What will humanity be like in 1,000 years?

If you met a person from the year 1019, they would be, in many ways, much like you. But what if you met a person from 3019? How different will human beings be one thousand years from today? Will humanity as we understand still be around? Join the guys with special guests John Goforth and Brent Hand, hosts of Hysteria 51, as they explore the strange twists and turns the future may hold for our species... assuming, of course, that we survive.

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Speaker 1 (00:00):
From UFOs to psychic powers and government conspiracies. History is
riddled with unexplained events. You can turn back now or
learn the stuff they don't want you to know. M Hello,

(00:24):
welcome back to the show. My name is Matt Our
compatriot Noel is on adventures but will return soon. They
called me Ben. We are joined as always with our
super producer Paul Mission Controlled decond. Most importantly, you are you.
You are here, and that makes this stuff they don't
want you to know. However, you are not alone, fellow

(00:45):
conspiracy realists. We are exploring the idea of humanity in
one thousand years with a ton of asterix and a
dollop of optimism. And we are not diving into this
exploration on our lonesome, No, quite the opposite. We are
joined by some friends of the show, some personal friends

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of ours, the host of our peer podcast Hysteria fifty one.
Check it out if you haven't yet, Everyone, please welcome
John go Forth and Rent Hand. Gentlemen. Thank you very much.
I guys, I told you I shouldn't bring Brent, but
you still allowed it. I don't know, um, I begged
and begged, and you know, just the worst decision was

(01:29):
allowing conspiracy about here. We will try to keep him quiet.
That's that's true, that's true. Uh conspiracy bot also, thank
you for coming. Did you notice that Scully seems to
really be getting along with conspiracy bought? Yeah, it's weird.
I know this is an audio podcast. Maybe if they
do something that's remotely work appropriate, we'll take a picture

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and host it. But right now, right now, we're just
it was just getting him t s A. So we
need to enjoy himself because the last time we're traveling
with him so was like circuits burning. And uh So, guys,
like most people, we spend a great deal of our
time here in the present. Is we record this everyone
I know spends their time. Yeah, we spent a lot

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of this time thinking about what might or might not
happen in the future. And most of the time when
we're using these great predictive computers that we refer to
as our brains, we're using this um, this imaginative capacity
to think of what we could call small events, not
in a diminutive way, just like things that don't really

(02:34):
rock the freaking timeline. You know what, it's on your calendar, right,
stuff that's on account where where am I gonna go
for lunch? Um? What are my list of errands? You know,
how can I get out of that conference? Call those
kind of things? When will our sons supernova? I've got
that on my calendar. Yeah, yeah, exactly exactly because we

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we have money on that, right, So we all to
have a tendency and we could even call it a
compulsion to wonder about those large events. Let's define it
very loosely arbitrarily as, uh, any event that involves a
group of people large enough such that members of the

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same group may not know each other and may never meet.
So this is interesting because for both Hysterian fifty one
and stuff they want, you know, really for any podcast, uh,
that's that's a large scale event because a lot of
us listening now are probably not going to meet each other.
WHOA I never thought about it like that, But the
universe is a gold, lonely place. So so you know,

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we've got examples of these, like what's a what's a
large event? Oh, sure, like a huge election. Let's say
a primary election or a presidential election. The people who
are actually voting probably aren't going to meet each other.
You're definitely not going to meet everybody who's voting in
that election. Yes, the like from impact from not being
there even to the people who were there. I mean,

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there were so many people impacted that weren't just in
those buildings and surrounding communities and such and family members.
Not all of them all met. And that's a that's
an excellent example because that's a single event rather than
something like a war that goes on for years. Well,
and it's a so that's a large event. And it's
also it's also a long term event. Right, we're still

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reeling and and and the effects are felt. Yeah. Yeah.
And that's because in addition to defining something as a
small or large event, we can also imagine them the
way you said, Matt, short or long term. So this
so nine eleven clearly a long term event, um, but
a short term, large scale event would be a celebration

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in your city, like, uh, the Bulls win in Chicago,
because you guys, you guys live in the Windy City,
and uh, when the Bulls win in Chicago, what do
people go nuts? Excuse me? We call it the lower fourth.
Well we haven't seen that for so long. I'm not
sure how the but when the Hawks won the cup. Yes,
when the cups one seven million people I think showed up,

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one of the largest human gatherings in history. Yeah, so
a long term, small scale event then would be something
we're like, all right, I got this kid now, I
gotta send him to college. At some point, I better
start putting away the scratch, right, And this can take longer,
but it's not really it might not alter a timeline.

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Today's episode is about a long term, large scale event.
One of the biggest questions we ever deal with, what's
going to happen to us? You know, the collective us? Yeah,
the collective us? What are we? Where are we going?
Not not what's going to happen today or tomorrow, but
a thousand years from now, and off air, this is

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this is an idea that we were talking about that
we had originally. I don't know if we mentioned this
on Hysteria fifty one. We had originally when we were
talking with each other, we're like, all right, yeah, one
of us will do an episode on humanity in a
thousand years, and then the other way and then we'll
do a companion episode about humanity and ten thousand years.
And we started looking at the research and we were

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you know, Paul, you're gonna have to bleep me on this,
but we were like, holy ten thousand years. Yeah, I
mean you could just say whatever you want. You know,
we're all jellyfish, I know. And even with um So
we just did an excellent episode. Well I really enjoyed it.
I thought you guys did was good. Yeah, and YouTube

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conspiracy and we didn't have episode on the future of
humanity in one hundred years. And what you guys showed
us was that there there's quite a lot of stuff
down the pike that not only is possible, but is
in a very real sense inevitable. And that's the big
I think that's the big defining difference of you know,

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when we look at these things as what are we
controlling and what is just gonna happen? That's that's, you know,
this inevitability that is just we're creaming toward these events
a lot of times, I think, especially with technology, it
really is the pebble that starts the avalanche. And but
once it started, you're not stopping it. Like the progression

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of our processing power isn't going to even though we're
not following Moore's law, still it is not going to
stop it's a train with no breaks, right, Yeah, this
is this is the part of the show where we
want to want to let you know that if you
haven't checked out Hysteria fifty one, please do it. In
this episode, we're going to be exploring some things that

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dovetail with the previous episode. So if you want to
get the full cinema for your ears experience, stop now,
will wait check out our earlier episode. And uh, for
you comic book fans, we're referring to this as a
crossover events, a shared universe. I'm Batman, all right, I

(08:00):
respect that. I respect Um, how far are we crossing over?
Can I go Marvel? Yeah? Yeah, just stay away from
image and we'll be fine. Yeah, they're creator owns. Uh,
it's true. So uh all right, let's get to it. Sure,
So let's talk about where we humans. Everybody in this room,

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everyone listening is going to end up in a thousand
years ten generations ostensibly from now. Well to understand that, Matt,
don't we have to go back to what would it
be helpful for us to go back to a thousand
years before now? I guess Okay, cool, thanks for saying that,
because otherwise that's that's really the only thing we can

