No Engagement? Maybe You Should Check Your Website

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Dave Jackson (00:00):
Ask the Podcast Coach for November 1st, 2025.
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(00:21):
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Jim, how's it going, buddy?

Jim Collison (00:27):
Greetings, Dave.
Happy Saturday morning to you.
Happy All Saints Day.
A reaction for the church forHalloween.
So we're glad you made it onYeah, there you go.
I'm glad you made it on theother side of Halloween.
Welcome back.

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You know what I mean?
You can't leave steaming pilesof dog poo on somebody's, you
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No, no, you're gonna be like, hey Johnny, we we
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Um although I don't think itmatters on a night like that.
Are you really gonna be able tofind, you know, teenage mutant
ninja turtle who left a turd onyour porch?
Not gonna happen.

Yeah, but this it is getting, I don't know about
you.
I woke up and said it was 36degrees outside, and I was like,
oh, it is November.

Yeah, we listen, it's this is uh really one of
those years we went from summer.
I mean, it was still like 80 aweek ago here.
And then 30.
Yeah, okay.
Welcome to winter.

The last Sunday it said it was 30, I think, five
out when I got up and I had toscrape my car to go to church.
And was like, somebody's lying,because if it's 35, it
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We don't say the other things anymore.
It's the dew point.

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Yeah, since it's November, that means it's the
first day of Napod Pomo, which Iforget what it stands for.
Yeah, you do a Novemberchallenge, which usually means I
don't I'm already way ahead ofthe game.
This is where I usually stopcutting my hair so by January
I'll look like Jerry Garcia.
But if you're doing theNovember challenge with a

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podcast, all I say is about the10th, when you're a little
crispy, you know, it's okay tostop.
I've seen people that just burnthemselves ragged because I I
mean, on one hand, I love itbecause it just gets you to
create, you're right.
Get your reps in, go to town.
So I love that part of it.

(04:26):
But when it just burns peopleout to where they're like, oh, I
can't do that.
I'm like, well, realize you'renot going to be podcasting every
day.
Maybe do one a week or two aweek or whatever, but not every
day.
And yeah, the content creator'saccountant.
Yeah, it's true.
Ralph is doing that.
He's been podcasting daily foryears, which I still think is
madness, I tell you, madness.

(04:47):
But if you got it in you, Imean, if you'll yeah, exactly.
If you like doing it, do it.
If not, I just to me it soundslike a great way just to burn
your soul.
I did it one one year I did it,and it was like, Yeah, I don't
think I'm ever gonna do thatagain.
And I was doing things like mytop ten albums of all time, and

(05:09):
I was just finding anything toto talk about.
But in the end, I was like, ifI was brand new to podcasting,
if I didn't realize I'm justgetting my reps in, I I really
could see where in a way thatcould be you know a spooky way
to just burn people out.

But so just just know that going in.
Yeah, it depends how you makethem, how much you know, depends
the you know, my postingprocess is fairly complicated,
right?
It all the different places Isend it to, and the different
pieces that I do.
I've actually with AI, the theactual show note uh part that
used to be a burden, like Ihated writing show notes, is now

(05:48):
actually really enjoyable,right?
As the AI is helping me dothose things that I'm not very
good at, and I've gotten it downto kind of my science, so to
speak, where I do the prompts incertain order, I give it
information in certain order.
That has actually made the thefor me, the posting process a
little bit more enjoyable.
So, you know, where or used tobe a chore, and I would have

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Dave, I if I would have tried todo home gadget geeks style
daily, that well, the interviewsby themselves would probably
burn me out.
There's just a lot to it.
But but you know, hey, youthere there can be ways to make
things easier for you.

Yeah, Randy Black says I tried daily and made it
about 15 days before I, youknow, threw in the towel.
Uh speaking of Randy Black, noshow next week.
I will be at Pod Indy shakinghands with the one and only
Randy Black, along with uh CraigVan Slyck from AI Goes to
College.
He's gonna be doing a half-dayseminar, doing a deep dive into

(06:46):
AI stuff.
So I'm looking forward to it.
For more information, go topodindi.com.
Dave says it could be a goodway to get some people started.
Yeah, that's the thing whereI've done this many times where
I use an app called Chronometer,and I'll start off and just be
great, and I'm tracking all myfood, and then somewhere around

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Thursday the the wheels falloff, and for some reason every
Sunday I'm like, all right, backon the thing.
So sometimes just a new monthwill be the thing to get you
going.
Realize though, if you'rethinking of starting a podcast
in 2026, if you start now doingthe planning, doing the
research, like you know, I maybethat's what a lot of people are

(07:28):
doing now.
This whole daily thing isthey're trying to get their reps
in.
So when January hits, they'reready to do it for reels and you
know, go to town.
So instead of waiting likeeverybody else till January, and
then they do their reps, andthen they're ready to launch in
whatever March or something likethat.
So yeah, uh Rich says, I did uhVlogmas in 2020.

(07:52):
Made it 22 days daily sportshistory.
I went from seven to five daysa week, have a kid with a heart
condition.
Well, that'll change yourschedule real quick.
Yeah, yeah.
And then Ralph said, I lovedoing daily so much.
I added another show and thenanother and then another, but
only one daily.
Yeah, that's that's that's mybiggest regret, having so many

(08:14):
shows that I was like, I I thinkif I had to do it again, I'd do
one show and just make itamazing, as opposed to, yeah, I
got three shows that are notbad, you know.
So that whole nine yards.

But speaking of starting the different hold on
real quick, it was a little bitof a different day, you know,
five years ago, even five, six,seven years ago when podcasting
was still fairly edgy.
And like I think the edge isoff of it.
Like there's there hasn'treally been any new technologies

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around it for a while.
I mean, whole podcasting 2.0tried to do that and had some
success getting some new things,but there isn't really anything
new.
And then we've seen the adventof the mega podcaster, right?
Joe Rogan started with serialand then some other ones.
Rogan's kind of come on.
I think you know, we're seeingthis with the Kelsey brothers
with new heights.

(09:08):
And it's kind of I I don't, Ijust don't feel like it's as
edgy as it used to be.
Like, I think the even for thepeople listening, and I like
Dave, in those early days, Ifelt like we were breaking
ground.
Yeah.
We were like, yeah, we're out,we're rebels out here, we're
gonna, you know, take stick itto the radio man, and then we
got you know, we we're we canreach people you can't, and I I

(09:32):
don't I don't feel that wayanymore.
I feel like, yeah, it's kind ofmainstream and it's okay.
I mean, I'm not trying to saywe shouldn't be doing it.
Don't hear me say that.
This uh this is not apodcasting's over, you know, the
everything's falling down.
It's just like it's just not asit used to be.
I'm a rebel.
Like I but here's the thing.

Where's the where's the rebellious in this?
Because we'll we'll get uhJeff, I pinned your question by
the way.
We're gonna circle back tothat.
But this guy says, are realitypodcasts a thing?
Uh a couple of my friends ofmine, a couple of friends of
mine and I get together a coupletimes a week and we sit around
in BS while we watch football,baseball, or whatever.

(10:12):
Other friends started stoppingby and they said we should start
a podcast and just record theBS conversations, which cover
life topics in general or thingshappening in our lives
personally.
So we said F it and we startedone in January.
Our expectations are zero andour metrics are okay, but we
have a blast doing it.
That's the key.
And everyone that comes overwants to record with us.

(10:33):
Are there any other podcaststhat are similar or do most have
structure?
Or our show is a train wreck,but that is kind of what we
already know.
Of course, we knew nothing whenwe started, and we have 20
episodes now.
Wait, they've been podcastingsince January.
They do a couple a week, sothey're not being consistent
then.
They should have let's see,this is uh Yeah.

(10:55):
Yeah, it sounds like they'redoing every other week, maybe.
But anyway, I would love toknow if people actually want to
hear about other people'srealities or if not.
I understand listeners willflock to a good podcast, and I
know ours is far from the from aprofessional uh cast.
However, there is somethingentertaining in terms of value
to it, but interested ineveryone's thoughts.

(11:17):
I know if we start on aparticular niche, it could be
easier, but we are content withwhat we're doing now.
Thanks in advance for this.
So there are two things that Ilike about this.
One, we're having fun too doingit, and two, we are content
with what we're doing.
Well then keep doing it.
Like, but I mean, it it's oneof those words like, hey, I'm
gonna call my friend that I'veknown for 50 years, and I'm

(11:40):
gonna recon record the phonecall.
Should that be a podcast?
Eh.
You know, we're gonna talkabout guitars, we're gonna talk
about hot chicks in high school.
Yeah, but it's like uh notevery conversation needs to be
made public.
So I just answered them.
I said, look, if you're makingme laugh, cry, think, grown,
educate, or entertain, if you'remaking saving me time or money,

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I'll listen to that.
But if you're not, not.
And my guess is I I would loveto know what the name of the
show is and go look at it.
It's probably two hours long.
They're doing it Rogan style,that they love to say.
I don't know, but I just to me,you know, do people actually
listen to this?
If it's good, yeah, I'll listento that.

But if it's not interesting, I mean, that's what
the Kelsey brothers are doing.
Right.
I mean, they're just gettingtogether and just talking about
football, right?
That's their thing.
And I listen, I've listened tothat podcast a couple times.
It's not that good.

