The Draft Show: Buckle Up Buttercup

It's time to start the long journey ahead of the 2025 NFL Draft. Bryan Broaddus, Kyle Youmans, and Nick Harris return for the first episode of the offseason, while Voch Lombardi and Tommy Yarrish make their debut. Tune in for early "Pet Cats", the Dallas Cowboys needs, and the early identity of the 2025 NFL Draft class.

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Speaker 1 (00:03):
Is the Dallascowboys dot Com Draft Show, your war room
for insider news and draft analysis from deep within the
confines of Cowboys Headquarters at the Star Infrasco, and now
your host, Kyle Yeomans.

Speaker 2 (00:21):
Today is Tuesday, January seventh, twenty twenty five, and we
are officially one hundred and seven days away from the
twenty twenty five NFL Draft. As we welcome you to
the first episode of the Draft Show, presented by Miller Lyte,
live from the Star in Frisco, Texas and.

Speaker 3 (00:39):
The SWBC studios.

Speaker 2 (00:40):
It is show number one of forty shows over the
next couple of months to get you ready for the
NFL Draft. What is going to be a massive hull
for the Cowboys this year, and we've got a massive
crew to welcome in, some new.

Speaker 3 (00:54):
Faces, some returning faces.

Speaker 2 (00:56):
I call it the Avengers of draft coverage around Dallas
Cowboy Media.

Speaker 3 (01:00):
So lots to look forward to. I'm your host, Kyle Yeomans.

Speaker 2 (01:03):
This is my sixth season hosting the Draft Show in
some capacity. As we go into the draft again, we've
got Brian brought us. I put on our rundown that
this is your number one, thy three and twenty one,
covering the draft for Brian broad Us.

Speaker 3 (01:16):
Good to have you back, Thank you very much. I am.
I want to say this.

Speaker 4 (01:19):
You're gonna introduce some new cats to this thing. And
I wonder where the donuts are. Boys, You know what,
the other Scouts you got to bring the donuts and
the bagels.

Speaker 3 (01:27):
That's kind of a scouty tradition.

Speaker 4 (01:28):
When you show up at a school, you got to
bring donuts and bagels here.

Speaker 3 (01:32):
So we got to We've got some learning to do. Exact.

Speaker 5 (01:34):
There's a little bit of room over there.

Speaker 6 (01:36):
I will wrestle everybody up in here to not bring
no bagels donuts.

Speaker 5 (01:40):
Appreciate you off having it.

Speaker 3 (01:41):
We've got Votch Lombardi joining us.

Speaker 2 (01:44):
Votch, You've you've been creating cowboys content for how long now.

Speaker 5 (01:47):
I've been doing cowboys too long to even count.

Speaker 6 (01:49):
You know what, You've been doing it long enough. Is
just part of your life. It is what it is.
But hey, man, playball, coach a little bit of ball.
But I've been talking crap on YouTube for a loan time.

Speaker 2 (01:57):
Love it, man, Appreciate you off having me. And now
we get on our airwaves. You expect nothing different by
the way. I've been a fan of your content since
we started talking back in twenty twenty about all this
stuff and just getting you involved with Dallas Cowboys content
moving forward. They call it the mothership from all the creators.
I don't classify us as the mother ship. I classify
us as at least the closest here.

Speaker 3 (02:19):
So now you get some access, you get some opportunity.
This is gonna be awesome. We're excited to have you.

Speaker 6 (02:23):
They're going to be kicking me out of here and
call the security let's go out.

Speaker 3 (02:27):
That would be a win in my book.

Speaker 2 (02:29):
We've also got Tommy Yarish his first season with the
Draft Show as well. Tommy, your background You come from Chicago,
went to University of Texas, which that'll be an interesting conversation.

Speaker 3 (02:39):
There's a lot of Texas Cats. Yeah, they're in the
draft this year. What's your background going into the draft?

Speaker 7 (02:44):
Covered every level of football in the state of Texas.

Speaker 8 (02:46):
Spent a lot of time in high school, college at
the University of Texas, and now with the Cowboys. Just
wrapped up my first regular season covering the Cowboys beat.
So super excited to be on the Draft Show. I
love college football, so this is gonna be a lot
of fun. And I love breaking down college guys. Like
you said, there's a lot of Texas guys that that
could look forward to in Dallas and beyond. Last last

(03:06):
Texas guy they picked worked out pretty well.

Speaker 3 (03:08):
For Yeah, that weren't pretty good, didn't it, didn't it?

Speaker 9 (03:10):
Uh?

Speaker 3 (03:10):
And then we've got this guy. Feels like it's just
a year ago.

Speaker 2 (03:13):
Today we were talking about your background. You're now a
seasoned veteran with this draft.

Speaker 10 (03:18):
Yes, so let's move on, Nick Harris. It's going good.

Speaker 3 (03:22):
I'm ready to our telegram.

Speaker 11 (03:23):
Yep, yep. Happy to be back. This is gonna be
an interesting draft cycle. I think we got a lot
to talk about even right off the bat. But I'd
been studying this class a little bit more in depth
than I think where I was at this point last year.
Learned and uh, I learned and applied from from my
process from a year ago. So I got a little
bit of a head start this year. So I feel
good about where I'm at. Feel good about where I'm at.

Speaker 3 (03:44):
Oh, So that means we're relying on you pretty quickly here.

Speaker 4 (03:46):
Hey, feel free good is with those last names, all
the last names.

Speaker 3 (03:51):
And the players we can't pronounce Ole miss Edge.

Speaker 11 (03:54):
Rusher, Uh, princely Umanmulin No way, yeah, no way, Mommy, Yellen,
I covered the kid.

Speaker 3 (04:02):
Listen, go back and listen to it. Prince Mammy Ellen.

Speaker 5 (04:12):
Promise you to.

Speaker 11 (04:13):
I got to be another one in a couple of years.
Out of what did he end up, princevill his oldle
brother Nebraska. He ended up Now he transferred end up
Ole miss Ole Miss Okay, So yeah, there's gonna be
more together at Ole miss Well.

Speaker 10 (04:26):
Now he just out there.

Speaker 3 (04:28):
He got it, Okay, got it, got it.

Speaker 2 (04:30):
Well, We've got a lot to look forward to, new faces,
returning members. We're excited. We'll also join U, Zach Wilchuck,
Bobby Belt. They'll join the show as well starting on Thursday.
So we'll have a rotation of everybody moving through. So
don't worry, you'll get to hear from those guys very soon.
I want to start with positions of need. What did
we learn from this twenty twenty four season around the
Cowboys specifically. I know we're going to talk a lot

(04:50):
of prospects. This isn't just a Cowboys draft show. But
with all the concern across the hall and all the
intrigue going on between the coaching staff and the front
off and what's going to happen over these next few weeks. Nick,
I'll start with you in terms of the Cowboys. What
direction are we headed in terms of this draft?

Speaker 11 (05:09):
Yeah, I think it's really dependent on what shakes out
over the next couple of weeks too. There's a lot
of decisions that have to be made up front before
we can really get or before this front office can
really get into the nitty gritty of position needs and
things of that nature. Because you have Will McLay on
an expiring contract, you have a scouting department that is
mostly on an expiring contract. All of the coaches on
this coaching staff are in limbo at the moment, trying

(05:31):
to await their fate. So you know, certain coaches prioritize
different positions and different skill sets. So what exactly this
staff looks like from a coaching perspective and from a
front office and scouting perspective could look a lot different
on February first.