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do to to have an understanding. Right, well, let's see
how far we've come in a thousand years and then
extrapolate from there. And Brett, earlier in our previous episode,
you you mentioned the phantom time hypothesis. So you're when
we're playing a little bit with history, please right in
by the way to Hysteria Nation and Us and let

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us know what your take is what actually happened in
ten nineteens, right, really? Yeah, and you can use the
Ducha calendar if you want as well. But okay, so
here's the here's the good news for a lot of people,
in broad evolutionary terms, just basic biology. One thousand years

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is not a drop in the bucket. It's not. It's
not it's not an iota of spit. It's not a snap.
So you're saying it's not enough time to develop gills
Kevin Costner style. The only flaw in One water World,
it's eara. For some reason, people hated that. They were like,

(09:55):
that's so convenient, it's so great, you jerk, we forgot
about that. I got an idea, guys, mad Max on
a water World. Now, only if we get the guy
from field of dream. That's really the glue. But yeah,
this means what does this mean? Like, like, what happens

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if we meet someone? Um putting aside all the interesting
problems with time travel, we just don't think about it
to intensive purposes. If you met someone besides you know,
maybe some some language barriers and in the way they're dressed,
you wouldn't really know the difference because in the last
thousand years we haven't changed that much. I mean, kill them, like,

(10:44):
don't give him a blanket. It would years old and
looks seventy you know, to be a North Centinel Island situation. Possibly,
but but yeah, you're you're absolutely right, you've you've nailed
it in one We would still eat the same food,
we still need the same range of environmental conditions, and

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if there's a little bit of romance in the air,
you can reproduce. There's actually a documentary that explores this.
I think the other member was a little a little
older than just a thousand years old, but explores how
that they might operate in modern society. It is called
Encino Man. God. I felt, I've got to learn that
every time you reference a documentary, it's not so so

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it's interesting. There have been some discernible changes. People like
Dr Alan Kwan, who works with computational genomics. He he
has some very specific ones. One of them is kind
of weird, right, did you you saw this? Yeah, yeah,
the concept of our foreheads changing. They call it the
Manning syndrome Peyton Manning. You guys are just brutal the

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older down. Remember that old insult when people call someone
uh forehead more like five heads. Pretty soon, if this
trend is correct, thousand years from now, people will be
making fun of three heads. If you're if your fourheads too.
So we also seem to have a trend of growing

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taller as a species, but a lot of that is dicey,
like can we can we call that straight up evolution
or is that just our ability to feed ourselves better
and breed with Scandinavians and yeah, there a tall bunch,
Like oh now we have this, we have this conspiracy

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that there's Scandinavians bastards sing. But the biggest difference between
that human and you really would be things that are
a little different. Their societal things, right, medical care, like
advances in technology that have allowed for communication, Like you said,

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language barriers are going to be differ print um, even
just over all the beliefs and values of that person
are going to be vastly different. But I mean, that's
really it. It doesn't yet. It doesn't mean that they
have lower or higher cognitive ability, right, It just means
that their priorities will also widely different. You're very much
you know, your product of your environment you're surrounding, and

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so that's going to play heavily into that. You might
show them a car and they think it's magic, but
that's you're you're so right about it not being their
cognitive ability. That's why we we we did an episode
not that long ago and go backley Teppi and and
and the or the pyramids or whatever, and there's all
of these anthropologists to say, well, how did they do this?

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How could they possibly figure this out? Because they had
the same sized brains that we do. That's how they did.
I mean a lot of elbow grease, maybe a few
decades to figure it out, and you can build stuff. Yeah, yeah, exactly.
And that's why you know, there's a valid criticism of
lot of ancient alien theories where it's like, okay, so

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what's more likely? Is it more likely that someone came
all the way to Earth and built a vague geometric
shape and then left and didn't didn't you know, they
don't want you to know why? Or is it likely
that people were always relatively on the same cognitive scale.

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So this would appear to be good news at first
Blush because this means that for the past thousand years,
the biggest changes to our species have been cultural and technological. Right,
even even the clear and excellent example of the diseases
that we carry and are immune to. Uh, that is

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a technological improvement. We didn't just biologically. Uh. Figure that out,
and our population is skyrocketed. If we were a product
at your local grocery store, what what what's the popular
grocery store in Chicago? Marianna's and Jewel Really Okay, Roger
Baby is owned by Kroger Fingers. On the hand, I see,

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if we were a product in Marianna's, we'd still have
the same ingredients, the same great taste, the same oddly
fragile packaging. It's just easier to find us in more places.
And we have a great example. We've pulled this up before. Oh,
the world population at this moment right now, guys, we're
recording this seven billion, six hundred and eighty eight million,

(15:33):
five hundred and thirty four thousand, four hundred and twenty nine. Yeah,
and that's spinning really fast, really fast. I mean yeah,
when you look at that clock, it's a staggering thing
to see. That's how fast people are coming into this world.
And we always, uh, it's always tempting when we bring
that up in an episode. It's always tempting to check
it again at the end and see how many people

(15:56):
are sixty So that yeah, Um, the premise that most
of us go with when we're you know, doing and
engaging in futurism is that where will we put all
these people? Um, there is some new there's some new
studies out that are looking at larger societies, maybe not

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the globe as a whole, and saying, actually, we are
not currently running at replacement rate. So although it's kind
of like the fact that we are, population is still
growing is a function of things that happened fifty years ago,
because those people are still alive and they overpopulated then uh,
and that if you look a few generations in the future,

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you can actually start to see evening out of because
this number keeps growing, evening out, or even decline. So
there's not a consensus in the scientific community that overpopulation
is going to continue to exponentially explode the way we
kind of all been fed by like enthusiasan reasoning stuff.

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Yeah exactly. You don't want to go azamandias on it
and just wipe out most everybody. Yeah, snappers, you know,
I would say. The thing that made that guy Thanos
a real villain and the biggest plot hole in that
film spoiler is he could have just made the universe
twice as big or just double. You snap it and

(17:23):
you make it twice as big, you double all of
the whatever you need, all the resources. I think he
was just being super emo to be completely but but
his cosmic Billy corgan this aside the we we can
say right now also opened a t shop also shot

(17:44):
where uh, we as a species are making some huge
waves a multiple fronts, and Matt and I were trying
to figure out the best way to frame this and
what we came up with was the good, the bad,
and the ugly. Right, So there you go. I can't
do that's great. Indio Morricone, right of good things. We

(18:08):
get good things when it comes to technology, we're the
best in the biz because we're the only ones we
really know, you know, like some higher order mammals can
make tools, corvids can use sticks or whatever. But as
far as we know, no non human entity has built
a computer yet, right yet. But I mean, I'm giving

