March 14, 2023 • 55 mins
For decades people around the globe have insisted that they were abducted and, via implants, tagged like animals. Join the guys as they interview documentarian Jeremy Corbell about his experience diving into the strange world of alleged abduction and implants in his new film, Patient Seventeen.
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
Oh, this week's classic episode. This is a great wood Man.
This is a little bit of an historical moment for
stuff they don't want you to know. Far far before
our pal Jeremy Corbell began his own podcast, he reached
out to us. He did, and we met him for
the first time. We talked to him for the first time,
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and we did a large amount of that on air
when we were talking about a video series he made.
I think it was a specific video that he had created,
a movie about implants like potentially extraterrestrial implants, pieces of
metal or materials left behind in people who've had abduction experiences. Yeah,
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Patient seventeen and Jeremy's fantastic guy. We still chat with
each other. You can check out his newest project, Weaponized
with George Knapp. In the meantime, we hope you enjoy
this conversation we had within quite a few years ago
about alien abductions and implants, from UFOs to psychic powers
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and government conspiracies. History is riddled with unexplained events. You
can turn back now or learn the stuff they don't
want you to know. Hello, welcome back to the show.
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My name is Matt, my name is null. They call
me Ben, you are you? And that makes this stuff
they don't want you to know. Today we are delving
into something that I am frankly surprised we have never
not once covered on this show. Is it because of
my crippling fear of surgery? You know that's a really
great point. Yeah, we're discussing alien abductions and possible implantation today, everybody,
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and we're not doing it alone. As you know, friends
and neighbors in the audience, we are big fans of
pursuing primary sources and we want to hear from the
experts and maybe today we'll even learn whether or not
we have unknown implants. So today on the show, we
have a very special guest, an investigative filmmaker that we're
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all huge fans of. Matt would you do the honors? Absolutely?
Dan the show, we have Jeremy Corbell. He's made several
films throughout his career. He is a martial artist and
was for a very long time, and there are some
fascinating things we're going to get into later about that
we're specifically talking about is his series of films called
Extraordinary Beliefs, where he doves into various aspects of the Unknown,
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and today specifically, we're talking about one entry in that
series called Patient seventeen. Please welcome to the show, Jeremy Corbell. Hello, gentlemen,
thanks for having me on. Big fan of your show,
excited to be part of it. Well, thanks so much,
Thanks so much for coming on the show Patient seventeen,
which deals in an investigatory documentary and style with the
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concept of highly advanced implants. This, for a lot of
people sounds like something they would They probably heard rumors about.
Maybe they've they've read some things, they might have seen
some clips online of someone who believes they found an implant,
or that they have witnessed an abduction even but Patient
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seventeen dives into the human side of it, objectively examining
the facts and the claims in the narrative from these patients.
Could you tell us a little bit about what inspired
you to take the steps on this journey. Yeah. Absolutely.
I mean this is for me a very obscure topic.
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Even looking into and investigating in the UFO field for
many years, I didn't want to touch this topic with
a ten foot pull. It was outside of the scope
of any part of my imagination. Let's back up, just
one moment, which is that my whole series is called
Extraordinary Beliefs, And in this work, what I try to
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do is I seek out ordinary people, hopefully of high credibility,
with extraordinary beliefs. That's the basic idea of this series
that I'm creating and have been creating for a long time.
During that process, I was approached by a very famous
doctor in the field of ufology named doctor Roger Lear.
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And he's been a man who had cut out sixteen
alleged alien implants. They alleged them to be nanotechnological devices
that help monitor the human race. I mean, this is
an extraordinary claim, and he's an ordinary He was an
ordinary guy. He just had a really interesting life. So
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at first I said no, multiple times, and then you know,
he convinced me. He said, Jeremy, I've been going through
this for over two decades. There's something to it. And
so I said, Okay, I'm gonna film this. I'm gonna
film your seventeenth surgery, which sadly ended up being his
final and last surgery, as he had a heart attack
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and died during the production. And he was a good
friend and so it was sad to see him go
but during that process I came at it. If you
watched the film with almost some real dry humor, some
skepticism in it, that was, you know, to me, it
was odd. This whole thing was like a circus. But
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when I met Patient seventeen, that was the moment when
I realized I needed to do this story. Because Patient
seventeen is what you'd imagine to be an average person,
not the kind of person. He is above every height,
but he's otherwise, He's an average person. He's like a
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giant's six foot nine. I call him my giant friend.
But we've become really good friends. And he really compelled
me to continue on this case and follow this as
far as I can, and that's what you see in
the film Patient seventeen. Can you talk a little bit
about how patient seventeen came to know about doctor Lear
and maybe even a step back before you talk about that,
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how he came to be aware that there was something
in his body that was alien, for lack of a
better term, something foreign like an object that was causing
him physical pain at a particular time in his life,
and than how he took that and you know, basically
sought out the services of this very specific type of surgeon. Yeah,
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well that's really interesting. He didn't seek out the surgeon.
Patient seventeen had abductive experiences his whole life. This is
something that he kept private, even from family and friends.
He said, it's a very difficult thing to talk about
because everybody thinks you're crazy, or if you're religious, they
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think that you no longer believe in God if you
talk about aliens. So he really is a kind of quiet,
you know, silent cowboy type. You know, he has a
sense of kind of inner reservation. He remains and was
at the very beginning of this filming and throughout the film,
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he and I are the biggest skeptics of what we're witnessing,
even the patient himself. So he had abductive experiences, which
he can't deny. He is convinced those experiences are real.
But the object in his leg was causing him or
he was feeling pain in his leg and got some
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X rays and CT scans and they found this foreign
body that was denser than bone and it was an alloy,
we later found out. But the issue was he didn't
equate the two at all, and then it was just
happenstance that he was doing some of his work over
at someone's house who knew about doctor Lear, and I
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guess he saw some UFO posters or something on the
screen and told the guy the story and they connected
him with doctor Lear. So he didn't think that it
was connected to his abductive experiences, but there were times
in the operating room where his eyes became as big
as fly and saucers man because there were some strange
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things afoot that day and since then, Wow, I just
want to ask you about the surgery itself. You show
an establishing shot in the documentary of a specific hospital
where I guess the surgery took place. When you're in
there with doctor Lear and patient seventeen and the other surgeon,
does it feel different, like a different operation than anything
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you can imagine as being I guess whatever you could
call a normal procedure. Is it something like they're renting
space in the hospital or is it a place where
doctor Lear works? Can you just tell me a little
bit about that. Sure, it was actually quite casual. I
mean these days, surgeons oftentimes do rent out surgical facilities
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in order to conduct their business, so it was in
a sense just private and casual. But the tide turned
when a bunch of you know, UFO crowds came into
the waiting room and we had journalists who were not
authorized to be there, you know, with cameras trying to
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push in. It became a circus. And that's really what
emotionally bonded me with doctor Lear and with the patient.
Was kind of getting people out who weren't supposed to
be there, and I snuck Patient seventeen out the back door.
He and I kind of made a bee line out
the back door after the surgery because he does not
want attention. He does not want this to be associated,
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you know, with his everyday life. He just wants to
ride his motorbikes and have his normal life. So the
surgery itself was very casual. But some of the things
that occurred during the surgery and the emotions people went through,
such as patients seventeen, that's what was highly unusual. And
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if you want, we can follow the format of what
you guys talk about, you know, here are the facts.
I can go through the facts and then I can
tell you where it gets crazy. Oh please do we'd
love to hear it. Okay, So the facts with this
very bizarre aspect of what I call the phenomenon. To
UFOs is part of what I call the phenomenon. It's
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kind of a catch all term about the apparent display
that we have been experiencing since at least the beginning
of recorded human history. You know, lights in the sky,
these interactions with other non human intelligences. When you put
all of these together, that's what I call the phenomenon.
So here are the facts. You know, millions of people
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claim not only alien extraterrestrial they believe interaction, but also abduction.
It's not something that is so far off the scope
that it doesn't reach a huge amount of the population
here on Earth. Something to note about that. Again, here
are the facts. John Mack, who is the former head
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of psychiatry at Harvard University, openly talked about this, wrote
books about this. He was a great voice before he
died for the true look at this phenomena. He actually,
from a psychological standpoint, did thorough testing on all of
these abduction claims and found that this was not fictitious,
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it was not a psychological disorder, and it was not
a fabrication in any way that these experiences were. Indeed,
how happening to the people claiming them. He even went
on Oprah Wintry one time and they talked about it
with one of these objects. So I started looking into that,
and I'm thinking, okay, well, brider minds than me took
it seriously. Let me at least give it a fair shake.
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Another fact, you know, this film is about doctor Roger
Lear and the surgical removal and scientific analysis of this
alleged alien implant. And you know his team does in
fact believe that these are highly advanced nanotechnological devices cut
out of people. And the one thing, and I think
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this is important as far as facts about UFOs, because
we really don't have that many facts. I think there's
one thing I can stand behind, which is that the
one thing we know we know for certain about UFOs
is that they represent a huge amount of energy and
a small amount of space, and this is recognized by
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our Department of Defense. There are unclassified documents that convey
this clearly. So we know factually that this phenomena of
discs in the sky or interaction with non humans, we
know that this is happening. Can we trust it? Well,
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that's where it gets crazy. Yeah. One of the things
you point out in there is in the film is
is truth? Something that is can ever really be known?
And I think that's something that we tackle on this show,
and you really look into it in this film. My goodness,
you do, all right. So, speaking of these facts and
kind of staying in this realm here, when patient seventeen
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had this surgery, had the small piece removed from his leg,
what happened to it then? So right after the people
of this foreign body that was cut out of his leg,
it was put into a serum of his own blood
cells for preservation. And the first move is we went
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down to Seal laboratories and use their scanning electron microscope.
