May 27, 2021 • 52 mins
Will we ever know the true purpose of the ancient, mysterious Gobekli Tepe? Are campus police using their authority to protect students -- or to protect their school's reputation? Ben and Matt reenact a dramatic reading of one listener's encounter with disappearing (and reappearing) objects. All this and more in this week's listener mail.
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
From UFOs to psychic powers and government conspiracies. History is
riddled with unexplained events. You can turn back now or
learn the stuff they don't want you to know. A
production of I Heart Radio. Hello, welcome back to the show.
(00:25):
My name is Matt Noel is on an adventure and
that guy is doing something interesting. They called me Ben.
We're joined as always with our super producer Paul Mission
Control decons. Most importantly, you are you, you are here,
and that makes this the stuff they don't want you
to know. Matt, Yeah, you caught me. Sorry, you know
(00:46):
the song calls are we're we're recording remotely today and
one of the funniest things for any of our fellow
conspiracy realists who have been, you know, meeting on video platforms.
I strongly suspect that the majority of people on those
calls are kind of staring at their own thumbnail of
their face and like self adjusting. But but I want
(01:10):
everyone to know, writer or die, Matt Frederick here is
that this guy pays attention and like, to be fair,
I was looking at myself and I caught you out
of the corner of my eye. But you know, okay, sure, well, okay,
I believe it. I believe it. But uh, but yeah,
this is uh, this is pretty uh wild day for us,
(01:31):
wild week really here in Atlanta, and with all the
stuff that's happening, of course, Uh, the our favorite, our
mutual favorite time of day is when we can get
together and record this show. And this is one of
our favorite segments because listener mail is where you can
speak directly to your fellow listeners. And we've got some
(01:54):
We've got some strange stuff here today, Matt, and I'm
really trying not to derail us with banter. I mean,
we're going to Turkey, We're learning some very strange stuff
about a university that will be familiar to a lot
of people. But also, you know, I was thinking of recently, Man,
for the first time in a while, do you remember
the Grinch he or I mean one that one Mr Grinch? Yeah,
(02:20):
that song is amazing. I was thinking about how well
written and beautiful and brutal and weirdly specific the insults are.
And I was like, man, if someone like if a stranger,
just because strangers talk to each other all the time.
In Atlanta, we usually are going to ask for money
or say some kind of wholesome compliment. But I was
(02:43):
just thinking, you know, I was walking um into the
office today and I was like, if a stranger came
up to me and was like, hey, you've got garlic
in your soul, it would like wreck me, right, Like,
what does that mean? I touch you? Right? If someone
(03:07):
just said that to you, I don't know, I mean
really weirdly specific insults and that that's like, that's someone
saying that to you is the kind of thing that
would make you finally go to therapy for sure. Man,
I want to talk to you, but you just got
garlic in your soul, right, right? And Zen, what's happened?
(03:34):
She left? And that was that And now I'm you know,
I'm just here trying to add more things to my
soul to you know, really even out thin that garlic out. Yeah,
you tell me some roseberry that goes well, Uh, this
is going to be the worst segue of this year. No,
(03:56):
let's see if we could do it. So So that's
what listen mail is. We're taking this different ingredients from
around the world and stories from around the world, and
we're we're putting um, Matt help me out here. When
we're incorporating it with the garlic and our soul and
it becomes something way more pleasant. Yeah, there it is,
(04:17):
And this is a vampire friendly show, so don't worry.
We'll keep the keep the garlic in your soul, not
in your ears, your bloodstream. But yeah, we have a
specific message written to any and all vampiric creatures that
it says, come on in like you don't need our permission,
come right on it. And in all the years that
we've been doing this version of this show, we have
(04:41):
never had anything but great results with that. I know
it's surprising you think there would be more bites, I mean,
just on principle, but honestly, it's really more about philosophical
discussion with with a lot of vampires I've noticed. Yeah, yeah,
it feels like they have a lot time to think,
you know what I mean, maybe more than we do.
(05:05):
Are they always plugged into the zeitgeist fashion sense. Maybe
a little anachronistic, but they're good people, I know, especially
especially vampires from New Zealand. I find them to have
the best sense of humor. Yes, agreed, agreed, and the
critics agree as well. Uh so that's what that's what
(05:25):
we're doing in a vampire friendly way, we're combining these
weird ingredients that you that you have offered not not
just us, but more importantly to your fellow listeners. And
Matt at this point, I'm wondering, well, we have one
story that's more an historical mystery, and then we have
one story that has clear and present consequences in the
(05:46):
modern world. Maybe we start with the historical aspect and
then go to the modern mystery. What do you think?
I like it? Linear Time, Let's do it. Linear Time.
I've I've heard of it. I think it's overrated, but
it's per pick for this show. And uh oh man,
you know, I wonder if we're going to get emails
about that weird beginning again. It's just been a weird week.
(06:09):
Listen off, Mike, everybody. Ben showed up today and said, Matt,
I've got the banter and I said, oh, I'm excited
for it. Let's do it, and he just he did
not let anyone down. It's too It's been on my mind.
I don't know why. I'm just I like, I was
reading and parsing the lyrics. I learned about the people
who wrote the lyrics. It's a whole thing. But also
(06:30):
you're too kind, Matt, because I did say if you
were called useless banter, I wasn't going to put that
on front. I think it was great. Well you that's
there's a reason why we're close friends, and it is
that you enabled me in both my rippling ether addiction
and useless banner. We're keeping the ether thing. We're keeping
(06:51):
the ether call back. So uh, here is our first
correspondence from today. It is from Paul, not all mission control.
Another Paul. And here's what you said, Paul. He said, Hi,
my name is Paul redacted. That's just us redacting it. Uh.
And yes, you can use my name on your podcast,
(07:12):
should you choose to do so. Now onto it. I
like your spirit, Paul. I am a fan of alternative
histories that are ignored because they defy paradigms, even though
solid evidence exists. I have several, but I will start
with one so I don't waste both of our times.
If this type of thing does not fall into your parameters,
(07:34):
go Beckley Tepish is an archaeological site in modern day Turkey.
It pushes Man's civilizations back thousands of years earlier than
currently believed. It is a megalithic site. That has only
been excavated about five percent. It appears that this vast
complex was intentionally filled in and buried after it was
done being used, and is enigmatic to the extreme. I
(07:58):
hope you at least looking to it. I love your podcast, though,
I am a new listener and new to podcast in general.
And we'll stop there. Uh, Paul, you ended it with
stay curious, and that is a great way to end
the letter. Now this, Matt, I think this speaks to
both of us. Huh, it's really talking our language there,
Paul Um. I would say I learned the vast majority
(08:21):
of my understanding about what I heard. I don't know
why when it was said, go blecky tepe. I don't
know why. That's what I heard. When I listened to
Danikin pronounce it on ancient Aliens. I think that was
the first time I ever heard it. But it's you're right,
it's go Beckley, go Beckley tep Ish. Yeah. I am
(08:43):
also not a native speaker of Turkish, got it. I've
heard it pronounced tep Ish almost like with that soft
at the edge. Uh. That maybe just the accents or
the regional dialects of the people. I was listening to
like I said, for me, it was all Dannakins, So
it was in his interesting accent there, and I think
he you know the way however he said it etched
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itself into my mind and now I can only hear
him say it. But yeah, that this place is fascinating,
and it does seem it does seem to have some
unbelievable stuff going on when it comes to fitting it
within you know, the historical timeline of of when it
was created, what it was used for, who created and
(09:29):
everything like that. Um, but let's let's jump into it, Ben,
what have you found? So we thought a good way
to uh introduce this before we do a deeper dive,
possibly a full episode, is to talk a little bit
about what we know about the history of this site,
where it's located, and why it remains so mysterious, enigmatic,
(09:56):
and inde tantalizing to people in the modern day. Um
armchair experts, professional archaeologist, fringe writers like Eric von Danikin
and the and the like. So this is incredibly weird.
There are people listening to the show today who were
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alive before the modern discovery of go Back Lady tapes.
So it was just noted in this survey way back
in nine but it wasn't until October that an archaeologist
named Klaus Schmidt started digging into not an intentional pun
(10:40):
not an intentional pun. Uh. He started re examining this
site because he was looking at a nearby site, and
that's when they discovered something that fundamentally altered our understanding
of human civilization. This thing is old. The oldest layer
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dates back to about nine thousand b c. E uh.