(18:31):
it dolphins, but we haven't found them yet, right, right,
And it's probably built to do something that only dolphins
would when you get it, it's for dolphin kisses. Right.
So some of us listening now, we remember a world
before smartphones. We talked about this in our episode about
humanity a century from now. We remember times before the internet,
a world of landlines and paper maps. Somebody would tell

(18:55):
tell you where to go at a certain time and
you would have to remember it your self. And um,
we're also learning more about our own bodies. Genetic research
is definitely going to help us eradicate some genetic diseases,
as well as eventually allowing us to tweak some specific
traits for practical purposes and cosmetic ones. You know what

(19:18):
I mean. You want you want kids will purple eye? Yeah,
one of the that you mentioned on the technology side,
you when we talked about AI and we've all I
we've all done episodes on AI. It's probably not worth
diving deep into, but it is worth talking about that.
We need to be careful as it relates to, you know,
creating nanobots and things of that nature. UM. I recently

(19:42):
read are you guys familiar with Nick Bostrom, Swedish philosopher.
He's got some really cool interesting stuff on on future
and I read this thing about the UH. They call
it the paper clip Maximizer, and it's basically a thought experiment,
that's all it is. But it's the idea the most
mundane thing that you could tell an artificial intelligence to

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do could turn out really poorly. UM. So here's a
quote from him. Suppose we have an AI whose only
goal is to make as many paper clips as possible.
The AI will quickly realize that it would be much
better if there were no humans, because humans might decide
to switch it off, and their ultimate goal is to
make as many paper clips as possible. Okay, because because
a cheery story, and this is generalized AI, so we

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can think big pictures. Also, human bodies contain a lot
of atoms that could be made into paper clips, reformat
and turn into paper clips. The future that that AI
would be trying to gear towards would be one in
which they were a lot of paper clips, but not
a lot of humans. And if you like from a

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if you hadn't programmed that robot to value human life
or to understand empathy, we're talking like that could be
a problem. Yeah, that leads a street into the bad. Really,
that's an excellent example. Many of the same, the self
same technological innovations that are looming on our species horizons

(21:07):
will probably create new problems as readily as they solve
existing ones. Like John, your example with the paper clip maximizer,
aside from being frankly terrifying, is spot on because we
don't know what this stuff will be like once we
actually created. To our common knowledge, there is no functioning

(21:29):
generalized machine consciousness, generalized AI. There's stuff like no offense,
conspiracy body, but there's there's stuff that can do specific task.
We haven't reached the singularity, right, and and that's why
it's such a broad term, because we don't It's that
we don't know, and that's why it's so scary for people,

(21:50):
and it's so inspiring for people, and everyone seem terminator
you know, And so that's always looming in the back
of your mind because that that is I guess a
pop stability. Yeah, and that's a good metaphor. But it
looks like we have we may well have a terminator situation.
It just won't look human, it'll be um gray goo. Yes,

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So that this is the thing I wanted to bring up.
The paper clip problem gets exponentially scarier if it's not
making paper clips, if it's replicating, if it's just making
more of itself, right, and if it's a nanoscale technology
that's just self replicating replicating, that means that the gray
goo that is inside of our heads that can come
up with making a nano bot and then getting that

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nano bot to have artificial technology to continue to replicate,
then creates this thing that occurs out in the physical
world that is a gray goo that is just an
entire planet covered in nanobots that have self replicated to
the point where that's all that's left. It's all that's there. Yeah, yeah, exactly.
And this and if we survive all of this, then
when the other bad news concerns our bodies and the

(22:55):
environment in which they live. Genetic research, everybody loves it.
I think we shout at alt Gatica earlier. It's a
fantastic film. Watch it again if you've already seen it. Uh.
Like most most advanced technologies, especially in their earlier days,
this is going to be controlled by wealthy institutions at
first because of the um way that society functions right

(23:18):
now and so before it bleeds into the genes of
a general population, before like the descendants of Jeff Bezos
Uh scandalizes his or her family and sleeps with a peasant. Uh.
This stuff could result in in something and it's most
extreme that we would call man made speciation. But then
there's the chance we talked about this for the tin

(23:40):
Cream with traits and one part of the jenet Co
could have unintended disastrous consequences. For fiction, a good example
of this would be the Eloy and the Morlocks from
the Time Machine. Right, you know are did? We have
the best of intentions and all of a sudden, now
we're in a moment underneath the ground because we can't
be on the sunlight just because Crisper ran right, there's

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a ticking time bomb inside of every cell. Very A
lot of geneticists are like, well, the key to immortality
could be turning off that time bomb. One of the
challenges or scary parts of that is there's one type
of cell today that does not have that time bomb
in it. It's a cancer cell. Yes, And so you

(24:22):
you change the makeup of a cell a little too much,
you become a big tumor all of a sudden, right, right,
and technically speaking, very technically speaking, there is one immortal
individual Henrietta lacks at least her cancer right you no, no, Well,
listen to our episode on and do we do an

(24:43):
episode or just a we did an episode on immortality
in the various terribly problematic ways. It's can achieve it.
It's this crazy messed up thing where this one woman's
cancer cells were taken as UH samples to be tested,
right testing, and then all of the like all of
the other samples that were that existed in this one

(25:05):
building ended up having Henrietta Laxes cancer cells in those samples.
And then they started realizing, wait a second, somehow these samples,
because they were being shipped across the planet to be studied, UH,
they ended up in all the cancer cells samples, or
at least the vast majority of them, and they they

(25:26):
continue to reproduce. Yes, yes, even after being technically immortal,
but not the kind of immortality you probably yeah, remember,
But it goes back to our whole um humanity as
a virus thing spreading across the cosmos from our last episode.
Isn't that what you want to do? It? You want

(25:47):
to reproduce, you want to live. You know that you're
breaking it down to its basis terms. But I mean
that's the idea. And guess what I was. I needed
to leave this body. I need to leave this planet,
you know. And they say we're going to have to
be an interplanetary species. Well guess what virus is spread?
We get angry when it's cancer, but we're one on
board if it's us, right, right, right. So the last

(26:10):
thing is the climate. Yes, the climate you've heard it before.
Is the tragedy of commons writ large. Unless we all
at the same time make some massive changes, the climate
seems set to inevitably change in some drastic ways. Ocean
a cidification, temperature changes, deforestation, and so on. I have
one question. Yes, you guys are familiar with the Cardassian scale. Yes, um,

(26:32):
we are currently a point seven on the cardassip scale UM.
They say that a level one civilization UM can control
all of the energy on their planet, and as a
function that they can control all of the weather. Everything
pretty much is happening in their neck of the woods.
If we achieve level one in the next thousand years,

(26:56):
don't we also achieve the ability to go, oh well,
we can just do whatever we need to do the
atmosphere and make sure that doesn't happen. Yes, the problem
is getting to that thousand year mark from here. That is,
you don't let anything that we've already done to ourselves
before we can get that fair If if life has

