Coffee, Conferences, and Comebacks: The State of Podcasting Today

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Dave Jackson (00:00):
Ask the Podcast Coach for August 23rd 2025.
Let's get ready to podcast.
There it is.
It's that music.
That means it's Saturdaymorning.
It's time for Ask the PodcastCoach, where you get your
podcast questions answered live.
I'm Dave Jackson fromtheschoolofpodcastingcom, and

(00:21):
joining me right over there isthe one and only Jim Coulson
from TheAverageGuytv.

Jim Collison (00:26):
Jim how's it going ?
Buddy Greetings, dave.
Happy Saturday morning to you.
Always good to be with you andwelcome back from Podcast
Movement.
I'm sure we'll talk about it,but you don't have the movement
voice.

I know Usually it's way down here like welcome
to the Ask the Podcast Coach.
Yeah, it's more of a PeterBrady brady thing where, like I
know, uh, wednesday night it wasfunny because I'm talking to
this lovely woman who's all ofmaybe 26 and I go and I just,
every other thing was just, youknow, I said, man, I'm, I go,

(01:00):
it's not even I go.
I got to talk tomorrow and I'vegot Peter Brady voice and I
looked at her and I go.
You have no idea who PeterBrady is, do you?
And she goes.
No, I go, brady Bunch, and shegoes.

Marty (01:10):
Oh, I've heard of that and I was like, yeah, so that
was fun.

But yeah, podcast movement was fun.
We can talk about that.
But the one thing they did havethere in plenty for $150 a
gallon if you wanted some, I'mnot making that up Did you have
it delivered to the booth?
No just they had these stationseverywhere and I forget who was
talking to Dan and they saidyeah, it's $150 a gallon.

(01:35):
Wow For that lovely.

Well, this isn't as expensive.

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(02:24):
He's been podcasting since 2013, which is beautiful because you
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is and make sure it matches.
So the website againpodcastbrandingco.

(02:46):
Go tell him, dave.

Marty (02:48):
And Jim sent you.

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(03:43):
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Absolutely.
Yeah, uncle Marv says porkchops and applesauce All right.
So boomers unite.
Exactly, stephanie Graham saysI recommend podcast hot seat.
Yeah, you can hear her when Iwent over and did the review.
So very cool.
I don't know if somebody isasking about that where they can
.
You know, everybody always sayshow can I love the fact that

(04:04):
there are two, two things thatalways come at Podcast Movement,
which is how do I grow my show?
But my content is fine.
That's always hand in handtogether.
The, you know, the one thingI've never done at Podcast
Movement and it was thehighlight almost of the week and
I got to do it this week, ifyou remember Cap Show, right,
deed Rishen, I believe, is howyou pronounce her last name.

(04:26):
I just, I always just call herDee has a three-month-old
daughter who is absolutelyadorable and it's weird because
I look over and she's halfasleep and she's in her little,
you know, stroller thing.
And I'm talking to Deed Rishen.
She's like do you do cuddles?
And I go, do I do cuddles?

(04:49):
And she just picks up her kidand hands it to me and I'm like,
oh, I love cuddles.
And then she smelled like ababy, acted like a baby and in,
in, in true female fashion,instantly cried and wanted
nothing to do with me.
And I'm like well, that'sthat's my start pushing back.
Yeah, you know they startpushing against you.
You're like they do not want tobe close to you.
I love that age, yeah.
And then the other thing thatthey're doing is they have let

(05:10):
me see if I can find this they,they still have cap show, but
and I put the wrong button theystarted something called tuli
and I believe it is tulicom.
But you know, as it is, yeah,let, yeah, let me.
Oh, it's fun, I got to.
The fun thing is my stream deckis not working this morning, so
switching screens is not as funas usual, but that should.

(05:34):
You should see Thule,t-u-u-l-i-e.
And what they've done is youknow they have CapShow, which is
an all-in-one, and they'vebasically said you know they
have CapShow, which is anall-in-one, and they've
basically said you know, peoplewill use one thing in CapShow
and then they quit becauseCapShow's not the cheapest thing
on the planet and they're likeI'm really just using one thing

(05:56):
in it.
So they've now taken it andtaken AI tools and broken them
into like well, what do you need?
Well, I was just using it forimage, or I was just using it
for transcripts, and so you cankind of a la carte your AI stuff
, and I was like very to me.
I just thought it was coolbecause it was a different.
What would you call it adifferent strategy?

(06:17):
They still have, you know, theother one.
But I was like, well, that'skind of different, so that was
new.
I'm trying to think if therewas anything.
There were many things that wethought were missing, and this
is not a podcast movement bash.
But no Spotify, no Descript, noiHeart booth there was an

(06:40):
iHeart party.
There were a bunch of otherkind of big sponsors that
weren't there and we're like,well, that's kind of different.
B&h was there and I don'tremember B&H being at other
podcast events so they had aginormous booth with tons of
gear.
So if you wanted to get yourgear on, they, they.
That was.

(07:00):
I had.
A few people are like.
They were asking me about theRode video switcher.
They're like, is that good?
I go go talk to Todd, becauseTodd has one and I know, as far
as I know, he loves it.
But got to see Daniel's in thechat room, got to see Daniel a
little bit and got a quick demoof a tool he's coming out with

(07:23):
Daniel, are we allowed to saywhat it is?
Yet?
I know he's been teasing it forquite some time, but that's
going to be pretty cool.
And yeah, uh, there was races.
There was no around the layoutpodcast booth nope, there was
none of that.
But I'm trying to think ifthere's anything new that I'd
not.

Dogs, dogs, beer there were no dogs, just.

Just lots of walking and lots of talking.
And even the I Heart the partywas not quite so, because they
took us to a place that hadthese outdoor pickleball courts,
and I don't know if you've everheard of Texas, but it's not
the coolest place on the planetNot last week either, yeah, and

(08:03):
so I had a suit jacket.
You've ever heard of Texas?

Marty (08:04):
but it's not the coolest place on the planet, not last
week either, yeah, and so.

I had a suit jacket on over a T-shirt and I'm
like, yeah, I'm not playingpickleball.
And luckily there was a thingon the inside, because nothing
tastes better than free I heartshrimp.
I'm here to tell you I was like, oh, there's food here.
I'm like so, but that was fun,and it was actually a place
where you could you you had totalk over the people, because

(08:28):
it's weird, because I heardpeople say that they reported 3
500 people there and everybodythere was like I don't know, I
don't think so, because it's agiant, a ginormous hotel.
It's like a city unto itself.
So, unless unless you've got10,000 people there, it's going
to be looking kind of half full.

(08:48):
But when we got them to the Iheart party, like oh, there are
a lot of people here, because itwas a much smaller venue.
So, yes, daniel is working on anapp for chapters.
I did get to see it, watched aquick demo, and so if your host
doesn't do anything withchapters, then you know this
would be a great tool.

(09:09):
Or it also his chapters workfor podcasting 2.0 and 1.0.
And the fact that they actuallyinject the chapters into the
MP3.
So Coach Dave says my streamdeck has started acting out too.
Wonder if anyone else has asimilar experience.
It might be an update.
Yeah, I rebooted my computer andthen checked and it was like,

(09:32):
oh, stream Deck needs a newupdate.
So I did that and then none ofmy buttons worked.
And the problem is I added abunch of new buttons and then
did not back up my Stream Deck,because normally you just go
oh'll just restore the backup.
Well, my backup isn't up todate, so I will probably do that
anyway and just redo the newbuttons rather than redoing.
But yeah, some of it works.

(09:54):
I can.
I can turn my lights on and off, but anything that chooses a
scene it's like I don't knowwhat you mean.
So I like Ecamm.
It's great for live streaming,but there are times when the
combo of Stream Deck and Ecammis kind of what's the word?
Frustrating.

I have an equation right Options, equal confusion,
and so I learned that from someguys long ago and it's kind of
true.
You know, you get, get you knowwhat's the open source one I
was freaking forgetting rightnow yeah, yeah, it's that one
why is it?

Marty (10:30):
you know, everybody knows we're talking about right.

I know it's been a long week.
It'll come to us in a second,doesn't matter, it's got.
So I know, isn't that crazythat neither one of us they'll
throw it in the chat room herein just a second?
I want to say like blue cam orno, it's some whizzy whizzy blue
.
I don't, I can't remember thatfor what?
it doesn't, doesn't matter, thechat room will throw it in here
in a second.
But the point I think the pointof that is is you, you know, we

(10:56):
, we sometimes we build software.
Or this is what happens tosoftware companies that listen
to every bit of feedback thatthey get from their customers
and they create these more andmore and more complex systems
because they try to beeverything for everybody.
This is CapShow right.
And so then they like what weneed is something that's a

(11:17):
little bit easier for our users,and so they start backing some
of those out, or they create ascaled down version or they do
some of those kinds of things.
So it's just, you know, you'vegot to.
From that perspective, when youtry to be everything for all
people in everyone, then you'relike then you're I don't want to
say you're good for no one,because there's folks that

(11:38):
figure it out, but it is, youknow, in the maturity cycle of
software, if you try to be allthings, you're absolutely
nothing, and a lot of folks arelike I don't know, and you got
to charge for it.
So then folks say to thequestion, like is it worth the
whatever?
Obs?
Yeah, thank you, rich, rich gotit.
Obs.

Tell him what he's won yeah.