It is not just a nomalous for its age. So
human beings of this time are supposed to be doing
certain things due to a current understanding, they're not really
building settlements like this. This site, which is in the
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foothills of Turkeys Taurus Mountains, is um. It's right at
the headwaters of a tributary of the Euphrates, and so
right there very close to Syria, the border of Syria
to the south. Yes, yeah, exactly. And it's an artificial
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mound which is also known as a tell, which is
on a flat plateau built of limestone. It does appear
to be a religious site. It contains multiple like multiple
indications of the construction of agelas. It also predates Stonehenge
by something like six thousand years. This is not supposed
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to be here at this point in time. We've done
previous episodes on things that have been considered like anachronistic
historical objects, right, like discoveries of possible batteries in ancient
dig sites, things like that. But this thing is that
this is the kind of evidence you cannot ignore. There
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is a huge amount, literally tons of evidence that human
beings were building these kinds of structures far before they
were thought to be capable of doing so. And we
we can talk a little bit about that, like this
the pillars. The pillars, even though they predate Stonehenge by
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quite a bit, they still got some Stonehenge vibes because
they're they're like the Wagh between seven and ten tons, Yeah,
they do. These are huge stones, sixty ft hoigh there um,
and the etchings that are on them are really remarkable.
If I think some of the biggest questions that come
from this area, from this specific place at that time,
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how how were those etchings created? How are these stones cut?
Because you're talking about you know, stone tools, probably probably
flint tools. One of the main reasons is that the
stone that's being worked with here is limestone, and it
is a little easier comparatively to some other stones and
rocks that you know, have been chill little away at
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as we enter in the Iron Age, and you know,
some of the get closer down our linear timeline here,
but it does seem like it would have been possible
for whoever was there to create these, specifically the pillars
pretty close by, get them up a hill, you know,
with a lot of effort, and then stand them upright
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and in some cases actually chip away the limestone own
deposits themselves that are already existing there in the site.
So actually like carve out a thing rather than carve
something and take it there exactly yet and that's the
other that's another piece. So according to the official narrative
pre you know, nineties or so, uh human beings, we're
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in the stage of domestication and agriculture when they started
building stuff like this. But from everything they've gathered on
this site, it's clear that whomever built this, they were
hunter gatherer groups, meaning that they had not yet domesticated animals,
nor had they gone into farming. They were still foraging
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in the wild and hunting. It's also interesting that it
does not appear people lived there. There aren't living quarters.
This was a site where people went for specific purposes,
and it appears to be a site where things have
been torn down, own and rebuilt on that site multiple times.
It's not a super convenient site if you're the average
hunter gatherer. Uh, the closest water sources like five clicks away,
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so that measure five kilometers. So so technically, like you know, logically,
we could assume that people that someone in the group
would have said, do you guys want to build like closer,
like where we can drink water, And then someone was like, no, idiot,
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our forefathers built these gigantic stone megaliths. We're gonna knock
them down, we're gonna rebuild them, and we're not We're
not going to spend too much time here. Well, you know,
they just have to say. I think the question of
the purpose of the site is one of the most
fascinating because it, like you said, being far from the water.
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It does almost feel like it was a site for
pilgrimage of some sort, or a site that was treated
as very special in some way that people would go
out to at some time of year or for some
you know, specific purpose and then would leave. Um and Ben,
did you already talk about how it's been covered up?
Like the mound itself seems to have been created because
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there were sculptures dug, there were pillars set up, there
were structures created, and then the whole thing was filled up,
and then stuff was built on it or near it,
and then it was filled up again and it would
just continued in that fashion. That's a very important point
because we know that we we mentioned that it had
been parts have been torn down rebuilt, but we didn't
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mention that they had been built atop one another, hadn't
been cleaned out, just destroyed and built over. You're right,
And we also to add to the mystery here, and
I'm sure this will speak to a lot of our
fellow fiction writers in the crowd. To add to the
mystery here. The car irvings that are still extant on
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the pillars are not things like deer or cattle or
birds that you would eat. They're the stuff that you
would have been scared of or at least alarmed by
if you were a hunter gatherer. Lions, spiders, snakes, scorpions,
which lad which led some scholars to say it's a scary,
(17:25):
fantastic world of nasty looking beast. So why did these
people build what seems to be uh an intentionally frightening
place right based on those sculptures, and and why did
they expressly travel to it? I had out how what? Okay? Yeah,
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what's the scoot? I figured it out. Yeah, this is
a training ground for hunters. This is like West Point
for hunters of this time, where they'd have to travel
out there. They would get educated by you know, some
hunters who've been around on the block a couple of times,
and you know, you would get taught about specific spiders
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that lived in the region, or snakes or you know,
predators that would be hunting you while you're hunting for
the group. I'm telling you that's what it has been
training around for elite hunters. Well, I you know what,
I am tempted to agree, and no else is tempted
to agree with you. Klaus Schmidt in a way, in
(18:26):
a way, in a way, you're a little more positive
than he is about it. We will do a full
episode on this What do you think do you think
we can do a full episode on this one? Oh? Yeah, yeah,
for sure. We can go over so many there's so
much detail to go over in this. Yeah, So we're
going to come back to this story in the future,
but for now, maybe we'll end on how Schmidt in
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a way seems to agree with Matt or you're both
thinking in the same directions at the time of recording
right now, in one like eleven thousand plus years after
this stuff was originally built, we still don't know exactly
what it was for, which means your guests is as
good as ours, and Paul is right that this has
not been fully excavated. Schmidt himself has a theory. You see,
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his team has found fragments of human bone in the
structure over the years of excavations, and because the floors
of the rings have been shown to be made of
hardened limestone in deep test pits, he's betting that if
they keep digging, they'll find that go Beckley Tepis was
(19:35):
a final resting place for a society of hunters, so
this was a burial ground. Here's what he specifically says.
I'm quoting from Smithsonian here. He says perhaps the site
was a burial ground or the center of a death cult.
The dead laid out on the hillside amongst these stylized
gods and spirits of the afterlife. And if that's true,
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Schmidt says, that also explains the weird location because now
the dead are they have a wonderful view basically looking
out over the hunting grounds. We're gonna we're gonna leave
it there. We're gonna come back in the future. With
more from Schmidt. We'd like to hear your guesses about
go Beckley tepesh Uh bonus points if they're super out there.
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And with that, we're going to take a quick break
here here from our sponsor and we'll be right back.
And we're back, and now, due to our apparently new
found fandom of linear time, we're going to travel closer
to the modern day. Yes, that's right, almost to modern day.
(20:44):
We're going to jump to an email from someone calling
themselves Darth Brigham. Darth says, well, guys, your listener male
from five four teen talked about how insecure and susceptible
to abuse criminal records are, and there's a great exam
ample of that where I live, Provo, Utah. Provo is
home to Brigham Young University or b y U, a
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private religious institution run by the Mormon church. Nearly all
of its thirty five thousand students are members of that church,
and they receive a heavily subsidized education, and some reports
put the cost at three to four times what they pay. Yeah,
just for a snapshot reference here. Uh the for the
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year twenty one, undergraduate tuition and fees were five thousand,
nine hundred and seventy dollars, which is per semester. Uh No,
looks like the total the whole year. Wow, talking about subsidized.
We I think what we're saying is we see where
you're coming from, Darth. Yeah, that's that's pretty good. Okay,
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that's like did we mess up? Did we mess up?
When we went to college? I had hope scholarship and okay, wow,
all right, m nice. Now we know. Well, let's go
on with what Darth is saying here. Perhaps because of
how much it pays, the Mormon Church has a strict
code of conduct for its students. No drugs, drinking, smoking, coffee, sex,
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things close to sex, things a little bit farther from sex,
homosexual actions of any kind, revealing clothes, porn, and other things.
You cannot even go to the house of a member
of the opposite sex after midnight and men must be
clean shaven. Now, this code of conduct is what we're
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really going to be talking about today, So just put
a pin in all of that. What Darth is saying
here is very accurate. Let's continue. Penalties for violating this
code range from probation and writing essays to expulsion. The
office that monitors this is the Honor Code Office. The
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event I'm going to tell you about has caused him
good changes before it. Anyone could report you anonymously to
the Honor Code Office, than the h c O would
not always tell you why you were called in, And
sexual assaults sometimes resulted in the victim being punished for
violating some of the lesser rules. So the victim would
be punished for violating lesser rules. Thankfully, Darth doesn't think
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they were ever blamed for being assaulted, but they were
blamed for consensual things that led up to it. So
like maybe you were drinking at a house party, yeah,
or you were even at a house of the opposite
sex at us, you know, past a certain time, right, um,
who knows. We don't have the specific details there and
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those that is what Darth is writing to us. Sing
Darth says nowadays, there are no more anonymous reports. Victims
of assault get immunity, and the Honor Code Office tells
you why you are there to speak with them. I
guess when they call you in. So there's more to this.
I'm gonna keep going because it's worth us hearing. I
guess first before we have a discussion. So here we go.
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In Utah, universities have their own police force. This is
very important to keep this in mind. With all the
powers of a typical police officer, Brigham Young University has
its own police force, and in someone at a neighboring
police force noticed the b y U Police accessing the
police report database much more often than their counterparts in
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other agencies. There were at least six thousand records accessed
between and seen. These records were for police reports in
the cities and counties surrounding Brigham Young University. So just
to recap there, someone at the b y U Police
is accessing this wider database a lot. The b y
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U Police had been scanning reports, looking for students names
and in many cases sharing the information with the Honor
Code Office. These were not convictions for crimes. These were
just situations where part of the code of Conduct had
been violated. In one case, a rape victim had the
results of her medical examination gleaned from the police report
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and given to the Honor Code Office. She was subsequently
forbidden from enrolling in future classes until she submitted to
an investigation, despite the objections of the county prosecutor, who
who asked b y U to at least wait until
the trial was over. It's chilling to think how many
other times the Honor Code Office received information it used
(25:34):
to punish students. Like I said, thankfully things have changed.