(27:18):
existed on other planets and emerged from a goog from
a you know, a chemical reaction that occurred because they're
just happened to be the right molecules on that planet,
don't you think they do, they go through a very
similar process of figuring out. Yeah, that like life is
probably very similar. Of that's the grand equalizers if they're

(27:41):
smart enough to save themselves, because they all probably come
up to this party right now, we're very close to
the tipping point we were talking about, you know, a singularity.
We're almost to that point now where we need to
decide that we want to better ourselves or are do
we want to wipe oursels out? I think that's assuming
that they're like normal ish whatever we consider like carbon

(28:05):
based life forms. Um. You know, there's also people that
speculate that on gas giants, uh, sentient life could develop
in in a way that we don't even understand. YEA, yeah, no,
I guess what I just what I mean is uh,
the fuel, the available fuel that exists on whatever planetary
body that the the life emerges from, ends up being

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used up to an extent or altered to an extent,
no matter what it is. That in a thousand years
from now, if we're going to be able to to
do the things that we need to do to save
our our our planet from extinction of whatever might happen.
To be able to explore the cosmos, we're gonna need
energy and things like that that come from far more

(28:52):
black holes other dimensions. That these are the things that
they say that we're going to be playing with if
we are, you know, to be a a level two
or something like that. So climate, uh, in and of itself,
is nothing. Climate is the the VHS that we have

(29:13):
to to use. Your earlier temple math the VHS. We
have to keep him work in order until we can
afford So the last thing we mentioned the good, we
talked about the bad, the big bads. Now we have
to talk about the ugly. Just briefly. There's one ugly
thing you should keep in your mind, folks, as as
we listen along. The number one ugly thing, the frightening,

(29:35):
horrifying anti ganesh like elephant in our species collective room
is put simply this, there is a very high chance
that we will not make it to the one thousand
year mark. We we were safe. In our earlier episode
we said, you know, we're assuming that dothing terrible happens
to the one hundred year mark. Now we're doing that

(29:56):
ten times, you know, uh, And it's Stephen hawkins estimation.
We absolutely are not going to make it unless we
get off of Earth. Stephen Hawkins not necessarily a curmudgeon,
but calls him like you Seeson. He he has some
statements that are pretty much along the lines of, uh,

(30:18):
screw humans unless they get off Earth. Screw Earth. We
need to leave it, you know, no disrespect, but it's
working out. Uh. Aliens are real and screw them to uh,
we're gonna get ai and you know what, screw that?
That's I mean, I'm paraphrasing a little. Yeah, yeah, we
learned about a lot of that stuff. Did you have
you guys ever spoken with Josh Clark, who did The

(30:41):
End of the World from stuff you should know? Know?
We uh, we really want to. We're gonna have him
on to talk the Fermi paradox. That's great, that's gonna
be great. Yeah. So he has a podcast that explores
all the chuckles that are that are facing us. Oh yeah,
it's a it's a cavalcade of comedy. Yeah, but we
we recommend that with all this in mind, we have

(31:02):
to understand that everything we are about to contemplate about
human civilization one thousand years from now is inherently optimistic,
if only because we are assuming that somewhere, somehow, something
like humanity is still is still partying on in three
thousand nineteen. What are we talking about. We'll tell you
after a word from our sponsor, here's where it gets crazy.

(31:31):
Humanity one thousand years from now. Welcome to thirty nineteen.
If you're listening to this, then hypothetically you have survived
and out of all the weird trials and travails that
you have encountered in thirty nineteen. You have decided to
take a break and listen to a podcast, and you've

(31:52):
chose this one. So thank you job doing some ancient
recovery of either technology or I don't know. This is
a part of an archaeological dig. Yeah, this show is
actually included in the tests ract. I'm sure it's going
to go into the Smithsonian at one point in time
or another, so you know it's true. Yeah, it will

(32:14):
be like the regional version, you know, like how they're
ted X talks span X. So let's let's let's let's
see we we left off thousand years ago. We left
off with the fact that there are inevitable things that
will happen in the climate as we knew it from
twenty nineteen, right, so we're a thousand years later. A

(32:36):
lot of a lot of water under the bridge, you know,
a lot of water over there, A lot of water
over the bridge. Is who he did there, Matt? Can
you tell us a little bit about what what's happened
with the climate? Well, odds are humanity continued despite our
best intentions. We continue to use carbon fuels, carbon based

(33:00):
poles and other things that put c O two emissions
out into the atmosphere. Right, because as of twenty nineteen,
UH CEO two emissions are at an average of three
hundred and eighty five parts per million. Sounds really low, right,
per million sounds really low. But but here's the deal.
That's increasing and if that gets up just a little

(33:21):
bit higher to say four hundred and fifty, maybe all
the way up to six hundred parts per million, and
that could be really bad because if it reaches that
level of as an average, and then if in some
way all CEO two emissions just stop dead, no more,
no more carbon dioxide is added to the atmosphere. Uh,

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this is what would happen. There would be persistent decreases
in dry season rainfall that are that are and would
be comparable to the nineteen thirties depression era, like the
dust bowl that we've all heard of, that would just exist.
That would there would be in zones all, yeah, it
would be. There would be zones of this stuff, this

(34:06):
terrible situation all across the planet, every everywhere from southern
Europe to northern Africa, southwestern North America, which already you
know is not doing great in twenty nineteen. If you
think about some of the wildfire situations and uh other
just heat situations. Uh, Southern Africa would be affected, Western Australia.

(34:27):
Human water supplies, specifically fresh water supplies aquifers, which is
already suspect right now. Yes, that stuff would decrease much further. Um. Again,
fires would just be everywhere. If you're one of those
people who hates being cold, is like your year, Yeah,

(34:47):
actually several years after and then up until it's your face,
and all kinds of agriculture is going to be hugely
affected by this, just be because of the differences in
rainfall at this point, because of these things. Now, you said,
if it if all the emission stops, so your meaning

(35:08):
you're you're you're saying that we take we make progress
and they all stop. But this these will still be
the outcomes. Yes, Because it takes that long for a
large climate change to effect to be effected, essentially a
thousand years, right, that's one of the main issues. It
takes forever to the effects will be seen rather quickly,

(35:31):
and then it takes a long time to fix those
To put the toothpaste back into the tube. Yes, that
is to say though or or this is without saying
that there could be technological advancements up to this point
where we could cause that CEO to to be out
of the atmosphere for one reason or another. That's our
wild card. We're leaning heavy on this one. I don't

(35:55):
know about you, guys, but I have I've learned most
recently that climate change isn't actually a real thing. Um you, No,
it's not a real thing. You saw how cold it
got in the in in the Midwest this winter. Obviously
things aren't getting climate change and as we all know,

(36:16):
plants like CEO two, so this isn't a problem. I
don't know why we're talking about this. I can't. I can't,
But in all seriousness, if I do think, if we
make it to a thousand years from now, isn't that
kind of part and parcel with we will have the
technology to fix this, like the the in between time,
like you mentioned before, Ben is the challenge. But if