I don't know why, I couldn't remember that.
But so, anyways, I think, dave,I think we got to be this is
the, I think you know back toyour podcast movement.
I think this is we're in thecycle of, we're in the trough of
disillusionment for mostpodcasters.
You know there's a whole bunchthat are doing.
There's a few that are doingreally, really well.
That's great, but most of thepodcasters they're just doing

(12:21):
okay.
Right In the Gartner hype cycle,right there's this on the
backside of this peak and weprobably peaked a couple years
ago there's this trough ofdisillusionment where people
struggle.
They ask questions like ispodcast movement worth it?
Should I?
You know, this is why Spotifywasn't there.
I mean, they've got goodmarketing folks that are like,

(12:45):
yeah, we're at the bottom of thecycle.
It almost never means that inthe bottom, in the trough, the
thing goes away.
Sometimes it does, but in thetrough there's lots of questions
being asked and I actuallythink this is the best
opportunity for independentpodcasters right now to think
how do I retool for the future?
Like if you were ever thinkingabout I want to stay around, but

(13:08):
I need to do something.
Right now is the time to try awhole bunch of things, or to
figure some things out, or todouble down because everybody
else is getting out, they'relike, oh, whatever.
And in business and I think,and in podcasting, you got to be
counter to what the culture isdoing.
So, when everybody's gettingout, you got to be getting in.

(13:28):
When everybody's because you,and it's frustrating because
you're like nobody's hereanymore, yeah, that's actually a
great opportunity.
As people are leaving the door,you should be the one staying,
saying, yeah, you know what I'mgoing to double down on this
thing.
Staying saying, yeah, you knowwhat I'm going to double down on
this thing, because I mean, Iremember, you know, a couple

(13:49):
years ago, bitcoin backed itsway up and everybody's like, oh,
this is over.
Well, it's not over now.
And a lot of people jumped offthe train back when it was
30,000 and it's 120 now.
And you know, I think podcasthas these cycles.
Friends, I want to tell you like, don't be discouraged.
There's some.
I've been reading some realnegativity coming out of podcast

(14:09):
movement, from podcasters.
Oh, nobody was there, you know,it was too big Vendor halls,
blah, blah, blah.
I think this is the green lightfor independent podcasters to
say, okay, we're at the bottom,what do we do now?
How do we retool?
How do we start reaching people?
How do we do things?
I think now is the time tostart.

(14:30):
If you're ready to go on this,now is the time to double down
and say, okay, what's the nextversion of this?
Look like Whether that'spodcasting 2.0 or whatever we're
doing.
If you're in, double down,now's not the time.
You're welcome to get out.
But if you want to stay in,don't be frustrated with it.

(14:51):
Figure out where we're goingwith this thing, figure out what
the next thing is for you andthen do it, double down as you
do it.
Do we have a guest?

We do have a guest , the one and only Marty.
I'm going to guess Sobo S-O-B-Oand yeah, and so Steph and
everybody else talking aboutpodcast movement.
We'll get to that in a second.
I want to hear what Marty hasto say, so in theory I have
assigned him to okay.

Can you hear me.

Yeah, we can hear you.
Great, excellent, how are you?

Marty (15:20):
I am good.
Thank you, how are you Firsttime here?
But I love your show and whatyou do, and so I wanted to check
this out and see what you guyswere all about with the live
show on Saturdays.
Yeah, so do you have a podcast?
I do.
Actually, I'm actually blind.

I lost my vision 10 years ago and we specialize
in technology for people who arelow vision and blind community.
So that's where we're at.
Oh, there we go.
Excellent, well, do you haveany questions?
That's basically what we do, iswe?
We kind of talk about what'sgoing on and then when somebody
has a question, you can come onin.
Or Stephanie added one in thechat room and I've got 20 years

(15:57):
in podcasting.
Jim, you've got 18, 15, 15, 15.

Marty (16:02):
Okay, I've been out there kind of searching around,
looking to see what's out there,and you were very intriguing,
dave, because we grew uplistening to very much the same
kind of music.
I'm very into music and so thatwas kind of the thing for me to
go oh, let me start listeningto your stuff.
And so I did, and what you guysdo is great.
I really enjoyed a lot.

Excellent, but yeah, that's uh, we've been
doing this over 10 years now,and something like that.

Yeah, let me ask, let me ask you a question.
I mean, you're in a niche,right, Uh, with your podcasting,
what, what kind of?
When you think about what worksbest for you in the, in the
community that you serve, andthat you work with what, what,
what's working best for you inyour niche as far as podcasting
goes?

Marty (16:48):
I would say the first thing is that I love podcasting
and I do not look at podcastingas a way to depend on making
money.
A lot of people who have losttheir vision I help with their
technology, like, for example,using their iPhone.
For example, they don't knowwhat the accessibility features
are, like voiceover, zoom andstuff like that, and a lot of

(17:11):
people aren't even techie andthey now have to live with a
slab of glass that they have noreal interest in and they're not
techie people.
So it's getting over thatlittle bit of emotion that
they've lost their vision andthey're going through that whole
thing while also having to dosomething they have no interest
in.
But once they realize that theyhave someone that they can

(17:35):
relate to like for myself, Ilost my vision and I'm now
helping them then they come downa few notches and they're able
to sort of saturate what they'redoing.
And I don't charge reallyanybody any money to help them
out and stuff like that.
I try to just pay it forward.

Do you?
What kind of tools do you use?
Obviously, you know you'regoing to have to use some.
You know tools for for vision,that that you can't see what.
What are you using that'shelping you make all this stuff
work.
This, this is at work.
We get asked all the time abouttools to help people.
We have people take anassessment and, of course, it's

(18:10):
got to read to them.
So what kind of tools do youuse that helps?

Marty (18:14):
you out.
So I'm all a Mac person, soeverything that Mac does, they
build in the accessibilityfeature.
So I use what's calledvoiceover, which is across the
Mac platform as well as the iOSplatform, and you turn that on.
And once you turn that on andyou adjust it to whatever your
needs are for example how fastit talks, things like that then

(18:37):
it reads to you everything onthe screen.
So you know, like mail, it'llsay mail, and then you can click
that and open it.
Or you can say messages It'llclick that and open it.
So that's pretty cool.
Once you get into the thirdparty kind of situation, it
starts to get a little sketchy,because not everybody develops
for the accessibility features.

(18:57):
It took me a while to sort offigure out what I was going to
do and how I was going to do itwith like all the podcasting
stuff that I do.
So ultimately, if you'resomeone who's new getting into
podcasting, I would probablyrecommend like an Audio-Technica
ATR2100X, because that has XLRand USB-C and so you don't need

(19:19):
an interface.
You can plug it directly intoyour computer and it's really
easy.
You just kind of go for it.
Plug it directly into yourcomputer and it's really easy.
You just kind of go for it.
But if you like, for my setup Ihave an interface that's all
analog, so that I don't need toworry about the inaccessible
software.
Yeah very cool, I can controleverything.

What kind of feedback do you get from your
audience, like, what's youraudience size, do you think, and
what kind of feedback do youget from them?

Marty (19:45):
We don't have a huge giant audience, but on our
average we get about three to400 downloads every few days,
something like that.

So it's not huge but we're very niche-y.

Marty (19:56):
I mean, what am I going to?
You know?

Yeah, it doesn't need to be huge.
One of the one of the you justyou, just you know kind of
confirmed a point I was makingbefore you came on is that we're
I think we're in a space whereit's the hyper niche is going to
be the place to be for mostpodcasters.
Yeah, and you're in that now.
I mean you're serving acommunity.
It's not.

(20:19):
It's not a giant community tobegin with, but there are people
who have those needs right.
They need to be able to hearfrom you and be supported by you
and give, be encouraged by you.
And I want to get, I want us tostop.
I think we need to stopthinking that huge is the goal.
I actually think engagement isthe goal and I bet you have
really good engagement with your, with the folks that are

(20:42):
listening.
Right, are you getting somefeedback?
Are you able to haveconversations kind of beyond the
podcast, where you have someindividual conversations with
them, and are you getting thatkind of engagement?

Marty (20:53):
Yeah, absolutely.
We're not currently doing itright now, but we used to do a
live show, similar to this, ofwhat you guys are doing right
now, and we would have peoplecome in and they would ask their
tech questions, and all of themwere mostly basic stuff, but
with accessibility how do Ihandle this situation?
Or this broke, how do I fixthat, or what app is going to do

(21:15):
this or solve that problem?
So we used to do that an hour aweek and that's you know.

Well, we have a question right now from Coach
Dave Well we have a questionright now from Coach Dave.

Marty (21:35):
He says I want to know how Marty can take or keep notes
when you're doing your researchand assembling you know kind of
the episodes.
What tools are you using forthat kind of stuff type as well?
People love mechanicalkeyboards and things like that,
but you don't want that to beheard in the background and as I
save stuff.
There's some good tools outthere that are really good.
There's one called oh my gosh,what's it called?

(21:56):
It's a links program.
It's like a read it laterprogram and it's called good
links actually is what it'scalled, and the reason why I
like that app so much is becauseit does have a cost to it Not
much a couple dollars a month.
But it works on all myplatforms so phone, mac,
computer as well as iPad, andwhen I save information to it it

(22:17):
strips out everything, so thatI'm not dealing with pop-ups and
everything else.
It just gives me straight thecontent and it works great with
voiceover.
So a lot of times I'll go to awebsite and the website has all
kinds of pop-ups and this andthat and the other, and you're
pretty much dead in the water,you know.
So yeah.

Yeah, so you need to block those in a lot of cases
, right, just for usability, soyou don't have things showing up
on your screen.

Marty (22:42):
Yeah, I mean, there's a lot of Safari plugins that block
pop-ups and things like that,but they always seem to break or
be problematic.
So I decided to just kind ofget an app that does it for you
and do it that way.
So if there's something that'sreally intriguing, then I will
save it and throw it in thereand go back and read it without

(23:03):
any hassle.
It just is the text and it'sreally straightforward.
I guess the other thing I do isalso use an RSS reader as well.

