April 4, 2025 • 14 mins
Carly is confused why her date won't call her back after hitting it off... Find out why she got ghosted!
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
I've ever been left waiting by the phone.
Speaker 2 (00:03):
It's the Fredshell.
Speaker 3 (00:05):
Hey Carly, Hey, how's it going? Can you hear me?
Speaker 2 (00:07):
Yes?
Speaker 1 (00:08):
Loud and clear, loud and clear, clear, morning morning to Carly.
What's going on with this guy Chris?
Speaker 2 (00:15):
Who? I guess?
Speaker 1 (00:15):
Why don't you tell us how you met, about any
dates you've been on him and where things are now?
Speaker 4 (00:19):
Or yeah?
Speaker 3 (00:20):
I don't know, man. It was such. It was interesting
because we met on a dating app, and you know
how those are, like sometimes just you get some randos.
But I met this guy Chris, and she was super hot,
and he suggested that we go on a weekend trip
for our first day. Really, and I just, yeah, isn't
that wild?
Speaker 2 (00:40):
That's kind of a bold thing.
Speaker 1 (00:41):
So you meet a guy in a dating app and
he's like, let's go out of town immediately. I mean,
that's that's how Dately episodes started ends.
Speaker 3 (00:48):
But yeah, that's how you end up dead. But you
were like, okay, you know, I was like, he's super hot,
and I thought, you know what, I'm just going to
take the risk, and I thought the worst that could happened.
As we meet at the airport, He's not who he
said he was. And I leave. And the wild thing
is he ended up being totally who he said he was,
(01:10):
and you know he had he had like a hot friends,
so must Pearl Kyle. He looked like he did some things.
And we ended up going to New Orleans. We had
a great weekend. He was a gentleman, he paid for everything.
We had a great time. And then at the end
of the trip we hugged at the airport and I
(01:31):
never heard from him again.
Speaker 1 (01:33):
Really, this dude took you to New Orleans and you're
saying that the trip went well and that he never
called you after the trip Like that is that's a
wild story. I mean you met at random standard and
went on a trip. I will tell you this though, Carly.
When I'm first dating someone, if I think it's going
to go somewhere, which just doesn't happen very often, but
if I think it's going somewhere, I do kind of
(01:53):
rush the trip effort. Now, not like on the first date,
but you know, within like the first month or two,
because I think you can tell a lot about somebody
about how they travel and how you travel together. And
you know, are they the people that show up after
the flight already left?
Speaker 2 (02:08):
People you know what I mean.
Speaker 1 (02:09):
How much do they pack? You know, do they have
a TSA pre check or not? It's a huge deal for.
Speaker 3 (02:15):
Yeah, Well now I'm wondering. I agree, But now I
am thinking, maybe there's a reason we did that after
a month or two and not the first time we've met.
Speaker 2 (02:24):
But okay, so I get it totally.
Speaker 1 (02:26):
Yeah, you go on a trip with this man and
you think it went well, and then he never calls
you again, and you're like, what, what on earth?
Speaker 2 (02:31):
So we're gonna call this guy, Chris.
Speaker 1 (02:33):
We're gonna ask these questions on your behalf and try
and figure this out. And the hope, of course, as always,
is that we can straighten this out. Maybe there's some
good reason why he hasn't called you, and and maybe
you guys can go out again. We're not paying for
a trip, we don't have that kind of money, but
we'll pay for a table locally and you can go
on that if we can work it out.
Speaker 2 (02:51):
Sound good, sounds great.
Speaker 3 (02:52):
I'm so confused by this dude. That's desire to me.
Speaker 2 (02:55):
So let's see what happens next. Part two.
Speaker 1 (02:57):
Avoiding by the phone after this song on the The
Fred Show, Good Morning, it's The Fred Show, Part two
of Waiting by the Phone. Hey, Carly, all right, always
call this guy Chris. You met on the dating apps
and you just described to us something that I really
haven't heard maybe ever in Waiting by the phone. But
you never met the guy. You just messaged with him.
