DDR 049 - Paul Lind - Don't Die Rusty Podcast

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Well, hello, Don't Die Rusty Nation.
This is Rick Hansen again.
And today's guest is going to be Paul Lind.
And if you don't know him, he's with Gage 20 Racing, who is a coach of our family member,Emily Hawgood.
And I've been wanting to get a hold of you and talk to you because I've had some questionsI wanted to talk to you about.

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And it's interesting.
mean, in previous, in earlier conversation, we're about the same age.
And it's funny because I was a sprinter in high school, but I really fell in love with theultra marathon and saying, I'm watching and I'm, wasn't good enough to be anything good.
So, but I, I like to challenge myself.

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So anyway, I'm going to let Paul talk here a little bit, maybe give us a little rundownof.
some of us coaching and then we're gonna have a conversation that I hope you'll love.
So.
I think so.
yeah, I would warn you now, you kind of got into this run long distance ultra running bytalking with Pat McCurry and Emily Hawgood, good close friends of mine.

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Man, Rick, you're going down a slippery slope, my friend.
You're entering the danger zone for us old guys.
geez, Gen X crowd here.
But yeah, so.
So for the Don't Die Rusty Nation, talked to a very good friend of mine, six month, PatMcCurry, he's the coach for College of Idaho, very good, or Boise State now, he was the

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coach for College of now he's head coach in Boise State.
That kind of morphed into Rick talking about running and he talked to my athlete who'shere in the house, Emily Hoggid from Zimbabwe, one of my runners.
And it's...
Not about the run and it's about the experience in life as we're going to talk about.

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But so yeah, I, I am at the end of my career coaching, been coaching a long, long time.
you know, probably 40 year or 35 years ago was coaching.
had little kids.
So you're coaching Peewee baseball and basketball and all that, but running and ultrarunning has been a really deep.

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part of the Lind family since 1974 with my father.
And he was a doctor from Iowa.
And he, when I was growing up, he was an old school doctor with the black bag and he stillmade house calls out here.
And patients would come to the house and we lived close to where there were a lot of fruitorchards here, big fruit, mandarin oranges and persimmons and peaches.

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And they'd bring him that and he'd give them a physical here at the house type stuff.
They bring him a crate of Persimmons.
But the running part, my dad was the doctor for the horse riders in the Tevis Cupendurance in ride, which is a hundred mile horse ride.
And you know where this is going to morph into, but he was the doctor for the riders inthat here from Squaw Valley to Auburn, California over the Sierras.

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And in 1974,
This crazy lumberjack woodsman by the name of Gord Ainsley's horse came up lame and he gotin just a bet and a dare that he could run it on foot.
And so this was unheard of back then.
This was a human feat that people thought you were nuts.

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And so I rode in our 1970 or 71 Blazer with my dad up there just as a kid.
You know, you're going to stay up all night with your dad.
That's a big deal.
Yep.
And we followed Gordy that year in 74, running against the horses.
And by God, he finished in under 24 hours.

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And my dad was fascinated with that.
And of course, I'm very biased to the Western States endurance run just a little bit.
That was kind of the start of the the ultra running in America.
And people are gonna hear this and argue with me.
And I said, well, you can argue all you want.
But to me, that was the start of it.

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And it morphed into the Western States Run, the Western States Endurance Run.
And you've talked to Emily about it.
It's the granddaddy.
Yeah, we have races all over the world.
But I bet anybody, if they could, they'd want to run in Western States every year.
So he was the medical director for that for 34 years.

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And he was the one.
He always started it with our family's 20 gauge shotgun.
He passed away in March of 2016 and they handed that duty down to me.
So now I start the race each year with the 20 gauge shotgun.
And I will say to the crowd, is there a fire alarm going off over there or what?

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Here's some beeping.
Anyway, for everybody that wants a little Western States trivia,
I will say that Doc Lynn, now that he's gone and can't get in trouble for it, never shot ablank round to start the Western States.
They were always live rounds.
Hahaha!

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And we used to start it under this big sugar pine tree.
The bad thing was more than once that there'd be pine needles or pine cones coming off thetree at the start.
Okay, now, so I don't get in trouble with the race.
I do use big loud blanks in the race.

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So, Jerry Alvarez and...
Craig Thornley, don't worry, we aren't shooting live rounds anymore at this part.
But as my coaching progressed, I coached high school for 15 years, cross country and trackand field.
And I kind of wanted to go overboard.
If I'm in, I'm all in.

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If I'm in, I'm 100 % in on something.
And live up in Chalice, Idaho, really small town, 1A division, which means schools ofabout 100 kids.
Mm-hmm.
We won six state championships, track and field and cross country.
And at the peak of our track teams, they were so good.

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We won one state championship where I could have split the team into two teams and wewould have taken first and second.
That's how deep we were.
was, was a maze.
I loved, loved working with teenagers.
We had over half the school on the team.
We had about 100 kids in the school, 54 of them on the track team.

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It was just, it was really fun.
I always worked with long distance adults and runners, but that kind of changed as I kindof ended my career with high school.
And so since about 2017, started coaching the passion of the Lin family, the long ultradistance runners.

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And
it's not a, it's a business in the sense that G 20, which is gauge 20, which goes back tomy old man's shotgun for starting Western States.
It's a tribute to him.
And the coaching now is a tribute to my dad to give back to the sport.
That's been so important to our family for so many years.

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I'm not in it to make a money, just cover some bills and I'm not taking on.
So for anybody listening, I hate to it, but I.
I'm not taking on any more athletes.
down.
I have five athletes and that's it now from 50, just kind of down to my final five.
They're all ultra runners.

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They aren't all elite.
Some have been with me a long time.
I tell them when those spots, if you quit or leave or something, those spots don't getfilled.
When I'm down to zero, then I'm done.
Well, nobody ever seems to leave.
can't.
I can't be grumpy enough to get them to leave, but I'm very close to my runners.

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You know Emily very well.
Yeah, I was gonna ask you, who are your other four then?
So right now my final five Mohicans, Lindsay Ulrich, she lives over in Florence, Oregon.
46 years old, she's gonna kill me that I told her age on here.
Absolutely kill me.

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Just got back from a hunting trip with her.
She just came out to hunt in January.
Lindsay's, you know, we call her bash crayla, which stands for bat shit crazy lady, causeshe is.
This is really tough.
mean, she ran a race down in Bandera, Texas, where she wiped out, knocked out six of herteeth or broke them.

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We didn't quite know that blood everywhere.
And for some reason, her dumb coach and her husband let her keep going for a while untilthey finally stopped her at an aid station.
Just really tough.
She really tough.
She, she set the record across Oregon for running from California.
to Washington on the Pacific Crest Trail.

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She likes doing the long stuff.
Alexis Krellin, another mom of three down in Salt Lake City, Utah area.
Won the I'm Tough race, won some other 100 mile or second, went to UTMB last year with us.
know, Ren and UTMB.
Good family down there, close to Alexis and her husband Bren and Taylor Nowlin.