Speaker 10 (05:44):
And it did on January first.

Speaker 11 (05:46):
So, but I mean, if we're looking at it from
a holistic view, holistic lens and trying to understand, Hey,
you know, this is a roster need. You could look
at almost every position and you can make a case
that there's some need there. You look at the free
agents that are partying out of the door. You know,
I think last year we had a pretty good case
to say, hey, they don't need a quarterback, they don't
need a tight end, but everything else you can pretty

(06:06):
much make a case for. And they went out and
they added they added some help at almost every position
other than safety, if I can think off the top
of my head. But this time around, I feel like
they need to use these ten eleven picks depending on
how many they get, to really address every position on
both sides the ball.

Speaker 2 (06:20):
Brian, You've been around coaching changes and levels like this,
going in the.

Speaker 3 (06:24):
Reason why we had a coach and change a couple of.

Speaker 2 (06:26):
Times, going into just an off season of uncertainty whenever
it comes to an NFL franchise. How much does that
hinder or how much does that help a draft process
when you go into it.

Speaker 4 (06:39):
Continuity is the scout's best friend. You look at organizations
like the Pittsburgh Steelers and others that have had their
coaches in place for long periods of time. As a scout,
when your advantages you have is when you do have
that continuity, you're able to go out and scout players
that your coaches want. When you have change, that then
all of a sudden and Vach and I do a

(07:01):
show together and we talk about this one night that
they that when you have this change and then you
have a new staff come in, maybe some players you
didn't particularly think fit. Now you know your your current club.
Now you're having to go back and look. So you're
really kind of doing double the work. And you know,
maybe in your mind you're thinking, Okay, we've got coaches

(07:22):
on one year deals, we could have a change.

Speaker 3 (07:25):
I need to be.

Speaker 4 (07:26):
Aware because some guys you'll just naturally eliminate because hey,
he's not a fit. You know, the hight weight speed
parameters are not correct here.

Speaker 3 (07:35):
So you move on from guys.

Speaker 4 (07:37):
You get a new staff in here, man that that
kount of changes they come in. They want a totally
different type of player. And that's why you see some
of these teams sometimes with you look at their team
when they're out there on the field.

Speaker 3 (07:48):
They look mismatched.

Speaker 4 (07:49):
You know, some of the teams that have continuity, their
team looks really the same physically, you get a team
that has a lot of turnover. Sometimes your players look
up and down that way, so it uh that uh,
not having that continuity, it really really hurts your scouty apartment.

Speaker 2 (08:05):
And of course the Cowboys have gone through that in
a minor way. The last couple of years changes offensively.
Dan Quinn had his guy, had his guys that he liked,
and then you get Mike Zimmer that comes in here
says even at the end of the regular season, Man,
I wish it would have done in my way, she said, Sean, right,
get out of here. That was very quick kid training
camp that didn't last very long.

Speaker 3 (08:27):
But watch I know you've kept an eye on this team.

Speaker 2 (08:29):
Watch a lot of film, sir, where do they start?

Speaker 5 (08:33):
I'll tell you what.

Speaker 6 (08:34):
We have stars and y'all can hear me say this
a bunch, but we need role players. Everybody said with me,
we need roll players. Okay, so think about this, right,
We've been waiting, man, when are we gonna use Turp
And when we're gonna you know, create his role right,
And we eventually got to it, but we need seven
more of those guys where hey, we're in this situation
deployed that that do this, do this right. We need

(08:54):
more of that. You know, we have a Micah, but
Micah needs a running mate. We have a Lamb, but okay,
you're just gonna trip and double and bracket them all day.
Let's get somebody over here that could take pressure off
off of that guy. So it's not just one thing
that we're looking for, and online they'll say, oh, we
need all things. I think what we're gonna have to
you know, just breaking down film. We're just gonna have
to figure out, Okay, what's important to us. We may

(09:15):
be looking at Okay, cool Malacho Starks, he's available for us.
Can I live without you know, one tech? Can I
live without three tech? Can I live without wide receiver?

Speaker 5 (09:23):
Two? Running back?

Speaker 6 (09:24):
We're gonna be saying bad things about Ashton en Ze, right,
Ashton Jense is fantastic, But somebody's gonna say running back's
not important. Right now, we need to build D line.
We don't know what we're doing with our last two
first round picks. So hey man, role players, role players.

Speaker 3 (09:40):
What do you think, Tony?

Speaker 8 (09:41):
Yeah, no, I think watching hit the nail on the head.
This team has their core right. The entire message we've
gotten from the front office has been we want Dak Prescott,
Cedey Lamb and Michael Parsons. There's your cornerstones of the franchise. Well,
you got to surround them with something because you can
you can't rely on three people in a twenty two
man game. So I think that you know, Nick made

(10:02):
a good point in the sense that this year's class
and how dallasted approach it is. Man, they're gonna need
help in a lot of spots. I mean I put
down defensive line, wide receiver, corner, offensive line. I think
you've got an argument, safety, running back, everything. So really yeah, everything,
and it's going to be a lot of I think
best player available.

Speaker 10 (10:20):
Pay anybody else.

Speaker 11 (10:21):
Exactly, you really need role players and.

Speaker 8 (10:25):
You're tight on money, and there are guys that they
want to bring back that they're going to have to pay.
If you decide to bring back a Jordan Lewis, if
you decide to bring back also Diggi Zoo, if you
decide to extend Mica Parsons this offseason.

Speaker 7 (10:36):
So that's why this class is extremely important, and you
got to be versatile on where you spend your picks.

Speaker 6 (10:41):
Also, to one more thing, let's not walk past. What
Nick and what Brown was saying to coaching is going
to super super matter here, like you know, we can
be okay, let's just look at offensive line. Let's just
look at guards. Are we going to be doing wide zone?
Are we going to be pushing guys around? Like just
that conversation is the difference between Tyler Booker or like
Marcus about right, are you trying to re people? Are
you trying to push guys that way to? You know,

(11:02):
so we have to figure out who this coach is
to have and you know, hey, I ain't gonna say
nothing about nobody that owns this team in their building,
but let's figure that out right now so that we
can have a feel for what this team could look like,
so wee can start evaluate play.

Speaker 3 (11:14):
See we're one segment into this show.

Speaker 2 (11:16):
That was what we spent the whole morning talking about,
talking on talking cowboy.

Speaker 3 (11:20):
Let's get this thing done.

Speaker 2 (11:20):
So that way we know what direction this team is
headed right now, where you're going one way or the other.

Speaker 3 (11:26):
You either keep them or you don't.

Speaker 2 (11:27):
But let's make a decision so that way, no one's
guessing at this point, because right now there's a lot
of guessing going on.

Speaker 4 (11:32):
Yeah, and you know, only one man and a few
others know really what what the direction is going to be,
and hopefully it's sooner than later. But you know, when
you work in this organization, you understand that later tends
to win the day.

Speaker 3 (11:45):
So you've got to be able to adjust and adapt.

Speaker 4 (11:47):
And you know that's what Will McClay and this staff
is going to have to do. But they've got a
big job ahead of him. I will say this though,
about this football team. When they are able to select
the best player on their board, they win a lot
of days. Yes they do, right, They win the day
when they when they're able to do that.