You thought the profile looked good. He asked you if
(03:18):
you wanted to go to New Orleans and you said sure.
And you met the guy at the airport and you
went on a trip for the weekend and you say
it went really well, and he was and he says
he was and the trip was a success. Accept Carly,
you told us a minute ago. You haven't heard from
him since then.
Speaker 3 (03:34):
Is exactly right? The airport?
Speaker 1 (03:37):
Yeah, this is wild. Well, let's call Chris here. We
can get him on the phone figure out why he's
ghosting you. Now, all right, good luck, thank you?
Speaker 4 (03:50):
Hello.
Speaker 2 (03:50):
Hi is this Chris Chris?
Speaker 4 (03:54):
Hi?
Speaker 2 (03:54):
Good morning.
Speaker 1 (03:54):
My name is Fred. I'm calling from the Fred Show,
the Morning radio Show. I have to tell you the
whole crew is here. We are on the radio, and
I would need your permission to continue with the call.
Can we chap for just a second, would you mind?
Speaker 4 (04:05):
Do you have to do. I mean, you have to
use my last name.
Speaker 1 (04:08):
No, I'm not going to use your last name. I
don't even know your last name. I'm only using your
first name.
Speaker 4 (04:13):
Sure, so that's fine, that's fine, Yeah, you're sure.
Speaker 1 (04:17):
Okay, Well, so no last name, just Chris. But I'm
calling on behalf of a woman named Carly, who I
guess you just went to New.
Speaker 2 (04:24):
Orleans with you met her on the dating app and
he went to New Orleans. Do you remember this?
Speaker 4 (04:27):
I hope I do remember that.
Speaker 1 (04:30):
Yeah, okay, Well, she reached out to us, had nice
things to say about you, said that, you know, she
took a risk in meeting you with the airport and
going to New Orleans, and she came back alive, which
is nice, right, But she said you were good looking,
you were who you said you were. She said you
were a gentleman on the trip, paid for everything. But
what she's wondering is why you haven't reached out for
another date, because in her opinion, everything went really well.
(04:52):
That was kind of a big risk and everybody went
for it, and here we are. Why are you calling her?
Speaker 4 (04:57):
I mean like this, Okay, she I like to go big,
you know, obviously, I mean it's not very common for
somebody to ask somebody to go on a date New Orleans.
That is, that is a big thing. And she said yes.
And for me, when somebody says that, that means something,
you know. So like, yeah, what I saw at the airport,
everything was lined up. She was hot, just like you know,
(05:19):
just like I expected. She was willing to take a risk,
which is attractive, and everything looked like it was going
to be a great weekend.
Speaker 2 (05:28):
So I was.
Speaker 4 (05:29):
But she I mean, let me just lay it out here.
She didn't want to stay in the same hotel room
as me, which is I mean, that's pretty common knowledge
that that is like part of the deal of something
like this.
Speaker 2 (05:43):
Well, what do you hold on a second, let's stop
right there.
Speaker 1 (05:46):
So when did you learn that she wasn't going to
stay in the same hotel room as you?
Speaker 3 (05:49):
Like?
Speaker 1 (05:49):
Was that part of the Hey, i'll go with you
on this trip and here are the rules? Like, did
you guys text about that ahead of time? Or how
did how did you know that that's what she wanted?
Speaker 4 (05:57):
No, when we got to the hotel is when I
found out. And it's fine, you know, I'm like, like,
you know, I'm willing to pay for everything. But I mean,
number one, it was inconvenient. I found out right when
I'm getting to the hotel. You know, I could have
gotten that information. I mean, it would have screwed up
the whole thing from the get go, but I mean
it still it had been better to get that information early.
But yeah, right when we get to the hotel, I
find out, and you know, we kind of went back
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and forth on it, and the compromised, that is what
I would say. We got like two beds in the
same room, which is weird, you know. And she didn't
show any affection, you know, because I I flew her,
I paid for everything, you know, and I just nothing happened,
(06:41):
Like there was no reciprocal action at all.
