October 20, 2025 • 34 mins
In part one of Steve Ataru’s story, we journey through Nairobi childhoods, the pressure of “golden opportunities,” and the courage it takes to start over. The moment that anchors this episode is raw and unforgettable: Steve’s newborn, Zayn, suddenly needs surgery and his wife’s intuition is the compass that saves precious time. This is a story about choosing alignment over approval, and learning to trust the wisdom right beside you. In this episode, you’ll hear:
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- Growing up across Eastlands, Juja, and Lang’ata, and how environments shape resilience.
- Leaving a partial scholarship in Russia to return home and begin again.
- Surviving the in-between: hustling, odd jobs, and rebuilding identity through creativity.
- Dating, intention, and choosing partnership on purpose.
- A mother’s intuition: the Sunday morning crisis that led to Zayn’s surgery, and how it changed Steve’s outlook on partnership and parenting.
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- Building financial systems that support calm (not chaos)
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
My name is adele On Youngle and welcome to another
episode of Legally Clueless. No, seriously, i have no clue
what I'm doing, but I'm pretty sure I'm not the
only one. Hey, you welcome to this episode of Legally Clueless.
And this is what's coming up.
Speaker 2 (00:19):
Zane wakes up on a Sunday morning. We wake up
on a Sunday morning. He feeds. As he's in the
room with the mom. I hear the mom, you know,
calling out, and I'm running back quickly and I find
her holding him in a position as if to relieve
him from choking. Sure enough, he was choking on milk.
But she was like, no, I don't think zen as well. I,
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on the other hand, was like, I think it's okay.
So but she was insistent and she really wanted him
to get medical attention. I said, okay, you can take him.
I think I remember also on that morning, we had
one of those situations where I was like, I'm jack Casana,
but Cosara, you know, as I'm going to town, she
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gives me a call right as I was getting to
where I was going to as she tells me Zin
is not well. They say he needs surgery. I'm like,
hold up, don't let them do anything to Zin. I'm
coming right now. This hospital it's a clinic around home.
But as I get in, I can hear these cry,
which is very distinct. It's Zin cry, and all through
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the hospital it's the only thing you.
Speaker 1 (01:23):
Can hear that is Steve Attaru. We're going to get
into part one of his very powerful story in a bit,
but welcome. If you're an OG member, I have got
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the show notes. But before we get into this week's story,
just a quick reminder that our Wellness Talk is happening
this Saturday. Yes we're days away from it. And remember
it's happening on Saturday, but on Thursday, we're going to
shut down our ticket portals, so you literally have what
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four days left for you to grab your tickets to
join us as we listen to Susan Wanjiku, who's an
incredible money educator from right here in Kenya talk to
us about smart money strategies for entrepreneurs and freelancers. Like
she's going to talk about creating financial as systems that
support our peace not stress, and Lord knows on this
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side of entrepreneurship they've enough stress. Okay, we need more peace.
She's going to help us figure out mindset shifts that
can help us rebuild our relationship with money in a
way that us to be able to see how we
can budget with the regular income, invest with the regular income.
What I love about Susan is she always has practical tools.
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Like last time she talked to us, she even gave
us like a budgeting tool, right, so you're gonna it's
like a class man practical tools for entrepreneurs and freelancers
to grow sustainable wealth and even think about our retirement, right,
what does that look like for us on this side?
Tickets are only a thousand bob. You can grab them
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notes and come through. Man. Let's end this year with
financial clarity and financial calm. It's on the twenty fifth
of October, which is this coming Saturday, nine am to
eleven am. Don't let this opportunity pass you by. Now,
let's get into this week's story. In this episode, you
are going to meet Steve Ataru. He is such an
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incredible storyteller. You learn this in a few minutes. He
talks about navigating life through the blessing of kindness from others,
but also really digs deep into some key aspects of fatherhood.
I'm trying so hard not to give it away, so
let's just jump into part one of Steve's story. A
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hundred African stories are legally clueless stories from Africa.
Speaker 2 (04:25):
Stevetaro, I have grown up all my life in Arobi,
live in different places within Aerobi. Lost my biological parents
very early, but I was fortunate enough raised by family
were considered dear to me till now. I think I've
been a product of just different environments I've grown up
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in Eastlands, so I have an island's experience. I've lived
in Juja, I have a Juja experience. I have lived
in Magnata, have a Langata experience. I have lived in
a boarding school in Aeroba, which is in aerobic school.
I was in Patch and that was an experience by itself.
I've also experienced a bit of what it is to
be outside Kenna, but preferred to come back and live
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my life in Ruby. Like I like my life here
in Kenya and Aeroby. It's it's home, it's it's way
I've known, and I think it's dear to me. School
has always been good for me. I was an easy
child in school, quick to you know, get concepts first,
to you know, respond to the things that one needed
of me, so naturally performed well. I think also there
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was the aspect of being fortunate enough to get situations
where you know, you can live with someone and and
you get a good quality life. So on your part
it is upon you too, you know, to really just
do well. So I made sure I did well. Campus
experience was interesting. I had a short stint abroad. It
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felt out of place. I had received it as a
partial scholarship, but you know everything about it, you know,
just nineteen years old, straight out of high school. And
as soon as I got it, it was a bit confusing.
But when I really just went out there and experienced
what it was like, I felt like I needed to
come back, not just being out of place, but also
being out of my desire to nature myself. Locally, the
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most interesting of countries in Europe was in Russia. They're
doing architecture. As a student there, there things, they're basic
things you have to do as you arrive there. You know,
you have to First of all, there's a language barrier.