Speaker 3 (12:02):
So hopefully, uh, you know, much.

Speaker 4 (12:04):
Like everybody's talked about here, there's so many areas and
so many directions this thing could go that. You know,
you feel like sometimes you're you focus in on something
and maybe that player goes and you feel like you
got wiped out there here.

Speaker 3 (12:16):
If somebody goes.

Speaker 4 (12:16):
Ahead of you in those picks, you could at least
feel good that you're you know what, we we're going
to have our stack.

Speaker 3 (12:21):
Those are names.

Speaker 4 (12:22):
One of those guys is going to be a Dallas cowboy,
and most likely that guy's going to come in and
help your football team.

Speaker 2 (12:27):
I wonder what the odds were for Malachi Starks, defensive
back out of Georgia to be the first name mentioned
on the Draft show in twenty twenty five.

Speaker 3 (12:35):
It's interesting.

Speaker 2 (12:35):
I thought it would be as I thought it would
be ashtingenty from Boise State.

Speaker 10 (12:41):
But the first thing that we mentioned last last year
on the Draft show was.

Speaker 2 (12:44):
It was all right, so heyah, well bult right now
there it is.

Speaker 3 (12:49):
Why was that the first name that came to mind.

Speaker 6 (12:52):
I've just been I'm heavy into you know, Twitter, X
streets or whatever, and I just see some of the
names slowing around. We're not going to have a whole
bunch of first round great here guys. I got it
left Brown may have thirteen, You may have ten, fifth whatever,
and Malakai is one of them. And just because you know,
the Cowboys kind of won some games towards the end
of the season, there's this short group of guys that's
in between eight and like twelve. So I think Malachi

(13:14):
is in their group. But we can hope that one
of those other guys kind of fall down to us.
We're gonna have conversations like this the whole draft season,
trading up, trading back, and all this kind of little stuff.
But Malachi just popped up in my head because free safety. Honestly,
I think there are luxuries and it's stuff that you need. Yeah,
we need to figure out d line. We're not that
figured out there. We need wide receiver to run it back.

(13:34):
But I think free safety is a luxury. So if
we're on the board and Malachi is there, he may
be the best player. You're gonna have to ask yourself.
Do I go with this kind of need there this luxury,
or do we go like, let's build the base of
this thing.

Speaker 5 (13:46):
I just think he's a polarizing player in that way.

Speaker 2 (13:49):
I think it's interesting you brought up the first round
grades already.

Speaker 3 (13:52):
It's so early on.

Speaker 2 (13:53):
But I had a conversation with a scout last week.
He said the same thing. He said, this is gonna
be a low first round grade. Yeah, draft class. That's
the feel is from a league wide standpoint, probably ten
to twelve. Luckily the Cowboys haven't mentioned it yet. They
are picking number twelve in the NFL draft. This year,
they lost that final game win from well would have
been seventeen down to twelve. It helps you possibly hit

(14:14):
one of those first round graded guys, But does that
change the way you scout, Brian when you go into
a draft with the mindset of, hey, there's only going
to be a dozen guys with first round grades.

Speaker 4 (14:23):
Now I think that you know, you just set your board,
you know, you look at your players, you set your board,
and then whatever that number. You know, we've we're going
to get into this hot and heavy about these offensive tackles,
you know, I mean it. It is not going to
be like we've had in the past where we've had
discussions about plug and play, plug and play plugging with
there are a lot of questions about these guys. You're

(14:44):
going to start to ask about the strengths of the
of the position groups and where this thing's going to fall.
So whether that number is, whether that numbers twelve or
twenty two, you're going to just do the same things
that you normally do as far as gets your board prepped.

Speaker 2 (14:58):
How much do you feel like the current state of
collegiate athletics plays a fact into that nil transfer portal?

Speaker 11 (15:05):
Yeah, you have a lot of kids Covidien thing year Yeah, yeah,
the nine year at.

Speaker 3 (15:12):
The kid Now everybody that's jo is going to be
here for eleven years.

Speaker 11 (15:16):
I mean we're going to talk about if we're talking
about the quarterback position, I think that's the easiest one
to to talk about. When it comes to experience, we'll
talk about guys like Dylan Gabriel who's got a ton
of experience, Kyle McCord who's had a ton of experience.
But you can look on the offensive line as well
and see a ton of experience. And these kids are
incentivized to go back to school. If they have like
a fourth fifth round grade and coming out of their

(15:37):
junior year, or if they have an extra year with
the COVID year, their incentivised to go back to school
because they can make money. It's like, okay, then I
can get my stock back up to the second round.
You look at a guy like ariont Urseri, the offensive
tackle out of Minnesota. This is not a guy we've
been talking about in the first round last year. So
this is a good good That's it's gonna be an

(15:57):
interesting conversation as well.

Speaker 4 (15:58):
But I think I think the group and a whole
as a whole, and I'm looking forward to hearing your
guys thought because you know, watch and I were talking
about this on our show. We you know, it's like, man,
why is this group? Why am I struggling with this
group right now? Why am I thinking I'm looking at
a bunch of guards. Why am I thinking I'm Yeah,
that's fair. That's that's the you know, there's not that
sure fire, that boom. I'm gonna put my put my

(16:21):
name on this guy because I think there's gonna be
I think there's several positions that have some some kind
of question marks that we when we break it all down.

Speaker 2 (16:27):
Let's break it down in our next segment, let's talk
about what this draft is going to be known for.
Kind of set the table early on what can draft fans,
what can Cowboys fans NFL fans in general expect out
of the twenty twenty five NFL draft class.

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(19:25):
the Draft Show. I thought it would only be fitting
to before we get into this twenty twenty five class.
What's the ultimate goal for the Cowboys and every other
team that's drafting this year? You want to win a trophy? Right,
Not just any trophy. You want to win the what
watch the trophy? The Lombardi Trophy.

Speaker 6 (19:42):
It's your last name, dude, It's a last name, the
Lombardi Trovy.

Speaker 5 (19:46):
Try to get you to bring that up.

Speaker 3 (19:48):
I don't know. I just thought it was funny. It
is kind of heavy. We need to polish this one.
This one's a little messed up.

Speaker 6 (19:54):
But the Vasce Lombardi Trophy, Hello Lombardi Trophy, right one.

Speaker 2 (19:58):
I thought it would be fitting have it in the
room when Votch is here for the first time, Kyles
A gentleman.

Speaker 3 (20:04):
I know it's and like I said, it needs a
little polish here. It's been been a long time, all right.
What is this draft class going to be known for.

Speaker 2 (20:13):
Let's take a look around position groups, weakest, strongest. I'll
start with the strongest. Where do you feel like teams
are going to have the most success? Brian, when it
comes to the twenty twenty five draft class.

Speaker 4 (20:26):
I'm kind of got it caught between two. I kind
of feel like I'm looking at right now. This edge
group has got some interesting characters to it. The running
back room has got some interesting guys to it when
you look at it. But I don't know, in a
long time have we seen this many one technique defensive tackles,

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you know, And so to me, I feel like that
if there's some people that are interested in grabbing those
three hundred and twenty pounds one techniques that have athletic ability,
that play up field, that are disruptive, I haven't seen
this group in a long time, but here we are.
So if you're one of those teams that's struggling not
only to defend the run, but a lot of these

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guys have the ability to push the pocket and get
some pressure in the passing game as well. I kind
of feel like that that's something that that that teams.
I mean, you know Mason Graham from Michigan right off
the jump, I mean, he's going to go very very
early in this draft, and I'll tell you what, I
think whoever drafts him is going to get a hell
of a football player out of him. So, yeah, I
look at that that that kind of the group has

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got me excited because I know that's something that Dallas
is kind of looking at themselves.