A new Title nine office supports victims, the police no
longer share information with the Honor Code Office, and the
Honor Code Office has a new director. But this does
show the damage they can come from unfettered access to
police information. And then Darth left us a link for
(26:00):
a twenty nineteen story for further reading on our part,
and I guess that's what we can talk about next.
But Ben, what are your thoughts after all of that. Well, it's, uh,
it's it's indicative, unfortunately, of a larger problem with reporting
of crime to campus police forces. You know, they're they're
(26:22):
unfortunately no shortage of examples of times where victims of
an assault have been stone walled or shut down at
various institutions, and some quite prestigious. We also know that
when there's not oversight for this kind of stuff, that's
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the question. Like for a long time, it wasn't technically
illegal right for the b y U Campus police to
do this, but it is incredibly dangerous because there's not
a way of knowing the true motivations for that search.
There aren't requirements, like the qualification requirements for being able
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to search this system are just are you b y
U Police? It's not are you b y U Police
looking up a conviction or you know, following up on
a um on a case in a way that helps
the victim, you know what I mean? Yeah, sure, exactly,
you're not. You're not investigating on behalf of someone in
(27:28):
that way, or at least you are, but it's on
behalf of I guess the Honor Code office, right, And
you know, often we have like we have to remember
for this is not hyperbolic, I believe, but we we
have to remember that for many people in these situations,
this is the worst moment or experience of their life
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up to that point. You know, and the authorities or
the structure that has put in place to ensure their safety. Um,
it feels like an absolute subversion for that same power
structure to appear to be persecuting you, you know what
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I mean. And because of because of that, because of
the trauma that many survivors of assaults especially experience, there's
already often going to be some internal pressure, some familial
pressure not to pursue justice, as sad as that is
(28:32):
to say, as heartbreaking as it is to say, and
then coupled with secular pressure, coupled with religious pressure, coupled
with campus pressure, it stacks the odds against these victims.
I I think you and I are on the same
page with Darth and a lot of our listeners. This
is a horrific thing. So really we're just talking. It
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feels like overstepped and and it is overstepped because there
was a whole investigation into this one police officers use
of these records. It was one lieutenant right who was
accessing records for a long time over the course of
those years. His name is Aaron Rhodes, and there was
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a criminal investigation that was looking into him, and at
least when this report was written by the Salt Lake Tribune.
In t there was discussion about removing the police force
from b y U entirely because of the essentially abuse
of power here or misuse of these records. It says
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that he was looking at reports for from the Oram Police,
the Utah County Sheriff's Office, and the Provo Police, so
like like we said, or like Darth said, all the
surrounding areas basically all of those law enforcement offices. He
took information from the report and shared them with the
Dean of Students office, the Title nine office, and the
honor code office. So he's literally taking that information and
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just funneling it through the entire university system. And because
that honor code exists, because there are direct consequences related
to that honor code. Not only would somebody who's you know,
maybe did do something wrong and had a police report
written about them or at least violated some you know
statute in one of these places, Um, they are now
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not only going to get punished by that law enforcement agency,
they're going to get punished by their school, which does
feel very weird. Yes, yeah, hard degree there. The issue
is that while those solutions may seem apparent to people
on the outside. Uh, they don't they. I guess they're
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not as apparent for the people who are participating in
these power structures, you know. And the most like the
most extreme Hollywood version of this is also unfortunately a
true story at times. And this extreme version is a
narrative something like this, A student, you know, whatever, whatever
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gender they are identify as, is uh, sexually assaulted by
a another student who is a legacy student, right, or
perhaps a very prominent instructor or professor of some sort
um or you know, a very promising athlete or something.
And then let's take like the most Hollywood version of
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the villain in this case would be the very wealthy
legacy student. And by legacy student we mean someone who
primarily got into an academic institution because of their parents
financial contributions and because their parents had gone there in
the past, you know what I mean. It's like the kid,
the kid who has the same last name as the
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library or whatever. Yeah, is someone where it would where
just the fact that this person had got into trouble
could be a public relations issue for the school itself, right,
I think I think that's where we're going exactly. So
then a class argument would enter in there, and they
would say, hey, we need to resolve this quietly for
the good name of the school. And also part of
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the motivation that's implied there is we would really like
the far fig Nugan family or whomever von far fig Nugan,
Let's make them fancier. They would like the von Farfignugen
family to continue donating to our OBOE program or whatever.
And this the reason I'm picking these kind of ridiculous
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and specific examples is because I do think it is
specifically ridiculous, indeed in human to put somebody's physical and
mental well being beneath something, as in the long run,
inconsequential as a building or a donation, especially in these
very renowned institutions whose endowments are mind boggling. They're not
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hurting for money, they want the prestige. But I don't
think you should sacrifice human beings to do it. I
want a pivot here, just quickly to hear a quote
from this article from S. Daniel Carter, who's the president
of Safety Advisors for Educational Campuses LLC. Again, it's from
that Salt Lake Tribune article from UM. S. Daniel Carter
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says it is common for institutions to use their campus
police to also serve as security and enforce institutional policies,
but use of police access to effectively spy on students
to enforce non criminal codes of conduct in this manner
is unconscionable. In doing so, here, a private entity would
(33:47):
be using the power of the state to affect their
own religious rules, something with potentially significant ramifications. That's definitely
the way I'm feeling about it personally when I think
about this, especially in that one assault case where the
lieutenant that we mentioned earlier immediately went and looked up
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looked up in like full details on a rape case
and sent it to the Honor Code office. And it
was about the victim, like very intimate details about it.
That's really wrong. Um, well, hey, this is something we
can definitely look more into. If you've ever been to
Brigham Young University, if you've been on the police force there,
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a student there, faculty, maybe you've been on that board.
You probably wouldn't write to us if you've been on
the Code of Conduct board, but you know, we'd love
to hear your experience what this is like. If you're
a member of the more In Church, we'd love to
hear what you think about that code of conduct. Is
it a great thing, a terrible thing? Is it just standard?
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We'd love to hear from you. So please contact us
in between the moment where we leave right now and
get back you ready, We'll be right back with some
more listener mail, and we've returned. As as I've noted
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off air, it is in a way always Halloween in
America means that it is never it is never too
soon to celebrate, and because we all wear masks man
all the time. Before the pandemic, I wrote a poem
about this. I feel so embarrassed saying this. I'm I'm
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not ready to share it, but maybe one day. I'm
talking metaphysical man like who are you right now? Even
you know? Mask off? Yeah? Yes, well terrible poetry aside. Uh,
And you can always message me if you want to
subject yourself to reading some of it. Uh. One thing
that I think Matt, you and I have both really
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been enjoying were the various stories we've been receiving from
our fellow listeners about haunted objects. And so what we
thought we would do today is share and share a
story that really captured us that we both super enjoyed,
and we thought you would like to hear it too,
(36:19):
so we're going to We're gonna read this as a
letter pretty much in full, and Matt and I are
gonna trade off at certain times. So here we go.
This is from Tabitha h. Tabitha says, Hi, guys, gals
and any non binary pals who may be interested. Uh sorry, guys,
(36:41):
gals and non binary pals. Love the rhyming scheme already
it rhymes Yes, this is a very talented writer. We
should be honest about that from the get go. Tabitha,
you say so. I heard you give another call for
writing in about haunted objects while catching up on my
pod list today, and I decided I might as well
tell you about my experience not necessarily haunted question mark.
(37:05):
I'm not sure what to classify it as, but it's
definitely something I have yet to find an explanation for.
So interesting. Nonetheless, as the pandemic was really starting to
ramp up last year, I bought a few different handmade
cotton masks just to have a few on hand. One
of them was a print of lady scientists doing science
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e things. And I love science, and especially science of ladies.
So it was my favorite one. One day I went
to look for it and it wasn't there. I had
a dedicated basket by the door for a few different
masks I like variety, so I knew where it ought
to be. But it wasn't. It hadn't fallen to the floor,
checked by purse, empted it completely, nothing. Maybe I left
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it in a jeans pocket, nope, dropped it in the
car nowhere. I looked for two weeks, as did my partner,
before giving up, deciding it must just have gone. It
had fallen out into a parking space or something. Who knew.
I ordered a new one because I loved the print,
so I still wanted it. It came, I worried. Everything
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proceeded as normal, though I was still kind of bummed.