No, it's not I I could I made it through maybe
the first five minutes becauseit was all ads.
The beginning of it, I waslike, and they're like, Oh, you
can get our new coat, you can dothis.
And I was like, You guys gonnaever talk, you know, because I
like I like both of them.
They seem funny and kind ofkoof, but it was like, when are
we gonna get to the show, guys?
Come on.

No, and they and Jason's you know was dropping
the F-bomb like every thirdword.
Like, I'm okay with that, butnot that much, right?
So you're like, you know, butthat's what they're doing.
I mean, they just they'rebrothers who got together.
Let's just talk about thingsthat are going on in our life.
Now they hit a sweet spot whereyou know, listen, if Travis
would not have found Taylor, wenobody in this audience would

(13:19):
know who Travis Kelsey is.
Just let's just be really clearabout that, right?
So, I mean, I know I follow theKansas City Chiefs, but nobody
here would have known, and maybea few of you, but so they they
hit they hit that lucky, youknow, like all the the universe
kind of came together.
But I don't uh you know,listen, if it brings you joy to

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sit around and do those things,do it.
Do it, exactly.
We just don't think everybodywants to listen to you guys just
be yesing.

Yeah, Chris says having fun is a fine reason to
do a podcast, but not everythingis not everything we think is
interesting is actuallyinteresting, right?
Unless you're a big celebrity,you you can't get away with just
chit-chatting about nothing.
It's gotta be, you know, I meanas much as Seinfeld is the show
about nothing, it's really it'sthat's the topic, nothing.

And but I mean it was still weird and interesting
and funny, and but even that isnot work television, it had
Larry David, yeah, it was JerrySeinfeld.
Like by that point, they hadall become names, right?
It it and they went through thefirst couple seasons weren't
very good.

No, it almost went off the air.
Yeah, it took a while for theiraudience to to find them, which
brings up this question, whichthere are two here that I'm just
like, no, no, what?
This one, I've it uh fear ofstarting is killing me.
Says I feel like I haveimportant things to share, but
fear of starting a podcast or ablog, or a blog?

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You're afraid of a blog?
Okay, and sometimes lack ofinspiration, well, that's that's
important, are holding me fromstarting.
How did you start?
And so for me, I always saywhen the fear of looking stupid
or dumb or whatever has got youworried, when that is less than

(15:07):
the need to serve your audience,you will start.
But if your fear is way morethan the I gotta talk about
this, you're just not gonna doit.
And I think that's what thisperson is is doing.
So, but when you first startoff, you don't have an audience.
Like we all start with zero.
And so, you know, you've got togo out there and promote it to

(15:29):
get your first five people andthen hope that two of those tell
somebody else, and then two ofthose tell somebody else, like,
etc.
I don't know.
Did I don't remember the onlyreason I was remotely worried
when I started was I didn't knowhow to make a podcast.
Like there wasn't I gottafigure it out.

(15:52):
And once I finally did, and Iuploaded it and saw it come
down, I was like, okay, I gotthe technology down, now we just
gotta talk.
And that I don't know, maybebecause of my background in in
teaching and being able to talkon stage, being a musician, I
don't know.
I I that never although my veryfirst performance in sixth

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grade, I sang in the choir, andthe minute the last note was
over, I ran to the side of thestage and threw up.
Oh yeah.

Yeah, yeah.
But by the time you startedpodcasts, Daves, you were a
performer already.
You'd been on stage, you playedmusic, you'd been accepted in
that form, right?
You you you knew you had someconfidence, you had taught, and
so you knew how to stand infront of a classroom of people
and do that.
Not a lot of people get thatget that public experience of

(16:47):
being up in front of people andthe jitters and the fear of
failure, and all those thingsare super real, right?
You know, I I hate to say it,but sometimes you just gotta do
it.
You gotta practice on a fewthings, you gotta get some
confidence, you gotta do somescary stuff and and push push
past that fear a little bit.
Listen, I still get nervous.
I get nervous before we starton Saturday mornings.

(17:09):
Oh, yeah.
So nerves are not an indicationof fear.
They're they're well, they are.
Actually, they are, but yougotta kind of push through those
and say, you know, I'm gonna beokay.
I'm gonna be me.
I'm gonna be okay.
This is gonna be fine.
Nobody's gonna die.
This is gonna be great, or itwon't be.
It could be a disaster, but I'mgonna learn from it, you know.

(17:30):
And so you, you know, I I Ithink at some point, if you're
gonna do it, you've got to.
I I would say if you if you'rejust that afraid, you're gonna
have to trick yourself into thisthing.
You're gonna have to come upwith something to get you in a
spot to gain some confidence.
You know, maybe don't do video,do audio only, don't use your

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real name.
Do some, you know, we say thisall the time.
Do some practice ones.
Do 10 of these that aren'tgonna go anywhere.
Anywhere.
Get some reps, right?
Get some reps.

Yeah.
Mark says you really need tofigure out what you want to talk
about, what's the topic.
If you're struggling with that,then don't start until you do.
Yeah, I always anytime I havesomebody say, I want to start a
podcast, I'm just not sure whatto talk about, I go, You're not
ready to podcast.
I'm like, just not that youshouldn't.
I'm just saying not now is notthe time.
Yeah, Chrissy from uh CreatingGreat Grooming Dogs, College

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Radio and Spinning Vinylprepared me for podcasting.
Yeah.
And then Jeff C, if you gothrough life avoiding all fear,
you'll lose all life'sopportunities.
Yeah, that's um, I mean, everytime I hit go live on this
thing, even though this morningI updated Ecamm and then I had
to restart.
And then first of all, I've nowrealized that instead of

(18:45):
rebooting my whole computer,which I did anyway, but I've
found out that I can thatusually what I need to do is
then restart the El Gatosomething central, blah, blah,
blah, that ties it to the StreamDeck and everything worked.
Like, but I've had weeks whereeverything has worked, and then
we'll start the show and nothingworks.
And, you know, it doesn't killyou.

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So it's uh I always say the theworst thing that could happen
is, you know, well, two thingsare gonna happen.
Either A, you have a successfulpodcast, or you have a great
story about that time when youstarted a podcast.
I mean, it's you know, there'vethere was a time I started a
show called New to Cooking, andI'd have to go look, but I think

(19:27):
it has six episodes because itdawned on me, because I was kind
of getting into cooking, kinda.
And after about six episodes,it dawned on me, oh, you know
why I don't cook?
I don't like it.
And so I was just like, yeah,and so consequently, the passion
I didn't have that passion oflike, oh, I got it, you know, it

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it started off cool and Ibought a bunch of stuff from my
kitchen, but you know, in theend, uh 90% of my cooking is,
you know, chicken breasts on agrill, which then get nuked the
rest of the week.
You know what I mean?
It's like, okay, how did youcook your lunch today?
I threw it in the microwave fortwo minutes.
You know, that's welcome to theshow called Two Minutes in the
Microwave.

(20:09):
Well, you know, make anythingyou want.
So it's uh it's not the end ifyou try something.
Yeah, uh most uh fear or publicperformance anxiety, fear comes
a lack of preparation and orcontent.
Yeah, that's it.
That's I mean, I spend likeprobably an hour this morning
going through Reddit and gettingquestions and things like that.
So I'm ready here to to dowhatever we need to do, but it's

(20:34):
it's it's not gonna kill you.
And like Jeff said, if you pushthrough, it's no big deal.
But we had another one, anotherquestion that I saw that was
like, hmm, and that's this one.
What do posts on social mediawhat do you post on social media
and how do you engage otherthan posting about releases?
And it says, as we all know,social media is a key part of

(20:56):
podcasting.
Is it though?
And probably the number onetool to market your podcast.
Is it really from what I see,there's posting and there's
engaging?
It's best to stay active, buthow do your channels do that?
And so to me, I summarize thisas what do I say on social?
And so when I see that, I kindof scratch my head because I'm

(21:20):
like, well, if you saw your likelet's pretend you're in a
building and uh oh cool, but Idon't see you, Randy.
Randy says he's in the greenroom and I have my zoom up and I
got nothing, let me give youI'll put this in the chat room,
Randy.
That's the link to eCamm.

(21:41):
We'll we'll try that one.
But to me, if if somebody wasin the hallway and you saw them
coming down, wouldn't you belike, hey, you know, Jim, how
was your weekend?
What's going on?
Uh you know, be social onsocial media.
That would be, you know, interms of so he he had me where

(22:02):
he's like, well, don't just say,guess what?
Episode 16 is out.
Instead, just say, Wow, I just,you know, just be social.
And that's where I wondersometimes if you know, that
whole being social thing is justsomething that people don't
understand what that means.
I don't know.
What do you think, Jim?

