DDR 047 - Justin Nault - Don't Die Rusty Podcast

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Well, hello, Don't Die Rusty Nation.
I am here today with Justin Nault, and this is going to be quite a conversation because wethink similarly and we, you know, I like the out of the box thinking.
I like the in the box thinking and I like all kinds of thinking.
So this is going to be an interesting conversation and I hope you enjoy it.

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And to start out with, I'm going to let you introduce yourself, Justin, and then we'll getinto the conversation.
Yeah, man, I first things first, thank you for having me.
I appreciate the opportunity.
And yeah, my name is Justin Nault.
I'm a certified nutritional therapist.
I've been in the game of transforming people's lives for about a decade now.
And I think of myself as more of a philosopher first, but a lot of the work that I do isin metabolic health and transformation, helping people take back their health with a sort

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of anti-mainstream approach or an anti-diet approach and helping people reclaim theirhealth through the lens of abundance, nourishment, and self-love.
instead of punishment, restriction, and sacrifice.
So we're kind of flipping the whole thing on its head and helping people understand thatthe act of getting healthy doesn't have to suck and it actually never should suck.
It should be an enjoyable experience that changes your life for the better.

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And that's what I really enjoyed about, I mean, when in my research, because I think whenwe're at the perfect time to exactly talk about this too, because there are so many people
that are going to the gym or trying a new diet and they are punishing themselves.
And I think that's why they don't last is because you feel like it's a tour tortureactually, you know, it's, it's not, it's, it's terror over tactics we'll say.

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You know, mean, I don't want to, I live my life in the fact that I want to live it in kindof a meaty, you know, I don't want to overdo it, but I don't want to underdo it.
don't want to like, I'm not going to go, I'm not going to go eat just lettuce.

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We'll just say, I want to, I want to be in moderation.
We'll say, you know, understand what I'm saying.
But I do, I do believe in a lot of activity.
do a lot of active stuff.
do a lot of hiking.
I do a lot of, other activities to try to cleanse the mind and, and help the body.

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So in, in, in what I've, it's interesting because when I was listening to you, I mean, we,I don't know where you want to start with this because I have so many.
I'm out.
have so many things going through my head right at the moment, but you're, you're anentrepreneur first and then we'll get into this.

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And I love that energy you bring to yourself.
I've with the entrepreneurial ship, I would, I'm trying to delve into that myself.
And I think that's very cool.
And it was an interesting story.
Can we start?
I don't know if you want to talk about it, but
The reason you got into this was because of your niece, is that correct?

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Yeah, yeah.
Happy to talk about it, Yeah.
Can you tell our listeners your story?
Yeah, yeah, for sure.
The sort of condensed version, you know, I came at health and wellness through the lensthat most people do.
I hated my body.
I grew up in the 90s.
I was born in 86.
And I was the non politically correct term that we used back then was I was a fat kid.

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And I got picked on and I was chubby going into high school.
was like almost 200 pounds going into high school, you know, and I grew up watching on toSchwarzenegger and Sylvester Stallone.
So
Yep.
mind that the action movies, that was what a man is, you know, and I'm over here with likerolls in my belly and I hated my body.
at age 15, I jumped into no pain, no gain.
started lifting weights two hours a day, punishing my body, running on treadmills,everything.

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And then I got into the music industry as a career.
I started doing that professionally at 17 and then ended up going to school in Boston,moving down to Nashville.
In Nashville, was 300 shows a year.
I did a reality TV show on ABC by the time I was 25.
So I have all this insecurity and body image issues punishing myself to make my body looka certain way.
And I'm literally living under spotlights, which is just making whole process harder.

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know, I had the body dysmorphia followed me into my twenties.
And in my late twenties, I discovered the paleo diet and realized that if I really got ahandle on the nutrition piece, I didn't have to exercise so hard.
I'm just like melting body fat.
I was like, this is like a magic pill.
And I realized the power of nutrition through that.
And that was when as a hobby, just because I had spare time on my hands, my days were myown.

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I was only working at night.
I became a nutritional therapist.
I was like, I'm just going to teach myself nutrition.
I'm going to be my client.
I'm going to learn about epigenetics.
I'm going learn about the power of food, paleo diet, all these things.
And I'm going to transform my health.
And around that same time, my niece Savannah was born and she was having over 300 seizuresa day.
So she, within the first seven days of life was put straight into the pediatric ICU.

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and they gave her less than three years to live.
It was a really gnarly experience.
She was hooked up to all these machines.
They did over a million dollars in testing, trying to figure out what's going on.
And what people now know as the keto diet is actually a medical diet.
It's used in mainstream medicine to suppress epileptic seizures.
There's actually a whole foundation called the Charlie Foundation that teaches familieshow to adopt ketogenic lifestyles to keep seizures at bay in children who are epileptic.

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So.
When whenever child's having a seizure, and even if they're not diagnosed epileptic, theytry a keto diet.
Now, Savannah couldn't eat or drink.
So they drill a hole in her stomach and they give her something called a G tube and theyfeed her through a G tube.
And all pediatric ICU is have a ketogenic baby formula called keto cow.
And I knew just enough at this time as a nutritional therapist to be really annoying todoctors.

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And I'm looking at this keto cow stuff and I'm checking the ingredients and like it's highfat, low carb, which is technically ketogenic.
but it's mainstream medicine we're talking about.
So quality is not being considered here.
And the fat is all hydrogenated vegetable oils.
And there's artificial flavors and sweeteners.
All the vitamins that they're using are synthetic versions, some of which are not evenusable by the body.

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And I'm like, wait a second, this is going in the belly of a three week old baby.
Like, this is a problem.
And I brought it to the attention of the neurologist and he checked the ingredients,looked right at me and says, huh, I never thought to check that.
And that, my whole world changed, man.
It was like my cliche red pill moment in the matrix where I was like, okay, nobody'scoming to save us.

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This is a for-profit system.
They're poisoning my dying niece.
Like this is crazy.
And I don't think he was a bad guy.
I think he was trying to help.
He was just doing what his education taught him to do.
And that was when I started studying human biology, biochemistry, buying biology textbooksand teaching myself.
I made a baby formula for Savannah in my kitchen.
I dehydrated paleo superfoods and made a powder.

