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November 11, 2025 15 mins

There are new reports  that Wendy Williams, allegedly... does not have dementia! So is there hope for the conservatorship to be removed?

Also, Salt N Pepa accept the influence award at the Rock N Roll Hall of Fame and use this moment to highlight their struggle to wrestle their masters from the industry that has refused to play fair. Some people have discovered that you can still play certain songs that are allegedly being blocked by Universal Music Group.. Loren speaks to 

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Speaker 1 (00:02):
George.

Speaker 2 (00:02):
I'm a homegirl that knows a little bit about everything
and everybody.

Speaker 1 (00:06):
You don't know if you don't lie about that, right,
Lauren can't even Hey, y'all, what's up.

Speaker 2 (00:10):
It's Lauren the Rosa and this is the latest with
Lauren the Rosa. This is your Deli dig on all
things pop culture, entertiment, news, and all of the conversations
that shake the room.

Speaker 1 (00:20):
Baby.

Speaker 2 (00:21):
Now, on today's episode, we have Dun Dunda Dunn. Could
y'all be loving to Wendy Williams updates? We have a
Wendy Williams update. It's not an exclusive, but you guys
know where there is a story I will find an
angle in exclusively.

Speaker 1 (00:37):
So this story actually comes from TMZ.

Speaker 2 (00:41):
TMZ just broke a story that Wendy Williams has tested
uh with neurologists who say that she does not have
the frontal temporal dementia that has been the reason why
she has had to stay in this guardianship that she
says has her locked up in a luxury prison, which
is you know what she calls the facility where she lives,

(01:03):
where you know she's not able to you know, go
downstairs by on her own she doesn't have a phone
to call out.

Speaker 1 (01:09):
You know, she doesn't live a normal life.

Speaker 2 (01:12):
Now, Wendy has always said, even in talking to me
earlier on about these things, that one of the things
that bothers her the most is that, you know, knowingly,
when all of this conservativeship conversation started, she knew she
needed some help. She knew she needed help management the money,
figuring out certain things. You know, there was addiction she
was battling, but this was not the situation she wanted

(01:35):
to end up in, and at this point she stuck.
So the significance of this testing is, I mean, it's everything.
It's it's huge if a judge looks at this the
right way, and we're going to get into it. So,
according to reports, Wendy Wims underwent a ton of tests
in New York City recently with neurologists to check out

(01:59):
her brain, the functioning, the you know, her cognitive thinking
and decision making and all of the things. Right after
she completed these tests that neurologists last month, then gave
the test to her legal team. Her legal team took
look at the tests and they're like, okay, now we're
going to use these to submit these to the judge,

(02:20):
and we're going to use these to ask the judge
to release her from the Conservativeship. Now, these tests don't
just come out of the blue. People have been trying
to figure out what's going on with Windy Williams. We've
seen her, you know, run around. I know, I saw
her in the New Yorker magazine and she was out
at fashion Week, and she's been doing dinners and you
know all the things.

Speaker 1 (02:38):
She's had a bit more of a social life.

Speaker 2 (02:41):
But we kind of lost track on what the conversation
was around her health and her conservatorship because we haven't
been getting regular updates from her, to be honest with you,
but a while back, Joe Takapina told you know, me
as her personal attorney, that their plan was to do
their own personal testing. Now, this came around the time

(03:03):
her conservatives Sabrina back in February, had requested new medical
testing because Wendy Williams, you know, was claiming she's in
this conservativeship, decisions are being made for her. This lawsuit
is happening, and she doesn't want it to happen, so
they put a pause on everything. They put a pause
on when I say this lawsuit. They put a pause
on the A and the A and E lawsuit with

(03:24):
lifetime for the whereas Wendy Williams doc and a ton
of things. They said, there's a lot happening. Her family
went oute of this conservativeship. If she's able to make
the decision, we don't want to do anything as conservators
that will go against what she would want.

Speaker 1 (03:39):
To actually do.

Speaker 2 (03:41):
So the Conservatives said, hold on, wait a minute, let's
get some additional testing done.

Speaker 1 (03:45):
That was back in February twenty twenty five.

Speaker 2 (03:47):
The testing came back according to the conservator, and I
remember Wendy Williams. You know, Attorney Joe Tecapino was pissed
when I called him and I saw those test results,
and he was upset because he said that when these
hippolaws have been violated, test results should not.

Speaker 1 (04:03):
Have been leaked to any media, to any press.