Speaker 1 (06:46):
Okay, so you know, I mean so you didn't there
was nothing physical. You didn't you didn't have any adult
interaction of the naked, right, uh is what you're saying.
And you're and your sell and and you seeuggested that
if you had known that she wouldn't sleep in the
same bed or room as you. You kind of alluded
to how maybe this trip wouldn't have even happened if
(07:08):
you had known from the beginning.
Speaker 2 (07:09):
Mm hm, Yes, okay, we agree. We agree with that.
Speaker 1 (07:12):
So so basically, because you paid for everything and she
agreed to go, then it was implied that there was
supposed to be other things that happened like that was
just implied by.
Speaker 3 (07:22):
Never said that.
Speaker 1 (07:24):
Oh well there's carl I forgot to mention Carly's here.
I'm very forgetful Carly, Chris. You guys know each other.
But I want to get to this part. So I
just want to be clear. I don't want to mischaracterize here.
You you said, hey, let's go on a trip. I'll
pay for everything. But it wasn't. It had conditions, they
were just unspoken.
Speaker 4 (07:41):
It's in my opinion, it's common knowledge. That is a
common knowledge thing that you know. Otherwise I would have
just taken my buddy. It's common knowledge. You go you.
Speaker 1 (07:58):
Okay, So back to you, Carl, Carlie, it's common knowledge, right,
I mean you heard the man.
Speaker 3 (08:03):
Uh no way, I'm sorry. There's nothing we've just met.
We go on a trip. There's no set recedent for that.
I look on a neuraland date you have some drinks,
you needed a bar, you can make it. We literally
get on a plane. We go straight to the hotel
and I'm going after have some sort of contingency here,
(08:26):
and they didn't talk about it. You sort of made
a very boss minute choice like there what we didn't
talk particulation. They just said we're gonna throw feel it out.
Speaker 4 (08:36):
I mean, that's what you say. Listen, if you didn't
want to get you know, intimate, you shouldn't have agreed
to the trip like it's I would never, I would
never pressure you.
Speaker 3 (08:47):
Didn't. You didn't. You didn't pressure me on a trip.
You didn't say anything. You made it sound like you
were totally having a good a good time, like I
wasn't even aware that you were upset until I didn't
care from you. You didn't say anything either. Nobody. I
can promise you that nobody said that.
Speaker 4 (09:07):
It's like you want a free car and you went
to the lot and you didn't leave a car, like
it didn't make sense.
Speaker 1 (09:16):
Who got a freaky you? What happened? No, Look, here's
the thing. She owes you nothing, Chris. Let's just be
really clear. She doesn't owe you the code.
Speaker 2 (09:23):
Whether they travel or not, though, like even if it
was their hometown, nobody owes you nothing. Nobody owes you anything.
Speaker 1 (09:29):
Now now here, I will say this, and there's a code,
A code I don't know. I will say this, though,
I suppose that it might have been a good thing
to maybe set out some ground rules before we go,
you know what I mean, because I will say if
I'm if I'm staying in a hotel room with a stranger,
I guess I in some ways in my mind, I
(09:51):
think there's a possibility we're just throwing all the rules
out the window.
Speaker 2 (09:54):
We're really just going for it here.
Speaker 1 (09:56):
Honestly, I don't think that's an unfair thing to consider
that being said, she didn't owe you anything. This was
not an this is not this is not a you're
not buying things so that she does other things. That's
there's a there's a name for that. It's the world's
oldest profession, and and and that's something that happens other places.
Speaker 2 (10:15):
But I don't know that.
Speaker 1 (10:16):
Maybe there couldn't have been some kind of conversation from
one side or the other, like, hey, I will accept
this trip for and this is just an example.
Speaker 2 (10:25):
I will accept this trip. I'm excited to go.
Speaker 1 (10:27):
I just want you to know, you know, nothing is
happening here, like we're going to get to know each
other and have a good time. I don't want there
to be any expectations, and maybe I'll get my own
hotel room, just so we're clear about that, because guess what, Chris,
it sounds like you would have said no, I don't
want to go anymore, and then we would have not
exactly where everybody stood.
