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Wes (00:00):
as a young man and even when you got married before you
know, but dating your wife andstuff for y'all, seeing each
other she made you feel acertain type of way that was
more than just lust for her body.
Right, you have to say yes,don't get yourself in trouble.
You have to say yes, okay.
So that's what I've been inthat situation where you're like

(00:22):
, damn, I just want her and youcan't have her because
everything seems to be smoothand easy and y'all can talk for
hours and you don't have thatshit with nobody else, just for
that person to be like you knowwhat I need?
Dick, nothing else.
And you'd be like what the fuck?
And he's been holding that backfor years.
Come on, now I'll give her adick that one night.

(00:46):
Welcome back to another episodeof the According to Wes podcast
.
As always, we got D-Law here.

DeLaw (00:53):
We got D-Law, I couldn't think of anything else to say.
I'll just be the devil's son oflaw today.

Wes (01:00):
You got me Wes fucking around and finding out.

DeLaw (01:04):
Yep Got his boxing robe on.

Wes (01:08):
Pretty much.
I ain't gonna lie Roses withhoods are the best.
Man Are the best.
I need to look into differentversions of this because this
one gets the job done, but Iwant one that's made out of the
terry cloth material, like yourtowel.

(01:28):
I need one of them.
Things fresh out the shower,type shit.
Yo, that's what it is aboutbeing an OG.
You start looking into stufflike that where you just like yo
, these young motherfuckersain't hip to shit like this.
That's how you be in your housewearing all your chains and
shit, nothing but your drawers,your roof and your chains on.

DeLaw (01:51):
I mean, that's the safest place to have your chains on.

Wes (01:54):
At this day and age, hell yeah, and especially where I
live at.
Especially where I live at.
All right, drink Ch, drinkshirt, what are you drinking?

DeLaw (02:10):
vodka.

Wes (02:11):
I am taking it easy and drinking wine.
I have things to do today andtomorrow of course you would
have things to do today.
I would have things to do today.
Now I gotta go see my mom shepicked up something for me and
tomorrow, of course, you wouldhave things to do.
Today, I would have things todo today.
I got to go see my mom shepicked up something for me, me
and my wife, and I'll be enoughto get.

(02:32):
Usually, when I go over there,it's at least a couple hours of
me being over there.
That's where I'll be.

DeLaw (02:43):
That sounds like an easy go.

Wes (02:47):
Nah, we've discussed on this podcast numerous times how
my mom is, so, yeah, I mightthink it's going to be an easy
go, but it could be straight.
I need you to do this Tuesday,I need you to do this Wednesday,
I need you to do this Thursday,and two weeks from now I could
be walking into an itinerary ofa to-do list from her, so we'll

(03:09):
see.
Well, already I hit up one bymy sister for, uh, this
fundraising season already forthe kids and shit, some of them
support your nephew, blah, blah,blah.
Uh, there's two weeks, thisfundraiser, for two weeks.
I said two weeks.
I said, yo, how you know, youain't just give me one, a
non-payday I mean non-pay, youknow what I mean like that money

(03:30):
already allocated, which iswhat we do you want you to
unallocate it yeah, heck of mymom.
well, you always use your creditcard.
I'm like no, and my nephew inthe background because, uh, they
was going somewhere talkingabout some uncle Wes, I want a
drone.
I said I got you a drone forChristmas.
Here, my sister, that's like athousand points, you're not

(03:50):
getting that.
And I'm just like well, hewasn't getting it because he got
a drone for Christmas, so forme.

DeLaw (03:57):
So I got one what you need, another one for what you
do with the other one Littleneighbor broke that motherfucker
.

Wes (04:05):
This is What'd you do with the other one little nigga
Probably broke.
That motherfucker Doesn'tsurprise me.
Nah, I mean doesn't surprise meeither.
Damn kid is always breakingsome shit.
His own was $30.
It wasn't a lot of money.

DeLaw (04:17):
Hey, but you know what?

Wes (04:20):
You did it, you got it.
He was excited and he playedwith that motherfucker about
like three weeks straight.
So, hey, it is what it is.
So what's your boy diddy?

DeLaw (04:34):
man, you know.

Wes (04:39):
So you admit, that's your boy.

DeLaw (04:40):
So sometimes you know you just got to.
You got to.
You had the baby for when yourub it on the lady at the pool.
You know what I'm saying.
You know the guy makes surethey look nice and silky.
I'm not sure what they'reaiming for with getting baby oil
or getting the track Like what,is it illegal to have that much
baby oil?

Wes (05:02):
If everybody's consenting, quote, unquote keyword
consenting consenting yeah, yobust on everybody that you can.
If everyone's consenting tothat, hey, it is what it is what
it is have your fun.

DeLaw (05:16):
I was like and you might be.
Obviously we gotta argue aboutit but yeah, hold, hold.

Wes (05:22):
I need to hear how y'all got into arguing about this
Because I told her.

DeLaw (05:26):
I said well, it's weird to me that all these white
motherfuckers could do all this,all the same shit that R Kelly,
bill Cosby and Puff have beendoing.
All these white motherfuckersdone it, been caught doing it,
admitted to doing it, theunderage chicks said they did it
and none of them are beingpersecuted like this.

Wes (05:45):
He deleted himself, supposedly Also.
The other thing is the tapes.
I forgot what they did.
You said it's the tapes, theblackmailing, that's against the
law as well it would be.

DeLaw (06:04):
That did you say.
Because you said that it's thetapes, the blackmailing?

Wes (06:07):
You cannot.
That's against the law as well.
Yeah, that's against the law.
So it would be that and theother raid traffic.

DeLaw (06:11):
Once again, that's prior probation.
Yeah, okay.

Wes (06:16):
That's what Epstein was in jail for.
Remember the list, the tapesit's puff.
What that mean it's puff.
So what'd you tell your wifewhat y'all?
How you make her mad I said.

DeLaw (06:29):
I said I said it's always weird to me how you could talk
about the white man and all thisblah blah as soon as it's a
black man, do y'all all up inarms about the black man doing
this and lock him up.
I'm like, so not only have younot said lock up the white man,
you're saying lock up yourniggas and then complain you
ain't got enough black niggasout here like how does that make

(06:50):
sense?
That makes sense they weapon upwomen and not like black men no
, no, no, no.

Wes (06:59):
It's real simple and I'm pretty sure you ain't think
about this angle.
Those white folks aren't ourcommunity.
So we're going to speak loudestabout our community because
it's what we know and who weknow and who we see all the time
.
So we don't know how otherwhite people thought about those
things, because we ain't inthose rooms and we ain't in

(07:19):
those groups.
We ain't sitting next to Susanand Tim as they discuss that.
So that's the only pushback Igive against that.
I don't think black people aremore or less like this, this and
that Now the media will alwaysdemonize us, if you want to put
it that way.
But when the same attention theWeinstein stuff got, that's the

(07:40):
same attention that.

DeLaw (07:42):
Diddy did.

Wes (07:43):
So it be the media.
The words they choose to saymight be a little different.
Same level of attention.

DeLaw (07:49):
Hey, look, from what I've been hearing from the Black
women community, they've onlyspoke harshly of the three
people that have gone, or thetwo of them.

Wes (08:01):
Right, because that's our community.
You think they give a F aboutRoman Polanski or Harvey
Weinstein or Jeffrey Epstein, orI can continue to name the
seven heavens guy.
Remember the guy that?

DeLaw (08:15):
paid him.

Wes (08:17):
We're not, I don't care, you don't care.

DeLaw (08:23):
I get what you're saying, but my whole thing was even so,
if he gets found not guilty,and then y'all just lock him up.
Lock him up, mike.
Is that how you feel my thingwas?
Is that how y'all feel aboutevery black man?
And then you complain thatblack men don't like, black
women like if your black man issaying that he's innocent.

(08:46):
I'm not saying Puff is innocent, I'm not saying Coddly's
innocent he's on the floor.

Wes (08:53):
It's going to be really hard to see him being innocent
in anything.
Then when you see those videosagain, those things, it's kind
of like it's not swaying myjudgment only because I already
thought he was a little weird,because he said these things
before we even knew that thiswas going on.

DeLaw (09:12):
I'm not saying that none of the three black men that have
been locked up that have beenpeople who we've grown up
watching and listening to ourown lives.
I'm not saying that they wereinnocent, saying that they were
innocent.
But I told her, I said, ifthat's the case, you practically
said that anytime a black manis accused of this crime,
whether he's guilty or not, youwant them locked up.
I could be accused.

(09:32):
I could if I was still ateacher.
I could have been accused ofraping a kid, knowing good and
well that I ain't do nothing tono kid, don't even know the damn
kid.
You want to say lock me upbecause that's what, like that's
the energy that has beenpresented.

Wes (09:46):
So why did your wife get mad?
Because, did you say?
Are you saying, did you say toher that yo, is that how you
feel?
Yeah, what she said.