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who's M's teammate on Adidas, Tarex, just had twins, identical twins.
So now we have a project and she's hungry.
She's hungry to come back.
Had to sit out basically a year to start a family and she's kicking butt.
She had her twins in September and she scared me with the workouts this week, how fastshe's getting.

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So I'm like, you're scaring me.
Natalie Swan.
Natalie has been with me the longest, actually.
Longer than I am even.
And she's from Iowa, was a principal at an Iowa school, being principal at a big school,that's just a thankless job.

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She's since moved to Colorado.
She's been a little off the grid getting caught up with the new job.
I'm gonna tell you, Natalie.
We need to quit screwing around.
We need to get back on our A game and get going here.
There's, we do what's called L1, L2, L3 ACs.
Those are level one through level five ashtuans.

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We just got a level two ashtuan Natalie from the old man.
So we got Anne and then there's that crazy Zimbabwean.
And I know she can hear me in the other room now.
She's just such a.
She's just such a pain in my butt, you know.
I believe that.

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Hey, I got to tell you Rick, I hope she doesn't hear me.
I beat her the other day.
Yeah, I did.
I'm waiting to see.
Yeah, dropped her off 10 miles from the house to run back and I came back and I startedrunning backwards and about a mile out I saw her and I was only a mile from the house and

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I saw her and I had about a 400 meter lead on her coming and I took off like about out ofhell.
I kept looking back, by God, I beat her to the house with about 100 yards to spare.
There you go.
But yeah, pretty proud of all my athletes.
So there's there's Taylor, there's Natalie, there's Alexis, and there's Lindsay.

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And those are my five of the last of the Mohicans for me.
Well, that, I mean, that says something, you know, I, and it's funny that you talked aboutthe Tevis race.
Cause I've, I knew about the Tevis a little bit too.
Cause yes.
Cause I, I've been around that.
Yeah.
Just, I happened to know just people in all different places and, and it was, it wasinteresting because they have the veterinarians go out for the horses and then your dad

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was out for the.
Uh, riders and that's, that's just as amazing because I don't know where I read thearticle about that, but it is interesting.
you know, I, I, I've been, I've heard so much about you more from, from Emily since I'vetalked to her a little bit more than this and that, but besides the Western States, what's

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your favorite?
race because I get to see you guys like go to Europe I see was your son he ran in Bhutandidn't he
So yeah, Cody carrying on next generation of limbs.
He's a professional athlete.
He just ran in Bhutan, which is all above 14 to 18, 19,000 feet.

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More of an honor race to go there.
The king puts it on.
For those that don't know where Bhutan is, it's in, by Nepal up in the big boy mountainsover there.
He's over in Australia right now running a race and he'll be back.
So he's carrying on the tradition.
He coaches as well with his team.

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He's got a, I'm not allowed to say right now, maybe by the time the podcast comes out.
So I can't say it, but he's got a pretty big announcement coming up here for 2025 thatprobably will be out by the time you put this up.
Well, it'll be next week where this is going, not this week, but next week.

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see there, we don't say a word.
So we're good.
The reason I said Bhutan because that's one of the places I've just wanted to travel toand see because, you know, cause they only ever let in so many travelers.
it's just, that just seemed interesting to me because of where it's at.

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If you're not a geography major, you need to look it up on a map.
So there you go.
But it is by Nepal.
beautiful.
I had another runner, he's coach named Nate Bender from up in Montana.
He went with Luke Nelson who went with Cody as well over there the first, I had to look upwhere Bhutan was because I didn't know at first where it's sandwiched over there.

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Yeah.
And it's, it is, it's, it's a tiny country, but it has big mountains.
So, know, I mean, really.
and, but that, that one got me when I was watching your, feeds and social media, but, youknow, and then I've talked to Emily and like I said, I, I, I wanted to be in one of her

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races.
I would love to come out there and just watch and see what happens just to see.
states.
You know, cause I think it, but I said I'd have to stand probably a hundred yards backfrom everybody.
Cause this is, this is what I do is I would probably like stumble and we'll just say Emilywas racing and then she'd fall over me and then she'd probably hurt sprain and ankle or

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something.
So being a, being a pit crew person, I don't know if I'd help her.
if that happens, if that happened, Rick, her mean old coach, it puts you down right there.
That's Andy Scorby right there.
then I know you have a gun there too.
put me out of my.

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Yeah.
But no, I, I, it, cause here's the deal and we're going to probably get into this, but Imight as well start now.
It was probably 20 years ago.
See, I grew up in central South Dakota.
in a little town called Rehights and it back there, they said, why are you running?

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Who is chasing you?
There was no need to run otherwise.
That's kind of place, you know, and, but, and then I moved to the black Hills and here'sthe deal.
I started really getting serious about my Western hunting and I
figured out I needed to work out.

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And then I started following ultra runners.
And then I started because, and you can go into this too, because I was looking at beingin shape.
was looking, you know how hard it was for me to find like, new true nutritional storiesabout ultra running.

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mean, I didn't know what I needed to eat.
didn't know.
how to do this.
And it's funny because I was listening with you guys talking then and then now I wish Iwould have known you guys 20 years ago.
So I would have maybe had this in mind, but I was always trying to beat my time and it, itjust wore me out.

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You know, instead of having a mission to try to be better, it was just like, I don't knowhow to train myself.
And I would ask all kinds of questions.
And now I get to talk to you guys.
Not that I'm on the back end of my hunting career, but I am learning from you guys and I'mlearning nutrition.
I'm learning how to try to stay in shape and I'm learning about other things.

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And I want to, I want to talk about that stuff first, but then, then I want to get intomindset a little bit.
And, and this is, this is not just, well, because my argument was 20 years ago.
And this is before a lot of people were out there trying to really be in shape is I alwayssaid hunters are athletes too.

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If you're taking it serious, there's some, you can do it.
There's hunters and there's killers.
I, I, that's what I always said is that I wanted, I want the total experience of hunting.
want to have the adventure, the meat and everything else, but it is all wrapped up to one,but I want to challenge myself and

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I mean, so folks know Rick and I are both big hunters and I live in Idaho, so I have thejoy of getting to hunt out West.
And probably like you, put in, we put in all over the West building points all over theWestern states.
I got a briefcase right here that's just state by state on points and odds, but two thingsto what you just said, And I tell people that come hunt with me, whether they're friends

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or my cousin came out this year.
If you want to have the most successful hunt in your life, whatever you're defining bysuccess, to see the animals, to take an animal, to get the meat, to just be out there, the
best thing you can do to be successful is be in the best shape of your life.
Period.
You can go spend $10,000 on a rifle and a scope and the ballistics and the chart and ammoand everything else and all the gear and hire a guide.

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But if you're not in shape,
It doesn't matter because we have big mountains out here.
Everything's like this.
There's no flat where we go, huh?
We're not road hunters.
And to that point, I'll go back to my dad because I know how I've listened and I'vetalked.
I know how much you love your dad.
And I know you go walk with him every day.

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And my dad is still such a huge part of my life.
As you look behind me, this is his house.
We have Amicare taken, but we still have it.
We haven't sold it.
All the birds and all the stuff.
And if I put over here, here's a whole wall of tribute just to my old man.

