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Ever wondered how social media has shaped our collective anxiety over the years? From the haunting memories of 9-11 to the nerve-wracking days of the DC sniper attacks, and the rollercoaster ride of the Trump presidency, we’ve been on edge for decades. Tune in as we share personal stories about our views on society and lifestyle have shifted with age. We also discuss how aging has transformed our perceptions, from disillusionment with younger generations to skepticism about aging political leaders. 

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Episode Transcript

Wes (00:00):
Worry has not.
How could I put it?
The worry has not gone awaysince Obama left, so I don't
really know.
You know what I mean.
Like you know, our generationlived through a lot

DeLaw (00:12):
Yeah I mean.

Wes (00:13):
I've always been on high alert.

DeLaw (00:15):
I went through four years of Trump, I mean.

Wes (00:19):
You went through four years of Trump.
You went through a recessionduring college.
You went through 9-11 duringhigh school, middle school.
You went through the sniper inthis area.
I remember that one We've beenthrough.
Everybody welcome to anotherepisode of the Court in the West

(00:39):
podcast.
As always, we got DeLaw here.

DeLaw (00:42):
You have DeLaw,

Wes (00:46):
that's it?
You practicing your French forthe Olympics?

DeLaw (00:52):
No, not yet.
I tried, but I couldn't say thedevil's son-in-law in French.

Wes (01:03):
Hold up Shit.
The crazy thing is, I think Iknow those two words, which says
a lot about me.

DeLaw (01:13):
I was trying, I was going to, I was going to try and say
it in French, and then I waslike, yeah, I don't know how to
say it in French.

Wes (01:20):
Yeah, yeah, yeah, you got DeL aw.
You got me Wes

DeLaw (01:24):
DeLaw, the devils son-in-law.

Wes (01:30):
I might find that and have to insert that.
But you got me Wes Anotherepisode, another day, another
week of.
Oh yeah, I forgot our phonescould do that.
What did it say Can your phonetranslate?
Oh yeah, I forgot our phonescould do that.
What did it say Can your phonetranslate?

DeLaw (01:47):
Oh no, that was you know that little short they be having
with the Chinese people and Iwant chicken with fried rice.
The husband's trying to.
He's about to tell his wifethat he's a billionaire and they
want to cut the app.

Wes (02:07):
Nah, never seen that one.

DeLaw (02:11):
It was on Facebook and it's like any other.
You know you get little comictricks that the mom wants the
son to.

Wes (02:20):
Okay, yeah, I know what you're talking about.

DeLaw (02:22):
So they got this thing where they do shorts for my
husband, whatever, and he's likeit's like Chinese New Year and
he's trying to tell his wifethat.

Wes (02:34):
They're dramatized skits for social media.
Yeah, it might be a realsituation, but not a real
situation with their actors.

DeLaw (02:43):
Yeah, and then I hate those.
And then the wife is showing upwith like the friend who wants
her and it's like I'm just likedude, this is like the messiest
thing ever.
He like slapped the dude twice.
He's like you slapped me.
He's like I will slap you again.
It slaps him again.
I'm going to tell my father,his father comes in.

(03:07):
He's out slapping in front ofyour father.
Bow, slap him in front of thefather.
Daddy can't protect you,motherfucker.
The last one I seen ofsomething like that was it was a
guy looking to be head chef ofthis restaurant.
He was black, mixed or whateverRacism ensues and all this

(03:31):
other stuff.
He showed the racist guy atGrace, something like that, that
type of thing.
I watched it.
I still hate those fakedramatization type things, but I
watched it.
It was cool.
I just hate that.
That's what we people need tobe.
We have to go to these lengthsto teach people a lesson online.

(03:54):
Not that the world isn'tteaching all of us lessons every
day.
It's just kind of like, sinceyou're being shitty on social
media, maybe this will comeacross your feed, which is crazy
in my opinion.
Well, super crazy.
I don't know, I was invested.
They only show you a certainamount, so you got to see if you

(04:15):
can find the other one.
I wasn't downloading that, so Iwas like, oh man, I wonder if
she comes to me and is like, ohmy gosh, I didn't know you were
a billionaire.
And then he'd be like nah,bitch we done.

Wes (04:29):
I think I know exactly which one you're talking about.
I scrolled past that,motherfucker.
I scrolled past thatmotherfucker.

DeLaw (04:40):
I tried to scroll past it , but it just kept showing up
over and over So eventually Ijust kind of looked at it,

Wes (04:50):
Yeah, as one would do, as they're scrolling on Instagram
or Facebook or whatever.
Man, that shit has got me in achokehold against social media
Not me commenting or anythinglike that, but just me being
stuck.
And I was telling my wife.
I was like.
I was like I noticed that theshit getting worse with me, so I
got to figure out something.
I was telling her I was like Imight just get an old school
flip phone, but you need a realphone.

(05:12):
I say I don't really need areal phone, I need one.
When I was, I mean, I don'tneed, I didn't need a smartphone
.
When I didn't, when theyweren't any.
You know what I mean.
I figured it out.
Yeah, we all figured it out.
I was like but this shit doesn'tbe like, because it's all the
stuff that I like, like we talkabout algorithms all the time
and it's everything that I like.
It ain't never anything that Idon't like.
I'm like oh, this shit know metoo well and every, every time,

(05:36):
I'm just looking to uh, seesomething that I like, like and
I was explaining.
So I was like I went on here tosee the weather and the first
thing I did was as soon as Iopened up my phone, I forgot
what I was doing and wentstraight to instagram.
I was like, oh hell, no.
So I'm looking to make a changein that.

(05:57):
But you know I won't make thatchange all too soon because you
know, our first presidentialdebates was a couple of days ago
.
The memes and the ignorance isout there, and a lot of it is
funny.

DeLaw (06:16):
Oh yeah.

Wes (06:17):
Did you actually sit down and try to watch it?

DeLaw (06:20):
For a quick second and I said why the fuck do I care?
You know, at the end of the day, like I will tell anybody the
fact that we even still believethat there's Democrats and
Republicans and not just peoplewho are just looking out to do
whatever, whatever theircounterparts say that they
should do, and just hey, whowants to be the face, to be the

(06:41):
person that gets run over andtold that they're a horrible
person, when really it'severyone else that works with
you that does the shit, yeah?
And they just all oh, yeah,I'll do it this time, I'll be
like all right, cool, cool.
And then they make us feel likewe're in the loop by letting us
vote for whoever's going totake the blame for any dumb shit
that the, the senate and thehouse and all those other people

(07:02):
do.

Wes (07:03):
Right, yeah, I asked my mom the same thing.
She was like she fell asleepwatching it.
And then she, you know sheasked me.
I was like, well, I went tosleep, I didn't even bother.
I'm like, but we saw what thiswas four years ago.
Somebody that seems like they'renot all there and another

(07:23):
person that's still not allthere but just says whatever he
wants.
Both of them are goofy assgrandpas.
That's how they come off.
So they're just saying stuff.
It's just kind of like some ofthe stuff is positive.
A lot of it ain't what am I,and some of them just ain't

(07:45):
saying nothing.
You know, sometimes they'rejust not saying nothing.
So it's like, what am Iwatching this shit for?
But the next day, just seeingeverybody comment on how it was
a disgrace, it was a worry, andthis, this and that, and I'm
like, oh, y'all couldn't.
Y'all couldn't have predictedthis.
Like I'm not the you know, thepolitical scientist in the room
and shit like that it was,couldn't predict this.
I'm not the political scientistin the room and shit like that.

(08:08):
It's just like come on now Seewhat happens in the next couple
months.
It's definitely going to getworse before it gets better.

DeLaw (08:22):
We're just seeing Roy Jones versus Mike Tyson, part
two.
Just two grandpas at thecookout duking it out.

Wes (08:30):
Nah, those are two uncles.
Yeah, they definitely two goofyass grandpas.
Two uncles.
You'll never see two grandpasfighting from different sides.
It's always two uncles.
You know the brothers and shitlike that, but I guess if
they're grandpas, they could beyou know brothers at the same
time, too Somebody's uncles, butnah, it's not the same.

