November 7, 2025 • 36 mins
Are you tired of those bottles collecting dust in your liquor cabinet? Join podcast hosts Tony Katz and Fingers Malloy as they embark on a journey of discovery, cleaning out their collections and sampling forgotten treasures. In this engaging episode, they dive into Old 55 Distillery's Wabash Cannonball American Whiskey, explore the current state of the bourbon industry, and discuss major shifts happening in media.
The hosts take you through a detailed tasting of the mysterious Wabash Cannonball, describing its light color, orchard-like nose, and fruit-forward profile. Despite having minimal information about this whiskey, they provide an honest assessment of its qualities and value proposition. The conversation naturally flows into broader industry concerns as they examine recent news about potential Four Roses sales and Uncle Nearest's bankruptcy filing - signs of a bourbon market correction after years of explosive growth.
Key Takeaways:
Introduction to Old 55 Distillery and the mysterious Wabash Cannonball American Whiskey
Detailed tasting notes: light color, orchard fruit notes, subtle vanilla/honey
Discussion of Four Roses potential sale and what it means for the industry
Analysis of Uncle Nearest bankruptcy filing and broader bourbon market concerns
Tasting with water added - how it changes the profile
Foo Fighters stadium tour announcement
Major changes at CBS News including Gayle King's departure
Whether you're a bourbon enthusiast curious about hidden gems or someone interested in how major industries navigate challenging times, this episode delivers valuable insights with humor and authenticity. Pour yourself something nice and join the conversation - you might just discover your next favorite whiskey or gain perspective on the shifting media landscape!
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Speaker 1 (00:01):
Fingers, I told you that I cleaned out the human art. Yes,
you did, cleaning out the closets. Clean out your closet too,
getting rid of the things that have been in the
human or have been in the liquor cabinet.
Speaker 2 (00:13):
We've all been there. You're like, I have not had
this yet.
Speaker 1 (00:16):
It has been years or it has been months, and
I just avoid it and I move on to something else,
and I just side in my head and there's something
wrong with it, but I yet don't have the mental
discipline to get rid of it.
Speaker 2 (00:27):
It's like me with my roller blades. It is God,
I was gonna say that, Sam, you read my mind.
I've got powers. Seat drinks smoke.
Speaker 1 (00:39):
I'm Tony Kats And that is America's favorite amateur drinker,
Fingers molloy. There is a group called Old fifty five.
Old fifty five Distillery. They're good people. Jason Fruits, that
whole team, they're really absolutely excellent, and they do some beautiful, beautiful,
beautiful bourbons. They're the single barrels. They do a sweet
corn bourbon and then they do this the Wabash cannonball. Now,
(01:05):
I must admit the level I know about the Wabash
Cannonball is zero because this is not a bourbon. This
is an American whiskey. All bourbons are whiskeys, but not
all whiskies are bourbons. The Wabash cannibal our cannonball, thank
you very Much, is named after a song, Oh the
good people at Crowned Heads who we love and adore
(01:27):
had a cigar, the Wabash cannonball. So this is named
after a song, a country music song that's out there.
I think it goes back to like nineteen oh three
is what doesn't say? It's had like a host of
other names. So that's the name of this Old fifty five.
(01:48):
It's the Wabash Wabash Cannonball. The Wabash River is a
river in Indiana. The problem is I started looking for
information about this. What could I learn about this this whiskey,
and I found zero? Nothing on the Old fifty five
(02:08):
Distillery dot com website, nothing in form of a review.
Speaker 2 (02:13):
Zero.
Speaker 1 (02:14):
I don't know where I got it. I don't know
how long I've had it. I do know it was
never opened until we opened it right.
Speaker 2 (02:21):
Now, fingers maloy, So what say you? Let's go for it?
So this would be like eight years old. Right?
Speaker 1 (02:29):
For all we know as far, I have no idea
when this came out, no clue in the slightest. What
I do know is that is a very light color.
That is a very that is like water down apple juice.
I was gonna say, light beer, right, light beer. That
nicely done, well played right there, and I'm going to
say no viscosity, very very non thick. And as for
(02:53):
the nose, that's a that's a fair amount of ethanol. Children, Wow,
that's a that's a fair amount of Hey, how would
you like to how'd you like to be noticed?
Speaker 2 (03:09):
Huh? Are you getting orchard too? There is definitely a
fruit going on for sure. Now. I was like, I
don't want to say green apple, but it you are
on fire today. The orchard's really good. The green apple
I don't know about. Wow.
Speaker 1 (03:28):
And yeah, there's ethanol there. The athanol is a presence?
Is that old orchard?
Speaker 2 (03:33):
Is right? I don't.
Speaker 1 (03:34):
I don't am nowhere near oak on this from all
fifteen when you have to say is that oak? Yeah,
it's probably not oak. It's probably like.
Speaker 2 (03:43):
An oak veneer. Wow. Right, that's like saying is that oak?
Speaker 1 (03:48):
And then you realize you're in ikea, it doesn't.
Speaker 2 (03:53):
It's not oak, but honestly, the athanol is really there.
But it is. Orchard's really good.
Speaker 1 (03:59):
There's a fruit and as it stays in the in
the nose, it gets a little thicker, gets a little richer.
It's interesting, Fingers Moy, I have no idea. All I
know it's forty percent alcohol by volume for eighty proofs
and no applause from fingers mo oy. It doesn't plug
for anything that isn't at least one hundred proof.
Speaker 2 (04:15):
But uh you uh you ready for this. It's been
ready for this all day.
Speaker 1 (04:19):
Fingers Moy is doing what's known as the Kentucky chew
right there on the old fifty five Wabash cannonball American whiskey,
moving the juice around the palate, getting a feel for it.
I like the two SIPs method, the first zip to
set the taste buds and the second sip to really
get an idea of where those flavors are. Fingers is
going back in, ladies and gentlemen, This is a first.
(04:40):
He's going back in for a second sip. Wait this
just in that's.
Speaker 2 (04:43):
Not a first. He does that very often? Why Why though? Okay,
all right, I don't know what's going on here. Why
I have it's that orchard is there, almost like an apple.
(05:04):
It's still there. It's still there. To me, there's an oak.
There is a hint. And I'm going back and forth.
And I shouldn't be going back and forth over these two,
but I am a hint of either vanilla or honey.
It's so it's it's it's not pronounced. It's not something
(05:25):
that punches you in the face. It's it's a hint.
There is very little sting, a little uh sting on
the tongue, very little warmth in the chest. And yeah,
I think that's all I got. Wait, it's not vanilla
and honey. It's vanilla or honey. It must be both.
(05:45):
I'm going back and forth on it. It's probably both, but
it's so subtle, Tony, there's there's nothing about this for
me other than that orchard at the beginning that hits
me and that oak at the end. And so that's
that's what I'm going with. We'll go with a little orchard,
little honey, little vanilla.
Speaker 1 (06:05):
And I'm going in the old fifty five Wabash cannonball
American whiskey.
Speaker 2 (06:10):
He's going in ladies and gentlemen, and he is doing
what we like to call sagonna swish, the Memphis munch,
the wah bash wah wah.
Speaker 1 (06:23):
First, let me say that the ethanol is not what
you're gonna get when you drink it.
Speaker 2 (06:31):
It's warm, but.
Speaker 1 (06:33):
It's not spicy. The fruit is absolutely there. That's uh huh.
That's juicy fruit. That is juicy fruit that lays on
the tongue. That's what that flavor is.
Speaker 2 (06:50):
Right, This is very very you said green apple. I
think green apple is a kind.
Speaker 1 (06:55):
Of a unique kind of way to view things. I'm
going more just in a generalized apple, but it is
that orchard esk juicy fruit kind of thing that's laying down.
I actually think this would be solid on a cube.
I mean, wait, don't be wrong, it could get totally
washed out.
Speaker 2 (07:13):
On a cube. By the way.
Speaker 1 (07:13):
To finish, heat in the cheek, nothing in the throat, nothing,
zero in the chest. Zero maybe the slightest hint of something.
Because I brought it up, I incepted myself it's in
the cheek, so I wanted to, you know, look up
may be the most subtlest of chocolates.
Speaker 2 (07:30):
That's interesting. I wanted to look up the flavor for
a profile juicy fruit, just to refresh my memory because
it's been a long time. A blend of bananas, pineapple,
and other tropical fruits like lemon, orange, and peach. Yeah,
it's nothing like juicy fruit. That's what it reminded me of.
That's it's interesting. It is.