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And he was a doctor.
And the one thing that he imparted on us boys, my brother and myself, is what amagnificent machine the human body is.
I'm an engineer by trade.
So I know how pumps work and engines and the mechanics and bearings and how things wear.

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And you look at the human body, that all you gotta do is take care of it, feed it andwater it, and it'll run for 100 years.
And that's just amazing.
You can't get a car, you can't get a pump, you can't do anything that's gonna last thatlong with all these moving parts.
And he was really big on taking care of the human body.

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And one of that was staying fit.
And I think that's super important.
Now you don't have to be an ultra runner to be fit.
But you need to be fit.
That's like a, what's the right word?
A requirement to life.
If you want to be happier in life, and I'm not trying to put anybody in the hole if you'reout of shape, but start.

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Start today.
Start walking tomorrow.
You want the pro tip from an old coach?
Start tomorrow after you listen to this podcast.
Go for a walk and if you're really out of shape, walk five minutes and maybe the next daywalk six.
But commit to it and be in shape.
You know exactly what I'm talking about, how that pays off.

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Yes, because here's the deal.
You know, I've been on hunts where I probably in my earlier days where I really wasn't inshape and you just, that's, you know, it's funny.
Like I said, I mean, you used to walk to get into shape as you were hunting.

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That's, that was the mindset, you know.
I'll just acclimate and get into shape.
do enough during the day and do this and that.
you don't, and people don't understand that.
And for me, I don't care if they don't understand.
I used to get really like kind of set like you aren't, you're missing out, you're missingout.
But now I don't care if they miss out because they're going to be behind me.

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So it really doesn't matter, you know?
But it's, it's one of those deals.
Like I,
want to enjoy where I'm at and to enjoy, I wanna see that, I've seen some memes on socialmedia, like would you get up eight hours before sunrise and go see this view just for the,

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well, two minutes of the sun coming up or whatever.
And actually it's more than that, cause I love, that's, I feel like if I can't see thesunrise, then it's.
One of those wasted days, not really a wasted day, but it's one of those days, you know,but I will go wherever it go.
I have to go to see that sunrise for that.
Cause it's, it, fills me up and being in shape to go see that is amazing.

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Cause when I had a mountain goat tag and in Utah, I was a first on resident to have thetag in the area and is in LaSalle's actually.
so what year did you have it?
A while ago.

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Noah's 2020.
It was COVID year.
And it was interesting because it was the first year that a non-resident could hunt inthat area and I would have been the first bow hunter.
The only reason I really wasn't the first bow hunter was because I wanted a better cape onit, longer hair, and I went later.

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and a guy went before me, but I was the first non-resident bow hunter to shoot one.
Yeah.
dude, that's up there.
You're now moved up.
If the screen's here, Rick just moved out of the sight on my list of worthiness.
But the funny thing is that year I did it.

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And if you want to, it's actually, you might enjoy the whole, my buddy Jared Myers made avideo of this whole thing, but that year I usually climb, it's one of the highest peaks in
my area.
And I climb it usually New Year's Eve to watch the sun go down and say goodbye to thatyear.

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I...
climate and then I watched the sun come up and I welcome the new year in usually on NewYear's depending on snow and stuff and actually I was up there this year on New Year's
Day, but I
is this one of the seven you and Ricky did?
Yep.

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And I did it a hundred times in six months.
I was doing it every three, two to three days.
There's some days I did it because I needed to catch up.
did it.
I did like a marathon on one day, one, you know, I do it three times in a row just to keepup my average.
So I was going to get this done before the season started because, and I didn't know thattill I drew, but what I'm getting at is being in shape.

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and getting up into these places where, because I like elevation, I like, because I justlike to see things too.
But where I'm getting at is I was in shape and I got to see so much and it filled my lifefull of the views and it filled my lungs full of air and it got me in shape.

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And when I went on this hunt, even, and it was,
double of what I was normally doing, but at least I was at a base.
You know, we were up 12,000 feet.
I'm going up 6,000 feet.
But at least I had a good hunt and a good, I had a good perspective of life then.

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And you learn the pain, you learn the hardships and you learn some mental toughness.
And I think that's what
That's what ultra running has done by watching your athletes and watching this.
That's why I asked what love having you on because you, kind of know both ends of what I'mgoing to go on through, except, I mean, you're coaching people and I was coaching myself

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because I was reading or I was watching things that I could do.
But I think you guys gave me a confidence that I didn't have.
In some aspects because here's the deal you shoot your bow every day you go running everyday or I was hiking fast is what I was really doing.

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I run some places but it's funny how you're leaving people in the dust and you don't evenknow you're just walking fast.
It's just normal when I was climbing because people would come with me but what I'm sayingis is uh it builds confidence.
I know I'm gonna hit the target.
I know I'm in good enough shape to go do something.

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So how do you instill that in athletes that are on the border there, between the linesthere or whatever, you know, they don't know if they're confident yet, but they're
climbing the mountain, but they haven't got there yet.
Yes.
And specifically for that, you know, the climb in the mountain or athletes, usually theygo with me or there's Cody or Amor Lindsay or Natalie or Lexus and they just kick my ass

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in the hill.
So they just build all kinds of confidence because they just run the coach in the ground.
But I think you hit the nail on the head, Rick, especially when it comes to endurancerunning, that you reach a point where.
What's up here and how confident you are and your mental place is way more important thanthe waist down development, the physiological development of we did 20 mile run, we did

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heel reps, we did all this heat training.
When you get 80 miles into a hundred mile race, you gotta believe
because your legs are sore and they aren't moving, you're tired or you threw up or youdon't want to eat or you're cranky or you lost five places or somebody's catching.
You got to believe you can still do that because your mind's trying to tell you that youcan't.

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You got to overdo that.
Make sure I don't say anything because I have secrets that I don't let my athletes knowabout.
And I know Hawgood's in the other room and she's not saying anything, but I know thelittle shit can hear me over there.
that's really key is to build the confidence up in them.

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And sometimes it's doing workouts or doing things where you're successful at.
You make sure they're going to succeed at it.
Sometimes
It's doing things they're going to fail at, to give them something to work towards.
And a lot of times I won't let them know on a hard workout that I know ahead of time,there is no way you are going to accomplish what I'm asking you to do.

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And it's gonna sting and it's gonna hurt.
And then I'm going to tell you why I did that.
I wanted you to push hard.
I wanted you to try to achieve the unachievable.
And we have a saying now, a little saying out of the G20 coaches bag.
We are always shooting for perfection, but we'll accept excellence.

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So we're always shooting for the perfect race, the perfect workout, and we acceptexcellence.
And there's times I don't want to ever have, I tell my runners, I don't want you to everhave the perfect race.
I don't want to ever have it where everything
is it can't be any better.
My shoes fit, I didn't feel good, I could not run any faster.

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Because at that point, you can never do any better.
It's like, okay, we're done, we'll move on to underwater basket weaving or something,we're done with running.
There'll always be something you have to overcome, a rock in your foot or a bug in youreye or a cramp or you threw up or you had a low and you gotta come out of it.