(36:36):
we make it there unless I guess there's one addendum
to that, if we get reduced to the place where
we are, you know, a bunch of tribes running around
again because we've lost technology because of cataclysmic events, I
suppose in that case it wouldn't. But assuming we're still
a relatively normal society, whether it's a global society or

(36:57):
still split up by then wouldn't we have the heck
to to affect changer? Hopefully? The question is whether, given
our tribalistic nature, we would be capable of cooperating on
a large enough scale to implement it in a meaningful way.
So maybe some some country or some institute, or increasingly

(37:18):
what would be likely as some large private institution, a company,
the Brothers, the Koke Brothers, uh, Nestley, Uni, Lever, Halliburton,
all the hits, all the good ones. Uh. They they
have a let's say that they have a way to
to game the weather in a specific region, or they

(37:39):
have something like innovative breakthrough the weather dominating Yeah, yeah, yeah,
and through the wild card and you're fine, right right.
The question is what what sort of negotiation or arrangement
would they expect people to enter into in order to

(37:59):
gain access to that technology. That study about CEO two,
by the way, is from the National Oceanic and Atmospheric Administration,
and according to their study, they're not a super controversial group,
by the way. Actually, no, uh, Yeah, there's sort of

(38:20):
the bad Boys of oceanography. They they do say in
this same study that changes in surface temperature, this is
a quotation. Rainfall and sea level are largely irreversible for
more than one thousand years after CEO two, emissions are
completely stopped. And they if you look at the study,

(38:40):
they've they've gained it such that they go from the
average emission now to maybe they say it increases just
a little bit, and then it all stops, increases towards
that more reasonable number the matches named max out at
six million, and then that just stops. The scary thing
is it's not going to completely stop. Like that's just

(39:03):
not how things of that scale will be breathing. That's true,
Like we admit c O two every time we take
a breath. Classic us damn virus. I'm sorry, I've been
really off off away from the podcast, off topic here.
You guys ever get caught in um the overuse of

(39:27):
a turn of phrase or a figure of speech. Yeah,
you can't stop using it, Like I've got to stop
referring to things as classic whatever. The other person just said.
It's kind of like when I refer to things as
a documentary when they're not really documentaries. But you did
that so well because I felt that after you had

(39:48):
had clearly shown us that that was on the way. Yeah.
The other one is, um, I went through, oh, I
will die on this hill, which is a melodramatic way
to reply to anything barring barring you actually being on
a hill and willing to die over it. Right that
actually that does not happen yet. So if you're listening

(40:10):
in right, and let us know what your favorite turn
of future phrases, assuming you're alive, it's like it's like
Bill and Ted, you guys literally saved the universe. Well,
you're in this town, and all of this is just

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to say that in a thousand years, if we don't
fix this right, it'll look this way. So and the
other thing that we'll see is sea levels because of this,
and it's directly related to those CEO two And that's
also a pretty It doesn't sound as bad initially when
you say it that if if it happens the same way,

(40:52):
oceans will rise at an average of I think one
point two feet or something or what is it, uh,
one point three to three point two ft. That's that's
exactly what it is. So like a maximum of a meter.
But when you think about that, though, yes, bye bye Florida,
you know, bye bye all these coastal Aitas islands, a
lot of Micronesia. Then the leaders of those countries, a

(41:15):
lot of island nations are very well aware of this,
because even back in nineteen they could see this stuff
happening and they pled their case to I think we
used to call the United Nations, which may still be around.
I don't know. Yeah, well, speaking of in ten, I
believe that a piece of the Arctic shelf fell off

(41:36):
that was the size of Delaware, Jez Delaware on a
what a wonderfully descriptive size Delaware. That's our new Let's
just compare things. Toted the picture of Delaware for comparison
three point six Delawares. That's great, let's do that. So so, yes,

(41:59):
the ocean will rise, and it will rise by two
meters if c O two peaks at one thousand parts
per million, and two meters makes a hell of a difference.
That's that's where you know the smart money has already
bought something in land and they're waiting for the beach

(42:19):
to show up. That beach front property you own in Arkansas,
right right, right, right right. Uh, this this brings us
to we're talking about the natural world. This brings us
to another thing. Even in ten we as a species
were undergoing what's called a great extinction. Great great extinctions

(42:40):
are nothing new. This is not the first, this will
not be the last, but they are brutal to experience.
In the moment, you know, um, a thousand years Hence,
we will have already have lost quite a few wild animals.
Quite if you plan. It's a ton of insects, many

(43:02):
of which were never discovered before they went extinct. But
because we're a thousand years in the future now, we
may also be able to pull a wooly mammoth and
bring them back. We just don't know where we will
put them. Well, Ben, you spent so much time trying
to figure out if you could, you never stopped to

(43:24):
think if you should. You know, yeah, yeah, yeah, it's
it's true. We look at all these things that they're
just talking about. The bees are now on the endangered
species list, and they say, you know, where are we
without bees? And the politonization I mean hurting very much. So,

(43:46):
so you better hope that we have that kind of
technology or wherewithal now to change things. Like you said,
hard stop, you know, but you know there needs to
be a lot of hard stops in almost every one
of these camps for our next thousand years to be
something that we want to be a part of. Another
threat to throw into the ring, other than being in

(44:07):
an extinction moment um, other than where the climate could
go from a warming perspective, the um we are overdue
for the next ice age? Oh yeah, and a thousand
years makes it much more likely. Now. It's a weird
catch twenty two because they most scientists think that the

(44:27):
reason hasn't happened again yet is because the global warming
ourselves by killing ourselves. Yeah. Um, it's like cutting the rope.
But you're like hanging over a vat of acid, Like
I'm either going to hang here or I'm going to
fall into the vat of acid. These are not good outcomes.

(44:48):
But and I am I am not a climatologist. I
don't know if I told you that guys before we
started the show. I'm not. You're not like some kind
of weather surgeon or what do they call it, climatician um.
But I have to imagine that the balance there of
global warming versus the Earth really wants it's next ice

(45:10):
age um all play in somehow to a cosmic soup
of not goodness. Yes, yeah, that's that's the thing. That's
what makes this a tricky topic. If we're talking about
the planet in one thousand years, it's gonna be around,
it's it's it's going to be by and large, uh,

(45:34):
still home to some sort of life. The question is
whether or not people are still going to be in
the mix. And for assuming that they are, they're going
to be radically different from what we know. That that
that thing we talked about where we could speak, well,
we could interact with someone from ten nineteen and they
would look sort of like us. That's probably not the

(45:55):
case in thirty nine because of environmental or design or
reasons either or apps. I would say, I would argue
largely designer reasons because now we are capable in thirty
nineteen of impacting, affecting, and steering our own evolution and adaptations.
Because despite the Great extinction, despite the ups and downs

(46:18):
with the climate or the the ecology in which we live,
if we're around and civilization hasn't collapsed, we're going to
be doing amazing science fiction level stuff. Will we be
close to being a Type two civilization? I don't know.
Type two has a has a hell of a gap.