Speaker 2 (10:46):
No, I'm not I'm not defending you. I'm just trying to.
Speaker 1 (10:54):
Say that I understand why it would it might have
been valuable to discuss these kind of things before you
go on trips with strangers. But she doesn't owe you anything, man,
she owes you nothing.
Speaker 4 (11:05):
You know, in my mind, like I said, there's an
unspoken code and she broke it, and it just you know,
I didn't put any pressure on her the pressure. I
didn't put any pressure. She agreed to go. So there
is that code and it is what is expected, and
I was missing. I feel like I was misled. I
don't think you were misled. I think you took a chance,
(11:26):
and I think it didn't work, and I think she
has every right to not do anything with you. And
and you, guys, it appears that you had a good
time anyway. So why are we blowing it now it
sounds like maybe if you go on another date, like
things could have happened. But now I don't know, Carly,
what do you think you want to go out with
him again and we'll pay for it?
Speaker 3 (11:43):
I mean definitely not now. But that's all that said
before was no rules, So in my mind that means
you go and you see and I feel like you're
right Like he didn't indicate so for me said, he
asked like he was having a good time, and this
(12:03):
is what he was thinking. Is really that's the part
that you know makes me very turned off.
Speaker 4 (12:08):
So this is a blatant example of me being used.
Speaker 2 (12:13):
Is what this is?
Speaker 3 (12:14):
You deserve?
Speaker 2 (12:17):
Yeah, I will use you too. You don't even know
her name. You don't know her favorite color. You went
on a flight like you did. I mean she knows.
Speaker 4 (12:28):
I don't know her favorite color, right she she knows
if I fly first class or coach. You know, she
knows a lot aboutmides.
Speaker 2 (12:38):
New Orleans. And I don't blame city girls. Are okay?
Speaker 1 (12:42):
You you swung being and I respect the move. I
see what you were doing. It didn't work. She doesn't
know that. To you, you don't have a right to
be angry about it. Now, I'm I'm not angry. I'm
not angry. I'm not angry.
Speaker 4 (12:55):
I'm I'm disappointed and I feel used, and I'm just
not you.
Speaker 3 (13:01):
And you said that a first date is the first date.
And if you were like, you may not come on
this trip unless you give me sex, you should have
said that. You didn't say it, right.
Speaker 2 (13:12):
I agree, I didn't.
Speaker 4 (13:13):
You don't have to say it. You don't have to
say it if.
Speaker 2 (13:15):
You read the.
Speaker 1 (13:18):
You know what I'm saying. You know, one's ever read
the fine front of the ticket, but it says it
right there. You got to look a little more carefully,
says Chris.
Speaker 2 (13:24):
Uh.
Speaker 4 (13:24):
It's implied. We flew, we flew to a different city together.
Speaker 3 (13:28):
We didn't done that on the first date. You didn't
present yourself that way. You never said anything, And to me,
it's an implied that. That's like, there are dates that
are very clearly we're gonna go on this date and
there's no expectations we're going to get to know each other.
And there's other dates where you know, if you show
up to that date, the guy is interested in one thing,
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and you show up to those dates knowing that that's
the only thing on his mind, and you were very
much the first.
Speaker 4 (13:56):
That's every date. That's every date you just that's every okay.
Speaker 2 (14:01):
Because here's the thing.
Speaker 1 (14:02):
If Chris had been like, hey, so we getting it on, well,
then I suppose that that makes it very clear. But
then you know, he didn't do that because he knows
that runs the risk of her not going. And then
she could have been like, hey, I'm not by just
for the record, but nothing's happening. That also could have
shut things down. I mean, so yeah, I guess there
could have been a very unromantic conversation about ground rules
to begin, or there just could have been you know,
(14:24):
common human decency, which did happen. But all the while
he's mad about it, and now he won't go out
with her again. I think that's the risk you take.
But look, she doesn't want to go out with you again. Chris,
I'm not I don't think you were used. You took
a shot. It didn't work. I wish you the best, Carl.
I wish you the best as well.