Yeah, yeah, it's good stuff.
Marty, do you find folks withsight listen to you as well, who
maybe work with those thatdon't?
Is that you know?
Sometimes we think, well, itwould.
Just it's that niche, thatmaybe it would only be those
who've lost their sight.
But you have folks that thatstill have it listening to your
podcast.

Marty (23:34):
Yeah, and I say that at the end of the day, we really
all the information works foranybody really.
So you know, say like you'renot sure how to do something, it
works the same.
But if you add the voiceover toit, it's just walking somebody
through how to do it with thevoiceover turned on.
But once somebody learns how touse voiceover, it kind of is
the same information.
Once somebody knows voiceover,I don't need to say you know, do
a two-figure swipe to here andthen double-click that and click

(23:57):
in here.
Once you've learned voiceover,you don't need to keep
explaining it.
With voiceover you can do thesame, like if you're finding,
say, you want to turn up yourscreen brightness, right, you
would still go into settings, gointo screen brightness, turn up
your screen brightness towhatever you are happy with or
whatever works for you.
If you're talking to someonethat needs to use an
accessibility feature likevoiceover, you just add in the

(24:19):
beginning you know, go tosettings, double click that you
know and you add those swipesand clicks for voiceover.
But once you know, go tosettings, double click that you
know and you add those swipesand and clicks for voiceover.
But once you know it, you don'tneed to keep saying it.
That's just how you kind of useyour, your device, once you
know it yeah, cool.

Last question for me, dave, and then we'll let him
go.
But, marty, or is ai beinghelpful to you at all in, you
know, in the last year, as it'sgotten, you know, is it a help
for you?
Absolutely.

Marty (24:47):
I would.
I'm a chat GPT user and I wouldsay that I write my own stuff,
but it's definitely great forsome research.
You know, it's kind of spicesup your you know research some
of the time.
If you want to just put alittle bit of polish on
something, then those are kindof the things that I use it for
cool very cool.

Well, hey, man, thanks for stopping by, we
appreciate it yeah, thanks forhaving me.

Marty (25:12):
It's uh awesome to hear you guys and I'm a fan, so I'll
be hanging around all, right,yeah thanks for jumping in.

We'll see you.

Yeah, yep bye, yep , bye.
That's very cool.
Meanwhile, the chat room had abunch of questions and so, oh
crap, we forgot to ask Martywhat his website was.

We did.
We're bad.
We're bad hosts, sorry.

Sorry, Marty.

If you can throw it in chat, if you can in our
YouTube chat.

Or the name of the show.
Yeah, put the name in there,that'd be great.
Wait, hold on, is he?

still can I have him back if I go here.

Add to placeholder .
He's still here, I think.
Marty, can you hear us?
Or can we hear you because Iremoved him from the cameras?
I've added him back back.
He might be muted, all right.
Well, never mind, remove fromcameras.
Okay, the question we have fromStephanie is what do you think

(26:12):
about Captivate getting intoediting, into the editing game?
Well, she's getting it, they'regetting into the recording game
and Riverside getting intohosting, which I thought it was
interesting.
James was walking around thefloor talking to people,
thinking he was using hishandheld little microphone and

(26:32):
he was using the built-in laptopmicrophone.
And Buzzsprout has wow, what'sthe thing that cleans up
everything Auphonic built intoit.
They call it magic mastering.
It actually didn't sound thatbad.
So kudos to Auphonic MagicMastering.
It actually didn't sound thatbad.
So kudos to Auphonic.
For me, number one, if I'm goingto get into anything I don't
know that I would get intorecording.

(26:53):
I need to double check.
I know Libsyn did have LibsynConnect for a while, but I
haven't heard them talk about itin a very long time and I'm
like did they undo that?
Because it's one thing to helpedit the recording, it's another
thing to get the recording.
And if you mess that up likeit's like a wedding photographer

(27:17):
, you can't go.
Hey, everybody, can we go backinside and pretend that they're
not married?
Like that would be.
So that's my only worry.
I'm like, because I know, whenI was at Lipson and they added
Lipson Connect, I was like, oh,as a support person, I'm like
please, never, ever, ever, havea mistake, because you know

(27:37):
somebody interviews the biggestperson in their space and then
that's the one that you know.
So kudos for them for havingthe I don't know courage to do
that Riverside into hosting.
I did email them and said, hey,like, can you shed some light

(27:58):
on that?
Like, are you going to be IABcertified?
Are you going to have dynamiccontent, are you?
You know, there's also the otherone is like we've seen people
like Kajabi when they firstjumped into being a podcast host
that they didn't have a 301redirect, so if you moved over
there and they were awful, youcouldn't move back.

(28:18):
And now they have since fixedthat.
But I was just like, oh, here'sanother company kind of jumping
into hosting, but Riverside gota boat ton of money, vc money
and they've been adding newfeatures ever since.
So I'm like I know.
I mean Stephen knows me, I knowhim.

(28:39):
I'm like, oh look, it's the guyfrom the Riverside videos.
So I talked to them a little bitand James was talking to them
and asked them about the hostingand they're like, yeah, we're
just, we just announced it.
At this point Details arecoming.
So I know, I know it worksbecause there are people on pod

(28:59):
page that put in the feed fromRiverside.
So you know not a lot ofdetails on that, but my thing is
I'm kind of like Dan.
He says he's not a big fan ofall-in-one software.
It ends up being able to doeverything and not be great at a
ton of it.
And that's my whole thought.
I'm like hmm, so I knowCaptivate is getting into the

(29:24):
advertising game where you'll beable to get those awesome you
know point zero, zero, five centads per download.
You know the five dollar CPM.
Those are coming your way andcaptivate, which will be in a
way, captivate, you'll be ableto record your episode.
You'll be able to do your owndynamic stuff and get dynamic
ads if you want them think thatwas a the the things they

(29:47):
announced.
So we, we shall see.
But I, I just to me, I guessI've always wondered if some
podcasters feel having adsvalidates their show.
Like I'm a real podcaster nowbecause I got ads and I'm like,
yeah, but you make, like I madethree dollars and forty seven

(30:08):
cents last month on Red Circleon a show that is dead so but
nonetheless.
But I paid them nine dollars toget three dollars and forty
seven cents.
So you know, if I added a newepisode, that might be different
because it's just that's justmy back catalog.
But that's where I, when I sayit's five5 CPM, it's because I

(30:28):
did the math it's $5 CPM.
So I mean I'm excited thatthere's new things.
That just, you know, I rememberthe days when you would
actually we still say hey, rollup your window and you don't
really roll anymore.
You push a button up yourwindow and to me, the more you
add, the more you can break.
You push a button up yourwindow and to me, the more you

(30:48):
add, the more you can break.
As a guy that's worked forsoftware companies, I know that
when you add stuff you breakstuff as well.
So I'll be interested to see.
I did hear that they're mergingRandy Blackass thoughts on the
podcast movement soundsprofitable merger.
So I saw Brian Barletta, whoI've known for years, and I said
, brian, look man, you are thead guy I go.

(31:15):
When I look at you, you're oneof those.
I go.
You live and breathe in theadvertising space and I go my
knee.
Jerk.
Reaction is next year it's justgoing to be ads, ads and more
ads.
And oh, here's anotherpresentation about ads.
And he's like no, no, no, hegoes.
We are all about the creator,he goes.
Now, if that creator wants tomake money from ads, absolutely
I can help them with that andI'd help a lot of people that

(31:36):
he's like but we're all aboutthe creator.
And I was like okay.
And then I heard you know that,hey, they're not going to be at
the Gaylord, which I was likehallelujah, when the discounted
rate is $249, you're passivelyaggressively telling independent
podcasters we don't want youbecause nobody can afford that
crap.
Everybody I talked to that Iknew there was not staying at

(31:57):
the Gaylord.
They're like 250 and I no,thank you.
And so John Jemango sayspodcast movement is in NYC next
year.
I might attend.
But the thing that got me Iheard the phrase hey, they're
not going to be at the Gaylord.
I was like, yes, now we'regoing to move someplace
affordable.
And then they said New YorkCity.
And I'm like not top of my listwhen I hear the phrase

(32:19):
affordable.
But I will say the people I metin the podcast movement that
didn't have a show, that werelike, yeah, I'm thinking of
starting one.
We're all from Dallas.
They were all local people.
Everybody that was I've known,for you know our people that
come on up to the booth.
They've been podcasting for acouple of years.
So you know Dan says yeah, much, much, go ahead.

(32:42):
No, no, go ahead, finish it.
Dan says he much rather prefersoftware that's great at what it
does in the overall productionpipeline.
Yeah, I don't ever.
I'm with dan, I would ratherhave the software for making
chapters and the software for,like I hear that like descript
has studio sound, pretty amazingtool for cleaning things up.

(33:05):
I haven haven't played withRiverside's tool but like, if
that's not as good as studiosound, you're going to end up
going well, I use Riversidebecause, like I will say, it's
impressive.
I've been interviewed and I'vebeen, you know, on Riverside as
a guest and when it gets doneit's like oh, here's a clip you
can share now.

