Is that Candy Or Medicine?

Ever had that moment when you realize it's time to face what's been hiding in your humidor or liquor cabinet? Those items you've been avoiding for months (or years) that just keep getting pushed to the back? Tony and Fingers dive into their own neglected treasures in this candid exploration of flavored cigars and mysterious whiskey.

What happens when two traditional cigar enthusiasts reluctantly light up an infused stick? Can an American whiskey with no available information surprise even the most discerning palates? And what does all this have to do with Reese's peanut butter cups with jelly? (Yes, that's a real thing, and yes, they tried it for you.)

Key Takeaways:

The Asylum 867 Zero flavored cigar review: Tony and Fingers tackle an infused cigar from CLE that's been lingering in the humidor
Discussion of "gateway cigars" and how flavored options bring new people into the cigar world
The Reese's PB&J taste test (spoiler: grape is "medicine" and strawberry is merely "unnecessary")
Old 55 Wabash Cannonball American Whiskey review: A mysterious bottle with orchard notes and juicy fruit flavors
Four Roses potentially being sold and Uncle Nearest filing for Chapter 11 - what's happening in the bourbon industry?
News of CBS layoffs and the changing media landscape

Whether you're a cigar aficionado who avoids flavored sticks or someone curious about the bourbon industry's current challenges, this episode offers honest takes on products that might not be in Tony and Fingers' regular rotation but deserve their moment in the spotlight—even if that spotlight reveals why they were hiding in the back of the cabinet all along.

Ready to clean out your own collection? Listen now and get inspired to face those forgotten bottles and sticks you've been avoiding!

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Episode Transcript

Speaker 1 (00:00):
Wow, it was time to clean out the closet. Everybody,
you know what I'm talking about at that moment where
it's like it's fall cleaning and spring cleaning. I don't
care what you what you call it, but you just
gotta get rid of stuff. And if in your humid
or you have these cigars that kind of just like

(00:20):
hang around, you're not quite sure how they got there,
You're not quite sure why they're they kind of remember
someone gave it to you or you picked it up,
and then you chose something else, or you chose something else.
But today it was clean out the human or clean
out the liquor cabinet, and so we ended up with
a flavored cigar that can't be good. It's eat, drink smoke.

(00:45):
I'm Tony Katz and that right there is America's favorite
amateur drinker, Fingers Molloy Fingers. We like the people at
CL Christian Roea, good guy people. CL do some fine
work with the cl brand, with the Aroa brand, and
with the Asylum of brand. We've done them Madu la
Blongata on the show A Host of Cigars, This is

(01:08):
the Asylum zero zero. So there's three of these and
I don't even know if they're still making these. This
originally was under a licensing agreement with a group if
I understand it right, with a group called Deadwood. But
if you know Drue Estates, they do the Deadwood series
and things like that. And then there was a lawsuit

(01:28):
and then they changed the name to the Asylum. Eight
six seven zero is what they call this one right here,
Maduro rapper, this is Hon Duram throughout. The toro is
what we're dealing with right here. And the toro comes
in at six six by fifty. This is six by fifty,
which means it's six inches long. Always makes fringers from

(01:49):
boy laugh. And the ring gauge is the fifty the
diameter of the cigar, or how thick it is around
me again with the laughter. A sixty four ring gauge
is a full one inch round. So this is really
the size I like, certainly the mouth feel that I like.
But in order to make this right, this is infused. Now.
Sometimes cigars are dipped, and supposedly this does have a

(02:12):
little bit of extra aroma there on the cap. That's
the where you cut and then you're smoking from. This
is placed in a chamber where flavors are infused in.
So that's how this one is done. As a matter
of just our own every day, neither one of us
is flavored cigar guys. Is that is not an accurate assessment.
That's a very accurate as when we say it's an

(02:34):
accurate assessment.

Speaker 2 (02:36):
It's a very accurate assessment.

Speaker 1 (02:38):
That's correct. That is correct. Yeah, not not where I
live and breathe, not at all. But they are popular.
I mean, the acids are popular. The whole deadwood thing
is popular. So there are a lot of these cigars
that are out there, and sometimes is a way to
introduce people to cigars, not us. So when I grabbed this,

(03:00):
I don't remember even grabbing it or how I got
a hold of it. I just said, oh, that's cool, Asylum.
I left it at that. I can tell you where
you got it, do you know?

Speaker 2 (03:10):
I believe in our travels when we went to the
Premium Cigar Association trade show Clee.

Speaker 1 (03:19):
Christian.

Speaker 2 (03:20):
Yeah, then the folks that put the Asylum together put
together a nice little gift bag for us some of
the cigars to review, some of them just to try out.
And I believe these were in.

Speaker 1 (03:34):
That Okay, little gift bag there, so I just lit
mine up. Fingers is already working his. Get your notebooks out.
I don't care what it is, you gotta do it.
Standards are standards kids. What do you eat today? What
do you drink today? We've got nice fall weather in Indianapolis,
Indiana where we record and uh. Then you know, you

(03:54):
write down what you ate and you drink because that
can affect your palate. And then you break the cigar
up to the third's first third, second, third, five third, and
then what flavors are you getting out of this cigar?
You write it down when you try the cigar three
months for an hour, six months for an hour and
never again. See what I wow, c LA love you.
This is just not where I live and breathe. Uh,
but you would write down those notes again and then

(04:16):
you kind of get an idea of through line what's
interesting here, and both Fingers and I have this happening.
The cigar itself is well humidified, but at the cap
end it's like they poured in cement. I don't know
what that is. Remember, these are hand rolled products. It
could just been how the roller did things. And it's
just super intense. So we have this a version of

(04:37):
a pick right here and just poking holes poka to
get some kind of airflow, going to make it a
little easier on the draw. You did, did it help you?

Speaker 2 (04:47):
No, that's okay, We're just gonna have to work a
little harder. During this episode is all oh my mm hm.

Speaker 1 (04:56):
Oh yeah, so I totally get why someone would like
it though. Yeah.

Speaker 2 (05:02):
Absolutely, And I hate to use this term tony because
it does have a negative aura around it during certain discussions.
It's a gateway cigar for a lot of people, you know,
who want to try cigars. They get into the flavored
cigars first, and then they transition over to trying cigars

(05:26):
that do not have this type of infusion. You see
it a lot at cigar lounges that offer infused cigars
where you know, oh, I don't normally have a cigar.
You hear the person say, but I'll try one of
the Oh you've got a chocolate cigar, you got a
vanilla cigar. Oh, I'll try one of those. So I

(05:47):
can see why they're popular.

Speaker 1 (05:49):
First of all, it's very pretty. I love the I
love the band, the Black and Red, and and you know,
the cigar is nice. And oily. The apper itself is
a little bit ugly. There's a fair amount of veining
going on on that. I don't mind that at all.
It's you know, it's not smooth. It's not just this
miraculous piece. It's it's kind of what you think of

(06:11):
a cigar. It's that flavor, which is a little bit
chocolate and a little bit tea and a little bit
nutty and a little bit uh found at a gas
station like you would. I'm I will not lie. I'm

(06:32):
already saying I started by saying, and I have zero
against c L I would if I was doing the acids,
I would be in the same conversation. There is a
cigar that's chocolate banana out there. Wait was that cl
E too, Nope, it's I just there is one of
the ways the flavors in part in that in that chocolate,

(06:53):
not that natural kind of chocolate in the flavored gives
me a headache, like it just I I have a
throwback to when I was a kid, and my gosh,
absolutely not. But I'm I'm an adult now, thank you.
And I can see where people can find pleasure in this. Okay,
But do you get the tea out of that. No,
I don't get the tea really, and I'll tell you

(07:13):
what I do get.

Speaker 2 (07:15):
It's like I'm eating a Snicker's bar and then I'm
pairing it with one of those Starbucks vanilla coffee drinks.