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cleared it with the neurologist to feed it to her in her feeding tube because it wasbetter than this toxic sludge they were giving her.
And then my entrepreneurial brain kicked in because I was on my way out of the musicindustry.
I was unfulfilled in the music industry at that point and I was kind of looking for anout.
And I'd read the four hour work week.
So I turned this formula that I made, I hired a food and beverage consulting company andturned it into a shelf stable product, released my first supplement and started selling it

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as a protein powder all in one superfood to CrossFitters.
And know, Savannah is 10 years old now.
launched the product that launched the powder itself, probably a little over eight yearsago.
And now we're here, you know, thousands of client transformations and 650,000 followersand people have Clovis tattoos on their skin, which is amazing.
Right.
It's like, I'm in this whole world now talking to you today, but that's, that's where itall kind of jumped off.

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Well, in that, in that is, I love when the odds get beat and that is very, very cool.
And you can see that and it's, it's interesting because I mean, this is only a partialbookcase here.
I'm looking at your bookcase behind you.
And that's where I love the educational part about things.
I love the philosophical things and stuff, but it's interesting to me because,

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When we talk about the food part, I'm wondering, I have to admit, I'm going to be 57 thisyear, okay.
But I don't know if, I think it's about every college.
I mean, every young person, you know, I mean, when you're young, you can live on MountainDew and jerky and whatever else you, but you don't think about this stuff.

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And now I get to my age that I am now and you're talking.
functional medicine more or less and and and I'm I'm thinking about hormones like You knowas you older, I'm thinking about food and I'm thinking about all that Junk I'm gonna say

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that all that junk that we have been eating because it's easy You know, I I grew up in aranch in Central South Dakota So, you know, I actually did eat a lot of Whole Foods
because you had meat and you had
lot of vegetables and stuff like that.
But it's to me when we get away from eating like that, eating the whole foods and webecome simple because it's easy to go the drive-through.

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It's easy to go pop in that thing in the microwave.
It's easy to do that.
And I'm not trying to live that long life just to live a long life.
I'm trying to live the long life that is also fulfilling.

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And, cause I do think there's people out there to just want to live a long life, butthat's why I love to go on adventures and stuff too.
But to get back to that, how do we, you, you learning this stuff, how do we do that whenwe travel?
How do we, how do you, cause I've, you, you've traveled the world and been in and seenmany

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shamans and other things and how did you keep your nutritional existence going at thattime?
Yeah, I mean, I tell people, you know, when you first come into my program, I'll give youan approved foods list.
And that food list has over 110 foods to choose from.
And health is truly this simple.
If it's on that list, eat it.
If it's not on that list, don't eat it.

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If you do that for the next three months of your life, your life will change.
If you do that for the next 12 months of your life, you will not recognize any aspect ofyour life at the end of that year.
That's how powerful food is.
Food versus poison.
Food is only good for you in any amount.
Poison is only bad for you in any amount.
So soon as we separate food from poison, all of the conventional diet rules go out thewindow.

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It's no longer about calories or any of this stuff, because you're actually nourishingyour body with food, which is the giver of life, right?
And when people see that list, it's usually very different from the way they're eatingnow.
It's not any more challenging or it's not harder to eat off that list.
It's just different.
It requires a different amount of intentionality.
So people will often say to me like, wow, I can't eat like this in my local area, blah,blah, blah, blah.

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And I know it's an excuse.
And I tell them I've eaten this way in over 20 countries around the world.
And if I go to a restaurant in Thailand, I ask them the same questions that I asked arestaurant in Austin, Texas.
When I'm working with a shaman in the mountains of Norway, I find a way to get local beef.
I just walk into and find a store or Google or whatever and find a place that serves farmto table.

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I can go get local red meat.
know, have a ceremony with a shaman and the next day I'm eating a local grass fed steakfrom Norway, you know, an Oslo or whatever, you can do this anywhere around the world.
It's just the intentionality of the thing.
Right?
It's like, once you shift to speak of philosophy, once you shift the lens through whichyou view reality, everything is different.

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It would be harder for me now to start eating at fast food joints and going through thedrive through.
It would be harder for me now my quality of life would decrease.
If I didn't go to the gym, my quality of life would decrease, be harder for me to not getsunshine on my skin every single day.
Right?
So I've adopted an identity that is this person that I am in the world, which allows me at38 years old to have, you know, natural testosterone levels of 850 and have a lean body

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and be physically strong and do martial arts and all the things and have the cognitivefunction to run three businesses.
Right?
I own two supplement companies and I own my coaching business and I have this thrivingcommunity and I'm here doing shows with people like you.
You know, I couldn't do that.
if I didn't fuel my body properly.
So for me, there's no way for me to go back the same way someone says, this Clovisprogram, you can only eat these 110 foods.

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like, first of all, who needs more variety than 110 foods?
And two, I'd like I have five pro metabolic daily habits, I asked things to ask people todo five things every day, non negotiable.
And if they do those things, their health will get better.
For me, in the beginning, it's new to them.
So their mind that starts to use words like this is hard, or this is what it's not hard.
It's just different.
You already have daily habits.

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They're just different than my daily habits.
And for me to go to your daily habits of an unhealthy, obese person with type 2 diabetesor something, me adopting their habits would be very, very difficult for me.
It would feel very strange.
So we're actually doing a full blown identity shift and we're changing people's normals.
So like my way of teaching the blueprint that I give you for healthy living becomes yournew normal.

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It's not a habit.
not something you have to work hard at.
You adopt it as your new normal.
And then from that place,
There's a belief that people have, right?
Like, I will be healthy when I lose 100 pounds.
That is a false belief.
It's a self-sabotage pattern.
The truth is you become a healthy person right now.
You make that decision the same way you flip a light switch on.
In an instant, I am now a healthy person.

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I will adopt the daily habits of a healthy person.
And three months from now, what I manifest, the way that my body manifests health, isgonna be that of a healthy person.
It has to be, because I've adopted the identity of a healthy person.
But it doesn't work the other way around.
And I like that you say that because it is that switch that turns on and you have todecide that this is going to affect my life for the rest of my life if I choose to do that

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because I Actually, it's interesting.
I would I in a podcast a last podcast.
I said, you know, we are born When we are born we sign that contract of life and we ownour life.
We aren't paying rent here
We have to own our own decisions and our own choices.