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Confidence takes time.
It's not something that can come from one run, one race, one workout.
It takes a long time.
The longer it takes and the more confidence you have, the harder it is to lose it, to havesomething bad happen and you fall off the edge and lose that confidence.

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So it's important to, once you have that confidence, you know have ups and downs, you havegood and bad days, you and I both do.
Mm-hmm.
we have good and bad days.
But if you're up here on 90 % of good days, the bad ones don't ding you so much.
So as a coach, there's a time when you read your runners.
And I think that's one thing I'm not patting myself on the back, but I'm really good at ispaying attention to them and listening to them.

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And that's, I'm fortunate enough where I retired as an engineer.
I can talk to my runners every day.
I can get into their lives and get into their heads and not every coach can do that.
I know them, I can read them and I will make changes if I think they're going into a hole.
to give them something they're gonna be successful at and maybe make sure they don'trealize, coach is babying me.

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If they know you're doing that, that doesn't work.
They have to believe it's all them.
So confidence, and I'm talking about running, but it's the same as bow hunting.
To take a 40 or 50 yard shot, you better be damn confident if you're gonna let that arrowgo at 40 to 50.
And I'm not a 40 to 50 yard shooter.

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and this year we were bow hunters too, out here.
We switched or we went all in on muzzleloader traditional muzzleloading this year.
And that took a long time for me to build up confidence to shoot a hundred yards.
And I know, and if you're not a muzzleloader and you're not traditional a hundred yards isa tough shot without a total bench rest on a, on a peep site.

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to where you feel good and ethical about the shot.
And it took a while for me to feel good about that because like you, Rick, the last thingwe want to do is wound an animal out there.
so I had a confidence building curve for me and that took a lot of time shooting.
Holy moly, I don't know how much I spent on Pirate X and black powder and musket caps thisyear.

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I'm lucky enough I can shoot off the back porch.
Yeah.
So I can build the confidence up quicker, but it's no different whether you're a runner ora hunter to get that confidence up.
Where when you have a blip, when everything's going right, it's easy.
When you have a low, when you have something going wrong, you have to believe you canstill do this.

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it's easy to say, but hard to do.
Yeah, cause the last time I talked to Emily on the last episode, I told her, said, thiswas the first year when we did the eighth this year.
Cause I was doing seven.
added the eighth cause I didn't feel like I was, I just kept on knowing, kept on likepushing one more mountain or one more because I thought, yeah, I know I can do this.

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I know I can do it, but this was the first year I've ever thrown it.
I've always, you know, you're
The problem with what I was doing is you get in the car because you have to go to adifferent mountain and you get in the car and you gotta go to a different mountain and you
get going.
But it's amazing how I felt good for the first four.

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And then the last month, well, I didn't feel, I felt decent for the first five actually.
And then it was just like, my stomach started going.
And we got to the last mountain, the Black Elk Peak in South Dakota.

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I was heading there after Little Devil's Tower and we got to, I was holding it in.
I'm not feeling good.
The guys are ahead of me and I'm just, I have to go into my mental state of just stay awayfrom me.
I'm going to get this done.
And I got to the top and Ricky had the

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He had the, camera and he's like, we did it, you know, and we're showing the views and wedid it in our time that we wanted to do.
And he thought I was faking it, but I was puking off the side of the wall there.
And, and I've never done that before.
And then I'm questioning like, am I going to be able to get, mean, in my head, I'm sayingthis, it wasn't that I was panicked.

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It was just like, I've never done this and what's going on.
And, and it was just.
I didn't do things the way I normally do and I didn't probably do things the right way,but I learned and I got it done and we finished it.
You saw that.
So at least I felt good there.
So it's those challenges though.
I like to do those challenges where, you know, I want to challenge myself.

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I don't think if people don't challenge themselves in life, where are they going to go?
Yeah, you don't ever want to be satisfied here.
Always be looking for that next level.
Hey, I got a pro tip on your puking during your adventure.
We got a saying we use.
I started it back in high school.
My runners know it now.
Puking and blisters are highly overrated.

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They are highly overrated, you know, and I've never really had the, I've had the chafingpart.
I'll go there and I fix that problem, I hope, but the puking part just got to me, but nowit's good.
I love, like people just, I think you should challenge yourselves and learn how that, andget the confidence to believe in yourself.

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You know, and I don't know how I've, I know how, but I'm lucky that I've been able to chatwith you guys.
So you guys have upped my game.
You and Emily have upped my game.
So that is just cool.
So.
ask you, when you and Ricky finished the adventure, and you'd been, I listen, you'd beenworking on it for a long time, and it was a lot of training and a lot of time away, and

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probably your wife was ready for you to be finished with it, and then it's a high and youcome off it, did you hit a low the next week or two or so?
It's like, well, God, this has been my focus forever.
Now what am I gonna do?
Yes, I did.
you know, when you talk about when I did my hundred, Cindy was getting really tiredbecause I was gone.

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You know, you're gone because you have to drive there.
You do it for, you know, whatever the hours I was gone and this one training, which I'mlucky enough that she was my driver.
The next any, you you want to know something funny when we got to the bottom.
I said, all I want is a steak.
yeah, for some reason a burger, a cheeseburger steak, that's me too when I'm out for amega adventure in the hills.

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But when you stop moving like I was used to moving, like training wise, I'm saying, like.
you, I start feeling bad.
I start feeling bad mentally.
I start feeling bad physically, because you aren't doing what you used to do.

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Like I'm moving differently now.
I'm not striving for that.
So I'm not doing what I was doing.
And now like I get sore easier or my mental game is off a little bit.
And that's why it's nice to keep moving.
Cause I think that's what confidence is, is believing in yourself.

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once you've like, you, you, you take that Nick, we'll just say in your, in your trainingor whatever.
And then you go, you have to build your confidence all the way back up again, just becauseyou've like, I'm not, I'm feeling crappy.
What did I do?
On the other side, Rick, we're talking about underconfidence.

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There's a fine line between confident and overconfident too.
For me, that comes into play in climbing, because in the summer we spend an inordinateamount of time climbing the peaks in Idaho.
And we free solo everything, no ropes, no gear, nothing.
And you have to build a confidence to exposure, to falling, to rocks.

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And there's big fine line between confidence and overconfidence where you need torecognize, I shouldn't do this.
And I'll say that with regards to staying fit and doing the things we want to do and yougetting interested in maybe some running or going to ultra events or being a part of it,
maybe you want to try something.

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And here's for all the OGs out there like us.
You don't want to get hurt.
You don't want to get hurt because it's hard to come back on things.
And even now, still, because I'm hanging around them and Cody and all these young gunsthat can smoke me and everything.
But in my mind, you know, I'm still 21 and you're still 22.

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Now I can still run a 60 second 400 type stuff.
And I got to dial it back every now and then.
so I don't get hurt, so yeah, I hear ya.
And here's, you talk about that and I always, I'll bring this back to hunting, which isinteresting is, I hate to say this, it's making me sound like I'm 23 when I'm still just

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22.
But I shot this 200 inch whitetail.
But before then, but before, 201 and 5 8s.
Holy
Non-typical.
It's pot and stock, but here's the deal.