You have to you have to set yourself up for
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functionality there. So even if you're qualified exam wise technically,
you still have to qualify yourself foundationally as a person.
You have to learn the language. You have to learn
expression of language in different forms. For instance, if I
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say one plus one is two, you say moja, gut moja.
You know it's it's it is not something right now.
It sounds so direct, but you have to put some
thought to it to be able to express it. And
that is what I'm talking about, being able to use
language to function. And so you have to go through that.
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If you are not able to pass that successfully, then
you fail. It wasn't a challenge to me actually being
a student in Kena. You realize once you go out
is that we are head in terms of the demand
that we put on children here to perform well, at
least at my time. So out there, it's tough, but
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we were able to manage us, Kennon. We're able to survive,
were able to meet the threshold, and that was it.
But I felt a bit out of place in my heart.
I knew that there were some things that I wanted
to pursue creatively. I knew I was a creative person.
I knew I was a person who, you know, just
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fiddled with ideas. I really didn't know what those would be.
But I knew a six year course in architecture wasn't
really going to be it for me. It would have
helped if I made a decision in Kenna, but I
needed to experience it and then decide, and I'm glad
that I did. So I came back and I started
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from scratch again. I cut my stage shirt actually within
that first year, just as I was completing my foundation
here to get it to my course, I then decided
not to finish and return. So that was It's a
deviout behavior in itself, because there's no way as a
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kan with an opportunity overseas that you say no. And
you know, but that is what was what I was saying,
and I am glad that also my person was able
to make decisions and stick to them. For my care giver,
you know, they imagine that the person who has sponsored
my trip, you know, because even if it's a scholarship
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or partial scholarship, the expenses to it, there is an
investment to it in you as a person being able
to go out there. But when you now say that
you don't think that you need to be there, it's
like a betrayal, and I understand it because of this
heavy investment that has been made on you as a person.
I'd say there was disappointment. There was a lot of,
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you know, disappointment on the other side because my family,
you know, have expectations and they have a desire to
see me succeed. But at this point it seems like
I'm losing my mind, you know it is you know,
what are you coming to do here? I still don't
know what do you have here? Do not have money,
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do not have a job. I just have this opportunity
that was like once in a lifetime opportunity. But I
decided not to take that fruit. It was a hard decision,
of course, it came with these challenges. I appreciate the
support that I received towards that opportunity, but I was
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honest enough to say that I did not think it
was for me, and I made the decision. Over the years,
I have learned that I am also one who is quick,
not necessarily quick, but who is able to make decisions
when they need to be made, and I have come
to appreciate that, even when it does not bring the
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best of experiences. After so, I decided to come back
start from scratch. I stayed idle for some time. I
am living up with a cousin. You know, day to
day you know, seemed like an endless loop of thoughts.
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I don't know whether I've made the right decision now,
because there's nothing there. Fortunately, I got an opportunity. I
had been fishing for opportunities to go back to school
in Kenya, pursuing something different in the creative world, and
I wanted to do something that was media related. So
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either production, film or journalism. So fortunately I got an
opportunity to start in Dayster and someone was able to
sponsor that. I think I had mentioned it earlier that
I'm a product of different environments and my success is
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really just as a combination of stories of effort from
different people who have seen something in me, and so
I'm thankful for that. So, you know, God has just
been taking care of me. That I moved from one
phase to the next. It seems very uncertain, but something
comes through. So I was in Dyster for the for
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My Cause period. I did causing electronic media, basically production,
but you know, a lot of it is I mixed
a school like this. You know, you have a lot
of liberal arts being taught there, so you come out
as a whole rounded person. Even if you're doing production.
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You have a lot of understanding of what it means
to deal with the human elements, the psychology of the person,
the economics of things as you're living, as you're working.
So I genuinely enjoyed the experience. I enjoyed the community
that I met there. I was specifically in Valley Road Campus.
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It's a different space compared to Ati River, but all
I liked about it is that I could have my
school time and also work time because I needed to
work at Hassle. You know, I'd do a few jobs
here and there. One time, a high school friend of
mine tells me he's doing something. He's selling art in
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the streets, like portraits. I bet you've seen, you know,
young guys in town. Was just walking with like a
like a painting. So I think, like he's never made
the artist who we were we were selling, who we
were selling his products. But you know, he'd have like
three or four portraits and we'd be selling them in
traffic along over the highway. It's like morning, we're there
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early when traffic is there, so we're working just alone.
No one actually ever bought the portect in traffic, but
we did manage to sell a few in some of
the hotels in town. So but it was with a
lot of difficulty. I remember we'd walk from Langata Tower
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sometimes and it was just it worked. But I I
also use that I think basically as a chating path
towards how I think in order to live my life.
I enjoy working, I enjoy being productive, and I enjoy
eating my works worth Collea, Yeah, that was my campus experience,
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but I did well in campus. Actually from campus I
had okay, maybe just a bit of my campus experience.
I did date in campus. You work with what you have.
I think I was genuinely looking to have some sort
of stability quite early, which I don't know whether that
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is something and advice to where I hang man right
now in campus, you know, relational stability, because I think
at the time there's a lot that it demanded from me,
and I don't know whether I was able to keep
up looking at everything as that was going on in
my life. Anyway, I desired to date, and I did
date in campus, unsuccessfully closing a relation that I had
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in campus. I think basically it was me just trying
to find out what all this was about. You know,
you're with a person. So now you first of all,
you you you know, you've met someone attractive, You've you've
interacted someone attractive, and you when i'm vibe, I'm longer
to and you you're not a your box. They are
like your books. Then you're like, yeah, what's next because
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there it seems like you settled, but you really aren't.