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And throughout life, we either make good decisions or we make bad decisions.
But it's to make that decision of where your life has to go.
And I have friends that are in law enforcement and, and this is a long time ago, but they,you know, I mean, we were talking, somehow we got on talking about meth and I said,

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I said, I do not know how anybody could ever put those substances in your body when youknow what meth is made out of.
I mean, I've never done a drug in my life except a prescription, of course, but you knowwhat I mean.
But where I'm going with that is, but then we turn around and look at the food that we areeating and why are we putting those in our system to make us feel chronically ill?

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In some aspects, mean, maybe we're feeling older than we should at the age as we are.
You know, I, you can correct me, but I, there was, you know, we're talking about, you weretalking earlier about some of the abys, abys, obesity in the United States, we'll say.

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And.
You know, for a hundred years ago, people were active because they had to be active.
because that's how life was more or less, you know, and now we have so many things thatare easy and I just, I don't know if it's the body functioning plus what we eat or
whatever, I'm, it's like things are transforming in my life cause it's not easy anymore.

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I, being fit was easy for me and now it's like, you have to work at it, but I still wantto feel good.
I want to.
Eat right.
want to have my body moving and then that's where I feel good myself and I understand whatyou say if when you said I Don't if you change to going to McDonald's every day You can't

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do that because that's not who you are
Mm-hmm.
Yeah.
so, so I'm just, I look at, I'm starting to get a, I look at things, cause I've beenaround enough people that take so many prescriptions because they're getting older.

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And I just see, it just aggravates me sometimes, or it makes me start thinking, but I,cause I'm not going to argue with anybody about.
who they are, but in that aspect, those are your choices you're making.
But I see the food, then I see the prescription, then I see you go to the doctor who does,it's one big circle anymore instead of trying to make them better.

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And I was listening to a podcast with Casey Means, and I did not know that a, I didn'tknow that a surgeon didn't have to do nutritional classes.
Right?
MDs don't as well.
You know, some MDs may get four hours of nutrition education credits in all of medicalschool.
Some may get 20 hours, but still, it's like you go, I have 300 podcast episodes.

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Go listen to 300 episodes of my podcast and you'll know more about nutrition than adoctor.
It's astonishing.
amazing.
It's amazing to me because I look at, I want to start, we have to start at the root of theproblem.
And that's the root.
If I need surgery someday because of, and I'll tell you something here, and I talked toone of my friends, he's a doctor, and I'm on no prescription, I mean,

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I have not, I don't have any of these at my age and I'm proud of that fact because I lookat so many people that have high blood pressure, have whatever signs of diabetes or
whatever else.
And I am happy that why don't you, and I'm not saying put myself on a pedestal, but I'msaying, you know what, if you stay active and you kind of moderate what you eat.

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then maybe you can be healthy in some aspects.
You know what I mean?
And now I'm trying to look at, I'm looking at like eating, looking at what the ingredientsare.
Go ahead.
it's the most important piece of the puzzle.
You know, I tell people too, like I have a walking billboard for the things that I do andthat is my father.

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You my dad's 65 years old.
He's been following my nutrition and fitness advice for about 10 years now.
And he is on zero medications.
He has six pack abs year round.
He dead lifts 315 pounds and he spends most of his free time on a boat with his grandkids.
He's got all the energy in the world, you know.
Yeah.
the average American meanwhile like crosses the age of 50.

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The average 50 something year old person in America is on 12 prescription medications.
That's the norm.
That's average.
Right?
So when you look at it like that, like, but this goes back to the real real root cause.
mean, the root cause of the food system in America is corruption.
And we can get into the history of that and where the ultra processed food system comesfrom.

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But to go back, I want to touch on what you said about meth, because this is reallyimportant, right?
The question of how can someone put meth in their body when we know what meth does andwe've seen the before and after pictures and we know what's going on there.
The only way that happens is if you have a tremendously low self-worth and tremendouslylow self-love where you literally think your life doesn't matter.

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That's the only way that decision gets made.
So when people first come to me for health and wellness advice,
They think I'm crazy because the first thing I have them do is stand in a mirror, lookthemselves in the eyes and say, love you, 10 times out loud and really try to mean it.
We're gonna start with self-love because if we don't start there, if we start withself-love and food versus poison, then it's a different lens we're looking at it through

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because if someone's drinking 10 Pepsi colas a day and I come along and say, hey, listen,let's cut out the Pepsi, in their victim hood mind,
They're gonna go, this isn't fair.
Here's another nutritional therapist who's telling me I can't have my favorite thing.
This sucks, getting healthy sucks.
Or we give them a different lens to view it, which is this is toxic poison and I lovemyself so much that I would never make the decision to knowingly poison myself.

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And that is a tremendously profound difference in whether I'm taking away my favorite foodthrough restriction and this sucks or I love myself.
So I'm only gonna nourish my body with the best.
It's a big, difference.
And I agree with that because I believe in confidence, you know, in yourself, notarrogance, confidence.

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cause I don't, I believe, and I've said this before, but I believe that being confidentwithin yourself is helps you get through those hard parts in life because, but I don't
want to be arrogant and tell you that I'm so confident with myself that I'm good ateverything.
If you understand what I'm in cause

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Nothing is easy.
Nothing is easy.
But I like the way you said when you take away the poison instead of this thing thathere's where, and we can go into the food part is because the problem with the food part,
I think is it's addicting and it tastes good.

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And it's so easy to fall into those things because they're sweet or they're
whatever they are that addict us to those things.
And it's hard then to get off.
I think some of it's harder than cigarettes.

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And I don't smoke either, but I would just think some of those things are hard becauseeverybody, you go to a...
business function or something in those simple things, those simple foods are right therein front of you and everybody else is eating them.

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And sometimes if we aren't confident in ourselves, we subdue to the peer pressure.
And then we fall back into that because we subdued into the peer pressure.
Now, now I can go back to eating five donuts a day.
Yeah.
Well, I mean, dude, you opened an amazing little rabbit hole here because a lot of peopledon't realize this, but in the 1980s, Philip Morris was and is the biggest cigarette

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company in the world.
And they got hit with a lawsuit and the US came out and said, hey, a couple things, buddy,you can no longer market these products to children.
You can't market cigarettes to children anymore.
And two, you have to tell the world
that your product causes cancer.
have to tell people cigarettes cause cancer.
Both of those things are tremendously bad for profit.