(46:40):
You know, there's there's it's Type two, the one where
you are able to star your tot your star right,
harness the entire basically, will we have a dicense sphere? Yes,
or progress to where we don't need one because we've
come up with some other Maybe we get to type
one and we say, okay, let's just let's stay here,

(47:02):
let's franchise out Mars and and maybe you know, yeah,
if the Martians want to do it, they can. But
we will have this amazing technology. We will have super
fast computers, perhaps perhaps so so very quick that they

(47:24):
are no longer computers to us. They are part of us.
You know, like we mentioned with people becoming um, you know,
becoming digital versions of themselves. This is this is rife
for Also a side note, a new era of folklore.
Can you imagine all the urban legends. You will literally

(47:46):
hear voices in your head. Your ancestors will not have died,
they will still exist. Yeah you uh, you've got beef
with your great uncle. He's still around. And now you're
saying he still around because they captured his consciousness. Okay,
they it's funny. One of the technologies they're talking about,
but this could be actually a lot sooner than a

(48:08):
thousand years. Is just taking enough writings, uh, and enough
other input about a person and in their life, and
all of a sudden you input all of that and
you get into augmented or virtual reality and you're sitting
there having a conversation with Samuel Clemens. You know, it's
an approximation obviously thereof but but you mean actually talking
to the person right right, the the the digital for

(48:32):
the digital essence, the closest we could get perhaps to
a soul at that point. But it gets even weirder
because we will also like, at this point we're clearly
in ship of thesis territory, and this means that, you know,
maybe let's say you have the the digital ghost of

(48:53):
your great great grandmother says you know what, Brent, I
remember the Gorpian Wars, and I would love to go
to that museum with you. Just buy me a body, right,
because now it's just hardware. Do you know what they
call him? A sleeve? Was that in an altered carbon? Yes? Yes, ye, yeah, Alright,

(49:17):
guess let's stop right there for a second and we'll
come right back afterward. From our sponsor, alright, strap in,
let's get back in this. The other wild card here
that could impact every aspect of what we've talked about,
whether it be how we harness power. Do we have

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the technology to create a dice and sphere? Uh? Do
we have the technology to save our Earth? To to
to do all of these things? Would be the interference
of another society. Extraterrestrials um so interdimensional word? Interdimensional? Sure?
I We talked about this on our show a lot.

(50:01):
Whether we believe in aliens? There's two questions always hidden there.
Do you believe that another form of life exists in
this universe? Absolutely? The second question, do you think they've
been here? We are I don't. I don't think that
they've been here, But I think we are very very

(50:21):
close to them showing up. Like I think we're getting
far far enough along to be able to send some
signals out there, to be able to see things. Um.
I think we're I think that we're going to get
to a point very soon where they're just gonna show
up one day. Um. First from Star Trek first, contact
have our warp drive moment now the if that happens,

(50:46):
which I think is just as realistic a possibility as
we can upload our conscious I mean, like it's just
the showing up, Hey, they're here, because if we do
acknowledge that they exist, you know, if depending on how
old they are, their technology they're they are, if they
are able to reach us from something that we can't
see right now, chances are their technology is so advanced

(51:07):
that they could help us, help bring us along. And
I that would I mentioned wild card, that would be
the ultimate wild card, because they're introducing new technologies to
us that bring us. I don't think it's the alienation
thing where they're just as messed up as we are
and and have the same internal cards and strife and
you know, because then it's just that doesn't align to me.

(51:29):
How could they have gotten here so quickly with such
advanced technology just to be as you know then as
we are. That opens up the whole other, you know,
line of thinking of if they are that advanced and
they're going to see that, why do they care? Right right?
That's the thing. The question then becomes not whether we
would be capable of recognizing this as sentient life. It

(51:52):
would be whether it recognizes us as uh mitchokku he
he was like he was, everyone sees ant hills. When's
the last time you said, ants, here are beads and trinkets,
take me to your your queen. You know I'm saying that.
And if you do, the ants don't know you're talking
to them. Now. Is the ant dumb because it doesn't
understand English? Or is it Are you dumb because you're

(52:12):
trying to talk to an ant because I've got the
magnifying glass out and I'm trying to burn them with
the sun. Yeah, right, It's just I mean everything gets
very quickly to the level of stories from the Old Testament,
you know what I mean, Like we can we can
we can give favor to these ants and they'll say,
oh food or like oh the other ants that we're

(52:36):
killing us are mysteriously gone and the land is poisoned.
I just hope wherever we go, if we're ever in
that position to where we can be the ones who
out there, we just build pyramids and leave, you know,
I mean, that's a power move, you know what I mean.
I vote we get weird with it. Let's let's let's

(53:00):
give let's let's give some very basic and wildly arbitrary,
irrelevant rules, you know what I mean, Like, let's ban
people from doing let's ban a life form from doing
something very specific with its antenna or and it's got

(53:20):
to be something they would normally have never thought of doing. Right.
But you're but you're right, this this span of time,
this one thousand years, it inherently includes space exploration at
this point, right, uh, very very soon. As far as
twenty nineteen went, Elon Musk was planning to have four

(53:43):
ships permanently on a on a circuit to Mars, and
they're gonna start sending you think is when that's gonna
kick into Yes, So even if that estimate is wild optimistic,
which it is. But even if even if it's so

(54:04):
wildly optimistic that that doesn't happen until uh, still another
nine hundred years. So if we're going to if we're
going to get to space, it is going to be
within this time span, which makes it one of the
most important eras in human history. And that goes to

(54:25):
your your point, John, that will involve us putting out
so much noise in the universe, even more than we
already have, and we all read those, you know, those
kind of bleak dystopian sci fi pieces where we finally
get a message from space and it's something cryptic like
they'll hear you and then and that could be That

(54:49):
could be the thing, because we could also find ourselves
in a situation we're just speculating. Now, there's not a
basis on this as a thought experiment. We can find
ourselves in a situation where I mean, I would ad ants.
This is more likely the meeting of biological life form,
where we find the creations of some other organic life
form and they're really into paper clips. We know that

(55:15):
Pluto used to be an entire sphere, but it's slowly disintegrating.
And then we have that calculator. That's the thing, given
what we understand about travel across these impossibly vast distances.
Unless there, unless they have a propulsion or transit system
that redefines our understanding of physics, which they pretty much

(55:37):
would have to, we would be in one of the
worst waiting games ever. We would say we know something's coming,
we know it's not natural. We have four years to Yeah,
so people are gonna spuild religions around that. I mean
everything every I mean, mass hysteria, and and a lot,

(55:59):
a lot of a lot of religions that we have
back in twenty nineteen. I'm I'm riding this dead horse
to the ground. They they will have also changed such
that they would they may be widely unrecognizable to people
practice them today. Right. The Catholic Church has soldiered throughout

(56:20):
the years and may well still exist, but may also
have a very different set of practices. They've come out
in years recent and said like if aliens come, it's
it's okay, It's part of God's plan. It's part of
the Bible, you know, all inclusive, bringing on in you know,
in which you would have been burned for not that
long ago, the same thing that. But Ben, I think

(56:41):
you you bring up a really good point, but you
can almost take it to the next level, not just religion,
but society and species changes so so so continuing along
the thought experiment. As a society, we're probably a global
society by that point. We probably speak one to two
languages as a as a group. The rest are dead languages, um,

(57:02):
and we probably you know, one currency for the planet.
I mean, these are just things that are almost inevitable
over that time period. Um. If that's the case and
we are an interplanetary species, we're going to have to
do some of the things that we discussed earlier, some
gene editing, some edition of cybernetics, things of that nature.