Speaker 3 (21:34):
Tommy, you like those defensive tackles.

Speaker 8 (21:36):
Yeah, Brian stole it right from me. This defensive tackle
class is one that I like a lot. That you
mentioned Mason Graham from Michigan. His counterpart Kenneth Grant too,
really good player, six and thirty nine pounds and boy,
he plays like he's two hundred and fifty pounds. Sure
know that he's able to move around really well. I'm
a big fan of Walter Nolan at an old miss,
more of an athletic guy, but still a big plugger

(21:59):
up in them and he can do a lot of
things for He was the number one player in his
high school class, number one recruit, so he's been great
across the board both at Texas A and m and Ole, Miss.
And then you've got your other guys like Deon Walker,
who was talked about a lot early on as a
first round guy.

Speaker 7 (22:12):
Stick I think he can still be that.

Speaker 8 (22:14):
I think there's some things you want to mix mix
in there, but six three hundred and forty five pounds,
there's a lot that you can work with with with
that frame. And then t J Sanders too at South
Carolina six four and ninety pounds. I like his game
a lot, so defensive tackles, but running backs down too.
I think there's a lot of value in that running
back class, which is something that maybe the Cowboys could
have explored last year. We'll see if they learned their

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lesson this time around.

Speaker 6 (22:35):
Boy Kyle, I can just hear all the Cowboy fans
right now. Not another Michigan, all this Michigan stuff going on.

Speaker 3 (22:42):
Listen, defensive lineman from Michigan.

Speaker 6 (22:44):
Chill out, y'all. Look, so you could you could have
Taco and Mines. You could have that, but you could
have Aden Hutchson and you could have Rashan Gary Wake Martindale,
got these dudes playing different man. These dudes get up field,
these dudes slamm fronts. These dudes get up they they whoop.
I don't know if I say they, but they whoop
as they whooped as people fan. Look, so when we

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talk about Mason Graham, we're probably not gonna drive Mason Graham.
But Kenny Grant is a guy that I like a
whole bunchet. And normally, this is how I typically feel
about one tech is they're either going to be like
a top ten sort of guy or they're.

Speaker 5 (23:16):
Gonna go into seventh round or something like.

Speaker 6 (23:18):
This year particularly, I got a lot of dudes that's
right in the second and they all get a feel
and they all run fast, they all got motors. So
just to mention a guy that we didn't mention, Derek
Harmon from Oregon, not Defense Time from Oregon. He's going
to be a guy that's in that conversation. And if
you're the Cowboys, you may need one or two defensive
tackles and some of these one texts can play three because.

Speaker 5 (23:39):
They get a feel like that. So there's a lot
of options, a lot of options.

Speaker 11 (23:42):
Yeah, early early contender for name of the class is
a defensive tackle tnka, hemingway.

Speaker 5 (23:47):
At all soon No Tonka big Tnka.

Speaker 11 (23:50):
So I'm gonna talk about this edge class in this
running back class. I'm with you, I'm with the table
on those two positions probably having some more value on
day three. You can look up top of the edge group.
I mean, you look at James Pierce Jr. In the
year he's had. It's been up and down at times,
but I still think he has a lot of trades
there that you can work with. Abduel Carter and there's
no question he's edged one in this class. You look
at uh, the the training regimen that he put he

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put in over the off season and Happy Valley, how
it's applied to the field here in his senior year.
He still got a couple of games to go if
if health permits UH for Penn State, but super solid.
You look at this Ohio State duo of Jack Jack
Sawyer and J. T. Tomlo. Those are two guys as
well who are talking about for top recruit. Yeah to
A Molow, that's good, uh talking about top recruits that

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have really panned out for Ohio State and touim Molo. Wow,
this is a guy we talked about last year potentially
coming out and I was surprised he went back for
another year. I think it worked out for him. You're
talking about second round value. I think you can find
some second round value in a lot of these edges.
You look at Umami Ellen to Molo.

Speaker 5 (24:48):
He's showing off.

Speaker 15 (24:51):
I wasn't trying.

Speaker 5 (24:53):
I say an easy name, Donovania Boston.

Speaker 3 (25:00):
He's yeah, led.

Speaker 11 (25:03):
The fbs and sacks during the regular season out of
Boston College. Now he's got some physical traits that are
probably a little bit limited, but I think you look
at his motor, you look at his blue bag.

Speaker 10 (25:12):
He can get around there in a hurry. And then
Danny Dinnist Sutton.

Speaker 11 (25:16):
That's a guy on day three out of Penn State
that I've really loved his entire career, known him since
his middle high school years, and I think he has
a lot of traits that you can work with. But
this running back conversation, it's gonna be one we talked
about on almost every show, just because Ashton gents, you
could probably give it about a sixty five percent chance
that he's gonna be there at number twelve, and there's
gonna have to be a conversation had about Ashton Genzy.

(25:36):
Do you go ahead and you go grab the guy
who finished number two in Heisman voting made it one
of the closer Heisman races against Travis.

Speaker 5 (25:42):
Hunter in recent memory. Do you go grab that guy?

Speaker 11 (25:45):
I am on the table of saying no, only because
of how deep this running back class is. You can
go get a guy on day three that can work
out for you. You look at potential day three names.
You look at Jordan James out of Oregon. I really
love what he's been putting together. Didn't play in the
Rose Ball a whole lot, and you saw the offense
for as a result. DJ Giddens out of Kansas State.
Now I think he's going to sleep sneak into day two.
That's a guy you have to love. As far as

(26:07):
late route, late round value. R. J. Harvey U c F.

Speaker 10 (26:10):
I think this is gonna be one of the bigger
sleepers at the position as we.

Speaker 4 (26:12):
Move on Singer Bowl guy too is okay? Nick, I'll
challenge you on this one on genty. Is he going
to be your best player on your board when you
pick a twelve p Probably?

Speaker 3 (26:22):
Wow?

Speaker 5 (26:23):
Okay?

Speaker 3 (26:23):
And so are you?

Speaker 4 (26:24):
So then there's nobody else that you would take over
him then right if you if the way you would
stack it would he I.

Speaker 5 (26:33):
Haven't stacked guys.

Speaker 3 (26:34):
I know, I know you haven't, but.

Speaker 4 (26:36):
It's like it's I don't I know at first show,
I'm asking you this question because again i'm seeing you know,
you make you make a point, and there's a lot
of people that they're saying of talking about the depth,
I'm kind of curious of what direction you would go
instead of maybe taking genty if he was the best
player on your.

Speaker 3 (26:53):
Board, Yeah, you would pull the parachute out.

Speaker 11 (26:56):
Why not pick up some more day two value, and
especially if if you if you feel out at twelve,
you only have one or two first round guys left
and it's Gent's might be your only first round grade left.
Let's throw that out for a hypothetical parachute back, because
you're gonna get a running back on day three. There's
not a lot of value in a lot of these positions.
On Day three, talking to scouts around the league, they
do not feel great about round six, round seven, even

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the back in the round five.