I mean, certainly it's a it's a platform for
influence, right?
Depending on how you're doingit and what you're doing and
your creativity.
You know, we we at Gallup, wespend a lot of time thinking
about what we post on our socialmedia channels and the way we
present ourselves and thegraphics that that we put out
there and the excellence thatgoes into those.
So, you know, I think there's alot of I mean, social can be

(22:48):
just social, it can also be alot of influence.
And it's it can be an area forcreativity.
And you know, if you can createstuff that uh that other people
respond to in a way that'spositive for your brand, it can
be very good.
I I don't think, you know, ifyou're gonna just be social on
social, then just know thatyou're it's it's probably not

(23:11):
gonna, you know, you're notgonna be out there influencing
tens or hundreds or thousands.
But you can go about itintentionally and you can you
can have accounts like that.
I mean, it can be a biginfluencer space to go out and
influence people.
I mean, the people have wholecareers on YouTube and TikTok

(23:31):
and like I mean, they're makingcareer money on some of these
things, so it can't happen.
Yeah, it can't the crazy thing,Dave.
I watched this guy on YouTube,should not be popular.
Should not.
He shouldn't be popular.
He he he is it's he rambles, hedoes some interesting things,
he's not I mean, he's he's notparticularly well dressed or

(23:53):
good looking.
He doesn't give doesn't givefashion advice, like he's not,
he just he's he's he's justdoing things, right?
But there's something about himthat keeps me coming back.
And you know, he just ran overhis chainsaw with his with his
you know backhoe.
And I was and so he's talkingabout how he broke his chainsaw
and he showed it and you know,and it's like it was interesting

(24:15):
to me.
Like it's his life.
It's like a he's like become afriend.
And I don't, you know, when Iget on here on Saturday mornings
with you, I don't say, DaveJackson, you better be exciting
today or I'm out of here.
Right?
I don't say that because I'mhanging, we have a relationship.
I think our chat room does too.
So, but can it be?
Absolutely.
Like if you're you know, if youthat's one of those channels

(24:37):
that if you're missing, you'reyou're missing opportunities.

Yeah, Chris Nessie says, comment on other people's
posts, yep, and interact withthe people who would be
interested in your content.
Yep, that makes sense.
And he said, and if you sayenough good stuff on your social
media, people will click onyour profile and make sure you
have something on your I thatalways drives me nuts when
people say stuff in Facebook.
I click on their profile andthen I can't, there's nothing on

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their Facebook profile abouttheir podcast.
I'm like, okay, that was anopportunity wasted.
So Mr.
Clinton here is saying, layinghere in the hospital, that's no
fun, after having bladderremoval surgery due to cancer,
as I'm watching your show live,she said, You surely enjoy
watching podcasts.
I had to laugh.
Well, you know, there's nothingelse to do.

(25:22):
So I'm glad to see that we arewe are better than nothing
there, Jim Collison.
No, no, no, no.

Listen, the fact that that he's in the hospital
watching this, thank you fordoing that.
I listen, we we hope you're ona road to recovery.
Recovery, yeah.
You're you're that's uh that'scertainly a big deal.
And and you know what, Dave,this is an opportunity like here
we can interact real to in realtime with a person somewhere in

(25:49):
the world doing something Imean significant in their life
and say, get well.
You can't nobody can no otherme other forms of media can't do
that.
This is one of those thinkabout relationship building,
this is one of those things.
So so heal well, heal well, myfriend, and and sorry for your
sorry for your ailments, but butheal well.

Well, and speaking of interacting with people, if
the buttons will work, yes weare.
We're bringing up the one andonly Randy Black in theory.
Oh see, I thought I had thisall set.
I had assigned him to No.
Double click to add a case.
See, I had I assigned him tocamera three, it was all gonna
be great.
Okay, so how do I this doubleclick a camera source?

(26:37):
I did that.
Okay, we'll do this, and I willsay the video source is Randy
Black on camera two.
There he is, the one and only.
I thought that was gonna be socool.
I'm all set.
You did.
So how are you, my friend?

Randy Black (26:53):
I am fantastic.
I'm looking forward to nextweekend hanging out in
Whiteland, Indiana for Pod Indy.
Yeah.
Actually, got a call fromThursday evening, got a call
from Brad Miller himself askingme to take part in something
there at the event.
So excited about that.
It is it is actually my firstin-person podcasting event, so
I'm kind of excited.
And hey, I get a met DaveJackson in person, so I can't

(27:16):
complain about that.
There you go.
Exciting.
So I wanted to hop on and Ijust wanted to shout out and
give a testimonial to podchapters from Daniel D.
Lewis.
I decided like I did some betatesting on it for him, so I had
seen it, but I hadn't reallydove in and heavily used it.

(27:36):
It has changed my workflow fromabout 20 to 30 minutes to put
together chapters for an episodeand everything with the
interface I had with my mediahost at the time to chapters are
generated and pretty good inabout 13 seconds.

Yeah.

It's AI, the AI tool he has is really awesome.

Yeah, I've asked the podcast coach murders every
thing I've ever run it throughbecause we have 87 different
topics by the time the show'sdone.
Yes.
And Daniels is the one that hascome closest.
They all, I don't know why, butnone of them.
We spend, I don't know, two,three minutes on thanking our
awesome supporters.
That never gets picked up.

(28:20):
I don't know if I need to go,we're going to a new chapter
now, AI thing, you know, but itit's uh but no, Daniels is
really, really cool.

So I I was able to take I started I started using
the transcription there andquickly ran out of credits.
So I have Mac Whisper anyway.
So I did all my transcriptionwith Mac Whisper and then
uploaded the transcript and usedDaniel's AI tools to produce
the chapters.
And I went through 16 episodesof Shooting It Straight and 68

(28:53):
episodes of Bible Bites and haveeverything done, chapters on
everything, links to the to thechapters and everything in my
feed.
Did it all in an you know, Idid most of it while setting at
a conference uh up uh for forwork uh while listening to
vendors tell us about products.
I did most of it while I wasthere, and it I mean,

(29:14):
workflow-wise, like I even haveit like because I'm on a Mac
like you guys are.
I have some automator,automator stuff set up on the
Mac.
So when I download my mediafile, it just moves it
automatically to where I need itso I can upload it from one
place without having to drag andmove files and everything.
Yeah.
Um, so it's it's even it havingDaniel's tool has improved my
workflow even that much more tomake it that much easier.

I have a question because you snuck it in there.
You said the host I was using.
So who'd you move from andwho'd you move to?

Self hosting.
Uh I've got a CDN set up withBunny.net.
So I'm running everything goesinto the website.
They're WordPress websites.
Everything uploads there, butit copies over automatically to
Bunny for the CDN so thateverything gets distributed that
way.
And the CDN is not veryexpensive.
I mean, they do a minimumcharge of a dollar a month.

(30:05):
Yeah.
And even when I was even when Iwas doing the music show and
had all that stuff going throughthat CDN, I never tried paid
more than two or three dollars amonth.
Yeah.
Because their traffic theirtraffic volume that they allow
is dramatic.
Like I went from I went fromlike 300 and some mags used on

(30:26):
Bible Bytes before I movedeverything over to I'm up at
like 3.5 gigs of moved in twodays, and that cost me four
cents.
And then you use gonna guessOP3 for your stats?
OP3 is my stats, and the wayJohn has that set up, as long as
the even when once you put theredirect in, even if you're even
if your podcast GUID getschanged and that just got really

(30:49):
nerdy for a lot of people.
It did.
Even if the podcast GUID in thefeed changes, because the
redirect's in place, he keepsthe stats.
So it's all still there.
Yeah.
I I had I had I moved like, andit's nothing against the guys
at Podhom, Barry over at Podhom,they're amazing.
They will do some, they dogreat stuff.
If you have like, hey, can weadd this feature?

(31:09):
He'll say, Let me talk to mydevelopers, I'll let you know.
And usually within 48 hours,they have it on.
They're pretty good.
I just wanted to cut somecosts.

Yeah.

Well, I knew I went from I went from I went from
there like I think it's $16 amonth for the hosting with them
to running this on the on theCDN, and I'm gonna save, I'm
gonna save money that way.
So I picked up the cost ofusing pod chapters from Daniel.

Well, and I know you were really into the
streaming Satoshis.
Did you see that kind of justnot stop?
Yeah, it's it's it's just oneof those things like that.

The value proposition there, it's just
well, it there is no valueproposition there at this point
because of all the problemswe've had with with the way Albi
handled things, the way thatthe wallets are going, key send
is being not necessarilydeprecated, but not supported.
Like if you set up an umbrella,a little home server, yeah, and
install the bitcoin install aBitcoin node and install a

(32:06):
lightning node, by default now,that lightning node with LND,
key sends turned off.
You have to manually go in andturn it on.
So you even if you got it setup and got your channels open,
you wouldn't be getting anysats.
Well, that answered myquestion.
If if if you tapped out, I'mtapping out.
Because I st I'm still payingfor it.
It's not necessarily a tap out,it's just something has to

(32:26):
change.
Yeah, something has to changefor it to to to pick up the
proposition or doing it.
Like I still like the umbrals,the umbral node is still here.
It's right under the desk.
It's it's got Bitcoin noderunning, it's got the lightning
node running.
I've got helipad running on itbecause helipad was awesome, but
I have no sats on it right nowbecause I took everything out
and just pulled it all outinstead of letting it sit there.

(32:47):
I'll get hit with, or I did gethit, I don't remember when I
pulled it out.
You know, there are gonna besome taxes on that, but it's not
a huge amount.
And I was able to actually usethat, actually use those funds
that were sitting in that nodeto to buy my son an iPad.
So I'm not gonna complain aboutthat too much.
Awesome.

Well, what uh what website are we promoting today?

Let's let's shooting it straight is on
hiatus with Jim's passing.
It is coming back.
I don't have a I don't have adate yet on when it's coming
back.
When I leave Pod Indy nextSaturday, I'm heading south to
Louisville to visit Jim'sdaughter.
Jim's daughter is going to takeover the seat behind the mic.
She needs to keep it going.

