November 20, 2025 • 46 mins
A political pivot is easy to post but hard to prove. We open with Marjorie Taylor Greene’s sudden distance from Trump, then ask the harder question: what does real accountability look like for anyone who cheered harmful policies and normalized cruelty? Drawing on Alyssa Milano’s sharp Substack, we separate performance from change and make the case that words aren’t enough - consistent votes, policies, and courage under pressure are the only receipts that matter.
From there, we trace the currents feeding our polarized moment: the male loneliness crisis as both a real ache and a gateway to resentment, the status whiplash some white men feel as equity advances, and the stereotype panic that erupts when joyful representation clashes with old narratives. We talk about why empathy must live alongside boundaries, and why character is revealed by how we meet discomfort. Then the stakes rise. We unpack veterans in Congress urging service members to refuse unlawful orders and Trump’s furious response, including amplified calls for violence. Normalization is the authoritarians’ favorite tool; accountability is how we blunt it.
To breathe again, we end with the coziest of escapes: Hallmark movies. Yes, the tropes are real - the almost‑kiss, the bakery, the small town miracle - and yes, we lovingly roast the “indicating” acting and chaste finales. But there’s value in comfort, especially as the genre diversifies and challenges narrow ideas of “traditional family.” Joy is not frivolous; it’s fuel.
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Carmen Lezeth (00:00):
Hey everyone.
Welcome to All About the Joy.
This is Culture and Consequencewith Carmen and Andrea.
Hey Andrea, how you doing?
I'm good.
I'm cold.
Right?
People don't understand that itis freezing in Los Angeles.
It is.
It's 61 or something.
It's what?
I know, but it's like like it'slike 61, and people think we're
(00:22):
ridiculous because 61 would bebeautiful weather on the East
Coast or something.
I'm like, no, you don'tunderstand.
Andrea (00:27):
That's if it's under 70, it's butt-ass cold.
Carmen Lezeth (00:30):
That's it's really but butt-ass cold.
I love that.
Um okay, so um I sent you ourlittle agenda of what we would
talk about.
And I didn't know if you had achance to read.
Um, we're gonna talk about thewhat's her name?
Marjorie Taylor Green, MTGcoming to the realization that
(00:54):
Trump is um, I don't know.
But I sent you a link and Ithink everyone should read it.
Um, I could actually read itright now so that we could have
it on air.
I don't know.
Do you think I should do that?
I think you can just sendpeople to it.
I mean, it's send people to it.
So I generally I don'tgenerally like give too much
(01:15):
substance to celebrities when itcomes to politics because I
think they have a right tobelieve whatever they want or
whatever, and they'recelebrities and they use their
you know pulpit or whatever youcall it.
What's it called?
Their platform, pulpit,whatever, and whatever way they
choose to.
And sometimes it pisses me off.
George Clooney, I'm talking toyou.
(01:36):
And then sometimes someone likeAlyssa Milano, who I don't even
follow, she wrote this amazingSubstack on this situation.
Um, and I'll link it in the uhnotes for you to look at, but it
was really well done, and itwas basically calling out
Marjorie Taylor Green's newfoundum is it hatred of Donald
(01:56):
Trump?
Or I don't know what the rightword is.
Andrea (02:01):
Yeah, I don't I don't, you know, I don't know what to
say about it.
It's uh I don't know what theright word is.
Carmen Lezeth (02:08):
She has come to an understanding that Trumpism
is bad and that Trump is badbecause of the Epstein file
debacle.
Um she was calling for theEpstein files to be released,
and she decided that now was hertime.
That was the red line for her.
And now she's like, oh my God,they're coming after me.
I'm getting death threats, andand Alyssa Milano and a lot of
(02:32):
other people, but Alyssa Milanoput it in a really well-written
thing, and it just, you know,why didn't you care when all
this was happening to everyoneelse?
Where were you during January6th?
Where were you during all ofthe different times when this
was obvious to everyone else?
And now you're clutching yourfake pearls at the injustice and
(02:53):
the, you know, so she wasbasically saying if you're going
to, you know, now come tofruition, you need to actually
do it in a much more truthfulway, tell all the lies, tell
everything.
Like she wants more from herbefore she accepts her back in a
way.
I don't know.
Andrea (03:12):
Yeah, I mean, you know how I don't know how you feel
how I feel about this.
I mean, it's like you know,it's I don't know, I'm at a loss
for words.
Like, she's so insincere, youknow, and it's performative,
it's it's performative for sure.
Um, and I think that uh truly,I think it maybe has less to do
(03:36):
with Epstein and more like she'smad at Donald Trump for
whatever reason, you know, andthere are rumors floating around
about why she might be mad atDonald Trump.
So she's on the outs.
And oh wait, what rumors?
I don't know the rumors.
There was uh uh AOC put outlike a something, I don't know,
(03:57):
it was on Instagram or TikTok, Idon't know, whatever.
This was like last week, twoweeks ago, who you know, who
even knows?
Who knows that Marjorie TaylorGreen wanted to run for Senate
in Georgia and Trump told herno?
Right.
And so she's pissed.
And you know, she's um anattention seeker.
(04:17):
Why would Trump tell her no?
Carmen Lezeth (04:18):
Like, why does he think he has the right to tell
people who they're not?
Because that's how they allare.
Andrea (04:23):
They have to go ask daddy for permission.
Carmen Lezeth (04:25):
And if he says no, it's no.
Okay, every time I hear someonecall him daddy, it just the
cringe level of it.
But that's how they act.
It's gross.
It's all the all the bros toothat always do that.
They call him.
I can't even okay.
I didn't even know about that.
I I was under the impressionmore that she kind of you know
(04:46):
took the the kind of wind andnoticed that the Trump fucking
bark or whatever the hell it is,right?
She's is falling over, it'stipsing or whatever.
Andrea (04:57):
A manipulative narcissist attention seeker,
right?
And so maybe she is, you know,got her finger in the wind.
Maybe she is kind of a truebeliever on the Epstein stuff,
but also she's on the outs withTrump already.
And so she and she loves to getunder people's skin.
(05:18):
We know this about her.
That's that's her whole vibe islike, let me niggle my way and
under your skin and piss youoff.
So that's what she's doing.
She's getting the attention shewants, she's being
manipulative, and she's gettingunder Trump's skin.
Carmen Lezeth (05:34):
And okay, but what would it take?
Okay, so let's let's forgetabout her.
I I agree with you.
I'm not gonna, you know, I'mnot gonna fucking sit here and
you know defend her.
But I'm curious, because thisled me to a different part of
this is what does it take toaccept people who have been
supporting Trump all this timeback into Earth one?
(05:54):
Uh I love that.
Earth, because we're Earth oneand you've all been living in
Earth Two somewhere.
So what would it take for you?
Andrea (06:03):
Uh well, you know, you don't it's not happening, but if
it was gonna maybe happen, Iwould say probably years of
action showing that you haveactually turned a moral corner,
that you have come over to theside of like, you know, moral
(06:24):
clarity.