You have to meet the obligation of you know, appropriately
dating these person so whether it's going out and all that,
But you know, for me, on the other hand, I'm battling.
These are things I'm trying to to work. I'm trying
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to be in school, I'm trying to pay my bills
because I was still, you know now living on my own.
So I think for me, honestly, it was it was
as seeking in the dark moment. I wasn't really a
cognizant of what it meant. I didn't even know what
I was dating towards. It didn't work out in campus,
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So I dated but it didn't work out, and that
I realized right after campus because after campus, I got
hard into trying to set up a business. So how
that looks like is I put myself in a situation
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where I had a vision for projects that we were doing.
It was a production and typically you know production is
you video production, rather than the aim was to be
a content producer for shows in kind of one part,
want to start with and probably build up a portfolios
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as a credible content producer. Kenny back at the back,
back in the day, you know, it was fairly new,
and I think I saw opportunity in it where right
now you'd probably think of it as you developing a
show and selling it as content to show marks or
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whoever citizens they had. Viewsers are coming up later on,
and I look at the times, I'm like, I okay,
not shared viewsers. But anyway, there was a goal. And
so what that meant is that it demanded a lot
from me and more than I could. It demanded more
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than I could take for other areas. So I think
all that and many of the reasons my editing wasn't
really particularly good through campus and after then, Yeah, I
did manage to meet and I met her fairly soon
after I feelished the other relationship, and she was different. Actually,
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she's the one who reached out to me. She DM me,
which we were together at the same time in campus,
but we never spoke and we never really interacted. I'd
see her and you know, but you follow each other
on Instagram, like you know, how you'd follow someone who
you see in church or or in campus, or it
was like that. I remember one time I posted something
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and she she DMed me and she's like, I used
to go to the gym, so looking at certain way,
and you know, she was quite trying to remember how
that message went like something like, you know, if you
continue posting, you know things like these girls will be
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reaching out in your DM, like, oh, so I liked her,
I liked her boldness. Yeah, and we sort of got
to talking. I didn't ever think that this would be
the person I'd marry, and actually it was. That was
a journey by itself because we did date before marriage.
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We actually dated for a while and broke up, and
then I pursued her, and then we started dating, and
then we got married. I'd say the breakup was also
like a first moment of reflection on why we were
really dating. And that question, you know, I think came
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to me as an awakening because I think even when
I was dating, I never really asked myself the question
of why I was to what ended. For ladies, that
question comes sooner than it does for us as guys,
because for me, it's you know, I like you, so
why not let's date. At the time, I'm young, I'm
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still trying to take opportunity, so I'm not even really
thinking about where this should lead to. But when you're
confronted with that question, then you should be able to
give an answer. So I think, without saying too much
I don't think that in that initial phase of dating,
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we were ready to take up that journey, and it
needed for her to actually communicate that to me and
force me not to reflect. Even she was on her
own journey and there's some things she needed to fix
in her life. So even when the breakup was happening,
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in my heart, I tried to maintain hope that probably
you know, if it was meant to work out, then
it should, and so I gave it time. Should have
been a break of slightly over a year. I call
it a break, but we had had to quatch angulation.
I was now even building my life without the picture
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in my mind of her in my life. But I
think the seed of hope had been planted in a
conversation had had with a friend of mine, and I
actually realized this lady ticks off boxes of someone I
think I should I should spend my life with. I
thought about it, you know, as we were speaking, as
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a friend of mine is called and we speak, we
really have a lot of genuine conversations, and as we
were reflecting on the breakup, you know, it's well, I
would call it reflecting on breakup. It is just police
are trying to soothe yourself and troubleshoot. But as I
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thought to myself and we having that conversation, I realized, Oh,
this person actually qualifies to be someone I'd like to
spend my life with. So if actually an opportunity came,
I'd want to marry her. That's how I put it.
And that conversation ended. So as life went on and
we somehow bumped to each other in town again, and
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I quickly established that she was not dating. I think
I saw a window opportunity in doing things right, and
this time was very intentional. I'm the one who approached
her and you know, asked her whether she really just
wanted to hang out started off like that later on,
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you know, but want to officially started dating that in
the sense that you know, we're dating. And with that
I had a goal in mind. I had set a
goal to marry her. Not much of course, in terms
of resources, in terms of what that meant, but the
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intention was there to spend a lifetime with her. Because
I had actually thinking that out, less pressure on me
this time, less stress on me because even when I
had are things running, I think because I knew the
end goal of what was going on here. I knew
what I wanted as an end call. It made things easy.
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I was able to make some decisions better. I think
that's that's different when you are not able to when
you do not have the full picture in mind. It's
like in school. You you you're able to go through
the daily things of assignments, classes because you know you're
working towards a call. It becomes very difficult when you
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when you go through that every day without understanding what
the end is, what is in the end for you.
So I tried to compare it to that. It's it's
easier when you when you have when you know your why,
and so for me, I found that worked better. So
and we we, by God's grace, we got married. Now
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we have two children, two boys. So in the second
phase of dating, I was quite It was quite fast
because within a year I was like, yeah, let's get married. Yeah,
I knew exactly what I wanted. I didn't want to
waste time on it. So it was actually Remember she
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wasn't for the idea of moving that way. But I
remember one time we sat down on a date and
I was like, listen, this is what I'm looking to do.