(33:30):
So she's she's excited, she'sready.
So I've got to go Mondayevening to Jim's business.
I'm meeting his wife there andgetting all the equipment
together to take over to her andget her set up next weekend.
We'll record some stuff whilewe're there just to get some
stuff done and then startrecording remotely with her.
But I don't have a date yet.
So let's let's talk about Biblebites and how everybody should

(33:50):
listen.
Uh, if if you if you don't havea chance to get to church, you
want to get a little bit of alesson in there.
Currently, going through aseries on women in the Bible.
I think today we just had anepisode come out that was about
Hannah.
So there's more coming.
I'm still working on that.
That series actually the plansfor that series run through, I
think, beginning of May.

(34:10):
So I've got I've got stuffplanned out well in advance.
Um Bible dash bytes-bytes.com.
There we go.
BY T E S.
Yes.
Looking at I'm looking at aWeb3 domain potentially, so I
might I might be moving that.
Uh so it might end up beingsomewhere else.
Because there is with the webthree domains, there is a dot
podcast TLD.

(34:32):
So Mike might consider makingthat move.
But it's working well.
I'm not complaining.
I've got you know a solid, youknow, classroom and a half,
maybe two classrooms, dependingon on the week of people who
listen.
And it's just a way for me toshare the stuff I'm studying and
learning and and try to get themessage out for people who may

(34:52):
not may not be a Christian, butthey're looking for something to
enhance the faith in theirlife.
There you go.
All right, my friend.
Well, thanks for stopping in.

Awesome.
I'll see you next Saturday.
All right, man.
See ya.
Bye.
See you, Randy.
The one and only Randy Black.
Gotta love that.

In true, in true promoter in influencer fashion,
he said, it was just funny.
He said, Well, I we won't talkabout this one because it's on a
hiatus.
But then he talked about it andpromoted it.
And then he came back to theone he promoted.
So, Randy, good job on onpromoting and not and not
promoting it.
Well, that's all good.

We got two questions I want to hit.
One is Ralph's, we're gonna hitthat and then we're gonna go
back and get Jeff's question.
But he said, What is the valueof self-hosting?
Well, remember when there firstof all, I gotta remember Randy
is a network admin for an entireschool system.
So I believe if I rememberright, he prefers geek.
He's not a nerd.
So Randy has a different skillset than most of the listeners

(35:50):
of the show.
Very intelligent dude.
So with self-hosting, much moremanual work, maybe a little, I
don't know if much, but there'smore work.
No IAB stat well, he's usingOP3.
OP3 is not IAB certified, butyou only care about that if you
have sponsors.
So it's cheaper, but it's andhe's smart.

(36:12):
In the early days, this is whatdoesn't work is when you upload
your file to WordPress.
WordPress is meant to serve webpages which have text and
graphics, which are itty, ittybitty bitty bitty.
And then you upload a 60 megMP3 file, and 300 people try to
grab that MP3 file at the sametime.

(36:32):
It's not bandwidth, it's notstorage, it's resources because
that website host is now goingand it can't keep up.
So where he's using a CDN, acontent delivery network, which
is meant to serve media files,uh, along with many other
things.
So I used Bunny back in theearly days of podcasting 2.0 to

(36:56):
serve my JavaScript.
Yes, let's geek out, shall we?
And that's what he used Bunny,and it is, it's much cheaper.
And if you use OP3 for thestats, so you would have which
is just a redirect that for therecord you probably don't need.
I I know so many people willput podtrack, then op3, which is

(37:16):
by the records, op3.dev.
The nice thing about it, itmakes your stats public.
So if you ever want to shareyour stats, you can do that.
But I'll see people have podtrack, then op3, and then some
other company I can't remember,and then another one.
And you got to realize, becauseI had somebody this happen this
week at at Podpage.
Somebody's like, hey, my mylast three episodes haven't

(37:38):
imported.
And I went over and they had somany of these, and one of them
had like given up the ghost.
They were done.
And so when one of thosebreaks, none of your files
download, and your feed breaks,and all sorts of other fun
stuff.
So the the advantage is in thelong run you can save money
because it is.
That's bunny is dirt cheap.
I'll put a link in the the chathere in a second, because I

(38:00):
believe I have an affiliate forthem.
But it's not where you log intoyou know, whoever, captivate
buzz sprout, everything's in oneplace, and so it's a matter of
is this extra time you're takingto do these things worth the 12
bucks you're paying forhosting?

I don't know.
Jim, do you use a CDN foranything?
I don't.
I use Maple Grove Partners,which is kind of self-hosting,
right?
I mean, yeah, he's just a hostprovider, he's doing all he's
taking the complexity out of itfor you.
He's not a mainstream, youknow, he's just a small host
provider.
So I like to say I'mself-hosted, but I'm using

(38:41):
someone else that you know whenmy things break, I call
Christian.
Yeah.
I I think now Randy's liketruly self-hosting, like he's
doing all of the work.
99%.
We just lost to 99% of ouraudience right now because we're
like, I don't want to, I don'twant to do the complexity.

(39:02):
99% of the people should nothelp self-host, like pay the
money, it's not worth, it's notcheaper.
I mean, it it it is maybe inmoney you actually pay, but in
time you put into it, probablynot.
Not for most people, right?
You know, Randy's got somespecial skills.
They sound like Liam Neeson.
It does got some specialskills.
Special skills.

(39:23):
Yeah, exactly.

And if I if you don't download my show, I will
find you and I will kill you.
Find you and I'll kill you.

Yes.
So it it it is if you've gotthose skills and you can do it
fairly easily and you like doingit, great.
That's one percent, right?
The rest of us, just buyhosting.
It's you're fine, it's okay.
Yeah, you know, but and thenbuy a host provider that you
like.
Like they're all the same.
They're all the same, right?

Well, here's the thing PowerPress does the heavy
lifting for me.
The reason I don't PowerPressis I I still use it on the
school of podcasting becauseit's been there for 19 years,
but I don't use it for my feedbecause a bunch of Germans liked
my site once, and they liked ita whole lot to where whatever
that's called, a denial ofservice or whatever, they were
just pounding the school ofpodcasting.

(40:09):
Well, that was my feed.
My feed was on my website.
And so they I at the time I washosted on hostgator.
That is so back in the day,because it was you know four
dollars a month or somethinglike that.
And that's actually back whenhostgator support wasn't bad.
And they're like, if you coulddo anything to get your feed off

(40:32):
of your website, they're likethat'll they're just pounding
your feed for some reason.
So I redirected my blueberryfeed to the Libson feed and I
let them take all the bandwidth.
And so that's why, and that'salso if you ever wonder why
Blueberry, the make well, thethe whatever, they're the the
patrons of of the PowerPressplugin, why did they make

(40:55):
podcast mirror?
Because sometimes you want yourfeed off your your website, and
so their podcast mirror isbasically an alternative to
feedburner, which is a wholeother thing.
So, yeah, the Jeff, the one andonly Jeff C, since most people
are using AI for creating shownotes, and for the record, I

(41:16):
like Captivates AI stuff, castmagic, which I bought on App
Sumo has done apparently a lotof not that it was bad, but
they're AI show notes now.
I was like, whoa! And thanks toMark Johansson for pointing
that out.
He was like, You need to gowatch a couple videos, and so AI

(41:37):
show notes were were prettygood, but he says, you know,
since AI is creating show notes,will this cause even more
people to not read show notessince they're now AI?
That's a great question.

I don't think people know.
I mean, for the most part, thatwith AI, like even when we did
a boy at work, we did a bunch ofAI voice work this week.
It's it's just one of thosethings that you know, we had we
had a need for it.
And what I find with AI voice,uh voice cloning is kind of what
we've been calling it.
When you tell the person it'sAI, they treat it differently

(42:12):
than when you don't.
Oh.
Right?
I and so go ahead.
Oh, I just have a great exampleof this.
Yeah, yeah, yeah.

I'm listening on Spotify, and this band comes on,
and I'm like, man, I really whois this?
I really like them.
And this has happened at leastthree times with this band.
And when I hear them, I like itbecause I don't know who it is.
And then I see that it'sWolfgang Van Halen, it's Eddie's
kid.
And because he doesn't soundlike Van Halen, if I know it's

(42:43):
him, I'm like, well, thisdoesn't sound like Van Halen
because it's not.
It's he doesn't want to soundlike his dad.
But there are times knowingwhat it is will switch the way
you think about it.
So when you're talking about ifI know it's AI, well then I'm
like, well, I'm looking for likeI just last night I I brought
back, just because I felt likeit, the podcast rodeo show,

(43:04):
which reminds me we have to talkabout checking your stuff.
But there was a I listened to apodcast about copywriting, and
in her description, she saiddeep dive.
And I was like, because when Isee deep dive, all sorts of red
flags go off in my head thatlike what you're reading is AI.
And I'm like, well, it's acopywriter, though.

(43:25):
Surely she's not writing likeher show description is not
written by AI, but you neverknow.
But I mean, I I used I wentback, I've seen old posts I've
had where I said deep divebefore AI wasn't even born yet.
So, but getting back to Jeff'squestion, delves.