DeLaw (09:55):
She said I didn't understand.
She said that he's the this isthis and he's been trafficking
women and he deserves to go tojail.
He's a.
She's pretty much just goingoff what she saw and just I
think y'all missed each other'spoint.

Wes (10:09):
Y'all missed each other's point.

DeLaw (10:10):
Probably.
She always says I always defendmen.
And I said well, you alwaystake up every woman's side,
whether they're lying or not.
It just kept going downhill.
I'm not saying that it wasgoing uphill, it kept going
downhill.
I mean, I'm not saying that itwas going uphill, it kept going
downhill.
Uh, what that you know?
I guess I was like I call itwhat it is.

(10:33):
It is wrong and the evidence isthere.
Hey, lock him up.
The evidence is there.
If there ain't no evidence,what do you?
What are you saying lock him up, for if there's no evidence
that he's done anything, why areyou mad at me?
Because I said that I thinkhe'll get off, because
everything's circumstantial.
You can't, just because I'mlooking at, I ain't gonna lie.

Wes (10:53):
I had the same flack for saying that none of this shit
seems.
All this shit, none of thisshit seems.
What was the Tory Lanez andMegan Thee Stallion situation?
I gave a very neutral uh thing.
I didn't say I was for tori, Ididn't say I was for meg, I was
like the way these thingstypically play out, this don't

(11:16):
sound right.
No, and then I yo, I gotcrucified by two women at the
same time but like, once again,they were missing the point that
I was trying to make it and sowrapped up into emotion and I
get it like I, I love, I loveblack women in general, I love
women in general.

(11:37):
So it's one of those thingswhere, like, I don't ever want
to see them not being women like, or being treated like women
and stuff like that and being,you know, um, adored and shit
like that.
Like I think it's dope, likethe fact of what they are for us
.
You know what I mean.
So I get wifey's part, but I, Itruly understand your part

(11:57):
because I'm a man, because it's.
It's one of those things likegive the man a fair shake,
because we look at it as we getlied on so much and all the time
and things get skewed that Idon't want to ever be in that
situation.
And she's looking at it like,well, look, women get hurt and
killed and whatever, whatever.
She don't want to be in thatsituation, right.

(12:18):
But we don't know the facts.
We don't know the facts, right.
And I'm just like when we knowthe facts, right, and I'm just
like so when we know the fact.
That's when we can all say thatnigga need to go to jail right I
was because someone can say, oh, I was traffic, but you know,
maybe he has some proof, or justlike yo, nah, she just kept
coming to his house.
So she just kept coming to theparties on her own accord you

(12:40):
know you don't know, you don'tknow right and some of this
stuff is.
It's in this.
It is in a manner where youwould never know, because it is
secret.
So it's kind of like only himand those people know.
That's how it's going to turnout.

DeLaw (12:54):
I know.
This is why I tell it sometimeslike it's hard to have
discussions about this, becauseit's too it's one thing if we're
talking about somethingspecific.
And I remember I brought upthis thing to her, I said I
think women blindly believewomen, regardless of the
situation.
And I told her this about thememe I think I sent you the meme

(13:16):
about the guy going up to womenasking them and this is black
and white.
With any woman, do you thinkLizzo's cute?
Oh yeah, she's bad, oh yeah,she's sexy.
And then he'd turn around andsay, well, you know what you
look like, Lizzo.
And then he'd get very offendedby it, Like what do you mean.
What?
At his room he just said thatshe's bad, she's sexy, she's a

(13:37):
bad bitch.
I thought that's a complimentand that's like they get.

Wes (13:41):
They get so, um, here's the word they get so, uh, they get.
They get so, um, uh, strongwhen it comes to like supporting
each other, which you should do.
You should, yeah, but theydetached themselves, react from
reality about how you should,you know, promote somebody or
big them up and stuff, and theirmain commodity would always be

(14:02):
beauty.
So you're gonna say like you'rea woman's way of like bigging
someone up or saying like yousupport them as how beautiful
and whatever, whatever they are,and this, this and that, but
once you hear like oh, you looklike Lizzo.
And then, when they snap totheir senses, you calling me fat
and it's just like Right.

DeLaw (14:21):
Because that's what I say .
If a girl was like do you thinkTyrone Hill is a good?

Wes (14:27):
looking dude be like.
No, he's ugly as shit.

DeLaw (14:30):
We're going to tell you how it is because we're not
going to look at this and belike Tyrone Hill.
You know who this nigga wasvoted most ugliest nigga in the
world, on every continent butthat's once again.

Wes (14:43):
That's something that women hold to a high standard, which
is their beauty.
Now, if it was us and you'd belike yo, tyron will be getting
money like that.
You'd be like man.
I got more money than thatmother.
Don't be saying I'll be gettingmoney like tyron you know what
I mean I'm using that as anexample.

(15:05):
I'm just saying if he was likenot making money.
But you get what I mean.

DeLaw (15:10):
I know what you mean.

Wes (15:11):
Reverse you could be good looking.
But and somebody asked Tyrone,like yo, you getting money like
D-Lo, who the fuck?
Who is that?
Like you know what I mean,it'll be that type of reaction
Will you get money, like west.

DeLaw (15:30):
It'll be that type of reaction.
It's just about what we covet,as you know, the pinnacle of
like whatever, whatever, and Idon't think there's that many
dudes that'll be like, well, notany dudes who are completely
straight that will be like ohyeah, more shenanigans.
Oh, that's a sexy nigga.

Wes (15:40):
You're not gonna say no, it's how you answer.
It's how you answer thequestion.
It's how you answer thequestion.

DeLaw (15:48):
He's a good looking brother.

Wes (15:49):
It's not even I ain't even going that far.
I'm like yo.
I can see why the ladies dighim.
You know what I mean.
He carries himself as ahandsome man.

DeLaw (16:00):
That is it or he's not a bad looking guy?

Wes (16:03):
He's not a bad looking guy.
I always start my stuff off.
I can see why women like him.

DeLaw (16:12):
I'm not in that yeah, I mean, I think this is like
almost a perfect example of howmen and women use logic to
answer questions, becausethere's ain't no way that, all
of a sudden, I'm just going homeand say, tyrone Hill, yeah man,
he's a good-looking dude man.
Well, you look like Tyrone Hill.
Hold on, why me I go that far?

(16:32):
Nah, I'm going to take Nah.
So if someone told you theylook like you, look like Tyrone
Hill, is that offensive?
Hell yeah, that's offensive asshit.
Fuck you shit, Logic man we justslam back to reality and I get
the whole.
Women want to be there forwomen, but it's funny how guys
don't feel that way and we havebetter relationships with each

(16:54):
other and women barely like eachother, but they want to stand
up for each other.
It's the wildest shit.

Wes (17:07):
Listen, I would never say don't continue to stand up for
women.
Women, other women just knowhow to do it right, so you ain't
looking all crazy out here.
Just like men know how to standup for other men and say state
facts without with knowing howto do it right, you don't.
You don't stand up for theegregious stuff or this, this,
and that it's just more or lesslike yo, I know how that is for

(17:28):
a man and maybe he was trying tothis, this, this, this and this
and blah blah, blah thing, blahblah.
Giving the man's point of view,because you understand that
sometimes women support butdon't never get the woman's
point of view.
So we can't, but we can seetheir support as logical, right,
it's straight emotion, full gas.

(17:49):
And you like well, why do youthink that?
And you got to pull back allthese layers and you're like
okay, I get how you think thator why you're saying that, but
it's 30 minutes later I'm gonnamess with this girl man.

DeLaw (18:04):
And when her first off I met her at the liquor store, she
was working there and I pulledup and I was like, hey, you know
, you want like we're havingpeople, I'm having people over
at the house, like, do you wantto come through?
She's like well, where you live.
I said, well, this is my phonenumber, just text me if you want
to come through.
So she texted me, whatever.

(18:24):
So we met up.
I think the first time I mether, I think I gave her a kiss
or some shit, like she was cool.

Wes (18:30):
What are you doing On the cheek or in the mouth, in the
mouth?

DeLaw (18:36):
I'm trying to get the pussy nigga.

Wes (18:38):
So you did it on the mouth In the mouth, yeah.

DeLaw (18:41):
She invites me over, like I want to say.
A couple days later I went overa couple times and she was
saying to me one time she waslike you know.
I said you know she's like letme guess I look like Jill Scott
because she was Jill Scott'ssize and I was like no, I said
you really look like GabrielleUnion, and she was like, huh, I

(19:05):
take a BB dough.

Wes (19:06):
No, I said you really look like Gabrielle Union and she was
like huh, I take a BB dough.
Gabrielle Union, face all daythe chocolate too.

DeLaw (19:12):
She kind of thought I was lying to her right and I was
like, no, no, no, I said you gotto see it from my perspective.
I'm looking at your face.
You got the little Gabrielledimples, yeah, the dimples.
And again I'm seeing GabrielleUnion, gabriel dimples.
Yeah, I'm seeing gabriel union.
Yes, you, your body wise.
You you've got jill scott bodya little slimmer than jill scott

(19:32):
, but nonetheless the jill scott.
But in the face you've got thegabriel union dimples and she's
like wow, that's very articulateof you.
I don't know how we ended uptalking about god and make it
out, but ended up talking aboutGod and making out.
Well, we started talking aboutGod and making out and then I
hit the chain and she told me Iwas weak.