So today I need to get her yes or no
in terms of are dating or not, because for a
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while we were like in a state of limbo, and
I think she was taken aback. It was like but
also I could see the it was like an sense
of confidence affirmed in her that this guy really, you know,
wants this. So that's in dating second time, I was
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quite fast and decisive in that way. We got our
first child two years into marriage. That was a joy
because it depends with how you approach marriage, but for us,
you know, we really wanted to to enjoy the journey
of parenthood quite so early. So it's fortunate that we
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were able to get a child in our first two years.
And it was just a whole other thing, a beautiful journey,
but it comes with its eyes and its lows from
being able to take up a project of raising as
someone like a whole human being. You two are responsible
for this person. I remember taking him from hospital and
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getting into the house and it's just so nervous that
he now, how do we how do we take here
this person? But God is so good, you know. It's
interesting that you step into that role so well that
you'd think you've done it before. For of course, you
learn things as you go along, but nothing that should
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not happen to that child actually does happen because you're
able to figure things out. Sometimes it would be just
that my wife wakes up and she looks at him
and she's like, he's not feeling well. Initially I wasn't
taking those things quite seriously because as a man sometimes
you try to focus on other things. You know, you're
thinking about the worst it will be. And but I
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learned quite early to take her intuition quite seriously because
it's part of what God places in her. The bone
between the mother and child is quite strong, and sometimes
they're able to just figure things out, even just suspect things,
and they actually do. I remember even our second child,
first one is called Bethel. A second child is then.
So then after being born, was he was quite you know,
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a normal baby, normal delivery process. Now complications, but at
some point he wasn't feeding quite well, and he'd, you know,
he'd he'd circle and soon after he'd like throw up.
Initially it looked like bupping, you know how they busiest
bup out the milk. But over time it looked, you know,
a bit unusual because it happened more and more. It's
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like fresh milk, so it's like he's not keeping it down.
We didn't make much of it. We thought, okay, it's
not troublesome. Then wakes up on a Sunday morning. Wake
up on a Sunday morning, he feeds as he's in
the room with the mom. I hear the mom, you know,
calling out, and I'm running back quickly, and I find
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her holding him in a position as if to releave
him from choking. And sure enough, he was choking on
like he was choking on milk which was trying to
come out. He did. She did manage to help him,
but she was like, no, I don't think then as well, I,
on the hand, was like I think it's okay. I
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think it's just a situation. I didn't make much of it.
So but she was insistent and she really wanted him
to get medical attention. I said, okay, you can take him.
I think I remember also on that morning, we had
one of those situations where I was like, I'm jack Osanna,
but Casara, you know, it happens like that. It's like, yeah,
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you're functioning but not really. So I was like, okay, yeah,
you just take him and we'll we'll we'll catch up.
I was I was on that morning, was going to
church as well. I think I had a few things
to do. So she proceeds and as I'm going to town,
she gives me a call right as I was getting
to where I was going to and she tells me
Zen is not well. They say he needs surgery. I'm like,
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hold up. I made an about turn and about that,
I turned around and I went back. I think I
didn't even There's a guy I met he you know,
he was about to shake my hand as it comes Alma.
I went back. I'm like, don't let them do anything
to Zen. I'm coming right now. So I went and uh,
this hospital, it's a clinic around home on Sundays. They're
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not busy, so they're not so many people around. So
but as I get in, I can hear the cry,
which is very distinct. It's then cried and all through
the hospital it's the only thing you can hear. So
I get in and you know, Mum is devastated. I
look for the doctor's doctor says, yeah, he needs surgery,
and I'm laughing. I'm like, you can't be serious. How
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do you operate. He's barely you know, out of his
bare living, you know, two months. How do you operate
on such a child? They say, we operate even on
a one, the old child. So I go look at
Zen and then is in distress. He's crying, he's he's
just in a lot of pain. And the other thing
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was that they did ask my wife not to feed him.
So he's not just crying out of discomfort of the pain,
but he's also hungry. And if you, if you there
are many annoying noises to hear around, you know, the
scratching over all, the nails, but the crying of hungry
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maybe something else. I don't think anyone wants to be
around that. It's endless, it is demanding, and it is unforgiving.
And to make it worse, it has an effect also
on mom because there's a connection between the two. So
we realized we needed to get him into surgery. And
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there is what I'm sharing. This is because I think
earlier I had said I have learned to learn the
to learn and respect the connection between mom and child,
and to take seriously the intuition that Ma'm has because
it could be life saving. What they have makes up
for a lot of things that technology can't explain. It's
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just one of those things that you'd say, God, you know,
has made so divinely accurate that you're able to see
something is wrong and call it out even before doctor
sees it. I had a child alone, man, I don't know.
So anyway, Yeah, we proceed to get medical consultancy on
the same day and it was confirmed he needed.
Speaker 1 (31:19):
To catch more African story. He's in the next episode
of Legally Culled. Oh my goodness, so many insights already
from Steve's story. I think the first one from you know,
the beginning of his story is just like understanding how
sometimes choosing yourself looks like disappointing others, but you still
have to take that act of courage, you know, when
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he left Russia to come back home. We're really conditioned
to like chase opportunities that look good on paper, but
they may not necessarily align with who we are becoming
or who we want to be. And you have to
be courageous enough to say, ah, I'm not going to
do it, and it might disappoint other than And that's
just part of it. Another thing he spoke to that
(32:04):
has come up but it's also going to come up
a lot more in Part two is for fathers and
men to really lean into the intuition that mothers have
over or within their relationship with their kids. I don't
think we talk about that, maybe because we don't have
(32:24):
the terminology, maybe because intuition is not tangible, right, But
you cannot deny that there is such a strong bond
between mother and child that we have to lean into
despite it not making sense to our brain. Does that
(32:46):
make sense? You know what I mean? And when he
talked about that, I was like, huh, here's a man
who gets it, you know what I mean? But what
did you connect with in part one of Steve's story?