That was that's a tell telltale.
Delves and m-dashes.
Well, so and it I even did anexperiment one time where I gave
people two tracks that I hadmade and said, Tell me which one
is AI.
And I played both, and theywould they would pick one or the
other.
And I said, What if I told youthey were both AI, right?
And so we right, yeah, yeah,yeah.

(44:05):
A little Microsoft uh that'sthe name of that.
They did a campaign like thatone time, anyways.
So I think in the writingpiece, we're gonna get it's it's
kind of similar, right?
You you might know, you mightnot know.
And then the other the otherthing happened to me the other
day.
I was doing some recording, andsomeone is they were listening

(44:26):
to me recording, and they said,Oh, you said that like the AI.
Like, what because we had an AIversion of me saying they had
been listening to that a wholebunch as they were trying to get
the so they were trying to getthis video piece together.
They were listening to the gym,the AI gym.
And so then they're listeningto me actually talk, and they're

(44:47):
like, Oh, you talk like yourAI.
Like, that's because it's me.
Yeah, that's right.
It no, it talks like me.
So I think in in some regards,when we don't know it, it's
different.
Like it, you have you have adifferent, you you kind of have
a different you you judge it alittle bit differently.
I think in written show notes,listen, we're not really writing

(45:08):
show notes for people anymore.
I I don't know if you guys knowthis, but this is the
conversation in chat.
Very few people actually go outand see your show notes, right?
The ones that do are superengaged though, and they expect
to see some things, right?
Chris says, I can't wait toread the show notes, said no one
ever until you have that reallyengaged listener who says, You

(45:32):
said you'd put it in your shownotes.
I went and looked, it's andit's not there.

And that's oh, they I will re- I will write you
a sternly worded letter.
If I'm listening to an author,you you you've you've convinced
me I need this book, and I go tothe show notes and there's no
link to the book.

Oh like, hey, so you're not writing it for the
you're not writing it so thatit's gonna be a New York Times
bestseller.
You're writing it so that forthat person who wants to come
and who needs that information,and two, you're writing it for
the bots.
You know, five years ago youwere writing it for the Google
crawlers, right?
So that you could get today,you're writing it so that you

(46:11):
are getting all the AI bots thatare out there for generative
AI.
And, you know, the the biggestpiece of advice that AI itself
gives you is restructure thosenotes with FAQs.
Like AI loves FAQs right now.
So if you're not including FAQsas part of your show notes,
you're probably missing some.
I don't can't tell you whatyou're missing because nobody

(46:32):
knows the algorithm that makesthe LLMs that make these things,
but that's what they say.
So are we is you know, arepeople flooding to your show
notes?
No.
But you have a very engaged, ifyou have a very engaged
audience, you're gonna get fromtime to time somebody who
ghosts.
And then two, you're reallywriting it and ask AI itself,
how should these notes bestructured so that you crawl

(46:53):
them better or more or whatever?
That's not a bad idea.

That's what you're that's what you're writing it
for.
Well, and Chris says, add thisinto your show notes prompt,
include links to everythingmentioned in the show.
Yeah, I uh captivate does that,and they said that's because
they heard me mention it on theshow.
Because I would go I would gointo Cast Magic and I'm like,
and name all the companies andlist all the links, and that way

(47:20):
Don't trust the links though.

Don't trust the links.
No, they're gonna make my AIwill make those links up.
For sure they will, right?
You know.

And I said in the podcast rodeo show, which Glenn
said, I'm still a subscribe tothat show.
So it's been a year.
It was September of 2024, wasthe last time I did that.
And the I said podcast rodeoshow, and it put it down as
podcastradio show.com.
And I was like, Nope, you'reclose.
Nope.
You know, it's a bad name.

(47:49):
It doesn't check them.

It doesn't check them, it does not check your
links.
Like it it is and for thosesites, those weird sites, like
where like, you know, let's justuse podpage.
Yeah, say podpage, say they'rethey act say somebody else had
podpage, so they neededpodpage.hq or podpagehq.com.
Was there a AI is not gonna getthat right.
Not right now.

(48:11):
It may get better in thefuture, but it will absolutely
get those things wrong.
You have to check your linksfor sure.

Well, speaking of checking things, so I went to
this this show.
It was called Talk Copy to Me,which I kept having poison run
through my head, the band.
Yeah, talk copy to me.
And I went to her website andshe does uh I guess we're gonna
throw shade.

(48:38):
It was a good show for therecord if you go listen to it.
But on her front page, shementioned that she can help you
with her podcast.
And on her front page, she hada link to Google Podcasts.
So oopsie.
Yeah.
And so I mentioned that thismorning, and Jim's like, let me
go look.
And he's like, Oops.
And I'm like, when he goes, Ihave a link to Google Podcasts.
So if you back when wementioned it in like March that

(49:01):
Google Podcast was going away,you should probably remove that.
And you went, Oh yeah, I'll dothat tomorrow.
And then, well, some of usforgot.
So I had to go look.

I didn't even think twice.
Like I forgot.
I use Daniel's social subscribeicons, and which are fantastic,
by the way.
And I totally forgot.
So it's a it's one of those howoften do you look at your own
subscribe page, right?
You know, it's it's maybe worthsetting an alert for, you know,
once every six months, do youthink, to go out and say, hey,
what's died?

(49:30):
What's new?
Should I be adding new thingsto my subscribe page?

There were all sorts of stuff on that
particular website on the onpodcastrodeoshow.com that were
like, whoa, that's like I had anold email form there that goes
to nothing.
I had a lot of stuff going tonothing.
And then to make matters worse,I went to her contact page to
say, hey, just so you know, youhave Google Podcasts on your

(49:56):
front page, you might want toremove that.
Oh, and by the way, I gave youa winnie.
You know, I really like the wayyou you started off your show.
And I filled out my name and myemail and the message, and I
hit send and her form orwhatever she was using.
Yeah.
So I could not contact her tolet her know that her Google
podcast was on.

(50:18):
And it was like, so if you wantpeople to contact you, go use
your own contact form just tomake sure it works, make sure
it's not going to spam, all thatkind of stuff.
Because when I looked at thesite, I was like, wait, this is
pointing at I had a bunch ofstuff it was pointing to that
doesn't I've changed.
And I'm like, well, it's onlyit's been a year, you know.
Yeah.
Jeff said I had a Google Pluslink for years, but didn't know

(50:42):
to let it go.
Holy cow, do you wait?
I gotta find David Lee Roth.
Where'd he go to?
Because we actually, or wecould just no I can't quite get
that.
Woo! I was looking that orthis.
There we go.
There we are.
The one and only Bangs naughtybits gave us a super chat, a

(51:06):
super whatever that's called.
Yeah, a super chat.
So thank you for that, myfriend.
From the one and only, thoushalt not make a machine in the
likeness of human mind.
There we go.
So appreciate that.
And he's over there.
If you want to see Bangs, he'sone of the moderators over at
the uh the R, however you saythat in Reddit, but it's the

(51:26):
podcasting.
There's a that's where halfthese questions come from every
morning.
I go over there and see peopleasking things.
Is Reddit's still a thing?
Like people still oh, and ifyou listen to the SEO people,
everybody should have their ownsubreddit because it gets
crawled all the time.
Like AI loves Reddit to tocrawl.
So I was like, huh,interesting.

(51:48):
But yeah.
So I have to check it out.

I have to check it out.
I didn't think it was a thinganymore.

Oh, but I'm here to tell you it's the same
questions every week.
It's it's you know, video.
How do I do video?
I want to do a three-camerashoot with no microphones in the
shot for under a hundred bucks.
And you're like, uh, no, youknow, there's that.
Speaking of that, though, here,straight from Reddit, let me
share my screen.
I I I'm can, I'm gonna readthis the way it's written.

(52:17):
I'm can use the camera on myiPhone for recording my video
podcast.
But, and he said, I've searchedthis quite a few times.
So thank you to that person foractually searching Reddit.
So many people just go thereand go, how do I grow my
audience?
and see that, you know, that'sbeen asked 14 million times uh a
day for the last 20 years.
I've searched this quite a fewtimes on here and see many

(52:39):
people saying, just use youriPhone camera, but don't waste
money on a separate camera justfor your podcast.
But how has everyone beentransferring their footage from
an iPhone to editing softwarelike Adobe Premiere?
So I like this guy.
If he's got Adobe Premiere,he's not trying to do this on
the cheap.
He said, I've used Wii Transferin the past, but anything over

(52:59):
10 minutes is impossible tosend.
And I don't want to have Idon't want to record two hours
and then have to wait four hoursto upload to then just download
on a different computer.
To this, I ask, you're doing atwo-hour video show?
Holy cow.
That's a long time to holdpeople's attention.
This is why I've been lookinginto having a camera that we can

(53:22):
just pop out an SD card andplug it into a card reader and
be done.
How has everyone used theiPhone method and made it
possible for a video podcast?
I have separate mics, so noworries.
And since we're sharing myscreen, if I go to there is a
software called Camo Studio, andit basically pops up and it

(53:45):
says no device detected.
But anyway, you can plug, youbasically wirelessly connect
your phone.
There I am.
So there's my my uh that's me.
Hi, there's me.
And I can come in here and say,uh, there's all sorts of stuff.
I can auto adjust, I can whitebalance, I can all this stuff on
the right-hand side, and Icould also, I'm assuming then,
take OBS or some sort ofrecording thing and use this as

(54:08):
a camera, and then you know, soif I like look, I I want to look
like a Smurf.
Ooh, that's cute.
There we go.
A little Halloween coloring forus, you know.
Daddy, I want it now.
I look purple.
So it's pretty cool.
It's nine, I think it's 99bucks for lifetime access, but
camo is another way that youcould, and I believe I don't

(54:32):
know if that works on PC or not.
I know it works on you know aMac.
And I I almost kind of want togo, if you want to do video, get
a Mac.
Just get a Mac.
And I used to hate people thatsaid that, but it's kind of true
in a way.