Wes (19:48):
I was like yeah, could you even imagine how that
conversation goes?
And then you're like oh, shetold you it was weak the day of.

DeLaw (19:56):
No.
So we started fucking and shesaid, yeah, it was cool.
No, it was kind of weak, Like Iain't gonna hold you like that
whole doing this slow.
I'm a little bigger, I'm gonnaneed you to fuck me.
I said, oh, OK, that's it.

Wes (20:12):
It does, that's it she got this shit up again.

DeLaw (20:19):
Man went to that thing.

Wes (20:19):
It's funny, I got you.

DeLaw (20:21):
She was like thank you for fucking me.
She was like pull my hair.
I pulled it up.

Wes (20:30):
I know we got to get off topic.
If it's the first session, ofcourse we try to figure out
what's what.
She was honest.
I respect the honesty.
I respect giving me a secondchance.
That's not even what I reallydo.
I could do that.
I just didn't know you was thattype of woman.
Here I go.

DeLaw (20:50):
I mean when she bet that thing, it's on me.
When I bet that thing over that, everyone was like, oh, you hit
it from the back.
When I see it, it was justperfect.
And that thing pulled at hisnight.
That she's like okay, I coulddeal with this.
Yes, I had left.
So I left her house that day,went to class my classes are

(21:13):
pretty early.
I was working for the feds atthe time too.
Um no, I wasn't working for thefeds.
I think I had lost my job oneway or another.
I was doing something.
She called and she's like so,like that's how it is, you're
gonna fuck me and just like roll.
I was like it's been literally8 hours.
I just left your house not toolong ago yo, I was talking to my

(21:33):
homie about that.

Wes (21:34):
I was like yo, you just can't be putting down immaculate
dick and for some reason, onceyou do that, it's like yo, we go
together.
I gotta call you right afternow, or but this, this and that.
But that's my experience beforeI hung my jersey up.
That's always what it's been.
If you put down that, just beprepared to be like yo, you know
I had a good time.
Blah, blah, blah, blah, blah.

(21:54):
Send a couple of those off yourshit go.
But other than that, they won'tbe super pissed Like.
You treated him like a hoe, eventhough you did and when I say
this, I mean this in the mostrespectful way, from my
experience, even though I am outthe game.
When it's time to have sex oryou know, whatever you do with
your woman or whatever have youin the bedroom, they want you to

(22:15):
treat them like a hoe.
And when I say that, I meanjust do all the nasty shit that
you would probably do to her.
They love that shit.
Yeah, and they love that shit.
And once you do that, youcontinue to treat them like a
lady afterwards.
Yeah, but that's on you.
You know what I mean.

DeLaw (22:32):
I will say, if I had started fucking her consistently
I could have dealt with that.

Wes (22:40):
She was cool, I mean she had a good spirit about it.

DeLaw (22:46):
Yeah, like honestly, honestly, pure keeper of like,
yes, this, this is I'll do, thisis perfect.
But at that point in time inlife I you know what I'm saying
I was messing with Hawaii.
You know what I'm saying?

(23:06):
I was messing with Hawaii.
No, no, no, I wasn't messingwith Hawaii.
I was.
What was I doing?
Because I want to say I hadjust lost my job at the feds for
that assault charge with.
I just got laid off.
So I wasn't I was messing withher and I was messing with this

(23:31):
other jank, little light skinjank that was kind of that was
kind of cute, with nice littlethick ass.
I mean, I was messing with acouple different janks, so it
didn't necessarily fall in lineTo what I needed.

Wes (23:49):
You know what I'm saying, I get it.

DeLaw (23:53):
Because you know what like?
If it was like so, let's say,in that time of my life, me and
you had moved in together and wewere just living bachelor life,
it would have lined up Becausethen she could come through, I
could go there, but I was livingwith my parents, still going to
school, and it didn't line uptoo much.

Wes (24:10):
because it's like you need a place to do that, and
everybody else had a place whereyou can kind of just kind of.

DeLaw (24:16):
Yeah, even if I had my own spot and she was like well,
you want me to come through?
Yeah, come through, because sheworked down the street from my
parents' house and you.

Wes (24:27):
Yeah, yeah, yeah.

DeLaw (24:29):
But it could have been all right, well, just come over.
So I'd be like, hey, I'll seeyou in a couple of days, fam, go
chill over there, go to class,go back there, whatever, come
home.
You know what I'm saying.
It would be an easiertransaction than having to go
home, and not not that I had togo home, but if I'm like, well,
I'm gonna go to my crib, if youwant to come through where I
have to work, just come through.

(24:49):
It was none of that.
It's always there.
So if she was like, well, I'mnot gonna be home, I got
somebody over here because itwas just one of them things like
, well, somebody's over here.
So I holler, all right, cool,it's, it was.
It just wasn't feasible at thetime to manage that.
But pure keeper.
I mean pure keeper even for herbeing of a bigger size.

(25:11):
Pure keeper because if I lookback, it really wasn't my type,
we just vibe.
It was the weirdest it wasn't.

Wes (25:21):
I always that's a lie, I was about to say always took the
vibe over anything.
Um, no, that's no, that's not.
That's not a lie, that is thetruth.
What I looked for.
It was different, but usuallywhat I look for and went after I
, this shit, just didn't meshwell and it was always like,

(25:41):
well, yeah, I could rock withthis and so I get that so that
was that was that.

DeLaw (25:48):
So wifey got mad because she's like you don't understand
basically pretty much yeah,that's that's how it over,
that's how it always is.
It's not that I go out my wayto defend men, but I will always
say and I'm alwaysstraightforward about it She'd
be like oh well, she cheated onhim because he ignored her.

(26:10):
That's still no reason to cheat.
No, no, just in general.

Wes (26:17):
If something happened with a man or a woman, if I told her,
I understand women and thesomething about this last
episode like I understand likewomen and the ignoring thing and
you feel like you gotta, likeyou need that, but I almost
rather you do the emotional shitwith somebody else than just
like opening up your legsbecause, how does your legs be

(26:39):
the first thing?
or has the emotional thinghappening and you got charmed
out of your panties and shitlike that.
So it's kind of like two thingshappen you gave my shit away
first thing, or, as theemotional thing happened, and he
, you got charmed out of youryou know your panties and shit
like that.
So it's kind of like two thingshappen you gave my shit away
and you and you shit.
You know what I mean.
So it's kind of like come onnow, and if you gave my shit
away and just that, then it'skind of like you ain't really
like you to begin with, becauseit shouldn't have been that easy

(26:59):
because I know we we watchedone movie.

DeLaw (27:01):
This is why a lot of times I don't watch movies with
her about things where someonedoes infidelity in a
relationship because I don'teven know why you're not lying.
Because, regardless of who it is, the funny part is.
Here's the funny part,regardless of who it is that
does it.
My thing is if they're married,why are you cheating?
So, even if it's the woman thatcheats, I condemn them the same

(27:22):
way.
A man, if he goes out there andhe cheats in a movie, I'm like
nigga, like why are you fuckingup?
And she'd be like oh, oh, oh,oh you.
Finally, on the woman's side, Isaid I'm on the side of your
man, right and wrong as well.
Like, if you're married, whyare you doing that?
Well, he tried to talk to her.
Let's say it's the woman shetried to talk to him.

(27:43):
I said but you go and cheat,regardless of whether or not you
try to talk to him or whatever,or you're tired of it.
How many?

Wes (27:52):
movies are y'all watching?
When it's stuff like that,maybe my wife don't watch none.

DeLaw (27:55):
It's a lot of them.

Wes (27:59):
I'm not saying it's not a lot of movies like that.
I'm like why are y'all watchinga lot of movies?
Well, we don't know, that'scoming.

DeLaw (28:07):
A lot of times we'll watch a TV series and it'll be a
husband and wife and the nextthing you know one of them is
Right and it's just like are youserious?
And I can look at it like how wekeep finding this shit.
But you know, because I saywhat I say, she says what she
says and I look all right,whatever.

(28:27):
And then that's it.
I'm not going to get in a wholediscussion with you about it.
After whatever's said, we canwatch some movie and keep it
going.
And then we go to counselingand, you know, figure our own
marriage out to make sure we'renot going straight.
You know what I'm saying.
So to figure our own marriageout to make sure we're not going

(28:48):
straight, you know what I'msaying.
It's always something.

Wes (28:51):
Fuck, yeah, I remember my wife was discussing that.
It wasn't really too much ofanything, I just gave my
viewpoints on it.
I didn't even give myviewpoints on it, I gave what
was given to us because shedidn't know anything about it.
I didn't even get my viewpointson it, I gave what was given to
us because she didn't knowanything about it.
I said what jokes I had to sayand it was just kind of like.
I was just like it'sunfortunate.

