August 30, 2022 • 38 mins
How many secret military bases exist around the world? How many of those are active, and how many abandoned? Join Ben, Matt and Noel as they explore both the specific discovery of Project Iceworm and the larger practice of building top-secret bases around the globe.
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
Hello, just Matt again. Remember secret missions all the time
with the guys. Uh, they're away from the moment that
but they'll be right back actually in just a couple
of seconds when you hear them. In this classic episode
about Project ice Worm, This is from November. We often
talk about the secret machinations of governments and militaries on
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this show, and this episode is no different. We're talking
about secret bases that are hidden away in in places
that you never expect. If you're a you know, a
regular old person like you and me. Uh, even if
you're a military, like an opposing military, you might not
think about places some of the secret places that military
has put these bases. And this secret base isn't a
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very unexpected place, I don't know. Base in a place
I don't know. I like how that's rhyming. It's in Greenland,
you know, the the giant ice covered continent up there.
It's not really constant like an island is. It's Greenland
and it's a secret base and it's under the ice.
It's super cool. It's so cool. It's cold. Oh I'm
sorry here, guys. Take it away from UFOs to psychic
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powers and government conspiracies. History is riddled with unexplained events.
You can turn back now or learn the stuff they
don't want you to know. Hello, my name is Matt,
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my name is Nol. They call me Ben. You are
you that makes this stuff they don't want you to know?
And as we are, as we're recording this, it's a
little before the U. S. Holiday called Thanksgiving. So when
this podcast comes out, hopefully if you are in the U. S.
And you celebrate this sort of thing, you will you
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will be full of trip to fan the sleepy ingredient
in Turkey and taking a pleasant snooze. And if you're lucky,
your family has a elaborately decked out underground ice bunker
where you can enjoy their company. Um, in appropriate surroundings
for such a holiday. Um, I see ones right, and Uh,
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that's that's what they call foreshadowing in the business, ladies
and gentlemen. Uh. You may also take a moment, if
you will, the day after Thanksgiving to celebrate National Heritage Day,
which is a commemoration of the Native American people who
were invaded by Europeans. Controversial, but that's the nature of
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this show and it is factual. Today we are not
talking about Thanksgiving we are talking about military bases, government secrecy.
And so for those of us in the audience who
like the political stuff, you'll love this. Uh. And for uh,
those of us in the audience who say, hey, why
don't you do more paranormal stuff? Thank you for all
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the awesome emails, tweets, some messages. Doing our best to
get more topics like that on this show. It can
be a little bit of an uphill battle, but hopefully
they're more on the way. We're also talking in a
way today about climate change. The crux of today's topic
dwells in the realm of geopolitics, the murky business of
the institutions seeking to control the world and the groups
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of people seeking to control those institutions. Here here are
the facts. Funny thing about America, right, And of course
we've been in the US. When we say America, we
mean the United States. Everyone in this country does it, sorry, Canada, Mexico,
totally all American. But the thing about the US, as
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seen by residents of the U S is that, well,
maybe we do it hypothetically. Matt, How would you feel
if how would you feel if a country built a
base on US soil? Like? Would it depend on the country.
You know, would you be more okay with France versus
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Saudi Arabia? Yeah, that would be where is it? Is
it an ally? Um? Not in my backyard? Yeah? Yeah?
What else is going on to you politically that necessitates
a base on US soil from another country? I mean,
I would hopefully look at it in those terms unless
it was in extreme close proximity to where I live
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and work every day. And what are we talking here?
Will there be nuclear payloads involved? You know, like I said,
not in my backyard. Mr. It's it's strange because the
overwhelming majority of US citizens or even just US residents,
overwhelmingly across the board demographics, Uh, demographics can be super
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very old, young, wealthy, poor, various racial identifications, religious identifications,
political allegiances. Almost everybody says a foreign military base on
US soil, well, that's an abomination, that is an abomination
to this country. Yet US military bases on other countries
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soil are seen, as you know, essential to the various
political buzzwords of our time. National security. That's the great
boogeyman that we've explored in the past. Just to put
out there, I was playing a character and saying not
in my backyard, and I was I was that guy
that has that exact sense that there, you know, of
course we need them there, but don't don't let them
put them. Global stability is not my neighborhood stability UM
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and whatever else like what whatever else UH people use
to linguistically disguise that fact that's seen as the US
being sort of the world's police force, right, And you'll
also hear the You also hear the argument like, oh, yeah, yeah, well,
we built that base because people want us there. People
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want the rule of law, people want the security of
the world old's best military, and the US is almost
by any measure, the world's largest and most efficient millets
well not efficient, not efficient, just the largest and most
effective in terms of destruction. But this argument that people
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want foreign bases on their soil, or that other countries
want U S bases on their soil is usually not
true spoiler alert. When they say we want the u
S there, what they what they typically mean is something
like the leaders of the country have hatched to deal
with the leaders of this country to have this thing
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in um adjacent to UH country that the US is
hostile toward. So, for instance, South Korea and North Korea,
Iran and every other country surrounding Iran, because the US
sure hates Iran ever since they throughout the where did
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the US supported dictator? So, as far as we know,
the U S has built the most foreign bases in history,
in human history, more bases, more you know, foreign sights
than the Roman Empire, more than the UK, more than
commit more than Babylonian society UH. At this point or
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as of two thousand fifteen, the U S has around
eight hundred more or less publicly known if not officially
acknowledged like open secret bases. And you can learn more
about this in a book called Base Nation, How U
S Military Bases Abroad harm America and the World by
David Vine. Obviously, the guy's got a slant, but his
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numbers are on point in terms of the number of bases.
I don't know if I completely agree with his opinion
of what those all those bases are doing. And we're
also almost certain that there are more sites out there
that they remain unacknowledged and may remain unacknowledged for decades
and deck it's at least that is until the ice
begins to recede and the devils of the Imperial past,
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come calling for their do what are we talking about?
You know, when you said that is them, you sounded
a lot like rod Sterling doing a Twilight Zone narration. Oh,
thank you man, their best come calling for the Thank
you so much. Rod Sterling is a is a hero
of mine. Good stuff. Thank you? Hey? What um? But
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what are we talking about specifically? Here? We talked about
underground layers. We talked about ice Specifically, we're talking about
a US military base called Camp Century and it's a project.