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Right?
So what Philip Morris did was they bought 80 % of the food companies.
And what they did was they hired food scientists to start manufacturing and engineeringthe most addictive foods they could possibly make.
So there are positions within big food companies that are multiple six-figure salariesthat are food engineers whose only job

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is to manufacture new hyper palatable foods, which are as addicting as possible.
There is literal science going into how much the nacho cheese on the Doritos sticks toyour fingers.
So you're tempted to lick your fingers and go in for more.
This is carefully designed.
They're hijacking your hypothalamus.
They're literally hijacking your biology.
So your statement about some of these foods are as addicting as cigarettes, 100 % it's thesame people behind cigarettes that are behind our food system.

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And you travel back in time to the activity piece of like, there's a document that I lovecalled the 1939 Yearbook of Agriculture.
And this was studying the nutritional intake of Americans living in New York City at thattime in 1939.
The average 155 pound man was eating over 4,200 calories a day.
Zero obesity, zero type two diabetes, zero heart disease, right?

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So is it really that we have a calories problem or do we have a food quality problem?
And to me, the answer is abundantly clear.
It's just that there are trillions of dollars at stake and trillions of dollars inmarketing propaganda from the time where kids in school with the government and teachers
telling us what to eat.
That is purposefully poisoning us for profit.

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The system is designed that.
And it's funny because I mean, I just see, I don't know how to go about this, butlobbyists or whoever is doing some of these scientific studies, and then you look at who

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is paying for these scientific studies.
And it's interesting to me that people don't see that they might be slightly skewed.
You know?
Coca-Cola is one of the biggest funders of the American Diabetes Association.
How how do we live in a world where that is okay, you know, and not only that but peoplestarted catching on we're like Okay, these food companies are funding a lot of scientific

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studies and some people like me get on the internet We tell people you get to check who'sfunding the study.
There's conflict of interest here So what they started doing is like my favorite exampleof this is there's a an organization.
It's a nonprofit Called ILSI which is the International Life Sciences Institute.
And if you look up ILSI they're like
We fund nutritional studies for the betterment of mankind and we're a nonprofit 501c3International Life Sciences Institute.

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Then you look up who owns that nonprofit.
It is all food companies.
It's Kraft, Kellogg's, Post, Red Bull, right?
They all got together.
They start a nonprofit with a warm fuzzy name and then they fund the nutritional studiesthrough that warm fuzzy name so nobody is the wiser that food companies are still the
puppet masters behind the scenes.
It's a very, very corrupt system.

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Yes.
And it's funny because I told you my age and I remember Marlboro being advertised on TVand, and, you know, all that other, you know, the, the Marlboro man and those
advertisements.
now I see, pharmaceuticals, it drives me nuts because I do not think we would have

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mainstream TV, if we didn't have pharmaceuticals paying for all the advertisements inbetween the shows.
that bothers me personally because, and my wife, she, she agrees with me, I think, butit's, it's interesting because how a pharmaceutical company, then you go to the, like, I'm

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not me, but
I go to the doctor and say, you know what?
I just saw that pharmaceutical on TV.
Can you prescribe that to me?
That just seems, that seems stupid to me.
It's like hypocritical.
And it seems like I understand the marketing part, but I just don't understand how we as asociety have let that be run like that in that aspect of letting these.

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I understand.
I have no problem with a capitalist society at all, but that just seems like you'rehurting these people because you want to have them have more prescriptions.
We're ruining our society's health in that aspect.
I, I won't ever, I personally would never go do an ozempic.

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I can figure out that I can go hike a mountain and I can look at my,
the way I eat and fix that through functional things.
Not, I don't have to go to the doctor and say, you know what, can I have the quick, easyway of not gaining weight or losing weight or whatever I need to do.

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And it's not the weight that's your problem.
It's your mental, like you said before, the confidence is your problem.
And to me, because I, how many people do we see, and you probably have clients even,
that may have lost all this weight and then they gain it back because there's really nochange in lifestyle.

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Yes, exactly.
This is why especially for low calorie diets, like we have studies now that show lowcalorie dieting, people who lose the weight, 95 % of those dieters gain it all back within
five years.
And many of them gain more weight than what they initially lost.
And we're seeing the same thing happen now.
There are studies coming out and all these people coming out who are now GLP-1 resistant,right?

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Ozempix, hemaglutide, all these things, where these drugs just don't work on them anymorebecause it's the same thing as if you're doing constant calorie restriction.
You're down regulating your metabolism, you're starving your cells, you're ending up in alow energy state, which is horrible for health and wellness, and eventually you have to
bounce back.
Your lizard brain is gonna say, don't have enough to survive, and then if you have a housefull of ultra processed junk food, you're gonna eat, because your lizard brain's like, yo,

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we're dying, we're not eating enough, and then no amount of willpower is gonna shut yourbody's survival mechanism off.
You're gonna go to the pantry, you're gonna finish the bag of chips, you're gonna drinkthe Coca-Cola, whatever, right?
So you have to place yourself in an environment where those things just don't exist.
You have to make the identity shift.
And I actually agree with you there because I have to admit, I'm at times, you can, I canadmit to the changing, but I was an ice creamaholic.

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And if it's not in the house, you don't eat it.
It makes it easy.
And I think if you want to have some, and I don't,
disagree in maybe occasionally if I want some I can go have some but here's where I'mgoing with that if it's not in the house it's not an everyday thing and I'm not addicted

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to it it's kind of like anything for me personally it's occasionally maybe but not everynight I'm not drinking a half a gallon of ice cream a night or whatever you know what I
mean and and I don't that's where I agree that
I mean, to, to researching, to talk to you was very interesting because when you weretalking about, I listened to you were talking about seed oils and, I got, was looking at

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myself because once again, the seed oils made things taste a little bit better, but Ididn't understand the health effects that like having a real
butter we'll say or real food.
And that has, I mean, in the probably last six months, well, maybe year we'll say.

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My wife is very hippy-ish, so I can say longer than that probably.
She's changing me to the better.
Because like I said, there came a time where things were simple and I could stay veryhealthy and active.
But now just, you just start getting a little older and you don't realize what those foodswould like you.

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And you talk about energy, like they take away my energy.
They aren't fulfilling my energy needs in my life.
And, and, and, and it's interesting because I'm, know I'm going all over the board here,but you were talking about your dad at 65.
My dad's at 81.