(29:12):
I was like your boy seems likean addict, psycho addict, power
addict, like he was just likedrug addict.
He was just, yeah, addictbehaviors, that's all.
That's what it sounds like.

DeLaw (29:25):
I think with getting into the industry he got into
especially having to crawl hisway up from the bottom, from
being where he was, being thenext in command and a record
label to be cut.
It's a different power feelingthat you started from the bottom
and you really hit.

Wes (29:48):
You're the biggest name You've made so many.
I'm going to tell you like thiswhen I heard Andre Herrera I
think that was the guy that wasin Uptown Records, whatever that
was his label when he did aninterview and I heard him say
like sometimes he said he had tofire Puff because Puff was just
like doing too much when hesaid he might have said this or

(30:11):
somebody else said this when hewent to, he went to his office
or he was there or whatever, andPuff was just walking around
with a jacket on and no shirt on, like he was Jodeci and shit.
And this is before he was Puff.
He was still sean, interning atuh, interning and from and
going to school at howard.
It was just kind of like when Iheard that I was like that

(30:31):
motherfucker on some weird assshit, so I just kind of just
knew, like in high school thatmotherfucker was probably
something else, so collegecouldn't probably tell him
nothing.

DeLaw (30:41):
And then boom, so it's just kind of like all those
personality falls just probablyjust you know they had a way to
you know be what they were,because, you know, even when I
watched the tours which was evenfunnier when you said I
practically run it, when yousaid that, I said it makes

(31:01):
complete sense, there's a,there's a one that owns that.
When you said that, I said itmakes complete sense.

Wes (31:05):
Why did we run that place?
There's someone that owns that,so, yeah, I forgot about that
part.

DeLaw (31:12):
Yeah, I was like oh man, it was Uptown Records, Wiley
Howard who fired him, Andre yeah.

Wes (31:24):
Yeah, he was there.

DeLaw (31:25):
That's right.
He found all those otherartists.
Mary Jane and and that's what Iguess and that's why I think it
kind of he found Mary, he foundBig, he found Young Unknown
Usher, he found a lot of peopleand he probably was like I'm
running this shit, like if I saythis person's gonna be be a

(31:45):
star, he think they're going tobe a star.
He's going to let me do it.
And then he was feeling himselfuntil he said I'm going to
better myself and make bad boy.

Wes (31:55):
I mean yeah, yeah, I don't understand how you and your wife
got to argue over that, but Iget it.

DeLaw (32:03):
Yeah, I don't understand how you and your wife got to
argue over that, but I get it.
I think it's just a thing ofviewpoint of where she comes
from.
She's seen the abuse.
She's seen it too, how thingshappen to traffic and she's been
involved in the abuse.

Wes (32:18):
So in her mind, if she kind of got triggered a little bit.
Yeah, like if a woman says ithappened, she gives them a 90%
chance she also has tounderstand that men have been on
the other side of like.
If a woman said it happened,yeah, quote, unquote, it
happened, even if it didn't.
And there's been a lot of menlocked up from women or got beat

(32:42):
up from women saying that, andthen the woman actually going
back to the man because like, oh, I'm sorry I got you beat up,
oh, I'm sorry You're in jail, Ilied yeah.
So it's just kind of like ourmoms tell us to watch out for
stuff like that because theyknow that that stuff can happen.
So there's always going to be ado not.
A duality is always going to belike a, a second side of what

(33:04):
you're not seeing.
The Cassidy thing that was ontape.
I'm not going to say, oh, thattape was doctored or whatever.
Have you, he settled out ofcourt?
I mean you know what I mean.

DeLaw (33:15):
That's like I told her.
I said I'm not saying thatthere's not men out there that
don't do that and don't abusewomen and traffic them.
I'm not saying that that's nota thing.
I'm not saying that that's notwhat happens.
I'm not discrediting youropinion.
What I'm saying is that inthese cases, you can't just say

(33:39):
because they said it, that it'strue.
I can go and say that everywoman who has had a rape lawsuit
or whatever are liars.
You could tell me that's nottrue.
Not all of them.
You can't take the minority ofpeople who've been caught up in

(34:01):
this stuff and make it themajority.
That's how I see it At the endof the day, just like things
that have been going on things Imight not speak about because
this is recorded but certainthings have been going on where
people will get accused of stuffand they're like well, it's not
true, they filed for divorce.

(34:21):
Because it's like oh well, theygot you on this, they
investigated it, it has to betrue.
But it's like there's noevidence.
There's no nothing, it's allcircumstantial.
And to this evidence, what arewe talking about?
You know what I'm saying.
Until they lock those doors upand turn the key, they haven't

(34:41):
proven that I'm guilty ofanything.

Wes (34:45):
Even then, sometimes you get locked up when they haven't
proven that I'm guilty ofanything.
Even then, sometimes you getlocked up when anyone clearly
proven yeah.

DeLaw (34:48):
So and I think what I'm hoping they don't do because I
think this is what they did withCosby, this is what they did
with R Kelly is they get justenough and the jury, no matter
how unbiased they think they'regoing to get the jury, the jury
hears all of it and the jury'sgoing to lock them up.

Wes (35:08):
Here's the thing.

DeLaw (35:09):
I think that's a little unfair.

Wes (35:11):
I'm not saying like I said, I don't think Bill Cosby and R
Kelly are innocent.

DeLaw (35:15):
I think the women that they encountered, those parents
for R Kelly that theyencountered, they're not
innocent either, and if he'sgoing to get locked up, every
last one of them should havebeen locked up.

Wes (35:25):
This is the thing.
He might not even get got on.
The stuff the freaky-ass niggassaid he might get got on.

DeLaw (35:37):
He'll get the blackmail.

Wes (35:39):
He'll get the blackmail the guns in the house without no
serial number.

DeLaw (35:44):
See, that's a tough one.

Wes (35:45):
See what I'm saying See what I'm saying.

DeLaw (35:49):
Now, if his attorney's good, if his attorney's good.

Wes (35:52):
The serial numbers are gone .

DeLaw (35:54):
If his attorney's good, he can provide documents oh.

Wes (35:59):
I see what you're saying so when you do stuff like that, I
am about to show my criminalside as a slight side.
So when you do stuff like that,right is with the intent of
like yo, this will be throwawayguns or this will be a throwaway
gun.
Yeah, I legally purchased it.
I don't know where that gun isat.

(36:21):
So let's just say,hypothetically, allegedly you
get a gun, all right, serialnumber one Are you using it and
using it?
And you have to now use it forsomething that you will.
You don't want to name on videoand recording, but you have to
use it for another reason rape,do your thing, get rid of

(36:44):
evidence, don't know where theirgun is at.
You report the motherfuckerstolen or whatever.
Have you?
They not gonna find it becauseyou already got rid of it and
the serial number is gone.
Police reporting, all that shit.
You make it look good or youjust don't even report it stolen

(37:05):
.

DeLaw (37:05):
Just be like it is what it is right, hey, well, I look
at it this way, if you want to.
You got all these with noserial numbers, maybe you, maybe
you wanted a peaceful party.
You told them hey, all guns gotto go over here.
There ain't no guns in thishouse.
And they got so drunk and lefttheir guns.
That'll get them locked up.

(37:27):
Don't listen to me, puff.
I'm sorry.
What did he say?
His name is Love.

Wes (37:32):
I don't know what his name is.

DeLaw (37:33):
Look, Mr Combs, don't listen to me.

Wes (37:39):
His mother's name was Sean.
I'm going to call him Sean.
That won't be a with Sean.
I'm going to call him Sean.
Oh yeah, man, that's going tobe a tough one.
That's going to be a tough one.

DeLaw (37:52):
I got a question for you.
I got a scenario.
Okay, what's up?
Yeah, I need a scenario.
Okay, I got to pour this vodkain this cup.
As long as it's not a sippy cupnope, I'm gonna sip it out of
this cup.
So meet somebody.

(38:17):
You meet them online in a, asocial media group that you both
have.

Wes (38:28):
I love VBWs.

DeLaw (38:31):
What that is a group and so you meet somebody, y'all
start talking, y'all hang out,you go visit them in the city
that they're in and whatever,okay.
So the first part of thisquestion is number one in your

(38:52):
20s, would you do a long-distantrelationship with someone who
you met on social media?
I've done it, okay.
Now how far Shit I was fuckingwith somebody in Florida.

Wes (39:05):
I was fucking with someone who you met on social media.
I've done it, okay.
Now, how far Shit.
I was fucking with somebody inFlorida.
I was fucking with somebody inPennsylvania.
I ain't never seen him, don'tcount.
Why don't I count?

DeLaw (39:17):
Because you got to go see him.

Wes (39:20):
I mean, I'm in my 20s, what money do I got?
Yeah, that's true.
So I might have met themsomewhere, like I've seen them
in real life or whatever.
Yeah, of course I ain't thattype of weird motherfucker in my
20s, so I've seen them.
But you know, it'll besomething like that.