It's a part of this thing called Project ice Worm,
which was originally started as a way to quote test
construction techniques out in the Arctic or Arctic construction techniques. So,
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how do I make things work from an engineering perspective
when it's bitterly cold, like cold, unforgivingly cold, brutal? Was
that from the core of engineers? That was the description
of the Project cool. It exists a hundred and fifty
miles from an existing US base called Tually Air Base,
Camp Uh and that is it's also a hundred and
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twenty one miles from the coast of Greenland, right and
Tual the air base is still extend. It's the U
s Air Forces northernmost base, and it's a about seven
miles north of the Arctic Circle, a little less than
miles from the North Pole, the physical and not the
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magnetic one UM and it's or I should say, the
conceptual one, not the magnetic one. UM. So this, this
UH is home to the twenty one Space Wings global
network of sensors. Just to give some just to give
some context here. And when we say sensors, of course
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I mean the UH detection of external stimuli. I don't
mean editing the truth. And just to give people a
sense of like the layout of this I mean because
when I first started looking into it, I was picturing
some sort of fortified, crazy futuristic ice dome like James
Bond villain Lair style, like we talked about at the
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beginning of the show. But what in fact we're talking
about is much more like a traditional military base where
you have you know, barracks, you have different research facilities,
you know, you have a gym um, a commissary, things
like that. So I'm looking at an aerial view of
it and it kind of just looks like a neighborhood.
But but it's not like their roads or anything like
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that connecting these these things up. It's tunnels that were
board through the ice right, and we'll we'll take a
look at the construction as well. So at the time,
the US discussed the plans for building Camp Century with
Denmark and they said, as Matt pointed out, it would
be a demonstration of affordable ice cap military outposts. They
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believed Denmark at least officially believed this would be a
way to explore scientific concepts, so not an active application
of things, more a well this work, what can we
do with this? Um Denmark thought the U s would
explore practical problems with a semimobile nuclear reactor, like how
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could we make a movable nuclear reactor that is stable
and supplies enough power to support as Noel said, a town,
a military outpost of this size and being a base
camp for scientific experiments in the ice cap. And this
all was in a way true. However, what Denmark did
not officially know about and Noel, what are those what's
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that quote we use for air quotes? Officially? Yes, What
what Denmark did not officially know about was Project ice Worm.
This was a proposed system of tunnels that would, eventually,
according to their plans, be too thousand five miles length
used to deploy up to six hundred nuclear missiles that
would be able to reach the Soviet Union in the
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case of nuclear war, which was a clear and present danger.
The brilliant thing about this is that the missiles were
under Greenland's ice sheets, so when deployed, if deployed they
would happen, they would launch too close to be detected
or prevented in time. This was also created before the
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US knew about the dead Man's Hand, the apocalyptic nuclear
UH nuclear system which exists in Russia today, which you
can find out about in our our previous audio podcast,
And just in case they were discovered or compromised somehow.
Even though Soviet technology, so far as the West knew,
cannot detect these weapons, the sites would still be changed periodically.
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We talked about the construction of this, so let's get
in a little more detail. There are twenty one trenches
and they had arched roofs UH and then inside of
those arches that's where they put these you know, like
prefab buildings. If you went to a public school in
the United States, then you have probably seen those add
on trailers that happen when UH. When there are more
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students than the building can house. He used to call
them portables when I was a kid, afordables. I don't
know if that's like a thing that was just in
my neck of the woods, but I remember that, and
it happens, especially if you're around you know, growing populations.
So these pre fabricated buildings, as Noll said, they had hospitals, chops,
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a theater, a church. Of course, the total number of
inhabitants the highest point was two hundred, and they had
a very interesting electricity supply from nineteen sixty detail um
nineteen sixty three. The electricity supply was provided by the
world's first mobile portable nuclear reactor A portable, A portable exactly. Yeah,
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our ours didn't didn't have those, but um we had
we had R. L. Steinbooks, so plenty um. It was
referred to as the pm to A and designated by Alco,
the company for the US Army. Yeah, and p m
t A actually stood for something. It was, uh, portable
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medium power, which is kind of cool. So it was
like one to ten megawatts is how much you could generate. Interesting,
you know, and uh, there's also such a great story
in there which listeners we we'd love it if you
take time to check this out and maybe we could
do something in the future on private engineering of nuclear facilities.
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Because Alco started as a locomotive company, it's short for
American Locomotive Company. They also in Camp Century and the
planned Project ice Worm. They took water supplied from glaciers
and they had to this is such a cool side note.
They had to test it for plague just in case
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something survived there in the depths of the glaciers. And
here's what they eventually wanted to build um. This missile
network was outlined in a report called the Strategic Value
of the Greenland Ice Cap Completed. They were thinking this
will cover fifty two square miles. It will be three
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times the size of Denmark, the country that technically the
US is occupying. Is that we didn't know about it.
They didn't know about this plan. They didn't officially know. Yeah,
they didn't know about But it's also interesting when we
when we think about a country like the US is
already larger than Denmark, right, and Denmark had rustiction over Greenland,
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and the US was building a base that was larger
than the country it was technically occupying. Do you know
the name of the capital of Greenland, nuke Beard right
under your nose, man, that's what I know. It's true.
I did. I didn't want to mention that A lot
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of sources refer to the base itself as more or
less a cover for this more strategic project where they
were trying to you know, really get a foothold, so
to speak, in the ice and like borrow these tunnels
in order to you know, have this strategic advantage. Um.
And the base itself was almost more just like a
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cover project so they could actually do this more you know,
kind of top secret project, right, and also so that
I mean, let's sen of it this this way, um.
At this time, there are deep cover operatives from both
sides of the Cold War embedded in all sorts of
government and private industry positions, high value stuff. I just
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I find it difficult to believe that the Soviet sources
would not somehow get wind of this. Come on, man,
we're building this the test construction techniques. Come on. Oh yeah,
and I'm sure I'm sure Harp was just experimenting with
the ionosphere to see what would happen. Let's spend let's
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spend hundreds of millions of dollars on projects like this,
and I'm not I'm not quoting um exact financial amounts here,
but I am saying that you are absolutely right, Nolan
Matt The it was a cover They wanted to launch
complex to be twenty eight feet below the surface, and
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then the missile launchers themselves even deeper, and it would
be in clusters spaced about four miles apart from each other.