Speaker 1 (07:26):
Oh that's not bad, that's not bad. The problem is
is that you're the that sounds rich and decadent and
this is sweet and oh that's an artificial flavor. Okay,
Now I conceptually I'm with you. That's an especially the

(07:50):
vanilla thing from Starbucks. That's yeah, right, but that because
it's like that high end sweet.

Speaker 2 (07:56):
Yeah, but there's also that chocolate from the candy bar
and maybe uh, you know what would be the.

Speaker 1 (08:02):
Off brand Snickers you would get at all d then
maybe I could go along with this.

Speaker 2 (08:07):
That would be a snookers By exactly, which I'm sure
many kids got handed to them. Over the Halloween holiday,
our neighborhood's having a parade, or had a parade, I.

Speaker 1 (08:22):
Should say, did they really? Yeah?

Speaker 2 (08:24):
Halloween parade?

Speaker 1 (08:26):
No?

Speaker 2 (08:28):
Yeap, Oh that's adorable. I thought so were you in it?
I was the Grand Marshal. Congratulations, thank you?

Speaker 1 (08:38):
Is this cigar in your human or Phil? Tell you
fingers I don't want to throw too much at you.
I don't want to completely discombobulate your your your taste buds.
Because what we do here is we review cigars, We
review bourbon and whatever it is we're drinking, talk about life,

(09:00):
what's going on in the cigar lounge. We share, We engage,
We make people fall in love. I have heard that
there are right now forty three children running around the
United States of America named Fingers just because of you.

Speaker 2 (09:13):
Yeah, and they all call me Dad.

Speaker 1 (09:15):
Tea drink smoke. I'm Tony Katz. That right there is
Daddy molloy. And you know, reviewing a flavored cigar is
for us very odd, very awkward, very weird, very strange.
And I'm not going to apologize for that. It's just
not what we do. It is not where my taste
buds are. We'll get into this cigar from Cla and
by the way, we love you Cla. We do. There's

(09:36):
a reason for these cigars. And so we were cleaning
out the closet, cleaning out the closet, cleaning out the
humid or. It's been in there a while. It was
time to get it smoked. But I noticed before as
I found this cigar. I noticed that gearing up for Halloween.
My wife a fantastic woman. I'm a lucky man. He

(10:00):
had purchased some very unique Halloween candy to give out
to the Little Children's ribbon candy. Oh oh no, and
not circus peanuts either, And I figured, as long as
we're blowing up pallettes, let's just ruin it. Fingers, would
you say that the Reese's Peanut Butter Cup is the

(10:23):
finest candy in all the land?

Speaker 2 (10:26):
One of them?

Speaker 1 (10:27):
Yes, you would.

Speaker 2 (10:28):
It's a top fiver, it's a top three, and the
other two are in the Reese's family, which are the
Reeses Peanut Butter Easter Egg and the Reese's Peanut Butter
Jack o Lantern. Oh nice, much more peanut butter.

Speaker 1 (10:45):
The peanut butter cup, then the kit kat is in
the top three, and then uh, the Hershey's Crackle.

Speaker 2 (10:55):
You just wanted to say, crackle?

Speaker 1 (10:56):
Really? Can I say one thing before you continue? Yeah?

Speaker 2 (10:58):
I was at a gas station today.

Speaker 1 (11:00):
Wait, hold on this justin breaking news. We go now
to Fingers boy in the field.

Speaker 2 (11:07):
Fingers, they had a display at the register. I believe
I didn't look at it too closely. Because I didn't
want to buy it a half a pound of Reese's
peanut butter cups, but there were only two cups there were,
and there were it was twenty dollars. I almost bought
it just for the show. That's I Got You beat.

Speaker 1 (11:30):
Because what would happen if somebody added jelly to Terese's
peanut butter cup. I'm listening this right here is Reese's
peb and j Reese's decided, Hey, how about we ruin
your childhood and we'll take a perfect candy. By the way,

(11:52):
smell the bag, smell in.

Speaker 2 (11:56):
I can't tell if that's wonderful or awful.

Speaker 1 (11:59):
Right, this is insane. They've got it in grape, Oh yes,
right there? And then uh then a strawberry. Oh right,
theree you get it, I'll get you in the one.
This isn't a Jersey diner. They have no orange marmalade.
So the grape and the mar and the marmalade and
the strawberry.

Speaker 2 (12:18):
Era.

Speaker 1 (12:19):
Now we have had this conversation peanut butter and jelly,
strawberry or or or grape, and I I have said,
quite clearly, quite clearly, it's the strawberry. I would always
be a man of strawberry over over grape. But hell,
if we're gonna ruin this stuff, let's just ruin it together. Okay,
So what are we doing first? I'm doing greape first? Grape, grape,

(12:42):
grape for it right there? It is there, it is. Yeah,
of course it was grape ape, wasn't there? Cars My god,
how'd you grow up? What happened in Saginaw? Show me
on the doll where they hurt you?

Speaker 2 (12:56):
Not watching grapeape?

Speaker 1 (12:57):
Do you think that it's just in the middle or
do you think are you gonna bite or you're gonna
do it all one bite?

Speaker 2 (13:03):
Normally I would put both of them in my mouth
at the same time. I think it's gonna be like
the caramel cup, where it's gonna be a layer of
jelly on top of the peanut butter.

Speaker 1 (13:15):
Before we eat this. We can agree this is an
awful idea, and the people at Reese's have overstepped and
know it's an apology.

Speaker 2 (13:21):
I'm not agreeing with you on any of this. This
maybe wonderful, all.

Speaker 1 (13:25):
Right, we're going at the same time. Yeah, because that's
good for radio. Huh. You you know you age before beauty?
There it is up. He looks confused. Is it? Is
it built in? Is it like mixed in? It's not
a ribbon of jelly.

Speaker 2 (13:42):
The grapes on the bottom.

Speaker 1 (13:44):
Oh is it?

Speaker 2 (13:46):
And it's it's it's it's not good.

Speaker 1 (13:53):
It's not good. I ate the rest of it in
spite in protests. Mm hmmm, why can't we? Oh? Oh
my god, I swear to you. For a second, I
thought he was gonna puke. I thought fingers was gone.

(14:13):
That's it's not great. It's unfortunate. Oh it's not great.
Gin a napkin or a bag.

Speaker 2 (14:20):
Oh, someone's house is gonna get egged.

Speaker 1 (14:22):
Oh, I'll do a strawberry one.

Speaker 2 (14:26):
I hope it's better. You finished it, well, of course
I did. It's candy, so this has to be better, right,
it has to be It has to be better. Oh
it is, Okay, it is, Yes it is.

Speaker 1 (14:45):
But there's no point in this. There's no point to this.
This isn't cute. Don't screw with perfection. The strawberry one's better. Yeah.
The grape is really over wwhelming sweet, but not in
a grape way, more in a Hey. I don't know

(15:06):
what that chemical is, but put it in here. Let's
see what happens. I'll tell you what.

Speaker 2 (15:10):
It tastes like.

Speaker 1 (15:10):
The strawberries tastes like strawberries. The snosberries tastes like snowsberries.
It tastes like.

Speaker 2 (15:17):
Your mom wanted you to take some grape cough syrup,
but you wouldn't take it because you know how awful
that grape cough syrup tastes. So she put some chocolate
in peanut butter around it to make it more palatable.
It tastes like medicine.

Speaker 1 (15:34):
Yeah, I think the bigger story here is that you
took perfect candy and you said, how can we and
fill in the blank. You know what it is. I'll
tell you. It's a destruction of good will, is what
it is. Racist.

Speaker 2 (15:48):
It is a quick cash grab. It's like caddy shack too.
That's what that is right there. It's caddy shack too
in candy form.

Speaker 3 (15:59):
It's we have something perfect, we can't just be happy
with it.

Speaker 1 (16:05):
So what we're.

Speaker 3 (16:05):
Doing is we're going to flood the market with something
else because maybe people are a little bit bored a
caddy shack.

Speaker 1 (16:13):
Let's give them caddy shack too.

Speaker 2 (16:16):
And we'll make it a little familiar. We'll put Chevy
Chase in it, but it's still awful.