(08:50):
It's not the same, I don't know.
Man, I would like to say thatI'm super worried, but the worry
has not.
The worry has not how could Iput it?
The worry has not gone awaysince, uh, Obama left, so I
don't really know.
You know what I mean.
Like we, you know, ourgeneration lived through a lot

(09:11):
yeah, I mean I've always been onhigh alert.

DeLaw (09:13):
I went through four years of trump.

Wes (09:15):
I mean you went four years of trump.
You went through a recessionduring college.
You went through 9-11 duringhigh school.
Middle school Went through thesniper in this area.

DeLaw (09:30):
DC sniper.
I remember that one we wentthrough.
But the DC sniper is thedefinition of if you are doing
any criminal activities, towatch the news, to see what
they're saying about you, so youtry not to fall.
He said oh, I only kill onMondays.

(09:51):
Nah, nigga, I'm about to killon a Wednesday.
Oh, I don't kill no one on theweekends.
Let me put up two bullets andpeople on a Sunday, Saturday,
Sunday.

Wes (10:03):
That was a wild time.

DeLaw (10:05):
Yeah, because you know that one of the kids got shot
down the street from the highschool where I was, yeah, and I
was like man and they was likeall right, everyone stay in.
You know they didn't dismiss usfrom school.
I forgot why they didn't.
No, they put the school onlockdown.
They just forgot why theydidn't.

(10:26):
No, they, they put the schoolon lockdown.
They just put us in lockdownand told us to, um, we had to
stay in the building until theschool was school day was over
and we couldn't go outside asfar as like to anything.
And then, when it was time toleave, they were uh, they, they
were having a hard time gettingthe buses hold on.

Wes (10:42):
So did your high school?
Your high school had, uh, thetrailers and shit, right right
Like going outside for classes.
So those people, if they hadthat class, where was they going
?

DeLaw (10:50):
They went to class.

Wes (10:52):
How they told y'all not to go outside.

DeLaw (10:54):
Yeah, you can't Out front .
Oh, out front, the trailerswere in the back.
You know if he came on school,if he?

Wes (11:01):
But he had a sniper rifle.

DeLaw (11:02):
But what if he off school grounds and he knew the woods
going into the well, the onlyway that he was remember he was
shooting from the trunk of hiscar.
Yeah, that's true, he.
He would have had to park atthe Bowie Library and then he
would have to get a decent shotwith everything that covers up
the bowie libraries, like thebaseball field, all the other
stuff.
So if anything, he would havebeen killing somebody at the

(11:24):
library and then, if that hewouldn't have been that close,
he would have had to just parkup closer to Bladensburg where
Annex was.
Yeah, so the reason he had adecent shot from where he hit
the kid at Benjamin Tasker wasbecause there's tennis courts
over there.
So where I used to live at,across the street from Benjamin

(11:46):
Tasker, once you get across thestreet you start walking down
towards where Bowie is and youtake the path.
You run into these tenniscourts, these tennis courts.
I don't know if it's abasketball court over there, but
these tennis courts are parkedover there and boom and pulled
out, nice and slow, and left thescene.

Wes (12:04):
Yeah.

DeLaw (12:08):
I think it was I forgot whose brother was.
I think I want to say her namewas like dominic or something.

Wes (12:13):
Her brother was the one how many people in the area knew
that.
Uh, that boy yeah, because Ihad some at.
Uh, I think he had once.
It see, I think he had went toMLK for a little bit and then
went there because I went to MLK.
I can't really remember.

(12:34):
It's been so long ago and I'mnot going to misspeak.
I don't know who listens tothis, I don't know how touchy
that is with people, but therewere a lot of people that knew
him.
It was crazy.
It was a crazy time.

DeLaw (12:47):
It was.
It was.
I mean I still went out.
And I remember I was going outto get gas one day.
My mom was like oh, make surethat when you pump your gas you
lay on the ground.
I said lay on the ground.

Wes (12:57):
I think your mom did not say that, did she?

DeLaw (13:00):
Make sure you lay on the ground because he's killing
people at the gas station.
And I was like well in my headbefore they said on the news, I
said, well, it sounds like he'sonly working Monday through
Friday.
It's a.

Wes (13:10):
Saturday.

DeLaw (13:15):
But you know, at that time I had a Ford Explorer.
I think at that time I had aFord Explorer where I would get
gas for.

Wes (13:23):
You were driving at that time.

DeLaw (13:25):
Yeah.

Wes (13:25):
You was in at that time yeah.
You was in the 12th grade.

DeLaw (13:32):
I'm not sure what 12th grade year I was in, but I was
in one of them.

Wes (13:35):
Oh my God, I think I was in the 10th.
I didn't mean to ask yousomething like that, but yeah, I
get it.

DeLaw (13:42):
I was in one of the 12th grade years.
You know what I'm saying.
But, oh well, yeah, no, I wasdriving, I had um, just got in
my, I got my provisionals, okay,no, no, no, no, I had gotten my
full-blown driver's licensebecause you could get it, um, so
you did your.
So you got your learners at 15and I think I got mine at 15 and

(14:04):
11.
I got my driver's license likejanuary, february, because I did
.
You know, you got you don'tgotta have that for a couple
months until you get on anddrive in school.
Then you gotta have yourprovisionals.
I think it was was 16 monthsuntil, without any um, any uh

(14:24):
tickets or anything.
I did my 16 months or whatever,without any sort of.
When I turned, I want to say Ihad either just turned 18 and I
had my driver's license, a lotof people who I know they got

(14:45):
speeding tickets and all thatother stuff.
So you know it starts everytime you get a ticket or
something, it starts over.
So as I got closer and closerto 16 months, I was like eight,
I'm like 18 months.
Yeah, the closer and closer Igot to 18 months, I was like let
me go go ahead and slow down onthe road and not get no tickets

(15:06):
.

Wes (15:07):
I wasn't even driving when I had mine.
I got it, but my mom stillwouldn't let me drive.
Nothing, that was an easycakewalk for me.

DeLaw (15:16):
It's probably for the best.

Wes (15:18):
Man, I would have been getting all types of coochie if
I was able to drive.
Oh man, it probably was for thebest.
Yep, probably was for the best.

DeLaw (15:31):
Hey man, At least you didn't get caught having sex by
the police like I did in thecar.

Wes (15:37):
Why you like young, young.

DeLaw (15:41):
Yeah, about the same time I got my driver's license.

Wes (15:44):
Man.
I almost got caught as an adultand I knew I shouldn't have
been where I was at.

DeLaw (15:51):
I had no idea.
I was an adult when I got olderand realized you could just
pull into differentneighborhoods and just park in
front of somebody else Hopefully.
I ain hopefully out there andif it's late it's like park in
front of it but park indirectly.

(16:12):
It was like a sweet spot.
It was in between two houses.

Wes (16:20):
How'd you get caught on a sweet spot then I?

DeLaw (16:22):
didn't get caught on a sweet spot, I got caught in a
parking lot.

Wes (16:25):
Yeah, that's come on.
Well, I can't even say come on.
I did that shit as an adult.
And guess which parking lot Idid it at?
Oh, at the mall, RedskinStadium.
Really Stupid Hell yeah.

DeLaw (16:38):
It's not the best place to do that at.

Wes (16:40):
It's definitely not the best place because you know it
was wide the fuck open and itwas a police officer right
across and I'm like the wholetime, I'm just like and right
there I guess he was like Iain't fucking with these
motherfuckers.

DeLaw (16:56):
Yeah.

Wes (16:56):
So not the best choice of judgment, but hey, sometimes
that car as you call it,roadhead is just like the best.

DeLaw (17:10):
Yeah, I think that was the only time we got caught.
Yeah, I forgot what I wastalking about.
I think we were somewhere inBowie and the thing was I had
been going there for so long.
The police never came through.