So I don't want to hear yourwords, I don't want to hear your
humble apology, I don't want tohear anything about that.
I want to see that you actuallyno longer support and vote for
policies that actively harmpeople.
I want to see those actionsover and over and over and over
(06:47):
again, and then over and overand over again, and then maybe,
maybe for me, I will considerpossibly not thinking that you
are an immoral piece of shit.
That's where I'm at.
unknown (07:01):
Yeah.
Carmen Lezeth (07:03):
I, you know, I'm not gonna disagree.
I think it's really a I thinkit's a difficult situation.
I don't, I I don't, I'm reallyangry that Trump and the cronies
who know better, because let'sbe very clear here.
And and and I know you're notvery forgiving of people who I
think were just sucked into acult.
And I get it, right?
(07:23):
Because what he was able to do,what Trump was able to do so
easily was get himself withpeople like Steve Bannon and
Charlie Kirk and all thesepeople.
And what's the other guy?
What's the what the that guy,Steve, Steve, whatever, the guy
who's the immigration Jewish guywho is what's his name?
Steven douchebag.
(07:46):
Right.
He was able to get with otherpeople and manipulate your
racism, your homophobia, your,you know, ableism, your all of
the isms that you all hatebecause it's woke, because it's
woke.
And I know people don't like tobe told that they're racist or
homophobic or whatever.
(08:06):
And I can understand that'svery painful.
But that's part of the problemis you're not even aware of it
most of the time because it's soinstitutionalized.
And that's what he was able totap into, and you went with it.
And that's why, and and I'mwe're gonna be all over the
place with topics saying, butthat's also why this whole thing
about, you know, we we touchedon it a little bit last week
(08:29):
about white men and what's thatguy, Scott Galloway, and his
kind of like, whoa, whoa is me,right?
Because that's that's what'shappening now.
Like white men are all in theirfeelings kind of sorta because
they're feeling like, oh, I'mnot a man, and I need to feel
like a man, and I can't find awoman, and so my life is, and it
taps into all of thatbullshittery, all of it.
(08:51):
And that's what Trump was ableto do.
And I am shook it by the peoplewho keep trying to support him.
I was watching a couple of, andI can only do like three
minutes max.
I was watching guys podcast.
I was watching like there'sthree different, uh, pretty
well-known podcasts, and I waslike, I can't even sit through
(09:12):
this.
Like, even as they're trying tosay they're turning a corner
because they don't believe,blah, blah, blah, they're still
there.
I don't know.
Andrea (09:22):
Yeah, we are living in separate realities.
We really are.
I did a little bit of readingafter last week and our
discussion, I did a little bitof reading and um about you know
the male loneliness crisis, Iguess.
Uh and is that what it'scalled?
It is.
It is.
And one of the things that Iread, it was written by a woman,
(09:46):
and it was like, you know, wekind of what you just said,
right?
These people are havingfeelings, right?
And they're uncomfortable withthose feelings, and so shaming
them or making fun of them inthe way that I did last week is
obviously not helpful.
Um you think, okay, good.
This is Andrea's version ofapologizing.
I'm not apologizing at all.
(10:07):
I'm actually going there atall.
And so I heard that, and I'mand I'm because I was, I was
like, all right, I'm obviously abitch, and uh, you know, that
sucks, and maybe I could learnsomething here.
And and what I took away fromthat reading was that, like, you
know, we talked about equity,right?
(10:28):
And so let's say we're all in arace, right, to get through
life, and you've got everybodyelse in kind of, you know, there
are some people who are on thestarting line, and then other
people who are maybe furtherback, and other people who are a
little bit forward.
The men, the white men are likeon the 25-yard line, you know,
they're so far ahead ofeverybody else.
(10:49):
And the the whining and the andthe sadness and the loss of
control is because they're likea half a yard back from where
they were, right?
They're like, it's just thetiniest little bit of change.
They still run everything, theystill look across all of the
(11:10):
political leadership across allparties.
Carmen Lezeth (11:12):
Okay, all right, but I'm gonna I'm gonna be
devil's advocate, and it's justto get the conversation flowing,
right?
In in a way.
So when I was growing up, Iremember people, adults, adults
would be telling me, stop usingyour race as an issue, stop
saying that because you'reblack, this, or or or they would
(11:33):
say things like, so what?
You don't have parents, you canstill be somebody like you
don't even come on, whatever itwas.
Like people were always tryingto deny the fact that I was
hurting or behind the whatever,I don't know anything about
football, so I can't use that asan analogy, but like that I
(11:54):
wasn't even in the playground toeven be in the game.
You know what I mean?
Whatever it is, okay?
So I remember how much it hurtbecause no one would acknowledge
whatever it was that I wasgoing through.
Okay.
So even though I agree with youwith white men that they are
still, even though they're, youknow, a couple of yards back
(12:16):
than where they were before, Istill feel like it is taking
everything in my being to saythis.
I still feel that there issomething happening that is
uncomfortable for white men.
And I get that, and I hear it.
(12:37):
And also, white women, like inthis country, there is something
happening where other peopleare getting equality and that's
hurting you.
I don't know how else to sayit.
It's a change.
I it's a change, and change isuncomfortable for people.
And then there's the fear,okay, and then I'm gonna let you
(12:58):
go, and then I'm gonna let yousay whatever you want.
Then there's the fear part,right?
There's the fear that, and thisis true about a lot of white
folk.
I'm not saying the white peoplewatching this video are
listening, so please, I don'tneed the nasty emails because
whatever.
Um, that feel like, well, ifblack and Latino and Asian
people get any power, they'regonna take over and I don't
(13:19):
know, do what to white people.
Treat them.
I've heard this before, treatthem the way we've treated you.
I said that's you on thispodcast.
I'm just trying not to let itbe you.
But I mean, this is what I'msaying is like that, you know,
it's such a weird, evil kind ofthinking that that's what people
(13:39):
want.
And I don't, I'm just tellingyou, in the circle of people
that I hang out with or talk toor listen to or read or
whatever, I have never onceheard a person of color be like,
yeah, I can't wait to hurtwhite people.
Like that's never been a partof a conversation.
Yeah.
Um, okay, so a couple ofthings.
Andrea (14:07):
I'm gonna go back to what you said about like change
being hard and uncomfortable.
Yes, it is.
And it is how you choose tomeet discomfort that shows your
character.
unknown (14:22):
Yeah.
Andrea (14:25):
I know, I know, I know what they're doing.
They're discomfort with hate,with misogyny, and you know,
like that.
Carmen Lezeth (14:33):
Could we be wait, wait, wait, but could we be
more positive and be like it'sprobably because they didn't see
it coming?
No, okay, so I look it.
Like, I'm just saying, look at,I am the last person on the
planet who is going to be thiskind about white men or
whatever, but I'm just saying, Ithink part of the problem is
(14:54):
they feel, they feel whiplashed,right?
They're not they're not at thetop anymore.
Yeah, they are.
Look at there's this whole, Iknow, I know, look at there's
this whole trend happening onTikTok right now called the
quarter zip.