They would dig new tunnels every year, so after five
years there would be thousands of different possible firing positions
and they could rotate amongst those, which is important because
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that means that once the sovietside found out about it,
they would be playing whack a mole. Essentially, they couldn't
hit the whole thing at once. And they built a
different kind of or they intended to launch a different
kind of Minuteman missile. It was a shorter, two stage
version and they called it the Iceman, which I think
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is cool. It reminds me that play the Iceman Cometh. However,
it didn't last very long because you see the ice
was moving. Yeah, on Greenland, the surface ice is constantly
moving outwards from what would be essentially the center of
the continent as it forms and then moves towards the ocean.
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And this poses a problem for these tunnels that were
dug inside this ice because they're gonna be deforming, They're
gonna be uh you know, as a size and melting
like it's gonna bulge in on the tunnels. If you've
got a missile silo that's dug out in there, that
poses a huge problem. Stuff is gonna get covered up.
You're gonna have to be constantly I guess, maintaining like
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such huge amounts of maintenance that it would probably not
be feasible. And the idea of climate change at this
time was pretty much just a glimmer if that. I mean,
it just wasn't a thing. Yeah, absolutely, but they did. Yeah,
so it wasn't politicized the way it is now. Um.
But the patterns were in place right and for them
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it was just pure science, was pure engineering. Just you
cannot build a castle on sands. We should mention too
that some of the first ice cores were taken in
that research facility we mentioned at the base, UM, which
would you know, which we're looking for variations historically in
the layers of ice in order to kind of see
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the way the planet had developed and what the conditions
were like over time. Yeah, I believe climatologists still use that.
The results from those today. You ever seen the way
they store those like they pull them out and they
they're stored in these like giant crazy tubes are than
like you know, kept in a climate controlled environment. It's insane.
I wouldn't want to be around it because I have
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this habit of this long standing principle I don't want
to touch things that I can't afford to replace. So listeners,
if you ever meet me in person, ah, I think
the world of you. I love you, death, love your kid.
Don't want to hold it. And what if plague is
in there been and what if plague is in there
met uh in the ice weming not in your So
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you're having these potential structural issues with this moving ice.
And by nineteen sixty two, the ceiling of the reactor
room where this portable nuclear reactor was uh, it dropped
and in this the reactor itself had to be lifted
five ft And we're talking, I mean this thing is well.
I know one one component of the reactor was twenty
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one tons, and I mean this is a massive undertaking
just to move this thing, and that poses a problem.
But then then they realized within three years the the
ice core samples started showing evidence that the glaciers was
moving actually faster than they had anticipated, and they realized,
this ice is going to destroy the tunnels and all
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of these planned launch stations in like two years. We're
talking two years from now. Everything is destroyed that we
want to make. So they decided to you know, cut
their losses, and they evacuated the place in nineteen sixty.
A little bit after that in the nuclear generator itself
was removed, and they canceled Project ice Worm altogether, at
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least officially, and Camp Century closed in nineteen sixty six,
and decades would pass before anyone else learned about this
UH In Denmark and the US had beef over previously
classified UH set of of dickments information regarding the n
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B fifty two crash at the Toil Air Base, and
because of that disagreement, the public learned and Denmark officially
learned of Project ice Worm. However, when we say the
public learned, often what we're what we're saying is that
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it was no longer classified, or it was technically on
paper available, So while it was publicly available, it was
highly unlikely that someone would use this information or or
even be aware of it. Right, so much it changed, however,
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in scientists concluded that the portion of the ice sheet
covering Camp Century is most likely going to melt away.
We would have never learned about this thing, this secret
military base, unless it was already inevitable that this would
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be exposed. And when it is exposed, we're talking about
some very dangerous possibilities. That's right. Remember that nuclear generator, Well,
that thing was pumping out hazardous materials, as you know,
as it was creating power. That's just how it functions.
So when they left, there's still at the site roughly
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two liters of diesel fuel, roughly the same amount of
wastewater from the generator. There's all kinds of radioactive coolant
that's still there that that nobody even knows how much
is still there, and like PC, these other kinds of
organic pollutants. Yeah, man, I mean, I don't know if
I ever told you guys this one. I used to
work for a public radio My beat was the nuclear
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plant in the town where I lived in Augusta Georgia
UM and also there was a called the Savannah River Site,
which was converted into more of a research facility where
different scientists study the effects of nuclear waste on the environment.
The reason for that is is that it had been
the site of a refinery was built in the nineteen
fifties to refine materials used to make nuclear weapons. But
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when they decommissioned it, they had just buried all of
this waste in these pits that were aligned with what
the equivalent of like a tarp, you know, like a sheet,
and so there were all these different pits that they
had to clean. All these projects involved cleaning out this waste,
and then again the scientists their study of the effects
on you know, uh, deer and amphibians and turtles and
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all this kind of stuff. Point being is that in
these days the government was not particular we concerned with
doing a real bang up job at cleaning up their messes.
So there's still a lot of learning that's going on
in these days about the effects of all that stuff.
Um not to you know, cast it away and say, oh,
they didn't know what they were doing. But still it's
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uh irresponsible in some ways, absolutely, But you know, their
Their idea was, oh, the ice will just it'll just
be um preserved forever and no one will ever be
exposed to it, which there is some truth to that.
But as we know, that's that ice is receding still
and who knows what happens if it ever, you know,
did get exposed. Right between two thousand three and two
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thousand ten, the ice that covers most of Greenland was
melting twice as fast as during the rest of the
twenty century. It's picking up the pace, and you can
look at the temperatures as well to see this. The
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only good thing currently is that in the immediate short
term it looks like there continues to be more and
more ice building up on top of of this site.
So in nineteen fifty nine, Camp Century was eight meters
below the ice. Uh, then in nineteen sixty five it
was twelve meters below the ice. Then in this year
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it stands at thirty five ms below the ice. But
like Ben said, what's happening here is the ice. The
ice sheet is generated in certain months or like certain
time of the year, then it melts away and then
it comes back a little bit and then it recedes.
So it's this ebb and flow of ice and the
melting is increasing, so they're what are they thinking, Ben, Yeah, yeah,
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slightly before the end of this century. Yeah, that's when
all of the ice will be gone and this stuff
is just exposed to the elements. So is there no
uh program or anything that that's that's interested in cleaning
this up or getting in there and you know, taking
care of this in advance of that happening, or is
it just too inaccessible? Well, Greenland became largely independent in
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nineteen seventy nine. The government's UM, the local government of Greenland, Denmark,
and the US are aware of this. The U s
has issued a statement saying that they are going to
work to address any concerns in Matt. I see you.
I just love that idea. We're gonna address any concerns.