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And he walks three miles a day and four miles on Sunday.
And if, if he lives in a little town and if you want to know what's going on early in themorning, cause he gets up every day and does this.
If he's at home, of course, but it's where, and in the, he grew, where he lives.

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When I was living in that area, it's if you're doing something healthy,
Why are you doing it?
And if you're out exercising, who's chasing you?
Yeah.
You know, there's no need to do that stuff.
And I like where we're going with this is what I'm saying.
I like that.
May talking to people like you has.

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And learning about this stuff, the seed oils and stuff, making me better.
Cause I could you maybe talk to a few people about the seed oil thing, because it is veryinteresting to me how you're talking about like.
I was listening to one where you're talking about the dam and it had a little hole in it.
And I would love for people to hear that.

(34:07):
Sure, yeah, yeah.
So a couple things.
One, we can talk about kind of like Philip Morris and cigarette companies.
Procter & Gamble is responsible for introducing seed oils to the US.
So in the early 1900s, Procter & Gamble had this waste product, an industrial wasteproduct in their hands that was cottonseed oil.
They had tons and tons of cottonseed oil, and they had the idea of what if we could putthis into products and start to sell it to consumers?

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Can we make this an ingestible product?
And this is where things like Crisco came to be, which is just like pure hydrogenatedvegetable oils.
The first Crisco was cottonseed oil.
Now, the best way to do that, to get somebody to eat a truly new and novel food, is tohijack science.
So they did the same thing that food companies did today.
They went to the American Heart Association, which was a tiny little organization thatcouldn't get funding for their studies, and they paid them a million dollars.

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That's the equivalent of $27 million today, by the way, in today's dollars.
And they paid them a million dollars.
to say demonize animal fats, butter, tallow, whole milk, all these things.
Demonize animal fats and say that these polyunsaturated fats, these seed oils, are betterfor human health.
Before you knew it, seed oils were in everything, and they have been ever since.
So again, it's just like Philip Morris with the hyperpalatable foods.

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That's where this stuff comes from, and that's important to know.
And then you get into the situation of what's actually happening at the level of the cell.
Now, to spare your audience a literal lesson in biochemistry with
words that don't make sense, right?
It's like what we're talking about is the phospholipid membrane and moving hydrogen ionsacross the phospholipid membrane to create something called ATP, which is the energy

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currency of the cells, right?
So that's all the nerdy biochemistry out of the way.
Basically what's happening is if you think about like a hydraulic dam or whatever, likethe Hoover dam, let's say.
So we have this dam with a tremendous amount of potential energy that is the waterpressing up against the dam.
We want to focus that energy through one specific
slot in the dam that is turning wheels or it's moving things in a way that pressure thatenergy focused on that one place is generating a ton of energy.

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So these dams can power a whole city grid, right?
But only if the amount of energy getting forced through that channel is as powerful as itis.
So if we took a dam and we took a giant drill and we just drilled thousands of holes inthe dam where water could rush out from all these different holes that aren't producing
any energy at all.

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That's what's happening at the level of the cell.
We need very, very strong phospholipid membranes to create energy.
We're humans, we're animals.
So those membranes are supposed to be made from animal fats.
These are saturated fats.
This is like your butter, your tallow, whole eggs, whole milk, right?
These kinds of things.
When we make those kind of cellular dams out of seed oils, they become permeable.

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It's like they have thousand holes in them and you're wasting energy.
And wasting energy is the equivalent of rapid aging.
So to going back to what you said, we circle way back to the beginning of theconversation.
We were like, when I was a kid, I can live on Mountain Dew and pizza.
And I felt great.
Right.
It's because your cells are young.
Their, their ability to regenerate themselves is fantastic.

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Now over time, just like if you put a small investment in the stock market a hundred yearsago, right.
And you just leave it compounding interest, things get better and better and better andbetter.
The constant poison load on the cells.
throughout all of our lives is like compounding interest in the negative direction.
It's exponential damage over and over and over.
And as you age, your cells lose their ability to regenerate and recover from the poisoningthat you're doing to your system.

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So we're literally aging faster than we should be.
And now like for the last few in the last three years, the life expectancy has gone downthree years in a row in the US, we have the worst health outcomes in the world.
And we spend the most money on health care.
It's I mean, it's a completely broken system like it literally needs to be uprooted andstarted from scratch.
It's a colossal failure.

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And I truly believe that because I think there's a medical establishment that wants tojust keep on, not fix the problem, but keep the motor running, we'll just say.
Change the oil, keep things running, but don't fix it if it breaks down.
You just kind of duct tape and bail and wire kind of thing together, you know what I mean?

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But I have to, it's in,
To me, when we forget the meat fat part of life and how it also helped in brain function,you know, and do you, I think that's somewhat of our, our, we're, you know, everybody is

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looking for nootropics, they're looking for how to focus, they're looking, and do youthink that...
because we've taken that out of our society for, know, we can say 80 years, just about 100years now.
I mean, making it an important thing is, are we changing as a species?

(39:16):
Yeah, yeah, 100%.
And to what you're speaking to, like the saturated fat, what we call animal, there areplant saturated fats as well, like coconut oil is a super healthy saturated fat product,
But the saturated fat is a huge deal for all cellular function.
This is true everywhere, including your brain, your neurons, all these things that need tofunction optimally for high cognitive function.
But my favorite example of this, the most important thing to talk about, is when I saythe, I use this term low energy state.

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When we have a low energy state in the body,
And this is why all obese people are dealing with a low energy state.
We tell them they have too much energy, which is completely incorrect.
They don't have enough energy because they're malnourished.
So they have low energy symptoms.
You never meet an obese person who's like, I'm so energetic and I feel amazing all thetime and my libido is high and I love going to the gym, right?
It's like, no, I feel tired all the time.