I have to admit. About a month or so after
getting the new one, I was visiting my mom to
drop something off for her. So I took my new
Lady Scientists mask and put it in my purse to
wear for that. Dropped off the thing, headed back toward home,
decided to get a coffee, put the Lady Scientists mask
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back on, went in to get my coffee and came
back out. I went to take off my mask and
put it in my purse, like I literally always do,
which is why I didn't know how I could have
lost the first one, except it's already in my purse,
right on top of everything, not hidden in the depths
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or whatever, but extremely visible. I'm like, wait, did I
wear a different mask to go in and get coffee?
So I look at the and in my hand, it's
the same mask. There are two, one just removes my
new one, and one sitting on top of everything in
my purse the old one. They did have a slightly
different fit, so I could distinguish them, but it doesn't
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really matter, just the fact that there were suddenly two.
The first one literally appeared out of absolutely nowhere. I had,
in fact worn the second one in to get coffee
and to my mom's I had gotten in and out
of my purse several times over the course of the
trip to get my keys, my phone, mask in out, etcetera.
I had carried my purse in to get coffee with me.
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I put my phone in my purse before I got
out of the car, so I certainly would have seen
the first mask sitting in the way had it been
there when I did that. Obviously it was not, and
then it was. I'm a huge skeptic. Even if you
guys sounded like you might be getting into a theory,
I scoff and I explained it away, especially when it
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comes to haunted objects or in sence exactly like this.
I'm of the mind that there is always a rational
explanation if you look at something hard enough, but I
have yet to find one for this several months later.
Even my partner, a bigger skeptic than me, can't find one.
I have no idea what happened, and it doesn't particularly
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seem haunted. There was nothing nefarious about it, and I
was pleased to have my mask back then. Yes, I
did watch it immediately, so I don't know if I
caught the eye of a benevolent deity or if the
fathe somehow trapped me with it or what. But I
honestly have zero rational explanation for this even now. Anyway,
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after hearing about this blue ball thing, it seemed like
it was time to share. I hope you guys enjoyed.
I doubt this is interesting enough to talk about on air,
but if you do, please just use my first name. Thanks.
Love the show. Tabitha. So first I've think of indulge ourselves.
It's dramatic eatings, Matt. I think we both have a
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lot of fun with that. I think it's more interesting
we have it back and forth and just listening to
one person, you know what I mean. Yeah, But the
thing that I thought was, um that the only thing
I disagree with you about, Tabitha, and I think, Matt,
you might back me up here, is that this is
interesting enough to read on air because I don't know
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about you all, but I've always, I have often had
those situations where things seem to disappear and reappear, and ah,
you know, frequently I can explain that by saying like
I'm an absent minded professor type or whatever. You know,
I lose things that aren't tied to me. But there
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are things that I you know, I can't. I can't
explain how something has disappeared or resurface. And in a way,
it's it's similar to that story about the allegedly haunted
blue ball. And I wanted to ask you, Matt, have
you ever had a situation like that in your life
where you you've you've had a thing and your thing
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always goes you know, everything in its right place kind
of style. Your thing always goes in that spot. Uh,
Like a lot of people do that with wallets, keys, phones,
only to find that object disappear and then to maybe
have it resurface. I I don't know, how would you
explain it. Maybe it's a little different for you because
you have a kid, right, who might you know, take
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something and play with it and then put it back
later something like that. Put it back later? Yeah, right,
sneak in here while I'm recording. Sometimes you can't see
everything that's going on in the shelf. And for a
while I had some some dice down there, and I
had some other magic cards. There's most of them up there.
But he would sneak in here sometimes I'm not even noticing.
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He'll take something, but he won't put it back. No, no, no,
he stores it away like some dragon in his horde
that he's got and I won't find it for months.
But but no, that's not what we're talking about. I
have a series I have had a series of gas
station sunglasses. I don't know if anybody has ever purchased
sunglasses at a random gas station, but this guy does
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it all the time. Because I will have one that
I love. I'm like, man, I love the style of
these gas station sunglasses, and I'll wear them all the
time every time I drive, when I'm at the house,
if I'm on the lawn, I'm the cool gas station
shades guy. Those are still the ones I'm rocking because
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they've stuck around for the longest time. All the other
ones leave for a while, and I would say, forty
of them come back somehow, and I'll just rediscover them. Um. Also,
my son could be a fault here because he loves sunglasses.
Sometimes I catch him wearing mine. Solved at least this
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example of this mystery. You know, I think one thing
this leads us to, like one of the big psychological
aspects is we're all unreliable narrators of our own lives
and our own past, you know, so, uh, the human
mind is fallible. But I was talking to people, um
about stories like this before we were recording today, and
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I was startled to find that almost everybody had maybe
not a story where they thought was a haunted object
or some kind of weird teleportation or something like that.
They seemed more inclined to even the most skeptical just
say Huh, my keys were there, they weren't They're back.
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Do my keys have a secret life? You know? I
like vacation. Did my keys take vacation? Right? It's definitely
And a lot of our skeptics in the crowd would say, yeah,
people are just people are just maybe not giving their
ability to be absent minded as much credit as it deserves.
(45:01):
But with that in mind, I would love to hear
other people's stories of objects that have inexplicably disappeared and reappeared.
Especially this is something it doesn't happen all the time,
but there have been people that I've heard from who
are correlating this with some important event in their life,
you know, like a relative dies. Then they hear about
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this the day they find this significant object that they
had treasured. Things like that, um and how much of
that is the human mind creating patterns where they do
not necessarily exist or is there something more to the story.
Last note, apologies to everybody. It's go Beckley Tepa. Nope,
it's go back Gilbert Godfa. That's how it's pronounced. He
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is named after that site. Uh, and we will confirm
it with him. I I I can't get Dannekin Von
Dannekin out of my head. You'll just have to watch
a clip online if you don't know what I'm talking about.
Fontanakin and always says h quickly, tippy. And there's an
(46:13):
interesting study about how people in the Anglo sphere tend
to assume someone is more authoritative if they have specific,
not all, but specific types of European accents and British accents.
Especially so if you're ever watching one of those shows
and you're wondering, why did they pick somebody with this
accent to do this, then just pay extra special attention
(46:37):
to what they're actually saying. Don't let me fool you.
Don't let Daniel Radcliffe get one over on you just
because he's got that awesome accent. Yeah, or Michael Caine,
I mean that guy would kill it solid uh yeah,
man Idris Idris Elba. That's another one, And what better
way to end the show. Please let us know what
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you think about go back they tap up ak pronounced
Gilbert Godfried. Please let us know. Please let us know
if you have had experiences with the problems we're talking
about about campus prosecutions and sometimes how those forces may
be used to cover up crimes and please let us
know your stories of objects that appear to go missing
(47:21):
and reappear of their own volition. You think there's anything
to it. I think people are just forgetting what they've done.
How do you explain it? We want to know, and
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you search for. So, because it was because it was
the dynamic duo today, we had planned on see if
we can make a shorter episod own and and make
two episodes so we'd have more episodes for you and uh,
(48:05):
Paul mission control decond, being far nicer than he has
any right to be, said, well, you know, guys, in
the past, you've tried you would make something short, and
so I just had to send a message to Mission control.
You're right, Look man, you get us to talking and
if we haven't seen each other in like twenty four hours,
(48:28):
then uh sorry, this is going to happen sorry, Paul,
Mission control Decond, controller of all things on this show.
So uh we we we did our best, but we
we have really enjoyed these stories of haunted objects and
paranormal encounters. If you would like to hear more of
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them from your fellow listeners, please let us know that
as well. And of course, if you hate social media,
if you think that's the real ghost that will haunt
us for generations to come, viewpoint that I happen to
agree with, then no worries. You can always call us directly,
because Matt, we have a phone number. That's right. Call
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us one eight three three st d w y t K.
You'll hear Ben and then you can leave a three
minute message. That is the maximum. We ask that you
please don't call multiple times. That will just help us out.
Just that way we can hear everybody's messages. Tell us
what you would like for us to call you. Doesn't
have to be your real name, could be anything. It
(49:33):
can be Darth Decond. Hey, that'd be fun. Uh we'd
read that on air for sure. Paul would love it. Uh,
But yeah, tell us what you want us to call you.
Let us know if we can use your message on
air and your voice. That would be great and uh
right up front, like say exactly the thing that you
want us to read on air. And if you've got
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a personal message, you can put that on the tail
end of it. If you want to get a lady
Scientist mask, which is described on Etsy as a science
teacher face mask, you can find it. Look up. You
got it made by jaw j A Nick and I
c K. You can find it the exact one that
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Tabitha mentioned. You can get yours today. And my dog
as always appreciate, really just appreciates Etsy and all that
they do. I'm telling you, Matt, if you want that
little boost. I don't know if this made it on
R last time, but if you want that little boost
when you hear a dog barking and you're just general you,
instead of feeling like they're yelling at you, just tell
(50:36):
yourselves that they're laughing with you, that you just saw
something hilarious, and they're like, yes, get into stand up. Yeah,
maybe that's it. I think it's more of a hey, Matt, Matt, Matt,
what are you doing? I hear you're talking, Matt. This
dog is so confused right now. Dogs do not like
(50:59):
getting barked at what was that? Okay that was my
wife says that was accurate. Okay, we're gonna end this now.