And for me, that was one of the first times
I got to witness the really close up analysis of something.
You get a little bit of spectral analysis, so you
get a little bit of knowledge of what this thing
is made of. I thought we were going to get
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all the answers that day. I think so did patients seventeen.
But there's highly advanced equipment to determine different things like
isotopic analysis, which turned out to be very important that
can't be done just with a scanning electron microscope. So
the first thing we did was went down to Seal
laboratories and we looked at it under high magnification and
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tried to get a basic fundamental spectral analysis to understand
and is this object interesting or anomalist? In fact, is
it even an alloy? The really strange part that happened
in the surgical room that I witnessed with my own eyes,
now I'm going to put a caveat to this. They
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were scanning. I mean, look, I thought it was funny
as hell. They were using a stud finder to stray
to find this object and that's that's a construction tool.
And let me tell you, they weren't even using it right.
So from the rights of that, I was just cracking
up and like I kind of got a bad dealing
in my stomach. And I was like, guys, before you
cut into him, you'll hear this in the film and
people laugh at the right moments. But you know, I said,
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you know, do you have proper optics, like, you know,
do you have ultrasound optics? And they're like, yes, of course,
we're going to find exactly where it is. So I'm
already like what is going on here? But they used
a Gauss meter, a Gauss meter measures, you know, to
a very small degree electromagnetic frequency, just the basics. So
I took it to my camera. I just wanted to
see the batteries of my camera made this thing ding.
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Sure enough when it was in his body. Every time
they took this over his leg, you got a frequency
or you got a ding. So there's two possible situations here.
One is they're misusing that like they were the stud finder,
or this thing was actually emitting frequency. And I have
absolutely no way to tell you from just visual and
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being a novice at this time to all of these techniques.
But it was something that made our eyes go big. Okay,
well let's get this thing out. But the first real
look at it from the analysis was at Steal Laboratory
looking at this landscape. I mean it appeared to me
on the screen like you know pictures you see of
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the topography of the moon. It was interesting. And at
this point in our story, another character enters the narrative,
and that would be Steve Colbern. Could you tell us
a little bit about Steve Wow, Well, I have learned
a lot about Steve Colburn since the filming. Actually, he's
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a very controversial character, and you might recall, and I
don't want to give it away. I want people to
watch the film. But there's a moment in the film
when he is reading the analysis to patient seventeen, and
patient seventeen just looks like furious. I mean, he just
looks like the most skeptical human, the most skeptical six
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foot nine human you've ever seen. But there's a moment
right after that, and you can't make this stuff up
where he discloses. Steve Colburn discloses something to me and
I am just utterly shocked because it changes everything. And
so I'm not going to give that away, but I'll
just say that he was Roger Lear's lead scientific advisor
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for the analysis. Because they did sixteen objects prior to
Objects seven team, and because I didn't have custodianship ever
of those other objects, it really puts into question the
reports of those objects, because once you get analysis, it
can be read in a variety of ways. It's actually
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open to interpretation in some ways. And what I didn't
say in the film, I don't believe I did. I
had this analysis looked at people from NASA, the head
meteorites specialist at UCLA, credible scientists many of whom would
not go on camera about this subject. But I had
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it looked at from a lot of different sources other
than just Roger's team after Roger passed away. So just
to stay on Steve for a moment. When he's introduced
in the film, he described himself as a material scientist
who works on carbon nanotubes in his primary job. So
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immediately you get this sense of Okay, this guy knows
what he's doing, he knows what he's talking about. I
trust this person as an expert in this field. Then
you get a little bit further and I don't want
to I hope this isn't spoiling anything, but I want
to read just a quote that he states in the film.
The ultimate goal is to heck the alien Internet. We
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have reason to believe that there's a complex web of
communication between aliens and some supercomputer someplace, and abductees are
also plugged into the system. And it's just kind of
like what it's just like he seems to drop that
like a bomb out of the blue, and it doesn't
really come up again, and it's fascinating to think about,
but it also kind of makes you think, maybe this
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guy's got a little bit of an axe to grind
a little bit of a personal motivation, and the way
he's communicating with patients seventeen and with you as a filmmaker,
and that's the contention that you feel in that room,
with that revelation that occurs when he's reading him the results.
You know, these are complex in individuals, and they as
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a documentary filmmaker, they revealed to me little bits, and
as I pursue them as a subject, more and more
tends to be revealed. That was a jaw dropping moment
for me hearing that theory of these alleged implants. Now,
all of that aside, my singular goal was to get
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the object into credible labs for blind testing of elemental
analysis and isotopic analysis, because those facts do not lie
if they're not tainted with error, and so this is
kind of my motivation is to show the human side
of it, to show the belief systems of these individuals,
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show what they're going through, show what they do, show
what they tell, and then have the audience decide whether
or not you give weight, because convincing somebody, you know,
proof for one person is vastly different than proof for
another person. We all require different elements of proof in
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order to be convinced of something, and that's the fun.
That's the fun of telling a story purely as a
documentary filmmaker is letting the audience decipher themselves well, speaking
of those different types of proof that people in their
life seek. There's a real progression in the film in
the I Guess character for lack of better word, of
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Patient seventeen. He seems to go from being kind of
on the fence about the nature of the foreign object
in his body, and while he does seem to believe
that some abduction experiences did take place earlier in his life,
he kind of seems a little bit more skeptical at
first before the surgery happens, and then as the film progresses,
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it feels as though his religious faith is actually being
challenged by this notion of this thing in his body.
He makes a comment about how you know, if there
are aliens, then basically all bets are off as far
as my belief system goes. My question to you is,
with being surrounded by the supposed experts who are feeding
him information and describing what they see as evidence, is
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there a sense that you know he was maybe being
manipulated in a way that could be a detriment to
his mental well being, And how do you square that
with the film that you're making. Yeah, well, luckily, you know,
he and I were kind of teammates in this. We'd
do an interview, we'd step outside and we talk it through,
and we decide how much weight to give one person's
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opinion compared to the other. You know, we were truly
and are truly seeking to define exactly what was taken
out of his leg. I do see him struggle from
time to time with everything from faith to his own
personal belief system. I mean, he is sure that he
has had abductive experiences. This is something that's been with
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him his whole life. And typically this is generational. So
if you find, like John Mack, did you know a
hundred people claiming abductive experiences, even if they haven't asked
their family genetically, it seems their parents, their mother and
father or grandparents would also have these experiences. So that
the short answer is yes, you did see in the
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film a little bit when I directly asked him, would
this shake the foundations of your faith if this turned
out to be something not from here? And he says, yes,
I think it could. But at the same time, you know,
he's a truth seeker. He wants to know, and as
far as manipulation of his thoughts, I mean you can
see his sense of humor. I hope you caught this.
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This was for me one of the funniest moments in
the movie, and there is a lot of humor in
there if you catch it. Steve Coleburn was going through
the analysis and he was kind of arguing with Patients
seventeen it seemed like about the origin of this object.
And then Steve just says, do you think your pain
was initiated by your nervous system by this device, you know,
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to punish you in some way? And Patient seventeen just
looks directly at the camera the only time he did
in the whole film, and he goes, well, you know,
I've been a bad boy. Yeah. Yeah. His sense of humor,
I think, really he has a great sense of humor,
and I think his sense of humor really allowed him
to separate, you know, the immediate emotion of being told
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things like he was being told. During the filmmaking process.
One of the questions that we know our audience is
wondering as they listen to our interview today is going
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to be for people who believe that there is an
extraterrestrial origin these sort of implants, One of the most
immediate questions becomes to what end, for what? For what
purpose would this would this practice of abduction and implantation occur?
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And we were hoping that you could give us a
few words and your perspective of these beliefs and what
what the motivation is seen as being. So you're asking
me what the motivation of these alleged non humans would
be to implant humans with some alleged nano technological chip.
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Is that precisely? What's a simple question, Jeremy, Come on,
well the question, yeah, that's that's uh, that's it in
one because the ideas, Okay, let's let's say that this
is the case, then why would why would individuals be abducted? Yeah,
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what's the purpose of this? At least in the eyes
of people who believe these racks your trustrial in origin? Okay,
So it is a simple question on face value, But
when you really want to look at this with any sincerity,
that becomes a not a simple question, that becomes a
that goes into the field of broad speculation because the
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fact is we don't know if this is true, which
is something that I have not swallowed that pill yet.
But if this is true, then we can only speculate
on the purpose of this. Now you have to look
at it from psychological and physical. The phenomenon itself seems
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to be occurring in patterns of reinforcement over time. This
is well documented by the author Jacques Valet. He's a
colleague of mine. He takes a scientific approach, and in fact,
one of the reasons we've recently bonded on looking into
this stuff is because he is currently doing elemental and
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ice topic analysis on fifteen samples of anomalous aerial vehicles
or UAPs or UFOs that have crashed or landed. So
this work is being done. The reason someone would be
chipped and tagged like a deer or an animal or
a whale or a shark, like we do as humans
on Earth, your guests is as good as mine. It
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seems very kind of rudimentary to me. If there's an
advanced intelligence engaging humanity, I understand the psychological operations of
these waves of UFOs to create some sort of understanding
within humanity that makes sense that the chipping and tagging.