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It'll be fine. I see, I see Matt doing the
unhappy grit and headshake. Um. You're a man of many grins,
and I've learned to read several of them. I'm not
fluent in your language yet, but I'm picking up what
you're putting down. So you think it's malarkey, huh, I
don't know. I mean, there's not much money in cleaning up. Yeah,
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it's not profitable for anyone. And you know, it seems
like we have a pretty standard policy in this country
when it comes to that kind of stuff, as who cares,
It'll be fine, we'll deal with it when we deal
with it once it gets really bad. Well, can you
can we honestly expect people who are especially if they're elected.
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Can we honestly expect people who are elected for a
term of four years or two years or even ten
years if that happens too, effectively create solutions that won't
come into play until twenty years, twenty five years. You
can't expect a person with a four year mind to
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make good twenty five year decisions. You can hope for it,
but you can't expect it. And that's that's one of
the problems here, is that we are as a species
on the precipice of extended lifespans, and it is quite
possible that the first person who will functionally be immortal
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one sense or the other is alive today. So this
problem is becoming less and less abstract. You know, it's
very easy to say, as as Drew Carey said once
in a stand up set, you know, forget the kids,
forget the later generations, I forget the ozone. I want
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I want my hair spray now or whatever it was.
That that's the point, um now is the future is now.
It's happening. If you take decent care of yourself, then
medical technology will start with the obscenely wealthy, right, and
a few lottery winners who will get a careful what
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you wish for situation like the Henrietta Lacks, who is
the currently technically you guess you could say the mother
of the first immortal. Yeah, yeah, yeah, And that's not
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kind of immortality a lot of people would like. But
what we're saying is your odds of living to see
this are higher now than any point ever. And I
know that's yes, you're just chronologically closer. We're just chronologically closer.
But also you could be born in and white, possibly
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live to and not not live in some deluded state either.
You could be cognitively functional. And that's just one abandoned
base and we only learned about it because governments are saying, well,
people are going to find out eventually. Yeah. When Google
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Maps came along, they're like, yeah, well guess we get
to talk. Yeah, h when the when the glaciers. When
the glaciers melt starts changing colors, that fish start floating,
belly up again and more. Uh. Then, eventually, as we
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said at the beginning, the devil comes calling for his due.
And now in towards the very end of the year,
the US is likely making more military bases than it
is closing. Many countries are involved in this, mostly superpowers
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and outside of the public sphere. These countries intelligence agencies
are keenly aware of who owns what, who's going for what,
who's closing what and when. The discovery of black sites
is somewhat of a controlled burn. The idea that you
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can give the public that feeling that secrets have been
discovered to prevent you know what I mean, like you
you cut off the arm to save the body. Project
Project century, isn't that important anymore. We don't need to
worry about it. We can tell people about that. But
then we're gonna keep these other seven so top secret.
Only Trump's gonna know about it. Oh, that's right, the president. Uh.
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I often wonder how much the president knows about these
sorts of projects. Feel like strategically they would have to
write because they make the final call. No some there's
some stuff that has to be compartmentalized so that they
can maintain plausible deniability, which means that they will have
a situation where they will talk in in a high
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level terms about something, but then someone else will take
care of it in the specifics and the nuts and bolts,
which is why you can have a situation where someone says,
I think that we should let's let's pivot and have
more you know, human rights in a given country, and
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then uh, a part of the government will go off
and say, okay, what does that mean? And then the
bombs start dropping. That's that's that can happen. That doesn't
you know. That's of course not the official policy, and
that of course doesn't happen all the time, but it
has happened historically. And again as we take pains to say,
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not just with the US, but we would like to
hear from you what military bases or in your neck
of the global woods? Right, do you do you live
near a foreign military base? The odds are overwhelmingly likely
that if you do, it's run by the US. And
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oh we should also say, as a disclaimer, not all
bases are created equally. The Diego Garcia airstrip site is
a very different an animal, uh than you know Guantanamo
Bay or Black Site in Poland's right, and that's very
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different from a military base in Germany or something. And
full disclosure, I used to live on military basis. Um.
I can assure you some are much more sophisticated and
livable than others. Uh. So let us know what your experiences,
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let us know what your life was like on a
military base. Um. And let us let us know your
opinion if you are comfortable sharing it, because again, you're
the best part of the show and the reason the
show works is because of your suggestions. Which reminds me
it's been a while since we did shot at Corners.
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I have a shout out today goes to Brent Liberati,
Brent Rights, I volunteer then Aviation Museum. And on our
flight back from an air show, we flew over the
U S National Radio Quiet Zone. Sound familiar, Um, we
happen to fly directly over Sugar Grove Station. Some of
our crew asked what it was. When another crew member
and myself we're able to explain it to them thanks
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mouthful Anyway, I took some pictures I thought you would enjoy.
I'll test him with the email. Hope men in black
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Keep on illuminating, Brent, And he said, some really cool
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the quiet zone? Um? Is that? And you can see
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we'll post these on social media or something. Can we
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all right? And Adam writes to us and ask Adam
c Rights to us desk, have you heard of vent
v h g m T Voluntary human extinction movement? If
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place to be. It's very reasonable. Take a look. I've
had these beliefs for a long time, but this guy
makes the most sense of anyone I've ever heard. Might
make a good show for you. Scary stuff, Adam, see
scary scary stuff, the idea of voluntary human extinction. I
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think a lot of people will have survival arguments against that.
But I looked at some of the information and it's
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huge suicide pact population mitigation preventing the lenthusiast collapse. And
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Thank you so much, Laura. It's very kind of you.
I'm surprised that your team has not done a video
about the weird theory surrounding rh negative human blood. I
am negative myself and recently researched the recess factor while
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the children of the Nephelim. I hope you will consider
the subject worthy of your show. I consider that very worthy.
That's a cool idea, so thank you so much more
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the more the more evidence I see that these folk tales,
and these ancient traditions may be based on other hominid
species encounters with early man and at times inter you know,
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Hello, just Matt again. Remember secret missions all the time
with the guys. Uh, they're away from the moment that
but they'll be right back actually in just a couple
of seconds when you hear them. In this classic episode
about Project ice Worm, This is from November. We often
talk about the secret machinations of governments and militaries on
(00:24):
this show, and this episode is no different. We're talking
about secret bases that are hidden away in in places
that you never expect. If you're a you know, a
regular old person like you and me. Uh, even if
you're a military, like an opposing military, you might not
think about places some of the secret places that military
has put these bases. And this secret base isn't a
(00:47):
very unexpected place, I don't know. Base in a place
I don't know. I like how that's rhyming. It's in Greenland,
you know, the the giant ice covered continent up there.