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My name is Matt Noel is on an adventure and
that guy is doing something interesting. They called me Ben.
We're joined as always with our super producer Paul Mission
Control decons. Most importantly, you are you, you are here,
and that makes this the stuff they don't want you
to know. Matt, Yeah, you caught me. Sorry, you know
(00:46):
the song calls are we're we're recording remotely today and
one of the funniest things for any of our fellow
conspiracy realists who have been, you know, meeting on video platforms.
I strongly suspect that the majority of people on those
calls are kind of staring at their own thumbnail of
their face and like self adjusting. But but I want
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everyone to know, writer or die, Matt Frederick here is
that this guy pays attention and like, to be fair,
I was looking at myself and I caught you out
of the corner of my eye. But you know, okay, sure, well, okay,
I believe it. I believe it. But uh, but yeah,
this is uh, this is pretty uh wild day for us,
(01:31):
wild week really here in Atlanta, and with all the
stuff that's happening, of course, Uh, the our favorite, our
mutual favorite time of day is when we can get
together and record this show. And this is one of
our favorite segments because listener mail is where you can
speak directly to your fellow listeners. And we've got some
(01:54):
We've got some strange stuff here today, Matt, and I'm
really trying not to derail us with banter. I mean,
we're going to Turkey, We're learning some very strange stuff
about a university that will be familiar to a lot
of people. But also, you know, I was thinking of recently, Man,
for the first time in a while, do you remember
the Grinch he or I mean one that one Mr Grinch? Yeah,
(02:20):
that song is amazing. I was thinking about how well
written and beautiful and brutal and weirdly specific the insults are.
And I was like, man, if someone like if a stranger,
just because strangers talk to each other all the time.
In Atlanta, we usually are going to ask for money
or say some kind of wholesome compliment. But I was
(02:43):
just thinking, you know, I was walking um into the
office today and I was like, if a stranger came
up to me and was like, hey, you've got garlic
in your soul, it would like wreck me, right, Like,
what does that mean? I touch you? Right? If someone
(03:07):
just said that to you, I don't know, I mean
really weirdly specific insults and that that's like, that's someone
saying that to you is the kind of thing that
would make you finally go to therapy for sure. Man,
I want to talk to you, but you just got
garlic in your soul, right, right? And Zen, what's happened?
(03:34):
She left? And that was that And now I'm you know,
I'm just here trying to add more things to my
soul to you know, really even out thin that garlic out. Yeah,
you tell me some roseberry that goes well, Uh, this
is going to be the worst segue of this year. No,
(03:56):
let's see if we could do it. So So that's
what listen mail is. We're taking this different ingredients from
around the world and stories from around the world, and
we're we're putting um, Matt help me out here. When
we're incorporating it with the garlic and our soul and
it becomes something way more pleasant. Yeah, there it is,
(04:17):
And this is a vampire friendly show, so don't worry.
We'll keep the keep the garlic in your soul, not
in your ears, your bloodstream. But yeah, we have a
specific message written to any and all vampiric creatures that
it says, come on in like you don't need our permission,
come right on it. And in all the years that
we've been doing this version of this show, we have
(04:41):
never had anything but great results with that. I know
it's surprising you think there would be more bites, I mean,
just on principle, but honestly, it's really more about philosophical
discussion with with a lot of vampires I've noticed. Yeah, yeah,
it feels like they have a lot time to think,
you know what I mean, maybe more than we do.
(05:05):
Are they always plugged into the zeitgeist fashion sense. Maybe
a little anachronistic, but they're good people, I know, especially
especially vampires from New Zealand. I find them to have
the best sense of humor. Yes, agreed, agreed, and the
critics agree as well. Uh so that's what that's what
(05:25):
we're doing in a vampire friendly way, we're combining these
weird ingredients that you that you have offered not not
just us, but more importantly to your fellow listeners. And
Matt at this point, I'm wondering, well, we have one
story that's more an historical mystery, and then we have
one story that has clear and present consequences in the
(05:46):
modern world. Maybe we start with the historical aspect and
then go to the modern mystery. What do you think?
I like it? Linear Time, Let's do it. Linear Time.
I've I've heard of it. I think it's overrated, but
it's per pick for this show. And uh oh man,
you know, I wonder if we're going to get emails
about that weird beginning again. It's just been a weird week.
(06:09):
Listen off, Mike, everybody. Ben showed up today and said, Matt,
I've got the banter and I said, oh, I'm excited
for it. Let's do it, and he just he did
not let anyone down. It's too It's been on my mind.
I don't know why. I'm just I like, I was
reading and parsing the lyrics. I learned about the people
who wrote the lyrics. It's a whole thing. But also
(06:30):
you're too kind, Matt, because I did say if you
were called useless banter, I wasn't going to put that
on front. I think it was great. Well you that's
there's a reason why we're close friends, and it is
that you enabled me in both my rippling ether addiction
and useless banner. We're keeping the ether thing. We're keeping
(06:51):
the ether call back. So uh, here is our first
correspondence from today. It is from Paul, not all mission control.
Another Paul. And here's what you said, Paul. He said, Hi,
my name is Paul redacted. That's just us redacting it. Uh.
And yes, you can use my name on your podcast,
(07:12):
should you choose to do so. Now onto it. I
like your spirit, Paul. I am a fan of alternative
histories that are ignored because they defy paradigms, even though
solid evidence exists. I have several, but I will start
with one so I don't waste both of our times.
If this type of thing does not fall into your parameters,
(07:34):
go Beckley Tepish is an archaeological site in modern day Turkey.
It pushes Man's civilizations back thousands of years earlier than
currently believed. It is a megalithic site. That has only
been excavated about five percent. It appears that this vast
complex was intentionally filled in and buried after it was
done being used, and is enigmatic to the extreme. I
(07:58):
hope you at least looking to it. I love your podcast, though,
I am a new listener and new to podcast in general.
And we'll stop there. Uh, Paul, you ended it with
stay curious, and that is a great way to end
the letter. Now this, Matt, I think this speaks to
both of us. Huh, it's really talking our language there,
Paul Um. I would say I learned the vast majority
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of my understanding about what I heard. I don't know
why when it was said, go blecky tepe. I don't
know why. That's what I heard. When I listened to
Danikin pronounce it on ancient Aliens. I think that was
the first time I ever heard it. But it's you're right,
it's go Beckley, go Beckley tep Ish. Yeah. I am
(08:43):
also not a native speaker of Turkish, got it. I've
heard it pronounced tep Ish almost like with that soft
at the edge. Uh. That maybe just the accents or
the regional dialects of the people. I was listening to
like I said, for me, it was all Dannakins, So
it was in his interesting accent there, and I think
he you know the way however he said it etched
(09:08):
itself into my mind and now I can only hear
him say it. But yeah, that this place is fascinating,
and it does seem it does seem to have some
unbelievable stuff going on when it comes to fitting it
within you know, the historical timeline of of when it
was created, what it was used for, who created and
(09:29):
everything like that. Um, but let's let's jump into it, Ben,
what have you found? So we thought a good way
to uh introduce this before we do a deeper dive,
possibly a full episode, is to talk a little bit
about what we know about the history of this site,
where it's located, and why it remains so mysterious, enigmatic,
(09:56):
and inde tantalizing to people in the modern day. Um
armchair experts, professional archaeologist, fringe writers like Eric von Danikin
and the and the like. So this is incredibly weird.
There are people listening to the show today who were
(10:17):
alive before the modern discovery of go Back Lady tapes.
So it was just noted in this survey way back
in nine but it wasn't until October that an archaeologist
named Klaus Schmidt started digging into not an intentional pun
(10:40):
not an intentional pun. Uh. He started re examining this
site because he was looking at a nearby site, and
that's when they discovered something that fundamentally altered our understanding
of human civilization. This thing is old. The oldest layer
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dates back to about nine thousand b c. E uh.
It is not just a nomalous for its age. So
human beings of this time are supposed to be doing
certain things due to a current understanding, they're not really
building settlements like this. This site, which is in the
(11:23):
foothills of Turkeys Taurus Mountains, is um. It's right at
the headwaters of a tributary of the Euphrates, and so
right there very close to Syria, the border of Syria
to the south. Yes, yeah, exactly. And it's an artificial
(11:44):
mound which is also known as a tell, which is
on a flat plateau built of limestone. It does appear
to be a religious site. It contains multiple like multiple
indications of the construction of agelas. It also predates Stonehenge
by something like six thousand years. This is not supposed
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to be here at this point in time. We've done
previous episodes on things that have been considered like anachronistic
historical objects, right, like discoveries of possible batteries in ancient
dig sites, things like that. But this thing is that
this is the kind of evidence you cannot ignore. There
(12:28):
is a huge amount, literally tons of evidence that human
beings were building these kinds of structures far before they
were thought to be capable of doing so. And we
we can talk a little bit about that, like this
the pillars. The pillars, even though they predate Stonehenge by
(12:49):
quite a bit, they still got some Stonehenge vibes because
they're they're like the Wagh between seven and ten tons, Yeah,
they do. These are huge stones, sixty ft hoigh there um,
and the etchings that are on them are really remarkable.