Speaker 3 (14:43):
Thanks, thank you,
I've ever been left waiting by the phone.
Speaker 2 (00:03):
It's the Fredshell.
Speaker 3 (00:05):
Hey Carly, Hey, how's it going? Can you hear me?
Speaker 2 (00:07):
Yes?
Speaker 1 (00:08):
Loud and clear, loud and clear, clear, morning morning to Carly.
What's going on with this guy Chris?
Speaker 2 (00:15):
Who? I guess?
Speaker 1 (00:15):
Why don't you tell us how you met, about any
dates you've been on him and where things are now?
Speaker 4 (00:19):
Or yeah?
Speaker 3 (00:20):
I don't know, man. It was such. It was interesting
because we met on a dating app, and you know
how those are, like sometimes just you get some randos.
But I met this guy Chris, and she was super hot,
and he suggested that we go on a weekend trip
for our first day. Really, and I just, yeah, isn't
that wild?
Speaker 2 (00:40):
That's kind of a bold thing.
Speaker 1 (00:41):
So you meet a guy in a dating app and
he's like, let's go out of town immediately. I mean,
that's that's how Dately episodes started ends.
Speaker 3 (00:48):
But yeah, that's how you end up dead. But you
were like, okay, you know, I was like, he's super hot,
and I thought, you know what, I'm just going to
take the risk, and I thought the worst that could happened.
As we meet at the airport, He's not who he
said he was. And I leave. And the wild thing
is he ended up being totally who he said he was,
(01:10):
and you know he had he had like a hot friends,
so must Pearl Kyle. He looked like he did some things.
And we ended up going to New Orleans. We had
a great weekend. He was a gentleman, he paid for everything.
We had a great time. And then at the end
of the trip we hugged at the airport and I
(01:31):
never heard from him again.
Speaker 1 (01:33):
Really, this dude took you to New Orleans and you're
saying that the trip went well and that he never
called you after the trip Like that is that's a
wild story. I mean you met at random standard and
went on a trip. I will tell you this though, Carly.
When I'm first dating someone, if I think it's going
to go somewhere, which just doesn't happen very often, but
if I think it's going somewhere, I do kind of
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rush the trip effort. Now, not like on the first date,
but you know, within like the first month or two,
because I think you can tell a lot about somebody
about how they travel and how you travel together. And
you know, are they the people that show up after
the flight already left?
Speaker 2 (02:08):
People you know what I mean.
Speaker 1 (02:09):
How much do they pack? You know, do they have
a TSA pre check or not? It's a huge deal for.
Speaker 3 (02:15):
Yeah, Well now I'm wondering. I agree, But now I
am thinking, maybe there's a reason we did that after
a month or two and not the first time we've met.
Speaker 2 (02:24):
But okay, so I get it totally.
Speaker 1 (02:26):
Yeah, you go on a trip with this man and
you think it went well, and then he never calls
you again, and you're like, what, what on earth?
Speaker 2 (02:31):
So we're gonna call this guy, Chris.
Speaker 1 (02:33):
We're gonna ask these questions on your behalf and try
and figure this out. And the hope, of course, as always,
is that we can straighten this out. Maybe there's some
good reason why he hasn't called you, and and maybe
you guys can go out again. We're not paying for
a trip, we don't have that kind of money, but
we'll pay for a table locally and you can go
on that if we can work it out.
Speaker 2 (02:51):
Sound good, sounds great.
Speaker 3 (02:52):
I'm so confused by this dude. That's desire to me.
Speaker 2 (02:55):
So let's see what happens next. Part two.
Speaker 1 (02:57):
Avoiding by the phone after this song on the The
Fred Show, Good Morning, it's The Fred Show, Part two
of Waiting by the Phone. Hey, Carly, all right, always
call this guy Chris. You met on the dating apps
and you just described to us something that I really
haven't heard maybe ever in Waiting by the phone. But
you never met the guy. You just messaged with him.
You thought the profile looked good. He asked you if
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you wanted to go to New Orleans and you said sure.