(57:23):
We're going to have to change to live in different environments.
So there's probably going to be a group of people.
They could be living on the ore cloud. Uh there,
there could there will be a group of people at
Um living near Proximus and tory Um. All of these
people will have had to have changed and could be
gone for long enough periods of time because of how

(57:45):
long it takes to get there that their heritage there.
The way they look, they almost would be disassociate themselves
from the history of man. They are their own thing.
We have created aliens thousand years. Hence we have created aliens.
The most well known to us are probably Martians, but

(58:05):
the lunar people are pretty weird too. They're like the
New Florida and well, it's underwater. They had to go somewhere,
by which imitt awesome and Disney owns it. But but
the that's that's fantastic though, because now we we may

(58:27):
have also it's the weird part this. Maybe a thousand
years is too small margin for this, But what if
we had a successful call in me on Mars, somehow survived,
not just survived, but thrived, and then civilization on Earth collapsed,
we entered a dark age. We had legends about Martians,

(58:48):
but they never screwed up to the extent that we did.
And they decided to come visit us, They're like, Wow,
our parents houses trash like that. That would be an
alien encounter for us. They would be extraterrestrials. Um. But
at this point, we will have had if we're around

(59:09):
at all, we will have had people visiting these places
and hopefully living there on a semi permanent basis very quickly.
And I think you raised this point earlier. But they
will speciate that or be completely uploaded into some sort
of cybernetic you know, West World, right, and then then

(59:33):
that negates all of that, you know, So we may have, um,
we may have a situation where everybody on Earth speaks
those one to two languages. That's incredibly likely. But we
may be in a situation where someone says, Okay, I
have to use my um cybernetic parts to my my

(59:54):
in the cloud software programming, because I've got to speak
with this Martia who knows what the hell they're talking about.
And it becomes even more likely if we play out
the scenario we discussed earlier where we're using when we
start with um um self replicating robots getting us to
other places. Uh. And then if we want to go

(01:00:18):
there because we we can't survive you know, the five
year trip or whatever, we laser shoot our consciousness there.
They like Mitch Yukako, you mentioned him earlier, Brent, he
talks about a day where we will be um cosmic
tourists and so, oh you want to go. You know,

(01:00:39):
look at this exo planet that is, you know, fifty
light years away. We just we shoot through a laser
our consciousness there. You've got a robot body waiting there
that you rent for the day, and you go look
around and see the big volcanoes, and then you shoot
to the next planet and so on and so forth.
Now taking that a step back, just the ability to
get there, but and and and shoot a large laser

(01:01:03):
beam shoot our consciousness there. If we shoot there and
the laser, the laser itself could take five years to
get there, depending on how far away it is. There's
no time involved to you. You get there and then
you know, a thousand of your friends, you start a
new all of a sudden, now we've got a new
species of robot people, right, and yeah, and we're again

(01:01:23):
we're much more likely, based on what we understand about
sentient life, which is very very little, we're much more
likely to run into technology of some sort that sentient
life created. It's it's the uh, the the jeer kind
of example from Star Trek, right. And what's fascinating about
that is there's a very important step that we can't

(01:01:45):
we can't miss. And I know as some of as
we're listening along, we said, well, all right, send your
consciousness through this laser robot people come back to Earth, right,
return these memories to you know, uh Matt or John
on Prime or whatever you call yourselves, to experience that.
What that means is they're going to have to reverse

(01:02:06):
the cloud process. They're going to take the relationship between
neurons mapped out virtually, and they'll see and see the
difference between that and then have your neurons performed the
same dance so that now you can remember these things
and all you had to do, was you know, to wait,
switch bodies whatever, repair yourself for five dred to one

(01:02:30):
thousand years. So it's it's like, you know, it's there's
some time involved. I just want to know one thing,
how long I need to work to build up that
kind of time off. That's the that's the question. Yeah,
I'll be I'm gonna put my out of office on
I'll be back in a thousand year d m V.

(01:02:52):
Still terrible. It's still terrible. It is crazy to you
imagine that perhaps one day our species will think of
time on that kind of scale I think we would have.
We'll have to inevitably or it'll just be an an
illusory thing. We know that we'll have uh terraforming down
pat Uh. It will still be it'll be an imperfect science,

(01:03:16):
but we'll have a lot better idea of what we're
working in with and what the scale is. We will
have finally answered your earlier question, gentlemen, whether it's better
to use a laser or nuclear weapon on the on
the polls of mors. Yes, Uh. We'll have new energy sources,
some of which we're going to have a difficulty comprehending

(01:03:38):
in like harnessing interactions and and higher dimensions or different dimensions.
UM will also have utility fog, which is, yeah, it's
like a well it's thought experiment now, but it's like,
so the Philosopher's Stone in alchemy can transform any substance

(01:03:59):
into any other substance, utility cloud utility fog. Rather, it's
kind of like a nano tech version of that. You
can say, well, I'm I enjoy this domicile, but now
I want something a bit more what do they call it? Southwestern?
And when something with a Pueblo feel, make it so,

(01:04:19):
and then this fog, these nanobots would just rearrange into
whatever they thought you meant now Hopefully, hopefully it won't
be as fraught with hilarious error as UM telling your
Amazon or your Google home in what song you want
to hear? Right, It's like it's like a crazy three

(01:04:44):
D printer from the future. Yes, yeah, just a living,
breathing three D printer. Well, I I just made the
UM quite necessary star Trek CONEC Generation reference. Yeah, the
better series. Sorry, um, yeah, I know, I just I
just hot take just started a war. Yes, Kirker Picard,

(01:05:08):
you decide Um, No, they thank you. Uh they the
one thing we haven't talked about with all of this
is okay, but what if we do a chief faster
than light travel, or what if we do find a
way to bend spacetime to where you can you know,
warp seven and then we just virus out everywhere. Yeah,

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thats just in a word, it's going to be baller. Yeah,
because like we can, we will be able to finally
confirm things that we have wandered about since we were
able to wonder about things. Are we rare? Are we
alone in the universe? And by the time, by by