DeLaw (39:36):
Yeah.

Wes (39:36):
I've done it.

DeLaw (39:38):
So In the process of this , I don't mind.
You know, know this is a person.
Now this person is in thisrelationship with this person
and I'm guessing it's serious.
You know their boyfriend andgirlfriend.

Wes (39:55):
Yeah.

DeLaw (39:57):
The person who is in the elder state sends you a text
message saying sends you a textmessage saying that you, because
you're a significant other oryou're dead, you get a text
message from that person sayingthat you been messing with

(40:18):
somebody else and the messagecame to their phone.
They screenshot, they send itto you and everything else.

Wes (40:24):
I get a message from my girl.
I get a message from my girl.

DeLaw (40:27):
You get a message from your girl.

Wes (40:29):
From her phone From her phone and that she has been
messing with someone.

DeLaw (40:34):
That she got a text message or a DM from somebody.

Wes (40:37):
Yeah, that's obvious, that's the same thing we should
have in the meeting before tooGo ahead, continue, which I knew
was a lie, but go ahead.

DeLaw (40:45):
So same thing we should have in the meeting before.
So go ahead, continue, which Iknew was a lie, but go ahead.
So that happens to you, right?
Uh-huh?
So your girl over here tryingto gaslight you to see if you're
going to slip up and everythingelse right.

Wes (40:52):
She's like why do women do this shit?

DeLaw (40:55):
She gaslighted you.
Well, you know what?
This is not the first time ithappened.
It's not, you know, pretty muchtrying to convince you that
somebody did yeah.
Now you know, ain't shit likethat happen?
Yeah, so you find out, thismotherfucker and his friend had
her friend text her that stuffto see what you want to do, to

(41:21):
try and test you.
How do you deal with that?

Wes (41:32):
How did I deal with that?
Because I have done that hasbeen a thing.

DeLaw (41:36):
How did you deal with that?
This is curious.
I mean, I'm only telling youstories.

Wes (41:40):
This is a young dummy.
I was just very cool with thisshit.
It was just like yo.
I don't know, this is a youngdummy.
I was just very cold with thisshit.
I was just like yo.
I don't know what you'retalking about.
I know I ain't the one, don't,nobody know me, this, this, and
that I mean.
If you won't believe it, ohwell.
And I left it up to the oldwill and eventually it didn't
last long because she just kepttrying to whatever, whatever.

(42:02):
And then didn't last longbecause she just kept trying to
whatever, whatever.
And then we just stoppedtalking, like we just kind of
ghosted each other.
That was just it.
So just like it is what thefuck it is.
Yo, if I know, you came up herefor summer and just by whatever
this is this situation and justby having stands, I meet you, we
, you know we having a quote,unquote, summer fling.
You gotta go back.

(42:23):
This, this isn't that.
And now you back in Mississippi.
Who the fuck do you know uphere if you were originally from
Mississippi, besides the peoplethat you was up here with and
that was at Wardour ain't?
No way don't?
I'm young, 20, this is like pre.
This is Facebook, but kind ofpre Facebook.
You don't know nobody for real,for real, if they not on social

(42:45):
media like they are now.
There's no way you could definethat shit right.

DeLaw (42:50):
So no, that you're lying I don't believe you I was, I was
, I was, I was a little, uh, Iwas a little harsher when, uh, I
was told this story.
Um, I won't say where the youngman is from that was doing this
, because it's a young lady whoI work with that told me the
story.

Wes (43:10):
She did it.

DeLaw (43:14):
I would say she's the victim of this crime as of right
now.
Okay, I see what you're saying.
So the dude I'll just say he'sfrom like wherever We'll call
the nigga, michigan.
Right now.
She was like yeah, you know hetexted me that some dude DM'd me

(43:35):
about this and this is not thefirst time and like you know
like what's going on down there?

Wes (43:41):
Are they friends on, are they like on Instagram, and what
are you talking about?

DeLaw (43:45):
It was a Facebook and Instagram group.
So she said she's gone up toMichigan to go visit him, hug
out with him everything else.
So you know me, here's thething.

Wes (43:58):
I can see if that is true in this day and age.
I can see how that's a littlebit believable only because of
what people the extent thatpeople go to to make sure that
nobody get a girl or man thatthey want the catfish shit, that
seems to be a thing and it'sstill a TV show on MTV.
Like it's real easy for someone.

(44:20):
Let's just say this person wasa real person, that sent them
something or someone to do theirinvestigation, whatever,
whatever, and figure that shitout or make it believable like
that person did do something.
You get what I'm saying, right?

DeLaw (44:34):
so like I told her.
I said look, I said, first off,you, you're not even legal
drinking age.

Wes (44:46):
I actually get money to go to.
I'm just saying I ain't had notype of money back in the day
making fucking trips like that,but that's neither here nor
there.

DeLaw (44:54):
Like I said, I'll tell you when we're off air exactly
where he is, then you'll realize.
Okay, that makes sense.

Wes (45:02):
You're going to say his name, got a ward off, and she
ain't fucking that sense.
You're going to say his nameand Ward off, and she ain't
fucking easy.
That's what you're going to say.

DeLaw (45:06):
Well, I gave a far place because, if I name it it says
around it, you'll realize wherehe's really from.
I picked somewhere a little bitnorth, north-north Michigan.
Michigan was the best one Icould come up with.
I was like she was like I methis parents.
I met his family.

Wes (45:25):
Yeah like this is a real relationship.

DeLaw (45:29):
This is a real relationship, okay.
So she was like he won't comedown here.
And then when he comes downhere, it's this.
And then when I go up there Iprefer to stay in the hotel.
And I was like I ain't gonnahold you, I ain't going to hold
you, I ain't going to hold you.
You're 20-something years old.
You know the dude.

(45:50):
He probably about the same ageas you.
I can guarantee you he fuckingall them other bitches up in
Michigan that look good.
He probably probably two orthree of them.
He just got you on the linebecause when he come down here
he wants probably find the twoor three of them.
And he just got you in a linebecause when he come down here
he wants something to do.
I said you're getting allwrapped up in all that.

(46:11):
Once he said the shit and yousaid that he thought he was
childish.
Why are we even having thisconversation?

Wes (46:17):
Yeah, if he's childish, that means he most likely this
is fake.
Yeah, yeah, yeah.

DeLaw (46:25):
I said.
The fact that you're eventelling us about it because you
feel some type of way about itlets me know it's time for you
to say, yeah, fuck this and moveon.
Maybe you don't want to open upyour legs and go in your room
and make a shit like a lot of usdid when we were your age.
I get it Not everybody's builtlike us, but you need to come to

(46:48):
terms with if this is a realthing.
He shouldn't be playing themgames with you and then y'all
should be at some point makingsome sort of arrangement of like
where do you guys want to be inthe next five years and how do
we come together?

Wes (47:03):
If y'all in your early 20s, early 20s, Fuck it, Fuck it.

DeLaw (47:10):
I said why are you?

Wes (47:12):
trusting yourself over.
If you feel good looking woman,why are you trusting yourself
over this?

DeLaw (47:18):
I told you about that offline too, Okay nevermind
Either way why are you?

Wes (47:25):
trusting yourself over this .

DeLaw (47:26):
If you're a good-looking woman, why are you chasing
yourself off with something likeplaying these games?
My supervisor and I like mysupervisor, he's cool.
Even I tell him my supervisor'sfive years younger than me, so
he's still.
So he's still, yeah, so he'sstill.
His perspective of it was moretowards hers, paz was more

(47:52):
towards why the hell are youdealing with this shit?
I just turned 39.
I'm about to be 40 next year.

Wes (47:59):
Why are you fucking with us ?
That's one thing.
When we were younger, we didn'treally think too much about our
peace.
We just thought how the worldand people were were, quote
unquote punches in the mouth waswhat was supposed to happen.
And it's like, nah, in somesituations, not even some
situations, and, yeah, as mostsituations, that's not how it's

(48:20):
supposed to be.
And once you realize that's nothow it's supposed to be, you
won't learn to defend yourself.
You ain't going to get punchedin the mouth like that, no more.
So this is a learning moment.
I'm showing you how to bob.
I'm showing you how to weaveFucking, defend yourself.

DeLaw (48:34):
And I was like look, I get it, you might like him, but
in retrospect this is a flame,this is a flame, this is a flame
, this ain't no, it ain'tserious.
Actually I said when you go upthere to Michigan, do you stay

(48:55):
with him and his family?
Well, no, I prefer to stay at ahotel.
But you were home.

Wes (48:59):
No, don't say that.

DeLaw (49:02):
I had to tell her.
I had to tell her it wasn'tthat no, no, no.

Wes (49:07):
You said you prefer, so that's her choice.
That means they gave her theopportunity.
No, that means they gave herthe.
That means they gave.

