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March 12, 2021 44 mins

Meet Joyce White Vance, the MSNBC legal analyst, law professor, podcaster, and chicken raiser (among her many talents). You know her from tv where she uses her experience as a prosecutor to explain the consequences of the bad and very bad behavior we experienced for four years. An incredibly well-rounded person, the five things that make her life better are...

Joyce Vance’s 5 Things: 1. Swedish baked goods, 2. Chickens, 3. Zoom drinks with girlfriends, 4. My German Shep, Bella, 5. Family meals.

Lisa Birnbach’s 5 Things: 1. My mother’s caregivers, 2. Skincare and skincare bonding #EveLom and Augustinus Bader, 3. Dr. Jill Biden, 4. The tuna salad at Gentile’s Fine Food on Madison Avenue, NYC, 5. Pajamas.

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