If I think some of the biggest questions that come
from this area, from this specific place at that time,
(13:13):
how how were those etchings created? How are these stones cut?
Because you're talking about you know, stone tools, probably probably
flint tools. One of the main reasons is that the
stone that's being worked with here is limestone, and it
is a little easier comparatively to some other stones and
rocks that you know, have been chill little away at
(13:36):
as we enter in the Iron Age, and you know,
some of the get closer down our linear timeline here,
but it does seem like it would have been possible
for whoever was there to create these, specifically the pillars
pretty close by, get them up a hill, you know,
with a lot of effort, and then stand them upright
(13:57):
and in some cases actually chip away the limestone own
deposits themselves that are already existing there in the site.
So actually like carve out a thing rather than carve
something and take it there exactly yet and that's the
other that's another piece. So according to the official narrative
pre you know, nineties or so, uh human beings, we're
(14:22):
in the stage of domestication and agriculture when they started
building stuff like this. But from everything they've gathered on
this site, it's clear that whomever built this, they were
hunter gatherer groups, meaning that they had not yet domesticated animals,
nor had they gone into farming. They were still foraging
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in the wild and hunting. It's also interesting that it
does not appear people lived there. There aren't living quarters.
This was a site where people went for specific purposes,
and it appears to be a site where things have
been torn down, own and rebuilt on that site multiple times.
It's not a super convenient site if you're the average
hunter gatherer. Uh, the closest water sources like five clicks away,
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so that measure five kilometers. So so technically, like you know, logically,
we could assume that people that someone in the group
would have said, do you guys want to build like closer,
like where we can drink water, And then someone was like, no, idiot,
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our forefathers built these gigantic stone megaliths. We're gonna knock
them down, we're gonna rebuild them, and we're not We're
not going to spend too much time here. Well, you know,
they just have to say. I think the question of
the purpose of the site is one of the most
fascinating because it, like you said, being far from the water.
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It does almost feel like it was a site for
pilgrimage of some sort, or a site that was treated
as very special in some way that people would go
out to at some time of year or for some
you know, specific purpose and then would leave. Um and Ben,
did you already talk about how it's been covered up?
Like the mound itself seems to have been created because
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there were sculptures dug, there were pillars set up, there
were structures created, and then the whole thing was filled up,
and then stuff was built on it or near it,
and then it was filled up again and it would
just continued in that fashion. That's a very important point
because we know that we we mentioned that it had
been parts have been torn down rebuilt, but we didn't
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mention that they had been built atop one another, hadn't
been cleaned out, just destroyed and built over. You're right,
And we also to add to the mystery here, and
I'm sure this will speak to a lot of our
fellow fiction writers in the crowd. To add to the
mystery here. The car irvings that are still extant on
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the pillars are not things like deer or cattle or
birds that you would eat. They're the stuff that you
would have been scared of or at least alarmed by
if you were a hunter gatherer. Lions, spiders, snakes, scorpions,
which lad which led some scholars to say it's a scary,
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fantastic world of nasty looking beast. So why did these
people build what seems to be uh an intentionally frightening
place right based on those sculptures, and and why did
they expressly travel to it? I had out how what? Okay? Yeah,
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what's the scoot? I figured it out. Yeah, this is
a training ground for hunters. This is like West Point
for hunters of this time, where they'd have to travel
out there. They would get educated by you know, some
hunters who've been around on the block a couple of times,
and you know, you would get taught about specific spiders
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that lived in the region, or snakes or you know,
predators that would be hunting you while you're hunting for
the group. I'm telling you that's what it has been
training around for elite hunters. Well, I you know what,
I am tempted to agree, and no else is tempted
to agree with you. Klaus Schmidt in a way, in
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a way, in a way, you're a little more positive
than he is about it. We will do a full
episode on this What do you think do you think
we can do a full episode on this one? Oh? Yeah, yeah,
for sure. We can go over so many there's so
much detail to go over in this. Yeah, So we're
going to come back to this story in the future,
but for now, maybe we'll end on how Schmidt in
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a way seems to agree with Matt or you're both
thinking in the same directions at the time of recording
right now, in one like eleven thousand plus years after
this stuff was originally built, we still don't know exactly
what it was for, which means your guests is as
good as ours, and Paul is right that this has
not been fully excavated. Schmidt himself has a theory. You see,
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his team has found fragments of human bone in the
structure over the years of excavations, and because the floors
of the rings have been shown to be made of
hardened limestone in deep test pits, he's betting that if
they keep digging, they'll find that go Beckley Tepis was
(19:35):
a final resting place for a society of hunters, so
this was a burial ground. Here's what he specifically says.
I'm quoting from Smithsonian here. He says perhaps the site
was a burial ground or the center of a death cult.
The dead laid out on the hillside amongst these stylized
gods and spirits of the afterlife. And if that's true,
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Schmidt says, that also explains the weird location because now
the dead are they have a wonderful view basically looking
out over the hunting grounds. We're gonna we're gonna leave
it there. We're gonna come back in the future. With
more from Schmidt. We'd like to hear your guesses about
go Beckley tepesh Uh bonus points if they're super out there.
(20:21):
And with that, we're going to take a quick break
here here from our sponsor and we'll be right back.
And we're back, and now, due to our apparently new
found fandom of linear time, we're going to travel closer
to the modern day. Yes, that's right, almost to modern day.
(20:44):
We're going to jump to an email from someone calling
themselves Darth Brigham. Darth says, well, guys, your listener male
from five four teen talked about how insecure and susceptible
to abuse criminal records are, and there's a great exam
ample of that where I live, Provo, Utah. Provo is
home to Brigham Young University or b y U, a
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private religious institution run by the Mormon church. Nearly all
of its thirty five thousand students are members of that church,
and they receive a heavily subsidized education, and some reports
put the cost at three to four times what they pay. Yeah,
just for a snapshot reference here. Uh the for the
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year twenty one, undergraduate tuition and fees were five thousand,
nine hundred and seventy dollars, which is per semester. Uh No,
looks like the total the whole year. Wow, talking about subsidized.
We I think what we're saying is we see where
you're coming from, Darth. Yeah, that's that's pretty good. Okay,
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that's like did we mess up? Did we mess up?
When we went to college? I had hope scholarship and okay, wow,
all right, m nice. Now we know. Well, let's go
on with what Darth is saying here. Perhaps because of
how much it pays, the Mormon Church has a strict
code of conduct for its students. No drugs, drinking, smoking, coffee, sex,
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things close to sex, things a little bit farther from sex,
homosexual actions of any kind, revealing clothes, porn, and other things.
You cannot even go to the house of a member
of the opposite sex after midnight and men must be
clean shaven. Now, this code of conduct is what we're
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really going to be talking about today, So just put
a pin in all of that. What Darth is saying
here is very accurate. Let's continue. Penalties for violating this
code range from probation and writing essays to expulsion. The
office that monitors this is the Honor Code Office. The
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event I'm going to tell you about has caused him
good changes before it. Anyone could report you anonymously to
the Honor Code Office, than the h c O would
not always tell you why you were called in, And
sexual assaults sometimes resulted in the victim being punished for
violating some of the lesser rules. So the victim would
be punished for violating lesser rules. Thankfully, Darth doesn't think
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they were ever blamed for being assaulted, but they were
blamed for consensual things that led up to it. So
like maybe you were drinking at a house party, yeah,
or you were even at a house of the opposite
sex at us, you know, past a certain time, right, um,
who knows. We don't have the specific details there and
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those that is what Darth is writing to us. Sing
Darth says nowadays, there are no more anonymous reports. Victims
of assault get immunity, and the Honor Code Office tells
you why you are there to speak with them. I
guess when they call you in. So there's more to this.
I'm gonna keep going because it's worth us hearing. I
guess first before we have a discussion. So here we go.
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In Utah, universities have their own police force. This is
very important to keep this in mind. With all the
powers of a typical police officer, Brigham Young University has
its own police force, and in someone at a neighboring
police force noticed the b y U Police accessing the
police report database much more often than their counterparts in
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other agencies. There were at least six thousand records accessed
between and seen. These records were for police reports in
the cities and counties surrounding Brigham Young University. So just
to recap there, someone at the b y U Police
is accessing this wider database a lot. The b y
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U Police had been scanning reports, looking for students names
and in many cases sharing the information with the Honor
Code Office. These were not convictions for crimes. These were
just situations where part of the code of Conduct had
been violated. In one case, a rape victim had the
results of her medical examination gleaned from the police report
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and given to the Honor Code Office. She was subsequently
forbidden from enrolling in future classes until she submitted to
an investigation, despite the objections of the county prosecutor, who
who asked b y U to at least wait until
the trial was over. It's chilling to think how many
other times the Honor Code Office received information it used
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to punish students. Like I said, thankfully things have changed.