DeLaw (49:16):
He only called her up when he wants her up.
He only oh, now I'm busy thisweek, alright, y'all free Once
you're up.
He only oh, now I'm busy thisweek.
Oh, now I'm busy this week.
Oh, I'm busy this week, allright, y'all free.
Come on, you only going up whenhe free, not when you free, not
when y'all free.
When he free, yeah, he comethrough.

(49:38):
Do we spend time at the hotel?
Oh, now he leaves, nigga.
You want.
I left him where he was.
You know what.
You want to be in that mess andyou must like it.
That's how.
That's how Gen Z niggas like,and not that she, she a real

(49:59):
nigga, I ain't going to lie, shea real nigga, alright.
Like if there was someone torun through that unit and it was
like all right, all the guysget up to protect she getting in
there in the mix because sheain't fucking around.
She's going out there andbanging with the rest of us.
She ain't super girly, she wantto throw down with the niggas.

(50:23):
She's a homie at this girl.
She wanted to throw down withthe niggas.
So you know she's a homie atthis point.
But I was like come on you.
I said, look, take it fromUncle D-Law.
Okay, it's time for you to moveon, and if you're going to go
ahead and mess with somebody, doit in your city until you get

(50:44):
old enough to be able tonavigate a long distance
relationship.
Right, you know?
Because at not even drinkinglegal age, you know where we're
going.
If I had a girlfriend who livedout in Cali or Texas or
whatever, I'm fucking everythingother than Sunday until you
come into the city, or until Igo fucking everything other than
until you come into the city.

(51:04):
That's why I go there.
That's what you mean.

Wes (51:08):
That is very, very true, very, very true.
Speaking of, she wanted homies,somebody needs some advice from
you.
Oh All right, bring it on, camein from me.
This came in from me.
Oh, all right.

DeLaw (51:26):
Bring it on, so Came in from me.

Wes (51:27):
Huh.

DeLaw (51:28):
This came in from me.

Wes (51:30):
Listen, you're going to give the advice.
Let's just hypothetically itcame to you.

DeLaw (51:35):
Okay.

Wes (51:38):
So it's a 26 year old female and she says I made a
cruel and probably porn brain bycurious past at my best friend,
who's a male.
If he ever talks to me again,how do I apologize and make it
up to him?

DeLaw (51:59):
I ain't need to tell you the story oh, I was, like you
said, crude, and what?

Wes (52:07):
No.
Vicarious pass at her bestfriend and probably porn biased,
I'm sorry, porn brain.
Vicarious pass.
Made a pass at him.

DeLaw (52:19):
Shit.
Fuck the nigga and see if helike it.

Wes (52:21):
Hey, that's a story.
He didn't make a pass, she madea pass.
That's what I'm saying.
Fuck the nigga and see if helike it.
Hey, that's not his story.

DeLaw (52:25):
He didn't make a pass.
She made a pass.
That's what I'm saying.
Fuck the nigga and see if helike it, unless he married.

Wes (52:30):
Here we go.
Tell me the story, all right.
I have identified as a lesbianfor my entire life, but I've
never been repulsed by the ideaof sex with a man.
That's not me, pause.
That's not me, pause, that'sher.
And lately I've been curiousabout what it is like and what

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it will be like with my bestfriend, who's 24 and is a male.
Let's call him Daniel.
In particular, our parents arefriends.
We were next door neighborsgrowing up and we've been
friends as long as I canremember and I have the
expectation in my head, probablyfrom porn, that if a lesbian is
feeling vicarious then ofcourse any male friends she has

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will be down to fuck.
I also got the sense thatDaniel has always been kind of
attracted to me since we wereteenagers, but that he made an
effort not to catch feelingsbecause he respects my sexuality
, which is really endearing.
So I propose some casual sexwhile we were getting coffee
together one day, thinking thatI thinking that even if he says

(53:34):
no, his reaction will be cuteand funny.
It was neither cute nor funny.
First he looked shocked andthen he didn't really hurt and
angry.
His hands balled up and fist onthe table and he and we haven't
physically fought since we werechildren, but I am dead sure
for a second that he's about tohit me.

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Instead he stands up, says whatthe fuck, sounding like he's on
the verge of tears and leavesthe cafe.
It didn't occur to me how cruelwhat I did to him was until
after he left, and now I want tocrawl in a hole and fucking die
.
It's been two days and he isn'tanswering my texts.

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He hasn't told any of ourmutual friends or family what
happened, but any who've askedme.
I just told them it's my fault,but I haven't gone into details
and they're all rightly pissedat me right now.
If he ever speaks to me again,how do I make this right?
And then she says to clarify, Iexplained that I'd been feeling

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vicarious and that he's theonly man I feel comfortable
experimenting with, beforeproposing that we have casual
sex.
To people saying I've beenstringing Daniel along while we
were teenagers, I want toclarify again that he's had
serious girlfriends before and Imade this proposition when we

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both happened to be single.
I sent Daniel an apology textlast night, keeping in mind your
suggestions and advice, and Igot a text back this morning.
That is probably the best Icould have hoped for.
He texts back I'm going to needto not talk to you for a while.
I understand that I was theonly man you would have felt

(55:21):
comfortable experimenting withlike this, but I know we've
never directly talked about this.
I think you also know that Ihave to.
I have to try hard to keep mythoughts and feelings about you
platonic, which means you madethis proposition assuming I'll
be fine with just taking what Icould get from you, and I'm

(55:43):
angry and humiliated that youapparently think so lowly of me.
I'll contact you when I feellike talking more.
I love you but also eat shitand die.
What advice do you have forthis young lady?
Uncle D-Law, who do you?

DeLaw (56:00):
love.
Well, first of all, oh God,that's right there.
So I just want to make surethat I've heard clearly that the
guy doesn't want to talk to heranymore, Right?

Wes (56:23):
Nah, I mean they're friends .
He's just like yo, I ain'tgoing to be just using me for
dick.
That's basically what he'ssaying, Like don't, don't treat
me like that, Right.
I've been trying hard to keepmy feelings like what it is,
because you said you're gay.
Now you tell me something youwant to experiment saying, Right

(56:46):
?
So here's what.

DeLaw (56:47):
I'll say Advice for her, advice for her, um, so there's a
way for her to get out of this.
Okay, how the?

Wes (57:00):
fuck, did you get out of there?
You already told her heshouldn't die and he told he
shouldn't die.

DeLaw (57:04):
But because she identified as lesbian doesn't
necessarily make her a lesbian,even though you know, whatever
is she vicarious she's vicarious, but her biological clock is
going off in a way that she cankind of state it is like look,

(57:28):
even if she and I think the wayshe threw it out there was a
little awkward, it was, itwasn't straightforward like,
look, I like you, I'm attractedto you.

Wes (57:39):
Yo, what if Shorty looked like a stud and I just totally
threw him off man that day?
What if that day she waslooking like that?
Because for him to say, yo, I'mattracted to you, that means he
had seen her in a.

DeLaw (57:52):
I can guarantee you she's a stud Just from the way it is.
It's a stud Like I'm bi-curious, she's a stud.
You know how you change anigga's mind in real life.
It shows that you can bepresentable out in the world and
people be like, damn, that'syou son.
Okay, I see you.

(58:14):
I see you.
If I'm going to walk into aplace with a chick who is a stud
, who's now not a stud, and wewalk in looking identical and
I'm like, look, what the fuckwrong with you?
You've got to remember that youhave to be appealing to the
person, so his problem is youtreat.

Wes (58:33):
You treat me like anything.
But his problem is you treat melike anything.
She didn't mean to treat himlike anything.
She wants to know how she canapologize and make it up to him
and get their friendship back ontrack.
So he's dead.
He don't want that.
He don't want that.

DeLaw (58:55):
He doesn't want that at the moment.
I sent you the meme that saidwith a guy who said that you
know he crumbled the bottle tohis wife, all this stuff and
said now blow into it.
You see how it's full.
I'll blow a job to cureeverything.

Wes (59:12):
Yeah, I did see that, yeah.

DeLaw (59:15):
On a real note.
On a real note, on a real note.
How do you repair that?
So women have this tendency ofthinking that all the things
that they do doesn't come with aconsequence.
So if you've been telling adude, we just friends, we just

(59:37):
friends, we just friends, wejust friends, all this other
shit, all this other shit, youknow whatever, all of a sudden
you're like you know what, fuckit, why not?
You end up like the dude that'sbeen engaged with, that was
engaged for three years.
You pretty much have thatsituation, but just openly
saying I just want to see whatDick feel like.

(59:59):
And I think that's the issue islike you want you, you want to
see what Dick feel like, andhe's like you're not going to
use me for an experiment.
So what she has to do honestlyis just say look my bad, like.
I'm at a point where I kind oflike am feeling guy, like.
It's a way to say like I'm at apoint where I kind of like am
feeling guy, like.

(01:00:19):
It's a way to say like I'mfeeling guys, but I don't know
if I'm all the way there and ofany guy who I trust in my life
to kind of ease me into it thatif I had, if I was born to not
be gay, that I want to be withwill be you.
You pretty much ease that overwith them.
That it's not, that it'sactually you say.