So he has phone link now.
So if you just put in search,if you're if you have PC, just
search phone and uh you have theapplication called phone link.
And then you can you can sharefiles that way depending on how
you're connected.
So if you connect with a wire,I would recommend USB-C wire to

(55:11):
it.
It'll transfer files betweenyour phone and your PC pretty
easily now.
If if you have a Mac, it justworks.
You don't need to, if you'regoing if you're going iPhone to
Mac, that just it just itthere's a couple ways to do it
that are pretty easy.
That was my thing.
Use phone link.

Phone link.
I know on a Mac you can do theairdrop thing.
That would take a while for atwo anything's gonna take a
while for a two-hour video file.
And I'm sure he's shooting an8K because you you're 16k or 1
million K or whatever we're upto today.
Chris from Castahead.net,highly recommend camo.
Super easy to use on the fly.
I use it often as analternative camera.

(55:52):
Jeff C, I use camo in an old fiPhone to have an overhead shot
for product videos.
Yeah, it's also great on aniPad.
And then Chris from PodcasticAudio.
Apple is uh the best forcreators.
The iPad is great.
I use it as a monitor for camowhen filming away from my desk.
How cool is that?

(56:12):
Yeah.

The I use iPads can be really helpful.
They can be very, very helpful.

Rich says I use NDI HX camera on my iPhone 6 and
then bring in the second shotover NDI.
There you go.
Yeah.
Yeah.
NDI is amazing.
I don't know what that standsfor.
Not doing it.
NDI.
Sorry.

(56:40):
So and you're yeah.
So yeah, Ralph found it, musthave gone over listening to the
podcast rodeo show.

I forgot I had a service interface, by the way.

Ah I forgot I had a service.
It's still there.
If you go toDaveinYourpocket.com, it's
coaching without calendars.
Uh that does sound a littleweird, doesn't it?
Like Dave in your pocket.

Are you happy to see me or do you have a Dave in
your pocket?

But that was something I was trying.
And I find so as I'm goingthrough the podcast rodeo show,
Mike, oh I forgot I tried this.
And I found an old ad and putit in the middle of it.
So yeah, always fun.
You know what else is alwaysfun?
Our awesome supporters.
They are great, they'reamazing.
We we almost should rename themthe amazing supporters, but

(57:32):
that sounds like some sort of, Idon't know, Marvel movie coming
out in the spring.
The awesome, the amazingsupporters.
And so we are talking aboutthese people here.
So, and I need to update thisslide because we have lost a
few.
Thanks, government shutdown.
But we're not going to talkpolitics.
But I've had a few people like,hey, I'm not making money, so

(57:52):
you're not.
But thanks to all those people.
And also, Ralph updated one ofhis shows, which we'll talk
about here in a second.
But the show is brought to youby the school of podcasting.com
where you get courses, you getcoaching, and community use the
coupon code coach when you signup for either a monthly, a
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(58:12):
And yeah, if you need somehonest feedback on your show,
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I will go over an episode thatyou pick, and I'll go over your
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We'll look for that low-hangingfruit that you might have
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And it's all there atpodcasthotseat.com.
And when you're at ask thepodcastcoach.com, you're looking
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And if you want a tripod page,it's simple.

(58:34):
Go to tripodpage.com.
If you want to learn pod page,go to learnpodpage.com.
Or Jim said it earlier.
If you go to podpage HQ inYouTube, I just put out a what I
where did this phrase comefrom?
Soup to nuts.
What have you ever heard that?
Oh man, it's from soup to nuts.
And I'm like, No, I'm gonnalook it up though.

(58:55):
I'll look it up right now whilewe're talking.

We'll cut it.

Yeah, but it's it's from picking your colors to
putting content into it.
There's a a video on ourYouTube channel there.
And if you need more JimCullison, look at him scurrying,
trying to find that answer.
Well, then uh go over totheaverage guy.tv and check out
Home Gadget Geeks.
And uh it's time for thesupporter of the week.

(59:17):
And so this is where if I canget my I really every week I
say, I'm losing this PC.
I need both my monitors, but Iuh swapped out some artwork
because while he's still doingthe growth and grit show, uh
Ralph is now the contentcreators accountant.
Find that at Content Creator'sAccountant because it's not just

(59:38):
about making money as a contentcreator, it's keeping it.
And that's what Ralph is gonnahelp you do over at Content
Creators Accountant.
And I just realized there's ashuffle button on this show or
on the uh wheel of names.
And so we're gonna shuffle it,we're gonna shuffle it again and
one more time, and then we'llclick spin and who we'll be the

(01:00:01):
featured supporter of the week.
It is the ladies.
Is it going to stay there?

Jim Collison (01:00:07):
I'm not seeing it on screen, Dave.
You're not.
Well I only see the I only seethe there we go.
There we go.
There we go.
Oddice, there you go.
It did spin.

Dave Jackson (01:00:16):
It did spin.
It did.
And it came up on the ladiesfrom keep the flame
alivepod.com.
When are the Olympics comingup?
Because that's what they cover.

Oh let's see it's 25, 26 next year?
Maybe it's the winter?
I think so.
Because we just didn't we justhave Paris for the summer.
I think so.

So so they've uh they'll be over there covering
the games for us.
And if you're a fan of theOlympics, well then you'll be a
fan of that show because they doit very well.
And if you found the show to beentertaining maybe we saved you
some time we saved you somemoney we saved you a headache

(01:00:54):
maybe we kept you educatedsimply go to ask the
podcastcoach.com slash awesomeyou don't have to do the $20
value to be on the wheel ofnames you can be it could be as
low as five dollars a month butthank you to all of our awesome
supporters and so with that letme where did the soup the nuts

(01:01:14):
yeah it's it's it's a dinnerphrase in a full course meal you
would start with the soup youwould end with the nuts sweet
they had some sweet or this isyeah this is like this this
phrase has been around a whileso I I don't know I like to
start with dessert myself that'sjust my that's just the way I

(01:01:35):
go in so cake or cookies.

Well that's my whole thing like when did nuts
become dessert in the old daysbefore they had you know the
like modern ice cream and pieyeah that's true.
Yeah maybe that's uh we wehaven't always lived in this
kind of decadence that we havetoday this processed food
decadence the decadence world ofice cream tasty I'm not going

(01:01:58):
back i listen i'm not i'm notgoing back listen cavemen ate
organically and they only livedto be like 30 years old so i
don't want to I'm not they theirlife was terrible I'm not going
back to that I I enjoy my cakesand cookies and desserts yeah
we have an oldie but a goodiespeaking of how the same

(01:02:18):
questions are asked on Redditall the time how's my progress
so far you see this a lot heyfriends brand new to podcasting
I'm wondering how my numberslook to experienced serial
podcasters so far I've publishedeleven episodes in 11 days and
have 45 total downloads I'm inthe saturated tech and AI news

(01:02:39):
space but on the weekends I tryto change it up for a day gaming
on Saturday and last weeksingle topic meta industry
analysis we talked about the AIbubble for 10 minutes.

It wasn't very popular so I'm thinking of
switching it up it wasn't.
Well I wonder what it as in thewhole show anyway bubble part
wasn't popular.
Yeah anyway just curious howmany downloads compare is this
really a slow start for a normalfor 11 episodes to which of
course I asked hey did you getsome feedback before you

(01:03:13):
launched because authors haverough drafts actors have dress
rehearsals athletes have youknow preseason because it might
be that you put out a roughdraft and you're now wondering
why it's not growing so thatwould be that but if you go to
buzzsprout.com slash stats youcan see that Apple Podcast is

(01:03:39):
36% Spotify is 28 and if we godown here somewhere yeah their
average their median meaning 50%get more and 50% get less is 28
downloads after the first sevendays so that's not 30 days.
I wish they would change thatto 30 days yeah that would be

(01:04:02):
that's more the benchmark.
That's why that number's so lowbecause I always wondered but
if you take that 28 and times itby four you've got 116 that's
about to me I think the averagebecause I know Libson's average
I think the median over there isagain a hundred and something

(01:04:24):
and the Libsen average is arounda thousand.
That doesn't mean that Libsongets you more downloads.
In fact these days Libson'sbeen having a bad month I don't
know what's going on over therebut this is something host
provider can't get you moredownloads Dave is that is that
what you just said I just saidthat it public don't they all
don't they all advertise that ifyou come to them they will make

(01:04:47):
you the best oh yeah we'rewe're the we're well here I'll
just give and I like these guysI'm I'm not gonna throw shade
I'm just gonna pick on them alittle bit but everybody does
this okay but when I go here bythe way if you're using acorns I
could earn 26 20.6% by usingwhatever affiliate link they
just put in here but when I seestuff on any any media host here

(01:05:09):
where it says share yourepisodes on social media almost
all of them do that.
Embed them on an externalwebsite all of them do this.
Automatically distribution ofyour episodes to all the listing
platforms they all do that it'snot a feature you know you're
gonna get analytics they all doat and every website you know
now this one they have dynamicads so if you want your three

(01:05:33):
cents a down or you know 0.003cents a download but you know if
I go to let's go to Podbean youknow they're all gonna say the
same thing.
You're a hosting and monetizingplatform.
And how do they do it?
Well you're gonna create like apro.
Where's their features at?
But all their features are youknow turn your passion into a

(01:05:55):
new income stream.
See they're getting a littleyou know with Podbean AI just
use AI and money will fall fromthe heavens don't they they're
not doing their typical thing.