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Don't you think there would be a better way? But
that's you know, look, I'm coming at this saying let's
look at this and try to see what we can
find out. But your guess is frankly as good as mine. Well,
there's a lot of talking in the film too, about
the idea that some of these devices emit frequency, and
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can you talk a little bit about that, about the
idea of this being nanotechnology, about being some kind of
active electronics rather than just a fragment of some kind,
because I mean, I could even I would maybe even
be more inclined to believe that it was a byproduct
of some kind of abduction or like some scrap of
material that was lodged into somebody's body. But then there's
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also talk of like there's no entry wound or anything
like that. Talk a little bit about some of the
possibilities of what these might be hypothetically, sure, I mean,
because look, there is a lot of people you know
that come forwards saying they have all sorts of alien implants.
This is something hit people write to me about. You know,
every week I get a new email. Now that there
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are a lot of foreign bodies that are in people
and they don't know them. I mean the old pencil
lead in the hand thing somebody I knew he was.
Her grandfather was the oldest living human with a bullet
still in his book Rain, you know, is in the
Guinness Booker World Record. There are foreign objects that get
into people's bodies, and sometimes they don't see an entry wound,
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or an entry wound would never be apparent years down
the line. I mean, this could be road rash. Was
what we were thinking. The joke between me in patient
seventeen is, after all of this, what if we find
out it was just a Tonka truck, you know, something
that it slipped on as a kid. That's obviously the
first thing we're looking at is is this a piece
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of pencil lead? Is this a piece of a nail?
Is this road rash? These are most likely going to
be the answers for ninety nine point nine percent of
the population, Oddly enough, because I can't talk about the
other sixteen removals that doctor Lear did, but I can't
talk about seventeen because when he died, I picked up
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the ball. Nobody was doing it, so I had it
sent I had it sent to Northern Analytics, and there
are great laboratory and they did not know what they
were testing. And I was shocked that No, this was
not a piece of pencil lead. No this was not
road rash, No this was not a Tonka truck. In fact,
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the evidence that we acquired and it's one scientific test,
you need to get many more, at least three to
make sure that there was not contamination in the test.
But as stands now, the first test that we have
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definitively shows two things of significance in my opinion, and
those who this is their wheelhouse, One is that this
object has thirty six different elements in it. Primarily the
object is iron. From what I understand, if you just
took like a common nail, maybe you'd get five different alloys.
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I have not tested a basic nail under broad spectrum
elemental analysis, but this is what I'm hearing from the
people that actually do this analysis every day. More importantly,
Oh and by the way, I'll just tell you a
funny story. I was at UCLA and having a beer
after talking with the head meteorite specialist to rule out
that this was meteoric iron, because that's what was being
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told to patient seventeen and in fact, it's not meteoric iron.
I asked one of the world's specialists. He heads the
Museum of Meteorites at UCLA, and it is not meteoric iron.
So that was really cool to cross that off the list.
But as I'm sitting there looking through the results and
nano talks, ecologist just a dude sat down next me
while I was having my beer, saw me looking through
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it and goes what you're looking at? And I go, hey, well,
what do you think of this? This was an optic
found in a dude's body because he told me he
was a nanotoxicologist. And I said, would you want this
out if it was in you? And he's looking through
it and he's like, yes, you'd want this out. I
just has like arsenic and heavy metals and irridium and
all sorts of things. So the elements themselves, having thirty
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six elements playing nicely together in a single small sample,
you know, that was interesting. But what got really interesting,
and again this is it is really simple, is the
isotopic analysis. Would it be appropriate to just explain that
really simply absolutely tell us about, you know, how elements
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are made up in neutrons when also about nanoman right,
Oh yeah, well we gotta get the nano man. But
first let's start with the isotopic analysis based on the
number of neutrons in the nucleus. Is that correct? So
from what I understand, if you cut a piece of
mountain and you pull out, you know, the zinc, there
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are going to be five different isotopic structures within that
zinc here on Earth. Four can be tested for their ratios, right,
and these create like the isotopes will stabilize the zinc.
So we have zinc sixty four, zinc sixty six, sixty
seven to sixty eight. That's what you can test for,
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and that's what we did test for. So my understanding
and the way it's been explained to me by numerous professionals,
is that you're gonna get a certain terrestrial ratio and
in fact, this is going to be homogeneous on Earth.
So there's going to be a certain percentage of zinc
sixty four in any sample from Earth. And you can
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look at this, you know, just look up on Wikipedia.
If you're one percent outside the terrestrial ratio, that's when
they say, yeah, this is not from here. If the
tests are correct, and in fact, you can tell a
little bit about distance because of our supernova creating these
elements the way they are on Earth, just about how
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far these ratios of isotopes will convey that information to you.
And so what was so fascinating about this was that
in the zinc sixty four ratio that we got, we
got far above what would be considered terrestrial. So we
got fifty one point one percent. The terrestrial ratio for
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zinc sixty four is forty eight point sixty four percent.
So even with the standard or relative standard deviation which
you have to apply because of the machines that are
being used, that puts us well outside the terrestrial ratio
for zinc sixty four, either above or below with that
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standard relative deviation. So essentially, to make that really really simple,
if you go to the Moon and you collect sixty four,
it's going to be a different ratio than here on Earth.
If you go to the Andromeda galaxy and you collect
zinc sixty four, it's going to be a different ratio
than it is here on Earth. So that's what was
so fascinating to me, is that we get this scientific
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analysis back and any way you hut it above or
below with the standard deviation, we have zinc that appears
to be non terrestrial, which is so bizarre. So I
went to my mentor, George Knapp, he's an investigative journalist
in this field but also just in his normal life
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in Las Vegas, and he said to me, you have
to get more tests. You need to know quantify this
as best as possible. He said to look, it's our
job to investigate the unexplained, not explain the uninvestigated, keep investigating.
So I thought that was a great Yeah. I thought
that was a great quote because a lot of people
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don't do that. They jump, you know, obviously to conclusions.
So you know, back to these terrest ural ratios. I
started doing some research on the Internet and trying to
find academic papers on zinc sixty four and I hit
pay dirt. Man. I found this guy. He is now
a medical doctor Middle America, and he wrote this definitive
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paper on extraterrestrial zinc. Because we study extraterrestrial zinc isotopes
and isotopes in general all the time here on Earth,
we study them from meteorites, so we have comparables, and
so it's so funny I found this this doctor, and
he wrote this definitive paper, but it was like so
long ago, I mean, I don't know, maybe twelve years ago,
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as part of a thesis. And I come calling him
up at his medical practice asking him about how we
could have results like this, and this guy was just
rolling his eyes in the back of his head. And
his conclusion to me was essentially that the lab did
not triplewash the zinc sixty four and that in fact,
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nickel sixty four ken contaminate the results of zinc sixty four.
And I was like, perfect, I have an answer. That's
a real answer. So I went back to the laboratory,
called the guys that did the analysis and I said,
will you take a look at the results for me?
Will you tell me the process you went through? And
they stand by their results. They did triple wash it.
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It's in the notes, and it's my problem what the
results are. I mean, that was their their standpoint to me,
so clearly, clearly I need to get more analysis done.
But the journey towards that is what this film is about.
And you do get some answers in the film, some
really interesting answers, but it's a mystery. This whole thing
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truly is a bona fide mystery. It really is a
huge mystery. And I want to ask you something that
seems extremely simple and something that maybe somebody watching film
wouldn't think about. But how confident are you that the
sample taken from patients seventeens leg is the exact same
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sample that was then tested with the isotopic stuff and
then test it again. Chain of command? Yeah, yeah, how confident?
Chain of custody? How confident are you that that's the
same object that now you know you've done all these
tests on because you also you weren't able to get
it back. You had a hard time like getting hold
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of it again to run more tests. Isn't that right?
Oh man? This yes, this is an ongoing battle. I
mean ongoing. When doctor Lear died, people started fighting over
custodianship of these samples. So, to answer your question directly,
that is a huge issue for me. That is a
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huge issue. As I've gone through this and I've learned more,
that is one of the questions that I have. I
know the sample, what it looks like, the container. I
know exactly what it looks like. I can identify that
with my own eyes, but getting it sent to a
credible laboratory and having it done. I mean I was
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not allowed to be there for that process, you know,
I mean nobody was. You know, it was sent to
the lab set X for that testing. So how can
you know definitively that is the same object. That's something
Patients seventeen and I keep going over. We currently do
know where the object is. These tests that we did
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were destructive, but there's plenty of object remaining to do
more tests. So my six foot nine giant friend and
I are banging on doors. We are trying to get
it back for further analysis. But this is one of
those things you have to then become a conspiracy theorist,
because let's say you were to switch out the sample
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and send it over, you just happen to have a
piece that is not a meteorite of extraterrestrial zinc sixty four.
I mean, that's crazier than the object being sent and
there being some sort of miscalculation. So this is a problem.
This is one of the things we're running into, is
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we need that sample back and we're trying to get
it back. So this is really this is a great
place for us to bring in a character that exists
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in your universe in several places, a gentleman that goes
by Nanoman. Yeah, could you tell us a little bit
about Nanoman how he figures into the larger context here. Yeah. Well,
so what I wanted to do in this movie is
I wanted to focus in on people who would go
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on camera, who had certain skill sets. Why Nanoman is
in my universe or on my radar is because I
started a documentary series on him probably about six years ago.
I was tipped off by a naval individual, somebody in
the Navy, and they have guided me before in my work.
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Highest ranking military official that I've ever been in contact with,
and they've always given me kind of good tips. There's
actually a current case that just made the news, and
we'll be making more news that I've been on for
quite some time thanks to tips like this. So the
tip was there's a guy, his name is Chris Cooper.
I call him Nano Man because I thought it was
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funny and he's kind of like a comic character for me.