Speaker 1 (07:54):
Its problem is how is it's it's it's This is
gonna sound dumb. It's a little one dimensional, it's a
little thin. Again, it's not bourbon, so Lord only knows
the amount of time it's been in a barrel or
anything else. So there's a level of complexity that I
(08:16):
don't know why it's.
Speaker 2 (08:18):
It shouldn't be there, should it not? Don't have the answer.
The old fifty five, I do like Old fifty five.
I like those guys quite a bit. This is the
Wabash cannonball.
Speaker 1 (08:28):
If you find it, try it. By the way, I
don't even know how much it costs a bottle. I
don't know where I found it. We're just cleaning out
the liquor cabinet and we decided let's drink it. We
informed everybody that things are tough in the bourbon world,
but sometimes things are happening that have nothing to do
with what's making things tough in the bourbon world.
Speaker 2 (08:50):
Seat drink smoke.
Speaker 1 (08:51):
I'm Tony Kats That right there is America's favorite amateur drinker,
Fingers molloy. You may have heard the story that Karen
is considering a sale of four roses selling the brand
the I mean four freaking roses for a billion dollars.
Now you say, oh, my gosh, a billion dollars, I say,
(09:13):
I think that would have been well over a billion
just five years ago.
Speaker 2 (09:17):
It's four roses. I mean, the.
Speaker 1 (09:19):
Small Batch Select is still in my top five. I
love the small Batch Select.
Speaker 2 (09:24):
It's an incredible thing to think that they would unload it.
Speaker 1 (09:27):
But sometimes a conversation like that, while they're going to
get less now than they would have I say, five
years ago, a conversation like that is because Kieran has
its own issues. Kieran sees things going in a different direction.
Businesses of that size, of that magnitude, Fingers, they make
moves all the time based on needs.
Speaker 2 (09:47):
That we don't quite understand and we don't quite know. Yeah,
it's just we're documenting this over the course of the
last few years. It's it's amazing, you know, the struggles
that the bourbon industry has gone through between supply chain
issues in COVID and oh my gosh, is there gonna
be a shortage of barrels because business is so red
hot to now all of a sudden, you're seeing distilleries
(10:10):
filing for bankruptcy, closing up shop in just a blink
of an eye, and you wonder if we've reached the
floor yet or if it's going to go even lower
for the bourbon industry.
Speaker 1 (10:22):
So that's one story, and people could say, ooh, there's
something up with bourbon. Not necessarily we don't know yet,
we don't have enough data yet to tell us. Then
we have the story of Uncle Nearest. So the brand
Uncle Nearest and Uncle nearst is a really interesting story
because the brand is based on the slave that taught
Jack Daniels how to be a distiller. Now, to the
(10:45):
extent that the story is true or not true or
anything else, I'll let others play in that game. And
Nearest became Jack daniels first master distiller. Right, that's the
story and everything else I'm just saying, I don't know
how much is one hundred percent perfectly accurate. They faced
Chapter eleven bankruptcy and that means a forced asset.
Speaker 2 (11:10):
Sale as well.
Speaker 1 (11:12):
You could argue, man, this says a lot about what's
going on in Bourbon. This is one of those moments, Fingers,
where the things we say have to be very very
clear and very very general because it could get you
very very sued in a very very court of law.
Go on, you understand what I'm saying, Yes, as long
as we all understand what we're saying. There's a lot
(11:34):
of stories about whether or not Uncle Nearest was run properly,
and we have all seen businesses that have been mismanaged.
Speaker 2 (11:42):
I cannot prove.
Speaker 1 (11:44):
By any stretch that there was any mismanagement, and I
am not making that accusation.
Speaker 2 (11:49):
I don't know.
Speaker 1 (11:50):
I don't have any inside knowledge. What I do know
is that they are selling off non core assets.
Speaker 2 (11:57):
The story from the street at dot com. It includes French.
Speaker 1 (12:00):
Vineyards, a Cognact chateau and other real estate to try
and get things stabilized.
Speaker 2 (12:06):
So let's go back into why does Uncle.
Speaker 1 (12:10):
Nears own a French vineyard, a Cognact chateau and what
other real estate. One could argue it's because they were
going to build the brand out and they built too fast.
They ran the before they knew how to walk, and
they didn't have the financial leverage in the bourbon industry. Whoop,
the bottom fell out and they're like, oh crap, we
can't make this debt payment. I can't imagine what the
(12:30):
debt structure is on the thing. It could be something else, fingers.
So here's two really interesting stories that may have nothing
to do with where bourbon is, except we know where
bourbon is and it's not in a great spot.
Speaker 2 (12:47):
It's crazy these two stories are up. It is, but
it does a lend for us to have a topic
that we can widely speculate. Ladies and gentlemen's time for
eat drink smokes wild speculation. So here's his first speculaton. No,
I'm not going to do any of that because I
don't want to get sued. No, but you do bring
up a good point, because let's just let's talk about
(13:13):
another bourbon company that doesn't exist, Billy's Bourbon Company. Say
it had a long history, the name was synonymous with
with whiskey and bourbon, and then all of a sudden
it's facing financial troubles and it may have been mismanaged,
you may be able to get way away with some
of that in a world where Bourbon is hot.
Speaker 1 (13:37):
Yes, that is so beyond accurate. And I have had
a couple of people engage that conversation with me that
if all was good in Bourbon and people are still
buying it flying off the shelves, it's possible some of
the issues would never be seen, or the issues could
be seen as oooh, all.
Speaker 2 (13:56):
Right, but the sales are good. We'll work our way
out of this.
Speaker 1 (13:59):
What is good, what is possible in a good cycle,
and what happens in a bad cycle, and how you
prepare for those things.
Speaker 2 (14:07):
That is a thousand percent accurate as an observation, fingers.
And it's not a fair comparison because we're talking apples
and oranges. But you look at other industries, other companies
that take Amazon for example, that's raking in you know,
record profits, they're also looking to cut jobs, cut fat.
If you're being mismanaged, especially in a time of red
(14:29):
hot sales in your industry, where you should be trimming
some of the fat, if you know it's there, you
may not be able to survive if the business goes
in the tank.
Speaker 1 (14:43):
So I was doing a little more investigation, and so
they reported in twenty twenty two, I want to see.
Speaker 2 (14:50):
I wonder what other numbers are out there in ten years.
Speaker 1 (14:55):
By the way they went from taking this couple went
from taking over the brand to opening their own distillery
in Shelbyville, Tennessee, Tennessee, and in twenty twenty two reported
one hundred million dollars in whiskey sales. Now sales is nonprofit,
get me wrong, but one hundred million dollars. And now,
(15:15):
according to a couple of reports, they're fighting the receivership.
Speaker 2 (15:18):
They're saying no, no, no, no, no, We've got this.
Speaker 1 (15:21):
They've taken a two and a half million dollar loans
to pay off some immediate debts and take care.
Speaker 2 (15:25):
Of some employees. They've laid off twelve people over there.
So it is a.
Speaker 1 (15:33):
Still a developing story, and we may find out more
as more data comes out. Now, if you start hearing
about investigations, which I am not alleging in any way,
shape or form, that'll be something else.
Speaker 2 (15:48):
Too that adds on to this.
Speaker 1 (15:51):
But we said, gosh, it might have been just last week,
and we certainly said it the week before. Get ready,
you're gonna see people go under. You know, we knew
that bourbon cells were down, but for us, the Canary
and the coal Mine was Jack Daniels giving up their Cooperridge.
When Jack said, we're no longer gonna make our own barrels,
(16:13):
We'll just buy them on the market. When just two
years before you couldn't find a barrel, You couldn't find
a barrel. That was the Oh okay, things are different now,
things are really really different, And smaller makers are gonna
have a harder time if they're having a harder time
get it staying on the shelves and don't have the
marketing budget, and mismanaged companies are gonna get to your point,
(16:37):
fingers are gonna get totally exposed.
Speaker 2 (16:39):
So let's say the worst happens, and we're talking total liquidation,
business shuts down. Somebody's buying that name, right, I would assume.
Speaker 1 (16:47):
So now I say that with a caveat what if
there's no need.
Speaker 2 (16:56):
You would assume the name.
Speaker 1 (16:58):
Means something, and the name has value just for its history,
and someone might buy the name just to keep somebody
else from having the name. That's interesting, but it doesn't
mean that they'll do the bourbon because they may have
their own bourbons to do in their own place on
the shelf, and they don't need They want to build
more of.
Speaker 2 (17:13):
This juice that they have time, will time, Eat.
Speaker 1 (17:21):
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Speaker 2 (17:38):
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(17:59):
with the Asylum.
