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May 14, 2021 54 mins

Senator Al Franken has returned to civilian life. He is a hands-on grandpa, a podcaster, a talker, and a policy wonk. When we met for breakfast recently -- duly separated by 6 feet -- he was interrupted constantly by supportive New Yorkers urging him to run for something, anything.  He still wants to help Americans, by providing help for the needy or by providing a laugh or two.  Does he want to talk about what happened to him? Not really. He is looking forwards, not backwards.

Lisa Birnbach's Five things that make life better: 1) A kiss from her Grandexhibit ™, 2) Santa Barbara, 3. Recording her podcasts with her son, 4. Palm trees, 5. Inspiration

Al Franken's Five Things: 1. Friends, 2. Policy, 3. Laughing and Comedy, 4. Grandchildren, 5. His wife, Franny


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