Wes (17:27):
they never came through there, or Flowers High School,
that was the other spot youdrove all the way to Flowers
because you went around the backway of the house.

DeLaw (17:36):
Well, the chick lived by Flowers so it was a short ride,
I got you, but we never did itin front of our houses, it was
always somewhere else.
And I was like, well, if wepull up in a neighborhood in
front of someone else's house,like kind of like we're like

(17:57):
it's not in front of the housebut the side of house, we should
be fine.
But us, not knowing that, wejust went and parked by.
You know, we parked differentparking lots.
So yeah, I got caught, man, itmessed my mojo up for a minute.

Wes (18:16):
For a good minute messed up my mojo, so when that happens
you get a ticket.

DeLaw (18:19):
You can For indecent exposure.

Wes (18:22):
But what happened, though?
Like he just said, y'all gottaleave.

DeLaw (18:26):
He said put your clothes on.
You gotta leave.

Wes (18:28):
You had all your fucking shit off.

DeLaw (18:32):
Well, no, I just have my pants off.
Oh yeah, it was a hot day thatday.
It's hot.

Wes (18:44):
Yo, sorry, it was a hot day , that day, alright .

DeLaw (18:50):
And the weird part was we had already and we had just
finished too.

Wes (18:56):
We were just kind of chilling there.
Why was your pants just off?

DeLaw (18:59):
You were just chilling there, I don't know, I was out
of breath, I don't know.

Wes (19:05):
Oh my, I don't know out of breath.

DeLaw (19:06):
I don't know oh my, yeah, it messed up my mojo for a
minute where, like it, just Ijust wouldn't.
I think I was traumatized alittle bit.

Wes (19:23):
Oh my, you know you well, it is in the past tense.
You suck it up and you figureout what you did wrong and you
don't do it again.

DeLaw (19:31):
Well, we'll just say for a little bit I wasn't given a
good performance, damn.
I got you and then after awhile I kind of got over it, and
then I a while I kind of gotover it and then I was fine.
But yeah, I started giving goodperformances like years later.

(19:51):
But that's when I alsoremembered to not park in
parking lots and to find thatsweet spot around homes.

Wes (20:06):
I'm laughing because it's true.
I'm laughing because it's true,I've been there.

DeLaw (20:15):
You know, when I look back I'm just like damn Of all
the places we could have went.
We were just choosing these twoplaces.
I was like man at one point wewould always hit the movie
theaters because the policenever showed up in the movie
theaters, you ever do it in thefamily bathroom, the movie
theater Try once man.

Wes (20:40):
I remember my.

DeLaw (20:43):
Yeah, what if it like getting started someone knocking
on the door?

Wes (20:49):
I'm in here like what the fuck?

DeLaw (20:52):
after that I was like nah , let's just.

Wes (20:55):
I was like man, I'll just crank you yo tell me why,
speaking of Bowie, it was atBowie.
No, I'm sorry, it wasn't atBowie, it was at anything.
It was at the movie theater atPotomac Yards when it was there
that movie.
No, I'm sorry, it wasn't thatmovie, it was that thing.
It was the movie theater atPotomac Yards when it was there.
I'm on a date.
That's Virginia, right, yeah,and you know man shorty coming

(21:17):
out or whatever and going to thebathroom and shit, I'm in a
bathroom and I'm in a bathroom.
I didn't think nobody was in abathroom so I'm not really
paying attention because I'malso sleepy too.
It's like one o'clock.
I go to pee and I could swim by.
Yo.
I just seen something red fromthe, you know, at the corner of
my eye, like red, like, likesomebody had something red on.
I'm thinking it's a guy, oldtime woman, but I guess they

(21:42):
were, and the guy was in theretoo.
But I guess she got scared andprobably tried to leave out
before I could leave out, beforebefore I came in and me not
paying attention.
So she's on the back wall.
You know how you wait forsomebody to finish peeing.
She's on a back wall, I'mpeeing and I go like this and
she kind of just says, hey, andI'm like you know I shake and
I'm like I'm like yo, is youknow I shake and I'm like I'm

(22:07):
like yo, is that a guy or is shein here with somebody?
And you come up out, she's inthere with somebody.
She had a dress on at that.
I was like, oh, I fucked uptheir shit.
Let me get the fuck out of here.
Wash my hands, get the fuck outof here.

DeLaw (22:16):
Yeah, yeah, I done walked in on that.
We had a fraternity crush partyso I was like I need to spaff
real quick.
So when I rolled in, one of thebrothers was in there and you
could see there was another girl.
You could see there was a girlin there and I'm like, oh, she
gave him a hand.
I was like okay, I go ahead andjust start pissing and he's like

(22:41):
, hey, don't even worry about it.
Okay, wash my hands, hands goout, get my drink.
And shit happened and I waslike I don't even want to know
who was in there with him, but Ijust know because she didn't
give a shit that we were comingin there when the alcohol, when
the alcohol was flowing, youjust kind of complete the

(23:04):
mission.

Wes (23:04):
Man, both parties, both parties.
That shirt just reminded me oflike alcohol flowing.
It was this good bus thing onInstagram guy was like the
generations that been throughdifferent types of drinks, like
the 80s, and I think the 80swent through Thug Passion, which
was Cristal and Alize mix orsometimes you'll do, hennessy.

(23:25):
The 90s they went throughIncredible Hope, which was
hypnotic, and shit, hypnotic andWas it hypnotic and champagne.
No hypnotic, and that's a bonecrusher right.
No, hypnotic, and I just seenthe clip Hypnotic and how the
fuck I forget that?
I just seen the clip.

(23:46):
Hypnotic and hennessy hypnoticand hennessy, give you the bone
I mean I'm about to say bonepressure get, uh, an incredible
hall and they stay.
And the guy was like it's thisthing called the niggle or some
shit like that, the niggle,wiggle or some shit like that.
It that niggle, wiggle, someshit like that.
It was all this shit mixedtogether and I was just like

(24:06):
geez, louise man.
So he said people survivingthat shit, they survive all
other shit.
He said times will be had andI'm like I bet it ain't nothing
like a mixed concoction of shitwhere you'd be like God damn,
you know it's dangerous afteryou didn't took that first sip.
But you see, everybody elsetake that sip and you like you

(24:30):
know what I think I'm gonnapartake whenever, what everybody
else going into that I mighteven get, even more luckier.

DeLaw (24:33):
You know, my percentage rate might go up getting lucky.
So yeah, because everybody was.
I know when I was in highschool everyone was drinking
hypnotic.
I mean because obviously it waslight and alcohol.
I mean it wasn't like a hardalcohol, but everybody was just
taking it.
I forgot what they were mixingit with, but they were like I
think that shit's straight.
I think they mixed enough juicein it that it would slush up,

(24:57):
because you know alcohol ain'tfreezing.
But it'll slush up if you don't.
It'll slush up once you putenough non-alcoholic foods in it
.
So, but that's what they weredoing, bringing it to school,

(25:18):
and they were like oh no, it'sjust a Kool-Aid.
It's just Kool-Aid.
I'm like it's Kool-Aid.
There's no way.
It's just Kool-Aid, because youcould.
It's Kool-Aid.
There's no way.
It's just Kool-Aid, because youcan smell it on them.
I'm like alright.

Wes (25:34):
We had motherfuckers drinking in high school on
campus.
We just had weed smokers.
No alcohol, just weed.

DeLaw (25:44):
Alcohol was easier to bring in as long as you weren't
acting crazy.
But administrators never reallygot in your face like that.
And when you're, even if youbrought it in, so let's say you
bring it in dark liquor, right,and you just had a coke bottle.

(26:06):
No one's really checking foryou because it's just a coke
bottle, unless they can visiblysmell see you, yeah, or see you
acting a little bit uh yeahweird.
So if I would?
So let's say I was walking pasta menstruator, I was taking a
swig of it and he smelled it.
I was like what's that?
Let me smell that.
You know what I'm saying.