Wes (01:00:41):
You say that it now makes me think like you think I'm so
pussy that I'm close to pussyand that it'd be easy enough for
you to try this by curious shiton with you think I'm soft
nigga, that one be runningthrough my head the whole time.
So it's just kind of like Idon't know if I was, if I was

(01:01:02):
one of my home girls, I don'tknow how.
Uh, you know, I don't know,because it's the same thing as
it's the same thing as um, evenif shorty was straight, like you
try and get with her, you tryand get with her and now, all of
a sudden, or you want to getwith her and she's like nah, so
right now, the nah is becauseshe is a lesbian.

(01:01:22):
But just imagine shortystraight and she just like nah,
but she gives you whateverreasons, and now she's like now,
I'm ready.
But she doesn't even say it insuch a like oh, I've been
whatever, whatever, whatever.
It don't seem endearing.
It's just like nah, I'm ready,let's do this, let's make this
work.
You'll be like did somebody dumpyou?
Like are you, this is I'm not arebound, or you know what I
mean.
Like no guy wants to feel thatway.

(01:01:44):
To be honest, I don't reallyknow what advice I would give
her.
To be honest, I might even saylike yo, if you really care
about him and this might be thismight destroy the relationship
even further but if you reallycare about them and you want to
be curious and you feel like you, safe with them, uh, turn into

(01:02:04):
a full-fledged relationship.
Yeah, y'all both single.
That is how you, that, that'show you be, that's how you.
That's how you.
That's how you remedy that, inmy opinion.
Because if he does say no now,y'all both feeling rejected and
feeling disgusted at the sametime, like alright, we should

(01:02:25):
have never went down that far,because you don't really want to
do that with me and you don'twant to do this with me.

DeLaw (01:02:32):
But if because she already fucked it up as it was
being gay, for since they wereteenagers, and whatever, because
I can guarantee you he likedher and I'm not going to say
that she was black if she waslike a feminine lesbian woman.

Wes (01:02:54):
Listen, let's just say for this story, all intents and
purposes she is, because theydidn't say she was a stud.
And if he also said he likedher, he tried to hold down his
feelings.
If he has feelings for a womanthat looks like a guy, that's a
whole other situation.
So we're going to assume thatthat's not the case.

DeLaw (01:03:14):
But that's why I said it's a white woman.
All right, put it this way.
If it was Queen Latifah, fromSaturday to all, saying this to
you, I get what he's saying.
If it's Janelle Monáe, I thinkshe said she's gay, the one that

(01:03:37):
was in Hidden Figures.
If it was her saying it, whyare you saying I don't want to
rock with you, shorty bad?

Wes (01:03:45):
You see what I'm saying, but his mindset is more I get
what you're saying, but even ifit was, it could be.
It could be.
Let's just say, for all intentsand purposes, janelle Monáe.
It could still be janelle monaeand I could be like who you
think I am like.
That's why I said the wholething of me to be like.
You think I'm that pussy, youthink I'm, you think I'm the

(01:04:06):
bitch you could roll up for me.
Be like yo, just give yousomething I do that, you don't
do that.

DeLaw (01:04:13):
You know that's, that's how I know me.
You sometimes on a differentwavelength because I've been
like, oh, you just want to getthis shit, but the thing is,
that's also your home girl,that's also your home girl but
I'm also thinking of it.
I'm 24, 26 in that area,because that's what age they

(01:04:34):
said they was at that time.
Now 34, 36, 34, 36.
I can understand what he'ssaying, because that's what age
they said they was at that timeNow 34, 36.

Wes (01:04:39):
Yeah.

DeLaw (01:04:39):
I see what you're saying.
34, 36.
I can understand what he'ssaying.
I can understand because it'slike nah, look, if you ain't, if
you ain't about to be for thisride till death, do us part
after we kind of get to knoweach other, whatever.
Ain't no time, ain't no reasonfor us to be doing this shit.
24, 26.
Oh, you just want some dick.

Wes (01:04:57):
Oh, but also he already said he gave the situation of
like I've held back my feelings.
What did he say?
He held back his feelings.

DeLaw (01:05:07):
He held back his feelings yeah.

Wes (01:05:09):
I'll try to keep my feelings strictly platonic.
So if he wants more thanplatonic, then you can see how
that's an insult.
It don't really matter.
If I wanted more than platonic,then you can see how that's an
insult.
It don't really matter.
If I wanted more than platonicwith a girl, you could see how I
was an insult.
I'd be like nah, I just reallywant you, though Like I don't
want that other shit.
I've been in that situation at20.
And I've been in a situationthat you're talking about at 22.

(01:05:31):
It depends on the girl.
Obviously, they're friends thathe sees highly of her, and it's
been women.
When we were in our twenties.
We didn't see that much in them.
We're just like.
You are just for this.
So that's what I'm getting at.
You disrespected me at thispoint, cause you.
You think I'm just like.
Nah, I'm like, come on now.

DeLaw (01:05:54):
You know how you apologize to uncle D law in this
situation.

Wes (01:05:58):
She's not apologizing, you're giving her advice.

DeLaw (01:05:59):
I'm giving her advice.
But if it was Uncle D-Law, thatwas this 24-year-old guy, dan.
Let him see what that mouth do.

Wes (01:06:07):
Yo, no, be truthful with him.
Put yourself all the way outthere.
If you're going to be curious,it shouldn't just be curious for
sex, because you can go get adildo and see how it would feel
to a degree, to a degree.
You already like them.
You're already cool.
You're already willing to getto the point where you're able

(01:06:28):
to touch, you know, put yourmouth on body parts and shit.
Go ahead, go the extra mile andbe like yo hang out together.
Y'all already hang out together.

DeLaw (01:06:39):
But that's what I was saying.
Like, at the end of the day,they, they are, they all.
She already likes him and asmuch as she's trying to identify
as a lesbian woman, what itboils down to is you like this
guy, you want to kind of be withhim, but you are worried that
if you go into a wood, if it'snot what you expected, that's

(01:07:00):
the worry that everyone has in arelationship anyway.

Wes (01:07:04):
So if that's the case, no, don't, don't and don't fuck it
up, don't even pursue it anyfurther.

DeLaw (01:07:11):
Oh, I honestly, I honestly say pursue it, if you
really pursue a relationship orpursueursue a relationship?

Wes (01:07:20):
Yeah, pursue a relationship .

DeLaw (01:07:21):
Pursue a relationship Because for him, it wasn't that
she wanted to fuck, it was thatshe only wanted to fuck, it
wasn't.
Oh well, I kind of been feelingyou, even though I'm a lesbian.
I kind of want to see wherethis goes.

(01:07:42):
She could have lived with thatand he could have been like well
, I mean, I get what you'resaying, but I've known you for
years and I like you, I love youblah, blah, blah.
Not love you, like I'm in lovewith you.
But you've heard the worst ofme, the best of me.
I've heard the worst of you,the best of you, and I think
this will work for us to be in arelationship, because I'm

(01:08:06):
positive.
She could have worded it somuch differently than saying I
just want to know what it feelslike to be with a real dick.
She could have worded it somuch better that we wouldn't
even be having this conversationright now, because he'd have
been like oh, I kept up withtime for so long, blah, blah,

(01:08:26):
blah.
And then this is where yourealize that some women
sometimes have a littleawkwardness with themselves.
Is she's a woman?
When you came over to say that,did you present yourself as a
decent looking woman or did yougo over there like the homie?

(01:08:47):
Did you go in there?
Sundress season no drawers onunder the jeans, tight little
club dress on, hair done, makeupdone or whatever going in?
Did you go in there like that,asking that question yeah, go
out and whatever.
Did you go in there doing theproper things to get the results

(01:09:07):
you wanted, or did you go inthere like the homie?

Wes (01:09:14):
Yeah, I don't know.

DeLaw (01:09:16):
All that matters.
All that matters Like, like we,we said in season one, you
can't give the same thingwithout a different presentation
.
You, the homie, but now you'retalking about you want to do
some shit.
I do not remember that rememberyou said for valentine's day
you oh yeah yeah, yeah, womenonly give sex as a gift.

(01:09:39):
If you're going to givesomething, you gotta dress it up
different.
You can't go on there with yourregular your, your stretch
jeans and black shirt on,thinking that he's going to give
you a different result after heheld his emotion.

Wes (01:09:55):
You can't, I don't think this shit had anything to do
with the clothing, becauseobviously the clothing didn't
matter.
If he said I've been trying tohold back my feelings.
Now, if he liked how dudes lookand she looked like a dude, hey
, still him, it didn't fuck hismind up.
I think it's just the simplefact of like you're just going
to be using me and I want to bemore than being used.

DeLaw (01:10:17):
You got to make the women .
Women have a lot of power intheir mouth and their buzzer.

Wes (01:10:22):
Oh gosh, they do.