Speaker 1 (16:23):
How many years have we been doing the show? Six
six seven six six seven is the kids? Wou'd say
that might be the funniest thing you've ever said on
the show. Ever, how to take us this loan to
get a caddy jack Too reference Starry Jackie Mason as

(16:45):
Rodney Dangerfield. Tell me I'm wrong, Well, it's that our
godfather three. Take your pack? No oh oh, oh, you
know what to do? You know what this is. It's
it's cruel and I'm not a prank guy, but you
give this to your friend. Hey, here's a peanut butter cup.

(17:05):
He got an ext one, probably instilled it from the kids, wink, wink,
And then then you give them that and then you
laugh and laugh and laugh as they run puking. And
who doesn't love watching a good puke? Speaking of Caddy
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(17:28):
cigar Bourbon footy extravaganzel'm sony cats that right there is
fingers maloy from cle We are smoking the Asylum zero.
We cleaned out the class kids, cleaned out the humid or,
cleaned out of the liquor cabinet. And this is a
flavored cigar from cle the Asylum zero. It's the Toro
six by fifty Madua wrapper hun Duran Piro, the wrapper,

(17:51):
the binder, and the filler. Uh. Not where I live
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(18:35):
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But I love the notes of tobacco. I love finding
that coco or that coffee, understanding what that berry is,
under picking up whether it's a grass or a hay,
or the seed or other woods. And this is sweet.

(18:57):
You talk about one of those Vanilla starbu strinks that
you get over the over the counter, that you know,
the little bottles, there's a little bit of tea going
on on the nose there with this, there is a
little bit of ninings. But there is an artificiality that
I'm never ever gonna get over, and I'm not one
hundred percent sure I can finish it.

Speaker 2 (19:18):
I'll finish it like I did the grape Reese's peanut
buttercup right up. But having said that, the artificialness that
you're referring to, I completely agree with you. It is
dissipating a little bit. But you know, the first third
of this cigar, when you're trying to enjoy a draw,

(19:38):
that artificial flavor just lingers on your lips and your tongue,
and it takes a long time for it to dissipate,
it to go away. It's It's not something that I
would gravitate to, but I understand it.

Speaker 1 (19:54):
It's place in the market, yes, which is really kind
of what's important here, what we're discussing.

Speaker 3 (20:00):
There.

Speaker 1 (20:00):
There is a place for near everything. There is a
smoker for near everything. You know. This is if I
could say this about cle and I wonder if Christian
Nero would be bothered by this. Maybe not. Cl is
a lot of things to a lot of people, so
I would argue that they have a very different philosophy.

(20:21):
Then let's say, you know the interview I did with
Michael Herklott at Farry Otago. We play the hits, and
we play them well, and we've got these core lines,
and we just do these core lines well, and every
now and again we throw out a new single. But
in the main we come to do this. You know
exactly what you're getting and exactly why we're providing it.

(20:43):
And we're not interested in providing the next new thing
and the next new thing. We're interested in providing the hits,
these things that we do, in doing them exceptionally well.
There is a math to both. There is There is
a math to both there and there is a marketplace
for the flavored cigar. And we should be clear the

(21:05):
marketplace is not just women. I think some people see that,
you know, oh oh, you want to smoke a cigar,
a little lady. And by the way, if you're ever
using the expression a little lady and you're not talking
to a three year old, it's that's that's just terrible.
That's it. You have to do better because honestly, it's
the cliche that's just so gross. Uh. And and you're

(21:27):
there is a market for these people, there is an
interest for these people. These these are fun things, and
someone's gonna do something for just a one off or
someone just wants to be part of it. Right, I
get it. I'm not gonna say no. For me, I
cannot go on.

Speaker 2 (21:43):
No and I and I get what you're saying. And
I admire, you know, companies that are willing to try
new things. You know, I was struggling. I was like,
what what have we done? And it was the serenity now, uh,
insanity later. Ah, That's why I was almost like, I know,
we've done other asylum before.

Speaker 1 (22:00):
Those weren't flavored.

Speaker 2 (22:01):
No, those weren't flavored. We loved what they did. Yeah
with that, and you know, big fans, it is just
this wasn't We're not in their customer wheelhouse with his
cigar fingers melloy.

Speaker 1 (22:16):
Is this the asylum eight six seven zero? I believe
it's eight six seven is what they call it. And
all the kids are gonna be excited because it's six
seven Uh. Is this in your humidor for eleven dollars?
No mine either? Is it a bad price for eleven dollars?
I have no way of telling. Okay, I can't tell.

Speaker 2 (22:36):
Here's where I will throw an olive branch out and
say it is in my humidor if it's for someone else,
if it's for someone that doesn't smoke cigars, but it's
cigar curious, okay, cigar questioning, Yes, exactly.

Speaker 1 (22:53):
Cigar a fluid.

Speaker 2 (22:54):
I could see having this in your humidor for someone
like that. I was, okay, you know, Uh, this is
a cigar that's very popular, this style of cigar. Try
this and see what you think. They try it, they
like it, then maybe maybe you've got them into the
lifestyle at that point, then they can broaden their horizons

(23:15):
and go into a different direction.

Speaker 1 (23:17):
I'm gonna brought my horizons in about four minutes. Wow. Yeah,
it's just so not me. And I want to be clear.
This has nothing to do with Cla z Row which
is the name of the cigar at all I have
their stuff and the human art. I have some of
the ero stuff. I like them. Just I tried. I

(23:40):
wanted to try. I wanted to be pleasantly surprised. I
was neither pleasantly nor surprised with that. We move into
news of the week.

Speaker 2 (23:51):
Well, there were surprises over at the newsroom at CBS
Tony CNBC and actually the Daily Mail has the story
CBS Saturday Day Morning. They're anchors, Michelle Miller and Dana
Jacobson were given pink slips. It's been part of a
really a cost cutting measure over at Paramount sky Dance,

(24:12):
the parent company of CBS. Uh, they are really cutting back.
They're gonna it looks like they're gonna lay off two
thousand people across the organization. That was just released in
an email on Wednesday.

Speaker 1 (24:29):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (24:31):
Yeah, But we talked about this a couple of weeks
ago with NBC and NBC News and Missed Now and
the whole network that they're spinning off and that could
be part of MSNBC anymore, and it's gonna be MS now.
We're seeing a whole reorganization of newsrooms and the tightening

(24:54):
of the belts. These news organizations continue to shrink, and
you seem very surprised, Tony. Yeah, yeah, what's what's what's.

Speaker 1 (25:12):
What else you got? I single family, rent? No, no, no, no, no, no,
I can't. I can't seem to bring myself to care.
Oh listen, people lose jobs and and and that's things.

(25:34):
And I'm not in very few cases am I hoping
somebody loses their job. Uh, it's It's just that when
it happens in the news industry, I'm told what a
big deal it is. When happens in any other industry,
I'm told those people should learn to code. And so
I'm not I won't bring myself to shed tears at

(25:57):
all for the news industry. Of course, you're losing jobs.
The whole world is changing. The industry has changed, and
you're not vaunted because you haven't taken care of us.
And we should not care. If a if a news
outlet which gave us dan rather and so desperately, I mean, listen,

(26:19):
he made up stories about George Bush and they engaged
in editing a video of Donald Trump. This isn't about
your politics, It's about what they did. And now they're
they're losing jobs because people are going on the places,
sponsors are going other places, and technology is coming in. Yeah,
and and maybe maybe it does get personal for me.

(26:39):
And I shouldn't be a guy who engages this personally.
I should be like, yes, well, you know, the industry changes,
but there is a little bit of personal in it
for me in that these people they didn't take care
of the American people. Well, so I'm not going to
say anything except I hope it all works out.

Speaker 2 (26:59):
I prefer it when you do take it personally.

Speaker 1 (27:01):
Well then, uh, then I'll get to that next. Fingers Maloy,
There are allegedly things that men do with a midlife crisis,
things they do in a midlife crisis, things they do
when they're around a midlife crisis.