Speaker 1 (18:00):
Eight six seven zero and it is a flavored cigar
from cle and the cla people are fantastic, but neither
one of us can finish the flavored cigar. It's just
we were cleaning out the closets. That's how the whole
day as we goun what has been stuck in the
human or what has been stuck in the liquor cabinet
that we have had. I've had for forever, and I
(18:21):
don't even know how I got them. And it's time
either smoke them, drink them, or throw them away? What
are we doing here?
Speaker 2 (18:26):
Or dift it?
Speaker 1 (18:27):
My gosh, but it's just sitting there. So I decided
to pull him out.
Speaker 2 (18:31):
So we had the zero there, the asylum zero. It's
it's not just not.
Speaker 1 (18:37):
Where we live and breathe in flavored cigars eleven dollars
a stick and might be your cup of tea, but
just was not not where we played. And then this
from Old fifty five, which is a distillery out of Indiana,
Old fifty five five to five Old five five Distillery
dot com. Jason Fruits, great guy, great team over there.
This was their Wabash Cannonball. Now, Wabash Cannonball.
Speaker 2 (19:01):
Is a song.
Speaker 1 (19:01):
It's a country song from like the early nineteen hundred's.
The guys over a crowned heads have a cigar, the
Wabash cannonball, and they've got this. This is a whiskey.
This is an American whiskey right here. A lot of
orchard was in this. And I had said juicy fruit,
and then Fingers said, it doesn't sound like juicy fruit,
because I'm a juicy fruit expert and I got I
have a certificate from the online School of Juicy Fruit University,
(19:25):
and that does not sound like juicy fruit.
Speaker 2 (19:27):
So we might be right. But it is.
Speaker 1 (19:31):
Definitely ethanol on the nose, definitely fruit on the nose,
and I think orchard fingers right call there and that's
what there was little thin is how I described it.
What's and new fingers for me? I put a little
bit of cool water in it. And university of course
has a wonderful basketball team.
Speaker 2 (19:48):
Right they do. Having said that, I'm going to be
interested to see you've got it on a full rock there?
Speaker 1 (19:55):
Yeah, two actually very large chips. This isn't a rocks glass,
but it's what I have. It's like a it's like
one of those like Tumblr mini like rocks glass yetties.
Speaker 2 (20:04):
Your very wine mom, right now.
Speaker 1 (20:05):
I know, I know I want to walk around the
neighborhood complain about people's kids.
Speaker 2 (20:11):
That's what I'm gonna do. Get off that skateboard you're
on the sidewalk. I do not know how she lives
in that house. It is so small.
Speaker 1 (20:20):
I feel so bad for her and her husband not
a looker in the slightest that's.
Speaker 2 (20:26):
Your wine mom imitation. That is my That is my.
Speaker 1 (20:30):
All purpose imitation, which I can do unrelenting four hours.
Speaker 2 (20:35):
Just ask my wife, you want my wine mom imitation? Okay,
here it goes. My husband's such an idiot. There you go.
Thank you. I'll be here all week trying. It's pretty good.
That was pretty good. Hey, send your hate mail.
Speaker 1 (20:56):
If you don't mind, to Adam Carolla at yahoo dot com.
Speaker 2 (20:59):
And and we'll get it. We'll get right on that.
He'll just forward it over to us. So I've got
mine on a cube. You've got yours on a little
bit of water.
Speaker 1 (21:06):
Right, So this is forty forty alcohol by volume or
eighty proof. Water brings down proof, right, that's what it does.
It can open up your your bourbon or your whiskey,
some flavors more pronounced, some more muted.
Speaker 2 (21:19):
I'll go first. I'll go first. I'm on these. That's
how you know it's fresh. I think you need to
use that more often to prove to folks that you're
you at home, know, right in the eye. I just
flashed myself with it. Thank god you had your safety
goggles on. Oh my husband is such an idiot. Look
what he did.
Speaker 1 (21:40):
Maybe if you had bought the nice Rocks glasses, but no,
I look like a heathen.
Speaker 2 (21:46):
Oh you call that a Rocks glass, do you? I
guess you sound like caffagin. Here I go. He's going in,
ladies and gentlemen. What do you think?
Speaker 1 (22:02):
No?
Speaker 2 (22:03):
It washed? Oh going in once again? Neat drink. So
so you might be right, as this is a water drink,
but it's it's that fruit, really is there? Oddly enough?
A little heat picked up?
Speaker 1 (22:21):
As it's gonna sound weird because like I don't I
I don't know the mash bill on this.
Speaker 2 (22:26):
I don't even know the price. I don't know if
it's still offered.
Speaker 1 (22:29):
And I know the guys at all fifty five are
gonna listen to this and immediately be.
Speaker 2 (22:32):
Like, oh my gosh, you should have called it this
and this and this.
Speaker 1 (22:39):
It's it's it's not where my profile is in the slightest.
But like, depending on the price, I'd be very interested
in the price could tell me. I don't I don't
know if it stays in my liquor cabinet. But I
think it is in somebody's liquor cabinet because there is
this fruit thing, and there is this it's a non
(22:59):
cinnamon heat that's now happening that wasn't happening before.
Speaker 2 (23:02):
Dead center chest. You add a little bit of.
Speaker 1 (23:04):
Water, You go in there right there, fingers molloy, and
you give that a.
Speaker 2 (23:11):
Try with a little bit of water. The old fifty five.
For me, it brought out a little bit more that orchard.
There's a little oak at the end, you know where
it took away from. Noah, I said, there's it felt
like there's little bit of honey, little vanilla that kind
of got muted. It brought up more of an orchard
for me, and a little bit more I'm thinking oak.
(23:31):
Here's what I will say. If you found this at
your local liquor store and it was available, and it
was under forty dollars a bottle, I would grab it.
If you find it at your local lounge, they have it,
it's worth a poor You start talking about you know,
(23:52):
price point, you know, fifty sixty seventy dollars a bottle.
I don't think so, but I think it's it's well
worth a try, especially if you find it at your
faceavorite lounge. Yeah, I'm gonna say it a little differently.
Speaker 1 (24:02):
And again, these are guys I really like, and I
like a bunch of what they do. If you found
it under twenty five dollars a bottle, not forty, you
found it under twenty five dollars a bottle, I'd be.
Speaker 2 (24:15):
Like, yeah, sure, I'm accounting for inflation, Tony. Yeah I
did too, you know. And I could just be being
a harsh in that regard.
Speaker 1 (24:27):
It doesn't require that kind of of harshness to it.
Speaker 2 (24:32):
It did play nice that I thought it would, it
really did.
Speaker 1 (24:37):
I think that the nose is a bit confusing with
that that level of ethanol that was in there. And
and I'm just I'm I'm a fan of them. I
have a lot of respect for those guys, So I
don't want to be you know, too much, but like,
they've got some really good bottled and bond product and
(24:58):
other things, some single malt product that's very much worthwhile.
And I would absolutely be somebody who recommends the Old
fifty five brand for sure, Old fifty five Distillery dot com.
But it's time fingers Molly, my gosh, we wasted a
lot of time.
Speaker 2 (25:13):
We really should learn how to focus. We should have rehearsals.
Time for News of the week, Tony Foo Fighters announced
that they are going to have a limited stadium tour
in twenty twenty six. They're going to have dates in
Canada and the United States. Oh and it appears Mexico
City as well. You can see them in Detroit, Chicago, Cleveland.
(25:35):
But they're only doing about what twelve fifteen shows. But
it's the first tour that they've done since their drummer
passed away.
Speaker 1 (25:43):
Yeah, I think that people will still go, and I
think they'll still very much be able to hit the sound.
Speaker 2 (25:51):
I think that life of that Taylor Hawkins, the late.
Speaker 1 (25:54):
Drummer, is the kind of thing that still moves people,
and it moves them hard. If you don't know the story,
he was the drummer for Alanis Moore set and then
got the chance to be in the Food Fighters and.
Speaker 2 (26:09):
I took it.
Speaker 1 (26:10):
And you know, you listen to Dave Grohl discuss it,
He's like that was like the glue piece, Like that
was the Okay, I had somebody who understood the drive
like I do, and then everything else kind of fell
into place.
Speaker 2 (26:24):
I think it's still gonna be great shows. I think
people are gonna enjoy the daylights out of it. You've
seen food Fighters in yes, and I'm gonna see him
again next year. I already I already have my tickets
with time. You seen him, and I'm seeing him at
Ford Field and Detroit. Look at you, Look at you.
It's gonna be I haven't seen a stadium show we're
talking football stadium since Pink Floyd in nineteen ninety four,
(26:46):
so I'll be interested to see what it's like because
I've seen Food Fighters outdoors and that was a great show.