(33:25):
And I'm like wait, I justliterally now.
Usually what happens is theinterview's over and they hit
stop and so the files haveuploaded.
But the minute the files areuploaded, that thing's making
clips and it's like, hey, you,just you know your interview is
over.
If you want to share that, youwere on the show here's and I
was like, well, this is going tobe crap.
And I hit play and I was likethat's actually a really good

(33:47):
clip.
So it's going to be interestingto see.
But I am a I'm of the Danpersuasion.
I don't have a problem goinglike I will take, I will take
something from.
Oh, what am I using now?
Squadcast, I'll take that.
If it's an interview, run itthrough resoundfm, I think it is

(34:10):
.
I forget the name of it, but itwill do a much better job.
I like I have a little morecontrol over removing ums.
I know Descript does that, butI love the fact that I can hear
the say yes, get rid of it.
And then listen to the edit,like that.
And so I'll blow through a40-minute thing that used to
take me an hour and a half inabout 20 minutes, if not less

(34:30):
than that.
And so I'll blow through a 40minute thing that used to take
me an hour and a half in about20 minutes, if not less than
that.
So, but that's what thatfeature does it removes ums and
lets you hear them.
You know, and does Descript dothat?
Sure, Does RiverDisc do that?
Yeah, but I like that tool andwhen it's done I export it.
So, yeah, I do have to wait forit to export the new version of
it.
You know, and go from there.
Jim, I cut you off.

Yeah, going back to the podcast movement, you
know I feel sorry for those guysthat organized that.
You were talking about New YorkCity and if you don't pick a
decent location, then there'shalf the people are like, well,
I'm not going to go.
Like, hey, a podcast movementOklahoma City or Oklahoma, or
podcast movement Omaha Bothcities, large, host, great, have

(35:14):
facilities that could handleand in fact Omaha would be a
great place to have podcastmovement.
We have a facility that wouldfit that perfectly.
3,500 would be, would feelright.
You know, it'd be like man,this thing is right.
But then the other half of theaudience goes, goes, I don't
want to go to omaha.
Like why would I go to omaha?
That's like I don't want to gothere.

(35:35):
So we we're such hypocrites onthis, on this, on these events,
that you know we're like, oh,they're so expensive.
And so they go to a destination, they go to orlando, and then
everybody's like it's soexpensive here, right, you know,
like they can't.
I feel sorry for those guys.
They can't win.
They went to an affordableplace.

(35:56):
They get laughed out of the.
You know, if they announcedpodcast movement omaha, even
though we host, you know, ncaatournaments, we host the
swimming hello cleveland, youknow cleveland, yeah, cleveland,
no, right on, we're better thancleveland, but the just say it,
I'm just, it's probably true.
Yes, but so, friends, I guessI'm I'm gonna just speak to the

(36:20):
greater podcasting community.
Don't don't like, we we've gotit.
If we want, if we want it to bemore affordable and more
accessible or more those kindsof things, we got to give them
that feedback.
And then when they do that,like I mean dallas is not new
york, so it's a little, but it'snot, it's not the cheapest
place in the world.
I mean you can go eight hoursnorth into oklahoma city and get

(36:43):
a lot better rates.
But then people are like so whenyou, when you have folks that
do this and they host them inaffordable cities, if that's
your gig, affordability is yourgig go, you have to go.
You have to support them forthose kinds of decisions,
otherwise we're going to end upin New York or LA or you know
whatever, and you're like, oh mygosh.

(37:03):
So anyways, I just I felt likethat's my you, that's my PSA for
the morning.
Let's not be hypocrites on thisthing.
If you're going to do that withprice when they do it, you got
to go.
Dave, you don't have any choice.
That's your job, you have to go.

So you don't get choices.
Well, and if you wantaffordable empoweredpodcasting.
com, the Empowered PodcastingConference conference happening
next month, September 26ththrough the 28th, at the lovely
Charlotte, North Carolina, whereI'll be speaking and looking
forward to that, and my buddyMarty is back.
Marty, if you could unmuteyourself, I will add you.

Sorry, we didn't.
Sorry, we didn't ask you.
We really want to know where wecan find your podcast.
Folks were asking.

Yeah, I got it.
Let me see if I can hear me.
Yeah, we can hear you.
Great, excellent.
Where can we find your podcast?

Marty (37:54):
You can go to unmuteshow and you'll find everything there
.
It's under the unmute podcastnetwork.

Oh, there we go, unmuteshow.
Why unmute?

Marty (38:09):
What's the story behind that?
The story behind that is in2000, when the world was
changing and everybody wastrying to figure out how to use
Zoom and all of those tools.
It was kind of a joke.
Everyone was trying to figureout how you unmute yourself, how
do you unmute yourself, and itturned into a joke.
And then one night I woke up inthe middle of the night and I
went oh wow, unmute.
Unmute is how do you unmuteyourself?
Ask your question, advocate foryourself, get your voice heard,

(38:30):
be out there, be heard.
That's kind of where that camefrom.

Love it.
I love it.
That's awesome.
Sorry, we missed you on gettingthat.
No, no, no.

Marty (38:38):
No problem.
I do actually have a question,since you're talking about the
podcast conferences, twoquestions.
Question number one is is thereone on the West Coast, because
I'm actually on the West Coastand everyone seems to be on the
other side of the country.
And two, like you were saying,to make them more affordable or
more accessible to more people,they should offer a ticket price

(38:59):
that can be virtual as well, sothat if you can't afford to fly
to hotels and do all thosethings, you can still get the
information virtually throughZoom or whatever tool.

That's the good news is podcast movement.
The new president, brianBarletta, of Sounds Profitable,
because Sounds Profitable andpodcast movement have merged and
so Dan is still running podcastmovement and Brian is now the
president of and that's where hekind of explained if you go to
sounds profitablecom, there area couple articles about it, but

(39:33):
brian was like hey when first ofall, he said every session is
now recorded audio and video andwhen, as soon as they're done,
edited, they're going to be onyoutube.
He's like I do not want to putany friction on a growing
industry that needs people to beeducated like he's so he's like
as soon as they're ready,they're going to be out, and

(39:54):
they typically used to be eastcoast, chicago, west coast,
chicago east coast.
And what we don't know is weknow next year they went to new
york city because they weresupposed to go to San Diego next
year, oh yeah.
And they went to New York City.
And what we're all kind ofwondering is is it going to stay

(40:15):
in New York City?
Like Podfest is almost alwaysin Tampa or Orlando, it's always
in Florida.
So because I heard somebody saysomething like it's moving to
New York City, and I'm like, ok,they didn't say next year, they
made it sound like it was apermanent home.
I hope that's not the case, butwe'll see.

(40:36):
But yeah, it does move.
And the thing that makes theseevents so like why don't we have
more of them is they weregiving away tickets towards the
end, because you buy a giantblock of hotel rooms and when
you're at the Gaylord that's$2.50 a night and if somebody

(40:58):
doesn't buy that, you are on thehook.
Because somebody said they weregiving away packages for $1,000
, and that included the hotel.
Well, that really is just thehotel, and then you're getting a
free ticket.

Marty (41:12):
I'm sure they charge a crazy amount of money for food
and everything else.

Oh yeah, it was, $250 was the discounted rate for
the hotel and it was basicallyI was there three days.
If I had come the first daythat would have been $4.
So yeah, that would have been$1,000.
And the gay lord's neat and youknow flashing lights and you
know, but I don't, I'd have togo back and look and see what

(41:36):
the burger that I ate usually aburger's 20 bucks, you know.

So marty, what?
What part of the country areyou in where we're?

Marty (41:41):
california, exactly southern california.
Yeah, no, oh perfect.

Yeah, and you would think I mean they've been
out there before.
I don't.
As I look ahead, I don't seeany.
I think this is as I wastalking earlier.
I think, again, the industry ischanging and we're in this
trough of disillusionment at themoment and the big folks are
paring back right and theeconomy is in weird shape right,
especially here in the US.
I think shape right here,especially here in the us.

(42:09):
I think this is an opportunityfor someone like you not saying
you should do this, I'm justsaying someone like you to
organize smaller, local, morepersonal, like especially if
you're in southern california,like you got a gajillion people
there you have access to, to say, oh hey, let's do a meetup or
let's do a weekend eventsomewhere, or find someone who
has space where you can get 50people together or whatever.

(42:30):
Right, or that might work withthose kinds of things.
I think we got to get smallagain.

Marty (42:37):
What about just having a total virtual one?
That would be awesome.

Yeah, no, for sure you could organize, you could
get some folks together.
You could have your sitesponsor the thing Put some
things together.
You could, you know, have yoursite sponsor the thing put some
things together, throw it outthere.
I think people are hungry forthose kinds of things and you
know you can make it reasonableand, you know, do some things
around it.
I just think the space is openfor disruption there and I think

(43:02):
we can get small again.
We were small when thingsstarted and then there were all
these startups.
I remember when podcastmovement first came out and it
was such a big deal like, oh,we're all going to get together,
but all those things hadstarted small.

And I think there's a chance to.

I think there's a chance to do that again.

Steve Stewart had video from the first one, the
very first podcast movement, andit was cool because I totally
forgot it was on a weekend.
The whole thing was on aweekend.
It was in a smaller you knowsomething like a Hampton Inn or
you know one of those kind ofvenues, so A it's on the weekend

(43:39):
, so if you work you don't haveto take a vacation day, or maybe
you take Friday.
So there was that.
It was really geared towards,you know, creators, because the
big industry hadn't come in yet.
And now it's like yeah, yeah,we got to have a big hotel,
otherwise, you know, spotifywon't show up and ignore us.
So it's like you know.

(44:00):
But if you like the EmpoweredPodcasting Conference, the
tickets are 230 bucks.
And then, if I book my stay,let's see if I go here.

Marty (44:09):
Is this the one you're talking about next month?

Yeah, I'm trying to see what the room rate is.