He's a very intelligent nanophysicist. He was military funded to
a huge amount for doing work on nanotechnology and water filtration,
and in fact, the military used some of his product
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in order to you know, put out special teams that
can you know, kind of use water filters anywhere. You know.
He's kind of like this interesting guy. But I was
connected to him purely because of a propulsion device that
he was creating, called what he called it, the space drive.
And what it's really interesting about it is that he
was getting a forward reaction. He was getting forward thrust
(42:09):
without any pushback. It was in a vacuum, and he
couldn't figure out why. So my series was documenting the
trials and errors that he was making, the progress he
was making on this thing called the space Drive, which
was something that was of interest to the United States
Navy at that time. So that's the reason I started
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with him. It was purely propulsion and science, and he
has a very brilliant mind. And he later revealed to
me that in fact, what he was trying to do
with this device was create a spaceship, and then disclosed
to me that he was in possession of other nanomaterial
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that was anomalous and that he would give it to
me to take to NASA and have it analyzed. And
I thought this was like a joke because he handed
me pure it looked like pure water. It was ethanol,
and in fact, you'll see in one of my short
films about Nana Man, I did take it to NASA,
and I did take it to the NASA Nanotechnology Lab,
and we spent a whole day analyzing this stuff and
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we could visually verify that there was something quite odd
in what he gave me. So that was my first
introduction to Nano Man was following him through a series
of shorts that I've put out, although a feature film
will be coming out. So he was kind of a
guy that I knew that I could take the results too,
who wouldn't just disregard it. He would at least tell
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me his opinion openly about what it is that it
might be. And so that's why I brought him into
the movie. Was somebody to look at it without just
completely dismissing it. That's fantastic, and that's a that can
often be a challenge lenging thing to find someone who
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is truly objectively and open mindedly investigating something, especially if
there is a feeling of mystery for some For some
people that ends up functioning as a stigma. So without
without spoiling Patient seventeen which we're being pretty careful about.
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I love that you're pointing out how how doctor Kuber,
how nano man functions in the larger context of your work.
And this brings us to a couple of points that
we wanted to We wanted to ask you when we
were researching some of your other work and some of
your background and things that you have studied and written
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about in in this larger context. There's especially biographical detail
we wanted to ask you about that relates to our
earlier episode. Yeah, we and he did an episode on
Titanic conspiracies, and we were just looking through your IMDb
bio and it seems like you have a very interesting
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personal connection to that tragedy. Yeah. Actually, I do you
guys do your research. I guess so. I'm named after
Edward Lockyer. My friends and enemies call me for name.
My name is Jeremy Kenyon Locker Corbell and Lockyer was
after Edward Locker, and he was a passenger on the
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Titanic who did not make it. He did fall in love, actually,
interestingly enough, on the boat, and the passenger he fell
in love with was a woman that when the kind
of safety rafts were going down he reached out and
dropped her down because the boat was already going down.
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She broke both of her legs, but he threw her
his wallet and his watch, and years later she actually
came and found my grandmother's family and gave them back
the wallet and the watch and said, he told me
to tell you that he loves you, and that's how
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we know his story. For us, we wouldn't have known it.
I think it was passenger number fifty three if I recall, Wow,
I don't remember. Yeah, that's that's really really cool to hear.
I mean, and tragic, but also just what a piece
of history having that kind of connections. Pretty pretty ring.
Oh yeah, I was just I was just actually in Budapest.
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I premiered in Europe my film at the National Museum
of Denmark and gave a lecture about UFOs, which is
actually free on my website, Extraordinary Beliefs dot com. You
can watch that whole lecture. But when I was traveling
through Europe with my mom, which was cool. It was
like the drunk history of Europe. It was claric. We
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made it to Budapest and they have a Titanic museum
there and you could look up the names of the
passengers and that sort of thing. And yeah, so Edward Lockyer,
that was a pretty cool and he was actually a
grocer but also a boxer and he was coming over
on the Titanic for a fight for boxing. So that
was pretty neat because that is also in my history
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of Marshall Athletics, so I didn't learn that till much
later in life though. So just to stick on the
Marshall Athletics there, please, can you come back on sometime
and talk to us about Quantum jiu jitsu? Please? Sure?
Sure that was either the best or the dumbest move
I ever made, is naming my particular mma Quantum in
jiu jitsu. That created so much hell for me because
(47:41):
it sounds so strange. But you know, look, so did
Warrior Yoga. At the time I trademarked it in like
two thousand, you know, people were giving me hate mail
because in yoga, what do you mean Warrior? And you
know now like even companies have stolen the name and
that kind of thing. You know, it takes time for
people to advance and in their thoughts it's just a name.
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What's behind the name is more important. And yes, we
can always do a show. There's so much to say
about martial arts, because really martial arts is what trained
my and honed in on my skills to approach things
like journalism. Inch by inch. I was always kind of
the smaller and lighter weight fighter. You know, all my
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black belts that I've produced, they're like, you know, two
hundred and ten pound monsters of pure muscles. So in
order to convince them to train with me, I had
to beat them, and you know, continuously. So so I
learned very quickly that you know, martial arts like a
documentary an investigation. It's a matter of inch by inch
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life's assents. You know, yard by yard life is hard man. Well, seriously,
I mean, whether it's quantum jiu jitsu or any of
the subjects of some of the other films that you
made in your series, we would know, Joe love to
have you back as much as you would like to
be back. I think I speak for the group and
saying that, thank you so much for having this conversation
with us today, and let's end on one final question
(49:09):
here that I think our audience really wants to know.
You talked a little bit about the reaction to patient seventeen,
and we'd love to hear what kind of correspondence that
you've been receiving, if it's leading you in any interesting directions,
and in general, what are some of your future projects
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coming up? Oh? Absolutely, so. First thing I just want
to say is that the film Patient seventeen we've been
talking about. My one purpose in filmmaking initially was to
uplift the visual aesthetic so that when you watch these
films their true honest journalism, but that they show you
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the beliefs of people and they show you in a
way that is visually pleasing and fun to watch. So
I hope I achieved that, and I think I did
with Patient seventeen. A lot of people are watching it
now that it's on iTunes in the documentary section, people
can go rent it now. So that's the cool thing
is this movie is opening people up to a much
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more broad spectrum of my work. I will also say
that this mystery is far from over. I am on
this case, as is Patient seventeen. So you will get
a lot of information from this movie that will, I hope,
weaponize your curiosity so that you continue to look into
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these things. And it's kind of like how you guys
run your show. You're telling people what the facts are
and then where it gets crazy, and so hopefully there's
a similar tonality in the visual medium that I use
as film. Additionally, the future projects. I am so excited
you guys now that I have proper distribution, mass distribution
(50:55):
from my first film. I mean, I've been at this
a long time. Now you are going to see some
thing some areas in the field of ufology and beyond
that have been totally inaccessible to the average person for decades,
and this information will now be coming out. Specifically, I'm
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going to tell you two things. One Skinwalker Ranch, I
am working directly with the people closest to it. I
have been to the area and on I have been
given with my mentor George Knapp because of his book
that he wrote about it. We have been given the
first time ever access by the tribal nation of the
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Ute Indians in order to film on the premises on
the reservation the sovereign nation and bring that footage to
you and to the public. This has been an ongoing
project and it's highly informed. It's a separate website, Hunt
the Skinwalker dot Com, but you can get to it
from mine, but you will see never before seeing footage
(52:00):
and what's coming with that. So that is one thing
I'm really excited about. And the other thing, and this
is a big one, the Elvis of ufology. You know,
it's like as if you find Elvis alive and there
he is, you have in the public realm, probably three
hours of footage only because of George knapp On Bob Blazar,
one of the most famous names in eupology. Well, I'm
(52:23):
going to be very happy to be able to announce
very soon a definitive documentary on and with Bob Lazar. Wow. Wow,
you heard it here first Friends and neighbors. We're looking
forward to that, And Jeremy, We're going to have to
get an updates as this project coalesces, and whenever you're
(52:45):
ready to do an interview about it, we love to
hear from you. Awesome. Well, thank you guys for running
an exceptional show. As I said, I've been a fan
from your first video all the way up to the
one that you most recently put out your podcast. I
really am just like a kid in a candy store
excited to be on with you guys. Keep doing good work,
because the key here is is that people need to
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become participants in these mysteries and not just sit back
behind their keyboard and be consumers. People need to activate
and do whatever they can to help look into these
true mysteries that are occurring. You know, that's the problem
with peeking behind the curtain. Man. You can't unsee and
you can't unknow I've heard that before. Quote. Yes, thank
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you so much, Jeremy Corbell, the investigatory filmmaker behind Patient seventeen,
which is available now on iTunes, among other places. Is
there anywhere else people can get it or is that
kind of the primary point? Oh? Yeah, it's on a
whole bunch of pay per view platforms, from Xbox to
Amazon to Google Play to ones I've never even heard about.
(53:50):
But you can easily find it on iTunes. Documentary Well,
like we said, well maybe we didn't, Minister off Air.
I enjoyed it very much, both for the content and
the edic. It's a very well shot film. It's paced
in a very interesting and accessible way and very visually appealing,
and makes very good use of a Georgio Moroder track
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that I did in quite a lot, So props to
you for having good taste in the electronic music department
to Jeremy. And usually when we close the show, we
like to close with a way for the audience, all
of us listening out there to contact us or experts.
Is there a place where people could reach out to
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you directly, Jeremy. Absolutely so. If they go to Extraordinary
Beliefs dot com and they go to submit a note,
it'll be you know, info at Extraordinary Beliefs dot com
or editor at Extraordinary Beliefs dot com. But any email
that they send from my site will get to me.