Drop that in the comments? What are you waiting to
hear more of in part two? I love reading your
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My name is adele On Youngle and welcome to another
episode of Legally Clueless. No, seriously, i have no clue
what I'm doing, but I'm pretty sure I'm not the
only one. Hey, you welcome to this episode of Legally Clueless.
And this is what's coming up.
Speaker 2 (00:19):
Zane wakes up on a Sunday morning. We wake up
on a Sunday morning. He feeds. As he's in the
room with the mom. I hear the mom, you know,
calling out, and I'm running back quickly and I find
her holding him in a position as if to relieve
him from choking. Sure enough, he was choking on milk.
But she was like, no, I don't think zen as well. I,
(00:41):
on the other hand, was like, I think it's okay.
So but she was insistent and she really wanted him
to get medical attention. I said, okay, you can take him.
I think I remember also on that morning, we had
one of those situations where I was like, I'm jack Casana,
but Cosara, you know, as I'm going to town, she
(01:01):
gives me a call right as I was getting to
where I was going to as she tells me Zin
is not well. They say he needs surgery. I'm like,
hold up, don't let them do anything to Zin. I'm
coming right now. This hospital it's a clinic around home.
But as I get in, I can hear these cry,
which is very distinct. It's Zin cry, and all through
(01:21):
the hospital it's the only thing you.
Speaker 1 (01:23):
Can hear that is Steve Attaru. We're going to get
into part one of his very powerful story in a bit,
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side of entrepreneurship they've enough stress. Okay, we need more peace.
She's going to help us figure out mindset shifts that
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What I love about Susan is she always has practical tools.
(03:09):
Like last time she talked to us, she even gave
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notes and come through. Man. Let's end this year with
financial clarity and financial calm. It's on the twenty fifth
of October, which is this coming Saturday, nine am to
eleven am. Don't let this opportunity pass you by. Now,
let's get into this week's story. In this episode, you
are going to meet Steve Ataru. He is such an
(03:53):
incredible storyteller. You learn this in a few minutes. He
talks about navigating life through the blessing of kindness from others,
but also really digs deep into some key aspects of fatherhood.
I'm trying so hard not to give it away, so
let's just jump into part one of Steve's story. A
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hundred African stories are legally clueless stories from Africa.
Speaker 2 (04:25):
Stevetaro, I have grown up all my life in Arobi,
live in different places within Aerobi. Lost my biological parents
very early, but I was fortunate enough raised by family
were considered dear to me till now. I think I've
been a product of just different environments I've grown up
(04:46):
in Eastlands, so I have an island's experience. I've lived
in Juja, I have a Juja experience. I have lived
in Magnata, have a Langata experience. I have lived in
a boarding school in Aeroba, which is in aerobic school.
I was in Patch and that was an experience by itself.
I've also experienced a bit of what it is to
be outside Kenna, but preferred to come back and live
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my life in Ruby. Like I like my life here
in Kenya and Aeroby. It's it's home, it's it's way
I've known, and I think it's dear to me. School
has always been good for me. I was an easy
child in school, quick to you know, get concepts first,
to you know, respond to the things that one needed
of me, so naturally performed well. I think also there
(05:31):
was the aspect of being fortunate enough to get situations
where you know, you can live with someone and and
you get a good quality life. So on your part
it is upon you too, you know, to really just
do well. So I made sure I did well. Campus
experience was interesting. I had a short stint abroad. It
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felt out of place. I had received it as a
partial scholarship, but you know everything about it, you know,
just nineteen years old, straight out of high school. And
as soon as I got it, it was a bit confusing.
But when I really just went out there and experienced
what it was like, I felt like I needed to
come back, not just being out of place, but also
being out of my desire to nature myself. Locally, the
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most interesting of countries in Europe was in Russia. They're
doing architecture. As a student there, there things, they're basic
things you have to do as you arrive there. You know,
you have to First of all, there's a language barrier.
You have to you have to set yourself up for
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functionality there. So even if you're qualified exam wise technically,
you still have to qualify yourself foundationally as a person.
You have to learn the language. You have to learn
expression of language in different forms. For instance, if I
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say one plus one is two, you say moja, gut moja.
You know it's it's it is not something right now.
It sounds so direct, but you have to put some
thought to it to be able to express it. And
that is what I'm talking about, being able to use
language to function. And so you have to go through that.
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If you are not able to pass that successfully, then
you fail. It wasn't a challenge to me actually being
a student in Kena. You realize once you go out
is that we are head in terms of the demand
that we put on children here to perform well, at
least at my time. So out there, it's tough, but
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we were able to manage us, Kennon. We're able to survive,
were able to meet the threshold, and that was it.
But I felt a bit out of place in my heart.
I knew that there were some things that I wanted
to pursue creatively. I knew I was a creative person.
I knew I was a person who, you know, just
(08:02):
fiddled with ideas. I really didn't know what those would be.