Marty (44:14):
Do they have a virtual component as well?

I don't know.
Virtual, this is the otherthing.
When you add cameras and audioand live streaming from a hotel
that has hotel Wi-Fi, it's anightmare.

Marty (44:29):
Yeah, forget it.

Yeah, the rooms are around $200 for the
Hyatt-centric ones.
So I would say you're going tosneeze $1,000 away If it's a
couple days by the time you geta flight, pay for your luggage,
buy your ticket and then have acouple nights at a hotel.
Pay for your luggage, you know,buy your ticket and then have a
couple nights at a hotel.
You're looking at a thousandbucks.

(44:51):
But, like I'm pretty sure I'mgoing to get a sponsor out of,
out of my trip there.
I've met my, you know, I havepeople I might interview, you
know, and it's fun.
That's.
That's the other thing.
There are a lot of fun.
It ruins your voice and you getno sleep and so far I'm not
sick, so that's the one thingI've missed you didn't get the

(45:13):
podcast movement.
Flu.

Flu.
Yeah, listen, at the beginningof the pandemic we had done at
Gallup, we had done events onlyin person for three or four or
five years up to it, and then,when the pandemic hit, we did
100% virtual for three years andthen we brought an in-person
event back and added a virtualticket to it.
And what we learned through theprocess is you know, you got to

(45:40):
keep that virtual ticket, theexpectations for people coming
virtually they're not payingmore than $100 in most cases.
Right, it's just not going tohappen.
So you got to sell a ton ofthose to recoup, dave, like you
were saying, the cost of andthen the expectations are super
high to on the content and theproduction of those virtual
rooms that we were doing to makethat back up.

(46:04):
Then if it's going to be ahundred percent virtual and
you're just going to do it onZoom, the price starts to drop
pretty quick on what people willpay if it's Zoom only Again
it's just expectations of peoplein what they'll pay, you know,
anything over 50 bucks.
And people are like, oh, I don'tknow, you know, it's just a
Zoom call, like I could get this, I could watch a YouTube video.

(46:25):
So there's, on the backside ofthis, there are also, you know,
listener or audienceexpectations on price, and then,
pulling these things together,the dollars and cents of it, you
know, are tough, marty, I think, user group concepts where you,
you know, you create acommunity, so to speak, and then
that community gets together.

(46:46):
That lowers the expectation.
You can probably charge alittle bit, and it's because
it's not going to be as costly.
Yeah, you know, so I thinkthere's some options there.

Somebody told me there was a GitHub meetup, like
all things GitHub meetup, andthey said they did it
differently, where they picked abig venue for the you know
convention center or whateverand then they didn't buy hotels.
It was like BYOH, like you wantan Airbnb?
Now you're going to miss out,kind of, on that community,
because I mean, wednesday nightthe bar was hopping Like just

(47:18):
lots of people had some reallyinteresting, shall we say.
Nothing more fun than having awoman just spew hatred for men
with twigs and berries, like shewas like, and then they have
three men on the stage.
I don't want to learn from aman and I'm like hello, I am

(47:38):
standing right here, but I thinkthat was the bottle of wine
talking.
I thought that was interesting.
Another thing I didn't thinkabout step Stephanie said
politically, a lot of peopledon't mess with Texas.
You know what I mean.
You're like oh, I didn't eventhink about that.
When you start going intostates that are really red or
really blue, which is sad in away, because, like you're inside

(47:59):
a hotel, trust me, we're nottalking politics.
If we're smart, we're nottalking politics.

Marty (48:09):
Yeah, I did go to CS csun , which was a tech conference
for accessibility in march, andit's always in anaheim at like
those disneyland hotels overthere.
There's a whole big group ofthem and, yeah, nobody's talking
politics, everyone's intotalking technology, but it's
insanely huge and expensive.

Though, yeah for sure how much is a ticket for
that?

Marty (48:27):
They start at, I think, $500 or $600.
And then you got to buy roomsand the hotel is super nice, so
the rooms are not cheap, they'rereally expensive.
And of course, one of thenights we went and tried to get
away just to grab something toeat and we went down to the
hotel restaurant and it cost us$90 for two burgers and fries

(48:48):
and a drink like you know,insane.
It was like the most expensiveburger I ever had in my life, I
think yeah, it's crazy.

Hey, regular prices are that way now I took
my wife and daughter out lastnight for wings and we spent 80
bucks, you know.
And you're like, yeah, wings,are you kidding me?

Marty (49:03):
yeah, these things, yeah, there's no more there's no more
99 cent menu at McDonald's orTaco Bell anymore.
That's long gone, those dayshave changed Well.

Marty, thanks for coming back in and thanks for
chatting with us this morning.
Appreciate it.

Marty (49:15):
Yeah, this is great.
Thanks, you guys have a greatone, yeah appreciate you coming
in you bet.

Thank you, we'll see you.
Yeah, randy says, will be heldin New York City for the first
time in September of 2026, whileits podcast movement evolutions
will continue with South bySouthwest, because, you know,
when I think affordability, Ithink Austin, texas at, you know
.

But on the other hand, no, that's it yeah.

So that's where you know and that's you know.
The flip side of that is, yeah,there are a lot of people, lot
of people there.
So you know, those who want togo will go.
But I, you know, for me I'venever been a huge fan of
evolutions because I'm not thetarget audience for that.
Right, you know.
So it's.
Yeah, uncle marv says only thepodest pod tour is going around

(50:05):
the country.
Chris has not considered movingthe actual.
Yeah, he does do a lot of that.
I know they just did VidFest inAtlanta yesterday or Friday and
I couldn't go to that becauseit was still a podcast movement.
But you know what are you goingto do?
Yeah, let's see what else thechat room is saying here.

(50:25):
Dave, don't you do some smallerpodcast shows?
I love smaller podcast shows,yeah.
So when I saw EmpoweredPodcasting I was like, ooh, this
smells, if I get a whiff ofthat, that smells like early
PodFest and the kind of the Idon't know the life of a show is

(50:48):
.
I remember the very firstPodFest Including the vendors.
We're all in one room, it wassingle track, maybe 100 people
and we went.
This was amazing.
And then next year we're likewe've got to make it bigger.
And then the vendors moved outbecause we needed those room for
chairs.
And then it got bigger.
And then it got bigger and itwas like hey, it's getting.
Really, we've got a thousandpeople now we gotta keep the

(51:11):
smallness of it.
And it got bigger and it gotbigger.
And I remember a couple of yearsago when a guy we're at this
really nice hotel for PodFestand the guy's like I'm paying
for a resort fee and I never sawthe resort Because that's the
thing, you know, the only thingthe podcaster is going to use,
unless they brought their family, is the bed.
Like I really don't need afancy room, I need Wi-Fi and a

(51:35):
bed and preferably a hamburger.
That's not going to cost me.
You know me to remortgage myhouse, you know.
Yeah, daniel says I'm happy toreport.
He also did not catch a coldthis year, so you know.
And then Stephanie says she'smore liking the Omaha podcast
movement.

Yeah, but yeah, I'm thinking of starting one now
, not really.
Yeah, no, I might, but I'm notgoing to.

Yeah, it's possible.
Well, daniel brings up a pointIf PM continued to be smaller
that it was like this week, theycould easily fit in a lot of
places.
That's the problem you run into.
Okay, now we've got 4,000people.
I remember it was almost 5,000people.
And there were a couple thingsI remember about that.
One was I saw Glenn at thebeginning as we passed each

(52:21):
other in the hallway and we'relike, hey, I'll have to catch up
later.
We're like, yeah, and I neversaw him again.
It was just there were so manypeople there.
So that's, that is theadvantage of being smaller.
Then you don't need a hotelthat can, you know, seat 5,000
people and that whole.
You just need a little babyholiday in.
You know, and Randy says maybePeyton Manning can get involved

(52:44):
in advertising a podcast event.
Manning can get involved inadvertising a podcast event.

So he can scream.

Omaha, omaha, omaha.
He used to say Tim brings upPodMatch does quarterly virtual
events that are pretty good.
Yeah, that's true, I did get tohang out with Alex a little bit
and Alicia from PodMatch Dothey have events that aren't
centered around alcohol?
That's a rough order,unfortunately, but they should.

Well, I wouldn't say podcast movements ordered or
centered on alcohol, right.
I mean there's the eveningevents, right, where people get
together and do those kinds ofthings.
I don't think they becomecentered around them.

The thing.
It's just a thing that, okay,it's just a thing that okay,
sessions are over, we all goback to our rooms for 20 minutes
to check voicemail and then weall just go to.
It's just a thing.
It's like where's the bar?
Because that's where everybodygoes, not because we're dying to
go get hammered, but it'susually the central location

(53:44):
with lots of chairs you can sitdown.
Dan says virtual conferencescan be very quickly just.
They can become just livestreams or webinar type events,
so that can reduce the perceivedvalue.
Yeah, to me you can't reproducethe hallway very well at a
virtual event.
They try, I'll give them credit, but it's hard to create that

(54:07):
thing.
And and it's that's, to me oneof the best parts of these
things it's it's the hallway andpart of that is they're not
being recorded.
You know, you think about itlike oh, I can talk to you in
the hallway you know, yeah, yeah, yeah, daniel says the I heart
party had free drinks, but itwas a pickleball place.

(54:28):
Yeah, I got a Coke there, cokeand water, cause my voice was
toast.
So, yeah, I got a Coke there,coke and water, because my voice
was toast.
So yeah, they're saying yes,the days of the 25-cent wing is
no longer, and everything that'son the dollar menu is $2.49.