They have analytics you have an app yay
you can live stream on Podbeanyou know where's the snarkiness
listen there are some thoughlike I think like podcasts.com
which those guys have notupdated it is still a thing and

(01:06:27):
they haven't updated that sitein a thousand years.
So while we say all podcastsites are the same and I I say
it jokingly or maybe not alittle bit there are some out
there that are definitely notkeeping up with the Joneses.

So I love this I would look you can upload it and
then play it.
Yeah I hope so you know easypodcast sharing into all the
apps of course and statisticsand you know yeah and it doesn't
work sometimes it's been a I II subscribe to as many as I can
just so I can kind of stay ontop of them in what they're

(01:07:06):
doing.

And that's one that hasn't updated in a while.
So fire beware, you knowthey're not all the exactly the
same but when you think aboutthe big players right that are
out there it's pretty much whatyou want to use at this point,
right?
We've kind of reached parityamong the big seven or eight
yeah and then yeah Mark saysmost people going in don't know

(01:07:30):
this.

Yeah that's true.
That's true.

That is true.
Yeah it's good it's good toknow us us seasoned folks bitter
I would say seasoned and bitterstop asking the same questions
it's it it's just part of welland Rich says I use dynamic
slots for my own stuff.

Could my calls to A go for my newsletter things
like that.
Yeah so like like RSS.comlipson has ads I think I made 17
cents last month in libsen onmy building a better dave show
because it gets no downloads atall but uh you know and and I
have to wait till I get to 50bucks.
So sometime in 2030 I will getmy 50 bucks from lipson.

(01:08:10):
And that's not a lipson thingthat's a dynamic you know it's
it's 0.003 cents a download andthat's kind of the same for most
of those.
So if I move to Spreaker or ifI move to rss.com which has ads
or Red Circle you know the thedynamic ad thing I have a guy I
want to get on Zoom with him.
He's telling me no no man I got$30 CPM for dynamic stuff and

(01:08:33):
I'm like okay I'm willing youknow show me the money but I
just I don't know anybody that'sdoing that and having that kind
of CPM and even that okay I get300 downloads I'm getting $30
per 1000 so that means I made$10 maybe which $10 is better
than nothing.
The ads come from usually thesame places one begins with a T.

(01:08:57):
You'll hear them a lot fromcrap Tom Webster and Brian
Barletto sounds profitable.
There's like three companiesthat do all the ads and they all
do the same thing.
So it's all going to be Geicoand whatever you know and but
and that's also you'll notice ifyou click play on a show and

(01:09:20):
nothing happens and then an adcomes on that's what's going on
is behind the scenes it's it'ssneezing.
Bless you it's it's going outand getting the ad and
dynamically inserting it intoand it's figuring out where you
are the listener so we can talkabout you know Carl Jones Chevy
go down to Carl and get yourselfa Chevy you know and so that's

(01:09:42):
always always kind of freaky.
I had two I felt bad I had twoads this week at the beginning
of a show which to me is ahorrible way to start your show
and they were in Spanish ofwhich besides Yocomo Manzanas
which is I eat apples that's allI know and how to count to four
you know and I was like sothere's there's some ad spend

(01:10:04):
that was not well done I waslike I don't know why you think
people in Akron are speakingSpanish but there are definitely
some but yeah so yeah Mark issaying if you put out more
building a better Dave episodesyou'll get more downloads.
Yeah that is a very that's justmy therapy I almost put out one
today realizing that Neil Youngis the guy from Petticoat

(01:10:29):
Junction which really reallyreally dates me.
But any Southern you know theold there's always that old
Southern guy that talks likethis.
I don't know what tar nationyou're doing you know and then I
was like if that guy started tosing, you know, old man look at
my I'm like wait Neil Young isthe old Southern guy in in these
old shows you know so and thatwas almost a building better a

(01:10:52):
better Dave.
So that is the genius that goesinto building a better Dave or
just the fact that I hategetting old which is slowly most
of my episodes over there likewell can't uh like I can't sing
a high A anymore not that I evershould have but if I try to do
that that's not going to work.
Here's a fun one speaking ofstarting podcasts.
Wait Jack has a question whatplatform are you using to stream

(01:11:14):
now?
No I am using Ecamm Ecamm liveI think I have do I have yes
there's a link to EcammStreamYard for the record we
were talking about this on everyFriday we do lunch with Dave at
the School of Podcasting andChris from castahead.net said
you know it's expensive but itworks because we're talking

(01:11:36):
about Riverside Riverside justadded a new feature which I went
oh no because when they add anew feature that means it's
probably also going to causesome bugs because that's just
you know hey here's the goodnews is here's a new feature and
we threw in some bugs just forfun.
But you can now I need to goback and watch this video but it

(01:11:56):
it appeared that you could nowplug two USB microphones into
the same computer.
So if you if it's you and yourco-host and you're in the same
room you could get separatetracks on the same computer in a
browser and I that's one that Igo I gotta go watch that again
because that sounds almostimpossible.
But I I saw that in there.

(01:12:17):
So yeah Jack unfortunatelyeCamm is for Mac only if you're
looking for something that's notstream yard you could use I I
tried these guys for a a monthand they weren't bad.
It was a little little e cam yversus a stream yardy but not
the price and it was EV muxwhich if I had anything to say

(01:12:39):
them I would go I would go get anew name.
That's just just not mm-mm soKen says have regular downloads
is better or worse than puttingthem up when you want I don't
know for the fans questionshaving regular downloads is
better or worse than puttingthem up when you want so you you

(01:13:01):
like weekly versus wheneverlike you just do building a bit
of better Dave whenever you havesomething when I feel so moved
yeah and I just to me I I gotthat lesson from the one and
only Ray Ortega who I'm going ifI can remember I'm going to
nudge him I want to bring backpodcasters round table.
I missed that show but Ray didan episode called the Podcaster

(01:13:23):
Studio and he went from beingsuper consistent to not but when
he put one out it was alwaysamazing and so that's where I'm
like always I is I would ratherbring consistent value if I
can't deliver a consistentschedule because I just knew it
was good.
Yeah Randy says that would bereally hard to do on Windows

(01:13:46):
Windows needs the device to haveher separate UUID again Randy
network admin guy to see them asdifferent devices a lot of USB
microphones don't do that anduse a single yeah this is where
if you had two Samsung Q2Us a aPC computer won't know which
one's which so yeah so when I Ineed to go back I just saw that

(01:14:09):
in Riverside and was like waitcan you can you can you do that?
That seems crazy.
And so just to show you andthis is where if you haven't
seen Riverside let me share myscreen it's it's a little you
know there's a there's a lotgoing on in here and I think if

(01:14:31):
I go into my projects or if I gohere see I I'm not in here
enough to know what I'm reallydoing.
That's Heidi.
She's gonna be on the show Ithink next week for the school
of podcasting but somewhere inhere you can go in I'll have to
do this when I know what I'mdoing.
Because I don't so meanwhileover in Notejoy I need help

(01:14:54):
picking a podcast name she saysmy friend and I are wanting to
start a podcast but we can't forthe life of anything think of a
name we narrowed a setting downto filming and recording in our
car so we made a few segmentnames and lists based off of
that vibe that kind of doesn'tmake any sense.

(01:15:14):
I'm gonna name the show aboutwhere I recorded so welcome to
Dave's spare bedroom and Jim'sbasement that that that wouldn't
make any sense.
We have a list of words and wefeel like we have good ideas but
we're stumped any idea iswelcome doesn't have to include
just the words segments includecarpool confessions what's on

(01:15:37):
aux if they want to be alistener or watcher hitch a ride
see because they're all in thecar but that's not about what
the topic is unless you'retalking about cars.
So there is if you go to theGoogle and because I don't know
where this is but if I go buzzsprout podcast name generator

(01:15:57):
podpage also has one of theseyou can go in here answer some
words and do that.
I don't know if it's gonna letme do that because I'm probably
logged into Podpage survey saysI am I guess if I logged out
because it's in the footer ifyou go to podpage.com at the

(01:16:19):
bottom somewhere down here is apodcast resources podcast name
generator so there's another onewhere you enter a description
of your podcast and some answersome questions and it will spit
out an answer.
So if you're looking for thatmy always thing for a a podcast
is if I go to someone and sayI'm doing a show called Riding

(01:16:44):
Through Indiana what do youthink it's about that person
should probably go I don't knoweither horseback bicycle or
motorcycle through Indiana youknow you to me you want it to be
obvious you want it to havekeywords like Jim has home
gadget geeks.
There you go he's got homegadgets that's what people are

(01:17:06):
looking for in geeks.

So you know that worked out well I I haven't done
a lot of things rightpodcasting sometimes but that
name worked out really reallywell.