(26:27):
But if I didn't have it insight and all I smelled like was
alcohol, it would be somethingdifferent, because they're not.
You know, unless you're talkingto them directly, you can't
smell them.
Unless you're a real alcoholicat the age of 16, 17 years old
the age of 16, 17 years old,which a lot of them kind of were
.
But you know, a lot of times, aslong as you you know, you know

(26:50):
how it is.
Even in college one of mybrothers used to bring alcohol
and I'd be sitting behind himwhen he cracked it open.
I could smell it.
So I know, I knowadministrators can smell it.
That's why we were always likeyou know, just keep it down If
you're going to be drinking orwhatever.

Wes (27:10):
Yeah, it's all you know yo question for you and you're um.
In your personal experience, umdo you think um getting older,
um has changed what you thinkabout society and, uh, what you

(27:33):
want your preferred lifestyle tobe man, where you be coming up
with these hard-ass questionsthat's not our question.
You should be thinking aboutthese, you're, you should be
thinking about these thingsanyway man, that's not hard.
Let's start with the first one,the first part of that.

DeLaw (27:46):
Look, look, you got older , right, you're older this year.
Money, fuck my wife okay,that's yours that's just that's
your particular.

Wes (27:59):
Yes, I get that, but society, for an example, has
your views, since you've gottenolder changed.

DeLaw (28:11):
I just think all these motherfuckers crazy that's it.

Wes (28:14):
You didn't think they were crazy back then.

DeLaw (28:15):
No, back then I thought shit was cool, like all the dumb
shit that people be doing.
Oh yeah, that's.
Oh yeah, yeah.
I won't thought shit was cool,like all the dumb shit that
people be doing.
I'm like, oh yeah, that's.
Oh yeah, yeah, yeah, I want tobe like that.

Wes (28:22):
And then now I'm looking at Dumb shit like what Shit you
actually seen, or shit you seenon TV.

DeLaw (28:26):
Shit that I see on like TV stuff that I see some cool.
Back then I look back and I'mlike, damn, I thought that shit
was cool.
What the fuck was I thinkingabout?

(28:47):
Now I just think that we're allcrazy.
Now I see what my steps are.
The same thing.
This would be cool to do.
Let me do something crazy.
I'm just like this.

Wes (29:01):
Basically, you have no hope for society.
I have Everybody's crazy.

DeLaw (29:06):
Everybody look, as we've gotten older, I feel like we
have gotten better and been like, okay, we gotta get better.
But if you look at the peoplewho are younger, I don't see no
hope for us.

Wes (29:21):
If these little motherfuckers going to be
running our government, we'redoomed sometimes I wonder if the
politicians in office now, andin every single realm of it, if
they think that because there'ssome old motherfuckers in the
office, including our president,current president single realm
of it.
If they think that, becausethere's some old motherfuckers
in the office, including ourpresident, current president.

DeLaw (29:43):
Biden, what about 105?
, 107?
Yeah, that nigga old Trumpain't too far behind him at 101,
103 fucking old ass,motherfucker.

Wes (29:58):
Sometimes I'm like get your old ass off that stage.
Everything you look old youmove old you sound old.

DeLaw (30:07):
The amount of pills he's taking just to make himself look
good and possibly be able tosleep with some woman is
ridiculous.
He got heart problems, diabetes, high blood pressure.
You know you're taking theViagra.

Wes (30:20):
Let's just go this way the lowest hanging fruit and that
motherfucker fat, because youcan have all those things and be
skinny or be slim.
He's fat, he's fat, yeah, fatass Nah.

DeLaw (30:47):
Let me start on that goop .
Um, all right.
Oh, you think we, you think wedoing.
Yeah, I think I think we'redoing.
I mean, I I still feel likethat the younger generation has
an opportunity to be better andto get themselves together.
But with what I'm seeing andwhat's becoming popular and
what's making them famous to gettheir millions or a hundred,
couple hundred thousand, I don't, I don't see too much.

(31:09):
I mean don't get me wrong Likethat's just looking at the
minority of people doing dumbshit, not counting for the
majority of people who areactually doing something and for
the majority of people who areactually doing something.
So I think, for the ones thatare doing something, that are
going to make some of themselves, I think we'll be fine.
It's just of how bad the timeforward is going to be and how

(31:33):
dumb shit's going to get it.
So you know how, like, balancehas gradually increased over the
years and all that, and howthings are done and how careless
people are.
I think we're at an all timehigh of that at some point.

Wes (31:49):
Yeah, I can see that.

DeLaw (31:51):
You know, back in the day it wasn't all these cameras and
you could get away with certainthings and whatever.

Wes (31:55):
Now, that just makes me think was it always like that
back in the day?
And now that there's cameras,we see more of it.

DeLaw (32:01):
Yeah, but it was a different coup back then.
Along with it was, I don't wantto say it was more honorable,
but I feel like a lot of themwere more honorable.

Wes (32:16):
You know what I mean.
They were held accountable,let's just put it that way.
So you had no choice but to behonorable in that particular
system.
When I say I don't mean by uh,being right or being good, I
mean you could be honorable.
And then in the seedy underworldyou know what I mean.
Like you, you you're doing thisshit with honor and you know to

(32:40):
the code and to the rules andstuff like that, I think it was
more someone was gonna hold youaccountable.
So in that regard, but, um,yeah, yeah, man, I kind of agree
with you.
Like, uh, the way I see society, I don't know, man, people just
don't have.
No, I can't say.

(33:00):
People, I agree with whatyou're saying.
Um, as I've gotten older Iain't gonna lie I honestly
thought things would be betterthan what I saw as a kid or as a
teenager, and not that I sawsome crazy effed up stuff, but
it's just like some of thethings that we'd be having

(33:22):
issues with.
And then I get older and I kindof read back or look at
something with better contextbecause I'm older to understand.
I'd be like this shit's stillgoing on yeah like to the point
where, like, let's just sayracism, for an example I talk to
my wife about this shit all thetime.
I was like yo, that has to be aform of retardation.
I was like there is no.

(33:44):
I know they say it's taught andit's not.
You know it's not.
Uh, racism is taught.
It's not like something thatyou're born with.
But I'm like, at some point youhave to see some signs along
the way that you go.
You know what.
This don't make no sense.
You know what I mean, like, butyet it's still here.
But, yeah, man, I always thoughtthat fucking the shit that I

(34:08):
would see on TV or just like, oh, living single, that's how it's
supposed to be.
I'm going to make enough moneyto you know?
Well, maybe not, but cause theywas all sharing an apartment,
would you go to me?
I'm going to have ahigh-earning job and I'm going
to get to do these cool thingsand this, this and that and go
on wacky adventures every.
Uh.
That's what my life's going tobe like.

DeLaw (34:29):
Which would always trip me out about living single.

Wes (34:32):
In general, you have an apartment, but upstairs yeah,
it's a duplex, a loft, anapartment with a loft.
Yeah, it was in Brownstones, sothat's a thing.
It just got converted into anapartment.
That's a thing in New York.

DeLaw (34:47):
It's a.
Thing.
I've been in some, you know,looking back at it, I was so
puzzled by like wait, how do youhave a?
It looked like a whole house.
You got all these things.
At least with Martin it was allone floor of an apartment, yeah
.

Wes (35:04):
The one thing that always triggered me about Martin trying
to write right next toShanaynay door there was an
incinerator.
But I didn't know what anincinerator was or could
pronounce it at the time that Iwas watching it, because that
was when I was in third gradeand shit.
But I'm like damn like if youhad that apartment now would you
want to live next to thefucking incinerator?
People every day coming up toyour front door opening up that

(35:26):
hatch, throwing shit in there.

DeLaw (35:29):
Yeah.

Wes (35:31):
My wife before she the drinks that on Baltimore have
that college park, not thatcollege park, the college park
Buffalo Wild Wings.

DeLaw (35:41):
Yeah.