That's perfect. So everybody right to us, right to Jeremy,
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Oh, this week's classic episode. This is a great wood Man.
This is a little bit of an historical moment for
stuff they don't want you to know. Far far before
our pal Jeremy Corbell began his own podcast, he reached
out to us. He did, and we met him for
the first time. We talked to him for the first time,
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and we did a large amount of that on air
when we were talking about a video series he made.
I think it was a specific video that he had created,
a movie about implants like potentially extraterrestrial implants, pieces of
metal or materials left behind in people who've had abduction experiences. Yeah,
(00:41):
Patient seventeen and Jeremy's fantastic guy. We still chat with
each other. You can check out his newest project, Weaponized
with George Knapp. In the meantime, we hope you enjoy
this conversation we had within quite a few years ago
about alien abductions and implants, from UFOs to psychic powers
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and government conspiracies. History is riddled with unexplained events. You
can turn back now or learn the stuff they don't
want you to know. Hello, welcome back to the show.
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My name is Matt, my name is null. They call
me Ben, you are you? And that makes this stuff
they don't want you to know. Today we are delving
into something that I am frankly surprised we have never
not once covered on this show. Is it because of
my crippling fear of surgery? You know that's a really
great point. Yeah, we're discussing alien abductions and possible implantation today, everybody,
(01:57):
and we're not doing it alone. As you know, friends
and neighbors in the audience, we are big fans of
pursuing primary sources and we want to hear from the
experts and maybe today we'll even learn whether or not
we have unknown implants. So today on the show, we
have a very special guest, an investigative filmmaker that we're
(02:21):
all huge fans of. Matt would you do the honors? Absolutely?
Dan the show, we have Jeremy Corbell. He's made several
films throughout his career. He is a martial artist and
was for a very long time, and there are some
fascinating things we're going to get into later about that
we're specifically talking about is his series of films called
Extraordinary Beliefs, where he doves into various aspects of the Unknown,
(02:44):
and today specifically, we're talking about one entry in that
series called Patient seventeen. Please welcome to the show, Jeremy Corbell. Hello, gentlemen,
thanks for having me on. Big fan of your show,
excited to be part of it. Well, thanks so much,
Thanks so much for coming on the show Patient seventeen,
which deals in an investigatory documentary and style with the
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concept of highly advanced implants. This, for a lot of
people sounds like something they would They probably heard rumors about.
Maybe they've they've read some things, they might have seen
some clips online of someone who believes they found an implant,
or that they have witnessed an abduction even but Patient
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seventeen dives into the human side of it, objectively examining
the facts and the claims in the narrative from these patients.
Could you tell us a little bit about what inspired
you to take the steps on this journey. Yeah. Absolutely.
I mean this is for me a very obscure topic.
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Even looking into and investigating in the UFO field for
many years, I didn't want to touch this topic with
a ten foot pull. It was outside of the scope
of any part of my imagination. Let's back up, just
one moment, which is that my whole series is called
Extraordinary Beliefs, And in this work, what I try to
(04:15):
do is I seek out ordinary people, hopefully of high credibility,
with extraordinary beliefs. That's the basic idea of this series
that I'm creating and have been creating for a long time.
During that process, I was approached by a very famous
doctor in the field of ufology named doctor Roger Lear.
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And he's been a man who had cut out sixteen
alleged alien implants. They alleged them to be nanotechnological devices
that help monitor the human race. I mean, this is
an extraordinary claim, and he's an ordinary He was an
ordinary guy. He just had a really interesting life. So
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at first I said no, multiple times, and then you know,
he convinced me. He said, Jeremy, I've been going through
this for over two decades. There's something to it. And
so I said, Okay, I'm gonna film this. I'm gonna
film your seventeenth surgery, which sadly ended up being his
final and last surgery, as he had a heart attack
(05:21):
and died during the production. And he was a good
friend and so it was sad to see him go
but during that process I came at it. If you
watched the film with almost some real dry humor, some
skepticism in it, that was, you know, to me, it
was odd. This whole thing was like a circus. But
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when I met Patient seventeen, that was the moment when
I realized I needed to do this story. Because Patient
seventeen is what you'd imagine to be an average person,
not the kind of person. He is above every height,
but he's otherwise, He's an average person. He's like a
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giant's six foot nine. I call him my giant friend.
But we've become really good friends. And he really compelled
me to continue on this case and follow this as
far as I can, and that's what you see in
the film Patient seventeen. Can you talk a little bit
about how patient seventeen came to know about doctor Lear
and maybe even a step back before you talk about that,
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how he came to be aware that there was something
in his body that was alien, for lack of a
better term, something foreign like an object that was causing
him physical pain at a particular time in his life,
and than how he took that and you know, basically
sought out the services of this very specific type of surgeon. Yeah,
(06:46):
well that's really interesting. He didn't seek out the surgeon.
Patient seventeen had abductive experiences his whole life. This is
something that he kept private, even from family and friends.
He said, it's a very difficult thing to talk about
because everybody thinks you're crazy, or if you're religious, they
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think that you no longer believe in God if you
talk about aliens. So he really is a kind of quiet,
you know, silent cowboy type. You know, he has a
sense of kind of inner reservation. He remains and was
at the very beginning of this filming and throughout the film,
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he and I are the biggest skeptics of what we're witnessing,
even the patient himself. So he had abductive experiences, which
he can't deny. He is convinced those experiences are real.
But the object in his leg was causing him or
he was feeling pain in his leg and got some
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X rays and CT scans and they found this foreign
body that was denser than bone and it was an alloy,
we later found out. But the issue was he didn't
equate the two at all, and then it was just
happenstance that he was doing some of his work over
at someone's house who knew about doctor Lear, and I
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guess he saw some UFO posters or something on the
screen and told the guy the story and they connected
him with doctor Lear. So he didn't think that it
was connected to his abductive experiences, but there were times
in the operating room where his eyes became as big
as fly and saucers man because there were some strange
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things afoot that day and since then, Wow, I just
want to ask you about the surgery itself. You show
an establishing shot in the documentary of a specific hospital
where I guess the surgery took place. When you're in
there with doctor Lear and patient seventeen and the other surgeon,
does it feel different, like a different operation than anything
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you can imagine as being I guess whatever you could
call a normal procedure. Is it something like they're renting
space in the hospital or is it a place where
doctor Lear works? Can you just tell me a little
bit about that. Sure, it was actually quite casual. I
mean these days, surgeons oftentimes do rent out surgical facilities
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in order to conduct their business, so it was in
a sense just private and casual. But the tide turned
when a bunch of you know, UFO crowds came into
the waiting room and we had journalists who were not
authorized to be there, you know, with cameras trying to
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push in. It became a circus. And that's really what
emotionally bonded me with doctor Lear and with the patient.
Was kind of getting people out who weren't supposed to
be there, and I snuck Patient seventeen out the back door.
He and I kind of made a bee line out
the back door after the surgery because he does not
want attention. He does not want this to be associated,
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you know, with his everyday life. He just wants to
ride his motorbikes and have his normal life. So the
surgery itself was very casual. But some of the things
that occurred during the surgery and the emotions people went through,
such as patients seventeen, that's what was highly unusual. And
(10:20):
if you want, we can follow the format of what
you guys talk about, you know, here are the facts.
I can go through the facts and then I can
tell you where it gets crazy. Oh please do we'd
love to hear it. Okay, So the facts with this
very bizarre aspect of what I call the phenomenon. To
UFOs is part of what I call the phenomenon. It's
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kind of a catch all term about the apparent display
that we have been experiencing since at least the beginning
of recorded human history. You know, lights in the sky,
these interactions with other non human intelligences. When you put
all of these together, that's what I call the phenomenon.
So here are the facts. You know, millions of people
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claim not only alien extraterrestrial they believe interaction, but also abduction.
It's not something that is so far off the scope
that it doesn't reach a huge amount of the population
here on Earth. Something to note about that. Again, here
are the facts. John Mack, who is the former head
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of psychiatry at Harvard University, openly talked about this, wrote
books about this. He was a great voice before he
died for the true look at this phenomena. He actually,
from a psychological standpoint, did thorough testing on all of
these abduction claims and found that this was not fictitious,
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it was not a psychological disorder, and it was not
a fabrication in any way that these experiences were. Indeed,
how happening to the people claiming them. He even went
on Oprah Wintry one time and they talked about it
with one of these objects. So I started looking into that,
and I'm thinking, okay, well, brider minds than me took
it seriously. Let me at least give it a fair shake.
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Another fact, you know, this film is about doctor Roger
Lear and the surgical removal and scientific analysis of this
alleged alien implant. And you know his team does in
fact believe that these are highly advanced nanotechnological devices cut
out of people. And the one thing, and I think
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this is important as far as facts about UFOs, because
we really don't have that many facts. I think there's
one thing I can stand behind, which is that the
one thing we know we know for certain about UFOs
is that they represent a huge amount of energy and
a small amount of space, and this is recognized by
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our Department of Defense. There are unclassified documents that convey
this clearly. So we know factually that this phenomena of
discs in the sky or interaction with non humans, we
know that this is happening. Can we trust it? Well,
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that's where it gets crazy. Yeah. One of the things
you point out in there is in the film is
is truth? Something that is can ever really be known?
And I think that's something that we tackle on this show,
and you really look into it in this film. My goodness,
you do, all right. So, speaking of these facts and
kind of staying in this realm here, when patient seventeen
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had this surgery, had the small piece removed from his leg,
what happened to it then? So right after the people
of this foreign body that was cut out of his leg,
it was put into a serum of his own blood
cells for preservation. And the first move is we went
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down to Seal laboratories and use their scanning electron microscope.