Speaker 2 (04:06):
But those test results stated that according to the testing
that Wendy's conservator had requested, Wendy Williams tested positive for
the frontal temporal dementia. During that time, Joe Tacopina said
that they were going to and he's always actually been
saying this, but he tripled down on it during that
time when I spoke to him saying that they were
going to get their own independent testing done because they

(04:29):
wanted to rely on doctors that they felt like they
could trust, but also just doctors that would be more neutral.
They didn't want anyone appointed by the judge. Here we
have it now, the testing is done. Now the plan
is for the testing to go to the judge, as
I mentioned, And once the testing goes to the judge,
what Joe Tacopina is like praying happens is that the
judge is like, Okay, we see the testing, We're going

(04:52):
to release her. But if that does not happen, Joe
Techapina says that he plans to request a trial by
jury and allow because he wants to allow drurors to
be able to see Wendy, hear the back and forth
from both sides, and be able to make a decision.
Now here's my thing, And again, I haven't this story
like you guys are literally in the latest just Broke

(05:13):
momentary moments ago, so I'll be doing a follow up.
Here are the latest with Lauren the roads of the
podcast for all my low riders, and of course on
the Breakfast club because I plan to call you a tecopina.
I plan to call Sabrina Morrissey, who is Wendy Williams
guardian her attorneys as well, and have a conversation about
what will happen next, because what I'm predicting is that

(05:34):
a judge is going to look at both test results
and kind of be stuck because you have one neurologist
and you know, hospital, saying one thing indefinitely, and then
you have a team of other neurologists saying another thing indefinitely.
Where does that leave us? Where does the judge go
from here? In that instance? So I'll come back with
some answers for you guys. Of course, y'all know, Okay,

(05:56):
I'm gonna come back with the answers for you guys.

Speaker 3 (05:58):
You know.

Speaker 2 (05:59):
But this is it's a bit of an update. I
think that this gives Wendy Williams team some hope. I
don't know though, just as a person who's been following
this and reporting this if in reading this.

Speaker 1 (06:10):
I got much hope.

Speaker 2 (06:11):
And the reason why I say that is because again,
you have very sound, prestigious doctors on both sides saying
two very different things. I think worst case scenario that
trial by jury would honestly be a better bet because
I'm assuming at that point there will be experts that
take the sand. The jury themselves will get to see

(06:33):
and hear from Wendy over of course the time, and
be able to make a decision themselves. Now in other news,
so the Rock and Roll Hall of Fame went down
last weekend in LA at the Peacock Theater and two

(06:54):
groups legendary groups a shoutout that got inducted in the
Rock and Roll Hall of Fame twenty twenty five, Salt
and Peppa and Outcasts. Now Salt and Peppa once because
both groups once they were inducted, and you had people
who brought them out or who opened up their induction piece.
So for Salt n Peppa, Missy Elliott came on and
she spoke a bit about just their influence and impact.

Speaker 4 (07:16):
Let's take a listen, Salt, Peppa, Spenderella, y'all are one
of the greatest teachers in hip hop. I think y'all
for teaching me that life is all about expression. You
only live once and you're not coming back.

Speaker 1 (07:37):
So expressed yourself, Yale.

Speaker 2 (07:40):
And then Salt and Peppa and DJ Spinderella came out,
they also spoke. There were performances as well which they
participated in. Herbie Lovebuck, who is you know, their famed
manager and you Know all the things, was also there
with them as well too. But SAWT spoke and spoke
out again against Universal Music Group, who they are currently
in a very high stake legal battle against trying to

(08:02):
own the rights to their music.

Speaker 1 (08:04):
Let's say listen, when.

Speaker 3 (08:05):
We came up, the industry was different. We didn't have streaming,
we didn't have social media. We had cassette tapes, turntables
and dreams. But even back then, we had to fight
to be heard and to prove our worth. We're in
a fight right now for our masters that rightfully belonged
to us after forty years. As we celebrate this moment,

(08:31):
fans can't even stream our music. It's been taken down
from all streaming platforms because the industry still doesn't want
to play fair.

Speaker 1 (08:42):
Thank you.

Speaker 3 (08:43):
Salt and Peppa have never been afraid of a fight.
This is the Influence Award. We have to keep using
our influence until the industry honors creativity the way the
audience does with love, respect and fairness.

Speaker 2 (09:00):
Issue here that you know Salt and Pepper are claiming,
is that there's a law that basically says, after a
certain amount of years, you can go back and request
to own the right to certain, you know, works that
you've done. And they've done and completed everything they're supposed
to do and went back to do that, and the
record label was telling them no. Now, during her speech,
you guys heard her say that there's still music not

(09:21):
available across streaming platforms, because that is what was happening
in the early stages of the lawsuit.

Speaker 1 (09:28):
Still it's happening.

Speaker 2 (09:30):
But when I did this story on the Breakfast Club
and naturally even online when this speech aired, people have questions.
There are a lot of people who were asking, hey,
we can listen to these songs, So does that mean
the lawsuit is over? So I reached out to Salt
of Salt and Pepper, and her attorney sent a statement

(09:51):
clarifying that these songs are not still available in a
way that would allow Salt and Pepper and Spinderella to
be benefiting off of this music.