Wes (35:42):
The apartments over there.
They had an incinerator.
Why'd you stay over there?
They just throw your trash inthat bitch and I don't know, I
don't know what happens outthere.
I had one of them bitches, butthat was outside, going towards
the garage.
That was inside the fuckingbuilding, so you know it
shouldn't any place stink.

(36:03):
But yeah, man, I always thoughtshit was going to be like that
or even like I want better beingin school.
You know how you watchNickelodeon or Disney and shit
like that.
I'd be like, oh, my next schoolyear is going to be just like
this and when I get there itain't like that at all.
Society has a way of sellingyou dreams to keep you pushing
forward to.

(36:23):
You know the uh to do thethings that they want you to do,
whoever they is.
Yeah, because I remembertalking to one of my home girls.
I was like, whenever I used tosee shit like uh, stuff on
nickelodeon or, um, the disneychannel and shit like that, like
the families and shit and thehouses they would stay in.
Yeah, I would just imagine likein my area those places would

(36:45):
be like Fairfax, Virginia,because every time my mom or
whoever we like, we drivethrough VA and go to that area,
it was just like completelydifferent.
Even though we didn't live in abad area where we uh stayed, it
was just more or less like notrash on the street, houses look
nice, kids playing in the yard,people watching their cars it

(37:07):
looked like something out of afucking movie or out of a TV
show.
So that's just me, I would say.
I had a very optimistic look onsociety when I was younger and
now it's just more of us likehow do I stay away from the

(37:28):
bullshit?
And don't get me wrong, there'sa lot of positivity with
society right now.
But it's kind of like you.
You gotta break yourself awayfrom the bullshit just to kind
of see what the positive stuffis.
It's not right in your face.
The bad stuff is always goingto be right in your face.
The negative shit, yeah.

(37:53):
The positive shit it's.
You know it's there, but youknow.

DeLaw (38:00):
They have you believe that you can work these low
level jobs and have a place tostay.

Wes (38:04):
The dreams they sold us back then did you hear about the
guy that, not only that, andthen the jobs.
They treat you like shit.
They literally like I'm goingto treat you like a number.
I don't care if you see I'mtreating you like a number or
employee number was what I mean.
I don't care if you see I'mtreating you like a number or an
employee number is what I mean.
I don't care if you see metreat you as an employee number.
You is what you is.
That type of shit.

(38:25):
You are what you are.
For example, I don't know ifyou've seen it or heard about it
or not, but the guy in Texas,the security guard.

DeLaw (38:36):
I didn't hear about the guy in Texas.

Wes (38:38):
Yeah, he.
So basically he's doingsecurity and he's doing security
actually.

Speaker 2 (38:46):
Attacked on the job by two guys he believes were
trying to steal his car.
He says he is disappointed inhow police and his boss handled
the situation.
Fox 7's John Krynjak joining uslive from East Austin with more
on this tonight.
John, yeah, mike, rebecca, weinterviewed security officer

(39:07):
Percy Payne outside this garagewhere the attack happened on
Monday night.
During our interview, percyPayne's supervisor showed up.
An argument ensued between thetwo of them.
That argument ended with MrPayne quitting his job and the
supervisor saying that theattack was his fault.

(39:27):
This was not how security guardPercy Payne expected his shift
to go Monday night at thisoffice building on East 6th and
Brushy.
It all started around 9 30 whenhe spotted on surveillance
video two guys going inside theprivate underground garage.
The door was apparently stuckopen.

Speaker 4 (39:47):
I witnessed two young Hispanic males on two electric
scooters.

Speaker 2 (39:52):
He went downstairs to check it out and he says he saw
the teens messing around withhis personal car.

Speaker 4 (39:58):
One individual was at my driver door with his back to
me, looking back.
The other individual was at mypassenger door facing me, being
a lookout.

Speaker 2 (40:07):
The suspect saw him and ran off.
He chased after them and sayshe tried to detain them until
someone could call the cops.
Then things got physical.

Speaker 4 (40:17):
Young individual tried to run me over with his
scooter multiple times and thenthat's when HR started to
assault.

Speaker 2 (40:23):
Payne says he noticed a screwdriver in one of their
pockets.

Speaker 4 (40:26):
I heard the individual say hold him, and
that's when he went for thescrewdriver to try to stab me.
I let them go and immediatelywent to get my work phone to
call 9-1-1.

Speaker 2 (40:36):
Payne told the dispatcher he wasn't hurt badly
enough to require EMS, butneeded an officer to respond
because of what happened to him.

Speaker 4 (40:44):
Even though I told her I got assaulted, she told me
we will not be sending policeofficers out there because they
did not steal your car.
And that is when I hung up.

Speaker 2 (40:54):
He called 911 again a few minutes later.

Speaker 4 (40:57):
I got a different operator.
I told her the situation.
She apologized.

Speaker 2 (41:02):
About an hour after that an officer did arrive.
Tupain says was very helpfuland the attack is being
investigated by detectives as anaggravated assault Officer told
me that that call should havebeen an emergency case.
APD telling Fox 7 Wednesdaynight they listened to both 911
calls and, quote it sounds likeit was handled correctly and

(41:23):
within policy.
Apd says an officer didn'trespond the first time because
it didn't meet certain criteria.
Quote the suspects were nolonger on scene.
In this case the caller statedthat he was fine, did not need
EMS and no vehicle was stolen.
So we would not respond to anattempted car break-in or a
stolen vehicle attempt.

Speaker 4 (41:43):
I don't think that it was taken as seriously as it
should have been.

Speaker 2 (41:46):
It was as we were discussing this that Payne's
supervisor with Preby Securitywalked up and asked him to stop
talking with us while he was onthe job.

Speaker 4 (41:55):
We are very sorry that what happened to you.
We have a policy you're notsupposed to do any interviews in
your uniform.
If you wanna do this as aprivate citizen, you can.
I understand what you're saying, but it's also my safety and
this is the only way mysituation will get out there.

Speaker 2 (42:14):
Things escalated with Percy making the decision to
quit.
Take your uniform off.
Yes, ma'am, yes ma'am.
But the argument continued.
I'm pretty sure I wouldn'ttouch him.

Speaker 4 (42:27):
You touched him.
Is it my fault?
I would say yes, every bit ofit is your fault.
Okay, thank you, here you go.
No worries the fact that mysupervisor basically told me it
was my fault that I gotassaulted.
That let me know all I neededto know.

Speaker 2 (42:45):
Now, tonight, payne tells you Straight crazy right.

DeLaw (42:50):
So it was my fault that I got assaulted.

Wes (42:56):
It was security.
So she basically just wantedhim to just like show face like
yo.
We got this contract to showthat we got security.
But we don't want you doingnothing.
It's your fault that you gotattacked, even though you was
kind of securing the premisesand shit and he's unarmed
security.

DeLaw (43:17):
Don't let him be unarmed security.
That might have been.
We would have been, yo, hewould have let off.
What did it mean?
He's a crew driver.
We would have been talkingabout two.
Two dead, we would have beentalking about two bodies Sheesh
man, Shit.

Wes (43:33):
Don't let him.
That's what I mean, man.
It's just like that's what Iwas saying.
Like in society, like the hopethat you have, like you see shit
like that all the time and youdo see the positive shit and
I'll just be like god damn, Ithought it would be more
positive, I thought it would belike you know what marlo the
king was right.
You'll see a lot more of that,but nah, I mean the 9-1-1 code,

(43:57):
which they were like.

DeLaw (43:57):
It meant the guidelines, but if it is an attempted
burglary, come to a fuckerpolice report.

Wes (44:03):
Collect some tapes, motherfucker, you know what I
mean.

DeLaw (44:06):
I'm security calling you.
In theory it's non.
It might be a non-emergency,but you still send an officer
out there to fingerprint, assessthe scene, all the other stuff,
but you're like we're notsending nobody out.
It's like what you send people?
You send a police officer outfor he said, she said things.