And you met the guy at the airport and you
went on a trip for the weekend and you say
it went really well, and he was and he says
he was and the trip was a success. Accept Carly,
you told us a minute ago. You haven't heard from
him since then.
Speaker 3 (03:34):
Is exactly right? The airport?
Speaker 1 (03:37):
Yeah, this is wild. Well, let's call Chris here. We
can get him on the phone figure out why he's
ghosting you. Now, all right, good luck, thank you?
Speaker 4 (03:50):
Hello.
Speaker 2 (03:50):
Hi is this Chris Chris?
Speaker 4 (03:54):
Hi?
Speaker 2 (03:54):
Good morning.
Speaker 1 (03:54):
My name is Fred. I'm calling from the Fred Show,
the Morning radio Show. I have to tell you the
whole crew is here. We are on the radio, and
I would need your permission to continue with the call.
Can we chap for just a second, would you mind?
Speaker 4 (04:05):
Do you have to do. I mean, you have to
use my last name.
Speaker 1 (04:08):
No, I'm not going to use your last name. I
don't even know your last name. I'm only using your
first name.
Speaker 4 (04:13):
Sure, so that's fine, that's fine, Yeah, you're sure.
Speaker 1 (04:17):
Okay, Well, so no last name, just Chris. But I'm
calling on behalf of a woman named Carly, who I
guess you just went to New.
Speaker 2 (04:24):
Orleans with you met her on the dating app and
he went to New Orleans. Do you remember this?
Speaker 4 (04:27):
I hope I do remember that.
Speaker 1 (04:30):
Yeah, okay, Well, she reached out to us, had nice
things to say about you, said that, you know, she
took a risk in meeting you with the airport and
going to New Orleans, and she came back alive, which
is nice, right, But she said you were good looking,
you were who you said you were. She said you
were a gentleman on the trip, paid for everything. But
what she's wondering is why you haven't reached out for
another date, because in her opinion, everything went really well.
(04:52):
That was kind of a big risk and everybody went
for it, and here we are. Why are you calling her?
Speaker 4 (04:57):
I mean like this, Okay, she I like to go big,
you know, obviously, I mean it's not very common for
somebody to ask somebody to go on a date New Orleans.
That is, that is a big thing. And she said yes.
And for me, when somebody says that, that means something,
you know. So like, yeah, what I saw at the airport,
everything was lined up. She was hot, just like you know,
(05:19):
just like I expected. She was willing to take a risk,
which is attractive, and everything looked like it was going
to be a great weekend.
Speaker 2 (05:28):
So I was.
Speaker 4 (05:29):
But she I mean, let me just lay it out here.
She didn't want to stay in the same hotel room
as me, which is I mean, that's pretty common knowledge
that that is like part of the deal of something
like this.
Speaker 2 (05:43):
Well, what do you hold on a second, let's stop
right there.
Speaker 1 (05:46):
So when did you learn that she wasn't going to
stay in the same hotel room as you?
Speaker 3 (05:49):
Like?
Speaker 1 (05:49):
Was that part of the Hey, i'll go with you
on this trip and here are the rules? Like, did
you guys text about that ahead of time? Or how
did how did you know that that's what she wanted?
Speaker 4 (05:57):
No, when we got to the hotel is when I
found out. And it's fine, you know, I'm like, like,
you know, I'm willing to pay for everything. But I mean,
number one, it was inconvenient. I found out right when
I'm getting to the hotel. You know, I could have
gotten that information. I mean, it would have screwed up
the whole thing from the get go, but I mean
it still it had been better to get that information early.
But yeah, right when we get to the hotel, I
find out, and you know, we kind of went back
(06:19):
and forth on it, and the compromised, that is what
I would say. We got like two beds in the
same room, which is weird, you know. And she didn't
show any affection, you know, because I I flew her,
I paid for everything, you know, and I just nothing happened,
(06:41):
Like there was no reciprocal action at all.
Speaker 1 (06:46):
Okay, so you know, I mean so you didn't there
was nothing physical. You didn't you didn't have any adult
interaction of the naked, right, uh is what you're saying.