It's not really constant like an island is. It's Greenland
and it's a secret base and it's under the ice.
It's super cool. It's so cool. It's cold. Oh I'm
sorry here, guys. Take it away from UFOs to psychic
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powers and government conspiracies. History is riddled with unexplained events.
You can turn back now or learn the stuff they
don't want you to know. Hello, my name is Matt,
(01:33):
my name is Nol. They call me Ben. You are
you that makes this stuff they don't want you to know?
And as we are, as we're recording this, it's a
little before the U. S. Holiday called Thanksgiving. So when
this podcast comes out, hopefully if you are in the U. S.
And you celebrate this sort of thing, you will you
(01:55):
will be full of trip to fan the sleepy ingredient
in Turkey and taking a pleasant snooze. And if you're lucky,
your family has a elaborately decked out underground ice bunker
where you can enjoy their company. Um, in appropriate surroundings
for such a holiday. Um, I see ones right, and Uh,
(02:16):
that's that's what they call foreshadowing in the business, ladies
and gentlemen. Uh. You may also take a moment, if
you will, the day after Thanksgiving to celebrate National Heritage Day,
which is a commemoration of the Native American people who
were invaded by Europeans. Controversial, but that's the nature of
(02:36):
this show and it is factual. Today we are not
talking about Thanksgiving we are talking about military bases, government secrecy.
And so for those of us in the audience who
like the political stuff, you'll love this. Uh. And for uh,
those of us in the audience who say, hey, why
don't you do more paranormal stuff? Thank you for all
(02:57):
the awesome emails, tweets, some messages. Doing our best to
get more topics like that on this show. It can
be a little bit of an uphill battle, but hopefully
they're more on the way. We're also talking in a
way today about climate change. The crux of today's topic
dwells in the realm of geopolitics, the murky business of
the institutions seeking to control the world and the groups
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of people seeking to control those institutions. Here here are
the facts. Funny thing about America, right, And of course
we've been in the US. When we say America, we
mean the United States. Everyone in this country does it, sorry, Canada, Mexico,
totally all American. But the thing about the US, as
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seen by residents of the U S is that, well,
maybe we do it hypothetically. Matt, How would you feel
if how would you feel if a country built a
base on US soil? Like? Would it depend on the country.
You know, would you be more okay with France versus
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Saudi Arabia? Yeah, that would be where is it? Is
it an ally? Um? Not in my backyard? Yeah? Yeah?
What else is going on to you politically that necessitates
a base on US soil from another country? I mean,
I would hopefully look at it in those terms unless
it was in extreme close proximity to where I live
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and work every day. And what are we talking here?
Will there be nuclear payloads involved? You know, like I said,
not in my backyard. Mr. It's it's strange because the
overwhelming majority of US citizens or even just US residents,
overwhelmingly across the board demographics, Uh, demographics can be super
(04:49):
very old, young, wealthy, poor, various racial identifications, religious identifications,
political allegiances. Almost everybody says a foreign military base on
US soil, well, that's an abomination, that is an abomination
to this country. Yet US military bases on other countries
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soil are seen, as you know, essential to the various
political buzzwords of our time. National security. That's the great
boogeyman that we've explored in the past. Just to put
out there, I was playing a character and saying not
in my backyard, and I was I was that guy
that has that exact sense that there, you know, of
course we need them there, but don't don't let them
put them. Global stability is not my neighborhood stability UM
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and whatever else like what whatever else UH people use
to linguistically disguise that fact that's seen as the US
being sort of the world's police force, right, And you'll
also hear the You also hear the argument like, oh, yeah, yeah, well,
we built that base because people want us there. People
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want the rule of law, people want the security of
the world old's best military, and the US is almost
by any measure, the world's largest and most efficient millets
well not efficient, not efficient, just the largest and most
effective in terms of destruction. But this argument that people
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want foreign bases on their soil, or that other countries
want U S bases on their soil is usually not
true spoiler alert. When they say we want the u
S there, what they what they typically mean is something
like the leaders of the country have hatched to deal
with the leaders of this country to have this thing
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in um adjacent to UH country that the US is
hostile toward. So, for instance, South Korea and North Korea,
Iran and every other country surrounding Iran, because the US
sure hates Iran ever since they throughout the where did
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the US supported dictator? So, as far as we know,
the U S has built the most foreign bases in history,
in human history, more bases, more you know, foreign sights
than the Roman Empire, more than the UK, more than
commit more than Babylonian society UH. At this point or
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as of two thousand fifteen, the U S has around
eight hundred more or less publicly known if not officially
acknowledged like open secret bases. And you can learn more
about this in a book called Base Nation, How U
S Military Bases Abroad harm America and the World by
David Vine. Obviously, the guy's got a slant, but his
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numbers are on point in terms of the number of bases.
I don't know if I completely agree with his opinion
of what those all those bases are doing. And we're
also almost certain that there are more sites out there
that they remain unacknowledged and may remain unacknowledged for decades
and deck it's at least that is until the ice
begins to recede and the devils of the Imperial past,
(08:07):
come calling for their do what are we talking about?
You know, when you said that is them, you sounded
a lot like rod Sterling doing a Twilight Zone narration. Oh,
thank you man, their best come calling for the Thank
you so much. Rod Sterling is a is a hero
of mine. Good stuff. Thank you? Hey? What um? But
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what are we talking about specifically? Here? We talked about
underground layers. We talked about ice Specifically, we're talking about
a US military base called Camp Century and it's a project.
It's a part of this thing called Project ice Worm,
which was originally started as a way to quote test
construction techniques out in the Arctic or Arctic construction techniques. So,
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how do I make things work from an engineering perspective
when it's bitterly cold, like cold, unforgivingly cold, brutal? Was
that from the core of engineers? That was the description
of the Project cool. It exists a hundred and fifty
miles from an existing US base called Tually Air Base,
Camp Uh and that is it's also a hundred and
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twenty one miles from the coast of Greenland, right and
Tual the air base is still extend. It's the U
s Air Forces northernmost base, and it's a about seven
miles north of the Arctic Circle, a little less than
miles from the North Pole, the physical and not the
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magnetic one UM and it's or I should say, the
conceptual one, not the magnetic one. UM. So this, this
UH is home to the twenty one Space Wings global
network of sensors. Just to give some just to give
some context here. And when we say sensors, of course
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I mean the UH detection of external stimuli. I don't
mean editing the truth. And just to give people a
sense of like the layout of this I mean because
when I first started looking into it, I was picturing
some sort of fortified, crazy futuristic ice dome like James
Bond villain Lair style, like we talked about at the
(10:20):
beginning of the show. But what in fact we're talking
about is much more like a traditional military base where
you have you know, barracks, you have different research facilities,
you know, you have a gym um, a commissary, things
like that. So I'm looking at an aerial view of
it and it kind of just looks like a neighborhood.
