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March 26, 2024 26 mins

Listen to ASCO’s Journal of Clinical Oncology essay, “Knuckleheads” by Dr. Timothy Gilligan, Vice Chair for Education at the Cleveland Clinic Taussig Cancer Institute. The essay is followed by an interview with Gilligan and host Dr. Lidia Schapira. Gilligan emphasizes the importance of partnering with his patients to understand what they are going through and their reason for rejecting recommended treatment.

 

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Narrator: Knuckleheads by Tmothy D. Gilligan, MD, FASCO (10.1200/JCO.24.00160)

I was in tumor board when I first heard about him. One of my former colleagues referred to patients like this as knuckleheads, patients who were interfering with our plan to treat their cancer. He needed chemotherapy. He kept refusing. He was going to be referred to me so that I could talk some sense into him.

Preparing to go into the examination room, I realized I was getting ready to use my medical knowledge to try to make him consent to chemotherapy. After all, that is what he needed. If only he would listen to me. I paused and remembered what my mentors had taught me about forming effective relationships with patients and about the communication skills that could engender trust and a feeling of connection. I remembered one of them saying to me “Every time I open my mouth, I risk making things worse.” So I committed to listening and curiosity and humility and entered the room. He had a curable cancer. There was so much at stake.

“What have the other doctors been telling you about what’s going on?” I asked. He said he had been told that his cancer had come back and that he needed chemotherapy now. That additional surgery wasn’t an option.

“I heard that you had some concerns about chemotherapy,” I said.

“Yes, I want to delay it until the fall,” he said.

“Tell me about that,” I responded.

So I got to hear his story. He wa

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