Speaker 2 (27:20):
Is that true or is that just a media narrative.

Speaker 1 (27:25):
Oh? I think it's probably true.

Speaker 2 (27:27):
Huh what if your whole life has been a crisis,
almost your entire life.

Speaker 1 (27:32):
Pretty sure you do a radio showing podcast. There it
is d Drink Smoke im Tony Katz, and that is
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you have fingers Malo.

Speaker 2 (27:47):
There's sometimes Tony where I just sit back and want
to veg out.

Speaker 1 (27:51):
You're like, I need a magazine to help me through this.

Speaker 2 (27:54):
And thank god we have veg Out mag Dot. Come
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Speaker 1 (28:02):
All I know is saying the words vetg out mag
sounds dirty.

Speaker 2 (28:07):
It does a little bit, It's not right a little bit.

Speaker 1 (28:10):
Eight purchases men make that screen midlife crisis louder than
a red sports card. And we have discussed the fact
that I will speak for myself, but I think I
do speak for fingers. Neither one of us went through
a midlife no, neverse not. But I do find the
whole Well, we'll get into this. I will hold my

(28:31):
tongue until we get into this list because I do
have a bone to pick with one of the narratives
about a midlife crisis. By the way, we switch cigars
to the Oliva or Oli a v A Millennio Robusto,
which I always keep in the humid or love you
c L will always smoke your products, just not the
flavor is what it is, nothing more, nothing less, so

(28:53):
here's the list. Eight things that prove a what is
that a mid life crisis? Yes, more than a read
sports car? The home gym that costs more than a car,
like if you get like the full peloton ecosystem.

Speaker 2 (29:13):
Sometimes what oh do I look like I bought.

Speaker 1 (29:17):
A home gym? Looking like you bought a home gym
has nothing to do with whether or not you bought
a home Jim, I.

Speaker 2 (29:22):
Have not bought a home gym.

Speaker 1 (29:23):
But what bothers me?

Speaker 2 (29:24):
Because I've had this discussion with female friends who were younger,
who when they see a man in his fifties with
a sports car, they say, nice car, Sorry about your
and it's like the go down the whole midlife crisis thing,
and it's like, listen, I tried to explain to them,
for a lot of guys who are passionate about vehicles, okay,

(29:48):
they can't afford a sports car when they're in their
twenties and thirties because a lot of times they're raising
a family and can't get that sports car. It's not
a midlife price. It's this I can finally afford it
inserts sports car here.

Speaker 1 (30:01):
But you're the first person I ever really say that
to me. In that way. You know, I was, I
was thinking about a Mustang, and I was like, I
don't know if I could be a guy who gets
away with a Mustang. He's like, would you just shut
your stupid dirty mouth and get a Mustang already? And
you're you're right, And I didn't buy a Mustang. But
the point is, but did you get the home gym?

(30:24):
I sure did, and I got it with the extra
fluffy cushion. The point is, you're absolutely right. The the
who cares? Who cares what somebody else is going to get?
They don't know anything about life. It's and it's meaningless.
So sometimes the midlife crisis conversation is nothing more than
the midlife opportunity conversation. That's a good way to put

(30:44):
it right, and there's nothing nothing wrong with that. Uh,
You've you've engaged your responsibilities. You have succeeded in providing
to the best of your ability to your responsibilities. Now
you can change those responsibilities, go have fun. The sudden
Vinyl collection Also, I don't think there's anything to do

(31:05):
with the midlife crisis. I think this just means your
pretentious as hell. No man, Seriously, Vinyl has such a
richness to the sound. You can't get that from digital, man,
Only vinyl can do it. Here listen by Steely dan Man.
Listen to it in vinyl. If you listen to it digital,
you might as well just poke yourself in the eye
with a hot stick. Oh my god, so great on

(31:26):
the vinyl, Man, I got this needle from Turkmenistan. It
took four different specialized priests in order to make it.
I had to sacrifice two cows in order to get
this done. Man, this is awesome. He said that to nobody,
by the way, because who would hang out with him?
Although that said, I do like vinyl. I think it sounds. Ah.

Speaker 2 (31:48):
I will say this about vinyl, and it has nothing
to do with the sound quality. Gen X is kind
of the last generation that had the vinyl, and then
you morphed into the CDs and now we're completely into
the digital world. There was something about running and getting
that record album and then opening up the in the
you know, looking at the jacket and seeing the tracks.

(32:11):
Maybe the lyrics were the whole thing was like a
whole It was exciting. Oh those were the days, Tony.

Speaker 1 (32:17):
There's no way to explain to somebody who was not
in gen X, the idea of your Walkman and cassette tapes,
and then realizing that in a CD you could skip
to the next song yep, and then you could go
back whoop. That was revelatory revelation. Do you know what

(32:39):
it was like with an eight track? And you couldn't
just take the pencil and rewind the song in the cassette? No, no, no,
you had to listen to the whole crap album to
get back to the song you wanted.

Speaker 2 (32:49):
It's true. And the other thing too about the CD
was being able to put a track on repeat right.
You can't do that with a record album. You have
to get up, walk all the way over, pick up
the arm, put the needle back on the try and
of course you can't do it perfectly. I'm not a DJ,
I'm not Wolfman Jack, and so you got to put
it back on the line just right to be able

(33:10):
to hear the song perfectly again.

Speaker 1 (33:11):
Correct answer we were looking forward was Alan Freed.

Speaker 2 (33:13):
Oh, Alan Freed, Okay, I'll try better next time.

Speaker 1 (33:21):
The motorcycle he's afraid to ride. No, that's not a
midlife crisis, that's being a schmuck. What's the point that's
being a schmuck.

Speaker 2 (33:31):
I don't understand the point to to be able to
brag your friends you have a motorcycle, don't get one.
Just don't get one. Get the sports car. You can
find one vintage that you know isn't a classic for
the same price as a motorcycle, easily, just get the car.

Speaker 1 (33:50):
But do But do you know anybody who's done that.
I mean we're talking an acdotally, of course. Do you
know anybody who's bought a motorcycle is like, I just
have it to have it? Know me?

Speaker 2 (34:00):
Either, what's the I can understand buying a motorcycle before
you go through what you should do, which is gets
go and get safety training and take the classes. And
you bought it for some reason before you took the
classes and then realized, oh my gosh, this is not

(34:22):
for me. Okay, you made a mistake. But to buy
one just to tell your friends you have a motorcycle
and then you're scared to ride it. That what a waste. Yeah,
and by the way, riding a motorcycle is freaking awesome.

Speaker 1 (34:35):
Yeah, I'm never gonna do it, never going to do it.
And then here's one the watch that cost his kids
yearly tuition. Nope. Now, you guys know I work with
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Speaker 2 (35:13):
I love what they do, love it.

Speaker 1 (35:15):
Yes, I've got a Rolex there, so actually, right there,
I've got a Tutor. I've got a rare Tutor, which
is like a baby Rolex, the Advisor, which actually has
an alarm in. It's a ringing bell in the watch. Nice,
it's super cool. A first real time piece I had
is a nineteen fifty nine Hamilton Phinematic. I mean I
do have a small collection. There is nothing wrong with

(35:37):
having the one time purchase of the sub Mariner, or
of the Autumnar or of maybe for you it's a
tag write a little bit less expensive there, there's nothing
wrong with that. This has to do with whether or
not you have fulfilled your responsibilities and you are rewarding
yourself there is nothing wrong with the reward, and that's
to make this piece. This piece is dopey. This piece

(36:00):
is saying you shouldn't enjoy the things you enjoy. They
should kiss off.

Speaker 2 (36:03):
Well, the only thing I will say, judge out, and
that's what they should do. But having said that, I
will say, if you are choosing to watch over providing
for your family, then that's.

Speaker 1 (36:13):
Oh big freaking problem.

Speaker 2 (36:15):
That's that's a problem.