Speaker 3 (27:19):
So you know, get okay.

Speaker 4 (27:21):
Okay, first couple of days you bring up something interesting,
then I don't mean to pivot on this, but but
the six and the sevens? Do you now throw those
in on deals? Do you think you can? You could
throw those deals to move up? You know that's instead
of thinking about from twelve? Yeah, well move up? Yeah,
if you don't feel like that, if scouts around the league,
and I am and talk to my gang of seven
about this myself, but you know you're ahead of me

(27:42):
on that. But I wonder if you know, you take
those six and sevens and throw them on deals and
try and move up instead of like, instead of trading back,
think about now going up? If you don't wipe the
depth of the of this draft.

Speaker 2 (27:55):
I'm interested to see because, like you said, if Genty
is the guy there, it's going to be a tantalizing
conversation for the front office, for whoever is Yeah, I
say I'm trying to show off now, but for the
front office, for the coaching staff, whicheveryone is here.

Speaker 3 (28:11):
You had Rico Dowdell.

Speaker 2 (28:12):
I think bringing Rico Dawdell back is a possibility, but
it's not a foregone conclusion.

Speaker 3 (28:17):
What do y'all pick?

Speaker 10 (28:18):
Two years eight million?

Speaker 5 (28:20):
The one man? I don't know you think Yeah, he'll
want more than that.

Speaker 10 (28:25):
I don't know what his value are.

Speaker 3 (28:26):
I don't know what his value would say more than that.

Speaker 11 (28:28):
I'm just that's gonna be a very interesting conversation as
far as for agency goes. Because they cannot bring Rico
Dawdle back, then they're in a pitch at running back.

Speaker 2 (28:35):
For sure, and to play Devil's advocate. They've had that
same mindset in terms of running back the last couple
of years. Oh, we're gonna get one on Day two,
We're gonna get one on Day three, early day three,
and it just hasn't happened. The one pick that you
ended up using was Deuce Vaughan in the sixth round
in twenty twenty three. You've gone into this draft thinking, oh,
Zach Charbonay will be there in the third round and
they weren't able to get him. Oh, you'll think about

(28:55):
these guys uh Johnson from UH Texas a couple of
years ago. They really liked him going into the second
or the third round, didn't end up getting him. You
go into it thinking, Okay, this is a deep draft
class of running backs, but then a run happens before
you and you're kind of hamstrung from that point forward.
Can you afford to do that again when the only
running back under contract right now going into twenty twenty

(29:16):
five is Douce fun.

Speaker 11 (29:18):
I think whenever you look at the positional strengths in
this draft, I don't think you're going to have a
draft like you did in twenty eighteen, or seven of
them go in the first two rounds. I think you're
going to have more so a draft from twenty seventeen
where you get thirty of them go in seven rounds
and there's a ton on Day three just because you
look at you look at the value. If you're a
team out there and you're like, okay, this is a
conversation I'm having with Cowboys right here. Hey, I'm sitting

(29:40):
here picking at fifty eight in the second round. Yeah,
we need a running back, and yeah, you know, we
have a couple of guys there that we really like.
But if we don't get this edge right now or
not just a bad example, we don't get this receiver
right now because I don't have this receiver class for
Streppo's on the board, say you got to grab that
guy because you're not going to get a talented receiver
on day three, Miami by looking at the board, So

(30:01):
I think, yes, Miami, and now y'all gotta get on me.
But I think I think that's probably the conversation that
a lot of teams are gonna be having when it
comes to these running backs. So you're gonna see that
run on day three and it's gonna go for a while,
kind of like what we saw last year in Round four,
but I think it's gonna go even further than that.

Speaker 6 (30:18):
But see, Kyle, to Brian's point, right, what if Genty
is there and we're looking at the phone and every
thing ain't ringing, it's just not and we can't move back,
do you really move away from that guy? Or do
you draft somebody that you just not feeling like you feel? Gents,
Because there's two players and we were just talking about Edges,
there's two players that's on this board right around that time.

(30:38):
I've been looking at a lot of mock drafts and
I would rather take Genty over a MIKEL. Williams from Georgia.
So I feel really good about Gensy, I feel maybe
about Williams. You see what I'm saying, So you.

Speaker 2 (30:51):
See gent is foregone conclusion I think he's the better dude.

Speaker 4 (30:55):
That's what I was gonna ask Nick. I go, if
we're trained back, who who is settled? You give me
a position and you have to.

Speaker 3 (31:01):
Give me a name. But how far back do we
need to go?

Speaker 4 (31:04):
I mean, like you know, watch and I again doing
our show last night, we talked about moving back and
we were kind of in that fifteen.

Speaker 3 (31:10):
We were trying to look for teams with multiple picks.
I think we came up with the Rams or you know,
and Rams are aggressive team.

Speaker 4 (31:15):
But you know you're trying to find teams with I'm
not interested in your twenty twenty six.

Speaker 3 (31:20):
Is I need picks?

Speaker 1 (31:21):
Now?

Speaker 3 (31:21):
Is what I need? So I wonder if you to me.

Speaker 4 (31:25):
I just had this gut that gent is going to
be the cleanest player too that you deal with now.
The number of carries and all that is a concern.
Don't get me wrong, I'm not throwing that out the window.
But man, I mean you start to talk about the character,
the player, the ability, all these things.

Speaker 3 (31:42):
Okay, I'm training away from that. For where am I going?
What am I? Okay? Now I'm picking up with a
player with ability.

Speaker 4 (31:49):
Wait a minute, he's not healthy, you know, maybe you're
looking at Revel the corner from East Carolina, or maybe Simmons,
the oppositive guys out for the Yeah, you guys deal
with knee surgeries and stuff like that. If doctor Cooper
tells me, hey, go we got clean, we're good, let's
do this. But still there's you know, I'm trading away

(32:10):
from maybe the surefire guy to maybe I'm trading in
for question marks, just to pick up a couple of picks.

Speaker 3 (32:19):
Yeah? Does that? Does that make sense?

Speaker 5 (32:22):
Yeah?

Speaker 10 (32:22):
It makes sense.

Speaker 5 (32:22):
It just depends what the value looks like.

Speaker 11 (32:24):
I think an ad deal like that because you can
get a guy like a Jalen Walker, or you can
get a guy like from where from Georgia?

Speaker 10 (32:29):
Linebacker from Georgia.

Speaker 3 (32:30):
He's a good player.

Speaker 4 (32:31):
No, Okay, if you tell me you're going back, and
you go back and you end up with some guy
like Walker and stuff like that, I'm totally cool on that.

Speaker 3 (32:38):
Yeah, I'm totally cool enough.

Speaker 4 (32:39):
If you go back and heck, I'm all about picking
Baron from Texas, you know, Yeah, I mean I'm all
about that too. If you tell me that's what we're
going back for, let's not. But I think the further
back you go in this draft in the first round,
especially the more questions you're probably.

Speaker 3 (32:56):
Gonna have about these players. I think it's a situation
I'm trying to limit my mistake. Sure, understand that completely.

Speaker 11 (33:00):
And it depends what that board looks like whenever you
get to twelve as well, because I you look at
I sense from last year whenever we were we were
expecting at twenty four you're gonna have multiple options there.
You're probably gonna have a good chance to parachute back.
I think now it's probably just there will be a
chance you could parashoot back.