(44:29):
Right, or the person next doorto me is loud oh, someone parked
in my spot and they won't move.
But you'll send out for that,but not for someone who's just
fighting for his life, to giveyou a finger press for some kids
who might have a record Likecome on.

Wes (44:46):
That's what I'm saying, man .
That's what I'm saying.

DeLaw (44:52):
If that's the case.
So what you're telling me is,because we all know that you
can't I know you can't presscharges unless something happens
.
If someone pulls up to yourhouse with a gun and was like
I'm going to kill you, you cancall all you want and say hey,
did they kill you?
No, well, if they do, let usknow.
That's how it sounds.

Wes (45:14):
Listen.
That made me have like no faithand then turn around I was like
I got a little bit of faith.
He got it.
I think somebody offered him ajob.
He has the job now like allwithin like some hours and shit
like that, because it's kind oflike yo, like he quit right
there on TV, like she came andembarrassed that man on TV and
made him feel like he weren'tworth shit and told him it was

(45:35):
his fault that all this wasdoing his job, like the thing
wasn't oh, the thing was open.

DeLaw (45:42):
They rolled up in there, they took the opportunity to
break and try to break into acar they had a screw, that they
had a screwdriver, because youknow what they're about to do.
They're about to jam it intothe, into the thing and try and
crank it.
But cars don't crank like that,no more.
Some of them still do.

Wes (46:02):
The old ones, the old ones.

DeLaw (46:04):
But you ain't cranking.
Someone was saying how they gotto wait to steal the
push-to-start cars.
You need an S-USB or this othershit.
By the time you get throughbreaking into the car, breaking
open a little panel underneathor breaking whatever thing, is

(46:27):
plugging the usb, doing all thisother stuff.
What was?
That is not an in and out, thatis is not going in 60 seconds,
taking too much time, yeah.
You know, yeah, you might do itat 4 o'clock in the morning, but

(46:48):
let's say or daylight, what itseemed like it was that one.
I mean because all these carsgot alarms on it, not all of
them?
Oh yeah, every car now has them, unless it's an old, old, old
car I got a 2015.

Wes (47:01):
I don't have one.

DeLaw (47:02):
Man, all cars got an alarm.

Wes (47:05):
I just told you I got a 2015 that don't have one.

DeLaw (47:08):
Hit the close button twice, you got an alarm.

Wes (47:11):
Yeah, I got to hit the close button twice in order for
that to happen.
This is not motion.

DeLaw (47:20):
Speaking of that, I need to see about that, though.
I'm talking about as far asonce they open that door, that
alarm goes off.
Like if I lock my doors theycan break the window, but once
they open the door, the alarmgoes off.
Yeah, it's all on the entranceof the vehicle, so, but all the
time you take by doing that,once the alarm goes off, it's
like hold up what the hell'sgoing on.

(47:44):
And then breaking into people'shouses is just as dangerous,
especially if they hear youcoming in and they got the gun
right there, yeah, but inMaryland you got to wait for
them to come in their housebefore you let off.
Hey, they can be at the frontdoor.
I just said that they got anoutback like officer.

Wes (48:11):
When I got knocked his ass right back out the house, I
don't know what to tell you he'sgot one foot in that pile so
what's?
So you gotta let him take twofeet into the house hey look,
one foot is enough I got scared.
He had a gun in his hand well,sir, we didn't find a gun.

DeLaw (48:30):
Well, I didn't know.
I thought it was a gun in hishand, shit it's.
It's like even like people arelike rolling up to the ring
cameras with masks on, I'm likeyou're not, that that's not a
smart thing to do, not that it'snot the smartest thing to do as
far as wearing a mask.

(48:51):
But you also have to rememberthose things.
Start recording after a certainpoint.
So that means if you pull it upin a vehicle with your license
plate showing out of the picture, you're going to get caught
with that.

Wes (49:05):
Yeah, you know what I mean.

DeLaw (49:08):
Or even if you pull up to so, because where we have our
ring cameras, our ring camerasgo out into the street a little
bit just to kind of catch thingscoming in.
So that's how we caught mystepson, like getting dropped
off at the house.
So who dropped you off?
Nobody.
You want to sit here and lie tome.
There's a whole car that wasout there.

(49:31):
You walk from around somebody,from the, from the back to the
front.
Who dropped you off?
You saw that, yeah.

Wes (49:42):
Which one is that?

DeLaw (49:44):
Well, you know, I also have my setting that it, once it
picks you up, it back records,I think, like 15 seconds.
Yeah.
So just in case, yeah, just incase it back records and then
records 15 seconds after, justin case you know, just in case
you know it back records andthen records 15 seconds after,

(50:05):
but no more than that, because30 seconds is a long time to be
looking to see who the hellrolled up on your doorstep.
Nah, my wife would do it, yeah,but but no, with the way some of
the stuff I see on the ringcamera on like little drinks
where you got the ring and youcan see where crime is happening
.
You see kids.

(50:26):
You see videos of kids checkingcars, kids rolling up to your
house checking your door teenageyou get all of them.
Just like you gotta be kiddingme, like y'all not have nothing
better to do, like what happenedto the good old days of just
going to go hoop.

Wes (50:43):
What happened to the good old days was like yo, if I fuck
up, I can be in jail and Icannot get no pussy.
I just don't understand,Because jail is glorified.

DeLaw (50:54):
You haven't noticed.
Look at all the shows you gotout there.

Wes (50:56):
Listen.
You go to jail.
They're going to go to jail andbe somebody else's pussy.
That is not what you want.

DeLaw (51:03):
Jail's a short state.
Prison is a different ballgame,because now you got problems in
prison.

Wes (51:13):
I'm using them interchangeably, but you know
what I mean.
A life of crime will lead youto be in prison.

DeLaw (51:19):
You've seen 90 days in or 60 days in.
That's jail, that's jail.
That's why you see them.
They kind of survive through it.
All the other stuff.
You're waiting to be sentenced,you're waiting to go to your
trials.
You're waiting for some otherstuff, sometimes because your

(51:41):
crime wasn't serious.
Waiting for some other stuff,yeah, sometimes because your
crime wasn't serious enough.
You're just in it.
Yeah, you know I've been inhere five years.
Oh, okay, cool, all right.
Yeah, you know I'm blase, blaseand I'll be out soon.
All right, cool.
But yeah, alright, cool.
But yeah, they, there's thisromanticizing about, about jail,

(52:06):
and all the young kids see itand they're just like, oh, it's
not that bad it's bad, but youdo also see motherfuckers in
jail, like I just seen thismorning.

Wes (52:17):
A guy had all his chains on some some J's on like a fresh
little fit and shit, walkedRolex, buzzed down In prison,
took that picture, sent it outand now the shit went viral.
It was on fucking the shaderoom.
I think I was just like whatfed Huh?

DeLaw (52:34):
It was fed prison, yeah.

Wes (52:38):
I didn't read all that.
I just know the niggas knockeddown.
I can't say I just know he'snot in the public.

DeLaw (52:45):
In jail, you get the blues.
In county, you get the blues.
In feds, you get the blues.
He had a whole fresh Nike shirt.

Wes (52:55):
Jeans retro 11s.
Cuban chains.
Jeans retro 11s.
Bust down Cuban chains, ringsand a Rolex.
I'm like how the fuck you getall that in there.

DeLaw (53:10):
Well, if it's a you don't know, I mean because, like I
said, when you go to county youain't know.
I mean because you, like I said, when you go to county, you
ain't walking around like that.
You know what I'm saying, ericyou, you try to keep up as low
of a profile as possible.

Wes (53:28):
No, I get that, I get all that.

DeLaw (53:30):
It's just like, and he got to end the gap and he's out
there yeah, maybe, uh, insidertraded it and got to one of the
light security ones where theylet you have a guitar and a TV.
Your J's, your chains, yeah,and you were the white collar
fed crimes where they're inminimum security.

(53:53):
Yeah, I could see it.
I could see it.

Wes (53:58):
Let me see if I can find this shit, just to see if I can
show you the picture.
Hello.