And I I know you're not onTikTok, but people who are on
TikTok will know what it is.
Basically, it's it's um youngblack men wearing quarter zip uh
(15:17):
like pullovers.
And it um do you remember likethe dandy era, the kind of the
fashion era where um black menwere dressed in kind of like the
hats and the, you know what Imean?
So it's kind of parallel tothat era, and what's happening
is all these young, beautiful,wonderful black men are wearing
these quarter zips and they'relike coming out and they're
(15:39):
dressed to the nine.
They just look beautiful.
And what's so weird iseverybody's embracing it and so
happy, and then there are these,there are white people who are
like, you're stealing uh youknow, fashion from white people,
you're and I'm like, what ishappening right now?
(15:59):
There are people demeaning itbecause to see young black men
in kind of this beautiful, Idon't know how to explain it,
but they're just in afashion-esque moment, and
they're just having joy andhappiness is really triggering
to white people for some reason.
(16:21):
And I am shook by it, and Ithink it's because white people
can't seem not all white people,please, really, not all.
We just talking about those,are having a problem actually
identifying the stereotype youhave in your head about black
men and black boys and blackyoung people with what the
(16:41):
reality is.
And that's what I think isactually happening.
You know what I mean?
I think that's the discrepancyis people have an idea of what
they think black people aresupposed to be like, and then
they are seeing them everywhere,whether it's black women, black
men, Asian, Latino, whatever,you're starting to see them as
human beings who are equal andsmart and wonderful and talented
(17:03):
and contributing, and andthat's not how you used to view
people of color before.
Andrea (17:09):
I got nothing, man.
If that's your process, youknow, go go find your fucking
island and live with your bros.
I don't, you know what I mean?
Like, I got I I I thought aboutthis because you said you said
last week something like, Well,are you not having empathy for
them?
And I'm not I guess like I'msorry, like if that's the way,
(17:34):
if that's your thinking, that'sa you problem.
Carmen Lezeth (17:38):
It is a them problem, but I can have
compassion to see that it is adifficult thing to walk through.
No, all right, we're gonna moveon to the next subject.
I know, I know.
I'm trying to, I just feel likeif people are trying to find
their way through, I'll give youmy answer on what it's going to
(17:58):
take for me to believe.
I have so many people I knowwho were Trump supporters and
now they're not Trump supportersfor whatever reason.
I'm disappointed what the redline is for you.
I'm not gonna lie.
It's gonna, it's I don't knowif it's ever gonna be okay for
me to think that um him comingdown that stairwell or whatever
(18:19):
it was, and the first of all,I'm from the East Coast, so I
knew from back in the day thathe was not to be trusted, but he
comes down that stairwelland/or whatever it was,
escalator, whatever it is, andtalks about mexicanos.
And I will never forget thatbecause I couldn't even believe
that at that moment, and thatright there and then there was a
(18:42):
political figure in this UnitedStates saying something so vile
about a group of people, andthat what that I don't know how
that wasn't the red line, or somany things before that.
You know what I mean?
So for me, it's really hard.
And as much as I'm glad that somany people are seeing the
(19:02):
light, I I've lost somethingabout who you are as a person,
and I I don't I don't know howto fix that.
That is over time, you know.
But think about think aboutsomeone you met and you really
liked and you thought they wereamazing and great, and then you
found out that they, you know,hit a child or something, you
(19:26):
know what I mean?
Or or they whatever, they havea conviction of something or
whatever.
It's not that you hate them orwhatever, but it's gonna be hard
to get back to that place ofhow I thought you were.
I think that's fair.
I don't know, maybe it's not,but that's how I feel about it.
Andrea (19:43):
Yeah, I mean, I think I I guess I don't have anyone like
that.
You know what I mean?
I I don't have someone.
I'm just saying in general.
I'm just saying in general.
I mean yeah, I will never trustanyone who supported Trump.
I mean, that's just I I willnever, and and that's kind of
where I'm at.
(20:04):
I can't see a reality or worldin which I'm like, okay, yeah,
you're good now.
I just don't see it.
Carmen Lezeth (20:11):
I think the way in which you can help though is
I I I do think it's importantnot to talk so much.
I do like we don't need to hearyour confession, you know what
I mean?
Like behave as if you'vealways, you know what I mean?
Like just and just start votingfor Democrats, like just start
fixing the problem.
Andrea (20:28):
Well, and that yeah, that for sure.
And I think, you know, one ofthe things I thought when um I
watched that that clip that wason CNN with Marjorie Taylor
Green was like, okay, I thinkthis is total bullshit, but if
one morally bankrupt white womansees her and thinks, like, you
(20:49):
know, and it and it provideslike a questioning for her to be
like, well, maybe I should lookat my support for Trump, I
suppose that's a good thing.
Carmen Lezeth (20:59):
I mean, oh no, a lot of people because she did
look at I'm gonna give her, Iknow I am gonna give her some
credit because she came out,because even that Bobart person,
whatever her name is, you know.
I mean, she was put in the sitroom and asked to change her
vote on the Epstein files.
I mean, so look at I I I canhave more than one thought.
I'm trying to teach people thatyou can have more than one
(21:21):
thought and feeling at the sametime.
Like, bravo, bravo to doingwhat you gotta do.
Like, I'm gonna give you thatcredit.
I think because MTG did comeout vocally on television, it's
started to change a lot of Trumpsupporters' ideas.
Yes.
I mean, uh here's my that'sgood.
Andrea (21:41):
I agree.
Um, yeah, we'll give it that.
Um, and yes, you know, you cansay, like, okay, that particular
action was impactful and andultimately positive.
However, like you said, are youthen gonna come out and support
policies that do not harmpeople?
Are you gonna go essentiallyagainst the things you've been
(22:02):
supporting?
And I would I would ask thatquestion of her and Bobart,
Brobart, whatever her name is,and anyone else who sort of, you
know, decided, okay, I'm notgonna support Trump now.
Like, is it just the Epsteinfiles, or are you now beginning
to see the light on otherissues?
Carmen Lezeth (22:20):
And that's well, I'm gonna give, I'm gonna give
Mayor, what's her name?
MTG, whatever, a little bit ofcredit because she also came out
about health care.
She was upset about thehealthcare thing and she started
talking, but I think that hasmore to do with the Ascended
thing, but I don't care.
She came out and she was, youknow, saying, no, we have to
come up with a plan if we're notgonna keep um the Affordable
(22:41):
Care Act.
I don't think she ever calledit Obamacare, but I think she
was gonna put her words.
But um, but yeah, I mean itgoes back to the Alyssa Alyssa
Milano.
I I was really looking, I Ifeel bad because I don't even
know, I couldn't name what showthat woman was on, but I know
she's a big deal.
But I confuse her all the timewith Jessica Alba.
I confuse the two of them allthe time.
I know, I don't know why.
(23:02):
But uh I was really impressedby what she wrote, but she talks
about that at the end of it.
Like if you're going to fullycome to you know to the table,
we need to know all the lies.