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I shot the 200-incher on a Sunday.
The Thursday I was out hunting and I never sit in a tree stand.
I hate tree stands, but where this is, I'm in central South Dakota where it is, I have tosit in a tree stand and here comes this deer.
And he was a 150-inch.
150 inch deer and I had him, he's coming in.

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I mean, I've practiced, I mean, I'm 3Ds all summer long.
I'm so confident.
And he comes underneath me.
I watch him come in.
I'm wondering how I'm gonna mount him.
You know, these things are in my head, overconfidence.

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And he came in to 15.
And I turned, was at a funny angle and I shot right over his back.
And I took the hair off the top of his back and I could see that when he went up to 40,there was no shot, there was branches in the way.
And I went home and I was really, really mad at myself because of my overconfidence.

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I didn't pick a spot.
In archery, you you pick a spot.
You don't.
miss small.
Exactly, and I'm overconfident knowing that I'm just going to do this and get it done.
So out West, as you know, where you said you started in your mind, you're thinking how I'mgoing to mount him out West.
We get overconfident when we think, man, how am going to pack him out of here?

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Okay.
I can quarter might come out this strange and I caught myself doing that this year on thislatest L con of, man, that's an easy pack.
There's a road down there.
got tracks on the four wheeler.
I can ride up there.
It's like, no, don't do that.
Don't do that.
It comes back to bite you always.
Yes.
And it's interesting in the fact too, that I went home mad at myself.

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I mean, I went back to my mom and dad's, should say, mad at myself because I missed.
And my mom being the pep talker, she is, she said, you missed for a reason.
And three days later, I spot and stalked a 200 inch white whale.
said what?
You missed for a reason.

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Missed for a reason.
plan, you know, there's like, she's a, she was a very religious person and you you missher region and this and that, you know, you in, I, it's funny.
Like I said, that was a Thursday on Sunday.
I things had worked out and I snuck up and shot that 200 inch whitetail.

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And I never, I did not know what was that big when I shot it.
just because I, I.
for those three days that I had in between, I said, pick a spot, pick a spot, pick a spot.
I knew he was big, but I didn't know that big.
And that changed my life in the aspect of thinking like that stuff.

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you know, I mean, it's like, do your athletes, like, pick a race that they're, how do youget athletes to edge up like,
They're overconfident.
They lose their confidence because they got that blister.
You know what I mean, nutrition, didn't, things weren't going their way this race.

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How do you pick a, how do you pick a racer up from that?
You mean during a race?
Well, during a race or after a race, cause like some of the athletes you're training,they're going to, they're going to more races after that.
How do you pick them up to like for the next race?
Like we, we, we can fine tune what we know what you did wrong here.

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It's kind of like watching video.
You, I don't expect you get to watch the whole race, but you can see some of the videoprobably on some places, but you know what they're coming into the, the, the stations.
Like.
How do you pick them up for the next race?
you know, that is, I think the critical part to being a good coach is, is this part withyour athletes.

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And like I say, I'm very close to them.
Sometimes being very close isn't helpful because I can't bullshit them.
They know I'm just blowing smoke.
In a race, I mean, all of them, Natalie, Lindsay, Taylor, Alexis, Emily.

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They know when you're running a long race that's hours long, eight hours, 12 hours, 24hours, you are going to have ups and downs.
You're not always going to feel good in the same aspect.
You're not always going to feel bad either.

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And I preach you're going to have a low.
You have to tell yourself, I will come out of it.
I will come out of it, I will come out of it, I will come out of it.
Hopefully it's late in the race and hopefully it only lasts five minutes, but it mightnot.
It might last an hour and it might be two hours in.

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You gotta tell yourself you'll come out of it, but...
for me when I'm at a race with my runners and there and I get to see them, what I say tothem at the aid stations is so critical.
They all know I hate crewing.

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In other words, I filling the bottles.
I will do it, especially at UTMB because you have, there's only one person there.
But I like them to have the crew where I can kind of manage and be a coach and watch themand know what to say to them.
And I cannot answer your question with a blanket here, page two, here you go.

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It's the ability of being 57 years old and coaching and been being around this sport sinceI was seven years old.
So that's 50 years.
I just realized that I've been around the sport for 50 years.
And don't are they are they just boobin?
Are they hurt?
Are they sick?
Are they going to tank it?

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In other words, they might be at a point where you're not going to bring them back.
You can blow smoke all you want, but they're going to have a crappy race.
Making sure they're having fun.
And we always say that the number one rule in running is you better be having fun orthere's no point in doing it because it's kind of an observed pastime.

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one might say.
But if you can find meaning in that, you can kind of find meaning in another observedpastime, which we call life, you know.
So during a race, you know, that changes.
I don't have a cookbook approach to anything.

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I will read Emily.
I'll read Alexis.
I'll read Lindsay.
And if I'm not there, there's nothing I can do, you know, during a race if I'm not there.
Yeah.
And that's tough for me because I can't be at everyone's race all the time.
And they know.
much of an advantage it is if the race and then I can be there.

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No, it's different.
Their husband can be there, their boyfriend or girlfriend or somebody else, but we're thatclose.
If I could be at everybody's race and at all the race stations all the time, I would dothat.
And with down to five, I can try to be at as many as I can, but you know, I travel theworld and there's only so many places I can go for these races.

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The trickiest part though is you ask, what do you do next?
We're done.
It's the day after, it's the week after, we're going to start training of instilling thatconfidence back in them that it's okay.
I threw up, I had a bad race, right?
I couldn't keep up with this person in the end of what we're going to do so that theydon't go into the next race with this big stigma here going, my God, is this going to

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happen to me again?
Am I gonna get to mile 50 and throw up?
Am I gonna get to mile 50 and my hamstrings gonna hurt?
Am I gonna get to mile 30 in this?
You gotta clear that out of your head.
And that comes into making sure they have successful workouts.
Making sure their mindset is, yeah, I can do this again.

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I can see that I can do that again.
That just is not something that...
is easy to do as a coach.
That's the trick in all that.
That's why you do, yeah.
you know, and, and, I, I, I love, I mean, I'm learning so much in this conversation isit's, it's great.

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but what are your favorite countries or places besides Western States to hunt in?
mean, hunting, racing.
I will tell you that we go to Chamonix every year, because that's UTMB, what we might saythe world championships are.
It's beautiful there, but it's stressful.

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It's big.
It's huge.
It's the big finale.
My favorite place to go, which this race doesn't exist anymore.
And it's not just for the race, because I think of traveling the world, it is the mostbeautiful place on planet Earth, is
Northern Norway Tromso Norway where the fjords are and the Lofoten Peninsula that comesdown from Tromso there There was a race we used to do we used to do the SkyRunner World

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Series these extreme climbing rugged races in Scotland and Spain and Andorra and Italy andBut Tromso Norway there was one there Killian Jone used to put it on It doesn't exist
anymore That was a speck
Tackily beautiful place in the race and we're there in the summer.