Speaker 1 (36:16):
Yes, that's that could be crisis. Yes, I know I
have to feed you, but I'd rather have this decoration
on my wrist. Yeah, that's that's not even a mid
life crisis. That's just not being a man.

Speaker 2 (36:30):
Five thirty is dinner time. I know it's five thirty,
but unfortunately we don't.

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(38:02):
told you that I cleaned out the human or yes,
you did cleaning out the closets.

Speaker 2 (38:09):
Clean out your closet too.

Speaker 1 (38:10):
Getting rid of the things that have been in the
human or have been in the liquor cabinet. We've all
been there. You're like, I have not had this yet.
It has been years or it has been months, and
I just avoid it and I move on to something else,
and I just side in my head and there's something
wrong with it, but I yet don't have the mental
discipline to get rid of it. It's like me with
my roller blades. It is God, I was gonna say that,

(38:35):
sn you read my mind. I've got powers, tea drinks,
smoke com Tony Kats, And that is America's favorite amateur drinker,
Fingers molloy. There is a group called Old fifty five.
Old fifty five Distillery. They're good people. Jason Fruits, that
whole team, they're really absolutely excellent, and they do some beautiful, beautiful,

(38:56):
beautiful bourbons. They're the single barrels. They do a sweet
Horn bourbon and then they do this the Wabash cannonball. Now,
I must admit the level I know about the Wabash
Cannonball is zero, because this is not a bourbon. This
is an American whiskey. All bourbons are whiskeys, but not
all whiskies are bourbons. The Wabash cannibal our cannonball, thank

(39:19):
you very much, is named after a song, Oh the
good people at Crowned Heads who we love and adore
had a cigar, the Wabash cannonball. So this is named
after a song, a country music song that's out there.
I think it goes back to like nineteen oh three,

(39:42):
is what doesn't say? It's had like a host of
other names. So that's the name of this Old fifty five.
It's the Wabash Wabash Cannonball. The Wabash River is a
river in Indiana. The problem is I started looking for
information about this. What could I learn about this this whiskey?

(40:05):
And I found zero? Nothing on the Old fifty five
Distillery dot com website, nothing in form of a review. Zero.
I don't know where I got it. I don't know
how long I've had it. I do know it was
never opened until we opened it right now, Fingers Maloy so.

Speaker 2 (40:25):
What say you, let's go for it. So this would
be like eight years old, right for all we.

Speaker 1 (40:30):
Know as far, I have no idea when this came out,
no clue in the slightest. What I do know is
that is a very light color. That is a very
that is like water down apple juice. I was gonna say,
light beer, right, light beer. That nicely done, well played
right there, and I'm going to say no viscosity, very

(40:51):
very non thick. And as for the nose, that's a
that's a fair amount of all children. Wow, that's a
that's a fair amount of Hey, how would you like
to how'd you like to be noticed? Huh?

Speaker 2 (41:11):
Are you getting orchard too?

Speaker 1 (41:13):
There is definitely a fruit going on for sure. Now.

Speaker 2 (41:17):
I was like, I don't want to say green apple,
but it.

Speaker 1 (41:23):
You are on fire today. The orchard's really good. The
green apple I don't know about. Wow.

Speaker 2 (41:29):
And yeah, there's ethanol there.

Speaker 1 (41:31):
The athanol is a presence?

Speaker 2 (41:33):
Is that old?

Speaker 1 (41:33):
But orchard is right? I don't I don't am nowhere
near oak on this from all fifteen When you have
to say is that oak? Yeah, it's probably not oak.
It's probably like an oak veneer. Wow. Right, that's like saying,
is that oak and then you realize you're in Ikea.
It doesn't it's not oak. But honestly, the ethanol is

(41:57):
really there. But it is. Orchard's really good. There's a
fruit and as it stays in the in the nose,
it gets a little thicker, gets a little richer. It's interesting.
Fingers boy, I have no idea. All I know it's
forty percent alcohol by volume for eighty proofs and no
applause from fingers mo oy. It doesn't plug for anything
that isn't at least one hundred proof. But uh, you

(42:17):
you ready for this?

Speaker 2 (42:18):
Been ready for this all day.

Speaker 1 (42:20):
Fingers moy is doing what's known as the Kentucky chew
right there on the old fifty five wabash, a cannonball
American whiskey, moving the juice around the palate, getting a
feel for it. I like the two SIPs method, the
first zip to set the taste buds and the second
sip to really get an idea of where those flavors are.
Fingers is going back in, ladies and gentlemen. This is

(42:40):
a first. He's going back in for a second sip.
Wait this just in that's not a first. He does
that very often. Why why though, Okay, all right.

Speaker 2 (42:53):
I don't know what's going on here.

Speaker 1 (42:58):
Why I have.

Speaker 2 (43:01):
It's that orchard is there almost like an apple. It's
still there. It's still there. To me, there's an oak.
There is a hint. And I'm going back and forth.
And I shouldn't be going back and forth over these two,
but I am a hint of either vanilla or honey.

(43:22):
It's so it's it's it's not pronounced. It's not something
that punches you in the face. It's it's a hint.
There is very little sting, a little uh sting on
the tongue, very little warmth in the chest. And yeah,
I think that's all I got.

Speaker 1 (43:41):
Wait, it's not vanilla and honey. It's vanilla or honey.

Speaker 2 (43:45):
It must be both. I'm going back and forth on it.
It's probably both, but it's so subtle, Tony, there's there's
nothing about this for me other than that orchard at
the beginning that hits me and that oak at the end.
And so that's that's what I'm going with. We'll go with.
I'm gonna orchard, little honey, little vanilla, and.

Speaker 1 (44:06):
I'm going in the old fifty five wabash, cannonball, American whiskey.

Speaker 2 (44:11):
He's going in ladies and gentlemen, and he is doing
what we like to call sagonna swish, the Memphis munch,
the wah bash wah wah.

Speaker 1 (44:24):
First, let me say that the ethanol is not what
you're gonna get when you drink it. It's warm, but
it's not spicy. The fruit is absolutely there. That's uh huh.
That's juicy fruit. That is juicy fruit that lays on

(44:48):
the tongue. That's what that flavor is. Right, This is
very very you said green apple. I think green apple
is a kind of a unique kind of way to
view things. I'm going more just in a generalized apple,
but it is that orchard esk, juicy fruit kind of
thing that's laying down. I actually think this would be

(45:09):
solid on a cube. I mean, wait, don't be wrong,
it could get totally washed out on a cube. By
the way. To finish, heat in the cheek, nothing in
the throat, nothing, zero in the chest. Zero maybe the
slightest hint of something. Because I brought it up, I
incepted myself it's.

Speaker 2 (45:24):
In the cheek, so I wanted to, you know, look up.

Speaker 1 (45:27):
It may be the most subtlest of chocolates.

Speaker 2 (45:30):
That's interesting. I wanted to look up the flavor for
a profile juicy fruit, just to refresh my memory because
it's been a long time. A blend of bananas, pineapple,
and other tropical fruits like lemon, orange, and peach.

Speaker 1 (45:42):
Yeah, it's nothing like juicy fruit. That's what it reminded
me of.

Speaker 2 (45:48):
That's it's interesting.

Speaker 1 (45:54):
It is. Its problem is how is it's it's it's
This is gonna sound dumb. It's a little one dimensional,
it's a little thin. But again, it's not bourbon, so
Lord only knows the amount of time it's spent in
a barrel or anything else. So there's a level of

(46:15):
complexity that I don't know why it's. It shouldn't be there,
should it not? Don't have the answer. The old fifty five.
I do like Old fifty five. I like those guys
quite a bit. This is the Wabash cannon ball. If
you find it, try it. By the way, I don't
even know how much it costs a bottle. I don't
know where I found it. We're just cleaning out the

(46:36):
liquor cabinet and we decided let's drink it. We informed
everybody that things are tough in the bourbon world. But
sometimes things are happening that have nothing to do with
what's making things tough in the bourbon worlds Eat, drink, smoke.
I'm Tony Katz. That right there is America's favorite amateur drinker.
Fingers molloy. You may have heard the story that Karen

(46:59):
is considered during a sale of four roses selling the
brand the I mean four freaking' roses for a billion dollars.
Now you say, oh my gosh, a billion dollars, I say,
I think that would have been well over a billion
just five years ago. It's four roses. I mean, the

(47:19):
small Batch Select is still in my top five. I
love the small Batch Select. It's an incredible thing to
think that they would unload it. But sometimes a conversation
like that, while they're going to get less now than
they would have I say, five years ago, a conversation
like that is because Kieran has its own issues. Kieran

(47:40):
sees things going in a different direction. Businesses of that size,
of that magnitude, Fingers, they make moves all the time
based on needs that we don't quite understand and we
don't quite know.