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I have low energy.
I'm cold all the time.
I have low libido.
My hair is thinning or falling out.
My teeth are sensitive.
All these low energy symptoms, right?
So what's happening with the cognitive function that you're talking about and we know thisthrough in mental health for depressed and anxious subjects in clinical studies When we
measure ATP output the energy being produced by the body in clinical studies depressed andanxious subjects generate 20 % less energy than non depressed and anxious subjects So we

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actually are dealing with an energy problem, which goes back to me saying food is onlygood for you in any amount
The more food, the better.
Poison is bad for you in any amount.
The less poison, the better, right?
Like it's that fundamental.
If we're nourishing our body with species appropriate whole foods from nature that belongin our system, we have plenty of energy, we create plenty of ATP, we're not depressed,

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we're not anxious, we don't suffer from mental health disorders, and our cognitivefunction is better.
We don't need nootropics to get through the day.
And we get in which it keeps on going in that circle.
Cause when you're depressed and people go eat and they go do other things to try to pickup that, pick up that energy, pick up that their, their mental health and try to be more

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happy and happiness.
And that's where we need to learn.
like what you said too, when you, in the beginning too, is by putting people in front of amirror and saying,
tell yourself that you love yourself and be confident in yourself because, know, I mean,I've listened, I've just about, behind me I have, I think every book the Dalai Lama has

(41:48):
ever wrote and I believe that for us to keep on changing, we...
need to find where joy comes from, not just happiness, not just that sudden reaction ofthat tastes good, you know, but to find the joy is to have a good life, to enjoy what your

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whole body and whole life is.
And I think we lose that because we are depressed, we are
searching for that energy.
We don't want to eat.
We don't want, you know, the right stuff.
We don't want to, we don't want to go for that walk and get the fresh air.
We don't want to get the sunshine on us because I think there's a lot of things out therethat we have been told not to do that are healthy.

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And I think we need to start learning that yes, sun gives you skin cancer, but you needsun to also,
you have energy, you know, in
is is the closest thing to a magic pill I've ever found for health and wellness I meanhe's right up there with food It's like I'm honestly like I try depends It's the winter

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time here in Austin, but I still get son every day like in the the spring and summermonths and fall months Like I'm getting hours of sunshine a day.
I get it's critically important
Yeah.
And I'm here in South Dakota.
So, and then it's also cold.
And I, it's funny that it's funny.
We're talking about this because I, my, stepson, moved to Anchorage, Alaska, and we wentup there for Christmas.

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And then it was, it was cloudy.
We never got a good, good day of sunshine, we'll say.
And I could never get out of that.
Mentally, I could never get out of it was dark all the time.
It was then it was dark, even though it was daylight.
was light.

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was dark.
And I just could never get the energy flowing because of the sun.
Then we fly back in to South Dakota and there's sunshine there and we get three extrahours of sunlight.
And my mental, my mental, mental life changed right there in the aspect of.

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Now I'm starting to feel better.
I'm getting more energy.
And of course, I have to admit, you know, I didn't eat the best I should have ate, but itwas one of those things that the sun and everything else just drags you down if you don't
have it.
Totally.
Yeah.
And again, it takes us back to the myth and what decisions are making.

(44:35):
It's like if you're depressed and feeling low or feeling just like lethargic or whatever,then like the idea of making good healthy choices, it seems, the perception of it is that
it's much, much harder.
And it's kind of like, well, what's the point?
I don't feel great anyway.
Everything kind of sucks, you know?
And you get stuck in that.
It's this kind of learn helplessness, victimhood mentality.

(44:55):
Yeah.
And so do you, do you go look into any of the hormonal stuff for like for men or anythingin your Clovis or, or wherever else you're going coaching?
absolutely.
I just look at it through a different lens than everybody else, right?
So like, again, the mainstream answer is like, you have low testosterone, here's sometestosterone cream, or here's an injection, and let's artificially raise that level,

(45:23):
right?
Which is not solving the root problem.
It's like putting a Band-Aid on a bullet wound.
No, this will heal itself, right?
That what's happening is my primary focus is human metabolism.
Hormones are downstream of human metabolism.
Right, if you picture a river, there's upstream and everything upstream is runningdownstream.
Your metabolism is responsible for the production of hormones in your body.

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So trying to fix hormones without fixing metabolism is a losing battle no matter what,guaranteed.
So men will often hear this, like, well if you go on testosterone you have to stay on itfor the rest of your life.
That's not true.
It's just that your body is in an environment that...
supports low testosterone, you're eating crappy food, you're not exercising, not gettingsunshine, whatever, so you're in a low testosterone state.

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Then we pump you full of testosterone cream or injections or whatever, and you just keepliving your life the same way.
You're still living life in a way that doesn't support testosterone, but now you haveexogenous testosterone that's artificially spiking your numbers.
So if we take you off that exogenous hormone, you're just going back to your lifestyle,which is why you had low testosterone in the first place.

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So your testosterone levels dip down again, and then people say, see, look, I have to beon testosterone for the rest of my life.
It's not true.
So when I work with men, even when I do hormone replacement therapy in men, which I havedone for many of men and we work with doctors, I have a full team.
If you guys want a full stack team of doctors and performance coaches, strength andconditioning coaches, I'm partnered with a company called Own It, and we can literally set

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you up for that.
But if you do hormone replacement therapy, we're also...
going to change your health and wellness.
We're gonna clean up the diet, you're gonna get sunshine, you're gonna exercise, all thesethings that support testosterone, bring your metabolism back to life so it can create its
own testosterone, and eventually we can wean you off the testosterone and your levels stayat a normal, healthy level.
But we have to attack it from both angles.

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You can't just pretend this testosterone cream is gonna change your life, you know?
I do because I believe exactly what you're saying because you can't, it's like everybodywants a magic pill and it's more than a magic pill.
It's more than a cream.
more, it's the food, it's the exercise, the sun.

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And in trying to get to that level of hormonal treatment, if you need it to keep itflowing, because that's where we all need to go.
And I agree with you 100 % because of that.
It's just interesting to me because it's becoming more and more, I see it more and moreout in reading articles and books and in men.

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It's been a little bit more in females, but it's interesting to me because my wife,
She, says she does a lot of reading and stuff.
And, know, there's another situation where our doctors don't learn a lot about hormonaltreatment either functional medicine.

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just do not have to.
It's about everything else, but not that it's just how to, and I think it's interestingthat we live in a society that isn't looking at the holistic and every
all sides of the story, you know, cause we have, we have people that know a lot of stuffthat aren't doctors, you know, so it's very cool with me and I just, I'm trying to learn

(49:02):
and I'm looking, that's why it's so interesting to be able to talk to you and learn every,every conversation I have.
I'm, I'll leave this tonight, like saying,
And I'll go, and you give me a conversation to help build my relationship with my wife,because then I can go say, you're gonna guess what I just talked about today.
So, but I would like you to tell, I mean, if you want to, you like to tell some peopleabout what you do, the Clovis part or anything like that, that just let people know how to

(49:35):
reach you and do stuff like that too?
Yeah, yeah, of course.
So I run everything through social media.
The whole business is run there.
I have a supplement company called Clovis.
That's imclovis.com.
I have a supplement company called MedChoice, M-E-D-C-H-O-I-C-E on Amazon.
And then I have my coaching programs.
So I run everything for my coaching and my metabolic health coaching, everything that Ido.