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So it's 24 7 And It wasn't super long as we'll say 50k.
I think it might have been 55k.
So 33 miles and On these shorter races, I used to go run them pre run them, you know andyou get a couple days I run 15 one day and I'd go see the course and take video and give

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them beta on it because Usually Cody would go one of my other runners or Emily.
So we'd have a crew there
And so Lofoten, Tromsø, Norway, one of my favorite places.
There was a race in Italy called, called Kima.
It only happens every two years in, I'm spacing the climbing town.

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People are going to kill me for this.
The Alps are pretty spectacular.
I won't kid you.
mean, different than America, because there's towns and people.
The Alps are pretty spectacular.
Down where lives, I've been fortunate.

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I've got to go to Zimbabwe.
I've gone to the farm and there's a race they do called the Sky Run over near theMozambique border.
It's cool.
It's just cool over there.
And she and I climbed the tallest mountain in Zimbabwe, which is
in Yingani, I hope she doesn't hear me in the box room because I just brutalized the nameof it.

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Anyway, Madeira, the island of Madeira, to a race there, pretty kind of, they call it theEternal Spring, really, really cool.
I was hoping there was a new race this year in Patagonia, truly down in the furthest citysouth and

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both Emily and Cody were gonna go down there.
I was like, I'm in, I'm in, in, I'm in, I wanna go down there.
And I was gonna stay longer.
I'm like, I wanna go bird hunting down there and fishing and stuff.
their schedules, as it turns out now, they're not gonna be able to do that.
So I'm not going to Patagonia.
In terms of the world, the world is a really small place.

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It's so much smaller than people realize.
In my younger years, I sailed in the merchant marines and sailed all the Pacific andthrough the canal and around the horn and went to 30 or 33 countries, I think.
And you get to see a lot of third world countries, a lot of different people.

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And you definitely learn how valuable, how wonderful it is to live in the United Stateswhen you see that.
And you understand why people want to come here.
You understand where they're willing to risk their lives to come here.
But,
You know, I think the value of travel, if you can, if you can get out and put yourself inthe uncomfort zone where you're the different person, you speak with an accent, you can't

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understand the waiter or the person at the cash register and you realize they don't care.
We're pretty isolated here in America.
Get out and go put yourself in the, in the uncomfort zone somewhere.
And I think that enhances life.
if you can do that, to experience other cultures, to realize that people aren't thatdifferent.

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And we got different beliefs and we have different color skin and different religions anddifferent facets in life, wear different clothes.
But the bottom line is people like to be happy.
People like to be loved.
And you see that mostly in kids.
When I travel all these countries, I think I'm up to like 50 countries now.

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Kids don't know the difference.
Kids like to play in the sand and they like to play with sticks and they like to believethey're making rocket ships and running race cars and racing horses.
And they don't know that this kid's different than that kid.
And you can take a kid from America and a kid from Egypt and a kid from Zimbabwe and putthem all together and they couldn't speak a lick to each other, but they'd figure out how

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to play in a sandbox together.
God, if we could figure out how to do that on the planet, that'd be great.
I don't think it's gonna happen, but who knows?
You never know someday.
You don't, but it's just amazing.
Like this is the first time we've really talked in person.
I mean, we're not even in person, but talked.
And I believe the same thing.
Cause when I go to anywhere, like I go to see the real people.

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And I lived in Australia for a year and the rule was, you know, I didn't...
I lived with Australians, I was on an egg exchange and I knew where Americans were, but Idon't wanna do that.
I went to Jamaica and I wanna, when I go to like a island country, I'm not gonna stay inthe resort.

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I wanna go see, cause here's my deal, mean, I know it's.
12 below zero and we have a Missouri river going through the middle of South Dakota or youhave a lake.
But I think if, if, if my job was just to go drink beer and lay on a beach, I'd do that inthe summer here.
You know, I mean, I'm not, I want to see how the other people live.

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And when you see how other people live, like the, they live in shack.
Some people live in shacks and in squander and in, in, in they are still have smiles ontheir faces and, and you.
Don't understand how good you have it in America.
That's sad sometimes, but that's where I try to go out and see whatever I can see whereverI go just to see how other people live.

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And we are sheltered because you can't see everything on a computer.
You can't see everything on a television show.
You have to go and see, touch, smell, feel.
everything that is in wherever you're at to really get an understanding and that bringsthe world closer because not 99 % of the people are I'll go 98 % of the people are all

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relatively the same it's the it's the 2 % that are the ones that hurt the whole peopleworld in in the aspect of
Everybody's just trying to get by and live their best life.
And you see that, you're right.
You're right.
It's such a small percent of people that mess things up for everybody else.

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You're right, most people want to be good.
They want to treat you fair.
They don't care what you look like, what you believe in.
If you're a good person, you treat people well.
You can come over and sit at my table at the restaurant and we'll talk.
And maybe we got to point the pictures around the computer and we can't understandlanguages.
It works.
And part of us being sheltered in America isn't really our fault.

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And we have this huge country.
We've got Canada here, Mexico.
for those that haven't been to Europe, you go to Europe and each like driving betweenSouth Dakota, North Dakota, Kansas, Wyoming, all that, that's different countries,
different traditions.
they're used to that over there.
They're used to different languages and talk.

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And again, I'm a...
I'm a patriot through and through and I love America and a hundred percent.
I wish we could get kids especially.
And what do I mean by kids?
Under 18.
I wish we could get them to go more.
And I get not everybody gets to do that.

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There's a financial burden and, but if you could, I think, and you could experience theway other people live, you'd be more satisfied in life and the world would be a better
place.
Yeah, and I think if you could dream it and go do it, and here's, you were in the MerchantMarines, you said, and when I went over there, it's like, you know what, and I went over

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there at 19, I think it was 1920, anyway, and you're a, yeah, that I was lived in, and.
You're long flight from mom and dad.
They can't fix your problems.
You're learning how to fix your own problems.

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You're growing up.
You're being in, still exploring your life and exploring the people that are around you.
And I think that some of that is lost in some aspects.
I mean, you have runners that are running the mountains and they get to see the beautiful.
So I see that's why I, that's kind of why I,

(01:02:39):
I know I'm going off kilter here, but that's kind of why I like the ultra running and notbiking.
Cause if I was a long distance biker, I'd be having wrecks all the time.
Cause I'm looking around and I'd rather be an ultra, you know, being with ultras, at leastyou can look around.
I can stumble over a rock cause I have done that and fell down and got up and you know,you're by yourself.

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So nobody ever sees you fall down.
So most of the time.
really Rick, the fun part in running long distance races isn't the race.
It's all the training that you got to do to go to these places.
you know, most of my runners now live in the West and we have all this public land we cango on.

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And we get to go run in these mountains or here, you know, in the winter we train right onthe Western States Trail.
And I've been doing that for 50 years and I still get goosebumps going on some of thehallowed trails and still like looking at the same creek or the same waterfall or in
Forest Hill when we're up there, you can look back and if you know how to look, you knowwhere the trail comes from over in the Sierras and you can see where the start is and you

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kind of picture it.
Don't ever get tired of that.
You said something earlier where you like to go see the sunrises.
I hope you never get tired of that, ever.
On sunrise number 4612, I hope it's just a big grin and a warm feeling in you.
I do too.
Sunrise and sunsets.