But but it's not like their roads or anything like
(10:41):
that connecting these these things up. It's tunnels that were
board through the ice right, and we'll we'll take a
look at the construction as well. So at the time,
the US discussed the plans for building Camp Century with
Denmark and they said, as Matt pointed out, it would
be a demonstration of affordable ice cap military outposts. They
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believed Denmark at least officially believed this would be a
way to explore scientific concepts, so not an active application
of things, more a well this work, what can we
do with this? Um Denmark thought the U s would
explore practical problems with a semimobile nuclear reactor, like how
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could we make a movable nuclear reactor that is stable
and supplies enough power to support as Noel said, a town,
a military outpost of this size and being a base
camp for scientific experiments in the ice cap. And this
all was in a way true. However, what Denmark did
not officially know about and Noel, what are those what's
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that quote we use for air quotes? Officially? Yes, What
what Denmark did not officially know about was Project ice Worm.
This was a proposed system of tunnels that would, eventually,
according to their plans, be too thousand five miles length
used to deploy up to six hundred nuclear missiles that
would be able to reach the Soviet Union in the
(12:06):
case of nuclear war, which was a clear and present danger.
The brilliant thing about this is that the missiles were
under Greenland's ice sheets, so when deployed, if deployed they
would happen, they would launch too close to be detected
or prevented in time. This was also created before the
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US knew about the dead Man's Hand, the apocalyptic nuclear
UH nuclear system which exists in Russia today, which you
can find out about in our our previous audio podcast,
And just in case they were discovered or compromised somehow.
Even though Soviet technology, so far as the West knew,
cannot detect these weapons, the sites would still be changed periodically.
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We talked about the construction of this, so let's get
in a little more detail. There are twenty one trenches
and they had arched roofs UH and then inside of
those arches that's where they put these you know, like
prefab buildings. If you went to a public school in
the United States, then you have probably seen those add
on trailers that happen when UH. When there are more
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students than the building can house. He used to call
them portables when I was a kid, afordables. I don't
know if that's like a thing that was just in
my neck of the woods, but I remember that, and
it happens, especially if you're around you know, growing populations.
So these pre fabricated buildings, as Noll said, they had hospitals, chops,
(13:46):
a theater, a church. Of course, the total number of
inhabitants the highest point was two hundred, and they had
a very interesting electricity supply from nineteen sixty detail um
nineteen sixty three. The electricity supply was provided by the
world's first mobile portable nuclear reactor A portable, A portable exactly. Yeah,
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our ours didn't didn't have those, but um we had
we had R. L. Steinbooks, so plenty um. It was
referred to as the pm to A and designated by Alco,
the company for the US Army. Yeah, and p m
t A actually stood for something. It was, uh, portable
(14:32):
medium power, which is kind of cool. So it was
like one to ten megawatts is how much you could generate. Interesting,
you know, and uh, there's also such a great story
in there which listeners we we'd love it if you
take time to check this out and maybe we could
do something in the future on private engineering of nuclear facilities.
(14:55):
Because Alco started as a locomotive company, it's short for
American Locomotive Company. They also in Camp Century and the
planned Project ice Worm. They took water supplied from glaciers
and they had to this is such a cool side note.
They had to test it for plague just in case
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something survived there in the depths of the glaciers. And
here's what they eventually wanted to build um. This missile
network was outlined in a report called the Strategic Value
of the Greenland Ice Cap Completed. They were thinking this
will cover fifty two square miles. It will be three
(15:38):
times the size of Denmark, the country that technically the
US is occupying. Is that we didn't know about it.
They didn't know about this plan. They didn't officially know. Yeah,
they didn't know about But it's also interesting when we
when we think about a country like the US is
already larger than Denmark, right, and Denmark had rustiction over Greenland,
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and the US was building a base that was larger
than the country it was technically occupying. Do you know
the name of the capital of Greenland, nuke Beard right
under your nose, man, that's what I know. It's true.
I did. I didn't want to mention that A lot
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of sources refer to the base itself as more or
less a cover for this more strategic project where they
were trying to you know, really get a foothold, so
to speak, in the ice and like borrow these tunnels
in order to you know, have this strategic advantage. Um.
And the base itself was almost more just like a
(16:45):
cover project so they could actually do this more you know,
kind of top secret project, right, and also so that
I mean, let's sen of it this this way, um.
At this time, there are deep cover operatives from both
sides of the Cold War embedded in all sorts of
government and private industry positions, high value stuff. I just
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I find it difficult to believe that the Soviet sources
would not somehow get wind of this. Come on, man,
we're building this the test construction techniques. Come on. Oh yeah,
and I'm sure I'm sure Harp was just experimenting with
the ionosphere to see what would happen. Let's spend let's
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spend hundreds of millions of dollars on projects like this,
and I'm not I'm not quoting um exact financial amounts here,
but I am saying that you are absolutely right, Nolan
Matt The it was a cover They wanted to launch
complex to be twenty eight feet below the surface, and
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then the missile launchers themselves even deeper, and it would
be in clusters spaced about four miles apart from each other.
They would dig new tunnels every year, so after five
years there would be thousands of different possible firing positions
and they could rotate amongst those, which is important because
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that means that once the sovietside found out about it,
they would be playing whack a mole. Essentially, they couldn't
hit the whole thing at once. And they built a
different kind of or they intended to launch a different
kind of Minuteman missile. It was a shorter, two stage
version and they called it the Iceman, which I think
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is cool. It reminds me that play the Iceman Cometh. However,
it didn't last very long because you see the ice
was moving. Yeah, on Greenland, the surface ice is constantly
moving outwards from what would be essentially the center of
the continent as it forms and then moves towards the ocean.
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And this poses a problem for these tunnels that were
dug inside this ice because they're gonna be deforming, They're
gonna be uh you know, as a size and melting
like it's gonna bulge in on the tunnels. If you've
got a missile silo that's dug out in there, that
poses a huge problem. Stuff is gonna get covered up.