That's right. They played a local ampathy in her here. Yeah,
I should have gone fingers maloy. Were we or were
we not?
Speaker 1 (27:03):
Just moments ago on eat, drink smoke talking about.
Speaker 2 (27:07):
The changes at CBS. Uh, Yes we were, I think
bringing back everybody loves Raymond and were we or were
we not?
Speaker 1 (27:16):
Or when I say we, I mean me saying, oh,
people are losing their jobs. Okay, I can't get worked
up about it, and I can't necessarily feel bad about it.
Speaker 2 (27:26):
People lose their jobs sometimes and it's terrible.
Speaker 1 (27:28):
But if this idea that somehow, because you work in
a certain industry you are.
Speaker 2 (27:33):
Immune or it's more damaging and more awful. I find
to be nonsensical. I believe you said learn to code.
Now that's what they would say to me.
Speaker 1 (27:42):
Oh if I lost my job, and right now, I
would tell anybody learn AI because that's what's doing all
the coding.
Speaker 2 (27:51):
It's eat, drink, smoke. I'm Tony Katz.
Speaker 1 (27:54):
That right there is America's favorite amateur drinker, Fingers Maloy.
Speaker 2 (27:57):
Now you don't know Fingers the way I know Fingers.
When Fingers MOLOI wants to speak to you, and let's
see if I will shock him with this because he
doesn't know the story.
Speaker 1 (28:08):
When Fingers wants to speak to you and Fingers want
it to be you know, a private conversation will go
no seriously. Oprah Gail True, Oprah Gail and Oprah is
Oprah Winfrey and Gail is Gail King from CBS. Gail
King will be leaving CBS News broke, literally as we're
(28:31):
recording it broke. Barry Weis has taken over CBS. Large
scale changes are taking place. Barry Weiss was with The
New York Times, left the New York Times because The
New York Times wasn't interested in reporting in her view,
started something called the Free Press, became wildly popular, sold
to CBS, which is a group called sky Dance Now
(28:53):
that owns it one hundred and fifty million dollars, and
she took over as the executive editor of CBS News.
People are losing their minds, and you would think, well,
they're losing their minds because Barry Weiss is politically conservative
and CBS is politically liberal. No, no, no, Barry Weiss
is politically liberal. But she believes in actual news and
that's what has everybody in an uproar. Gail King expected
(29:14):
to depart. She's been hosting CBS Morning since twenty twelve,
will leave the show next year when her contract ends
in May. So was she told there will be no
contract extension or did she say I'm going out on
my own terms before I'm told there's no contract extension.
Speaker 2 (29:32):
Oh you know the answer to that question, I don't.
I'm fifty to fifty. Oh no, they're showing her the door.
And this is what I was going to ask you.
This to me feels like the grip that Oprah has
on media has has slowly slipped and has lessened to
(29:53):
the point where I don't think this could have happened five,
six years ago or ten excuse me, ten years ago.
Maybe not, because they would have been too scared to
take on Oprah. But now they don't have a problem
taking on Oprah. And I think the only thing that
they're doing with this is showing Oprah the respect of
letting a Gail say that, Oh you know what, I
think I'm gonna be leaving on my own terms. Here's
(30:14):
the kicker about this story. She's seventy. Stop it.
Speaker 1 (30:20):
Oh my gosh, God bless you, Gail King seventy That's amazing.
Speaker 2 (30:29):
Never would have guessed that in a million years. Never
would have guessed that. So what's gonna happen over there?
You know, you see these people being laid off, but
they're still gonna have these shows. We talked about the
CBS weekend morning show. They've got what on Sunday? They've
got Sunday Morning? Uh with a what is it?
Speaker 1 (30:52):
Charles Carralt, Wow, what show CBS Sunday Morning?
Speaker 2 (30:59):
That was CBS Morning with Johnny Knoxville. Ah, that is
I don't think Charles is with us anymore. But having
said that, Uh, they're still gonna have these shows, right,
or is it gonna shrink to the point where these
networks aren't going to have these big Sunday morning shows anymore?
And it's maybe I'll have the news shows like Meet
(31:21):
the Press and stuff like that, but the kind of
news magazine shows that you would see on a Sunday morning.
Are those gonna go by the wayside? And we'll see
repeats of everybody else?
Speaker 1 (31:31):
But I mean usually this is the conversation of his
Late Night gonna go by the wayside?
Speaker 2 (31:35):
And I argue, yes, it will.
Speaker 1 (31:38):
There's a ROI conversation involved, and unless you're gonna have
Late Night that is actually about entertainment and takes on
all sides properly, in skewing all sides properly and making
the joke as opposed to engaging in the ideological trafficking.
Speaker 2 (31:53):
Yes, it's gonna go. It's too costly, are there? So?
Speaker 1 (31:57):
Gail King was the Monday through Friday show? But are
those shows gonna go? And I put forth to you, no,
I think that there's a lot of ego and prestige wrapped.
Speaker 2 (32:09):
Up in them.
Speaker 1 (32:10):
It's like the sixty take sixty minutes. Would sixty minutes
go away? I don't think so. I think there's still
a great amount of Americans who rely on sixty minutes, who.
Speaker 2 (32:19):
See a value in it.
Speaker 1 (32:21):
And and I think that CBS, right, this is the nation.
This is the network that they called the Tiffany Network,
like this was, this is the Kreme de la creme.
This is started at all, if you will. I don't
think they would see themselves getting rid of of that program.
There's no need to. It still can generate news utilized
(32:43):
by the news department shared in that way. So no,
I don't think they get rid of Sunday shows either,
because news can be broken there and that's very valuable
for the product that that drives.
Speaker 2 (32:53):
Are good I want would assume a good amount of revenue.
So they used to call CBS the Tiffany Network. Yes,
they're calling CBS News the Tiffany Network because they're looking
around in the newsroom and saying, I think we're alone
now there.
Speaker 1 (33:07):
Wow, I thought it was going to be. And they
call ABC News that Debbie Gibson them. You could have
gotten either way with that joke.
Speaker 2 (33:15):
And been alright with it.
Speaker 1 (33:17):
But this the weirdest thing about this is that change
happens and we get shocked by it, like somehow these
people will be there forever.
Speaker 2 (33:28):
What is forever? What? What makes anybody think that that's
going to be the case?
Speaker 1 (33:34):
And the way The question before us is do we
get a better product? And the answer to that comes with, well,
I saw this news report and I believe it to
be true, as opposed to I saw this news report
and I.
Speaker 2 (33:47):
Don't believe anything. And they tell me I don't think
we're ever going to get a better product ever?
Speaker 1 (33:52):
Again?
Speaker 2 (33:52):
Do you really? I do? Because I don't think the
American people want a better product. They say they want
a better product.
Speaker 1 (33:59):
Everybody Drink Smoke Nation want it's a better product. But
here's the deal, Drink Smoked Nation a bunch of horrifying liars.
Speaker 2 (34:05):
I don't pretend that I can read each Drink Smoke
Nation's minds like you can. I'm not pretending. But don't
you feel like when it comes to corporate media corporate news,
I said for years I thought that the American people
wanted a network that played it straight down the middle.
Here's an anchor. You don't know what the anchor's politics are.
(34:28):
They will report the news and then they'll have a
segment where they'll have a conservative on and a liberal on,
and they'll talk about the story and then let the
audience decide. I feel like now we're too far gone,
and I feel like now we're to the point where
Americans want to just be in whatever political bubble that
they are in, and they only want to be told
(34:49):
that their side is winning and the other side is losing.
Speaker 1 (34:56):
I it's an outrageously hard thing to disagree with what
we see every day.
Speaker 2 (35:03):
It's a hard thing to disagree with.
Speaker 1 (35:05):
I would I look at this CBS move and Barry
Weiss running things, and I wonder, I mean, this is
this Could this be seen as the last gasp?
Speaker 2 (35:16):
If it can't be done when you've got the full
support of.
Speaker 1 (35:19):
The new owner of sky Dance I forget his first name, Ellison,
the son of Larry.
Speaker 2 (35:23):
Elison, the owner of Oracle.
Speaker 1 (35:26):
If you've got all this and Barry Weiss doesn't report
to the president of CBS News, no no, no, she
reports to the boss, to the owner of the company.
If you can't make it happen with that, well then okay,
you're probably right, you can't make.
Speaker 2 (35:39):
It happen at all.
Speaker 1 (35:40):
But the argument that America doesn't want it, I would
say that it's because America doesn't know that it's.
Speaker 2 (35:47):
Even possible, because it hasn't happened.