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I mean, there's something different about a sunrise in the mountains though, or you rollout of a tent or you hike up and you see, you know, that first little, the sky, the color,
you see that first little tick, you know, you're like, oh, got it, there it is, there itis, you know.
It is too.
And I like the sunrise.

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I mean, I love sunsets too, but I'm a sunrise person because of the fact that you arealone a lot of the time, because people don't want to roll out of bed to go get
uncomfortable to go see something that's a short period of time.
But I'm telling you that candy that I call it the cotton candy sky before the sun rises isthe most amazing sights in East.

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You see all those colors and the sun comes up and, and it fills me full of just joy, justknowing that I got to see this creation today.
And there's some people like when I'm climbing and I see this and an hour later, theclouds come in and they never even saw the sunrise, you know, or, and here's another

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thing.
I'm, and, and you being in Idaho hunting,
And being up in the mountains, should say, here's some of the things I think about too islike, I love Montana.
I'm a big Montana person.
live right on the, like I'm 11 miles from Wyoming where I live in the Black Hills of SouthDakota.

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And then I hop to Montana, skip to Utah.
say, but here's the deal.
And I don't know if you think about this, cause I think about it a lot when I'm up.
either in the Montana breaks or wherever as I think, you know, did Lewis and Clark comethrough here was I'm a big John Coulter was, I don't know why John Coulter is one of my

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favorite mountain men.
mean, I know you, you know, and I got to see where he ran supposedly from the Indians whenhe is naked.
Yeah.
And, and I go, who stepped in these places?
How many people have stepped?
in the places that I have been.
And it is just one of those things that you just wonder and it gives me peace because likeyou said, there's a lot of public land out there that you're running on and we get to go

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see.
and there's very few people that go see some of this land because it's not a nationalpark.
They don't have that little asphalt trail to go to see that waterfall.
And they turn around and come back.
And then the animal might be along the road.
we get to take a trail or not even have to take a trail.
You can go wherever you want and see some of these sites that are sometimes more beautifulthan the places that are on the national parks list or whatever.

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And that's why I like the piece.
Back to your, you you said you're talking about John Coulter and you're up in these placeswhere you think who stepped here before?
Who in history has stepped here?
On a different note for me, because we spend an inordinate amount of time in themountains.
This last year, 88 days in the hills hunting plus horn hunting and climb was like 250days, 280 days in the hills.

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And this summer was a big
push.
I had the, you get obsessed with these goals.
You had the peaks, you and Ricky, I'm gonna, by God, you're obsessed.
Got obsessed with finishing all the 11,000 foot peaks in Idaho this year.
Then a quest and Cody and I did all the Lost River peaks.

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It's like, I just want to get all the 11ers done.
There's 115, officially there's 115.
We say there's like 124 in our book, so.
Yeah.
and I had like 36 more to do this summer.
I'm like, I want to be done with this.
I want to get them all done.
And it became like climb one day rest, climb one day rest, climb one, like obsessed withfinishing them.

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And a different take on the who's been here before is I get up to some of these places andnot necessarily the peak, but a place in there, a cool rock.
I'm going, I bet you no human being has ever set a foot here before.
Hmm.
wondering like, has any human ever been right here touching this rock?

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Like when's the last time this rock, if it were alive, saw a human being, you know, if itcan do that?
I also think about that, you know, we've got the Frank Church River of No ReturnWilderness in our backyard at Chalice.
And more than once I've flown over it in a bush plane.

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For those that don't know, it's the largest wilderness in the lower 48.
It's massive, massive.
And you fly over and every now and then you look and you can see maybe a herd of elk or aherd of deer in some really remote spots and you're wondering, I wonder if there's a big
old buck down there that has never seen a human ever.

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And you're like, you know there have been in some of these places.
You know there's a place in Alaska, they've
There's some sheep never seen a human.
I don't know.
Maybe there's some biologists, scientists out there that's gonna say, you don't know whatyou're talking about, Lind.
Well, if I don't, just let me live it for a little bit.

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I do believe that though, I, I think there are places that, that
How can humans not, I mean, you look at like big elk and you look at big deer and you lookat any of these world-class animals will just say, and nobody's seen them.

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Like, don't tell me that either they're very nocturnal if they're in a human area orthey're in the wilds that nobody's ever gonna see them and they just live their life.
And maybe that's what I'm striving for too, is to just to live life.
Think about the peace besides a wolf or a grizzly or something maybe trying to kill them.

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Think of the peace that you get to live in these places like that, the Frank Church or theBob Marshall or wherever, you Those are things that really dig at my heart, I guess.
Well, you're right and we're fortunate in the West in these states to have places you cango and for me I'm really blessed to be in Chalice.

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I can disappear to a place within 15 minutes and climb up and it is remote, super remote.
And back to those big animals that never get seen by humans.
know we shed, besides hunting, mean shed hunting is a...
religion for us come March, April, May here.

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And you pick up sheds, you know, every now and then.
And we know there's a core group of hardcore shed hunters.
Somebody will pick one up and like, holy smokes, nobody's seen that.
Nobody has seen that buck, period.
And he must, like you say, he's just a ghost the rest of the year.

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He's nocturnal and come September, October, November.
He's in the trees at night, or he's out at night in the trees all day long and you justdon't see him.
That's neat to know.
That's just super fun to know.
It is, like you said, I love shed hunting, I love being out in the woods, and it's one ofthose things that you may not, it's funny how people, how social media and people have

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talked down about shed hunting and make fun of it, but you know what I say, I'm out in thewoods, I'm enjoying my life.
And we were talking earlier, you know, I took my wife because she didn't really understandshed hunting.
And then she walked up on her first horn and it's hard to not like, if I say I'm goingshed hunting, I can't go by myself anymore.

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And that was my peaceful time.
But you know, it's so, it's one of those things that makes you closer and it makes, we,you know, we take off and go in different directions.
I keep her in sight.
It's so fun to have that experience of look what I found or did you see that?

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And in that time of the year, it's time to be getting out of the house.
Where I'm saying is getting back into the mountains, the snow is starting to melt, thegrass is starting to green in some, you know, when you get to that May part, April, May,
late, not March, but April, May, and there's other places.

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around where I live that the snow isn't as deep, but those are the fun things, you know,that bring something to a relationship and it brings something to your soul.
Like, yeah, I, I just, it's hard to, it's hard to get people, you know, I, I, the onething here in South Dakota and on the edge of Wyoming and Montana, you know,

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We don't have any deer and we don't have any elk, so you should just stay home if you'relistening to this, because there's nothing out there.
And I'll just go look.
Yeah.
the same thing I will say is Idaho is a terrible place.
The smog and the traffic and the crime and the lack of animals, there's no reason anybodyshould want to even go there.

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There's no need to come to Idaho, period.
Go to Iowa.
I-O-W-A.
That's where you want to go.
Exactly.
So, so well, Paul, we're getting to, I'm going to let you get going here.
Cause, but I certainly hope that we have another conversation here.