Speaker 5 (33:14):
I don't think it's as.

Speaker 3 (33:15):
Good as the best damn corner was on the board
for you.

Speaker 4 (33:17):
I felt like, you know, Bram Barton was still there too.
I mean, you had some guys Arnold the Lions. It took,
you know, so.

Speaker 3 (33:24):
He played pretty well, didn't.

Speaker 2 (33:26):
With all that being said, you mentioned wide receiver. I know, Tommy,
you had brought this up to wide receiver. Maybe not
the same level of class we've seen over the last
few years where you're gonna go deep into the third
and you're gonna get all these wide receivers.

Speaker 3 (33:38):
It's a need for Dallas wide receiver.

Speaker 2 (33:40):
Too, is a significant need for the Cowboys if they're
trading out in their parachuting. How far can you go
and still be confident you're drafting your wide receiver too.

Speaker 8 (33:50):
I don't think very far. I think this is a
very thin wide receiver class. If you had your pick
of wide receivers, that would be better for Dallas. I
think Tataroa McMillan from Arizona's probably your guy.

Speaker 7 (34:00):
He's a six five, two hundred.

Speaker 3 (34:02):
And twelve wide receiver one right now, Yeah, that's.

Speaker 7 (34:04):
He's my wide receiver one. Just uber athlete. I mean,
what he's able to do with his size is phenomenal.

Speaker 8 (34:10):
I wouldn't necessarily say he's an elite fifty to fifty
ball guy, but his traits can make him more. I
think he jumps out of the building.

Speaker 3 (34:19):
So so the room real quick. The room then has
Hunter all playing corner? Yes, yeah, Hunter, Hunter, Hunter corner corner.
You're still playing him two ways.

Speaker 10 (34:27):
I think there's going to be an opportunity for him.

Speaker 4 (34:30):
Okay, So I'm trying to think of right, I think
we're right about wide receiver one. If Hunter is not,
ifuns primarily a corner okay, then if that's the case,
then McMillan is.

Speaker 3 (34:40):
Wou wide receiver one for you.

Speaker 4 (34:42):
You know what, there's a there is a I think
there's an argument that I would make to try and
make him wide receiver.

Speaker 3 (34:48):
Wow, I think I would.

Speaker 4 (34:50):
I think to me the way, Yeah, the teams could
probably go away from him if he plays corner.

Speaker 3 (34:57):
Now does that help you in the the game? Yeah?
It helps.

Speaker 4 (35:00):
But what if you have a guy on the other
side of the field, one of the seven cornerbacks you
use this year, opposite Bland.

Speaker 3 (35:06):
You know that kind of thing.

Speaker 4 (35:07):
I mean that that that corner works until somebody figures
out that they could go attack somebody else with.

Speaker 3 (35:14):
With Hunter playing wide.

Speaker 4 (35:15):
Receiver, I'm just gonna load him up. I'm gonna load
him up. Just keep You can't stop this kid. I'm
just gonna keep throwing the ball. I'm gonna have to make.
He's making plays. I'm handing it to him. I'm doing
all these things to try and get him the football.
I just feel like there could be an argument for
him for wide receiver one.

Speaker 3 (35:32):
Corner one. He's my corner one. But I also though
I could.

Speaker 4 (35:36):
Very easily take backspace and move him all the way
across my board to wide receiver.

Speaker 3 (35:42):
One too, you know. So that's kind of where but
I just wondered where the room stood.

Speaker 4 (35:46):
Is anybody can argue that he could be wide receiver
one and it's not. It's not a factor for the Cowboys'
But I'm just saying for the people out there who
listen to our show might not be Cowboy fans, but
just draft, you know, draft.

Speaker 5 (35:59):
Peoples to be like wide receiver three.

Speaker 6 (36:01):
For me, you know, he's a bonafide yat guy, deep
ball ball tracking type stuff, you know, and you can
just move.

Speaker 5 (36:07):
Him anywhere or whatever.

Speaker 3 (36:08):
You got McMillan's one.

Speaker 6 (36:09):
I got McMillan one, Burden two Burden from Missouri slack guy,
and Burden is a better bonafide yet guy to me, Like,
it's hard. It's hard to tackle that guy. So I'm
putting Travis at three. But what makes Travis like the
number one overall guy is that he could be your
number one corner and your number three receiver. So for me,
I'm playing a full time corner and maybe in a

(36:29):
game seven targets, six targets something like that, and you know,
d ball with him something like that. But as far
as like the best wide receiver. He's like the third
guy for me.

Speaker 2 (36:38):
I would put him right there with like Isaiah Bond
from Texas, Trey Harris from Old mess A couple of
those guys that are up there in that that realm.
I don't think he's up there with Rastreppo from Miami,
Burden from Missouri, and then McMillan's my top guy as
well from Arizona. Those are the three wide receivers there.
And I don't have an abundance of confidence in the

(36:58):
wide receiver class as a whole either. It's not like
I'm saying these guys are gonna be Cede Lamb down
the down the line. That's not the case. I don't
have that same level of confidence. So if you trade
out from twelve and you pull the parachute fifteen sixteen seventeen,
if you still have an eye on a receiver, is
that where you're at.

Speaker 11 (37:16):
I don't know if you're taking a receiver, well, I
don't know if you can take a receiver with the
first pick.

Speaker 5 (37:20):
I really don't.

Speaker 11 (37:21):
For the Cowboys twelve, you do need another receiver to
be the robin to CD Lamb.

Speaker 3 (37:25):
Is there going to be that in the second or
the third though.

Speaker 11 (37:28):
See that's where that's where you need some action, free agency.

Speaker 10 (37:31):
That's that's where you have to go. Get a guy
that can help out.

Speaker 4 (37:33):
I think this guy right here will fight you that
he would take Burdon at twelve take.

Speaker 6 (37:37):
I would definitely take a Burden that's well, I wouldn't
mind it. Where would you put Ceede Lamb on that catch?
Because he's a slot guy, Burden is he can play outside.
He did so a little bit at Missouri, But where
would you put those guys? See, Lamb goes everywhere, So
you could just move Lamb where Burden is not, and
then Burden can go where.

Speaker 3 (37:53):
Make it happen either way.

Speaker 6 (37:54):
I think what dall Is really needs is like a
true X, like an XX, like a big dude on
the outside catches, you know, catch the ball away from
the body. Save Yon Williams TCU wide receiver. I was
just I was just looking at him, and I'm like, hey,
big body six ' five, can run a little bit,
catch the ball. Pretty decent guys some drops whatever, and
with those drops they just kind of hand the ball
to them. They let them do the rnks snap stuff.

(38:15):
But just a yat guy and this goes back to
your previous question, right, like, what are you trying to
build here? And if you look at let's say a
team like the Niners, right, they just got all yet guys.

Speaker 5 (38:23):
They do different things, but they're yet guys. Right.

Speaker 6 (38:25):
I would love to have a team fully yet guys
in XZ slid wide whatever you want to do, right.
So that's just a handful of guys. But to y'all's point,
we should get wide receiver relatively early because later on
they won't exist.

Speaker 7 (38:36):
Burden.