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the by the time we take time out of the equation,
which is tricky, but that is the right way to
say it in English, then all bets are off. Everything
has changed. Know, if you are if you are warping
time and space, then you can visit ten nineteen if
you so wished to. Right. Um, I don't know if
people would or if we recognize because now at this

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point in thirty nineteen, people are recognizable to us, but
we are um, we are early man to them, and
we we use our hands to do things. Um, not
out of some sort of fashion statement, but because we

(01:06:33):
have to still eat the whole of food. Yeah, Now
here's here's the thing. So we've talked about this in
the past. Human beings now we think of ourselves as individuals,
but we're much closer to cities ourselves, given all the
cells that outnumber us, that live inside us. And this

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trend will continue, and in a thousand years again, if
people are still around and nothing super horrific, it can
existential occurs. We are going to redefine our privacy will
be gotten long on. Privacy is a relatively recent notion
in twenty nineteen, and that's probably when it started die
now too, But but by thirty nineteen, privacy will will

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be a weird alien why would you do that concept?
And the concept of the individual will change as well,
because the individual will be just the way our consciousness
now is an agglomeration or the sum total of interactions
between neurons. We will each individually be a networked node
of several different things. You won't just have one cloud consciousness,

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You'll have you'll have multiple You'll be a group mind,
and at times that group mind might not agree with
what you consider you, which is freaky. I mean, it's
it's something we've always stated in multiple languages throughout ancient history.
Like I'm I'm on the fence. I'm of two minds
about that. You will be of several hundred. Well, guys, uh,

(01:08:07):
in the end, no matter, you know, all the things
we've discussed so far in this this episode, all of
us in this room, the four of us, Paul out there,
everyone listening in their office right now. They and oh, conspiracy,
But I didn't even see you back there. He must
be recharging drunk. Oh, that's what it is. They eventually
pass out, So all of us, you know, in the end,

(01:08:30):
we're all going to get together in twenty nineteen and
decide that our species is going to move forward towards
the future. We're gonna steer our planet and our civilization
in the direction of a utopian thirty nineteen. Yeah, can
we get some inspiring music under that? I'm totally totally kidding.

(01:08:53):
All of the decisions that could lead to any type
of utopian future will be made in corporate borders and
in government situation rooms, and the decisions will be based
on profits and margins in election cycles. The end, we
fizzle out for I mean for some for some point
of time. Oh, I wish we had more time. I

(01:09:15):
find myself. This is unusual for us, Matt, I find
myself a little bit more optimistic. I think it probably is.
And speaking of John and Brent, Uh, maybe we should
maybe we should end on a UM, end on a
cooperative new and go around the table. First off, guys,
thank you so much for coming on our show on

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behalf of us and our listeners. Secondly, two questions. Uh,
we'll start with you John one, what of the things
we've examined today, what do you find most exciting? And
to what do you find most terrifying? If you had
to choose, let me do a reverse or I think
the most terrifying is the idea of moving from where

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we are to that next phase two where we become
um a first or second class civilization according to the
cartage of scale. I think that the road between here
and there is littered with a lot of potholes that
could that could be UM really really take us off

(01:10:22):
track and could become one of those existential threats, whichever
one you want to talk about. I mean, I think
they're all just as likely as one is just as
likely as another, you know. UM, That's what that's the
most terrifying part, because and and the reason that's the
most terrifying is I I'm a pretty big optimist when
it comes to these things. I think a lot of

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negative human behavior is driven by need and necessity. Certainly
some people are driven by power, but that power is
rooted in the power that other people will give to them.
And if if the masses are are fairly happy, they're
not going to allow a tyrant to run them. And
just my one guy's thought. So I think that if

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we if we are able to get to a thousand
years from now and we have made it past these
existential threats, I do see a little bit more utopian.
I think we'll be interacting with other alien species and
and I think it will we will be a multiplanetary
perhaps multi galaxial if that's not a word. I just

(01:11:26):
made it up, uh species, And I think it could
be a really really cool future. We just got to
get there. I think that the for me, the thing
that is the most exciting is the thought of the
exploration what's out there, what we could do. You know,
It's one of those things you can just shut your
brain off and think, and there's really no wrong answers

(01:11:47):
because we don't know. And that's what's awesome. The scariest
part of that ties into that too, is I'm still
hung up on the whole uploading of our consciousness and
what we will be if in a thousand years, for
us to be able to do those things, will we
still be human? You know? And you know that's what's
it mean to be human? You know? I think it's
the big question. And and for us to be able

(01:12:09):
to explore the cosmos to go out to survive, we're
gonna have to make a lot of changes, you know, internally,
externally physically, and what that does to us is a
big question mark to me. Wow. Well, gentlemen, thank you
so much for coming on the show, Thank you for
having us. Well, last uh, just why don't you tell

(01:12:30):
everybody a little bit more about Hystery fifty one where
they can find you, what they should be listening to
and everything, So if you haven't listened Tohystery fifty one.
We talk about a lot of stuff like this, like
conspiracy theories, UFOs, the unexplained, the unexplored. UM. We do
it a little bit differently in that our third host
is not knull that'd be weird. Our third host is

(01:12:52):
an angry robot who you see here in the corner
named conspiracy Bot, and Brent built him in his lab
to help edit and douced the show. Instead, he just
get drunks, he just pardon me. Instead, he just gets
drunk and threatens to take over the world. Though he's
kind of run by like a four eight six computer,
so it's not a big threat. Uh, he's not an

(01:13:13):
existential threat. Um. But yeah, and you can find us
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(01:13:35):
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Here's where it gets crazy. Just again, anything you want
to talk about on this show, You've got a question

(01:13:56):
for these guys, let's just all have a discussion. Let's
talk about the future. Let's talk about how none of
it's going to be good. In my opinion, it's such
a doubters like what's the future? Oh God, as Matt
shakes his fist at the sky, and the inevitable slow
grind of what we recognize today as time. We reached

(01:14:16):
the end of our episode, but not the end of
our show. Tune into our next episode, which, without laying
any spoilers because we're not quite sure which one we're
gonna do yet, is going to be very very very
very strange, good angel farts, trumpets, nice like slow jazz, numbers, whatever.

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But in the meantime, we'd like to hear from you.
You are indeed our favorite part of the show. No offense, John,
No offense, Brent. Uh. You might be one of those
people who says, guys, you did an episode on Facebook.
I believe you. I don't want to use social media.
Can't I just call you? Yes? You can. We are
one eight three three st d w y t K.

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That's s t d w y t K and it
also has numbers associated with it. It's an it's an
Instagram for stuff, but Matt. What if people say I
hate social media and using the phone, Well, I wish
I could just write an email. Good thing is there
in luck? Exactly? Take a pigeon on that pigeon. Make
sure you've got a piece of paper that has sufficient

(01:15:26):
you know, message on there wrapping around that pigeon's leg.
Now you're gonna want to he's that so it doesn't
come off right, You send the pigeon off. Hopefully it
knows where it's going, preferably south, and it'll get to us.
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