We need to see you talk aboutblah, blah, blah, blah, blah.
And so it's kind of uh fullcircle there.
So it's uh it's a really goodpiece on her substack.
But yeah.
Um, I wanted to show a video tojust change.
(23:24):
Oh, unless you had anythingelse you wanted to add.
I wanted to um you're good.
You're you're done with M MTG.
Um, I'm gonna show a videofirst.
Uh I'm gonna, and I and Joya,you and I have not talked about
this, but it just happened thismorning.
So uh let me just say that theinitial video that I cannot show
(23:48):
because I feel YouTube willtake it down, was basically
Congress people.
It was Alyssa Slotkin, who's asenator from Michigan, Mark
Kelly, senator from Arizona,Jason Crow from Colorado,
representative Chrissy Holandfrom Pennsylvania, Matt Maggie
Goodlander from New Hampshire,also representative, and Chris
(24:10):
Deluzio from Pennsylvania.
These are all people inCongress who have military
backgrounds, and they came outand they basically did a video
that's been airing all over theplace saying to military people
do not obey illegal orders.
So I don't know if you knewabout that.
Um so and then this morning,Donald Trump responded, I guess.
(24:35):
So let's watch this.
Tizzyent (24:38):
This is happening in real time.
So let me give you somecontext.
Uh several Democratic veteransin Congress urged service
members to refuse unspecifiedunlawful orders.
They simply said, Hey, youswore an oath, and if you were
given an unlawful order, youshould refuse it.
To which Donald Trump, ofcourse, got very upset because
he's the one issuing theunlawful orders.
Uh, this is really bad anddangerous to our country.
(25:00):
Their words cannot be allowedto stand.
Seditious behavior fromtraitors lock them up.
President JD.
He then went on to truth.
It's called seditious behaviorat the highest level.
Each one of these traitors toour country should be arrested
and put on trial.
Their words cannot be allowedto stand.
We won't have a countryanymore.
An example must be set.
Okay, this doesn't seem likeunusual behavior for him, right?
(25:22):
Except he then retruthed thepost calling for them to be
hung.
The sitting president of theUnited States reposted someone
saying that other electedofficials in the United States
should be hung.
This is the darkest timeline.
Andrea (25:59):
Immense frustration, I guess.
Um I don't want to say fear,but anxiety.
You know?
Like we're we're just so so fardown the hole.
Yeah.
Carmen Lezeth (26:18):
I think um I actually was shocked when I saw
the initial video by theCongress people that they felt
the need as military personnelor military whatever is the
right terminology, right?
Because they used to be in themilitary and now they're serving
our country in a different way,that they felt the need to say
(26:39):
it to begin with.
Like, that's where we like Iwas like, wait, what's happening
here?
And yet I've been saying itabout ICE all along and our
police officers here in LosAngeles.
Like, why are any of youletting this happen?
You know, like why?
And so I am not surprised thatDonald Trump continues to behave
(27:02):
so badly as a president becausehe's been doing it since day
one.
But there were no guardrails atall.
I mean, none whatsoever.
And he's calling for basicallythe assassination, unaliving.
Yeah, the unaliving, because wecan't say certain words, of uh
other how do you not think thisis like Hitler?
(27:25):
I don't understand.
You don't understand that thisis well Hitler had a lot of
support.
Hitler had a lot of support.
Yeah, he did.
Yeah, and he also had a lot ofpeople who did nothing.
Andrea (27:37):
Exactly.
And so it is like Hitler inthat you have some support, you
have some people doing nothing,and you have some people who are
standing up.
I mean, that's that's where weare.
Carmen Lezeth (27:50):
I think it's getting better that more people
are seeing the light, but Idon't know.
And then of course, we havewhere Trump the other day, was
it yesterday or two days ago,calling a reporter piggy?
Andrea (28:01):
Did you like it's one of those things that's like that
was personally triggertriggering for me?
Like, there's all kinds ofthings that trigger, but it was
like, what the fuck?
How does everybody not stopwhat they're doing in that
moment and be like, you can't dothat?
Carmen Lezeth (28:18):
Well, it's also so normalized.
So for people who don't know,he was on the plane, he was
being asked a question by areporter, and of course, it had
to do with the Epstein files orwhatever, I think.
And uh it was a woman askingthe question.
And because I don't know howit's so exhausting.
Like, I don't know how peopledon't remember this country
(28:40):
without it being this exhaustingevery day.
It's so disgusting that everytime I hear something about
Trump, it's negative.
It's never something positivebecause he doesn't do anything
positive.
He had the fucking Saudi Arabiaguy thinking about that, in the
Oval Office who killed what'shis name?
Andrea (29:01):
Kushkogi.
I forget how to say it.
I can't remember his firstname, but Kushogi, I think, is
his last name.
unknown (29:06):
And admitted it.
Like I mean, he picked up.
Andrea (29:10):
That was almost to the day that he was murdered.
It was like on the anniversaryor something, or very, very
close to it.
Carmen Lezeth (29:16):
Like just so vile.
I just want to talk aboutBarack Obama's tan suit for a
moment.
Um I can remember the fuckinghoopla over Barack Obama wearing
a tan suit.
I mean, they were calling forhim to be like he was disgracing
the White House.
(29:36):
It was a disgrace.
Like it's not, I'm not evenmaking a joke.
This was a huge big deal.
Because he wore a tan suit.
And then I remember they had tojuxtapose uh a photo of Reagan
wearing a tan suit with BarackObama.
Like, you know what I mean?
Like with another picture ofBarack Obama wearing a tan suit
so that people would calm thefuck down.
(29:57):
But here we are.
Andrea (30:01):
Here we are.
Like, I don't know, man.
Like, what we're I don't havethe words.
Like, there are like it'sdepraved.
You know what I mean?
It's disgusting.
Like, we're and like you said,we're living like there are
multiple things per day that arejust like how are we all living
like this?
Carmen Lezeth (30:21):
I don't know, but I wish this nightmare would end
already, too.
I do.
I I I don't I I mean, I'venever had any hope for him to be
anything other than what he'salways been, because again,
growing up on the east coast, Idon't know how people didn't see
this all over the place, but ifyou don't know who the central
five are at this point, I don'tknow what else to say.
Yeah, I don't know what else tosay.
Andrea (30:41):
I mean, I remember him from the 80s and just being
like, hail to the no.
Like he's so obviously agrifter.
And I wasn't even on the eastcoast.
He was just like, oh, art ofthe deal, big, you know, it's
like he was just so obviouslyslimy.
Carmen Lezeth (30:55):
Yeah.
I remember him from the CentralPark fire thing.
I just that I remember.
I but I I hear you.
It's not like he's ever been,but you know, people got sucked
in again.
I'm not making excuses, butthey got sucked in by that
reality show thing of a jiggy.
Uh and still, like, okay,whatever.
Um, but all right, let's changethe subject to something
joyful.
You want to talk about Hallmarkmovies?
Andrea (31:18):
I actually wait, how did we even realize that like
you're a big Hallmark movie bug?