A new Title nine office supports victims, the police no
longer share information with the Honor Code Office, and the
Honor Code Office has a new director. But this does
show the damage they can come from unfettered access to
police information. And then Darth left us a link for
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a twenty nineteen story for further reading on our part,
and I guess that's what we can talk about next.
But Ben, what are your thoughts after all of that. Well, it's, uh,
it's it's indicative, unfortunately, of a larger problem with reporting
of crime to campus police forces. You know, they're they're
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unfortunately no shortage of examples of times where victims of
an assault have been stone walled or shut down at
various institutions, and some quite prestigious. We also know that
when there's not oversight for this kind of stuff, that's
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the question. Like for a long time, it wasn't technically
illegal right for the b y U Campus police to
do this, but it is incredibly dangerous because there's not
a way of knowing the true motivations for that search.
There aren't requirements, like the qualification requirements for being able
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to search this system are just are you b y
U Police? It's not are you b y U Police
looking up a conviction or you know, following up on
a um on a case in a way that helps
the victim, you know what I mean? Yeah, sure, exactly,
you're not. You're not investigating on behalf of someone in
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that way, or at least you are, but it's on
behalf of I guess the Honor Code office, right, And
you know, often we have like we have to remember
for this is not hyperbolic, I believe, but we we
have to remember that for many people in these situations,
this is the worst moment or experience of their life
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up to that point. You know, and the authorities or
the structure that has put in place to ensure their safety. Um,
it feels like an absolute subversion for that same power
structure to appear to be persecuting you, you know what
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I mean. And because of because of that, because of
the trauma that many survivors of assaults especially experience, there's
already often going to be some internal pressure, some familial
pressure not to pursue justice, as sad as that is
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to say, as heartbreaking as it is to say, and
then coupled with secular pressure, coupled with religious pressure, coupled
with campus pressure, it stacks the odds against these victims.
I I think you and I are on the same
page with Darth and a lot of our listeners. This
is a horrific thing. So really we're just talking. It
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feels like overstepped and and it is overstepped because there
was a whole investigation into this one police officers use
of these records. It was one lieutenant right who was
accessing records for a long time over the course of
those years. His name is Aaron Rhodes, and there was
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a criminal investigation that was looking into him, and at
least when this report was written by the Salt Lake Tribune.
In t there was discussion about removing the police force
from b y U entirely because of the essentially abuse
of power here or misuse of these records. It says
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that he was looking at reports for from the Oram Police,
the Utah County Sheriff's Office, and the Provo Police, so
like like we said, or like Darth said, all the
surrounding areas basically all of those law enforcement offices. He
took information from the report and shared them with the
Dean of Students office, the Title nine office, and the
honor code office. So he's literally taking that information and
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just funneling it through the entire university system. And because
that honor code exists, because there are direct consequences related
to that honor code. Not only would somebody who's you know,
maybe did do something wrong and had a police report
written about them or at least violated some you know
statute in one of these places, Um, they are now
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not only going to get punished by that law enforcement agency,
they're going to get punished by their school, which does
feel very weird. Yes, yeah, hard degree there. The issue
is that while those solutions may seem apparent to people
on the outside. Uh, they don't they. I guess they're
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not as apparent for the people who are participating in
these power structures, you know. And the most like the
most extreme Hollywood version of this is also unfortunately a
true story at times. And this extreme version is a
narrative something like this, A student, you know, whatever, whatever
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gender they are identify as, is uh, sexually assaulted by
a another student who is a legacy student, right, or
perhaps a very prominent instructor or professor of some sort
um or you know, a very promising athlete or something.
And then let's take like the most Hollywood version of
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the villain in this case would be the very wealthy
legacy student. And by legacy student we mean someone who
primarily got into an academic institution because of their parents
financial contributions and because their parents had gone there in
the past, you know what I mean. It's like the kid,
the kid who has the same last name as the
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library or whatever. Yeah, is someone where it would where
just the fact that this person had got into trouble
could be a public relations issue for the school itself, right,
I think I think that's where we're going exactly. So
then a class argument would enter in there, and they
would say, hey, we need to resolve this quietly for
the good name of the school. And also part of
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the motivation that's implied there is we would really like
the far fig Nugan family or whomever von far fig Nugan,
Let's make them fancier. They would like the von Farfignugen
family to continue donating to our OBOE program or whatever.
And this the reason I'm picking these kind of ridiculous
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and specific examples is because I do think it is
specifically ridiculous, indeed in human to put somebody's physical and
mental well being beneath something, as in the long run,
inconsequential as a building or a donation, especially in these
very renowned institutions whose endowments are mind boggling. They're not
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hurting for money, they want the prestige. But I don't
think you should sacrifice human beings to do it. I
want a pivot here, just quickly to hear a quote
from this article from S. Daniel Carter, who's the president
of Safety Advisors for Educational Campuses LLC. Again, it's from
that Salt Lake Tribune article from UM. S. Daniel Carter
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says it is common for institutions to use their campus
police to also serve as security and enforce institutional policies,
but use of police access to effectively spy on students
to enforce non criminal codes of conduct in this manner
is unconscionable. In doing so, here, a private entity would
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be using the power of the state to affect their
own religious rules, something with potentially significant ramifications. That's definitely
the way I'm feeling about it personally when I think
about this, especially in that one assault case where the
lieutenant that we mentioned earlier immediately went and looked up
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looked up in like full details on a rape case
and sent it to the Honor Code office. And it
was about the victim, like very intimate details about it.
That's really wrong. Um, well, hey, this is something we
can definitely look more into. If you've ever been to
Brigham Young University, if you've been on the police force there,
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a student there, faculty, maybe you've been on that board.
You probably wouldn't write to us if you've been on
the Code of Conduct board, but you know, we'd love
to hear your experience what this is like. If you're
a member of the more In Church, we'd love to
hear what you think about that code of conduct. Is
it a great thing, a terrible thing? Is it just standard?
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We'd love to hear from you. So please contact us
in between the moment where we leave right now and
get back you ready, We'll be right back with some
more listener mail, and we've returned. As as I've noted
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off air, it is in a way always Halloween in
America means that it is never it is never too
soon to celebrate, and because we all wear masks man
all the time. Before the pandemic, I wrote a poem
about this. I feel so embarrassed saying this. I'm I'm
(35:35):
not ready to share it, but maybe one day. I'm
talking metaphysical man like who are you right now? Even
you know? Mask off? Yeah? Yes, well terrible poetry aside. Uh,
And you can always message me if you want to
subject yourself to reading some of it. Uh. One thing
that I think Matt, you and I have both really
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been enjoying were the various stories we've been receiving from
our fellow listeners about haunted objects. And so what we
thought we would do today is share and share a
story that really captured us that we both super enjoyed,
and we thought you would like to hear it too,
(36:19):
so we're going to We're gonna read this as a
letter pretty much in full, and Matt and I are
gonna trade off at certain times. So here we go.
This is from Tabitha h. Tabitha says, Hi, guys, gals
and any non binary pals who may be interested. Uh sorry, guys,
(36:41):
gals and non binary pals. Love the rhyming scheme already
it rhymes Yes, this is a very talented writer. We
should be honest about that from the get go. Tabitha,
you say so. I heard you give another call for
writing in about haunted objects while catching up on my
pod list today, and I decided I might as well
tell you about my experience not necessarily haunted question mark.
(37:05):
I'm not sure what to classify it as, but it's
definitely something I have yet to find an explanation for.
So interesting. Nonetheless, as the pandemic was really starting to
ramp up last year, I bought a few different handmade
cotton masks just to have a few on hand. One
of them was a print of lady scientists doing science
(37:26):
e things. And I love science, and especially science of ladies.
So it was my favorite one. One day I went
to look for it and it wasn't there. I had
a dedicated basket by the door for a few different
masks I like variety, so I knew where it ought
to be. But it wasn't. It hadn't fallen to the floor,
checked by purse, empted it completely, nothing. Maybe I left
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it in a jeans pocket, nope, dropped it in the
car nowhere. I looked for two weeks, as did my partner,
before giving up, deciding it must just have gone. It
had fallen out into a parking space or something. Who knew.
I ordered a new one because I loved the print,
so I still wanted it. It came, I worried. Everything
(38:11):
proceeded as normal, though I was still kind of bummed.
I have to admit. About a month or so after
getting the new one, I was visiting my mom to
drop something off for her. So I took my new
Lady Scientists mask and put it in my purse to
wear for that. Dropped off the thing, headed back toward home,
decided to get a coffee, put the Lady Scientists mask
(38:31):
back on, went in to get my coffee and came
back out. I went to take off my mask and
put it in my purse, like I literally always do,
which is why I didn't know how I could have
lost the first one, except it's already in my purse,
right on top of everything, not hidden in the depths
(38:52):
or whatever, but extremely visible. I'm like, wait, did I
wear a different mask to go in and get coffee?