But I knew a six year course in architecture wasn't
really going to be it for me. It would have
helped if I made a decision in Kenna, but I
needed to experience it and then decide, and I'm glad
that I did. So I came back and I started
(08:24):
from scratch again. I cut my stage shirt actually within
that first year, just as I was completing my foundation
here to get it to my course, I then decided
not to finish and return. So that was It's a
deviout behavior in itself, because there's no way as a
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kan with an opportunity overseas that you say no. And
you know, but that is what was what I was saying,
and I am glad that also my person was able
to make decisions and stick to them. For my care giver,
you know, they imagine that the person who has sponsored
my trip, you know, because even if it's a scholarship
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or partial scholarship, the expenses to it, there is an
investment to it in you as a person being able
to go out there. But when you now say that
you don't think that you need to be there, it's
like a betrayal, and I understand it because of this
heavy investment that has been made on you as a person.
I'd say there was disappointment. There was a lot of,
(09:30):
you know, disappointment on the other side because my family,
you know, have expectations and they have a desire to
see me succeed. But at this point it seems like
I'm losing my mind, you know it is you know,
what are you coming to do here? I still don't
know what do you have here? Do not have money,
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do not have a job. I just have this opportunity
that was like once in a lifetime opportunity. But I
decided not to take that fruit. It was a hard decision,
of course, it came with these challenges. I appreciate the
support that I received towards that opportunity, but I was
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honest enough to say that I did not think it
was for me, and I made the decision. Over the years,
I have learned that I am also one who is quick,
not necessarily quick, but who is able to make decisions
when they need to be made, and I have come
to appreciate that, even when it does not bring the
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best of experiences. After so, I decided to come back
start from scratch. I stayed idle for some time. I
am living up with a cousin. You know, day to
day you know, seemed like an endless loop of thoughts.
(10:58):
I don't know whether I've made the right decision now,
because there's nothing there. Fortunately, I got an opportunity. I
had been fishing for opportunities to go back to school
in Kenya, pursuing something different in the creative world, and
I wanted to do something that was media related. So
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either production, film or journalism. So fortunately I got an
opportunity to start in Dayster and someone was able to
sponsor that. I think I had mentioned it earlier that
I'm a product of different environments and my success is
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really just as a combination of stories of effort from
different people who have seen something in me, and so
I'm thankful for that. So, you know, God has just
been taking care of me. That I moved from one
phase to the next. It seems very uncertain, but something
comes through. So I was in Dyster for the for
(12:01):
My Cause period. I did causing electronic media, basically production,
but you know, a lot of it is I mixed
a school like this. You know, you have a lot
of liberal arts being taught there, so you come out
as a whole rounded person. Even if you're doing production.
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You have a lot of understanding of what it means
to deal with the human elements, the psychology of the person,
the economics of things as you're living, as you're working.
So I genuinely enjoyed the experience. I enjoyed the community
that I met there. I was specifically in Valley Road Campus.
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It's a different space compared to Ati River, but all
I liked about it is that I could have my
school time and also work time because I needed to
work at Hassle. You know, I'd do a few jobs
here and there. One time, a high school friend of
mine tells me he's doing something. He's selling art in
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the streets, like portraits. I bet you've seen, you know,
young guys in town. Was just walking with like a
like a painting. So I think, like he's never made
the artist who we were we were selling, who we
were selling his products. But you know, he'd have like
three or four portraits and we'd be selling them in
traffic along over the highway. It's like morning, we're there
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early when traffic is there, so we're working just alone.
No one actually ever bought the portect in traffic, but
we did manage to sell a few in some of
the hotels in town. So but it was with a
lot of difficulty. I remember we'd walk from Langata Tower
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sometimes and it was just it worked. But I I
also use that I think basically as a chating path
towards how I think in order to live my life.
I enjoy working, I enjoy being productive, and I enjoy
eating my works worth Collea, Yeah, that was my campus experience,
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but I did well in campus. Actually from campus I
had okay, maybe just a bit of my campus experience.
I did date in campus. You work with what you have.
I think I was genuinely looking to have some sort
of stability quite early, which I don't know whether that
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is something and advice to where I hang man right
now in campus, you know, relational stability, because I think
at the time there's a lot that it demanded from me,
and I don't know whether I was able to keep
up looking at everything as that was going on in
my life. Anyway, I desired to date, and I did
date in campus, unsuccessfully closing a relation that I had
(15:10):
in campus. I think basically it was me just trying
to find out what all this was about. You know,
you're with a person. So now you first of all,
you you you know, you've met someone attractive, You've you've
interacted someone attractive, and you when i'm vibe, I'm longer
to and you you're not a your box. They are
like your books. Then you're like, yeah, what's next because
(15:37):
there it seems like you settled, but you really aren't.
You have to meet the obligation of you know, appropriately
dating these person so whether it's going out and all that,
But you know, for me, on the other hand, I'm battling.
These are things I'm trying to to work. I'm trying
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to be in school, I'm trying to pay my bills
because I was still, you know now living on my own.
So I think for me, honestly, it was it was
as seeking in the dark moment. I wasn't really a
cognizant of what it meant. I didn't even know what
I was dating towards. It didn't work out in campus,
(16:19):
So I dated but it didn't work out, and that
I realized right after campus because after campus, I got
hard into trying to set up a business. So how
that looks like is I put myself in a situation
(16:40):
where I had a vision for projects that we were doing.