You're gonna have to be constantly I guess, maintaining like
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such huge amounts of maintenance that it would probably not
be feasible. And the idea of climate change at this
time was pretty much just a glimmer if that. I mean,
it just wasn't a thing. Yeah, absolutely, but they did. Yeah,
so it wasn't politicized the way it is now. Um.
But the patterns were in place right and for them
(19:41):
it was just pure science, was pure engineering. Just you
cannot build a castle on sands. We should mention too
that some of the first ice cores were taken in
that research facility we mentioned at the base, UM, which
would you know, which we're looking for variations historically in
the layers of ice in order to kind of see
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the way the planet had developed and what the conditions
were like over time. Yeah, I believe climatologists still use that.
The results from those today. You ever seen the way
they store those like they pull them out and they
they're stored in these like giant crazy tubes are than
like you know, kept in a climate controlled environment. It's insane.
I wouldn't want to be around it because I have
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this habit of this long standing principle I don't want
to touch things that I can't afford to replace. So listeners,
if you ever meet me in person, ah, I think
the world of you. I love you, death, love your kid.
Don't want to hold it. And what if plague is
in there been and what if plague is in there
met uh in the ice weming not in your So
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you're having these potential structural issues with this moving ice.
And by nineteen sixty two, the ceiling of the reactor
room where this portable nuclear reactor was uh, it dropped
and in this the reactor itself had to be lifted
five ft And we're talking, I mean this thing is well.
I know one one component of the reactor was twenty
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one tons, and I mean this is a massive undertaking
just to move this thing, and that poses a problem.
But then then they realized within three years the the
ice core samples started showing evidence that the glaciers was
moving actually faster than they had anticipated, and they realized,
this ice is going to destroy the tunnels and all
(21:31):
of these planned launch stations in like two years. We're
talking two years from now. Everything is destroyed that we
want to make. So they decided to you know, cut
their losses, and they evacuated the place in nineteen sixty.
A little bit after that in the nuclear generator itself
was removed, and they canceled Project ice Worm altogether, at
(21:54):
least officially, and Camp Century closed in nineteen sixty six,
and decades would pass before anyone else learned about this
UH In Denmark and the US had beef over previously
classified UH set of of dickments information regarding the n
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B fifty two crash at the Toil Air Base, and
because of that disagreement, the public learned and Denmark officially
learned of Project ice Worm. However, when we say the
public learned, often what we're what we're saying is that
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it was no longer classified, or it was technically on
paper available, So while it was publicly available, it was
highly unlikely that someone would use this information or or
even be aware of it. Right, so much it changed, however,
(23:00):
in scientists concluded that the portion of the ice sheet
covering Camp Century is most likely going to melt away.
We would have never learned about this thing, this secret
military base, unless it was already inevitable that this would
(23:22):
be exposed. And when it is exposed, we're talking about
some very dangerous possibilities. That's right. Remember that nuclear generator, Well,
that thing was pumping out hazardous materials, as you know,
as it was creating power. That's just how it functions.
So when they left, there's still at the site roughly
(23:46):
two liters of diesel fuel, roughly the same amount of
wastewater from the generator. There's all kinds of radioactive coolant
that's still there that that nobody even knows how much
is still there, and like PC, these other kinds of
organic pollutants. Yeah, man, I mean, I don't know if
I ever told you guys this one. I used to
work for a public radio My beat was the nuclear
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plant in the town where I lived in Augusta Georgia
UM and also there was a called the Savannah River Site,
which was converted into more of a research facility where
different scientists study the effects of nuclear waste on the environment.
The reason for that is is that it had been
the site of a refinery was built in the nineteen
fifties to refine materials used to make nuclear weapons. But
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when they decommissioned it, they had just buried all of
this waste in these pits that were aligned with what
the equivalent of like a tarp, you know, like a sheet,
and so there were all these different pits that they
had to clean. All these projects involved cleaning out this waste,
and then again the scientists their study of the effects
on you know, uh, deer and amphibians and turtles and
(24:55):
all this kind of stuff. Point being is that in
these days the government was not particular we concerned with
doing a real bang up job at cleaning up their messes.
So there's still a lot of learning that's going on
in these days about the effects of all that stuff.
Um not to you know, cast it away and say, oh,
they didn't know what they were doing. But still it's
(25:17):
uh irresponsible in some ways, absolutely, But you know, their
Their idea was, oh, the ice will just it'll just
be um preserved forever and no one will ever be
exposed to it, which there is some truth to that.
But as we know, that's that ice is receding still
and who knows what happens if it ever, you know,
did get exposed. Right between two thousand three and two
(25:39):
thousand ten, the ice that covers most of Greenland was
melting twice as fast as during the rest of the
twenty century. It's picking up the pace, and you can
look at the temperatures as well to see this. The
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only good thing currently is that in the immediate short
term it looks like there continues to be more and
more ice building up on top of of this site.
So in nineteen fifty nine, Camp Century was eight meters
below the ice. Uh, then in nineteen sixty five it
was twelve meters below the ice. Then in this year
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it stands at thirty five ms below the ice. But
like Ben said, what's happening here is the ice. The
ice sheet is generated in certain months or like certain
time of the year, then it melts away and then
it comes back a little bit and then it recedes.
So it's this ebb and flow of ice and the
melting is increasing, so they're what are they thinking, Ben, Yeah, yeah,
(26:49):
slightly before the end of this century. Yeah, that's when
all of the ice will be gone and this stuff
is just exposed to the elements. So is there no
uh program or anything that that's that's interested in cleaning
this up or getting in there and you know, taking
care of this in advance of that happening, or is
it just too inaccessible? Well, Greenland became largely independent in
(27:12):
nineteen seventy nine. The government's UM, the local government of Greenland, Denmark,
and the US are aware of this. The U s
has issued a statement saying that they are going to
work to address any concerns in Matt. I see you.
I just love that idea. We're gonna address any concerns.
(27:33):
It'll be fine. I see, I see Matt doing the
unhappy grit and headshake. Um. You're a man of many grins,
and I've learned to read several of them. I'm not
fluent in your language yet, but I'm picking up what
you're putting down. So you think it's malarkey, huh, I
don't know. I mean, there's not much money in cleaning up. Yeah,
(27:57):
it's not profitable for anyone. And you know, it seems
like we have a pretty standard policy in this country
when it comes to that kind of stuff, as who cares,
It'll be fine, we'll deal with it when we deal
with it once it gets really bad. Well, can you
can we honestly expect people who are especially if they're elected.