And for me, that was one of the first times
I got to witness the really close up analysis of something.
You get a little bit of spectral analysis, so you
get a little bit of knowledge of what this thing
is made of. I thought we were going to get
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all the answers that day. I think so did patients seventeen.
But there's highly advanced equipment to determine different things like
isotopic analysis, which turned out to be very important that
can't be done just with a scanning electron microscope. So
the first thing we did was went down to Seal
laboratories and we looked at it under high magnification and
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tried to get a basic fundamental spectral analysis to understand
and is this object interesting or anomalist? In fact, is
it even an alloy? The really strange part that happened
in the surgical room that I witnessed with my own eyes,
now I'm going to put a caveat to this. They
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were scanning. I mean, look, I thought it was funny
as hell. They were using a stud finder to stray
to find this object and that's that's a construction tool.
And let me tell you, they weren't even using it right.
So from the rights of that, I was just cracking
up and like I kind of got a bad dealing
in my stomach. And I was like, guys, before you
cut into him, you'll hear this in the film and
people laugh at the right moments. But you know, I said,
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you know, do you have proper optics, like, you know,
do you have ultrasound optics? And they're like, yes, of course,
we're going to find exactly where it is. So I'm
already like what is going on here? But they used
a Gauss meter, a Gauss meter measures, you know, to
a very small degree electromagnetic frequency, just the basics. So
I took it to my camera. I just wanted to
see the batteries of my camera made this thing ding.
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Sure enough when it was in his body. Every time
they took this over his leg, you got a frequency
or you got a ding. So there's two possible situations here.
One is they're misusing that like they were the stud finder,
or this thing was actually emitting frequency. And I have
absolutely no way to tell you from just visual and
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being a novice at this time to all of these techniques.
But it was something that made our eyes go big. Okay,
well let's get this thing out. But the first real
look at it from the analysis was at Steal Laboratory
looking at this landscape. I mean it appeared to me
on the screen like you know pictures you see of
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the topography of the moon. It was interesting. And at
this point in our story, another character enters the narrative,
and that would be Steve Colbern. Could you tell us
a little bit about Steve Wow, Well, I have learned
a lot about Steve Colburn since the filming. Actually, he's
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a very controversial character, and you might recall, and I
don't want to give it away. I want people to
watch the film. But there's a moment in the film
when he is reading the analysis to patient seventeen, and
patient seventeen just looks like furious. I mean, he just
looks like the most skeptical human, the most skeptical six
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foot nine human you've ever seen. But there's a moment
right after that, and you can't make this stuff up
where he discloses. Steve Colburn discloses something to me and
I am just utterly shocked because it changes everything. And
so I'm not going to give that away, but I'll
just say that he was Roger Lear's lead scientific advisor
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for the analysis. Because they did sixteen objects prior to
Objects seven team, and because I didn't have custodianship ever
of those other objects, it really puts into question the
reports of those objects, because once you get analysis, it
can be read in a variety of ways. It's actually
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open to interpretation in some ways. And what I didn't
say in the film, I don't believe I did. I
had this analysis looked at people from NASA, the head
meteorites specialist at UCLA, credible scientists many of whom would
not go on camera about this subject. But I had
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it looked at from a lot of different sources other
than just Roger's team after Roger passed away. So just
to stay on Steve for a moment. When he's introduced
in the film, he described himself as a material scientist
who works on carbon nanotubes in his primary job. So
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immediately you get this sense of Okay, this guy knows
what he's doing, he knows what he's talking about. I
trust this person as an expert in this field. Then
you get a little bit further and I don't want
to I hope this isn't spoiling anything, but I want
to read just a quote that he states in the film.
The ultimate goal is to heck the alien Internet. We
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have reason to believe that there's a complex web of
communication between aliens and some supercomputer someplace, and abductees are
also plugged into the system. And it's just kind of
like what it's just like he seems to drop that
like a bomb out of the blue, and it doesn't
really come up again, and it's fascinating to think about,
but it also kind of makes you think, maybe this
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guy's got a little bit of an axe to grind
a little bit of a personal motivation, and the way
he's communicating with patients seventeen and with you as a filmmaker,
and that's the contention that you feel in that room,
with that revelation that occurs when he's reading him the results.
You know, these are complex in individuals, and they as
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a documentary filmmaker, they revealed to me little bits, and
as I pursue them as a subject, more and more
tends to be revealed. That was a jaw dropping moment
for me hearing that theory of these alleged implants. Now,
all of that aside, my singular goal was to get
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the object into credible labs for blind testing of elemental
analysis and isotopic analysis, because those facts do not lie
if they're not tainted with error, and so this is
kind of my motivation is to show the human side
of it, to show the belief systems of these individuals,
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show what they're going through, show what they do, show
what they tell, and then have the audience decide whether
or not you give weight, because convincing somebody, you know,
proof for one person is vastly different than proof for
another person. We all require different elements of proof in
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order to be convinced of something, and that's the fun.
That's the fun of telling a story purely as a
documentary filmmaker is letting the audience decipher themselves well, speaking
of those different types of proof that people in their
life seek. There's a real progression in the film in
the I Guess character for lack of better word, of
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Patient seventeen. He seems to go from being kind of
on the fence about the nature of the foreign object
in his body, and while he does seem to believe
that some abduction experiences did take place earlier in his life,
he kind of seems a little bit more skeptical at
first before the surgery happens, and then as the film progresses,
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it feels as though his religious faith is actually being
challenged by this notion of this thing in his body.
He makes a comment about how you know, if there
are aliens, then basically all bets are off as far
as my belief system goes. My question to you is,
with being surrounded by the supposed experts who are feeding
him information and describing what they see as evidence, is
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there a sense that you know he was maybe being
manipulated in a way that could be a detriment to
his mental well being, And how do you square that
with the film that you're making. Yeah, well, luckily, you know,
he and I were kind of teammates in this. We'd
do an interview, we'd step outside and we talk it through,
and we decide how much weight to give one person's
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opinion compared to the other. You know, we were truly
and are truly seeking to define exactly what was taken
out of his leg. I do see him struggle from
time to time with everything from faith to his own
personal belief system. I mean, he is sure that he
has had abductive experiences. This is something that's been with
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him his whole life. And typically this is generational. So
if you find, like John Mack, did you know a
hundred people claiming abductive experiences, even if they haven't asked
their family genetically, it seems their parents, their mother and
father or grandparents would also have these experiences. So that
the short answer is yes, you did see in the
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film a little bit when I directly asked him, would
this shake the foundations of your faith if this turned
out to be something not from here? And he says, yes,
I think it could. But at the same time, you know,
he's a truth seeker. He wants to know, and as
far as manipulation of his thoughts, I mean you can
see his sense of humor. I hope you caught this.
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This was for me one of the funniest moments in
the movie, and there is a lot of humor in
there if you catch it. Steve Coleburn was going through
the analysis and he was kind of arguing with Patients
seventeen it seemed like about the origin of this object.
And then Steve just says, do you think your pain
was initiated by your nervous system by this device, you know,
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to punish you in some way? And Patient seventeen just
looks directly at the camera the only time he did
in the whole film, and he goes, well, you know,
I've been a bad boy. Yeah. Yeah. His sense of humor,
I think, really he has a great sense of humor,
and I think his sense of humor really allowed him
to separate, you know, the immediate emotion of being told
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things like he was being told. During the filmmaking process.
One of the questions that we know our audience is
wondering as they listen to our interview today is going
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to be for people who believe that there is an
extraterrestrial origin these sort of implants, One of the most
immediate questions becomes to what end, for what? For what
purpose would this would this practice of abduction and implantation occur?
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And we were hoping that you could give us a
few words and your perspective of these beliefs and what
what the motivation is seen as being. So you're asking
me what the motivation of these alleged non humans would
be to implant humans with some alleged nano technological chip.
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Is that precisely? What's a simple question, Jeremy, Come on,
well the question, yeah, that's that's uh, that's it in
one because the ideas, Okay, let's let's say that this
is the case, then why would why would individuals be abducted? Yeah,
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what's the purpose of this? At least in the eyes
of people who believe these racks your trustrial in origin? Okay,
So it is a simple question on face value, But
when you really want to look at this with any sincerity,
that becomes a not a simple question, that becomes a
that goes into the field of broad speculation because the
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fact is we don't know if this is true, which
is something that I have not swallowed that pill yet.
But if this is true, then we can only speculate
on the purpose of this. Now you have to look
at it from psychological and physical. The phenomenon itself seems
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to be occurring in patterns of reinforcement over time. This
is well documented by the author Jacques Valet. He's a
colleague of mine. He takes a scientific approach, and in fact,
one of the reasons we've recently bonded on looking into
this stuff is because he is currently doing elemental and
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ice topic analysis on fifteen samples of anomalous aerial vehicles
or UAPs or UFOs that have crashed or landed. So
this work is being done. The reason someone would be
chipped and tagged like a deer or an animal or
a whale or a shark, like we do as humans
on Earth, your guests is as good as mine. It
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seems very kind of rudimentary to me. If there's an
advanced intelligence engaging humanity, I understand the psychological operations of
these waves of UFOs to create some sort of understanding
within humanity that makes sense that the chipping and tagging.