Yeah, I noticed, I got six wings last night 12
bucks.
They're $2 a wing For a wing.
For a wing Now they were prettygood, let's just be clear.
They're some of the best wingsin Omaha.
Where was this at?
This is funny.
It's at a restaurant calledSickies, maybe the worst chosen

(55:05):
name for a restaurant, sickies.
It's like a garage-themedrestaurant, right, race cars and
sports and some of those kindsof things.
But they do make they do.
The food is really good there,but $2 a week.

Yeah, yeah, yeah yeah.
Tim Bryan says the holiday inat MapCon was great and John
chimes in yeah, I love the JoePardo two day weekend conference
in New Jersey and it was great.
The only thing that happenedwith that one is Joe didn't want
to do.
Yeah, I love the Joe Pardotwo-day weekend conference in
New Jersey and it was great.
The only thing that happenedwith that one is Joe didn't want
to do it.
I think the last two years andit showed the last one
especially was like there wereonly like 20 people there.

(55:46):
It was more of a meetup and itjust you know, joe's kids are
older he didn't really promoteit.
Like, if you want to havepeople at your event, you know
you have to promote like six,nine months in advance, if not a
year.
Usually, like they did atPodcast Movement, they're like,
hey, next year is here, and alot of times they'll give you a

(56:07):
big discount.
Because the other thing is, ifyou're running an event, people
are going to buy their tickets.
The last week I don't know whythat is, but there are a couple
people.
Harry Duran was there.
I mean, he bought his ticket.
Like last week, there are a lotof people that weren't going to
go.
And then fear of missing outkicks in and they go yeah, okay,
I'm going.
Yeah, daniel says you'retempting me to host a conference

(56:30):
in Cincinnati.
I better go lie down and letthe feeling Daniel did a
phenomenal.
Number one is Daniel J Lewis.
He doesn't make crap and so,but it almost killed him.
I remember he had like no sleepand he partnered with some
local university.

(56:51):
You know, mr Jive says so.
Pay $1,000 to travel to themiddle of nowhere, or $3,000 to
attend in a major city.
The point is $1,000 is stillabout 800 more than most people
want to spend.
Yeah, we're talking aboutpodcasters.
Most of us don't even want topay a dollar for hosting.
That is true, and that's theproblem.
And maybe you know you need alot of.
Yeah, spreaker had a booth,that's true.
I always forget Spreaker'sowned by High Heart.

(57:15):
So thanks for that, you know.
And then Dollar Tree, accordingto Randy Black, is now charging
$1.75 for things.
Yeah, liars.

It's going to have to be $2.00 tree here.
In a few They'll have to changetheir names.
We're now $2.00 tree.

Yeah, daniel says I'm suddenly feeling serious
about having something inCincinnati.
Yeah, I would go.

Listen, I think you can.
I don't think these don't startthem as a conference.
Like, do a meetup in your area,like go to the local junior
college or, yeah, communitycollege, and say, hey, do you
have a community space that wecan use?
Many of them do right, you havea community space.
I'd love to partner with you.
I'm going to bring 50 people in.

(57:56):
I just made that number up.
Whatever works for you.

Yeah, it's, it's hard.

Yeah, I'm going to bring 50 people in and and just
get together like do a half dayof two topics, a couple
speakers, find some people to dosome stuff, just come in, don't
charge anything.
Maybe charge five bucks, justso you get some incentive to do
it and see what you get.

(58:20):
Right, I see if there's anappetite for some folks to help
See if there's a start, small.
You know, just do a, just do apodcast meetup in your area and
see if it works.
Again, I think this is it's timefor us to get our small game on
again and start thinking aboutwhat does it mean to get local
and what does it mean to startbecause it is expensive to fly

(58:43):
over the country, it isexpensive to do some of these
kinds of things.
You know you can, you know,charge 15 bucks and and get, you
know, get a Chipotle to cater,it's something like that.
So you may I think this is atime.
I got a website in mind.
After the show I'm going topitch an idea to you.
I've got an idea for this.

(59:04):
So after the show I don't wantto say it because I don't want
anybody to buy my domain, but Igot an idea.

And you're going to say it to me Really?
Yeah, but I got an idea andyou're gonna say it to me really
yeah, because if anybody'sgonna buy the domain, I probably
already have it.

Yeah, you well, no , I checked it, it's it's
available, okay yeah, meetupsare not even easy.

I did a meetup in cleveland when I lived in
cleveland and we had about 10 to12 people.
That was cool.
And then I moved it to akron,because I moved to akron and I
could not get the clevelandpeople to drive 40 minutes south
and I promoted it.
But it is something where youget out of it what you put into
it, and I did not have the timeto plan, I was often just

(59:43):
pulling something out of my buttand you get out of it what you
put into it.
That was podcaster, happy hours, and I opened it to everybody.
But in the end, if you don'thave the time to do it right and
that's why I quit doing it butin the end, if you don't have
the time to do it right andthat's why I quit doing it I was
like, well, this sucks, this isnot good.
And I was like I'm putting myname on this and I was like,
because it was cool, becauseRandy would come, but it was.
You know, I had maybe fivepeople and I tried to get

(01:00:06):
companies to come and do demosand I had somebody signed up and
then they kind of bailed at thelast minute.
It was just.
It was just one of those whereI'm like and it's not a bad idea
, you just need somebody who'snot running a website and five
podcasts and you know all thatfun stuff.
I just had too much stuff going.
I'm like if I can't do it right, I'm not going to do it.

Jim Collison (01:00:27):
So I might bring you.
You got to have some bandwidth,like you have to have some extra
bandwidth If you're alreadygoing 100% or 110%.
Don't start meetups.
Don't do things locally, likeif you don't have the time.
These things are a giant timesuck and they get once like the
first one will be fun, it's thesecond one that's the hardest.

(01:00:48):
Like you get through the firstone and you're like man, that
was great, we should do thisagain.
And then you look back andyou're like that was a ton of
work that nobody paid me for.
And you start.
You know you're like I don'tknow if I want to do that again.
And then, of course, you alwayshave been better if we kind of
I couldn't hear the speakers oryou know I had to sit too long.

Dave Jackson (01:01:25):
You know you're like you came for free or
whatever, right?
Yeah, I just I boot thosepeople.
I just remembered we've got aquestion from Ralph and we will
get to that right after we saythank you to our awesome
supporters.
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Come on, dave, I have to wave.
Just pretend I'm waving.
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(01:04:08):
And yeah, ralph threw this up abit ago and I was like, oh,
I'll get to that in a second andit dawned on me I had not
gotten to this.
And this is Ralph from theFinancially Confident Christian
show.
I'm hiring a new admin assistantand I want her to help me with
my shows.
What would you recommend for atraining routine I could share

(01:04:30):
with her to bring up her speedwith best practices?
I, too, am hiring an assistantbecause I still have shows on
Libsyn.
I still have a bunch of justweird little stuff, and it's one
of the first times somebodyspammed me and I was like, hey,
I could actually use your stuff,and so what I'm going to do is
just make a Loom video and gothis is what I want you to do.
Here's step one Click here, youknow, log in via my one password

(01:04:53):
.
You know where you can sharestuff without actually sharing
stuff and then go to this.
I'm going to need you to copythis and then log in over here,
blah, blah, blah and paste.
I would just make a loom videoand then loom, I believe,
transcribes it, so you can takethe transcript, throw that into
chat, gpt and go make this intoa training manual.
I know there are toolsspecifically designed to make

(01:05:17):
like step-by-step trainingvideos that you can then give to
people, but that's how I woulddo it.
Just show them how to do it,then they go.
Now do that 99 more times.
And, jim, any insights on howyou would train an assistant?

Well, that's the, that's I.
I have nightmares about that.
To be honest with you, I haveopportunities at work to have
one and I'm like not good, Idon't want anybody screwing with
my calendar yeah or yeah, it'sa problem, I have a problem with
it.
I.
I could be better at it.
Oftentimes I'll just say, nah,it's easier for me to do it.
I don't want to have to explainit to somebody and have to walk

(01:05:51):
them through it.
Then they won't do it the way Iwant them to do it.
I don't want to have to explainit to somebody and have to walk
them through it, and then theywon't do it the way I want them
to do it.
And you know some of thosekinds of things.
It's a problem.
I would have a.
I would have a hard timeletting someone else do it, you
know.
So good on you.
Good on you, ralph, if you canactually get it done and pass
some of those things off andthen pay for them.

Yeah, you.
Stephanie asked can you do thisin Canva?
Canva does do video.
It's talk about something thatdoes everything, yeah.

Marty (01:06:17):
Like I was just going to say that yeah.

Like their.
Their video is okay, you knowit's it'll it'll work.
You know so that will be.
You know that's something youcould do.
Also, dan had asked doesReSound work with video yet?
Also, dan had asked doesReSound work with video yet?
Not that I know of, it's stillaudio, and I think that's all
the questions from the chat roomwe did have.

(01:06:41):
Let me jump over here.
Somebody had asked thisquestion on Reddit and they said
has anyone used a rentalpodcast studio before?
I have to do more research, butthey're kind of popping up all
over and seem pretty affordable.
I guess affordable is in theeye of the beholder.
So far I've done my episodesremote, but I have some local

(01:07:04):
interviewees coming up.
I thought it'd be cool to useone of these things, I guess in
that case yeah, of course I'malso not making any money at
this point either.
From what I can tell, you get acool studio feel.
Wait, you get a cool studiofeeling setting to record and
film in, and I think some of theoffer audio video editing
equipment and support.