Speaker 8 (38:37):
When I was watching Burton, I wrote down, I feel
like I'm watching CD Lamb with the way that Miszoo
used him in their offense, just because some of those
quick outs and stuff like that in the slot. But
I also wrote down, there's no problem with having two
CD Lambs on your team.

Speaker 7 (38:50):
So I don't think anybody's turning that down.

Speaker 8 (38:51):
So I think there are some guys that if you
were to go late in a wide receiver, if you
were trying to wait and push it back maybe second
third round, I think if you if you try to
do that, and looking at guys like Trey Harris from
Old Miss that's the guy who's played a lot of football.
Some health question marks there, but he can be one
of your ex guys. Sorry, Ja, Corey Brooks from Louisville,
Alabama transfer. I feel like that could be maybe a

(39:13):
late run guy that if he tests well. I don't
know if he's a Senior Bowl or Shrine Bowl guy.

Speaker 3 (39:17):
He's not, but if yet Anyways, if he has a.

Speaker 8 (39:19):
Good performance there, he has a good combat, I think
that's a guy you can maybe push later in the rounds.
But I would agree with that if you take a
wide receiver early, you're probably looking at Burden at twelve
would be the pick there.

Speaker 3 (39:30):
Save you on.

Speaker 2 (39:30):
Williams, by the way, from TCU is a Senior Bowl invite,
so you'll see him out.

Speaker 3 (39:34):
In mobile for a little bit there.

Speaker 2 (39:36):
All right, let's take our second break when we come back.
Who are some of the early petcats We love talking
about pet cats on this show. Vatch knows what a
pet cat is and he hasn't even been on the
show before, So that's.

Speaker 3 (39:46):
What it's all about.

Speaker 2 (39:46):
We're going to talk about that some of the early
names you need to keep an eye on outside of
what we've already mentioned here. On the first episode of
The Draft Show in twenty twenty five.

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All right back here on the Draft Show final segment,
as we wrap up our first edition again, we'll have
Bobby Belton Zach Walchuk on the show coming up on Thursday.
Excited to have those fellas back in the building as well.
Wanted to cap off by just throwing out some names.
Of course, we're very early on in the draft process
or a lot of draft fans at home listening, writing
down names so that they can go and watch their
own film, which we encourage of course, Brian, when we started,

(43:15):
you guys started the show, not we, but you guys
started the show back in the day.

Speaker 3 (43:18):
Investigate and educate. That was us you wanted to get
still us.

Speaker 2 (43:22):
Yeah, still the case, and that's what really the whole
point of this is is you go watch your film too,
make your boards. Have some fun that way, and we
love comparing whenever we go along and then having those
conversations as we get closer to April, Brian, I'll let
you start your early pet cats are names that you
think all those at home should be keeping an eye on.

Speaker 3 (43:42):
I'll tell you what I want to tell you about.

Speaker 4 (43:44):
Mike Green from Marshall and he is an edge rusher. Yeah,
he's a transfer from Virginia. And this is a really
a twitched up edge rusher both sides of the formation.
Explosive on the get off, quick first step, some natural bend.
He's got past moves, swat all those things you want
to do with your hand, the ability to get up

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the field. Man, he could change direction. I love this
kid just because Yeah, he came from you know, he
came from Virginia.

Speaker 3 (44:13):
You know, Virginia.

Speaker 4 (44:14):
Kind of some up and down play there, Marshall, you know,
kind of the same with him. But this guy plays
hard all the time. He's six fours, two forty eight,
you know there. He does not look light in his uniform.
You see that two forty eight, but he does not.
He looks like a big guy there. And I love
the way that he could put his hand down. He
could also stand up. Love the burst, love the chase.

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I could say the only real deficiency I see was
the lack of bulk. But man, he plays a lot
stronger than to forty eight Mike Green, Marshall Edge.

Speaker 2 (44:44):
Sun Belt champion Marshall Thundering heard too had a good
year out there.

Speaker 8 (44:48):
What do you think, Tommy, I've got a couple you
talked about John day Barron earlier from Texas. That's a
guy out twelve the Cowboys. I would be pretty satisfied
with that, just because he's.

Speaker 7 (44:57):
Got positional versatility.

Speaker 8 (45:00):
One guy kind of deeper in the draft that I
really like is Nick Martin, linebacker from Oklahoma State.

Speaker 7 (45:05):
Didn't play a lot this year, got hurt.

Speaker 8 (45:07):
A couple of games in with I think a knee injury. Yeah,
miss most of the year with kne injury. But when
he played his junior season last year, he goes one
hundred and forty tackles for Oklahoma State that helped lead
them to a Big Twelve Championship appearance. They got dusked
by Texas, but nonetheless six sacks, the forced fumble, two
picks as well. Just watching him in that Big Twelve
title game, I thought he played really well. Kind of

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you look at him more of like a mic linebacker,
which Dallas very well may need with depending on what
happens with Eric Kendricks, and you look at where Marris
Lea foutfits into the equation in the future. So just
versatile guy. I think he's really smart, plays very high football.
I Q again the injury would be the only question mark,
but a lot to like with Nick Martin and Texas
guy Texarkana.

Speaker 3 (45:49):
Okay, so Texas guy.

Speaker 2 (45:51):
When you talk about Martin specifically, you talk about the
Mike linebacker scenario, what does he do best?

Speaker 3 (45:56):
What is his calling cards?

Speaker 7 (45:58):
I think he's a great tackler.

Speaker 8 (46:00):
I think when when you look at what Eric Kendricks
does so well for this Cowboys defense is sideline sideline
and the sideline, the sideline getting ball carriers to the ground.

Speaker 7 (46:08):
Nick Martin can do that for you.

Speaker 8 (46:09):
And I think he can add in that coverage element too,
and you can get after the passer too. He had
in two games this year. He or a couple of
games this year. He had a sack as well, so
a lot to like.

Speaker 3 (46:18):
He will be at the Senior Bowl this year as well,
looking forward to it. Botch.

Speaker 6 (46:22):
Let me just start by saying what I'm what I'm
hating now. Oh, I hate this new trend of the
three hundred pound guard. You know, the athletic can move,
good guy. Hate the way that you walk with you
hate these these quick little guards, these little light guards. Man,
give me a three hundred and twenty pound guard. Give
me Tyler Booker from Alabama. Ladies and gentlemen. I like
when bodies hit the floor. I like when you can

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move people out of a gap. I like when your
combos are devastating. In that Bama offensive line, they got
some nasty dudes. Yeah, so they all worked together in tandem.

Speaker 2 (46:51):
Their losses were not on their offensive line, don't get
me wrong.

Speaker 3 (46:54):
It was on their quarterback. We'll talk about that later
on too.

Speaker 6 (46:56):
And and and Booker just carries this nastiness about him,
and he carries this confidence like I'm about to quick set,
I'm about to grab you, grip strength for you, and
you're not gonna move. Sometimes that kind of gets me
in trouble. He'll get a little leany, a little over is,
you know, heels, and he'll fall all over the place
sometimes because we lost of bounce. But what's the point
of having Duke manwell across the street if you can't
fix balance and a player. What I want to do

(47:17):
is take it back to the old cowboy days. We
got a Ron Leary, a Travis and a dad gum
Zach Martin, and give me a Tyler and another Tyler.
With that Cooper bb you can make your old line
strong again. And you can. You can. You can move
a gap all you want to. Tyler Booker is a dude,
and he was whooping. Brian brought us his LSU Tigers
and he tried to act like he didn't do it,
but all the l s U kids were on the

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floor of Brian brought us because Tyler Booker is a guy.