We've been talking about itafter the show yesterday about
like, well, you know, howessentially, like, how are you
coping?
And I'm like, I'm watching likeChristmas movies 24-7.
Carmen Lezeth (31:34):
I know, and I was like, Me too! So I was also
saying that like I kind of hatewatching them because they get
so annoyed because some of themare so bad.
But then I was like, there arepeople on there that I just
love.
So I'm just gonna put up thepicture I showed you because you
know I got mad love for thisboy.
Damn, that's my favorite one.
Andrea (31:53):
Okay, you see one with him in it yet.
Carmen Lezeth (31:56):
I know this is Warren Christie for those who
don't know.
Oh my god, I love him.
Okay, you so he has one of themost classic.
I okay, I probably shouldn'tkeep his picture up there for
the rest of the show.
He's so beautiful.
Um, but um, he has one of themost classic movies with Henry
Winkler.
(32:16):
I sent you the link, I forgetthe name of it, I'll put it down
at the bottom, but um, it'ssuch a good one.
And I know I was I was lookingthrough all the things to find
out when he was coming up, butthey just did like a weekend of
him or something.
So you kind of on Hallmark?
On Hallmark.
So how are you watchingHallmark?
That's okay.
So uh I have it throughYouTube.
(32:38):
I don't have a separateHallmark.
Andrea (32:39):
Yeah, I mean I have it's like I have like everything.
So I'm I'm watching a lot ofstuff on Netflix, and some of
it's Hallmark and some of it'snot.
Oh, okay.
Um, and then there's a few onPrime, which I have, like I have
all this stuff, and then wealso have like regular cable, so
I'm watching like the actualHallmark.
Carmen Lezeth (33:02):
Okay, it's so funny.
I was gonna send you a giftcard to get the Hallmark channel
just because I wanted you towatch like three, because I
think he has three of the best.
Um I sent you.
I sent you the list, but Ithink he has like three of the
best of them on there thatthey're actually good movies and
good acting and good storylinesor whatever, right?
But here's the thing if you buyHallmark, the actual cable
(33:27):
channel, Hallmark Plus, theydon't have all these movies on
it.
It's kind of a supplement tohaving it on your regular
channel.
So you just have and and Ilooked because I was like,
Warren Christie.
And uh he doesn't have any ofthem coming up, so I'm like, I'm
not gonna send them back now.
Yeah, yeah.
Andrea (33:46):
I mean, that's a whole other rant where it's like,
okay, I'm paying for everythingand then I gotta pay more to
watch what I'm saying.
Yeah, yeah.
So um, yes, there's a lot ofhate watching.
Carmen Lezeth (33:56):
Um, but so there's like no no wait, why are
you hate watching?
No, no, I'm hate watchingbecause as an actor, I feel like
I could be on 95 of those 95%of those as a consumer, I guess.
Andrea (34:12):
Like the acting is just so like it's just so bad.
It's so insultingly bad, youknow.
And you just kind like Iwatched one last night that was
uh uh I don't I don't know ofany of the actors, but there's
some some of them were people Ihad seen before and whatever,
some other things.
Yeah.
Um, and it was like a familywho went on like a cruise
(34:35):
together.
Oh yeah, I saw that.
And the greatest yeah, he'ssick, and there's like the gay
couple that determines like ahah, like the acting was so
stilted, you know what I mean?
But that's one of the betterones because at least there's a
(34:56):
storyline.
And like the mom isn't dead,the mom is always dead, always,
always dead.
I have my like markers, right?
So there's like the formula,and I'm like, okay, dead mom,
okay.
We did that, okay.
Like, is there a bakery?
Is there a bakery?
(35:16):
Started off maybe a farm.
Uh is there an inn of somekind?
Uh you know, all of the andthen the moment where they see
each other as like real people,you know, the almost kiss.
Carmen Lezeth (35:30):
Uh right.
Wait, there's always the firstalmost kiss that is interrupted
by someone or something, youknow, always you can count on
it.
Um so I've gotten really badtoo because um there's a lot of,
so just acting wise, there's alot of indicating, which drives
me insane.
(35:50):
So, what indicating is is likeum, let's say there's a sad
scene and I do this.
Weird.
But you know what I mean?
Like indicating, it's like I'mgoing to show you with my face
how I feel.
It's like I fucking it drivesme insane.
(36:12):
I'm only gonna be looking forthat in everything I watch.
I'm telling you, you're goingto see it every time you watch
Hallmark.
It just, it's one of thosethings where I just want to go
on set and be like, okay,everyone here is an actor.
No indicating.
Let me show you what that lookslike because once you know
you'll stop doing it.
(36:33):
But let me tell you, and we'retalking about actors who've been
on there for years who aredoing this.
So um, that's one thing.
And then the other thing, andthis is just a shout out to all
the actors out there who are onthese shows.
If you're not gonna reallykiss, like you're not gonna use
tongue and stuff, don't do itbecause we can tell.
What is this?
So tight.
(36:56):
You're not really kissing.
If you don't want to reallykiss him, we could we're
waiting.
That's the moment we're waitingfor.
That's why we're there.
Right.
We've already, we're always soexcited, and we already got
interrupted by whatever thefucking muffins are done or
something.
You know what I mean?
Like, oh, and then you go andit's the ending shot, and you
(37:19):
didn't actually kiss, and I'mlike, fuck it, you know.
But yeah, oh my god.
I love that you hate watchingtoo.
Andrea (37:25):
So you also think, but some of the writing's also like
the one last night was like thewriting was terrible.
It had a story, but like thedialogue was like, oh my god,
yeah.
Carmen Lezeth (37:36):
Yeah, yeah.
Okay, so why do you I mean, Iknow why I watch it.
There is something very it'slike comfort food to me.
Like you know, it's likemacaroni and cheese.
Andrea (37:47):
It's cozy.
There's usually baked goodsinvolved.
Um, you know, people aredressed nice and warm.
I mean, there's just yeah, it'sjust like yeah, I can't wait
till they come on.
I get, you know, I really oh mygod, you're so funny.
Carmen Lezeth (38:07):
I think, I mean, I I I I can wait for them to
come on.
I kind of um I have myfavorites.
I like um the my my otherfavorite is Kevin McGarry.
I don't know you know who thatis.
They look similar, dark hair,tall, good looking.
He's on uh When Calls theHeart, too.
He's the lead actor in WhenCalls the Heart.
Um, but I I really like himtoo.
(38:28):
I think he's a a good actor,but he's also good looking.
Um as far as the women areconcerned, uh, I just it's so
funny because you brought up oneof them, and I'm like, she's
the baby doll of Hallmark.
Andrea (38:40):
Like, Hallmark line at the Hallmark stores now.
Yeah, some bear, some malay.
Carmen Lezeth (38:49):
I don't know.
Okay, we're bad.
I don't look it.
I don't care about the womenbecause I care about the men,
you know what I mean.
I will say this I do love thatthere are gay people.
Okay, wait, let me let me backup, let me back up, let me back
out.