(01:07:24):
Does anyone have any experiencewith these or using one of these
places?
Did you use it just forlocation and bring your own
stuff, or did you get all thebells and whistles, what was
your experience?
How much did it cost, et cetera, et cetera.
Was it worth the content?
And if you're in the East Bayarea, any recommend?
So they're on the West Coastand so I have seen people do

(01:07:44):
this.
I know people that have triedthis in terms of the podcaster
that wants to open up and havekind of a studio and they're
charging anywhere.
Usually they do the editing andso you're looking at anywhere
from $100 to $200 per episodeand that's where most people go.
Oh, or I could just have theperson come over and we could

(01:08:06):
record this on the kitchen tableand then you use something like
Auphonic.
I see them talk about Auphonicin the chat room.
It's a lot of money, you know,for that and the only people
I've seen try to run.
One of those that worked isthey did it in a downtown of a
big city where companies thatdidn't want to set up a room for

(01:08:28):
a studio, they didn't want toinvest in the equipment and they
could just kind of write offsome of the money as the
marketing budget.
They, you know, and I've seenthem do that.
So yeah, and then Rich says,yeah, I got a studio right here
in Walmart.
Yeah, if you're in FranklinTennessee, just go to the
Walmart.
I think theirs were 60 bucks anhour but I don't think they

(01:08:49):
were doing any editing.
So it's an interesting thing.
But I think most people thereyou go, david says Mike
Wilkerson, friend of the show,has a studio in St Louis.
He's been here a number of times.
He's very good.
Yeah, mike has a whole and hehas a whole network of shows
that he runs.
I need to have Mike back on theSchool of Podcasting.

(01:09:11):
It dawned on me when I was atPodcast Movement.
We kind of get stuck on whatnew stuff can I talk about?
And like Rue, who is Rue LouMangiello has so many because of
my podcast stories and he doesWDW Radio.
Like he just got back fromGermany where they launched the
latest Disney cruise.
He got to go into, like youknow where they do all the

(01:09:35):
creation stuff, like the inner,inner, inner circle of Disney.
He got to not only go in butfilm it and I was like that's
amazing.
And so that's something thatdawned on me.
I'm like sometimes if you'restruggling for content and you
had a really good guest, maybehave them come back on the show.

(01:09:56):
I realize Effie Parks does ashow called Once Upon a Gene and
talk about a niche.
It's a niche about parents whohave children with extremely
rare disease, hence Once Upon aGene.
And what's weird is I metsomebody at Podcast Movement and
I went over to her website andshe has a video on the front and

(01:10:18):
she explains how her son wasborn with this rare genetic
disease and I instantly was like, oh, you need to go see my
buddy, effie, and I went overthere and the last time I'd seen
her show she had won like herfirst award.
Well, now she's got multipleawards.
She's on Megaphone and usuallyyou're not on Megaphone unless
you're Dan.
Right, you're running a reallygood show with lots of audience

(01:10:39):
and you want to throw in someads and I was like that's
interesting.
And so if you are strugglingfor content and you do
interviews, jim, you have peopleback all the time right?
Oh regulars.

It's it's yeah, it's, it's money, like I.
I don't know why people don'tdo it more often.
There's this idea oh, I had youas a guest and now I can never
have you again.
And like, if they're good,right, you know, even johnny
carson would invite thecomedians.
You know, if you were good, yougot invited over to the couch
right, right comes, right, comesit with me.
Or was that Letterman?
Maybe it's both.
No, it was.

Johnny, that was the whole thing.
If he gave you the okay and youdidn't get asked over, you were
a pariah, you're done.
But if he was like, come onover to the couch.
And it was weird becausesometimes just coming over to
the couch you go, that wasreally good stuff, really that
stuff, really that was funnystuff, and then they'd go to a
commercial.
But the fact that you wereasked to go to the couch was
kind of the signal that johnnyhas given you, and the next day

(01:11:38):
that's back when there were fourchannels the next day you'd
walk down the street and yourlife had changed.

So yeah, yeah, I have.
I have about 15 reoccurringhosts that come on home gadget
geeks.
It's a, it's a ton easier.
Everybody's you get invitedback.
If you have a good microphone,like you know, it makes it super
easy.
They know, they know theexpectations, they know what,
they know why they're coming andI have a great relationship

(01:12:05):
with them, all you know.
So I, I, I absolutely unclemarv who's in chat, he's one of
them.
Yeah, he comes on, you know, acouple times a year and it's
great, I mean, and they're goodfriends.
So why wouldn't you, I, ifyou're, if you're stuck in that
rut of like, oh, I can only havea guest on once, stop it.
Yeah, have if they're good,have them back often.
Yeah, why?

wouldn't you?
Yeah, I think glenn's been backon the school of podcasting
like five times, I think.
Yeah, and he's, he's got athing now he doesn't even really
have to ask.
He'll just like, hey, I got athing and I'm like, okay, here's
the scheduling.
I don't even ask him.
I'm like, cause he knows who myaudience is, he knows what I'm
trying to do, you know.
And so if you're going to giveme a strategy to help grow my

(01:12:50):
show or you have some sort ofbecause of my podcast story that
will bring on or your gear orwhatever, I'm like there are
certain things I talk about.
And then, yeah, dan says I lovehaving guests back on and Jive
says reoccurring guests arebetter than, yeah, you don't
have to.
You know, get like.
Ralph was talking about rampingup a new person.
Well, if it's a guest that'salready been on the show, they

(01:13:13):
already know what to expect, whothe audience is, that whole
nine yards.
So keep that in mind.
I saw this question talkingabout podcasting frequency.
They said I've been baffled,baffled, wow, I can't read or
talk today.
I've waffled between postingbi-weekly to posting monthly.

(01:13:35):
My episodes are much betterwhen I post monthly because I
have more time forpost-production.
I'd love to know what they dothere.
They say, but I fear notposting as frequent is one of
the reasons I don't have as manylisteners.
I've tried doing many episodesto bridge the gap.
Have you had any success on amonthly basis?
Monthly would be.
The more you post good content,the quicker you're going to to

(01:14:01):
grow.
Monthly is tough.
I listened to a few shows thatare biweekly but I'm pretty sure
monthly they have forgottenabout you.
Like I listened to the feed,I'm trying to think of some
other ones that are biweeklyabout you.
Like I listened to the feed,I'm trying to think of some
other ones that are biweekly buton the other hand.
So I would love to know whatare you doing that makes the
post-production?
You know cause that's two weeks.

(01:14:23):
But if you've got a really busylife, I always say you know, do
your episode and then you knowif it took you 20 hours.
Okay, do you have 20 hours aweek?
No, do you have 20 hours everytwo weeks?
No, well, then guess whatYou're doing monthly or you're
going to make the show shorter.
One of the two, but I wouldrather get a really good show on
time than a show that was everyother week.

(01:14:49):
Look at Dan Carlin.
Dan Carlin does like four showsa year, more or less.
They're four hours long and hereleases them when they're done.
Now he is the, you know so.

But they're good.
But they're really good.
If they were garbage, no, hewouldn't, he would have stopped
already.
Right, right, they're good,people love them.
He can.
You can listen no-transcripthit play and I listen to it.

(01:15:40):
Right, it's so it.
If listen, if you, if you'reweekly and you go monthly and
you lose your half yoursubscribers, you should check
your your content.
Like that's, that's a reallygood indicator, like, okay, I've
got some improving to do, right, so if you're good, I don't

(01:16:01):
think, I don't think it'sdetrimental if you're, if you're
and when I say good, I meanyou're meeting your audience
expectation.
That's why they listen.
They're coming to you becausethey enjoy you.
Good doesn't mean tens ofthousands.
It can be that way, you know.
It means you have a reallyengaged audience and they'll

(01:16:22):
wait for you.

Well, ray, at the beginning of the show, ray
Arnott from Around the Layoutdoes a show about model trains.
His audience is insanelyengaged, like nobody.
Like you know, it's crazy.
Dan says I'm not sure I couldtell you the schedule for any of
the podcasts I listened to.
There's a new episode in mypodcast app.
Oh, I guess I'll listen to it.
Yeah, that's me.
There's only one I listened toand I expected to be there on

(01:16:47):
Friday and that's podcasting 2.0.
Cause I go to Walmart and dogrocery shopping and I listen to
podcasting 2.0.
So when there's not a newepisode, I'm like, oh, what Joe
or Stephanie says weekly isreally hard.
I would love tips to make thateasier.

Always.

Yeah, shorter, and always be looking for content,
jody says.
I split my hour long interviewinto two 30 minute episodes.

Marty (01:17:12):
Yeah, jody Krangel's show , yeah, yeah.

And so for me, I'm always looking for content.
Like if I'm watching a TV show,when it's over I'm like
anything there for a podcast ornope.
But if I watch something, orlike Taylor Swift we talked
about it last week I'm like, oh,that's a great example of how
to use a short.
All right, that goes in my note, joy, you know that's, I'm
always any.