Speaker 1 (35:51):
And what is more evil is that there have been
so many people in news who are telling us, oh, no, no,
where the real news people where the real journalists, And
they flat out lied, and they flat out manipulated and
manipulated they did these things.
Speaker 2 (36:05):
So maybe just seeing it again will remind people of
what is possible. And nothing was ever perfect.
Speaker 1 (36:10):
Cronkite wasn't perfect, but I would like to think that
this opportunity can create opportunity.
Speaker 2 (36:18):
Cronkite would look perfect today compared to what we have.
Speaker 1 (36:21):
True the old fifty five Wabash cannonball. If you can
find that American whiskey, try it for yourself. And as
for the Asylum eight sixty seven to one, if you like.
Speaker 2 (36:31):
A flavored cigar, give it a go.
Speaker 1 (36:33):
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Speaker 2 (36:38):
This is EA Drink Smoke
Fingers, I told you that I cleaned out the human art. Yes,
you did, cleaning out the closets. Clean out your closet too,
getting rid of the things that have been in the
human or have been in the liquor cabinet.
Speaker 2 (00:13):
We've all been there. You're like, I have not had
this yet.
Speaker 1 (00:16):
It has been years or it has been months, and
I just avoid it and I move on to something else,
and I just side in my head and there's something
wrong with it, but I yet don't have the mental
discipline to get rid of it.
Speaker 2 (00:27):
It's like me with my roller blades. It is God,
I was gonna say that, Sam, you read my mind.
I've got powers. Seat drinks smoke.
Speaker 1 (00:39):
I'm Tony Kats And that is America's favorite amateur drinker,
Fingers molloy. There is a group called Old fifty five.
Old fifty five Distillery. They're good people. Jason Fruits, that
whole team, they're really absolutely excellent, and they do some beautiful, beautiful,
beautiful bourbons. They're the single barrels. They do a sweet
corn bourbon and then they do this the Wabash cannonball. Now,
(01:05):
I must admit the level I know about the Wabash
Cannonball is zero because this is not a bourbon. This
is an American whiskey. All bourbons are whiskeys, but not
all whiskies are bourbons. The Wabash cannibal our cannonball, thank
you very Much, is named after a song, Oh the
good people at Crowned Heads who we love and adore
(01:27):
had a cigar, the Wabash cannonball. So this is named
after a song, a country music song that's out there.
I think it goes back to like nineteen oh three
is what doesn't say? It's had like a host of
other names. So that's the name of this Old fifty five.
(01:48):
It's the Wabash Wabash Cannonball. The Wabash River is a
river in Indiana. The problem is I started looking for
information about this. What could I learn about this this whiskey,
and I found zero? Nothing on the Old fifty five
(02:08):
Distillery dot com website, nothing in form of a review.
Speaker 2 (02:13):
Zero.
Speaker 1 (02:14):
I don't know where I got it. I don't know
how long I've had it. I do know it was
never opened until we opened it right.
Speaker 2 (02:21):
Now, fingers maloy, So what say you? Let's go for it?
So this would be like eight years old. Right?
Speaker 1 (02:29):
For all we know as far, I have no idea
when this came out, no clue in the slightest. What
I do know is that is a very light color.
That is a very that is like water down apple juice.
I was gonna say, light beer, right, light beer. That
nicely done, well played right there, and I'm going to
say no viscosity, very very non thick. And as for
(02:53):
the nose, that's a that's a fair amount of ethanol. Children, Wow,
that's a that's a fair amount of Hey, how would
you like to how'd you like to be noticed?
Speaker 2 (03:09):
Huh? Are you getting orchard too? There is definitely a
fruit going on for sure. Now. I was like, I
don't want to say green apple, but it you are
on fire today. The orchard's really good. The green apple
I don't know about. Wow.
Speaker 1 (03:28):
And yeah, there's ethanol there. The athanol is a presence?
Is that old orchard?
Speaker 2 (03:33):
Is right? I don't.
Speaker 1 (03:34):
I don't am nowhere near oak on this from all
fifteen when you have to say is that oak? Yeah,
it's probably not oak. It's probably like.
Speaker 2 (03:43):
An oak veneer. Wow. Right, that's like saying is that oak?
Speaker 1 (03:48):
And then you realize you're in ikea, it doesn't.
Speaker 2 (03:53):
It's not oak, but honestly, the athanol is really there.
But it is. Orchard's really good.
Speaker 1 (03:59):
There's a fruit and as it stays in the in
the nose, it gets a little thicker, gets a little richer.
It's interesting, Fingers Moy, I have no idea. All I
know it's forty percent alcohol by volume for eighty proofs
and no applause from fingers mo oy. It doesn't plug
for anything that isn't at least one hundred proof.
Speaker 2 (04:15):
But uh you uh you ready for this. It's been
ready for this all day.
Speaker 1 (04:19):
Fingers Moy is doing what's known as the Kentucky chew
right there on the old fifty five Wabash cannonball American whiskey,
moving the juice around the palate, getting a feel for it.
I like the two SIPs method, the first zip to
set the taste buds and the second sip to really
get an idea of where those flavors are. Fingers is
going back in, ladies and gentlemen, This is a first.
(04:40):
He's going back in for a second sip. Wait this
just in that's.
Speaker 2 (04:43):
Not a first. He does that very often? Why Why though? Okay,
all right, I don't know what's going on here. Why
I have it's that orchard is there, almost like an apple.
(05:04):
It's still there. It's still there. To me, there's an oak.
There is a hint. And I'm going back and forth.
And I shouldn't be going back and forth over these two,
but I am a hint of either vanilla or honey.
It's so it's it's it's not pronounced. It's not something
(05:25):
that punches you in the face. It's it's a hint.
There is very little sting, a little uh sting on
the tongue, very little warmth in the chest. And yeah,
I think that's all I got. Wait, it's not vanilla
and honey. It's vanilla or honey. It must be both.
(05:45):
I'm going back and forth on it. It's probably both, but
it's so subtle, Tony, there's there's nothing about this for
me other than that orchard at the beginning that hits
me and that oak at the end. And so that's
that's what I'm going with. We'll go with a little orchard,
little honey, little vanilla.
Speaker 1 (06:05):
And I'm going in the old fifty five Wabash cannonball
American whiskey.
Speaker 2 (06:10):
He's going in ladies and gentlemen, and he is doing
what we like to call sagonna swish, the Memphis munch,
the wah bash wah wah.
Speaker 1 (06:23):
First, let me say that the ethanol is not what
you're gonna get when you drink it.
Speaker 2 (06:31):
It's warm, but.
Speaker 1 (06:33):
It's not spicy. The fruit is absolutely there. That's uh huh.
That's juicy fruit. That is juicy fruit that lays on
the tongue. That's what that flavor is.
Speaker 2 (06:50):
Right, This is very very you said green apple. I
think green apple is a kind.
Speaker 1 (06:55):
Of a unique kind of way to view things. I'm
going more just in a generalized apple, but it is
that orchard esk juicy fruit kind of thing that's laying down.
I actually think this would be solid on a cube.
I mean, wait, don't be wrong, it could get totally
washed out.
Speaker 2 (07:13):
On a cube. By the way.
Speaker 1 (07:13):
To finish, heat in the cheek, nothing in the throat, nothing,
zero in the chest. Zero maybe the slightest hint of something.
Because I brought it up, I incepted myself it's in
the cheek, so I wanted to, you know, look up
may be the most subtlest of chocolates.
Speaker 2 (07:30):
That's interesting. I wanted to look up the flavor for
a profile juicy fruit, just to refresh my memory because
it's been a long time. A blend of bananas, pineapple,
and other tropical fruits like lemon, orange, and peach. Yeah,
it's nothing like juicy fruit. That's what it reminded me of.
That's it's interesting. It is.
Speaker 1 (07:54):
Its problem is how is it's it's it's This is
gonna sound dumb. It's a little one dimensional, it's a
little thin. Again, it's not bourbon, so Lord only knows
the amount of time it's been in a barrel or
anything else. So there's a level of complexity that I
(08:16):
don't know why it's.
Speaker 2 (08:18):
It shouldn't be there, should it not? Don't have the answer.
The old fifty five, I do like Old fifty five.
I like those guys quite a bit. This is the
Wabash cannonball.
Speaker 1 (08:28):
If you find it, try it. By the way, I
don't even know how much it costs a bottle. I
don't know where I found it. We're just cleaning out
the liquor cabinet and we decided let's drink it. We
informed everybody that things are tough in the bourbon world,
but sometimes things are happening that have nothing to do
with what's making things tough in the bourbon world.
Speaker 2 (08:50):
Seat drink smoke.