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Can we honestly expect people who are elected for a
term of four years or two years or even ten
years if that happens too, effectively create solutions that won't
come into play until twenty years, twenty five years. You
can't expect a person with a four year mind to
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make good twenty five year decisions. You can hope for it,
but you can't expect it. And that's that's one of
the problems here, is that we are as a species
on the precipice of extended lifespans, and it is quite
possible that the first person who will functionally be immortal
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one sense or the other is alive today. So this
problem is becoming less and less abstract. You know, it's
very easy to say, as as Drew Carey said once
in a stand up set, you know, forget the kids,
forget the later generations, I forget the ozone. I want
(29:22):
I want my hair spray now or whatever it was.
That that's the point, um now is the future is now.
It's happening. If you take decent care of yourself, then
medical technology will start with the obscenely wealthy, right, and
a few lottery winners who will get a careful what
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you wish for situation like the Henrietta Lacks, who is
the currently technically you guess you could say the mother
of the first immortal. Yeah, yeah, yeah, And that's not
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kind of immortality a lot of people would like. But
what we're saying is your odds of living to see
this are higher now than any point ever. And I
know that's yes, you're just chronologically closer. We're just chronologically closer.
But also you could be born in and white, possibly
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live to and not not live in some deluded state either.
You could be cognitively functional. And that's just one abandoned
base and we only learned about it because governments are saying, well,
people are going to find out eventually. Yeah. When Google
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Maps came along, they're like, yeah, well guess we get
to talk. Yeah, h when the when the glaciers. When
the glaciers melt starts changing colors, that fish start floating,
belly up again and more. Uh. Then, eventually, as we
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said at the beginning, the devil comes calling for his due.
And now in towards the very end of the year,
the US is likely making more military bases than it
is closing. Many countries are involved in this, mostly superpowers
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and outside of the public sphere. These countries intelligence agencies
are keenly aware of who owns what, who's going for what,
who's closing what and when. The discovery of black sites
is somewhat of a controlled burn. The idea that you
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can give the public that feeling that secrets have been
discovered to prevent you know what I mean, like you
you cut off the arm to save the body. Project
Project century, isn't that important anymore. We don't need to
worry about it. We can tell people about that. But
then we're gonna keep these other seven so top secret.
Only Trump's gonna know about it. Oh, that's right, the president. Uh.
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I often wonder how much the president knows about these
sorts of projects. Feel like strategically they would have to
write because they make the final call. No some there's
some stuff that has to be compartmentalized so that they
can maintain plausible deniability, which means that they will have
a situation where they will talk in in a high
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level terms about something, but then someone else will take
care of it in the specifics and the nuts and bolts,
which is why you can have a situation where someone says,
I think that we should let's let's pivot and have
more you know, human rights in a given country, and
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then uh, a part of the government will go off
and say, okay, what does that mean? And then the
bombs start dropping. That's that's that can happen. That doesn't
you know. That's of course not the official policy, and
that of course doesn't happen all the time, but it
has happened historically. And again as we take pains to say,
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not just with the US, but we would like to
hear from you what military bases or in your neck
of the global woods? Right, do you do you live
near a foreign military base? The odds are overwhelmingly likely
that if you do, it's run by the US. And
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oh we should also say, as a disclaimer, not all
bases are created equally. The Diego Garcia airstrip site is
a very different an animal, uh than you know Guantanamo
Bay or Black Site in Poland's right, and that's very
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different from a military base in Germany or something. And
full disclosure, I used to live on military basis. Um.
I can assure you some are much more sophisticated and
livable than others. Uh. So let us know what your experiences,
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let us know what your life was like on a
military base. Um. And let us let us know your
opinion if you are comfortable sharing it, because again, you're
the best part of the show and the reason the
show works is because of your suggestions. Which reminds me
it's been a while since we did shot at Corners.
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I have a shout out today goes to Brent Liberati,
Brent Rights, I volunteer then Aviation Museum. And on our
flight back from an air show, we flew over the
U S National Radio Quiet Zone. Sound familiar, Um, we
happen to fly directly over Sugar Grove Station. Some of
our crew asked what it was. When another crew member
and myself we're able to explain it to them thanks
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to std w y t K that's us. It's a
mouthful Anyway, I took some pictures I thought you would enjoy.
I'll test him with the email. Hope men in black
suits don't show up on my doorstep. Love the podcast.
Keep on illuminating, Brent, And he said, some really cool
pictures fly over pictures of this, uh, this area in
the quiet zone? Um? Is that? And you can see
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the radio telescope right there on the left here. Maybe
we'll post these on social media or something. Can we
do that? Yeah, yeah, yeah, if you're comfortable with it,
all right? And Adam writes to us and ask Adam
c Rights to us desk, have you heard of vent
v h g m T Voluntary human extinction movement? If
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you or your listeners are interested in human population mitigation
for the benefit of ecology and humanity, this is the
place to be. It's very reasonable. Take a look. I've
had these beliefs for a long time, but this guy
makes the most sense of anyone I've ever heard. Might
make a good show for you. Scary stuff, Adam, see
scary scary stuff, the idea of voluntary human extinction. I
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think a lot of people will have survival arguments against that.
But I looked at some of the information and it's
completely fascinating. Check it out. They're not talking about necessarily
huge suicide pact population mitigation preventing the lenthusiast collapse. And
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we have one more shout out for today. Laura writes
to us and says, Hey, I've been subscribed to your
channel for several years and I enjoy it very much.
Thank you so much, Laura. It's very kind of you.
I'm surprised that your team has not done a video
about the weird theory surrounding rh negative human blood. I
am negative myself and recently researched the recess factor while
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working on a novel. Some claim our h negative people
are descendants of ancient aliens, have special powers, or are
the children of the Nephelim. I hope you will consider
the subject worthy of your show. I consider that very worthy.
That's a cool idea, so thank you so much more
for writing in. It's fascinating. It's been a while since
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we looked at the idea of nephelim, you know, and
the more we learn about ancient human history, the more
it seems. I don't know how you guys feel, but
the more the more evidence I see that these folk tales,
and these ancient traditions may be based on other hominid
species encounters with early man and at times inter you know,
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at times interbreeding, which is why we're all likely to
carry some stranger DNA with us. So maybe the blood
is part of that. I could you. And that concludes
today's gosh as well as today's episode, But never fear,
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we will be back next week. We also are working
on some some things that may interest you that will
be coming out in December, so stay tuned and spoilers
and that's the end of this classic episode. If you
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