(01:17:36):
When I'm at podcast movementI'm like, oh, okay, that's.
You know, sometimes podcastingis therapy.
There's a woman I met that'shad a horrendous life.
Just anything that can happenbad to women has happened to her
and she was able to pullherself around and she now wants
to talk about her story and Iwas like you should do that,

(01:17:57):
just for the therapeutic aspectof getting it out there.
You know so but yeah, so I forme, I have no joy and I have
done it enough to where I neverdo.
If I have a thing in my headthat says you should write that
down, I do not argue.
I write it down because thewhole like oh, I remember this

(01:18:17):
later, this is a great idea.
How could you forget this greatidea?
Until later You're like wait,was it?
And then it dawns on you thatyou forgot the great idea.
So always write it down, and itdoesn't have to be note joy, it
could be Apple notes, could bepad and pencil, whatever you're
doing.
But for me there are times whenI'm like, ooh, what am I going
to talk about?
I'll give you an example.
This morning I was makingbreakfast and I thought, ooh,

(01:18:40):
that might be a potential I'mremembering.
Now I was overwhelmed, but Ididn't write it down and I
almost forgot it, because a lotof people at Podcast Movement
and really this is any event,when you learn for three days

(01:19:00):
straight, your brain's going tobe like okay, I guess enough.
And I thought I might.
The next episode of the Schoolof Podcasting might be called
Now what?
And just like okay, I've gotall the like.
Okay, now what?
Like, well, okay, pick onething and do it.
Don't try to do all 15 at onetime, you know.
Pick the next thing.
What's the next thing you'regoing to do to improve your show
?
Okay, do that.
Test it for a few weeks and seeif it moves a needle and go
from there.
Let's see.

(01:19:21):
If you got questions.
Now's the time, because we gotabout eight minutes left.
Oh, I wanted to share this.
I think I talked about thislast week, but if not, it's
worth repeating.
I did a presentation ondifferent ways to make money and
this one gets overlooked.
Did we talk about Marc Maronlast week?

We did, yes, we did.

Yeah, it was selling your back catalog.
If you're using Buzzsprout orCaptivate, they make this really
easy where you can just go intoyour episodes and say this is
now premium, and Mark Maron wasmaking $215,000 a month with his
back catalog Now, normally, andhis stuff is fairly evergreen,

(01:20:02):
so you can do that.
So what was that?
Tully is T-U-U-L-I-Ecom, Ibelieve, and that is AI tools a
la carte versus it's the.
It's the direct opposite ofwhat we're talking about, where
everybody else is like for onelow price you get everything and

(01:20:22):
it's mediocre.
Then you have Tuli, where it'slike oh, what do you need?
Oh, you just need, you know AIimage generation.
Here you go for whatever it is.
I'm going to guess $7 a monthor whatever it is.
Also another way.
John Jemango says Twitterbookmarks are a great way to
book things.
If you're using Captivate andyou see a website or something,

(01:20:45):
you can add an extension inCaptivate and say remember this
link and you can add notes aboutit.
Captivate and say remember thislink and you can add notes
about it, and then when you doyour episode, you're like oh,
add this link, that link, thislink and this link to that
episode and that's a fun timesaver and organizer as well.

(01:21:05):
David says if you start monthly, maybe down the road you'll be
able to slowly move it to threeweeks or less as you go.
But being consistent is reallywhat stands out, yeah.

Yeah, there may not be enough content for weekly
.
Yeah, In some cases for somepeople you know you're like do I
have?
Is there really enough changing?
Sometimes this happens inspaces where you have it gets
real popular really fast or it'sjust real popular for a while
and then it kind of you knowlike, like wow, podcasting is

(01:21:37):
kind of this way for us.
Like we, we have to be verycreative about the topics we're
talking about, because there'sjust not a lot of things or
changes going on in the podcastspace, yeah, and so you know we
have to get.
We kind of have to get supercreative and dig in other areas
to make sure we have content forthe show.
So you might be in a space thatwas real popular for a while,

(01:21:58):
but now there's just like, ifyou're making up stuff to talk
about, maybe every other week.

Yeah, well, and speaking of other topics, and
now, oh, he's been waiting forthis.
It's time for Jim to get hisnerd on waiting for this, it's
time for jim to get his nerd on.

Jim, you've been.
You've been playing with newtoys.
I'm always encouraged by thekids that say, yay, yeah, that
just makes me happy just to hearthose kids go, yay, yeah, just
maybe as we wrap it up today, alittle little, some tech
gadgetry that's going on.
I I've been working on seeingif I can replace all the power
that I use in the studio.
About 500 Watts is what Iconstantly kind of run at.

(01:22:42):
Now it's just not, that's notjust podcasting.
I have some cryptocurrencystuff going and about 500 Watts,
and so I I worked on buyingsome solar panels, one I wanted
to teach myself like what's thisworld of solar?
I hear about this all the time.
You know solar, the credits forsolar power are going to end
here at the end of the year, atleast for now, and you're like,

(01:23:04):
ok, what's this all about?
So, rather than just talkingabout it, I wanted to actually
do it.
So I bought a couple of solarpanels and then I plugged them
into.
I have a BlueEddy AC180 that Iuse as the UPS.
That's the power supply that'sin case the power goes down.
I use that as my UPS device andit's worked great.
But when I brought the solar in, it didn't work great with the

(01:23:24):
solar because it wouldn't charge.
It didn't have solar prioritybuilt into the MPPT controller,
so it was either grid or solar.
And then it's Bluetooth only,so I can only use it on my phone
and I wanted it to work withHome Assistant and it wouldn't
work that way.
So I recently purchased anEcoFlow they're also a big

(01:23:45):
player in that space an EcoFlowDelta 3, 1024 watt hour battery.
Again, I'm going to use it as aUPS device, has the same
functionality of it, but it doeshave they're saying, I got a
test that I just got ityesterday, so it just came in,
ordered.
It came in yesterday, so I'llbe working on it this weekend,
but it does say it has solarpriority.

(01:24:06):
Well, I'm going to, I'm goingto give it a test.
I'm going to give it a try.
We're going to see if I canbring the solar power in and use
the solar power live to powerthe devices as well as it being
kind of attached to the grid.
These devices listen, if you arein the space of thinking about
backing up your equipment, thisarea and just because it's a

(01:24:27):
solar generator sometimes theycall them doesn't mean you have
to use solar.
I think for most people, for acouple hundred bucks, probably
300 bucks, they're a little moreexpensive than a lead acid
battery ups, but those thingsare junk now.
So don't buy those things.
Don't buy apc, don't buy thosethings.
They're kind of junk.
The the new, the new era, and Ithink we're also in an era where

(01:24:51):
this, all this solar stuffbecause the credits are ending,
less people are going to buythem, which means there'll be a
lot of stock.
And what happens when there's alot of stock and not a lot of
demand?
That's right.
Prices go down.
So you may want to keep youreye.
I wouldn't say go out and buyit today, but you might want to
keep your eye.
Eco flow is a great one.
I've liked the blue eddy some alittle bit of limitations.

(01:25:12):
That Jackery is another onethat's in that space.
I don't review them on my showlike formal reviews, because
there's plenty of reviews onYouTube for those things.
So I just let the guys that aregood at it do it.
But maybe your studio needs agood backup solution.
So if the power goes down, Ijust had another limb fall off

(01:25:33):
of my tree last night and it'sstill laying on the power thing
right now.
Now I own a generator, so thatguaranteed that power line is
never going to go down.
So it's.
It's holding fast because Ihave a battery right and I have
a generator.
That's why it's still.
Any other human it would haveripped that power right out of
the wall and we'd be powerlessat the moment.

(01:25:54):
But if you're thinking aboutdoing that, I think now is the
time.
You know, look at a fewbatteries, put a few in your
Amazon or Walmart or whatever.
You use the app that you use totrack things and you might see
some really good pricing betweennow and the end of the year or
first part of the year, thoseincentives here in the United
States and at the end of thisyear we may have a glut in the

(01:26:19):
space and the pricing may begood.
I don't do reviews, but if youwant to talk about it, you can
always email me, jim attheaverageguytv, and I'd love to
talk to you about it.
I'm doing less reviews and moreone-on-one stuff, so if you
want to talk about the chat,shoot me an email.

Yeah, I was getting worried.
Dan says a Blue Eddie to powerthe Blue Yeti.
Yeah, there you go.

I like it Way too much I don't have a Blue Yeti
anymore.
Say that 10 times fast.
Exactly the Blue Eddie.
Yeah, those can get Blue Eddie,and he spelled those correctly.
The Blue Eddie one is hard toput.

Yes, for sure, nice.
Well, what's coming up on HomeGadget Geeks?

Yeah, we're kind of back at it and you know, as
I'm looking at this, jay Franzijoins me from jayfranzicom.
Jay just wrote a book whichJay's been on the show here.
We've talked to him before.
Yeah, jay just wrote a bookwhich Jay's been on the show
here.
We've talked to him before,yeah, but he wrote a book about
doing production in Nashville.

(01:27:21):
He's a Nashville guy, soanyways, he comes on.
He's looking to upgrade to aMac.
So we talked about that, anupgrade, more detailed upgrade,
on my solar stuff.
If you want more information onthat, posted right now.
Home gadget geekscom.

And, yeah, on the school of podcasting, as, as I
was sitting here, I'm like, ohyeah, that was the idea.
So I'm going to do a show.
Um, like what to do when youget home from an event.
I spent a lot of day yesterday,uh, following up with all the
people that I wanted to followup with, because you think you
are and then you know you gotthe big stack of business guys,
like just one thing at a time.
Um, uh, mr jive says jay franzyis a lovely dude.

(01:28:03):
There you go.

He is a lovely guy .
He's a great friend another oneI have on the show very often,
yeah, and dan says anotherfantastic show.

Guys, Thanks, yeah , I thought of Dan.
Last night I watched a show onNetflix.
It was like Mr So-and-so's war.
It was a congressman that endedup funding a war Charlie
Wilson's war and it started offwith based on a true story.
And instantly I was like it's aDan thing, so he owns that

(01:28:33):
phrase now he does In our mindsanyways, he owns it in our mind.

That's the power of advertising, right and so.

Yeah, next week I'll be back from the Content
Creator Expo, so we'll be herenext Saturday.
Askthepodcastcoachcom slashlive.
We'll see you.

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