Speaker 1 (08:51):
I'm Tony Kats That right there is America's favorite amateur drinker,
Fingers molloy. You may have heard the story that Karen
is considering a sale of four roses selling the brand
the I mean four freaking roses for a billion dollars.
Now you say, oh, my gosh, a billion dollars, I say,
(09:13):
I think that would have been well over a billion
just five years ago.
Speaker 2 (09:17):
It's four roses. I mean, the.
Speaker 1 (09:19):
Small Batch Select is still in my top five. I
love the small Batch Select.
Speaker 2 (09:24):
It's an incredible thing to think that they would unload it.
Speaker 1 (09:27):
But sometimes a conversation like that, while they're going to
get less now than they would have I say, five
years ago, a conversation like that is because Kieran has
its own issues. Kieran sees things going in a different direction.
Businesses of that size, of that magnitude, Fingers, they make
moves all the time based on needs.
Speaker 2 (09:47):
That we don't quite understand and we don't quite know. Yeah,
it's just we're documenting this over the course of the
last few years. It's it's amazing, you know, the struggles
that the bourbon industry has gone through between supply chain
issues in COVID and oh my gosh, is there gonna
be a shortage of barrels because business is so red
hot to now all of a sudden, you're seeing distilleries
(10:10):
filing for bankruptcy, closing up shop in just a blink
of an eye, and you wonder if we've reached the
floor yet or if it's going to go even lower
for the bourbon industry.
Speaker 1 (10:22):
So that's one story, and people could say, ooh, there's
something up with bourbon. Not necessarily we don't know yet,
we don't have enough data yet to tell us. Then
we have the story of Uncle Nearest. So the brand
Uncle Nearest and Uncle nearst is a really interesting story
because the brand is based on the slave that taught
Jack Daniels how to be a distiller. Now, to the
(10:45):
extent that the story is true or not true or
anything else, I'll let others play in that game. And
Nearest became Jack daniels first master distiller. Right, that's the
story and everything else I'm just saying, I don't know
how much is one hundred percent perfectly accurate. They faced
Chapter eleven bankruptcy and that means a forced asset.
Speaker 2 (11:10):
Sale as well.
Speaker 1 (11:12):
You could argue, man, this says a lot about what's
going on in Bourbon. This is one of those moments, Fingers,
where the things we say have to be very very
clear and very very general because it could get you
very very sued in a very very court of law.
Go on, you understand what I'm saying, Yes, as long
as we all understand what we're saying. There's a lot
(11:34):
of stories about whether or not Uncle Nearest was run properly,
and we have all seen businesses that have been mismanaged.
Speaker 2 (11:42):
I cannot prove.
Speaker 1 (11:44):
By any stretch that there was any mismanagement, and I
am not making that accusation.
Speaker 2 (11:49):
I don't know.
Speaker 1 (11:50):
I don't have any inside knowledge. What I do know
is that they are selling off non core assets.
Speaker 2 (11:57):
The story from the street at dot com. It includes French.
Speaker 1 (12:00):
Vineyards, a Cognact chateau and other real estate to try
and get things stabilized.
Speaker 2 (12:06):
So let's go back into why does Uncle.
Speaker 1 (12:10):
Nears own a French vineyard, a Cognact chateau and what
other real estate. One could argue it's because they were
going to build the brand out and they built too fast.
They ran the before they knew how to walk, and
they didn't have the financial leverage in the bourbon industry. Whoop,
the bottom fell out and they're like, oh crap, we
can't make this debt payment. I can't imagine what the
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debt structure is on the thing. It could be something else, fingers.
So here's two really interesting stories that may have nothing
to do with where bourbon is, except we know where
bourbon is and it's not in a great spot.
Speaker 2 (12:47):
It's crazy these two stories are up. It is, but
it does a lend for us to have a topic
that we can widely speculate. Ladies and gentlemen's time for
eat drink smokes wild speculation. So here's his first speculaton. No,
I'm not going to do any of that because I
don't want to get sued. No, but you do bring
up a good point, because let's just let's talk about
(13:13):
another bourbon company that doesn't exist, Billy's Bourbon Company. Say
it had a long history, the name was synonymous with
with whiskey and bourbon, and then all of a sudden
it's facing financial troubles and it may have been mismanaged,
you may be able to get way away with some
of that in a world where Bourbon is hot.
Speaker 1 (13:37):
Yes, that is so beyond accurate. And I have had
a couple of people engage that conversation with me that
if all was good in Bourbon and people are still
buying it flying off the shelves, it's possible some of
the issues would never be seen, or the issues could
be seen as oooh, all.
Speaker 2 (13:56):
Right, but the sales are good. We'll work our way
out of this.
Speaker 1 (13:59):
What is good, what is possible in a good cycle,
and what happens in a bad cycle, and how you
prepare for those things.
Speaker 2 (14:07):
That is a thousand percent accurate as an observation, fingers.
And it's not a fair comparison because we're talking apples
and oranges. But you look at other industries, other companies
that take Amazon for example, that's raking in you know,
record profits, they're also looking to cut jobs, cut fat.
If you're being mismanaged, especially in a time of red
(14:29):
hot sales in your industry, where you should be trimming
some of the fat, if you know it's there, you
may not be able to survive if the business goes
in the tank.
Speaker 1 (14:43):
So I was doing a little more investigation, and so
they reported in twenty twenty two, I want to see.
Speaker 2 (14:50):
I wonder what other numbers are out there in ten years.
Speaker 1 (14:55):
By the way they went from taking this couple went
from taking over the brand to opening their own distillery
in Shelbyville, Tennessee, Tennessee, and in twenty twenty two reported
one hundred million dollars in whiskey sales. Now sales is nonprofit,
get me wrong, but one hundred million dollars. And now,
(15:15):
according to a couple of reports, they're fighting the receivership.
Speaker 2 (15:18):
They're saying no, no, no, no, no, We've got this.
Speaker 1 (15:21):
They've taken a two and a half million dollar loans
to pay off some immediate debts and take care.
Speaker 2 (15:25):
Of some employees. They've laid off twelve people over there.
So it is a.
Speaker 1 (15:33):
Still a developing story, and we may find out more
as more data comes out. Now, if you start hearing
about investigations, which I am not alleging in any way,
shape or form, that'll be something else.
Speaker 2 (15:48):
Too that adds on to this.
Speaker 1 (15:51):
But we said, gosh, it might have been just last week,
and we certainly said it the week before. Get ready,
you're gonna see people go under. You know, we knew
that bourbon cells were down, but for us, the Canary
and the coal Mine was Jack Daniels giving up their Cooperridge.
When Jack said, we're no longer gonna make our own barrels,
(16:13):
We'll just buy them on the market. When just two
years before you couldn't find a barrel, You couldn't find
a barrel. That was the Oh okay, things are different now,
things are really really different, And smaller makers are gonna
have a harder time if they're having a harder time
get it staying on the shelves and don't have the
marketing budget, and mismanaged companies are gonna get to your point,
(16:37):
fingers are gonna get totally exposed.
Speaker 2 (16:39):
So let's say the worst happens, and we're talking total liquidation,
business shuts down. Somebody's buying that name, right, I would assume.
Speaker 1 (16:47):
So now I say that with a caveat what if
there's no need.
Speaker 2 (16:56):
You would assume the name.
Speaker 1 (16:58):
Means something, and the name has value just for its history,
and someone might buy the name just to keep somebody
else from having the name. That's interesting, but it doesn't
mean that they'll do the bourbon because they may have
their own bourbons to do in their own place on
the shelf, and they don't need They want to build
more of.
Speaker 2 (17:13):
This juice that they have time, will time, Eat.
Speaker 1 (17:21):
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(17:59):
with the Asylum.
Speaker 1 (18:00):
Eight six seven zero and it is a flavored cigar
from cle and the cla people are fantastic, but neither
one of us can finish the flavored cigar. It's just
we were cleaning out the closets. That's how the whole
day as we goun what has been stuck in the
human or what has been stuck in the liquor cabinet
that we have had. I've had for forever, and I
(18:21):
don't even know how I got them. And it's time
either smoke them, drink them, or throw them away? What
are we doing here?
Speaker 2 (18:26):
Or dift it?
Speaker 1 (18:27):
My gosh, but it's just sitting there. So I decided
to pull him out.
Speaker 2 (18:31):
So we had the zero there, the asylum zero. It's
it's not just not.
Speaker 1 (18:37):
Where we live and breathe in flavored cigars eleven dollars
a stick and might be your cup of tea, but
just was not not where we played. And then this
from Old fifty five, which is a distillery out of Indiana,
Old fifty five five to five Old five five Distillery
dot com. Jason Fruits, great guy, great team over there.