So, one of my favorite thingsabout Hallmark is like when they
were making this change wherethey were gonna have more people
of color, they were going tohave more different types of
(39:10):
relationships, you know, likegay men or whatever.
People were going crazy onsocial media.
I wanted to stay the same.
I'm going to leave too.
I'm going to dip bit dip di.
And I was like, baby, do younot know that 75% of those men
are gay on that show?
Like, all you have to do isGoogle them.
Right, right.
They are actually gay.
(39:31):
And I remember writing that,like, this was back in the
Twitter days when Twitter wasn'twhat the fuck it is now.
And they like people were so itdoesn't matter.
They're not, that's not true.
I'm like, well, if it doesn'tmatter, uh, why do you care
then?
If you want to Christmas, comeon now.
I'm like, it just cracks me up.
(39:51):
So yeah, that's the other part.
So uh there's like threeleading men on there who, you
know, I Googled out because Iwant to see how old they are,
you know what I mean?
Everything to see if there's apossibility and stuff.
And I'm like, oh my god, you'regay.
Andrea (40:02):
You're mad.
Carmen Lezeth (40:06):
Oh, it's so bad.
Yeah, it's so bad, but yeah, itis fun.
But I do like that they havenow uh they've lost a lot of
viewers, have they?
They've lost a lot of okay.
So what so you're you're new tothe hallmark, yeah, yeah.
Very proud of you.
I I don't think anyone wouldexpect this.
Andrea (40:25):
It was really like last year, maybe a year before, where
I was like, okay, because therewas like the traditional
Christmas stuff that you watch,right?
Like, yeah, you know, thatstarts in June.
But yes.
And then I was and I was alwayssort of like, oh, these movies
are so stupid.
And then there was that one.
Um, it kind of started it allfor me.
I'm embarrassed to say, but um,don't be embarrassed.
(40:47):
It was on Netflix, and it wasthe Lindsay Lohan one, it was
kind of like her comebackvehicle.
Um, I can't remember what it'scalled now.
I didn't see it, so it's okay.
I don't know.
I don't have Netflix.
Um and it was like funny andgoofy and kind of stupid.
Yeah.
And so I was like, all right.
And we all like me and girlswatched it and you know, loved
it.
It was super funny.
Um, and it has all these sortof callbacks to like mean girls
(41:09):
and you know, stuff like that.
Well, yeah, that's so cute.
Yeah, yeah.
Um so then you start to, youknow, that was my what do they
call it?
My initiation.
Right, your initiation into thedrug, the hallway.
Now I'm like into it all.
And then last year I was like,all right, I'm just watching
them all.
I'm just gonna watch them all.
Right.
Everything.
I watched like, you know,Christmas at the Biltmore and
(41:32):
you know, Christmas inheritance,and like okay.
Carmen Lezeth (41:35):
The fact that you know the names of them, all I
know is every single one hasChristmas in it.
That's it, that's all I know.
Like mostly.
Um, so about I think it waslike two or three years ago,
probably when you first startedwatching this or whatever, a lot
of the stars from Hallmarkmoved over to the Great American
Channel or something, the GreatFamily Channel.
(41:55):
I don't know what the hell thename of it is, but there's
another channel that startedcompeting because Hallmark
wanted to diversify.
And one of the CEOs ortrustees, or whoever, I don't
know, but a white man, ofcourse, moved and started
another family channel.
And so he took a lot of theHallmark stars with him, and it
was a big deal.
(42:16):
And it doesn't mean that, like,and so like and well, because
they didn't want diversity, theydidn't want, and the way they
said it was the way some of thestars said it was um, we want to
keep traditional families inthe TV show.
It's like, okay, well, yourversion of traditional families
is very different from mine, youknow, because mine is not
(42:37):
white, and mine, you know what Imean?
Like, and there are there aregay people in my family, and you
know, so it's just it's just sothat so that was like a big
riff, and it was like, what wasgoing to happen?
Um, and so Hallmark hasdiversified, but it's also lost
a lot of its audience towhatever that other channel's
called.
I don't know the name of it.
Um, but it's something likethat, you know, great American
(43:00):
family or something stupid, youknow.
Um, but you can also seebecause you it's like lifetime,
there's so many of them, right?
That are just churning outthese um shows, these movies,
because they're so easy, they'reso low budget.
Andrea (43:15):
They're obviously pretty cheaply made, I would think.
Carmen Lezeth (43:19):
Yeah, so that's why they just churn them out.
And it's kind of like watchingthe golden, although the golden
girls was well acted, wellwritten, and brilliant.
But what I mean by that, it'scomfort.
It's just you can have it on inthe background, and no one is
going to well, yeah, like noone's gonna die.
There's not gonna be blood,there's not gonna be, you know,
anything major.
(43:40):
And now they have minor dramathat you know is gonna be worked
out.
Yeah, but I I I mean, I dolaugh at how um I don't know,
how sane it all is, and yet howI still am like, oh, time for me
to watch my shells coming outor whatever, you know.
Andrea (43:59):
No, like I'm over here waiting for like like because
Netflix like drips them out,right?
So you get like a big trancheof them in November.
And then there was like, okay,this one's coming like November
10th or whatever, and then therewas another drop like the 15th,
and I'm like, give it all to menow.
Carmen Lezeth (44:17):
No, you know what?
I have to there, I'm I'm I'mgonna give you my password or
whatever, and you can I canpretend I'm at your house
because you could do it, becauseI have YouTube and I have the
the best one saved.
Uh, the Henry Winkler one.
I know anybody who watchesHallmark is gonna know what I'm
talking about.
It's really just it's justreally well done.
Although I still think thestar, the the woman in that one
(44:39):
is so thin.
Andrea (44:40):
Like I every time I watch, I'm like, I wish she'd be
like, well, that's another, Imean, I do that with everything,
but I'm always like, why is hermakeup so bad?
And like, okay, and thenthey'll be like, there's there's
one exactly.
I'm not gonna say what it isbecause I don't want to be
whatever, but like, so there'sthree, there's two sequels.
There's the main one, and thenthere's two sequels, right?
The first one, her makeup isatrocious.
(45:02):
The second one, they fixed hermakeup, but her hair is like
unwatchable, and then the thirdone, they like yassified her,
and she just like looks like acompletely different person.
And I'm like, what are we doinghere?
Wait, what are we talkingabout?
We'll do it off air.
I'll tell you later.
Yeah, okay, okay.
That's so funny.
Uh sometimes I just watchbecause like there's really good
(45:23):
clothes, or it's shot inChicago at Christmas, and I love
that, or you know, whatever.
Carmen Lezeth (45:27):
So yeah, no, look at I I think there's a place
for all types of uh movies andwhatever.
I just thought it was thecutest thing.
Like, I was like, wait, what?
I couldn't believe it because Ididn't, I just would never
assume you would admit it, youknow.
But um, see, I don't thinkhighly of you.
What's that about?
No, I'm just kidding.
I adore you.
Um, yeah, Hallmark is great.
(45:50):
I think it's gotten better.