Speaker 5 (47:41):
And that's my pick, Cas, that's my.

Speaker 4 (47:42):
First I'm so glad you went to that as your
first tape. I have like prot is LSU guy, I
gotta gotta look at That's the first thing. He and
I do a show every night, and the first thing
he says, I watched that l s U Alabama again.
You got nobody up front, go back. It wasn't ass kicking.

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You got some good tape. That was some good takes.

Speaker 2 (48:04):
Jayleen Melroe played pretty good and that I got two
Jaylen Milbury. Milroe truthers to both sides of me.

Speaker 7 (48:09):
Right, that's a pet cat for me.

Speaker 3 (48:11):
He had eleven picks this year. He tried to hand
games over to ninety of people.

Speaker 10 (48:15):
That conversation for a yeah you think, so time for
me to debate.

Speaker 5 (48:18):
I'm not watching April.

Speaker 2 (48:20):
So in April I called the Auburn Alabama game and
he tried to give that game to Auburn four different
times with four different turnovers, and Auburn was not good
enough to take advantage.

Speaker 3 (48:31):
I did watch the Georgia game. He's pretty good there too,
watching the game to really, he was pretty good there.

Speaker 2 (48:37):
He's a good runner, yeah, not a good thrower, alright.
Jackson said about Lamar, He is not Lamar Jackson, Well
me Jackson, not Labarn Jackson.

Speaker 3 (48:48):
All right, who's your pet cat, Jalen Milroe. This is yeah.

Speaker 11 (48:51):
This is gonna be tough because I want to give three.
So I'm gonna give like three really quick ones. I'm
gonna start at the running back position, just because this
is one We're going to talk about a lot. Kyle
Manung guy out of Ruggers. He is a bowling ball
at five nine pounds. He's a New Jersey native that
stayed home at Ruggers and and stayed there for five
years running back his entire career. Yes, a running back
and he uh he is five foot nine, but I

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think he's one of the better pass protectors in this class.
You look at guys trying to come down in a
gap blitz and he's right there to blow them and
throw them out of the club. I love I love
this kid. He's he fights four for extra yardage. He's
a five yards per carry guy throughout his entire career.

Speaker 5 (49:29):
I think this is a.

Speaker 11 (49:30):
Guy that if if you sleep on and it's still
on the board when day three comes around, uh, you're
gonna miss out on that one. I feel the same
way about Kyle Mnung guy that I felt about Bucky
Irving a year ago, in the sense it's like, yeah, Okay,
this guy might be small, but he plays bigger than
he is and he's gonna he's gonna be a good pro.
The only thing that keeps me concerned about Mnong guys
six hundred and sixty nine total carries during his UH

(49:52):
during his college career. So certainly something to keep an
eye on. Does this team need to tight end?

Speaker 6 (49:59):
They're gonna take one every year. Yeah, maybe undrafted, but
they'll they'll find one everything And.

Speaker 3 (50:03):
Talk about Mason Taylor if you want.

Speaker 10 (50:05):
I'm talking about Harold Fan of Junior out of Bowling.

Speaker 4 (50:07):
Green Senior Bowl guy, right, Yeah. I talked to Jim
Naggy about him. They're really excited about having him down.

Speaker 3 (50:14):
He might be tight end one.

Speaker 5 (50:16):
He no, no, no, non.

Speaker 10 (50:17):
Tyler Warren, Tyler Warren, ty Tyler Warren.

Speaker 4 (50:20):
Absolutely, We'll talk about Loveland from Michigan's He's pretty good.

Speaker 3 (50:23):
To Jason Taylor from Mello's Shoe. I'm watch that kid.

Speaker 5 (50:28):
I Uh.

Speaker 11 (50:29):
Harrold Fan and Junior broke the FBS record this year
for receptions by a tight end and receiving yards by
a tight end. Now, granted he plays uh, he plays
in the max, so it's there's not a lot of
action the maction there. There's not a lot of defensive
prowess that he goes up against. Whenever he's he's playing
over there. I like Toledo's defense and he uh, he
played well against Toledo. He had a touchdown in that game.

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He had his second lowest yard total total yardage in
that game throughout the season though, But you look at
some of these numbers that he posted twelve one to
ninety three and to ten one seventy one, seventeen receptions
for two hundred and thirteen yards in the bowl game.
He's long, he's uh, he can get up and go
over guys. He's a guy who can line up on
the outside. If you wanted to now the blocking, that

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would be the biggest question because they just didn't ask
him to do a whole lot of that. They just
threw the ball to him six foot four, two hundred
and thirty pounds. Though, and seeing what lound wells if
this coaching staff is still around, seeing what Lunda wells
with some of those guys have done with John Stevens
Junior and being able to make him a better blocker,
and we saw that this past year, even with the
ACL recovery, we saw better blocking out of him in

(51:34):
the preseason this year. But I think this is a
guy who with this staff that's currently here, they can
make Harold Fan and Junior a star.

Speaker 12 (51:41):
Uh.

Speaker 11 (51:41):
In the last one, I'll throw out Davison a Benison,
the corner out of Ohio State, six ft two, one
hundred and ninety three pounds, formerly at Ole Miss. He
was a four star product out of New Jersey, actually
right down the street from kylewin On guys, So I'm
staying with my Jersey boys this time around. But anytime
we see Ohio State, and I know me and Tommy
we bond on this guy. Anytime we watch Ohio State,

(52:02):
this guy's locking things down. This guy's making plays, he's
getting after the ball, he's fighting with receivers. I love
his physicality on the outside. I think he's a guy
who you could throw on the outside and have a
lot of fun with. And he's getting six seventh round grades.
I highly disagree that's the guy you could take it
in the third or fourth.

Speaker 2 (52:17):
That would be interesting, by the way, not my words,
but Jim Naggy's words, the most prolific tight end in
this year's NFL Draft is heading to Mobile.

Speaker 3 (52:25):
I'm talking about Harold Fan and Junior out of Bowling Green.
They made it, Jim, they made a type video out
of it.

Speaker 4 (52:30):
Jim gets a nice roster there. Every year, he really
takes a lot of pride in that.

Speaker 3 (52:34):
Today this year is no different. He is continuing to stack.

Speaker 2 (52:37):
That was only four hours ago that they announced it,
by the way, So heads up to you guys for
staying on top of that.

Speaker 3 (52:41):
So Harold, Finn and Jr. I got some Yeah, some
pet cats.

Speaker 5 (52:45):
How about that?

Speaker 2 (52:45):
All the way through. As we wrap up this first
edition of the Draft Show, gentlemen, it was good talking
with you. Welcome to the show, Votch, Welcome to the show, Thomas, guys, Brian, Nick.
Great to be back with you guys. Excited to be
here all off season long. It's gonna be a long,
long offseason.

Speaker 10 (53:01):
Yeah, we're having a lot to talk about on the show.

Speaker 5 (53:03):
Yes, we are not just draft fans.

Speaker 3 (53:05):
You're exactly right, all right. That does it for us
for Tommy rs. Brian brought us Vatch Lombardi for Nick.

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Harris I'm Kyle Yeomans Chris Beam in the back saying
so long, We'll see you on Thursday for the next
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