Yeah so where podcast rodeo show is a horrible
name that's why I changed itlater to podcast hot seat but
podcast rodeo show a wasn'tsupposed to be a real show it
was a show I plan on doing for acouple weeks while I tested a a
media host and then theaudience was like no don't stop
you're saying everything we'rethinking so but that wasn't

(01:17:39):
supposed to be a real showbecause people understandably
think it's about the rodeo andthen they like wait this guy's
just talking about shows sothat's not a a good name at all
let's see here's a fun one Idon't I don't totally agree with
you Dave.

I mean I know you're you're dissing on your
own title but the podcast rodeoshow is one of those that yes
maybe on initial read you'relike is this rodeo thing?
But I think the word rodeo isenough especially with your
graphic to give people an ideaof what they're of what they're

(01:18:14):
getting and then once you'vebeen there once or someone says
hey you know you need to listento the podcast rodeo show they
don't then it it you blow rightpast the problems with that
right and so I I don't I Idisagree with you a little bit
on your own hard hardening toyourself.
That's I don't think it's Idon't think it's terrible.

Yeah well I finally added a tagline and so
now it's podcast rodeo showreviews and first impressions of
your podcast.

Yeah right on right on oh I I know you're hard
on yourself on that one but Idon't I don't know if that I I
this is an area where the theinflection in the title like
when we when we create sorry I'mso low here my back is
struggling no that's all rightearlier it was hurting so bad
the this is where the the thethe the I don't know what to
call it nuance the the wordingin it someone will help me in

(01:19:08):
chat room the it helps with itright I mean so once it gets
going it's simple yeah it's therodeo show right and people
would say have you listened tothis week's rodeo show I I so I
I don't think it always has tobe a hundred percent clear
exactly what it is becausesometimes those things are

(01:19:28):
boring right well yeah they'rejust that's those are those are
boring titles.

It can help but yeah if you've got content that
makes people go oh you got tolisten to that but the other
thing I forgot to check was Icame over and I was like you
know nobody's signed up for thisin forever so I came over and I
clicked on get reviewed and Iwas like oh okay and so I came
down here and I clicked on thereview me button and it took me
over to Fiverr which is what Iwas using to process it and

(01:19:56):
Fiverr then I logged in and I'mlike what's going on all of my
gigs have been put on holdbecause I needed to fill out
some tax something some sort oftax information of which I then
clicked on that to fill that andspeaking of checking stuff that
page wouldn't let me fill outmy tax stuff.
It just sat there and spun Iwas like what is like this is

(01:20:17):
just a whole night of things notworking.
So I ended up just to make iteasier I set up the rodeo show
now to use buy me a coffee youcan sell stuff through buy me a
coffee.
So I basically oh that'sanother thing so you go over to
buy me a coffee give me my 20bucks and then when that goes
through I now use tally.so whichis a free tool you can use to

(01:20:42):
make forms.
You can also use Google forms Ijust like the way tally looks
it's it's got kind of a smootherlook but I bought there's a
thing on app sumo and you knowhow people talk about have
having a uh minimal viableproduct and I went over because
they I I use tidycal I used touse Senfox they have a bunch of

(01:21:04):
built-in tools that were builtby App Sumo and so I was like
you know what it it can't bethat bad and so I bought their I
think it's called form robinyeah 19 bucks and I was like
okay but it's if you want a veryI mean this is like minimal
viable product to likeridiculous like I couldn't put a

(01:21:27):
logo on the form I could barelychange the colors and it worked
but I was like no when I canget more functionality from a
free service like why would Ipay and I know it's $19 for life
and yes they're gonna fix itbut I came over here and said
hey let me this is a free toolTally T A L L Y dot S O and

(01:21:52):
although I I need to fix thisbanner because it cut it off but
you know I was like I'm notpaying that 20 bucks for a
barely like minimal viableworking tool for for 19 bucks.
So I do not recognize I'm Ilike a lot of Absumo stuff and
here's the really cool thingthey say hey if you don't like
you know their product withinthe first 30 days well for me it

(01:22:14):
was like the first 30 minutes.
I went wait I can't do that andI turn around and said hey I
would like a refund and I wokeup this morning they're like hey
so sorry you didn't like thatthanks for the feedback and I
got my 19 bucks back.
So and then they said pleaseremember that it takes five to
whatever 10 business days to toget that and and speaking of

(01:22:34):
that topic I cannot stress thisenough if you have a problem
with any company reach out tothe company because I see a lot
of people on Reddit that saythings like hey man Spotify took
down my show which they say alot on Spotify there's a lot of
people getting flagged for musicthat they swear they have the

(01:22:56):
rights to like they boughtroyalty free music and it's
still like they took theepisodes down on Spotify which
is just a Spotify thing.
And I always say what didSpotify say when you approach
them and their answer is Ididn't I I just came here to see
if anybody else is having thiswell that's not going to what if
10 people said yeah it happenedto me too which is what

(01:23:17):
happened but it didn't reallyyou know fix their problem I go
go to the people that can fixthe problem Spotify or if you're
having a problem withcaptivator BuzzSprout or whoever
pod page you know don't go tosocial media because A so many
times I see people give ablatantly wrong answer because

(01:23:38):
they don't understand the basicmechanics of a podcast and
they're like no you just uploadit to Apple and I'm like that's
not really how that works.
So always reach out to thecompany that you have a problem
with and give them 24 hours.
I will say I was reallydisheartened with Red Circle

(01:23:58):
because I always say if you'regoing to use free use Red Circle
don't don't use Spotify.
And I went over because I haveone show on sp on Red Circle and
I noticed in Pocketcast that ithad my the the website it
listed in apps was to go to theRed Circle website.
I'm like no no so I went intoRed Circle I'm like I need to

(01:24:21):
add my website to that and youcouldn't do it and when I
realized and their help desksaid yeah you can't change this
it's you we're always going topoint people and I was like but
I'm paying you nine dollars amonth and so I emailed them
waited 24 hours got no responseand then it was bit it been like
a day and a half and I'm likehey hey just for the record

(01:24:43):
you're hijacking my brand andthat's a deal breaker.
Can't believe I can't changethis you know so thank you but
good night.
And oh by the way F you andanything that is even close to
your AI automated thing becauseit it only you know cheesed me
off even more and it took themthree days but they finally got

(01:25:04):
back and said we're so sorry.
Sorry for the delay and we'veupdated your show to show your
thing you're right that that'sdumb and then they had some
weird reason why they couldn'tdo it but maybe I need to give
people thirty six hours to replybut again when it's free even
though I'm paying a whoppingnine dollars a month so always

(01:25:25):
reach out to that.

So you say good good day sir good day.

I I that was you know I pretty much I it was a
sternly written letter.
I was really pissed because Ibecause I promote them all the
time I'm like look if you got todo free go red circle and then
I was like wait what so I needto now email that guy and say
can you clack like is thissomething I got because I
complained or are you guys goingto fix that because that's kind

(01:25:51):
of not cool because they maketheir money through those you
know 0.003 cents a download adswhich I've made I have the
logical weight loss podcast onthere and that still gets
because it's evergreen content.
And I think I made I don't knoweight dollars or something not
enough to pay for the hostingbut I actually made you know

(01:26:13):
more than 37 cents or somethinglike that.
So just a reminder no show nextweek I will be at Pod Indy.
If you're anywhere near podindie stop by and grab yourself
a ticket.
Jim what is coming up on I justrealized I talked for about 12
minutes and you haven't said apeep.

My apologies for that my back's hurting it's
fine.
I've been in the chat room I'vebeen helping them out in the
chat room it's absolutely fine.

We have Gavin Campbell this week he of course
is we we talked a little bit hegot a whole season on a segue uh
robot lawnmower so we spentsome time talking about that if
you're an un if you're an unraidguy there's been some updates
to unray that you might want tocheck out and then we talk a
little bit about local AIs andso just and it Gavin's a great
guy if you just want aninteresting conversation because

(01:26:59):
Gavin's interesting check itout today home gadget geeks.com
I saw a video remote controlledrobot snowblower and I was like
oh yeah I'm like I I would takethat over in that space yeah I
was like that we're talking$5,000 Dave they're yeah they
are that's the thing they'refive thousand dollars so you

(01:27:22):
gotta that's a lot of snowblowing yeah that's like I can
buy you can buy a lot of wintercoats for five grand yeah
exactly a lot of teenagers a lotof money to clear my driveway
for that kind of thing anywayswhat's coming up for you Dave I
am um because you know I like totalk about dead people um ace
freely died and um what whatkind of blew me away was how

(01:27:44):
much influence that guy hadbecause in my opinion when it
comes to lickety split like wowhow did that guy do that that's
not Ace Freely like I wasplaying his stuff when I was 12
not that he's bad he's just notum Zach Wilde Zach Wilde has
done things like 30 feet from meand I just go I have no idea

(01:28:06):
how he did that on a guitar butthis guy had a huge influence so
my point my one word sentenceof the show is you don't have to
be the biggest bet baddestwhatever in your genre to still
have influence um and there's awhole bunch of other lessons
about that and how he did somereally cool business stuff he
did some really bad businessstuff but uh so we'll be talking

(01:28:28):
ace freely and podcasting onthis week's um school of
podcasting so remember no shownext week we'll see you in two
weeks take care everybody

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