I think it'll get, I mean, Ithink it's doing fine now, but
there was a big bump in it, anda lot of people left because
they wanted traditionalfamilies.
If you're calling traditionalfamilies anything where people
are divorced and have how manywives does that man have?
Which one?
It doesn't matter.
I'm talking about Trump.
Like your definition oftraditional values cracks me up.
(46:13):
You know what I mean?
Like it's just you gottarethink that, you know.
Uh, but that's a whole otherconversation.
But wow, thank you so much.
I think we're ending on joy,which I think we have to do more
often.
Yay, we're gonna try to dopolitics, politics, politics,
but then always end in somethingfun.
I think that's gonna be our newstrategy.
So all right, everyone.
Well, thank you so much.
(46:34):
Remember, at the end of theday, it really is all about the
joy, and yeah, we'll see youagain next week.
Bye, everyone.
Thanks for stopping by, allabout the joy.
Be better and stay beautiful,folks.
Have a sweet day.
Hey everyone.
Welcome to All About the Joy.
This is Culture and Consequencewith Carmen and Andrea.
Hey Andrea, how you doing?
I'm good.
I'm cold.
Right?
People don't understand that itis freezing in Los Angeles.
It is.
It's 61 or something.
It's what?
I know, but it's like like it'slike 61, and people think we're
(00:22):
ridiculous because 61 would bebeautiful weather on the East
Coast or something.
I'm like, no, you don'tunderstand.
Andrea (00:27):
That's if it's under 70, it's butt-ass cold.
Carmen Lezeth (00:30):
That's it's really but butt-ass cold.
I love that.
Um okay, so um I sent you ourlittle agenda of what we would
talk about.
And I didn't know if you had achance to read.
Um, we're gonna talk about thewhat's her name?
Marjorie Taylor Green, MTGcoming to the realization that
(00:54):
Trump is um, I don't know.
But I sent you a link and Ithink everyone should read it.
Um, I could actually read itright now so that we could have
it on air.
I don't know.
Do you think I should do that?
I think you can just sendpeople to it.
I mean, it's send people to it.
So I generally I don'tgenerally like give too much
(01:15):
substance to celebrities when itcomes to politics because I
think they have a right tobelieve whatever they want or
whatever, and they'recelebrities and they use their
you know pulpit or whatever youcall it.
What's it called?
Their platform, pulpit,whatever, and whatever way they
choose to.
And sometimes it pisses me off.
George Clooney, I'm talking toyou.
(01:36):
And then sometimes someone likeAlyssa Milano, who I don't even
follow, she wrote this amazingSubstack on this situation.
Um, and I'll link it in the uhnotes for you to look at, but it
was really well done, and itwas basically calling out
Marjorie Taylor Green's newfoundum is it hatred of Donald
(01:56):
Trump?
Or I don't know what the rightword is.
Andrea (02:01):
Yeah, I don't I don't, you know, I don't know what to
say about it.
It's uh I don't know what theright word is.
Carmen Lezeth (02:08):
She has come to an understanding that Trumpism
is bad and that Trump is badbecause of the Epstein file
debacle.
Um she was calling for theEpstein files to be released,
and she decided that now was hertime.
That was the red line for her.
And now she's like, oh my God,they're coming after me.
I'm getting death threats, andand Alyssa Milano and a lot of
(02:32):
other people, but Alyssa Milanoput it in a really well-written
thing, and it just, you know,why didn't you care when all
this was happening to everyoneelse?
Where were you during January6th?
Where were you during all ofthe different times when this
was obvious to everyone else?
And now you're clutching yourfake pearls at the injustice and
(02:53):
the, you know, so she wasbasically saying if you're going
to, you know, now come tofruition, you need to actually
do it in a much more truthfulway, tell all the lies, tell
everything.
Like she wants more from herbefore she accepts her back in a
way.
I don't know.
Andrea (03:12):
Yeah, I mean, you know how I don't know how you feel
how I feel about this.
I mean, it's like you know,it's I don't know, I'm at a loss
for words.
Like, she's so insincere, youknow, and it's performative,
it's it's performative for sure.
Um, and I think that uh truly,I think it maybe has less to do
(03:36):
with Epstein and more like she'smad at Donald Trump for
whatever reason, you know, andthere are rumors floating around
about why she might be mad atDonald Trump.
So she's on the outs.
And oh wait, what rumors?
I don't know the rumors.
There was uh uh AOC put outlike a something, I don't know,
(03:57):
it was on Instagram or TikTok, Idon't know, whatever.
This was like last week, twoweeks ago, who you know, who
even knows?
Who knows that Marjorie TaylorGreen wanted to run for Senate
in Georgia and Trump told herno?
Right.
And so she's pissed.
And you know, she's um anattention seeker.
(04:17):
Why would Trump tell her no?
Carmen Lezeth (04:18):
Like, why does he think he has the right to tell
people who they're not?
Because that's how they allare.
Andrea (04:23):
They have to go ask daddy for permission.
Carmen Lezeth (04:25):
And if he says no, it's no.
Okay, every time I hear someonecall him daddy, it just the
cringe level of it.
But that's how they act.
It's gross.
It's all the all the bros toothat always do that.
They call him.
I can't even okay.
I didn't even know about that.
I I was under the impressionmore that she kind of you know
(04:46):
took the the kind of wind andnoticed that the Trump fucking
bark or whatever the hell it is,right?
She's is falling over, it'stipsing or whatever.
Andrea (04:57):
A manipulative narcissist attention seeker,
right?
And so maybe she is, you know,got her finger in the wind.
Maybe she is kind of a truebeliever on the Epstein stuff,
but also she's on the outs withTrump already.
And so she and she loves to getunder people's skin.
(05:18):
We know this about her.
That's that's her whole vibe islike, let me niggle my way and
under your skin and piss youoff.
So that's what she's doing.
She's getting the attention shewants, she's being
manipulative, and she's gettingunder Trump's skin.
Carmen Lezeth (05:34):
And okay, but what would it take?
Okay, so let's let's forgetabout her.
I I agree with you.
I'm not gonna, you know, I'mnot gonna fucking sit here and
you know defend her.
But I'm curious, because thisled me to a different part of
this is what does it take toaccept people who have been
supporting Trump all this timeback into Earth one?
(05:54):
Uh I love that.
Earth, because we're Earth oneand you've all been living in
Earth Two somewhere.
So what would it take for you?
Andrea (06:03):
Uh well, you know, you don't it's not happening, but if
it was gonna maybe happen, Iwould say probably years of
action showing that you haveactually turned a moral corner,
that you have come over to theside of like, you know, moral
(06:24):
clarity.
So I don't want to hear yourwords, I don't want to hear your
humble apology, I don't want tohear anything about that.
I want to see that you actuallyno longer support and vote for
policies that actively harmpeople.
I want to see those actionsover and over and over and over
(06:47):
again, and then over and overand over again, and then maybe,
maybe for me, I will considerpossibly not thinking that you
are an immoral piece of shit.
That's where I'm at.
unknown (07:01):
Yeah.