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You can go to any of my social media accounts.
The handle's the same.
It's at justinaltofficial.
So for instance, if you hear this conversation, you go to Instagram, JustinAltOfficial,click the follow button, send me a message, you're get me directly.
It's not a member of a team or whatever, it's just me.
Just message me and say, hey, I you're on this podcast, I'm interested in your foods list.
I'll send you the foods list for free.
I'm interested in your daily me or work.

(50:18):
I'll send you the daily me or work for free, right?
I'm just gonna ask you questions, what are you going through, how can I help you?
Here's some free resources.
If you wanna work with me, you can hire me for private coaching.
I have group coaching programs, online courses, and they are...
incredibly transformative as you may have heard from this conversation.
It's just a holistic approach to helping you live your very best life.

(50:39):
And you know, that's what got me very interested in and is looking at your social media.
To see people that change and to see the positiveness and everything that you put outthere is just amazing to me.

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I just love.
That's where I like to go with this.
And that's what Don't Die Rusty is about.
Like I said, it's about wearing out, not rusting out.
And that's about living your life to the fullest.
that's where I like, that's where I keep on telling you.
If I can eat better, if I can have different movements that might enhance my life, that'swhat it's about.

(51:29):
so, but I heard, so what did you?
I'm going to go way off track here now just to, cause it interests me that you were inNashville and you, you played like, what, what, what did you do in Nashville then for what
was your band?
Really?
all under my name, just JustinAlt first and last name.

(51:50):
If you Google me or YouTube me, you're still gonna get a ton of music.
You can go to my JustinAlt music channel.
I got music videos.
My music is in TV shows, it's in movies, all sorts of stuff.
So yeah, man, I was performing 300 nights a year for 15 years.
was a long, long and fantastic career.
I had a great time.

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But how did 300 nights a year, how did that affect you?
mean, that's a lot of nights.
Yeah.
Yeah.
had to go on a health and wellness because all I understood was fitness.
I am masochistic about fitness, man.
I was for a long time because like I told you, I grew up hating my body.
So man, like I was a boxer.
I'm a purple belt in jujitsu.
I was doing CrossFit two a days.

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I worked with an Olympian to learn Olympic lifting.
I worked with the Strong First founders to learn how to swing kettlebells.
I was running Tough Mudder races.
I was doing everything, right?
I just was like fitness, fitness, fitness, but I didn't understand the nutrition piece.
So no matter how hard I worked, my body didn't look the way that I wanted it to work.
And then I'm basically working night shift.
Like I'm going to work at nine o'clock at night and I'm going to bed at six o'clock in themorning, right?

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Last calls at three AM.
So I'm getting off stage at three AM and then getting myself home, eating a meal, tryingto decompress a little bit.
It's six AM before I go to bed, which is a horrible way to, live your life.
Like there's, there's not many bigger obstacles than like graveyard shift work formetabolic health.
It's really not good for you.
So it was destroying my health, man.
Like in my late 20s, I had the testosterone levels of a 75 year old man.

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My testosterone dipped into the two 50s.
Like right now I'm 38, I'm not on any hormone replacement therapy and I'm naturally mytestosterone is 850.
I'm way healthier now than I was as a 26 year old man with a TV show that everybodythought was uber successful.
know, I was just like, was at my mental health was poor.
I was drinking a lot.
Like it was, it was not a good way to be.
It was killing me.

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And, and well, and in that aspect right there, it's the inspiration that you were there.
You lived what people here's the, here's the interesting thing is the perception thatpeople look at people as successful and within their selves, they don't feel aren't being

(53:57):
fulfilled by the success.
So they, and then for you to see yourself.
And to also have your niece's situation too.
But for you to see yourself and then start transforming yourself and learning about thehealth and learning about the nutrition and learning about everything else.

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When people say that you can't do that, then you, you say, no, you can cause I did it.
Yeah, Well, you know, the way I like to share this just to make it more relatable, right?
It's like I'm not here as some, you know, guru on high who all the answers were magicallydownloaded into my brain because I did ayahuasca and now I can tell you the thing.

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It's like, no, this is a 20 year journey of self love and me realizing that from the timeI was a little boy, I got messages from media programming that Arnold Schwarzenegger was
the best way to look and I didn't look like that.
Therefore,
I was not a man or I was not as important as Arnold or whatever it is, right?
So like I had all this negative self-talk and my music career actually really amplifiedthat in my mind because I have to show up in a certain way every night.

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Everybody already has an idea of what I am and I have to show up as this big, bright,shiny rock star every night and it was just a prison cell of inauthenticity.
Like I just, couldn't connect with people and that's what people don't realize aboutcelebrity, about...
being a performer or whatever is like you're up there every night no matter what's goingon in your life, you're the bringer of the party, you're bringing all this energy and
people are getting this energy from you.

(55:35):
Like it's just performative, I was performing all the time.
I wasn't actually connecting with people in an intimate and authentic way, I was justplaying make believe all the time.
And I never thought that I was good enough.
So the only reason why I start on my programs with self love is because self love was thebiggest unlock for me in my personal life.
I had to go on a journey of self love.
And for me, I had to travel around the freaking world and be throwing up in tents withshamans after drinking ayahuasca.

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And like, you don't need to do that.
You can if you want to.
It's one path to go.
It's the path that I had to go down, you know, to get to where I am today.
But I'm trying to save people a lot of these steps and like, hey, I'm taking my 20 yearjourney of self love and optimal health and wellness and I'm condensing it and I'm giving
you these 90 day programs and I'm saying, hey, if you do these simple things every day,you can get healthy a lot faster than I got health.

(56:23):
I can shortcut this for you and you can just learn from my mistakes and my, myachievements, right?
Yeah, because it's interesting.
It took me a little bit longer to figure out that I, health wise, you know, I feelfulfilled in a lot of things I've done, but I don't feel fulfilled in like, in my health

(56:49):
journey yet.
And I'm learning, like I said, in the last probably three or four years, I have
started eating way different and looking at more stuff, looking at the cartons of things.
And, and I think that health journey is a different for everybody else.