Speaker 1 (10:00):
So the attorney.

Speaker 2 (10:01):
Statement says, our first three official albums, Hot Cool and
Vicious Assault with the Deadly Pepper and Black's magic, and
the master recordings contained on them were pulled off streaming
in social media in the US, as those are the
master recordings that reverted she's talking about that would have
reverted back to them after I believe it's a thirty
five year mark. Then they continue the albums very necessary

(10:25):
and brand new, and the masters embodied on the albums
are still available because they don't qualify for termination rights
yet based off of copyright law, and she quotes a
law from like nineteen sixty seven, which is that law
that I mentioned that after thirty five years of the
release of the applical album Slash Masters, certain things revert
back to the artists. She says, it's all about when

(10:47):
the recording was released, So any remaster recordings from the
first three albums that were released later weren't necessarily pulled
down as they aren't subject to termination rights yet, but.

Speaker 1 (10:57):
They will all be soon.

Speaker 2 (10:59):
So there is certain music that you can go on
and listen, and according to Salt and their attorney, it's
because they're not up for termination rights, which means that
it would be terminated from. According to Salt and her attorney,
it'd be terminated from whichever contract and then reverted back
to the artists. But they're claiming, and they're a legend
that the minute that they do hit that timeline, we're

(11:20):
going to see a label allegedly pull them from streaming platforms.

Speaker 1 (11:25):
Then it continues regardless.

Speaker 2 (11:27):
Universal Music Group is not even licensing or promoting any
of our music, even songs from very necessary and brand
new that aren't yet up for revision. And what I
also realized too, because when I said it in a
room on the Breakfast Club, I didn't even say I'm sorry.
I mus Salt said it in her speech instantly in
the room on the Breakfast Club. And again this is
also to what I saw people go to do on
social People went to go try and find the music.

(11:50):
And you are able to listen to certain songs like
I know, certain songs like Shoop or let's talk about Sex.
You can listen to those songs, but they're either on
mixes that don't come from the original albums, or they're
all like best of They're all like best of projects

(12:12):
which were put together and again don't come from the
original albums, which is what she's basically trying to say.

Speaker 1 (12:16):
So wanted to clear that up there a little bit
for people.

Speaker 2 (12:18):
I hope that cleared that up for you guys a
bit right from the words of Salt of Salt and Peppa,
because basically, this battle is still very real and very
prevalent for them. It is at the front of their
focus from what I've been told. And another thing that
was mentioned to me in this conversation as well was
just like, you know, people quickly instantly say, why didn't
they read their contract? And what they're fighting for is

(12:42):
not a fix because they didn't read their contract. They're fighting,
according to Salt and Pepper, Salt Peppa, they're fighting for
what their contract said. They're alleging that the contract tells
some things revert at a certain time. Universal Music Group
is alleging that that is not true, and that Versus
Music Group, however, is countering their claims. So there, you know,

(13:04):
there's this whole back and forth, and I think it's
so unfortunate you get to a point in your career
if you're a Salt and Pepper where your music has
influenced so many different so many different generations, so many
different people. You're being honored at the you know, rock
and Roll Hall of Fame amongst greats and rightfully, so
you use it as a moment to call out what

(13:26):
you believe is the injustice that is, you know, allegedly
happening to you and your bandmates, to your groupmates. But
how unfortunate is that I saw reports about various outcasts
music and you know, songs and albums, the streams skyrocketing
because of the Rock and Roll Hall of Fame you

(13:46):
know ceremony, and the amount of people that were watching
that ceremony that then went to go listen to the
music and certain things you're not able to do when
it comes to salt and pepperda is so unfortunate. Hate
to see. I hope they figured that out. I really
hope they figure that out. I hope that whatever and
justice you know, that they believe has been done to
them is right, is written right in the book of

(14:07):
all things, you know, music, because they deserve it. They've
worked hard, they've carved a and they've been through a
lot to get here as well. They deserve to be
able to sit back, make money off of the art
that they've created and just enjoy being legends and icons
and not having I hate to see. I'm gonna say,

(14:28):
our elders and It's not an age thing. It's more
of like a you know, the iconic. I hate to
see iconic people are icons out here having a fight
for what is theirs or just struggle in life at all.
After you work so hard and literally the backs of
certain industries are on your work. I just think that
it should be like, yeah, you're coming home, for you

(14:51):
to be able to just sit back, kick your feet
up and enjoy, you know, so wishing that though you know,
those ladies saw and people, that they get to.

Speaker 1 (14:57):
That point and that this is settled. That is folks.

Speaker 2 (15:01):
Again, you guys could be anywhere with anybody listening or
talking about all the things, but you guys choose to
be right here with me, my lowriders.

Speaker 1 (15:09):
I appreciate you, guys. I don't catch you in my
next episode. This Laurna Rosa and this is the latest

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