Speaker 2 (47:50):
Yeah, it's just we're documenting this over the course of
the last few years. It's it's amazing, you know, the
struggles that the bourbon industry has gone through between supply
chain issues in COVID and oh my gosh, there gonna
be a shortage of barrels because business is so red
hot to now all of a sudden, you're seeing distilleries

(48:11):
filing for bankruptcy, closing up shop in just a blink
of an eye, and you wonder if we've reached the
floor yet or if it's going to go even lower
for the bourbon industry.

Speaker 1 (48:23):
So that's one story, and people could say, ooh, there's
something up with bourbon. Not necessarily we don't know yet,
we don't have enough data yet to tell us. Then
we have the story of Uncle Nearest. So the brand
Uncle Nearest and Uncle nearst is a really interesting story
because the brand is based on the slave that taught
Jack Daniels how to be a distiller. Now, to the

(48:45):
extent that the story is true or not true or
anything else, I'll let others play in that game. And
Nearest became Jack daniels first master distiller. Right, that's the story,
and everything else I'm just saying, I don't know how
much is on n percent perfectly accurate. They faced Chapter
eleven bankruptcy and that means a forced asset sale as well.

(49:12):
You could argue, man, this says a lot about what's
going on in Bourbon. This is one of those moments'
fingers where the things we say have to be very
very clear and very very general because it could get
you very very sued in a very very court of law.
Go on, you understand what I'm saying, Yes, as long
as we all understand what we're saying. There's a lot

(49:34):
of stories about whether or not Uncle Nearest was run properly,
and we have all seen businesses that have been mismanaged.
I cannot prove by any stretch that there was any mismanagement,
and I am not making that accusation. I don't know.
I don't have any inside knowledge. What I do know
is that they are selling off non core assets. The

(49:58):
story from the street at dot com It includes French vineyards,
a Cognact, chateau and other real estate to try and
get things stabilized. So let's go back into why does
Uncle Nears own a French vineyard, a Cognact chateau and
what other real estate. One could argue it's because they
were going to build the brand out and they built

(50:19):
too fast. They ran before they knew how to walk,
and they didn't have the financial leverage in the bourbon industry. Whoop,
the bottom fell out and they're like, oh crap, we
can't make this debt payment. I can't imagine what the
debt structure is on the thing. It could be something else, fingers.
So here's two really interesting stories that may have nothing

(50:41):
to do with where bourbon is, except we know where
bourbon is and it's not in a great spot. It's
crazy these two stories are up.

Speaker 2 (50:50):
It is, but it does a lend for us to
have a topic that we can widely speculate.

Speaker 1 (50:56):
Ladies and gentlemen's time for eat, drink, smokes while speculation.

Speaker 2 (51:01):
So here's his first speculat. No, I'm not gonna do
any of that because I don't want to get sued. No,
but you do bring up a good point, because let's
just let's talk about another bourbon company that doesn't exist,
Billy's Bourbon Company. Say, it had a long history. The
name was synonymous with with whiskey and bourbon, and then

(51:26):
all of a sudden it's facing financial troubles and it
may have been mismanaged. You may be able to get
way away with some of that in a world where
Bourbon is hot.

Speaker 1 (51:38):
Yes, that is so beyond accurate. And I have had
a couple of people engage that conversation with me that
if all was good in Bourbon and people are still
buying it flying off the shelves, it's possible some of
the issues would never be seen, or the issues could
be seen as oooh, all right, but the sales are good.
We'll work our way out of this. What is good

(52:00):
at what is possible in a good cycle, and what
happens in a bad cycle, and how you prepare for
those things. That is a thousand percent accurate as an observation, fingers.

Speaker 2 (52:11):
And it's not a fair comparison because we're talking apples
and oranges. But you look at other industries, other companies
that take Amazon for example, that's raking in you know,
record profits, they're also looking to cut jobs, cut fat.
If you're being mismanaged, especially in a time of red
hot sales in your industry, where you should be trimming

(52:37):
some of the fat if you know it's there you
may not be able to survive if the business goes
in the tank.

Speaker 1 (52:44):
So I was doing a little more investigation, and so
they reported in twenty twenty two. I want to see.
I wonder what other numbers are out there in ten years.
By the way, they went from taking this couple went
from taking over the brand to opening their own distillery
in Shelbyville, Tennessee, Tennessee, and in twenty twenty two reported

(53:07):
one hundred million dollars in whiskey sales. Now sales is nonprofit,
get me wrong, but one hundred million dollars. And now,
according to a couple of reports, they're fighting the receivership.
They're saying no, no, no, no, no, We've got this. They've
taken a two and a half million dollar loans to
pay off some immediate debts and take care of some employees.

(53:27):
They've laid off twelve people over there. So it is
a still a developing story, and we may find out
more as more data comes out. Now, if you start
hearing about investigations, which I am not alleging in any way,
shape or form, that'll be something else too that adds

(53:50):
on to this. But we said might a gosh it
might have been just last week, and we certainly said
it the week before. Get ready, you're gonna see people
go under. You know, we knew that bourbon cells were down,
But for us, the the Canary and the coal mine
was Jack Daniels giving up their Cooperridge. When Jack said,

(54:12):
we're no longer gonna make our own barrels, We'll just
buy them on the market, when just two years before
you couldn't find a barrel. You couldn't find a barrel.
That was the Oh okay, things are different now, things
are really really different, and smaller makers are gonna have
a harder time if they're having a harder time get

(54:32):
it staying on the shelves and don't have the marketing budget,
and mismanaged companies are gonna get to your point, fingers
are gonna get totally exposed.

Speaker 2 (54:40):
So let's say the worst happens, and we're talking total liquidation,
business shuts down. Somebody's buying that name, right, I would assume.

Speaker 1 (54:48):
So now I say that with a caveat what if
there's no need? You would assume the name means something
in the name has value just for its history, and
someone might buy the name just to keep somebody else
from having the name. That's interesting, but it doesn't mean
that they'll do the bourbon, because they may have their

(55:10):
own bourbons to do in their own place on the shelf,
and they don't need They want to build more of
this juice that they have time, will time, eat, drink?
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They're they're they're they're not running out of copies. They're
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with the Asylum eight six seven zero and it is
a flavored cigar from cle and the CLA people are fantastic,
but neither one of us could finish the flavorite cigar.
It's just we were cleaning out the closets. That's how

(56:13):
the whole day as begun. What has been stuck in
the human or what has been stuck in the liquor
cabinet that we have had? I've had for forever, and
I don't even know how I got them, and it's
time either smoke them, drink them, or throw them away.
What are we doing here? Or gift it? My gosh,
but it's just sitting there. So I decided to pull
them out. So we had the zero there, the asylum zero.

(56:35):
It's it's not just not where we live and breathe
in flavored cigars eleven dollars a stick and might be
your cup of tea, but just was not not where
we played. And then this from Old fifty five, which
is a distillery out of Indiana, Old fifty five five
to five Old five five Distillery dot com. Jason Fruits,
great guy, great team over there. This was their Wabash Cannonball.