And you're and your sell and and you seeuggested that
if you had known that she wouldn't sleep in the
same bed or room as you. You kind of alluded
to how maybe this trip wouldn't have even happened if
(07:08):
you had known from the beginning.
Speaker 2 (07:09):
Mm hm, Yes, okay, we agree. We agree with that.
Speaker 1 (07:12):
So so basically, because you paid for everything and she
agreed to go, then it was implied that there was
supposed to be other things that happened like that was
just implied by.
Speaker 3 (07:22):
Never said that.
Speaker 1 (07:24):
Oh well there's carl I forgot to mention Carly's here.
I'm very forgetful Carly, Chris. You guys know each other.
But I want to get to this part. So I
just want to be clear. I don't want to mischaracterize here.
You you said, hey, let's go on a trip. I'll
pay for everything. But it wasn't. It had conditions, they
were just unspoken.
Speaker 4 (07:41):
It's in my opinion, it's common knowledge. That is a
common knowledge thing that you know. Otherwise I would have
just taken my buddy. It's common knowledge. You go you.
Speaker 1 (07:58):
Okay, So back to you, Carl, Carlie, it's common knowledge, right,
I mean you heard the man.
Speaker 3 (08:03):
Uh no way, I'm sorry. There's nothing we've just met.
We go on a trip. There's no set recedent for that.
I look on a neuraland date you have some drinks,
you needed a bar, you can make it. We literally
get on a plane. We go straight to the hotel
and I'm going after have some sort of contingency here,
(08:26):
and they didn't talk about it. You sort of made
a very boss minute choice like there what we didn't
talk particulation. They just said we're gonna throw feel it out.
Speaker 4 (08:36):
I mean, that's what you say. Listen, if you didn't
want to get you know, intimate, you shouldn't have agreed
to the trip like it's I would never, I would
never pressure you.
Speaker 3 (08:47):
Didn't. You didn't. You didn't pressure me on a trip.
You didn't say anything. You made it sound like you
were totally having a good a good time, like I
wasn't even aware that you were upset until I didn't
care from you. You didn't say anything either. Nobody. I
can promise you that nobody said that.
Speaker 4 (09:07):
It's like you want a free car and you went
to the lot and you didn't leave a car, like
it didn't make sense.
Speaker 1 (09:16):
Who got a freaky you? What happened? No, Look, here's
the thing. She owes you nothing, Chris. Let's just be
really clear. She doesn't owe you the code.
Speaker 2 (09:23):
Whether they travel or not, though, like even if it
was their hometown, nobody owes you nothing. Nobody owes you anything.
Speaker 1 (09:29):
Now now here, I will say this, and there's a code,
A code I don't know. I will say this, though,
I suppose that it might have been a good thing
to maybe set out some ground rules before we go,
you know what I mean, because I will say if
I'm if I'm staying in a hotel room with a stranger,
I guess I in some ways in my mind, I
(09:51):
think there's a possibility we're just throwing all the rules
out the window.
Speaker 2 (09:54):
We're really just going for it here.
Speaker 1 (09:56):
Honestly, I don't think that's an unfair thing to consider
that being said, she didn't owe you anything. This was
not an this is not this is not a you're
not buying things so that she does other things. That's
there's a there's a name for that. It's the world's
oldest profession, and and and that's something that happens other places.
Speaker 2 (10:15):
But I don't know that.
Speaker 1 (10:16):
Maybe there couldn't have been some kind of conversation from
one side or the other, like, hey, I will accept
this trip for and this is just an example.
Speaker 2 (10:25):
I will accept this trip. I'm excited to go.
Speaker 1 (10:27):
I just want you to know, you know, nothing is
happening here, like we're going to get to know each
other and have a good time. I don't want there
to be any expectations, and maybe I'll get my own
hotel room, just so we're clear about that, because guess what, Chris,
it sounds like you would have said no, I don't
want to go anymore, and then we would have not
exactly where everybody stood.
Speaker 2 (10:46):
No, I'm not I'm not defending you. I'm just trying to.