DeLaw (54:02):
I was watching a show and they were talking about.
He was like, yeah, you know, sothey let me have my guitar.
I got my picture.
I have a small TV and, you know, in the cell I'm like and it's
just a cell, but it looked nice.
I'm like what the fuck?
How the hell he get to have hisguitar, books, tv, he living

(54:25):
the dream.
He went in a little bit of time.

Wes (54:30):
I don't know if I'm going to find it because it's so
fucking new.
I'm just like I can't believethis shit.

DeLaw (54:37):
You know what I don't look at?
No shade room.
Huh, I don't read none of thatstuff.

Wes (54:43):
So I don't frequent it, but I'm assuming it was a shade
room, because I don't reallyremember Because it was this
morning.
I'm like this shit ain't real.
And then I didn't even read thecomments, I just was like man,
bullshit.
And then I'm thinking about it.
When you say it's glorified,that might be the reason why.
Uh, that might be the reasonwhy they don't, um, they don't

(55:07):
see prison or jail time asnothing is, because of stuff
like that.
If you always see them, like thepictures coming out on or they
on Instagram, or this, this andthat, like like Tax Stone and
then fucking and Joe Buddenstill going at it, and I'm like
how, like I don't get that.
I mean, I get it but I don'tget it.

(55:27):
So I don't know, I can't findthat shit.
I ain't want to look for it,but yeah, man, I, you know I
still got high hopes for societyand shit, even though it's,

(55:47):
it's just been proven that youknow the rich stay richer.
Nepotism always wins and youneed poor people because they
build this country.
So yeah, speaking of nepotism,Bronny James, if this could

(56:19):
either go horribly wrong orwrong, I can't see.
Do you think so?
You think the first?
Do you think the deal is.
What we don't know is likemaybe the first preseason games
or the first couple games.
He in the G League he in the GLeague already.

DeLaw (56:36):
Summer League, he ain't gonna be that great.
The only reason he makes theroster is on a two-way contract
between the Lakers and the GLeague.
Yeah, I agree.
Ain't no way he making thatroster.
Don't get me wrong Second-roundpicks make rosters all the time

(56:58):
, but compared to his teammatesat USC, he was the worst of all
of them.
He showed potential and sparksof it.
He was better off stayinganother year.

Wes (57:14):
He needed a little bit more development, which you're
saying.

DeLaw (57:17):
Yeah, he came back from the cardiac arrest which,
because we were talking aboutthat, I was like you know, he
came back from cardiac arrest.
They won't say what reallyhappened because you don't just
you do just go into cardiacarrest, but you don do just go
into cardiac arrest, but youdon't just go into cardiac
arrest, not at that age and notthat sort of peak physicalness.

(57:38):
So, as you know, with sports ingeneral, we won't say what
level.
There could have been some umhazing involved that they just
wouldn't do because, honestly,because you go to cardiac arrest
and workouts during non-schooltime, which is not permitted by
the NCAA, so you go into cardiacarrest.

(58:05):
You know, I forgot whensomebody said he played college
basketball.
He said at the time that hewent into it.
It was before they allowed theteams to actually start
practicing and trying out andall the other stuff.
This had to be somethingisolated in the training

(58:25):
facility.
He said it's a lot of stuffthat goes on behind closed doors
that no one knows, but we'llnever know.

Wes (58:38):
Yeah, and of course all that's hush-hush anyway.

DeLaw (58:43):
Yeah, and for him to go into cardiac arrest.
The meds were there, so thatmeans he was all right.
But you know, cardiac arrest ifno one, all right, but cardiac
arrest if not, what?
If I was going to cardiacarrest right now and it's just
my wife here nine times out often, you're dead.
It is what it is, the guy thatplayed for the Bills was lucky

(59:04):
that they were on the scene,Bronny was lucky that they were
on the scene.
But those are just some thingsthat you know.
But when he got back he stilldidn't play to what we thought
the potential would be.
He honestly played how Ithought he was going to play.

Wes (59:27):
I'm going to tell you like this even if there is a G League
stipulation, I don't think heplays.
Oh, no, he'll play.
He'll play in the G League.
No, no, no, I don't think hewants to Think about it.
You're probably only doing thisfor your dad, just to say that

(59:50):
y'all did it, and LeBron James,Lebron James, Lebron James Jr,
probably could do something else.
Bryce is a superstar.
We all know this.
Bryce is the up-and-comingsuperstar Bryce is nice.

DeLaw (01:00:03):
I like Bryce.
I like Bryce.
He's going to be something tofuck with.
He's going to be the lamelloball of the group Not that Lonzo
isn't good and if he can makeit back from that injury he

(01:00:26):
could.

Wes (01:00:26):
I don't know if he's making it back.

DeLaw (01:00:30):
I hope he does.
I hope he does Because I likeLonzo.
You know he wasn't necessarilylike a big time, like oh, I'm
going to score a bunch of points.
He was like he was a moreathletic John Stock, if that
makes sense Like he could playdefense.

(01:00:53):
He was looking to pass the ball, he wanted to be set up in the
offense but he would score if heneeds to.
That's how he was.
He was a taller, more athleticJohn Stock.
So you know, I'm not sure whatis a, I is not sure how it's

(01:01:16):
going, but I think I'm hoping hecomes back this year.
I don't know, I don't know howsevere that injury was.
I think he just keptaggravating it.

Wes (01:01:29):
he just needed to recover from it that's possible,
possible meeting and he justneeds to recover from it.
Yeah, that's possible, superpossible.
Injuries are unfortunate whenyou want to see good players
play in any profession.
See Mac getting his decline theway that it happened which is

(01:01:54):
like damn that.
You know.
You hate to see Derrick Rose.
Of all people, you hate to seeit.
You know what I mean.
Like it was just like jeez man.
It's heartbreaking as a fan,yeah, more heartbreaking to them
because they can't play the waythat they know they can Like
their body, just can't do it,even though the talent is there
that they know they can liketheir body, just can't do it.
Even though the talent is thereand they're like I'm better

(01:02:15):
than these motherfuckers youknow what I mean.
Like you still got that type ofcompetitiveness in you.
Yeah.

DeLaw (01:02:19):
I mean and luckily for Lonzo Ball's injury he doesn't
play in a way that he shouldaggravate it too much.
I mean, he's still a high-levelbasketball, but it's not like
Rose with all the cutting andmoving, jumping, dunking.

Wes (01:02:33):
Yeah, he ain't doing none of that, and even in Rose's
decline he was still nice withit.

DeLaw (01:02:38):
Yeah, I mean because what he hurt his knee in 2022.
He hurt his knee in 2022.
And I think he just keeps goingback for stuff because stuff
keeps getting into it, and it'sjust.
I think he'll be all right.

Wes (01:03:00):
Yeah.

DeLaw (01:03:01):
I think I, I give, even though the owner of the team
says they don't think he'll everplay again.

Wes (01:03:09):
They don't want to put the money on him, which is
understandable.

DeLaw (01:03:13):
At 26 years old.
He has a whole lot ofbasketball ahead of him and even
though he hasn't been hoopingthat meniscus tear and the
debris he got in there, he hadto keep going in for surgery to
get stuff out of it andeverything else.
I blame that on doctors.
You know how do you get debrisin there.
I need to get this shit out,get my knee right so I can get

(01:03:35):
rolling.
Meniscus tears aren't super bad.
I mean I took my ACL and mylateral meniscus.
I came back three to fourmonths later.

Wes (01:03:47):
Yeah.

DeLaw (01:03:48):
So something went wrong in that whole grand scheme of it
.
Yeah, I bet he'll be backopening night this year.
He's played 35 games in thelast two years.

Wes (01:04:13):
Wager that on DraftKings.

DeLaw (01:04:16):
I am.
I got him playing opening night, like I said, for a meniscus
tear and setbacks to get back towhere he was and the surgery to
get the debris out.
They weren't repairing hismeniscus again.
Eventually, stuff gets in there, some swelling, all that other

(01:04:40):
stuff.
Get all that out.
He'll be there opening night,not starting opening night.