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Don't you think there would be a better way? But
that's you know, look, I'm coming at this saying let's
look at this and try to see what we can
find out. But your guess is frankly as good as mine. Well,
there's a lot of talking in the film too, about
the idea that some of these devices emit frequency, and
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can you talk a little bit about that, about the
idea of this being nanotechnology, about being some kind of
active electronics rather than just a fragment of some kind,
because I mean, I could even I would maybe even
be more inclined to believe that it was a byproduct
of some kind of abduction or like some scrap of
material that was lodged into somebody's body. But then there's
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also talk of like there's no entry wound or anything
like that. Talk a little bit about some of the
possibilities of what these might be hypothetically, sure, I mean,
because look, there is a lot of people you know
that come forwards saying they have all sorts of alien implants.
This is something hit people write to me about. You know,
every week I get a new email. Now that there
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are a lot of foreign bodies that are in people
and they don't know them. I mean the old pencil
lead in the hand thing somebody I knew he was.
Her grandfather was the oldest living human with a bullet
still in his book Rain, you know, is in the
Guinness Booker World Record. There are foreign objects that get
into people's bodies, and sometimes they don't see an entry wound,
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or an entry wound would never be apparent years down
the line. I mean, this could be road rash. Was
what we were thinking. The joke between me in patient
seventeen is, after all of this, what if we find
out it was just a Tonka truck, you know, something
that it slipped on as a kid. That's obviously the
first thing we're looking at is is this a piece
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of pencil lead? Is this a piece of a nail?
Is this road rash? These are most likely going to
be the answers for ninety nine point nine percent of
the population, Oddly enough, because I can't talk about the
other sixteen removals that doctor Lear did, but I can't
talk about seventeen because when he died, I picked up
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the ball. Nobody was doing it, so I had it
sent I had it sent to Northern Analytics, and there
are great laboratory and they did not know what they
were testing. And I was shocked that No, this was
not a piece of pencil lead. No this was not
road rash, No this was not a Tonka truck. In fact,
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the evidence that we acquired and it's one scientific test,
you need to get many more, at least three to
make sure that there was not contamination in the test.
But as stands now, the first test that we have
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definitively shows two things of significance in my opinion, and
those who this is their wheelhouse, One is that this
object has thirty six different elements in it. Primarily the
object is iron. From what I understand, if you just
took like a common nail, maybe you'd get five different alloys.
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I have not tested a basic nail under broad spectrum
elemental analysis, but this is what I'm hearing from the
people that actually do this analysis every day. More importantly,
Oh and by the way, I'll just tell you a
funny story. I was at UCLA and having a beer
after talking with the head meteorite specialist to rule out
that this was meteoric iron, because that's what was being
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told to patient seventeen and in fact, it's not meteoric iron.
I asked one of the world's specialists. He heads the
Museum of Meteorites at UCLA, and it is not meteoric iron.
So that was really cool to cross that off the list.
But as I'm sitting there looking through the results and
nano talks, ecologist just a dude sat down next me
while I was having my beer, saw me looking through
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it and goes what you're looking at? And I go, hey, well,
what do you think of this? This was an optic
found in a dude's body because he told me he
was a nanotoxicologist. And I said, would you want this
out if it was in you? And he's looking through
it and he's like, yes, you'd want this out. I
just has like arsenic and heavy metals and irridium and
all sorts of things. So the elements themselves, having thirty
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six elements playing nicely together in a single small sample,
you know, that was interesting. But what got really interesting,
and again this is it is really simple, is the
isotopic analysis. Would it be appropriate to just explain that
really simply absolutely tell us about, you know, how elements
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are made up in neutrons when also about nanoman right,
Oh yeah, well we gotta get the nano man. But
first let's start with the isotopic analysis based on the
number of neutrons in the nucleus. Is that correct? So
from what I understand, if you cut a piece of
mountain and you pull out, you know, the zinc, there
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are going to be five different isotopic structures within that
zinc here on Earth. Four can be tested for their ratios, right,
and these create like the isotopes will stabilize the zinc.
So we have zinc sixty four, zinc sixty six, sixty
seven to sixty eight. That's what you can test for,
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and that's what we did test for. So my understanding
and the way it's been explained to me by numerous professionals,
is that you're gonna get a certain terrestrial ratio and
in fact, this is going to be homogeneous on Earth.
So there's going to be a certain percentage of zinc
sixty four in any sample from Earth. And you can
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look at this, you know, just look up on Wikipedia.
If you're one percent outside the terrestrial ratio, that's when
they say, yeah, this is not from here. If the
tests are correct, and in fact, you can tell a
little bit about distance because of our supernova creating these
elements the way they are on Earth, just about how
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far these ratios of isotopes will convey that information to you.
And so what was so fascinating about this was that
in the zinc sixty four ratio that we got, we
got far above what would be considered terrestrial. So we
got fifty one point one percent. The terrestrial ratio for
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zinc sixty four is forty eight point sixty four percent.
So even with the standard or relative standard deviation which
you have to apply because of the machines that are
being used, that puts us well outside the terrestrial ratio
for zinc sixty four, either above or below with that
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standard relative deviation. So essentially, to make that really really simple,
if you go to the Moon and you collect sixty four,
it's going to be a different ratio than here on Earth.
If you go to the Andromeda galaxy and you collect
zinc sixty four, it's going to be a different ratio
than it is here on Earth. So that's what was
so fascinating to me, is that we get this scientific
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analysis back and any way you hut it above or
below with the standard deviation, we have zinc that appears
to be non terrestrial, which is so bizarre. So I
went to my mentor, George Knapp, he's an investigative journalist
in this field but also just in his normal life
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in Las Vegas, and he said to me, you have
to get more tests. You need to know quantify this
as best as possible. He said to look, it's our
job to investigate the unexplained, not explain the uninvestigated, keep investigating.
So I thought that was a great Yeah. I thought
that was a great quote because a lot of people
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don't do that. They jump, you know, obviously to conclusions.
So you know, back to these terrest ural ratios. I
started doing some research on the Internet and trying to
find academic papers on zinc sixty four and I hit
pay dirt. Man. I found this guy. He is now
a medical doctor Middle America, and he wrote this definitive
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paper on extraterrestrial zinc. Because we study extraterrestrial zinc isotopes
and isotopes in general all the time here on Earth,
we study them from meteorites, so we have comparables, and
so it's so funny I found this this doctor, and
he wrote this definitive paper, but it was like so
long ago, I mean, I don't know, maybe twelve years ago,
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as part of a thesis. And I come calling him
up at his medical practice asking him about how we
could have results like this, and this guy was just
rolling his eyes in the back of his head. And
his conclusion to me was essentially that the lab did
not triplewash the zinc sixty four and that in fact,
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nickel sixty four ken contaminate the results of zinc sixty four.
And I was like, perfect, I have an answer. That's
a real answer. So I went back to the laboratory,
called the guys that did the analysis and I said,
will you take a look at the results for me?
Will you tell me the process you went through? And
they stand by their results. They did triple wash it.
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It's in the notes, and it's my problem what the
results are. I mean, that was their their standpoint to me,
so clearly, clearly I need to get more analysis done.
But the journey towards that is what this film is about.
And you do get some answers in the film, some
really interesting answers, but it's a mystery. This whole thing
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truly is a bona fide mystery. It really is a
huge mystery. And I want to ask you something that
seems extremely simple and something that maybe somebody watching film
wouldn't think about. But how confident are you that the
sample taken from patients seventeens leg is the exact same
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sample that was then tested with the isotopic stuff and
then test it again. Chain of command? Yeah, yeah, how confident?
Chain of custody? How confident are you that that's the
same object that now you know you've done all these
tests on because you also you weren't able to get
it back. You had a hard time like getting hold
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of it again to run more tests. Isn't that right?
Oh man? This yes, this is an ongoing battle. I
mean ongoing. When doctor Lear died, people started fighting over
custodianship of these samples. So, to answer your question directly,
that is a huge issue for me. That is a
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huge issue. As I've gone through this and I've learned more,
that is one of the questions that I have. I
know the sample, what it looks like, the container. I
know exactly what it looks like. I can identify that
with my own eyes, but getting it sent to a
credible laboratory and having it done. I mean I was
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not allowed to be there for that process, you know,
I mean nobody was. You know, it was sent to
the lab set X for that testing. So how can
you know definitively that is the same object. That's something
Patients seventeen and I keep going over. We currently do
know where the object is. These tests that we did
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were destructive, but there's plenty of object remaining to do
more tests. So my six foot nine giant friend and
I are banging on doors. We are trying to get
it back for further analysis. But this is one of
those things you have to then become a conspiracy theorist,
because let's say you were to switch out the sample
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and send it over, you just happen to have a
piece that is not a meteorite of extraterrestrial zinc sixty four.
I mean, that's crazier than the object being sent and
there being some sort of miscalculation. So this is a problem.
This is one of the things we're running into, is
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we need that sample back and we're trying to get
it back. So this is really this is a great
place for us to bring in a character that exists
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in your universe in several places, a gentleman that goes
by Nanoman. Yeah, could you tell us a little bit
about Nanoman how he figures into the larger context here. Yeah. Well,
so what I wanted to do in this movie is
I wanted to focus in on people who would go
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on camera, who had certain skill sets. Why Nanoman is
in my universe or on my radar is because I
started a documentary series on him probably about six years ago.
I was tipped off by a naval individual, somebody in
the Navy, and they have guided me before in my work.
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Highest ranking military official that I've ever been in contact with,
and they've always given me kind of good tips. There's
actually a current case that just made the news, and
we'll be making more news that I've been on for
quite some time thanks to tips like this. So the
tip was there's a guy, his name is Chris Cooper.
I call him Nano Man because I thought it was
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funny and he's kind of like a comic character for me.