It was a production and typically you know production is
you video production, rather than the aim was to be
a content producer for shows in kind of one part,
want to start with and probably build up a portfolios
(17:04):
as a credible content producer. Kenny back at the back,
back in the day, you know, it was fairly new,
and I think I saw opportunity in it where right
now you'd probably think of it as you developing a
show and selling it as content to show marks or
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whoever citizens they had. Viewsers are coming up later on,
and I look at the times, I'm like, I okay,
not shared viewsers. But anyway, there was a goal. And
so what that meant is that it demanded a lot
from me and more than I could. It demanded more
(17:47):
than I could take for other areas. So I think
all that and many of the reasons my editing wasn't
really particularly good through campus and after then, Yeah, I
did manage to meet and I met her fairly soon
after I feelished the other relationship, and she was different. Actually,
(18:08):
she's the one who reached out to me. She DM me,
which we were together at the same time in campus,
but we never spoke and we never really interacted. I'd
see her and you know, but you follow each other
on Instagram, like you know, how you'd follow someone who
you see in church or or in campus, or it
was like that. I remember one time I posted something
(18:29):
and she she DMed me and she's like, I used
to go to the gym, so looking at certain way,
and you know, she was quite trying to remember how
that message went like something like, you know, if you
continue posting, you know things like these girls will be
(18:49):
reaching out in your DM, like, oh, so I liked her,
I liked her boldness. Yeah, and we sort of got
to talking. I didn't ever think that this would be
the person I'd marry, and actually it was. That was
a journey by itself because we did date before marriage.
(19:09):
We actually dated for a while and broke up, and
then I pursued her, and then we started dating, and
then we got married. I'd say the breakup was also
like a first moment of reflection on why we were
really dating. And that question, you know, I think came
(19:31):
to me as an awakening because I think even when
I was dating, I never really asked myself the question
of why I was to what ended. For ladies, that
question comes sooner than it does for us as guys,
because for me, it's you know, I like you, so
why not let's date. At the time, I'm young, I'm
(19:52):
still trying to take opportunity, so I'm not even really
thinking about where this should lead to. But when you're
confronted with that question, then you should be able to
give an answer. So I think, without saying too much
I don't think that in that initial phase of dating,
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we were ready to take up that journey, and it
needed for her to actually communicate that to me and
force me not to reflect. Even she was on her
own journey and there's some things she needed to fix
in her life. So even when the breakup was happening,
(20:33):
in my heart, I tried to maintain hope that probably
you know, if it was meant to work out, then
it should, and so I gave it time. Should have
been a break of slightly over a year. I call
it a break, but we had had to quatch angulation.
I was now even building my life without the picture
(20:58):
in my mind of her in my life. But I
think the seed of hope had been planted in a
conversation had had with a friend of mine, and I
actually realized this lady ticks off boxes of someone I
think I should I should spend my life with. I
thought about it, you know, as we were speaking, as
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a friend of mine is called and we speak, we
really have a lot of genuine conversations, and as we
were reflecting on the breakup, you know, it's well, I
would call it reflecting on breakup. It is just police
are trying to soothe yourself and troubleshoot. But as I
(21:44):
thought to myself and we having that conversation, I realized, Oh,
this person actually qualifies to be someone I'd like to
spend my life with. So if actually an opportunity came,
I'd want to marry her. That's how I put it.
And that conversation ended. So as life went on and
we somehow bumped to each other in town again, and
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I quickly established that she was not dating. I think
I saw a window opportunity in doing things right, and
this time was very intentional. I'm the one who approached
her and you know, asked her whether she really just
wanted to hang out started off like that later on,
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you know, but want to officially started dating that in
the sense that you know, we're dating. And with that
I had a goal in mind. I had set a
goal to marry her. Not much of course, in terms
of resources, in terms of what that meant, but the
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intention was there to spend a lifetime with her. Because
I had actually thinking that out, less pressure on me
this time, less stress on me because even when I
had are things running, I think because I knew the
end goal of what was going on here. I knew
what I wanted as an end call. It made things easy.
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I was able to make some decisions better. I think
that's that's different when you are not able to when
you do not have the full picture in mind. It's
like in school. You you you're able to go through
the daily things of assignments, classes because you know you're
working towards a call. It becomes very difficult when you
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when you go through that every day without understanding what
the end is, what is in the end for you.
So I tried to compare it to that. It's it's
easier when you when you have when you know your why,
and so for me, I found that worked better. So
and we we, by God's grace, we got married. Now
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we have two children, two boys. So in the second
phase of dating, I was quite It was quite fast
because within a year I was like, yeah, let's get married. Yeah,
I knew exactly what I wanted. I didn't want to
waste time on it. So it was actually Remember she
(24:17):
wasn't for the idea of moving that way. But I
remember one time we sat down on a date and
I was like, listen, this is what I'm looking to do.
So today I need to get her yes or no
in terms of are dating or not, because for a
(24:39):
while we were like in a state of limbo, and
I think she was taken aback. It was like but
also I could see the it was like an sense
of confidence affirmed in her that this guy really, you know,
wants this. So that's in dating second time, I was
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quite fast and decisive in that way. We got our
first child two years into marriage. That was a joy
because it depends with how you approach marriage, but for us,
you know, we really wanted to to enjoy the journey
of parenthood quite so early. So it's fortunate that we
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were able to get a child in our first two years.