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mean, I'm people.
And how do you like people come to me and say, I'm a, I'm a, I'm a big Solomon speedcross.
That's the only shoes I love to wear.
Okay.
And, and, and, but
Where I'm going with this is...
How do you, but they're good for me.

(57:35):
I love those shoes, but they may not be good for you.
And how do you handle people that say, know what, this is good for me, it can be good foryou, but I think you need to try it.
Do you understand what I'm saying?
How do you handle those people that are talking to you about this stuff?

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Yeah, I the biggest thing is, I think there's a lot of messaging in health and wellnesstoday around bio-individuality, where it's just like, not everyone is the same, and
different diets work for different people and all this stuff.
I actually think that's mostly nonsense.
You know, it's a controversial opinion that I have, but it's like, human biology is humanbiology.
Human biochemistry is human biochemistry.

(58:20):
It's like, there are things that are gonna help your cells create energy, and there arethings that are gonna disrupt your body's ability to create energy.
Right?
And then there's two different branches.
One is very, very good for your health.
And one is a very terrible outcome that leads to chronic disease.
Right?
So the basics of like the pro metabolic daily habits that we have, those are very basic.
They're going to make everybody feel better.
And if they don't make everybody feel better, every single thing that I do carries a 100 %satisfaction, money back guarantee.

(58:45):
If you try this and it doesn't make you feel better, I'll give you your money back and youcan find the next thing that works for you.
But I don't get refunds.
People don't ask for refunds.
People don't ask for their money back because this stuff works.
Now,
in terms of what your show is about and all these things like your authentic best lifeThat's going to be individual to you how your cells work.
That's human biology We reproduce we have DNA and RNA we make babies and we're all thesame thing We're the same species the things are generally the same in terms of and

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wellness But when it comes to your overall happiness, what kind of shoes are your favoriteshoes?
What kind of workout do you like to do yoga?
Do you like to lift weights?
Do you like to go hiking or do you like to rock?
Right.
Like what is the thing that you like to do?
I love jujitsu
Some people go roll jujitsu, they hate it.
I never want to do this again, right?
But what we have to do is we have to handle the foundation of health and wellness.
I always say this, for nearly no one on the planet is health and wellness a goal.

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Health and wellness should be a given.
It's autopilot.
So we remove the obstacle of health and wellness by putting all this stuff on autopilotand living a healthy life so that you can go out and you can discover what makes you
happy, what fills you with joy.
How do you like to spend your life?
Rick likes to adventure in one way, Jane from down the street, she likes to adventure indifferent way.

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But when someone's health and wellness is trash and they're full of chronic healthconditions and they're taking 15 pills a day, they don't get to choose what kind of
adventures they want to go on.
The only thing they get to focus on is the fact that they're suffering and their health ispoor every day and it's limiting them in their life.
So we have to remove that obstacle with the basics of human biology.

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And then from there, we can talk about individuality.
What do you want to do that makes you happy?
You want to be a poet?
You want to play guitar?
You want to roll jiu-jitsu?
You want to climb mountains?
What do want to do?
You can do whatever you want to do.
It's a video game.
You know, that's what we want to get to.
Well, that is very well said.
And I, I, I agree with you 100 % because we have to start at the foundation of anythingand then build up and, and decide, like you said, if I want to climb a mountain, I go

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climb a mountain.
If you want to go roll jiu jitsu, you can go roll jiu jitsu and whatever.
That's where the joy comes into our life.
But we got, I do believe we're all humans and
molecularly, we are all the same in those aspects of needing those nourishing foods orthings in our life that will keep us fulfilled in body and mind.

(01:01:11):
and I'm, I know you're a busy person, so I'm going to, I always ask one last questionbefore we get done.
And, and before I ask this question, I want to tell everybody.
I'll have all of Justin's information in the show notes and, and we'll, where you cancontact them if you want to.

(01:01:32):
And I hope you do, because this is very, this has been a very interesting conversation andvery, uplifting.
But when we get to the end of the, don't die rusty, episode, I ask people, what's the goodlife to Justin?

(01:01:52):
Good life to Justin Nault is freedom and autonomy, man.
Mostly time freedom, right?
It's like if I structure my life in a way which I've done, which I'm very happy with, is Istructure my life in a way where my time is my own.
Nobody gets to tell me where I need to be, where I gotta go, how many hours I gotta work,how much money I can get paid, what my health and wellness is gonna be, what pills I have

(01:02:15):
to take.
Nobody tells me any of that.
I build life on my own terms.
I have ultimate freedom and autonomy.
Well, I, nobody's ever said that, but that is very, very good because, because you got methinking and, I, it just, you just threw me for a loop right here in the fact that the

(01:02:35):
freedom and autonomy is we have more freedom if we don't have to worry about thoseprescriptions and we have more freedom if we don't have to worry about all that stuff that
we can't go do because we have
those limitations of because of what we are eating or what we're taking for prescriptions.

(01:02:59):
So that one just, I never thought about it in those terms until you just said that.
So see, I learned something every day.
So.
It's exactly that, If you're poisoning yourself and you're dealing with chronic healthconditions and you have to take prescription medications and go to doctor's appointments
and this, that, the other thing, like you're living in a prison cell, And we can get youout of that prison cell.

(01:03:21):
It's a choice.
That's it.
And I don't choose that for myself.
I don't want these limitations on me.
And, and you're talking to a person that loves freedom.
So I do not want to be there either.
So I, I want to be able to do what I want to do for the rest of my life.
And in the aspect of I want to climb mountains.
I want to do, I don't care how old I am.

(01:03:43):
I want to be able to do this because here's the deal.
I don't want to be lost in a hospital in my last breath.
Exactly.
last breath, I want to be on top of a mountain or in the wild.
That's just where I want to be.
I couldn't agree more brother.
He's very well said, yeah.

(01:04:05):
So, well, thank you so much, Justin.
I'm gonna let you go here because like I said, I know you're busy, but this conversationhas been enlightening and uplifting.
And I truly appreciate the knowledge that you have given me.
Right back at you man, thank you, it's been a pleasure.

(01:04:25):
All right.
Well, don't die rusty nation.
I hope you enjoyed this episode.
And as usual, keep chasing your dreams, being the best you and of course, don't die rusty.

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