He's a very intelligent nanophysicist. He was military funded to
a huge amount for doing work on nanotechnology and water filtration,
and in fact, the military used some of his product
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in order to you know, put out special teams that
can you know, kind of use water filters anywhere. You know.
He's kind of like this interesting guy. But I was
connected to him purely because of a propulsion device that
he was creating, called what he called it, the space drive.
And what it's really interesting about it is that he
was getting a forward reaction. He was getting forward thrust
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without any pushback. It was in a vacuum, and he
couldn't figure out why. So my series was documenting the
trials and errors that he was making, the progress he
was making on this thing called the space Drive, which
was something that was of interest to the United States
Navy at that time. So that's the reason I started
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with him. It was purely propulsion and science, and he
has a very brilliant mind. And he later revealed to
me that in fact, what he was trying to do
with this device was create a spaceship, and then disclosed
to me that he was in possession of other nanomaterial
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that was anomalous and that he would give it to
me to take to NASA and have it analyzed. And
I thought this was like a joke because he handed
me pure it looked like pure water. It was ethanol,
and in fact, you'll see in one of my short
films about Nana Man, I did take it to NASA,
and I did take it to the NASA Nanotechnology Lab,
and we spent a whole day analyzing this stuff and
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we could visually verify that there was something quite odd
in what he gave me. So that was my first
introduction to Nano Man was following him through a series
of shorts that I've put out, although a feature film
will be coming out. So he was kind of a
guy that I knew that I could take the results too,
who wouldn't just disregard it. He would at least tell
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me his opinion openly about what it is that it
might be. And so that's why I brought him into
the movie. Was somebody to look at it without just
completely dismissing it. That's fantastic, and that's a that can
often be a challenge lenging thing to find someone who
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is truly objectively and open mindedly investigating something, especially if
there is a feeling of mystery for some For some
people that ends up functioning as a stigma. So without
without spoiling Patient seventeen which we're being pretty careful about.
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I love that you're pointing out how how doctor Kuber,
how nano man functions in the larger context of your work.
And this brings us to a couple of points that
we wanted to We wanted to ask you when we
were researching some of your other work and some of
your background and things that you have studied and written
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about in in this larger context. There's especially biographical detail
we wanted to ask you about that relates to our
earlier episode. Yeah, we and he did an episode on
Titanic conspiracies, and we were just looking through your IMDb
bio and it seems like you have a very interesting
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personal connection to that tragedy. Yeah. Actually, I do you
guys do your research. I guess so. I'm named after
Edward Lockyer. My friends and enemies call me for name.
My name is Jeremy Kenyon Locker Corbell and Lockyer was
after Edward Locker, and he was a passenger on the
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Titanic who did not make it. He did fall in love, actually,
interestingly enough, on the boat, and the passenger he fell
in love with was a woman that when the kind
of safety rafts were going down he reached out and
dropped her down because the boat was already going down.
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She broke both of her legs, but he threw her
his wallet and his watch, and years later she actually
came and found my grandmother's family and gave them back
the wallet and the watch and said, he told me
to tell you that he loves you, and that's how
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we know his story. For us, we wouldn't have known it.
I think it was passenger number fifty three if I recall, Wow,
I don't remember. Yeah, that's that's really really cool to hear.
I mean, and tragic, but also just what a piece
of history having that kind of connections. Pretty pretty ring.
Oh yeah, I was just I was just actually in Budapest.
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I premiered in Europe my film at the National Museum
of Denmark and gave a lecture about UFOs, which is
actually free on my website, Extraordinary Beliefs dot com. You
can watch that whole lecture. But when I was traveling
through Europe with my mom, which was cool. It was
like the drunk history of Europe. It was claric. We
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made it to Budapest and they have a Titanic museum
there and you could look up the names of the
passengers and that sort of thing. And yeah, so Edward Lockyer,
that was a pretty cool and he was actually a
grocer but also a boxer and he was coming over
on the Titanic for a fight for boxing. So that
was pretty neat because that is also in my history
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of Marshall Athletics, so I didn't learn that till much
later in life though. So just to stick on the
Marshall Athletics there, please, can you come back on sometime
and talk to us about Quantum jiu jitsu? Please? Sure?
Sure that was either the best or the dumbest move
I ever made, is naming my particular mma Quantum in
jiu jitsu. That created so much hell for me because
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it sounds so strange. But you know, look, so did
Warrior Yoga. At the time I trademarked it in like
two thousand, you know, people were giving me hate mail
because in yoga, what do you mean Warrior? And you
know now like even companies have stolen the name and
that kind of thing. You know, it takes time for
people to advance and in their thoughts it's just a name.
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What's behind the name is more important. And yes, we
can always do a show. There's so much to say
about martial arts, because really martial arts is what trained
my and honed in on my skills to approach things
like journalism. Inch by inch. I was always kind of
the smaller and lighter weight fighter. You know, all my
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black belts that I've produced, they're like, you know, two
hundred and ten pound monsters of pure muscles. So in
order to convince them to train with me, I had
to beat them, and you know, continuously. So so I
learned very quickly that you know, martial arts like a
documentary an investigation. It's a matter of inch by inch
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life's assents. You know, yard by yard life is hard man. Well, seriously,
I mean, whether it's quantum jiu jitsu or any of
the subjects of some of the other films that you
made in your series, we would know, Joe love to
have you back as much as you would like to
be back. I think I speak for the group and
saying that, thank you so much for having this conversation
with us today, and let's end on one final question
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here that I think our audience really wants to know.
You talked a little bit about the reaction to patient seventeen,
and we'd love to hear what kind of correspondence that
you've been receiving, if it's leading you in any interesting directions,
and in general, what are some of your future projects
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coming up? Oh? Absolutely, so. First thing I just want
to say is that the film Patient seventeen we've been
talking about. My one purpose in filmmaking initially was to
uplift the visual aesthetic so that when you watch these
films their true honest journalism, but that they show you
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the beliefs of people and they show you in a
way that is visually pleasing and fun to watch. So
I hope I achieved that, and I think I did
with Patient seventeen. A lot of people are watching it
now that it's on iTunes in the documentary section, people
can go rent it now. So that's the cool thing
is this movie is opening people up to a much
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more broad spectrum of my work. I will also say
that this mystery is far from over. I am on
this case, as is Patient seventeen. So you will get
a lot of information from this movie that will, I hope,
weaponize your curiosity so that you continue to look into
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these things. And it's kind of like how you guys
run your show. You're telling people what the facts are
and then where it gets crazy, and so hopefully there's
a similar tonality in the visual medium that I use
as film. Additionally, the future projects. I am so excited
you guys now that I have proper distribution, mass distribution
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from my first film. I mean, I've been at this
a long time. Now you are going to see some
thing some areas in the field of ufology and beyond
that have been totally inaccessible to the average person for decades,
and this information will now be coming out. Specifically, I'm
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going to tell you two things. One Skinwalker Ranch, I
am working directly with the people closest to it. I
have been to the area and on I have been
given with my mentor George Knapp because of his book
that he wrote about it. We have been given the
first time ever access by the tribal nation of the
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Ute Indians in order to film on the premises on
the reservation the sovereign nation and bring that footage to
you and to the public. This has been an ongoing
project and it's highly informed. It's a separate website, Hunt
the Skinwalker dot Com, but you can get to it
from mine, but you will see never before seeing footage
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and what's coming with that. So that is one thing
I'm really excited about. And the other thing, and this
is a big one, the Elvis of ufology. You know,
it's like as if you find Elvis alive and there
he is, you have in the public realm, probably three
hours of footage only because of George knapp On Bob Blazar,
one of the most famous names in eupology. Well, I'm
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going to be very happy to be able to announce
very soon a definitive documentary on and with Bob Lazar. Wow. Wow,
you heard it here first Friends and neighbors. We're looking
forward to that, And Jeremy, We're going to have to
get an updates as this project coalesces, and whenever you're
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ready to do an interview about it, we love to
hear from you. Awesome. Well, thank you guys for running
an exceptional show. As I said, I've been a fan
from your first video all the way up to the
one that you most recently put out your podcast. I
really am just like a kid in a candy store
excited to be on with you guys. Keep doing good work,
because the key here is is that people need to
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become participants in these mysteries and not just sit back
behind their keyboard and be consumers. People need to activate
and do whatever they can to help look into these
true mysteries that are occurring. You know, that's the problem
with peeking behind the curtain. Man. You can't unsee and
you can't unknow I've heard that before. Quote. Yes, thank
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you so much, Jeremy Corbell, the investigatory filmmaker behind Patient seventeen,
which is available now on iTunes, among other places. Is
there anywhere else people can get it or is that
kind of the primary point? Oh? Yeah, it's on a
whole bunch of pay per view platforms, from Xbox to
Amazon to Google Play to ones I've never even heard about.
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But you can easily find it on iTunes. Documentary Well,
like we said, well maybe we didn't, Minister off Air.
I enjoyed it very much, both for the content and
the edic. It's a very well shot film. It's paced
in a very interesting and accessible way and very visually appealing,
and makes very good use of a Georgio Moroder track
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that I did in quite a lot, So props to
you for having good taste in the electronic music department
to Jeremy. And usually when we close the show, we
like to close with a way for the audience, all
of us listening out there to contact us or experts.
Is there a place where people could reach out to
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you directly, Jeremy. Absolutely so. If they go to Extraordinary
Beliefs dot com and they go to submit a note,
it'll be you know, info at Extraordinary Beliefs dot com
or editor at Extraordinary Beliefs dot com. But any email
that they send from my site will get to me.
That's perfect. So everybody right to us, right to Jeremy,
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think about this stuff. If you have any questions, you
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