And it was just a whole other thing, a beautiful journey,
but it comes with its eyes and its lows from
being able to take up a project of raising as
someone like a whole human being. You two are responsible
for this person. I remember taking him from hospital and
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getting into the house and it's just so nervous that
he now, how do we how do we take here
this person? But God is so good, you know. It's
interesting that you step into that role so well that
you'd think you've done it before. For of course, you
learn things as you go along, but nothing that should
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not happen to that child actually does happen because you're
able to figure things out. Sometimes it would be just
that my wife wakes up and she looks at him
and she's like, he's not feeling well. Initially I wasn't
taking those things quite seriously because as a man sometimes
you try to focus on other things. You know, you're
thinking about the worst it will be. And but I
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learned quite early to take her intuition quite seriously because
it's part of what God places in her. The bone
between the mother and child is quite strong, and sometimes
they're able to just figure things out, even just suspect things,
and they actually do. I remember even our second child,
first one is called Bethel. A second child is then.
So then after being born, was he was quite you know,
(26:51):
a normal baby, normal delivery process. Now complications, but at
some point he wasn't feeding quite well, and he'd, you know,
he'd he'd circle and soon after he'd like throw up.
Initially it looked like bupping, you know how they busiest
bup out the milk. But over time it looked, you know,
a bit unusual because it happened more and more. It's
(27:14):
like fresh milk, so it's like he's not keeping it down.
We didn't make much of it. We thought, okay, it's
not troublesome. Then wakes up on a Sunday morning. Wake
up on a Sunday morning, he feeds as he's in
the room with the mom. I hear the mom, you know,
calling out, and I'm running back quickly, and I find
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her holding him in a position as if to releave
him from choking. And sure enough, he was choking on
like he was choking on milk which was trying to
come out. He did. She did manage to help him,
but she was like, no, I don't think then as well, I,
on the hand, was like I think it's okay. I
(27:57):
think it's just a situation. I didn't make much of it.
So but she was insistent and she really wanted him
to get medical attention. I said, okay, you can take him.
I think I remember also on that morning, we had
one of those situations where I was like, I'm jack Osanna,
but Casara, you know, it happens like that. It's like, yeah,
(28:18):
you're functioning but not really. So I was like, okay, yeah,
you just take him and we'll we'll we'll catch up.
I was I was on that morning, was going to
church as well. I think I had a few things
to do. So she proceeds and as I'm going to town,
she gives me a call right as I was getting
to where I was going to and she tells me
Zen is not well. They say he needs surgery. I'm like,
(28:40):
hold up. I made an about turn and about that,
I turned around and I went back. I think I
didn't even There's a guy I met he you know,
he was about to shake my hand as it comes Alma.
I went back. I'm like, don't let them do anything
to Zen. I'm coming right now. So I went and uh,
this hospital, it's a clinic around home on Sundays. They're
(29:03):
not busy, so they're not so many people around. So
but as I get in, I can hear the cry,
which is very distinct. It's then cried and all through
the hospital it's the only thing you can hear. So
I get in and you know, Mum is devastated. I
look for the doctor's doctor says, yeah, he needs surgery,
and I'm laughing. I'm like, you can't be serious. How
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do you operate. He's barely you know, out of his
bare living, you know, two months. How do you operate
on such a child? They say, we operate even on
a one, the old child. So I go look at
Zen and then is in distress. He's crying, he's he's
just in a lot of pain. And the other thing
(29:45):
was that they did ask my wife not to feed him.
So he's not just crying out of discomfort of the pain,
but he's also hungry. And if you, if you there
are many annoying noises to hear around, you know, the
scratching over all, the nails, but the crying of hungry
(30:09):
maybe something else. I don't think anyone wants to be
around that. It's endless, it is demanding, and it is unforgiving.
And to make it worse, it has an effect also
on mom because there's a connection between the two. So
we realized we needed to get him into surgery. And
(30:32):
there is what I'm sharing. This is because I think
earlier I had said I have learned to learn the
to learn and respect the connection between mom and child,
and to take seriously the intuition that Ma'm has because
it could be life saving. What they have makes up
for a lot of things that technology can't explain. It's
(30:56):
just one of those things that you'd say, God, you know,
has made so divinely accurate that you're able to see
something is wrong and call it out even before doctor
sees it. I had a child alone, man, I don't know.
So anyway, Yeah, we proceed to get medical consultancy on
the same day and it was confirmed he needed.
Speaker 1 (31:19):
To catch more African story. He's in the next episode
of Legally Culled. Oh my goodness, so many insights already
from Steve's story. I think the first one from you know,
the beginning of his story is just like understanding how
sometimes choosing yourself looks like disappointing others, but you still
have to take that act of courage, you know, when
(31:41):
he left Russia to come back home. We're really conditioned
to like chase opportunities that look good on paper, but
they may not necessarily align with who we are becoming
or who we want to be. And you have to
be courageous enough to say, ah, I'm not going to
do it, and it might disappoint other than And that's
just part of it. Another thing he spoke to that
(32:04):
has come up but it's also going to come up
a lot more in Part two is for fathers and
men to really lean into the intuition that mothers have
over or within their relationship with their kids. I don't
think we talk about that, maybe because we don't have
(32:24):
the terminology, maybe because intuition is not tangible, right, But
you cannot deny that there is such a strong bond
between mother and child that we have to lean into
despite it not making sense to our brain. Does that
(32:46):
make sense? You know what I mean? And when he
talked about that, I was like, huh, here's a man
who gets it, you know what I mean? But what
did you connect with in part one of Steve's story?
Drop that in the comments? What are you waiting to
hear more of in part two? I love reading your
(33:06):
comments and I just love having you being an active
participant of this family. So wherever you're listening to this,
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(33:29):
burning story that you want to share. It's linked in
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(33:50):
tickets to upcoming wellness talk. Thank you so much for
listening to this show to the very end. I truly
appreciate you. I don't just say that, I truly do,
and I think you have every single thing it takes
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