(57:00):
Now Wabash Cannonball is a song. It's a country song
from like the early nineteen hundreds. The guys over a
crowned heads have a cigar. The Wabash cannonball and they've
got this. This is a whiskey. This is an American
whiskey right here. A lot of orchard was in this.
And I had said juicy fruit, and then Fingers said,
it doesn't sound like juicy fruit, because I'm a juicy

(57:20):
fruit expert, and I got I have a certificate from
the online School of Juicy Fruit University, and that does
not sound like juicy fruit. So we might be right.
But it is definitely ethanol in the nose, definitely fruit
on the nose, and I think orchard fingers right call
there and that's what there was little thin is how
I described it.

Speaker 2 (57:41):
What's a new fingers for me? I put a little
bit of cool water in it. And Fruit University, of
course has a wonderful basketball team.

Speaker 1 (57:49):
Right they do.

Speaker 2 (57:50):
Having said that, I'm gonna be interested to see you
got it on a full rock there.

Speaker 1 (57:55):
Yeah, two actually very large chips. This isn't a rocks glass,
but it's it's what I had. It's like a it's
like one of those like tumblr mini like rocks glass
yetties your very wine mom, right now, I know, I know,
I want to walk around the neighborhood plain about people's kids.
That's what I'm gonna do.

Speaker 2 (58:13):
Get off that skateboard. You're on the sidewalk.

Speaker 1 (58:16):
I do not know how she lives in that house.
It is so small. I feel so bad for her
and her husband. Not a looker in the slightest. That's
your wine mom imitation. That is my that is my
all purpose imitation, which I can do unrelenting four hours.

Speaker 2 (58:36):
Just ask my wife, you want my wine mom imitation? Okay,
here it goes.

Speaker 1 (58:41):
My husband's such an idiot.

Speaker 2 (58:47):
There you go, Thank you. I'll be here all week.

Speaker 1 (58:50):
Try it's pretty good. That was pretty good. Hey, send
you a hate mail if you don't mind, to Adam
Carolla at yahoo dot com and uh and we'll get
we'll get right on that. He'll just forward it over
to us. So I've got mine on a cube. You've
got yours on a little bit of water. Right. So
this is forty forty forty percent alcoholic volume or eighty proof.

(59:12):
Water brings down proof, right, that's what it does. It
can open up your your bourbon or your whiskey. Some
flavors more pronounced, some more muted. I'll go first, I'll
go first. I'm on these. That's how you know it's fresh.

Speaker 2 (59:24):
I think you need to use that more often to
prove to folks that you're you at home, know, right
in the eye.

Speaker 1 (59:29):
I just flashed myself with it. Thank god you.

Speaker 2 (59:31):
Had your safety goggles on.

Speaker 1 (59:33):
Oh my husband, such an idiot. Look what he did.
Maybe if you had bought the nice rocks glasses. But no,
I look like a heathen.

Speaker 2 (59:46):
Oh you call that a rocks glass, do you?

Speaker 1 (59:50):
I guess you sound like Gaffigan. Here I go.

Speaker 2 (59:58):
He's going in lace and gentlemen, what do you think?

Speaker 3 (01:00:03):
No?

Speaker 1 (01:00:04):
It washed?

Speaker 2 (01:00:05):
Oh going in once again? Neat drink. So so.

Speaker 1 (01:00:12):
You might be right, as this is a water drink,
but it's it's that fruit, really is there? Oddly enough?
A little heat picked up? As it's gonna sound weird
because like I don't I I don't know the mash
bill on this. I don't even know the price. I
don't know if it's still offered. And I know the
guys at all fifty five are gonna listen to this
and immediately be like, oh my gosh, I should have

(01:00:34):
called it this and this and this. It's it's it's
not where my profile is in the slightest But like
depending on the price. I'd be very interested in the
price could tell me. I don't I don't know if
it stays in my liquor cabinet, but I think it

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is in somebody's liquor cabinet because there is this fruit thing,
and there is this it's a non cinnamon heat that's
now happening that wasn't happening before dead center chest. You're
you added a little bit of water. You go in
there right there, fingers melloy, and you give that a
try with a little bit of water. The old fifty five.

Speaker 2 (01:01:14):
For me, it brought out a little bit more that orchard.
There's a little oak at the end, you know where
it took away from. Noah, I said, there's It felt
like there's a little bit of honey, little vanilla that
kind of got muted. It brought up more of an
orchard for me, and a little bit more I'm thinking oak.
Here's what I will say. If you found this at

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your local liquor store and it was available, and it
was under forty dollars a bottle, I would grab it.
If you find it at your local lounge, they have it,
it's worth a poor You start talking about you know
price point, you know, fifty sixty seventy dollars a bottle.
I don't think so, but I think it's it's well

(01:01:58):
worth a try, especially if you find it at your
favorite lounge.

Speaker 1 (01:02:01):
Yeah, I'm gonna say it a little differently. And again,
these are guys I really like, and I like a
bunch of what they do. If you found it under
twenty five dollars a bottle, not forty, you found it
under twenty five dollars a bottle, I'd be like, yeah, sure,
I'm accounting for inflation, Tony. Yeah, I did too, you know.

(01:02:24):
And I could just be being a harsh in that regard.
It doesn't require that kind of of harshness to it.
It did play nice that I thought it would, it
really did. I think that the nose is a bit
confusing with that that level of ethanol that was in there.

(01:02:46):
And and I'm just I'm I'm a fan of them.
I have a lot of respect for those guys, So
I don't want to be, you know, too much, but
like they've got some really good bottled and bond product
and other things. Single product that's very much worthwhile. And
I would absolutely be somebody who recommends the old fifty
five brand for sure, Old fifty five Distillery dot com.

(01:03:10):
But it's time fingers, Molly, my gosh, we wasted a
lot of time. We really should learn how to focus.
We should have rehearsals. Time for News of the.

Speaker 2 (01:03:18):
Week, Tony Foo Fighters announced that they are going to
have a limited stadium tour in twenty twenty six. They're
going to have dates in Canada and the United States.
Oh and it appears Mexico City as well. You can
see them in Detroit, Chicago, Cleveland, but they're only doing
about what twelve fifteen shows. But it's the first tour

(01:03:40):
that they've done since their drummer passed away.

Speaker 1 (01:03:44):
Yeah, I think that people will still go, and I
think they'll still very much be able to hit the sound.
I think that life of that Taylor Hawkins, the late drummer,
is the kind of thing that still moves people, and
it moves them hard. If you don't know the story,
he was the drummer for Alanis more Set and then

(01:04:06):
got the chance to be in the Food Fighters and
I took it. And you know, you listen to Dave
Grohl discuss it, He's like that was like the glue
piece like that was the Okay, I had somebody who
understood the drive like I do, and then everything else
kind of fell into place. I think it's still gonna
be great shows. I think people are gonna enjoy the

(01:04:27):
daylights out of it.

Speaker 2 (01:04:28):
You've seen Food Fighters in counts, Yes, And I'm gonna
see him again next year. I already I already have
my tickets with time. You seen him, and I'm seeing
him at Ford Field and Detroit.

Speaker 1 (01:04:36):
Look at you, look at you.

Speaker 2 (01:04:39):
It's gonna be I haven't seen a stadium show we're
talking football stadium since Pink Floyd in nineteen ninety four,
so I'll be interested to see what it's like because
I've seen Food Fighters outdoors and that was a great show.

Speaker 1 (01:04:53):
That's right. They played a local ampitheater here. Yeah, I
should have gone fingers maloy. Were we or were we not?
Just moments ago on eat, drink smoke talking about the
changes at CBS.

Speaker 2 (01:05:11):
Uh, Yes we were, I think bringing back everybody loves
Raymond and were we or were we not?

Speaker 1 (01:05:17):
Or when I say we, I mean me saying, oh,
people are losing their jobs. Okay. I can't get worked
up about it, and I can't necessarily feel bad about it.
People lose their jobs sometimes that it's terrible. But if
this idea that somehow, because you work in a certain
industry you are immune or it's more damaging and more awful,
I find to be nonsensical.

Speaker 2 (01:05:38):
I believe you said learn to code.