So I look at the and in my hand, it's
the same mask. There are two, one just removes my
new one, and one sitting on top of everything in
my purse the old one. They did have a slightly
different fit, so I could distinguish them, but it doesn't
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really matter, just the fact that there were suddenly two.
The first one literally appeared out of absolutely nowhere. I had,
in fact worn the second one in to get coffee
and to my mom's I had gotten in and out
of my purse several times over the course of the
trip to get my keys, my phone, mask in out, etcetera.
I had carried my purse in to get coffee with me.
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I put my phone in my purse before I got
out of the car, so I certainly would have seen
the first mask sitting in the way had it been
there when I did that. Obviously it was not, and
then it was. I'm a huge skeptic. Even if you
guys sounded like you might be getting into a theory,
I scoff and I explained it away, especially when it
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comes to haunted objects or in sence exactly like this.
I'm of the mind that there is always a rational
explanation if you look at something hard enough, but I
have yet to find one for this several months later.
Even my partner, a bigger skeptic than me, can't find one.
I have no idea what happened, and it doesn't particularly
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seem haunted. There was nothing nefarious about it, and I
was pleased to have my mask back then. Yes, I
did watch it immediately, so I don't know if I
caught the eye of a benevolent deity or if the
fathe somehow trapped me with it or what. But I
honestly have zero rational explanation for this even now. Anyway,
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after hearing about this blue ball thing, it seemed like
it was time to share. I hope you guys enjoyed.
I doubt this is interesting enough to talk about on air,
but if you do, please just use my first name. Thanks.
Love the show. Tabitha. So first I've think of indulge ourselves.
It's dramatic eatings, Matt. I think we both have a
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lot of fun with that. I think it's more interesting
we have it back and forth and just listening to
one person, you know what I mean. Yeah, But the
thing that I thought was, um that the only thing
I disagree with you about, Tabitha, and I think, Matt,
you might back me up here, is that this is
interesting enough to read on air because I don't know
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about you all, but I've always, I have often had
those situations where things seem to disappear and reappear, and ah,
you know, frequently I can explain that by saying like
I'm an absent minded professor type or whatever. You know,
I lose things that aren't tied to me. But there
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are things that I you know, I can't. I can't
explain how something has disappeared or resurface. And in a way,
it's it's similar to that story about the allegedly haunted
blue ball. And I wanted to ask you, Matt, have
you ever had a situation like that in your life
where you you've you've had a thing and your thing
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always goes you know, everything in its right place kind
of style. Your thing always goes in that spot. Uh,
Like a lot of people do that with wallets, keys, phones,
only to find that object disappear and then to maybe
have it resurface. I I don't know, how would you
explain it. Maybe it's a little different for you because
you have a kid, right, who might you know, take
(42:27):
something and play with it and then put it back
later something like that. Put it back later? Yeah, right,
sneak in here while I'm recording. Sometimes you can't see
everything that's going on in the shelf. And for a
while I had some some dice down there, and I
had some other magic cards. There's most of them up there.
But he would sneak in here sometimes I'm not even noticing.
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He'll take something, but he won't put it back. No, no, no,
he stores it away like some dragon in his horde
that he's got and I won't find it for months.
But but no, that's not what we're talking about. I
have a series I have had a series of gas
station sunglasses. I don't know if anybody has ever purchased
sunglasses at a random gas station, but this guy does
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it all the time. Because I will have one that
I love. I'm like, man, I love the style of
these gas station sunglasses, and I'll wear them all the
time every time I drive, when I'm at the house,
if I'm on the lawn, I'm the cool gas station
shades guy. Those are still the ones I'm rocking because
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they've stuck around for the longest time. All the other
ones leave for a while, and I would say, forty
of them come back somehow, and I'll just rediscover them. Um. Also,
my son could be a fault here because he loves sunglasses.
Sometimes I catch him wearing mine. Solved at least this
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example of this mystery. You know, I think one thing
this leads us to, like one of the big psychological
aspects is we're all unreliable narrators of our own lives
and our own past, you know, so, uh, the human
mind is fallible. But I was talking to people, um
about stories like this before we were recording today, and
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I was startled to find that almost everybody had maybe
not a story where they thought was a haunted object
or some kind of weird teleportation or something like that.
They seemed more inclined to even the most skeptical just
say Huh, my keys were there, they weren't They're back.
(44:38):
Do my keys have a secret life? You know? I
like vacation. Did my keys take vacation? Right? It's definitely
And a lot of our skeptics in the crowd would say, yeah,
people are just people are just maybe not giving their
ability to be absent minded as much credit as it deserves.
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But with that in mind, I would love to hear
other people's stories of objects that have inexplicably disappeared and reappeared.
Especially this is something it doesn't happen all the time,
but there have been people that I've heard from who
are correlating this with some important event in their life,
you know, like a relative dies. Then they hear about
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this the day they find this significant object that they
had treasured. Things like that, um and how much of
that is the human mind creating patterns where they do
not necessarily exist or is there something more to the story.
Last note, apologies to everybody. It's go Beckley Tepa. Nope,
it's go back Gilbert Godfa. That's how it's pronounced. He
(45:52):
is named after that site. Uh, and we will confirm
it with him. I I I can't get Dannekin Von
Dannekin out of my head. You'll just have to watch
a clip online if you don't know what I'm talking about.
Fontanakin and always says h quickly, tippy. And there's an
(46:13):
interesting study about how people in the Anglo sphere tend
to assume someone is more authoritative if they have specific,
not all, but specific types of European accents and British accents.
Especially so if you're ever watching one of those shows
and you're wondering, why did they pick somebody with this
accent to do this, then just pay extra special attention
(46:37):
to what they're actually saying. Don't let me fool you.
Don't let Daniel Radcliffe get one over on you just
because he's got that awesome accent. Yeah, or Michael Caine,
I mean that guy would kill it solid uh yeah,
man Idris Idris Elba. That's another one, And what better
way to end the show. Please let us know what
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you think about go back they tap up ak pronounced
Gilbert Godfried. Please let us know. Please let us know
if you have had experiences with the problems we're talking
about about campus prosecutions and sometimes how those forces may
be used to cover up crimes and please let us
know your stories of objects that appear to go missing
(47:21):
and reappear of their own volition. You think there's anything
to it. I think people are just forgetting what they've done.
How do you explain it? We want to know, and
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(47:42):
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the dynamic duo today, we had planned on see if
we can make a shorter episod own and and make
two episodes so we'd have more episodes for you and uh,
(48:05):
Paul mission control decond, being far nicer than he has
any right to be, said, well, you know, guys, in
the past, you've tried you would make something short, and
so I just had to send a message to Mission control.
You're right, Look man, you get us to talking and
if we haven't seen each other in like twenty four hours,
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then uh sorry, this is going to happen sorry, Paul,
Mission control Decond, controller of all things on this show.
So uh we we we did our best, but we
we have really enjoyed these stories of haunted objects and
paranormal encounters. If you would like to hear more of
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them from your fellow listeners, please let us know that
as well. And of course, if you hate social media,
if you think that's the real ghost that will haunt
us for generations to come, viewpoint that I happen to
agree with, then no worries. You can always call us directly,
because Matt, we have a phone number. That's right. Call
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us one eight three three st d w y t K.
You'll hear Ben and then you can leave a three
minute message. That is the maximum. We ask that you
please don't call multiple times. That will just help us out.
Just that way we can hear everybody's messages. Tell us
what you would like for us to call you. Doesn't
have to be your real name, could be anything. It
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can be Darth Decond. Hey, that'd be fun. Uh we'd
read that on air for sure. Paul would love it. Uh,
But yeah, tell us what you want us to call you.
Let us know if we can use your message on
air and your voice. That would be great and uh
right up front, like say exactly the thing that you
want us to read on air. And if you've got
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a personal message, you can put that on the tail
end of it. If you want to get a lady
Scientist mask, which is described on Etsy as a science
teacher face mask, you can find it. Look up. You
got it made by jaw j A Nick and I
c K. You can find it the exact one that
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Tabitha mentioned. You can get yours today. And my dog
as always appreciate, really just appreciates Etsy and all that
they do. I'm telling you, Matt, if you want that
little boost. I don't know if this made it on
R last time, but if you want that little boost
when you hear a dog barking and you're just general you,
instead of feeling like they're yelling at you, just tell
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yourselves that they're laughing with you, that you just saw
something hilarious, and they're like, yes, get into stand up. Yeah,
maybe that's it. I think it's more of a hey, Matt, Matt, Matt,
what are you doing? I hear you're talking, Matt. This
dog is so confused right now. Dogs do not like
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getting barked at what was that? Okay that was my
wife says that was accurate. Okay, we're gonna end this now.
Good God, Sorry everybody. UM, that's our phone number. If
you've got a message that you feel is too long
to fit into three minutes, we highly recommend that you
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off that email. Not quite as satisfying as you know,
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