This was their Wabash Cannonball. Now, Wabash Cannonball.
Speaker 2 (19:01):
Is a song.
Speaker 1 (19:01):
It's a country song from like the early nineteen hundred's.
The guys over a crowned heads have a cigar, the
Wabash cannonball, and they've got this. This is a whiskey.
This is an American whiskey right here. A lot of
orchard was in this. And I had said juicy fruit,
and then Fingers said, it doesn't sound like juicy fruit,
because I'm a juicy fruit expert and I got I
have a certificate from the online School of Juicy Fruit University,
(19:25):
and that does not sound like juicy fruit.
Speaker 2 (19:27):
So we might be right. But it is.
Speaker 1 (19:31):
Definitely ethanol on the nose, definitely fruit on the nose,
and I think orchard fingers right call there and that's
what there was little thin is how I described it.
What's and new fingers for me? I put a little
bit of cool water in it. And university of course
has a wonderful basketball team.
Speaker 2 (19:48):
Right they do. Having said that, I'm going to be
interested to see you've got it on a full rock there?
Speaker 1 (19:55):
Yeah, two actually very large chips. This isn't a rocks glass,
but it's what I have. It's like a it's like
one of those like Tumblr mini like rocks glass yetties.
Speaker 2 (20:04):
Your very wine mom, right now.
Speaker 1 (20:05):
I know, I know I want to walk around the
neighborhood complain about people's kids.
Speaker 2 (20:11):
That's what I'm gonna do. Get off that skateboard you're
on the sidewalk. I do not know how she lives
in that house. It is so small.
Speaker 1 (20:20):
I feel so bad for her and her husband not
a looker in the slightest that's.
Speaker 2 (20:26):
Your wine mom imitation. That is my That is my.
Speaker 1 (20:30):
All purpose imitation, which I can do unrelenting four hours.
Speaker 2 (20:35):
Just ask my wife, you want my wine mom imitation? Okay,
here it goes. My husband's such an idiot. There you go.
Thank you. I'll be here all week trying. It's pretty good.
That was pretty good. Hey, send your hate mail.
Speaker 1 (20:56):
If you don't mind, to Adam Carolla at yahoo dot com.
Speaker 2 (20:59):
And and we'll get it. We'll get right on that.
He'll just forward it over to us. So I've got
mine on a cube. You've got yours on a little
bit of water.
Speaker 1 (21:06):
Right, So this is forty forty alcohol by volume or
eighty proof. Water brings down proof, right, that's what it does.
It can open up your your bourbon or your whiskey,
some flavors more pronounced, some more muted.
Speaker 2 (21:19):
I'll go first. I'll go first. I'm on these. That's
how you know it's fresh. I think you need to
use that more often to prove to folks that you're
you at home, know, right in the eye. I just
flashed myself with it. Thank god you had your safety
goggles on. Oh my husband is such an idiot. Look
what he did.
Speaker 1 (21:40):
Maybe if you had bought the nice Rocks glasses, but no,
I look like a heathen.
Speaker 2 (21:46):
Oh you call that a Rocks glass, do you? I
guess you sound like caffagin. Here I go. He's going in,
ladies and gentlemen. What do you think?
Speaker 1 (22:02):
No?
Speaker 2 (22:03):
It washed? Oh going in once again? Neat drink. So
so you might be right, as this is a water drink,
but it's it's that fruit, really is there? Oddly enough?
A little heat picked up?
Speaker 1 (22:21):
As it's gonna sound weird because like I don't I
I don't know the mash bill on this.
Speaker 2 (22:26):
I don't even know the price. I don't know if
it's still offered.
Speaker 1 (22:29):
And I know the guys at all fifty five are
gonna listen to this and immediately be.
Speaker 2 (22:32):
Like, oh my gosh, you should have called it this
and this and this.
Speaker 1 (22:39):
It's it's it's not where my profile is in the slightest.
But like, depending on the price, I'd be very interested
in the price could tell me. I don't I don't
know if it stays in my liquor cabinet. But I
think it is in somebody's liquor cabinet because there is
this fruit thing, and there is this it's a non
(22:59):
cinnamon heat that's now happening that wasn't happening before.
Speaker 2 (23:02):
Dead center chest. You add a little bit of.
Speaker 1 (23:04):
Water, You go in there right there, fingers molloy, and
you give that a.
Speaker 2 (23:11):
Try with a little bit of water. The old fifty five.
For me, it brought out a little bit more that orchard.
There's a little oak at the end, you know where
it took away from. Noah, I said, there's it felt
like there's little bit of honey, little vanilla that kind
of got muted. It brought up more of an orchard
for me, and a little bit more I'm thinking oak.
(23:31):
Here's what I will say. If you found this at
your local liquor store and it was available, and it
was under forty dollars a bottle, I would grab it.
If you find it at your local lounge, they have it,
it's worth a poor You start talking about you know,
(23:52):
price point, you know, fifty sixty seventy dollars a bottle.
I don't think so, but I think it's it's well
worth a try, especially if you find it at your
faceavorite lounge. Yeah, I'm gonna say it a little differently.
Speaker 1 (24:02):
And again, these are guys I really like, and I
like a bunch of what they do. If you found
it under twenty five dollars a bottle, not forty, you
found it under twenty five dollars a bottle, I'd be.
Speaker 2 (24:15):
Like, yeah, sure, I'm accounting for inflation, Tony. Yeah I
did too, you know. And I could just be being
a harsh in that regard.
Speaker 1 (24:27):
It doesn't require that kind of of harshness to it.
Speaker 2 (24:32):
It did play nice that I thought it would, it
really did.
Speaker 1 (24:37):
I think that the nose is a bit confusing with
that that level of ethanol that was in there. And
and I'm just I'm I'm a fan of them. I
have a lot of respect for those guys, So I
don't want to be you know, too much, but like,
they've got some really good bottled and bond product and
(24:58):
other things, some single malt product that's very much worthwhile.
And I would absolutely be somebody who recommends the Old
fifty five brand for sure, Old fifty five Distillery dot com.
But it's time fingers Molly, my gosh, we wasted a
lot of time.
Speaker 2 (25:13):
We really should learn how to focus. We should have rehearsals.
Time for News of the week, Tony Foo Fighters announced
that they are going to have a limited stadium tour
in twenty twenty six. They're going to have dates in
Canada and the United States. Oh and it appears Mexico
City as well. You can see them in Detroit, Chicago, Cleveland.
(25:35):
But they're only doing about what twelve fifteen shows. But
it's the first tour that they've done since their drummer
passed away.
Speaker 1 (25:43):
Yeah, I think that people will still go, and I
think they'll still very much be able to hit the sound.
Speaker 2 (25:51):
I think that life of that Taylor Hawkins, the late.
Speaker 1 (25:54):
Drummer, is the kind of thing that still moves people,
and it moves them hard. If you don't know the story,
he was the drummer for Alanis Moore set and then
got the chance to be in the Food Fighters and.
Speaker 2 (26:09):
I took it.
Speaker 1 (26:10):
And you know, you listen to Dave Grohl discuss it,
He's like that was like the glue piece, Like that
was the Okay, I had somebody who understood the drive
like I do, and then everything else kind of fell
into place.
Speaker 2 (26:24):
I think it's still gonna be great shows. I think
people are gonna enjoy the daylights out of it. You've
seen food Fighters in yes, and I'm gonna see him
again next year. I already I already have my tickets
with time. You seen him, and I'm seeing him at
Ford Field and Detroit. Look at you, Look at you.
It's gonna be I haven't seen a stadium show we're
talking football stadium since Pink Floyd in nineteen ninety four,
(26:46):
so I'll be interested to see what it's like because
I've seen Food Fighters outdoors and that was a great show.
That's right. They played a local ampathy in her here. Yeah,
I should have gone fingers maloy. Were we or were
we not?
Speaker 1 (27:03):
Just moments ago on eat, drink smoke talking about.
Speaker 2 (27:07):
The changes at CBS. Uh, Yes we were, I think
bringing back everybody loves Raymond and were we or were
we not?
Speaker 1 (27:16):
Or when I say we, I mean me saying, oh,
people are losing their jobs. Okay, I can't get worked
up about it, and I can't necessarily feel bad about it.
Speaker 2 (27:26):
People lose their jobs sometimes and it's terrible.
Speaker 1 (27:28):
But if this idea that somehow, because you work in
a certain industry you are.
Speaker 2 (27:33):
Immune or it's more damaging and more awful. I find
to be nonsensical. I believe you said learn to code.
Now that's what they would say to me.
