might not make as much moneyin the short term, but you're going
to, you're going to be a betterperson for it in the long run.
And everyone's going to have something.
I think that our, our world, whetherit's very obvious or very subversive,
our Western culture seems to be somuch about gaining wealth or power
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at the expense of other people.
Get yours and use whoever orwhatever you need to get that.
And.
You're right.
If we viewed everyone as family, thenwe would not feel okay doing that.
And I think that's alesson to us in this world.
And this is, goes back to why I don't tryto just haggle people and get quick deals.
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I want to build relationshipswith people because.
In the world I want to live in, Iwant to leave these interactions
and having felt good about what Igot out of it and them having felt
good about what they got out of it.
It's, I want it to be a winwin, if at all possible.
It shouldn't be me walking away feelinggood about taking advantage of them and
(35:50):
them not knowing it until later or ever.
It's not how I want to interact withpeople and I hope that that comes across.
On our YouTube channel on thechannels and on this is that guys,
it's great to do things to make alittle bit of income for your family,
but this is not about being rich.
This is not about making more.
This is not about takingadvantage of other people.
(36:11):
This is, I'll give tips sometimesto show how I can, I strategize and
how that helped me at times, but.
And feel free to call me out if youever notice that I'm being hypocritical
and something pops up, I really wantto know because I want to be able to
live out the things that I'm saying.
I think that there is a place where wecan all do better for ourselves when
(36:33):
it comes to buying and selling things.
And.
I want the person purchasing the itemto be happy with what they got, or the
person who sold it to me to be happywith what they earned at the same time.
That's a really good word.
One of the reasons that we're talkingabout this this week is because Matt
has had a forced Stoppage in work.
And we are, we're doing a little bit of adifferent show in the sense that we're not
(36:56):
going to show what sold this week, becauseit's what didn't sell, why didn't it sell?
Cause I didn't do any, and somethings did sell, but the idea is
sometimes it's okay to not sell.
Sometimes it's okay totake care of yourself.
Sometimes it's the most important thingis to take care of yourself and it
(37:17):
doesn't don't wait until it's a crisis.
Don't wait until you're having panicattacks and you don't know why.
Check in on yourself a little bitmore often than that, get feedback.
I don't believe there's anythingsuch thing as a self made person.
I just do not believe it.
Anybody who gets ahead or hasthe plans that they are able to
see come to fruition, had theassistance of somebody else.
(37:40):
That's just how it is.
I couldn't do this podcastwithout you, Brandon.
I couldn't have had the success on theYouTube channel without Peaches, without
my spouse being okay with me taking thetime, without my children sacrificing
some time with dad so that I could do itwithout people who had stores at prices
that made sense for me to buy so thatI could buy those things and sell them.
(38:02):
I'm not a self made person.
I got into this job out of desperationbecause I lost a job, which is not the
position that I think anyone listeningshould get into this type of business.
But I didn't have a choice, or ratherI chose to do this out of desperation
rather than something else, but I didn'tcome into it with a plan of action.
(38:23):
I'm where I am.
Because a lot of peoplehelped me along the way.
And that is a big reasonwhy we do this podcast.
A big reason why we do the YouTube isthat there are other people out there,
not as in dire circumstances as I was.
And frankly, I wasn't in terriblydire circumstances because I'm
blessed to have family and friendsand things that if I was at the end.
(38:44):
They would help me through financially,luckily, but if you're in a situation,
you can do this type of work.
It's not that hard.
Don't let it become your entirelife because that's not healthy.
And we're going to be doing a series ofshows about, and some things coming up,
I mentioned there's some things comingup, but about how do you start, like Matt
(39:04):
started out of desperation and was saying,but there was a whole lot of lessons
learned along the way, which is whatyou've been showing people and everything.
But we're going tostart with the baseline.
Of day one, man, you'restarting the business.
Yeah.
What do we do?
So we're really looking forward to that.
We're looking forward tocontinuing this journey.
We hope we do it for a lot longer, butlike Matt said, you just never know.
(39:26):
Keep the comments coming.
It's great to hear from you guys.
Remember that if you want to emailus at what's old podcast at gmail.
com.
We're always there.
Can't promise.
We're going to answer you right awaybecause we're both obviously slammed
busy with a million different things,but we do really appreciate it.
Tell a friend.
It really helps us.
Our show has been growing.
I tell Matt the metrics all the time.
(39:46):
I'm always amazed.
I'm like, I can't believe that manypeople are listening and it's cool.
We know that it's not for everybody,but we know that it's for somebody.
So we really appreciate you guystaking the time to listen to us.
We'll be back with a brand new shownext week, and we look forward to
sharing more ways to make money selling.
Awesome.
Take care, everyone.
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