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This is why I'm in it because, and here's the other thing I've talked to him and I'mreally on that edge of coming out to the Western States.
hey on that Rick, you know, I gave you grief.
You're talking about getting in the way.
No, if, if you can't, if you, if you get to come out, mean, this is, this is our hometurf.

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This is a special race and what we, you come out, you'll get to see a different aspect ifyou're with the, Lind crew out here.
and my boy's trying to get back into it.
If not, he'll probably pace Emily, but we are, we are fine tuned.
I mean, our team is.
It's almost unfair how good we are and how we set stuff up.

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you know, her, her Tarex team got to see that over the last few years.
Like we, got this dialed after 50 years.
We know what the hell we're doing and to take someone that really wants to, to see it.
That's special.
Yeah, it's busy, it's hectic and there's stuff going, but there's lots of, there's a lotof hurry up and wait time too.
So all you do is, you know, like we've talked about, don't wait to do something.

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You want to come out.
come out the last week of June, we're here.
I mean, we'll be up at Olympic Valley, you know, but, and you're going to get a differentview from 50 years of history of Western States with me and my brother, my cousin, my

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niece.
It's not a race.
It is a family tradition that is really deep.
And I know realizes that and respects that.
is
way, way more than a race.
And all my runners, I mean, I have others trying to get in and they know it too.
It is a very, very special experience for the Lynn family out here.

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and I believe that now that you you know, now I understand more it makes me even moreinterested come out to see the history and to see the See everything that there is about
it because it's just you know, I'm like I'm not there to be in your ways but I just wantto stay and just watch and Help wherever I could if you needed any help

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about slave labor out here.
Don't worry about that.
We'll get you to work.
And just, it's just, it's one of those deals.
I don't know what it is.
It's just, I really, and here's the other, I just think it would be a really fun thing togo do.
And like you said, like I say, if you don't do it, you won't do it you might as well go doit.

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know, living life is about living life.
If you don't live it, you aren't going to.
You may have a South Dakotan, Western South Dakotan.
I'm not an Eastern South Dakotan, I'm a Western South Dakotan.
Hey, just between us girls here on the phone, on the talk, if you ever get to where youwant to swap hunts, I'll bring you to Idaho.

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If you bring me out there, I've not, I have not killed a white tail yet.
I've killed dozens.
I wish we could have done this interview at my house in my living room with the red shagcarpet from the seventies in Idaho, because behind me there, are 16 deer mounts.

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shoulder mounts in the room.
Those are my boys.
I talk to them every night.
We have conversations.
We reminisce about the hunts, but I have yet to kill a whitetail.
Well, we'll have to talk about this in person.
How about that?
we don't want to talk in front of your viewers because we don't want to know what we woulddo or where we're going, that's for sure.

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No, so here's, have two questions for you before we end.
The first one is gonna be a tough one and family's listening.
Nah, she's...
I got the doors closed.
She's over in the living room there.
Cause how do you train somebody with the smile that she has?

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Like if she just, like if she said, cause all she has to do is smile and it's just so bigand she just like, you know what?
I don't really feel like running 10 miles a day.
I want to run nine miles and she gives you that smile.
How do you say, no, you're running the 10.
Yeah, it's usually with with my runners.

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have the opposite problem.
Rick, it is.
I'm going to cut you back from 10 to eight and they bitch because they want why I can do10.
I can do 10, but you know, she has been famous for the always smiling.
I will kid you.
I put her on the we did some 200.
I put her down on her knees the other day running 200s and she wasn't smiling.

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Okay
last night we did 10 miles on a bike path and I was on the e-bike going.
We weren't smiling.
think, I think the cameras are just catching more of this than, is deserved, but she, sheand my other runners know that I believe you better be having fun with what you're doing.

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And sometimes it hurts, but you better be having fun with it.
And I think they take that to heart.
Well, I do too.
And that I loved when, mean, I looked at the 20 gauge page and I was looking and I lovedhow it says you got to have fun.
I really believe in whatever you do, you got to have fun.

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And that's why, like when we were talking earlier about climbing mountains and seeing thesunrises, that's my fun.
That is the best part of my day.
I, and, and I've had questions of why do you like doing the sunrises?
Well, first of all,
Also is I have a headlamp on you get your work done because there's nothing to see becauseit's dark unless you're seeing eyes in front of you.

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Otherwise it's dark.
You get to the top, then you get to see your view and then I take my come down.
But yeah, those are the that's a fun live life.
Be the best you can be.
walking with your old man each day in the winter?
No, I mean, my dad lives in central South Dakota, but whenever I go back and visit him andhe, that guy, I try to stop, I've got him to start taking pictures now, but I'd stop and

(01:21:25):
take a picture here and there and I'd have to run to catch up with him and he's 81.
And he has his business to get done, know, he has to hurry up to get done with his walk sohe can go have coffee with the guys.
Oh man, you just reminded me of something I gotta do.
I gotta go to my mom's and fill her meds tonight.
I'm glad you said that.

(01:21:48):
Well, I'm glad you reminded me.
I was about to become a bad son here.
So, the last question we ever mostly ask anybody is, what's the good life to Paul and.
Not necessarily to me, but advice, know, pro tip on life, which you and I are trying tohelp people learn is we talk about don't wait to do stuff.

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Don't work yourself into the ground and wait till you're 65 to start enjoying life.
Now I realize...
Not everybody can financially travel the world or get to do this, but don't wait.
When you say, what's your classic question?

(01:22:40):
What's a good life to Paul Lind Be healthy, be happy, and be nice to other people.
If you do those three things, especially that last one, be nice to other people, it comesaround back to you and helps you enjoy your life even that much more.
It doesn't hurt.

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It takes nothing to just smile at somebody.
You can smile at the gal at the grocery store checking out.
You can smile at somebody when you walk past them on a bike path.
You can just say hi.
And maybe they're grumpy.
Maybe they want to, but it never hurts to do that, to just smile and say hi.

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How's it going to somebody?
And I think if I pick those three things, be healthy, be happy, and be nice to otherpeople.
Take that last one and be nice to other people, because it makes you feel better too.
Well, I can't disagree with that.
That's, that is exactly what needs to be done in this world too.
now that I said that, can all my other runners and go, God, you're such a grumpy old mansometimes.

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How come you don't live by your own standards?
Well, that's, you know, that's the old guy coach right there coming out.
There we go.
Well, that's awesome.
So I just want to thank you for being on again.
And I really, truly hope that we get to meet in person and we'll keep that.

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You need to get your butt out to the Western states and we'll take care of you out here.
Well, that would be just, I'm really edging towards it right now.
when we get off here, I'm going to ask you a few different questions.
anyway.
All right, thanks Rick.
I appreciate it.
And Don't Die Rusty Nation.

(01:24:29):
Man, I hope I get to meet a bunch more people that say, hey, I know this Don't Die Rustydude.
Well, I hope you do too.
So, well, Don't Die Rusty Nation, I just want to say as always, keep chasing your dreams,being the best you, and don't die rusty.
See ya.

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