Speaker 1 (01:05:41):
No, that's what they would say to me. Oh if
I lost my job, and right now, I would tell
anybody learn AI because that's what's doing all the coding.
It's eat, drink, smoke. I'm Tony Katz. That right there
is America's favorite amateur drinker, Fingers Maloy. Now you don't
know Fingers the way I know Fingers. When Fingers MOLOI

(01:06:02):
wants to speak to you, and let's see if I
will shock him with this because he doesn't know the story.
When Fingers wants to speak to you and Fingers want
it to be you know, a private conversation will go
no seriously. Oprah Gail True, Oprah Gail and Oprah is
Oprah Winfrey and Gail is Gail King from CBS. Gail

(01:06:26):
King will be leaving CBS News broke literally as we're
recording it. Broke. Barry Weis has taken over CBS large
scale changes are taking place. Barry Weiss was with The
New York Times, left the New York Times because the
New York Times wasn't interested in reporting in her view,

(01:06:46):
started something called the Free Press, became wildly popular, sold
to CBS, which is a group called sky Dance Now
that owns it one hundred and fifty million dollars, and
she took over as the executive editor of CBS News.
People are losing their minds, and you would think, well,
they're losing their minds because Barry Weiss is politically conservative
and CBS is politically liberal. No, no, no, Barry Weiss

(01:07:07):
is politically liberal. But she believes in actual news and
that's what has everybody in an uproar. Gail King expected
to depart. She's been hosting CBS Morning since twenty twelve,
will leave the show next year when her contract ends
in May. So was she told there will be no
contract extension or did she say I'm going out on

(01:07:30):
my own terms before I'm told there's no contract extension. Oh,
you know the answer to that question, I don't. I'm
fifty to fifty.

Speaker 2 (01:07:37):
Oh no, They're showing her the door. And this is
what I was going to ask you. This to me
feels like the grip that Oprah has on media has
has slowly slipped and has lessened to the point where
I don't think this could have happened five six years
ago or ten excuse me, ten years ago. Maybe not,

(01:07:59):
because they would have been too scared to take on Oprah.
But now they don't have a problem taking on Oprah.
And I think the only thing that they're doing with
this is showing Oprah the respect of letting a Gail
say that, Oh, you know what, I think I'm gonna
be leaving on my own terms.

Speaker 1 (01:08:14):
Here's the kicker about this story. She's seventy.

Speaker 2 (01:08:19):
Stop it.

Speaker 1 (01:08:21):
Oh my gosh, God bless you, Gail King, seventy That's amazing.
Never would have guessed that in a million years, Never
would have guessed that.

Speaker 2 (01:08:35):
So what's gonna happen over there?

Speaker 1 (01:08:38):
You know?

Speaker 2 (01:08:39):
You see these people being laid off, but they're still
gonna have these shows. We talked about the CBS Weekend
Morning Show. They've got what on Sunday, They've got Sunday
Morning with a what is it? Charles Carralt, Wow, what show?

Speaker 1 (01:08:57):
CBS Sunday Morning, CBS Sunday Morning with Johnny Knoxhill.

Speaker 2 (01:09:02):
Ah, that relieves is I don't think Charles is with
us anymore. But having said that, uh, they're still gonna
have these shows, right, or is it gonna shrink to
the point where these networks aren't going to have these
big Sunday morning shows anymore? And it's maybe I'll have
the news shows like Meet the Press and stuff like that,

(01:09:23):
but the kind of news magazine shows that you would
see on a Sunday morning, Are those gonna go by
the wayside? And we'll see repeats of everybody else?

Speaker 1 (01:09:32):
But I mean usually this is the conversation of his
Late Night gonna go by the wayside? And I argue, yes,
it will. There's a ROI conversation involved. And unless you're
gonna have Late Night that is actually about entertainment and
takes on all sides properly, in skewing all sides properly
and making the joke as opposed to engaging in the

(01:09:53):
ideological trafficking. Yes, it's gonna go. It's too costly. Are there?

Speaker 3 (01:09:58):
So?

Speaker 1 (01:09:58):
Gail King was the Monday through Friday show? But are
those shows gonna go? And I put forth to you, no,
I think that there's a lot of ego and prestige
wrapped up in them. It's like the sixty take sixty minutes.
Would sixty minutes go away? I don't think so. I
think there's still a great amount of Americans who rely

(01:10:18):
on sixty minutes, who see a value in it. And
I think that CBS, right, this is the nation. This
is the network that they called the Tiffany Network, like
this was, this is the Kreme de la creme. This
is started at all, if you will. I don't think
they would see themselves getting rid of of that program.

(01:10:40):
There's no need to. It still can generate news utilized
by the news department shared in that way. So no,
I don't think they get rid of Sunday shows either,
because news can be broken there and that's very valuable
for the product that drives are good. I one would
assume a good amount of revenue.

Speaker 2 (01:10:56):
So they used to call CBS the Tiffany Network. Well
now they're calling CBS News the Tiffany Network because they're
looking around in the newsroom and saying, I think we're alone.

Speaker 1 (01:11:05):
Now what I did there? Wow? I thought it was
going to be And they call ABC News that Debbie
Gibson them you could have gotten either way with that
joke and been all right with it. But this The
weirdest thing about this is that change happens and we
get shocked by it, like somehow these people will be

(01:11:27):
there forever. What is forever? What makes anybody think that
that's going to be the case? And the way The
question before us is do we get a better product?
And the answer to that comes with, well, I saw
this news report and I believe it to be true,
as opposed to I saw this news report and I

(01:11:48):
don't believe anything.

Speaker 2 (01:11:49):
And they tell me I don't think we're ever going
to get a better product ever?

Speaker 1 (01:11:52):
Again, do you really? I do?

Speaker 2 (01:11:55):
Because I don't think the American people want a better product.
They say they want a better produc.

Speaker 1 (01:12:00):
Everybody ad ea, drink Smoke Nation want it's a better product.
But here's the drink Smoke Nation a bunch of horrifying liars.

Speaker 2 (01:12:06):
I don't pretend that I can read each drink Smoke
Nation's minds like you can. I'm not pretending, But don't
you feel like when it comes to corporate media corporate news,
I said, for years I thought that the American people
wanted a network that played it straight down the middle.
Here's an anchor. You don't know what the anchor's politics are.

(01:12:28):
They will report the news, and then they'll have a
segment where they'll have a conservative on and a liberal on,
and they'll talk about the story and then let the
audience decide. I feel like now we're too far gone,
and I feel like now we're to the point where
Americans want to just be in whatever political bubble that
they are in, and they only want to be told

(01:12:49):
that their side is winning and the other side is losing.

Speaker 1 (01:12:57):
I it's it outrageously hard thing to disagree with what
we see every day. It's a hard thing to disagree with.
I would I look at this CBS move and Barry
Weiss running things, and I wonder, I mean, this is
this Could this be seen as the last gasp? If

(01:13:17):
it can't be done when you've got the full support
of the new owner of sky Dance. I forget his
first name, Ellison, the son of Larry Elison, the owner
of Oracle. If you've got all this and Barry Weiss
doesn't report to the president of CBS News, no no, no,
she reports to the boss, to the owner of the company.
If you can't make it happen with that, well, then okay,

(01:13:38):
you're probably right. You can't make it happen at all.
But the argument that America doesn't want it, I would
say that it's because America doesn't know that it's even possible,
because it hasn't happened. And what is more evil is
that there have been so many people in news who
are telling us, oh no, no, we're the real news

(01:13:59):
people who are the real journalists, and they flat out lied,
and they flat out manipulated and manipulated, they did these things.
So maybe just seeing it again will remind people of
what is possible. And nothing was ever perfect. Cronkite wasn't perfect,
but I would like to think that this opportunity can
create opportunity.

Speaker 2 (01:14:19):
Cronkite will look perfect today compared to.

Speaker 1 (01:14:21):
What we have true the old fifty five Wabash cannonball.
If you can find that American whiskey, try it for yourself.
And as for the Asylum eight sixty seven to one,
if you like a flavored cigar, give it a go.
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