Speaker 1 (27:42):
Oh if I lost my job, and right now, I
would tell anybody learn AI because that's what's doing all
the coding.
Speaker 2 (27:51):
It's eat, drink, smoke. I'm Tony Katz.
Speaker 1 (27:54):
That right there is America's favorite amateur drinker, Fingers Maloy.
Speaker 2 (27:57):
Now you don't know Fingers the way I know Fingers.
When Fingers MOLOI wants to speak to you, and let's
see if I will shock him with this because he
doesn't know the story.
Speaker 1 (28:08):
When Fingers wants to speak to you and Fingers want
it to be you know, a private conversation will go
no seriously. Oprah Gail True, Oprah Gail and Oprah is
Oprah Winfrey and Gail is Gail King from CBS. Gail
King will be leaving CBS News broke, literally as we're
(28:31):
recording it broke. Barry Weis has taken over CBS. Large
scale changes are taking place. Barry Weiss was with The
New York Times, left the New York Times because The
New York Times wasn't interested in reporting in her view,
started something called the Free Press, became wildly popular, sold
to CBS, which is a group called sky Dance Now
(28:53):
that owns it one hundred and fifty million dollars, and
she took over as the executive editor of CBS News.
People are losing their minds, and you would think, well,
they're losing their minds because Barry Weiss is politically conservative
and CBS is politically liberal. No, no, no, Barry Weiss
is politically liberal. But she believes in actual news and
that's what has everybody in an uproar. Gail King expected
(29:14):
to depart. She's been hosting CBS Morning since twenty twelve,
will leave the show next year when her contract ends
in May. So was she told there will be no
contract extension or did she say I'm going out on
my own terms before I'm told there's no contract extension.
Speaker 2 (29:32):
Oh you know the answer to that question, I don't.
I'm fifty to fifty. Oh no, they're showing her the door.
And this is what I was going to ask you.
This to me feels like the grip that Oprah has
on media has has slowly slipped and has lessened to
(29:53):
the point where I don't think this could have happened five,
six years ago or ten excuse me, ten years ago.
Maybe not, because they would have been too scared to
take on Oprah. But now they don't have a problem
taking on Oprah. And I think the only thing that
they're doing with this is showing Oprah the respect of
letting a Gail say that, Oh you know what, I
think I'm gonna be leaving on my own terms. Here's
(30:14):
the kicker about this story. She's seventy. Stop it.
Speaker 1 (30:20):
Oh my gosh, God bless you, Gail King seventy That's amazing.
Speaker 2 (30:29):
Never would have guessed that in a million years. Never
would have guessed that. So what's gonna happen over there?
You know, you see these people being laid off, but
they're still gonna have these shows. We talked about the
CBS weekend morning show. They've got what on Sunday? They've
got Sunday Morning? Uh with a what is it?
Speaker 1 (30:52):
Charles Carralt, Wow, what show CBS Sunday Morning?
Speaker 2 (30:59):
That was CBS Morning with Johnny Knoxville. Ah, that is
I don't think Charles is with us anymore. But having
said that, Uh, they're still gonna have these shows, right,
or is it gonna shrink to the point where these
networks aren't going to have these big Sunday morning shows anymore?
And it's maybe I'll have the news shows like Meet
(31:21):
the Press and stuff like that, but the kind of
news magazine shows that you would see on a Sunday morning.
Are those gonna go by the wayside? And we'll see
repeats of everybody else?
Speaker 1 (31:31):
But I mean usually this is the conversation of his
Late Night gonna go by the wayside?
Speaker 2 (31:35):
And I argue, yes, it will.
Speaker 1 (31:38):
There's a ROI conversation involved, and unless you're gonna have
Late Night that is actually about entertainment and takes on
all sides properly, in skewing all sides properly and making
the joke as opposed to engaging in the ideological trafficking.
Speaker 2 (31:53):
Yes, it's gonna go. It's too costly, are there? So?
Speaker 1 (31:57):
Gail King was the Monday through Friday show? But are
those shows gonna go? And I put forth to you, no,
I think that there's a lot of ego and prestige wrapped.
Speaker 2 (32:09):
Up in them.
Speaker 1 (32:10):
It's like the sixty take sixty minutes. Would sixty minutes
go away? I don't think so. I think there's still
a great amount of Americans who rely on sixty minutes, who.
Speaker 2 (32:19):
See a value in it.
Speaker 1 (32:21):
And and I think that CBS, right, this is the nation.
This is the network that they called the Tiffany Network,
like this was, this is the Kreme de la creme.
This is started at all, if you will. I don't
think they would see themselves getting rid of of that program.
There's no need to. It still can generate news utilized
(32:43):
by the news department shared in that way. So no,
I don't think they get rid of Sunday shows either,
because news can be broken there and that's very valuable
for the product that that drives.
Speaker 2 (32:53):
Are good I want would assume a good amount of revenue.
So they used to call CBS the Tiffany Network. Yes,
they're calling CBS News the Tiffany Network because they're looking
around in the newsroom and saying, I think we're alone
now there.
Speaker 1 (33:07):
Wow, I thought it was going to be. And they
call ABC News that Debbie Gibson them. You could have
gotten either way with that joke.
Speaker 2 (33:15):
And been alright with it.
Speaker 1 (33:17):
But this the weirdest thing about this is that change
happens and we get shocked by it, like somehow these
people will be there forever.
Speaker 2 (33:28):
What is forever? What? What makes anybody think that that's
going to be the case?
Speaker 1 (33:34):
And the way The question before us is do we
get a better product? And the answer to that comes with, well,
I saw this news report and I believe it to
be true, as opposed to I saw this news report
and I.
Speaker 2 (33:47):
Don't believe anything. And they tell me I don't think
we're ever going to get a better product ever?
Speaker 1 (33:52):
Again?
Speaker 2 (33:52):
Do you really? I do? Because I don't think the
American people want a better product. They say they want
a better product.
Speaker 1 (33:59):
Everybody Drink Smoke Nation want it's a better product. But
here's the deal, Drink Smoked Nation a bunch of horrifying liars.
Speaker 2 (34:05):
I don't pretend that I can read each Drink Smoke
Nation's minds like you can. I'm not pretending. But don't
you feel like when it comes to corporate media corporate news,
I said for years I thought that the American people
wanted a network that played it straight down the middle.
Here's an anchor. You don't know what the anchor's politics are.
(34:28):
They will report the news and then they'll have a
segment where they'll have a conservative on and a liberal on,
and they'll talk about the story and then let the
audience decide. I feel like now we're too far gone,
and I feel like now we're to the point where
Americans want to just be in whatever political bubble that
they are in, and they only want to be told
(34:49):
that their side is winning and the other side is losing.
Speaker 1 (34:56):
I it's an outrageously hard thing to disagree with what
we see every day.
Speaker 2 (35:03):
It's a hard thing to disagree with.
Speaker 1 (35:05):
I would I look at this CBS move and Barry
Weiss running things, and I wonder, I mean, this is
this Could this be seen as the last gasp?
Speaker 2 (35:16):
If it can't be done when you've got the full
support of.
Speaker 1 (35:19):
The new owner of sky Dance I forget his first name, Ellison,
the son of Larry.
Speaker 2 (35:23):
Elison, the owner of Oracle.
Speaker 1 (35:26):
If you've got all this and Barry Weiss doesn't report
to the president of CBS News, no no, no, she
reports to the boss, to the owner of the company.
If you can't make it happen with that, well then okay,
you're probably right, you can't make.
Speaker 2 (35:39):
It happen at all.
Speaker 1 (35:40):
But the argument that America doesn't want it, I would
say that it's because America doesn't know that it's.
Speaker 2 (35:47):
Even possible, because it hasn't happened.
Speaker 1 (35:51):
And what is more evil is that there have been
so many people in news who are telling us, oh, no, no,
where the real news people where the real journalists, And
they flat out lied, and they flat out manipulated and
manipulated they did these things.
Speaker 2 (36:05):
So maybe just seeing it again will remind people of
what is possible. And nothing was ever perfect.
Speaker 1 (36:10):
Cronkite wasn't perfect, but I would like to think that
this opportunity can create opportunity.
Speaker 2 (36:18):
Cronkite would look perfect today compared to what we have.
Speaker 1 (36:21):
True the old fifty five Wabash cannonball. If you can
find that American whiskey, try it for yourself. And as
for the Asylum eight sixty seven to one, if you like.
Speaker 2 (36:31):
A flavored cigar, give it a go.
Speaker 1 (36:33):
People at cl Are Fantastic Folk find everything at Eat
Drinksmoke show dot com.
Speaker 2 (36:38):
This is EA Drink Smoke
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