DeLaw (01:10:24):
And if you dress it up nice, to where a guy looks at
you and they can't keep theireyes off of you, what you're
saying doesn't matter to them,because they're already
undressing you with the eyes andonce you hop on it they ain't
thinking about shit.
Okay, you're reducing us, man.
That is not true.
I'm just saying in general.
Put it this way, case in point.

Wes (01:10:47):
If you really wanted a girl , you probably wouldn't say most
of the shit you're saying, butyou're probably like fuck her.
Fuck, she think I am and youprobably wouldn't think nothing
of it.
You're probably like nah, I'mstraight um if you really wanted
a girl, if you really wanted agirl like, if, like.
So, I'm sure, as a young man andeven when you got married

(01:11:10):
before you know, with datingyour wife and stuff, for y'all
seeing each other, she made youfeel a certain type of way that
was more than just lust for herbody.
Right, you have to say yes,don't get yourself in trouble.
You have to say yes, ok.
So that's what I've been inthat situation where you like,
damn, I just want her.

(01:11:31):
And you can't have her becauseeverything seems to be smooth
and easy and y'all can talk forhours and you don't have that
shit with nobody else, just forthat person to be like you know
what I need?
Dick, nothing else.
And you'd be like what the fuck?
And he's been holding that backfor years.
Hold on.

DeLaw (01:11:50):
I'll give her a dick that one night After that.

Wes (01:11:53):
No, here's the thing, and if I'm going to be doing that, I
need to get it whenever I needto get it, because you're
fulfilling a curiosity.
I want to see what it's like tocontinue.
I ain't going that far.
The answer is no.

DeLaw (01:12:10):
Like where she was messing up with me is I just
want to do this one time.

Wes (01:12:14):
Whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa the answer is no, it's not going to
be no one time it's not going tobe no, one time no.

DeLaw (01:12:22):
If we about to do this for real, then you know what it
is because we already homies,which means that once you open
that gate, if you open here,yeah, we might not fuck every
time, but we get a couple ofdrinks and you over here, I'm
gonna be trying to see what thatpussy do now you want to open

(01:12:42):
them gates or not?
And now, now you throw the ballright back at her court.
Well, shit, uh, well it nope,it ain't.
No.
If anything, if you open upthese gates, this is what it is.
So think wisely about it, thinkvery wisely about it.

(01:13:04):
Like she might be better offnot saying nothing and just kind
of leaving it where it is.

Wes (01:13:13):
She might be better off.
He did say I'll reach out toyou right now.
He did say I love you but fuckyou.

DeLaw (01:13:21):
Because he likes her.
He likes her.
That's why I was like, at 24years old dude, like don't be so
sensitive about it, you got alot of life to give.

Wes (01:13:32):
Yo, he really likes Shorty.
I mean that's just what it is.
He really likes her.
That's just what it is hereally likes her.

DeLaw (01:13:37):
It is what it is.
He got a lot of dick to giveyou.
Got a lot of shit to give you.
Got a lot of shit to give you.

Wes (01:13:42):
24 you ain't 39 starting to think you never really liked a
girl man, that's what it soundedlike.
You really like a motherfucker.
That shit don't mean none.

DeLaw (01:13:54):
I think man look, I've liked a lot of girls.

Wes (01:13:58):
Uh-huh.
And he also said I love you.
So this is they've beenchildhood friends, so there is
love there.

DeLaw (01:14:07):
Well, she fucked up, she fucked up, she fucked up with
and, like we say in us beingmarried, delivery is everything.

Wes (01:14:20):
That's what I ain't never said.
No, I ain't.
Delivery is everything.

DeLaw (01:14:28):
I mean look, there's no way around delivering something
good.
You have to deliver it theright way, Doesn't matter who it
is, you gotta deliver it theright way.
It doesn't matter who it is,you got to deliver it the right
way.
If you don't, you end up hereBest friend list.
Now you got to go find a randomnigga that don't really give a

(01:14:48):
shit and take the pussy and nextthing you know you in the
street saying dumb, dumb.

Wes (01:14:51):
Today I know where you got the reference from.
You know, I got to give upunfortunately, and I think you
said it wrong.

DeLaw (01:15:04):
I did the whatever.
I did it wrong but you got thegist of it.
You got the gist of it shoutout to Freshman because, you
know, belair just dropped theirthird season, so you know.

Wes (01:15:16):
I ain't even finished watching the second season.

DeLaw (01:15:19):
I'm about to start watching the third third.
I'm just waiting on my wife youain't gotta wait on her.

Wes (01:15:26):
it's like nothing, man, oh man, oh yeah, I don't know.
Man surely just need to be realwith herself and actually think
about her feelings.
Uh, she might actually justlike this guy and she don't know
she like him yet she's fightingit.
She's like nah, I'm a lesbian,you're not like you, be so
committed to what you think youare and you're not willing to

(01:15:48):
change, even if it's foryourself.
He could be what you need inlife.
Nah, it's different.
It's different from, like yo,this Amanda at the office, and
you know she like yo, blah, blah, blah and that's your work wife

(01:16:09):
, quote unquote but she alesbian.
That's quite different.
I've known you forever, so Ihave the feelings are invested,
and she already kind of knewthat it's quite different.
Now, if it was like somebody Iwas working with, like when I
was in my 20s working at circuitcity, and shorty came to me

(01:16:29):
like this, this, and that, yeah,the answer is yes.
Oh, yeah, the answer is yes,yeah, like you could like young,
don't?
I know you ain't got noexpectations and this and that,
but you run the risk of like shelike, not like, not digging it,
fuck with somebody else at theoffice and he's like yo.

(01:16:49):
Now they got laid and blew herback out of this.
This and that made her quitbeing gay.
Now they found out you was thefirst nigga.
Oh man, you got to switch jobs.
You got to switch jobs.
So it's still tricky.
It's still tricky, but yeah,man.

DeLaw (01:17:10):
That's crazy.

Wes (01:17:11):
It's funny too.
It's funny as hell.

DeLaw (01:17:18):
That's tough um on that note um talk to me nicely and
say it the right way, you mightget lucky yo, and then maybe she
would try to incorporate somebaby oil into the mix, you know,
maybe.

Wes (01:17:36):
Or another girl, yo.
You think if she would haveoffered another girl that he
probably would have been like.
Okay, let me think about this.

DeLaw (01:17:41):
I don't even apologize.

Wes (01:17:45):
Yo, that's what she fucking should have did, Like yo, look,
this is opportunity, but still,man, he's still being super
used because now he's bringinganother.
She's bringing another chick inthis situation and, yo, they
running a train on him.
He ain't running you know whatI mean?

DeLaw (01:18:01):
what if there was a chick he had been trying to get at?
How would she know?
Because they talk abouteverything, childhood friends.
Yeah, it's a tough one hefucked up.

Wes (01:18:16):
It's so tough, I don't know .

DeLaw (01:18:20):
I kind of say, go for him fucking up, but hey.

Wes (01:18:23):
Why?
Because he should have made hisintentions known earlier.

DeLaw (01:18:26):
No, not even that You're going to tell her eat dirt bitch
.
I'll call you when I'm ready.
Eat shit.
It's literally.
You now have her in the palm ofyour hand.
You can now tap that with nofeelings involved.
Nah, come on now.

Wes (01:18:41):
He already like yo.
There's no, I'm going to tap itwith no feelings involved.
He already likes her and, forgoodness forbid the pussy good
Like yo.
You're stuck.
You like her and she's usingyou and you ain't going to never
get no more once she say it'sdone.
That's a tough place for dudeto be in.
You know it.

(01:19:03):
You know it is like when youwas younger and you're younger
days before you hung up yourjersey, you losing your best
eater, your best drink that giveyou and she's just like nah, or
you playing with me too much,or this, this and that you like.
Now you're going months withoutsome shit.
That so fucking good.
And you're just sitting therelooking at the ceiling like fuck
, this is going to be tough.

(01:19:23):
Now you got fucking tryoutsagain.
Who the fuck want to do that?
Yeah, don't even save yourselfthe energy, just don't even go
with that shit.

DeLaw (01:19:36):
Look my jersey's in the rafters.
I ain't even go forward withthat shit.
Look my jersey's in the rafters.
I ain't got no more left in me.
I'm one and done.
I ain't being Jordan comingback with a full five in me.
No, no, I ain't doing that.
I ain't doing that.
This is one and done.

Wes (01:19:56):
Told my wife the same thing .
She was like was like well,what if you?
I'm like nah, I'm done, that'sit?
I was like, if anything washappening like that, I'm just
gonna be a, a bachelor till Idie shit.

DeLaw (01:20:12):
I ain't got time to put up with no shit like pay for
another wedding.
I got lucky that my wife beenpaid for another wedding.
I got lucky.
I got lucky that my wife paidfor majority of the wedding.
Who's gonna say that you ain'tgonna do that?

Wes (01:20:25):
listen, it's true.
Listen, young man and younglady.
Okay, the moral of this episodeto wrap everything up stay away
from daddy and stay away frompeople that play with your mind
and your heart.
Thank everybody for tuning inand see you next time.