Wes (01:04:51):
No, no, no.

DeLaw (01:04:52):
He'll be there opening night and with it'll be there
overnight and with the alicecaruso trade um and them getting
um, getting giddy um oh, okay,see, yeah, yeah yeah, they, um,
they might be opening up totrade them.

Wes (01:05:13):
Oh, just rebuild around, giddy.

DeLaw (01:05:16):
Rebuild around DeRozan.

Wes (01:05:20):
DeRozan's 37?
.

DeLaw (01:05:25):
Nah, DeRozan ain't that old.

Wes (01:05:27):
Yeah, he is.
Nah, you're right 34.

DeLaw (01:05:37):
You can still rebuild around the road, but it all
pretty much.
It sounds like the.

Wes (01:05:44):
Rosen has the best mid game , not the best, the best, yeah,
I'm gonna say he has one of thebest mid-game in the NBA right
now.
He's had it for a long time.

DeLaw (01:06:00):
It seems like everybody's waiting to see what Paul George
is going to do.

Wes (01:06:07):
Oh, if he's going to go to.

DeLaw (01:06:10):
I think if he goes to Chicago, demar DeRozan is going
to re-sign himself.
If he stays with the Clippers,I think DeMar DeRozan might be
looking for a new deal fromsomewhere else.

Wes (01:06:29):
Shout out to all those guys , even Bronny.
Yo shout out to all those guys,even Bronny, yeah, yo nevermind
.
I was going to say what doesmake you get too cat because you
like?
What if his rating is like?
Just what if the whole worldjust trolls us and they be like

(01:06:50):
his rating is at a 90?
What if the world trolls us andthey be like his rating is at a
90.
?

DeLaw (01:06:53):
I think his rating.
What if?

Wes (01:06:54):
the world trolls us and it's just like oh, he played a
full season with the Lakers.

DeLaw (01:07:03):
His rating is going to be 78.
71.
71?
.

Wes (01:07:12):
Yeah, yeah, 78 is kind of high If not lower.

DeLaw (01:07:17):
I honestly think he needs a 68, if not a 65.
I don't think he should berated higher than Scalabrini.

Wes (01:07:26):
All right, you crazy.
Lebron's going to come to yourhouse and Bryce is going to
smack you up while LeBron watch,just for you, saying that
Scalabrini, scalabrini is waybetter than him.

DeLaw (01:07:43):
Yeah.

Wes (01:07:47):
But you put him on par with Scalabrini.

DeLaw (01:07:49):
Hey look.

Wes (01:07:50):
Yeah, bryce is coming to slap you up.
Bryce is coming to slap you up,bryce is coming to slap you up.

DeLaw (01:07:54):
Look, scalabrini was literally the lowest rated
player in 2K Was the lowestrated player and that's why I
said he can't be better thanScalabrini.
So you either put him at thesame thing, where you know,
because I couldn't see Bronnyplay no defense.

(01:08:15):
He got some athleticism thatcome with him.
His jump shot a little broke.
You know You're going to gothere to LA.
You're going to get a coupleminutes JJ.
You know the reason they evenbrought JJ Red again was to make
sure that, to make sure thatBronny got some playing time.

Wes (01:08:39):
That's not why I honestly think this is.
I honestly think this is goingto be a situation where he plays
a couple games, they fulfill itand he don't even go to the G.
He might play the games in theG League and just bows out
because he didn't want to do itin the first place.
You don't think, so Fuck no,marcus and Jeff barely wanted to
fucking play in college.

(01:09:00):
Their dad was fucking MichaelJordan and then you got your dad
as fucking LeBron.
Do you really need to?
Dad could literally set you upwith a job and you can still
live like a millionaire.

DeLaw (01:09:15):
The Jordan kids, that's a little different because they
had a huge legacy to follow.

Wes (01:09:24):
What do you think?
It's not Michael Jordan'slegacy that LeBron has.
Lebron has his legacy.
It is still a huge legacy forhis kids to follow, Nah.

DeLaw (01:09:33):
I feel like LeBron has his legacy.
It is still a huge legacy forhis kids to follow.
Nah, I feel like it's not.
Lebron's legacy is a whole loteasier to follow than Michael
Jordan's legacy.

Wes (01:09:41):
Yo, any put is a thing they only and me and my homie talked
about this.
No matter what NBA player kidis in the NBA, ex NBA player kid
is in the NBA, Ex-NBA playerkid is in the NBA you first.
You still have to prove thatyou are at least who your
daddy's son is.
You know your daddy's son oryou surpass your dad.

(01:10:02):
The only one that has reallyeffectively been able to do that
is Steph.

DeLaw (01:10:09):
Yeah, and Kobe's dad is in the NBA.

Wes (01:10:11):
That's right.
That's the only one.
So huge legacy, no matter whatI think.
Austin.

DeLaw (01:10:20):
I think Austin Rivers did a good job.

Wes (01:10:21):
No, Austin Rivers talks too much and does nothing.
You know him right.
I still say Austin no, kobe andSteph are the only two.
You know him right.
I still say Austin no, no, hehas not done.
Kobe and Steph are the only two.

DeLaw (01:10:42):
If I had to choose what legacy I had to follow, I'd
rather follow LeBron, becauseit's hard to follow If I'm the
same height as my dad and I'mMichael Jordan's kid there's
only one that's the same heightas his dad yeah.

Wes (01:11:00):
Bryce, we're close to it.
That's the one we're talkingabout.
That's why I said, bronny, Ican't see it.
I think this is just for some.
This is literally to havesomething to talk about and to
break a record.

DeLaw (01:11:18):
Yeah, Bronny is small.

Wes (01:11:21):
He like 6'4" right, 6'2" right.
Something like that, yeah, Imean still you know taller than
me, but but, still.

DeLaw (01:11:32):
I mean, it's like you're going to try and follow your
dad's legacy.
First off, your dad was a was afreak of nature as far as what
he was doing when he came in.
He still was.
When he first got in.
He kind of lived up to the hypeand then kind of grew into the

(01:11:53):
hype, because the only person inmy opinion that really kind of
really lived up to the hype wasCarmelo.
When they first got in DwayneWade what are you talking about
Dwayne Wade?

Wes (01:12:06):
How are you going to get?

DeLaw (01:12:07):
Dwayne Wade like that.
But honestly I still think Meloshould have won Rookie of the
Year.
Yeah, Cleveland was horrible, Isaid.
Well, Denver was horrible too.

Wes (01:12:20):
Denver was extremely horrible.

DeLaw (01:12:22):
But Melo took his team to the playoffs in a harder
division and LeBron didn't makethe playoffs.

Wes (01:12:39):
But that was the same year that Dwyane Wade was crossing
everyone up.

DeLaw (01:12:43):
Yeah, because did the Heat make the playoffs that?

Wes (01:12:46):
year, I can't recall.
I want to say I want to saythey did.
I want to say they did yeah,because I think Shaq came over
what year two of Shaq came overyear three.

DeLaw (01:13:05):
No, he came year three.
Year two he came in year twoyeah because that that that was
a year that they lost to thePistons.
Right, yeah, that was the yearthat they lost to the.

Wes (01:13:15):
Pistons right, yeah, that was the year they lost.
Oh yeah, yeah, yeah, it wasyear two of the win.
Yeah and it was stacked too.

DeLaw (01:13:24):
Yeah.

Wes (01:13:27):
Yeah, shout out to those guys, Bronny, we're going to see
what you're going to do, yeah.

DeLaw (01:13:32):
He did make the playoffs his first year.
Yeah, yeah, yeah, they beat theHornets and then lost to the
Pacers.

Wes (01:13:37):
Yeah, we're going to see what y'all are going to do, and
I'm not a determinant if me orDeLaw gets 2K Pretty much yeah.
But on that note, thankeverybody for tuning in and see
you next time.