Speaker 1 (10:54):
Say that I understand why it would it might have
been valuable to discuss these kind of things before you
go on trips with strangers. But she doesn't owe you anything, man,
she owes you nothing.
Speaker 4 (11:05):
You know, in my mind, like I said, there's an
unspoken code and she broke it, and it just you know,
I didn't put any pressure on her the pressure. I
didn't put any pressure. She agreed to go. So there
is that code and it is what is expected, and
I was missing. I feel like I was misled. I
don't think you were misled. I think you took a chance,
(11:26):
and I think it didn't work, and I think she
has every right to not do anything with you. And
and you, guys, it appears that you had a good
time anyway. So why are we blowing it now it
sounds like maybe if you go on another date, like
things could have happened. But now I don't know, Carly,
what do you think you want to go out with
him again and we'll pay for it?
Speaker 3 (11:43):
I mean definitely not now. But that's all that said
before was no rules, So in my mind that means
you go and you see and I feel like you're
right Like he didn't indicate so for me said, he
asked like he was having a good time, and this
(12:03):
is what he was thinking. Is really that's the part
that you know makes me very turned off.
Speaker 4 (12:08):
So this is a blatant example of me being used.
Speaker 2 (12:13):
Is what this is?
Speaker 3 (12:14):
You deserve?
Speaker 2 (12:17):
Yeah, I will use you too. You don't even know
her name. You don't know her favorite color. You went
on a flight like you did. I mean she knows.
Speaker 4 (12:28):
I don't know her favorite color, right she she knows
if I fly first class or coach. You know, she
knows a lot aboutmides.
Speaker 2 (12:38):
New Orleans. And I don't blame city girls. Are okay?
Speaker 1 (12:42):
You you swung being and I respect the move. I
see what you were doing. It didn't work. She doesn't
know that. To you, you don't have a right to
be angry about it. Now, I'm I'm not angry. I'm
not angry. I'm not angry.
Speaker 4 (12:55):
I'm I'm disappointed and I feel used, and I'm just
not you.
Speaker 3 (13:01):
And you said that a first date is the first date.
And if you were like, you may not come on
this trip unless you give me sex, you should have
said that. You didn't say it, right.
Speaker 2 (13:12):
I agree, I didn't.
Speaker 4 (13:13):
You don't have to say it. You don't have to
say it if.
Speaker 2 (13:15):
You read the.
Speaker 1 (13:18):
You know what I'm saying. You know, one's ever read
the fine front of the ticket, but it says it
right there. You got to look a little more carefully,
says Chris.
Speaker 2 (13:24):
Uh.
Speaker 4 (13:24):
It's implied. We flew, we flew to a different city together.
Speaker 3 (13:28):
We didn't done that on the first date. You didn't
present yourself that way. You never said anything, And to me,
it's an implied that. That's like, there are dates that
are very clearly we're gonna go on this date and
there's no expectations we're going to get to know each other.
And there's other dates where you know, if you show
up to that date, the guy is interested in one thing,
(13:49):
and you show up to those dates knowing that that's
the only thing on his mind, and you were very
much the first.
Speaker 4 (13:56):
That's every date. That's every date you just that's every okay.
Speaker 2 (14:01):
Because here's the thing.
Speaker 1 (14:02):
If Chris had been like, hey, so we getting it on, well,
then I suppose that that makes it very clear. But
then you know, he didn't do that because he knows
that runs the risk of her not going. And then
she could have been like, hey, I'm not by just
for the record, but nothing's happening. That also could have
shut things down. I mean, so yeah, I guess there
could have been a very unromantic conversation about ground rules
to begin, or there just could have been you know,
(14:24):
common human decency, which did happen. But all the while
he's mad about it, and now he won't go out
with her again. I think that's the risk you take.
But look, she doesn't want to go out with you again. Chris,
I'm not I don't think you were used. You took
a shot. It didn't work. I wish you the best, Carl.
I wish you the best as well.
Speaker 3 (14:43):
Thanks, thank you,
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