Carmen Lezeth (07:03):
I, you know, I'm not gonna disagree.
I think it's really a I thinkit's a difficult situation.
I don't, I I don't, I'm reallyangry that Trump and the cronies
who know better, because let'sbe very clear here.
And and and I know you're notvery forgiving of people who I
think were just sucked into acult.
And I get it, right?
(07:23):
Because what he was able to do,what Trump was able to do so
easily was get himself withpeople like Steve Bannon and
Charlie Kirk and all thesepeople.
And what's the other guy?
What's the what the that guy,Steve, Steve, whatever, the guy
who's the immigration Jewish guywho is what's his name?
Steven douchebag.
(07:46):
Right.
He was able to get with otherpeople and manipulate your
racism, your homophobia, your,you know, ableism, your all of
the isms that you all hatebecause it's woke, because it's
woke.
And I know people don't like tobe told that they're racist or
homophobic or whatever.
(08:06):
And I can understand that'svery painful.
But that's part of the problemis you're not even aware of it
most of the time because it's soinstitutionalized.
And that's what he was able totap into, and you went with it.
And that's why, and and I'mwe're gonna be all over the
place with topics saying, butthat's also why this whole thing
about, you know, we we touchedon it a little bit last week
(08:29):
about white men and what's thatguy, Scott Galloway, and his
kind of like, whoa, whoa is me,right?
Because that's that's what'shappening now.
Like white men are all in theirfeelings kind of sorta because
they're feeling like, oh, I'mnot a man, and I need to feel
like a man, and I can't find awoman, and so my life is, and it
taps into all of thatbullshittery, all of it.
(08:51):
And that's what Trump was ableto do.
And I am shook it by the peoplewho keep trying to support him.
I was watching a couple of, andI can only do like three
minutes max.
I was watching guys podcast.
I was watching like there'sthree different, uh, pretty
well-known podcasts, and I waslike, I can't even sit through
(09:12):
this.
Like, even as they're trying tosay they're turning a corner
because they don't believe,blah, blah, blah, they're still
there.
I don't know.
Andrea (09:22):
Yeah, we are living in separate realities.
We really are.
I did a little bit of readingafter last week and our
discussion, I did a little bitof reading and um about you know
the male loneliness crisis, Iguess.
Uh and is that what it'scalled?
It is.
It is.
And one of the things that Iread, it was written by a woman,
(09:46):
and it was like, you know, wekind of what you just said,
right?
These people are havingfeelings, right?
And they're uncomfortable withthose feelings, and so shaming
them or making fun of them inthe way that I did last week is
obviously not helpful.
Um you think, okay, good.
This is Andrea's version ofapologizing.
I'm not apologizing at all.
(10:07):
I'm actually going there atall.
And so I heard that, and I'mand I'm because I was, I was
like, all right, I'm obviously abitch, and uh, you know, that
sucks, and maybe I could learnsomething here.
And and what I took away fromthat reading was that, like, you
know, we talked about equity,right?
(10:28):
And so let's say we're all in arace, right, to get through
life, and you've got everybodyelse in kind of, you know, there
are some people who are on thestarting line, and then other
people who are maybe furtherback, and other people who are a
little bit forward.
The men, the white men are likeon the 25-yard line, you know,
they're so far ahead ofeverybody else.
(10:49):
And the the whining and the andthe sadness and the loss of
control is because they're likea half a yard back from where
they were, right?
They're like, it's just thetiniest little bit of change.
They still run everything, theystill look across all of the
(11:10):
political leadership across allparties.
Carmen Lezeth (11:12):
Okay, all right, but I'm gonna I'm gonna be
devil's advocate, and it's justto get the conversation flowing,
right?
In in a way.
So when I was growing up, Iremember people, adults, adults
would be telling me, stop usingyour race as an issue, stop
saying that because you'reblack, this, or or or they would
(11:33):
say things like, so what?
You don't have parents, you canstill be somebody like you
don't even come on, whatever itwas.
Like people were always tryingto deny the fact that I was
hurting or behind the whatever,I don't know anything about
football, so I can't use that asan analogy, but like that I
(11:54):
wasn't even in the playground toeven be in the game.
You know what I mean?
Whatever it is, okay?
So I remember how much it hurtbecause no one would acknowledge
whatever it was that I wasgoing through.
Okay.
So even though I agree with youwith white men that they are
still, even though they're, youknow, a couple of yards back
(12:16):
than where they were before, Istill feel like it is taking
everything in my being to saythis.
I still feel that there issomething happening that is
uncomfortable for white men.
And I get that, and I hear it.
(12:37):
And also, white women, like inthis country, there is something
happening where other peopleare getting equality and that's
hurting you.
I don't know how else to sayit.
It's a change.
I it's a change, and change isuncomfortable for people.
And then there's the fear,okay, and then I'm gonna let you
(12:58):
go, and then I'm gonna let yousay whatever you want.
Then there's the fear part,right?
There's the fear that, and thisis true about a lot of white
folk.
I'm not saying the white peoplewatching this video are
listening, so please, I don'tneed the nasty emails because
whatever.
Um, that feel like, well, ifblack and Latino and Asian
people get any power, they'regonna take over and I don't
(13:19):
know, do what to white people.
Treat them.
I've heard this before, treatthem the way we've treated you.
I said that's you on thispodcast.
I'm just trying not to let itbe you.
But I mean, this is what I'msaying is like that, you know,
it's such a weird, evil kind ofthinking that that's what people
(13:39):
want.
And I don't, I'm just tellingyou, in the circle of people
that I hang out with or talk toor listen to or read or
whatever, I have never onceheard a person of color be like,
yeah, I can't wait to hurtwhite people.
Like that's never been a partof a conversation.
Yeah.
Um, okay, so a couple ofthings.
Andrea (14:07):
I'm gonna go back to what you said about like change
being hard and uncomfortable.
Yes, it is.
And it is how you choose tomeet discomfort that shows your
character.
unknown (14:22):
Yeah.
Andrea (14:25):
I know, I know, I know what they're doing.
They're discomfort with hate,with misogyny, and you know,
like that.
Carmen Lezeth (14:33):
Could we be wait, wait, wait, but could we be
more positive and be like it'sprobably because they didn't see
it coming?
No, okay, so I look it.
Like, I'm just saying, look at,I am the last person on the
planet who is going to be thiskind about white men or
whatever, but I'm just saying, Ithink part of the problem is
(14:54):
they feel, they feel whiplashed,right?
They're not they're not at thetop anymore.
Yeah, they are.
Look at there's this whole, Iknow, I know, look at there's
this whole trend happening onTikTok right now called the
quarter zip.
And I I know you're not onTikTok, but people who are on
TikTok will know what it is.
Basically, it's it's um youngblack men wearing quarter zip uh
(15:17):
like pullovers.
And it um do you remember likethe dandy era, the kind of the
fashion era where um black menwere dressed in kind of like the
hats and the, you know what Imean?
So it's kind of parallel tothat era, and what's happening
is all these young, beautiful,wonderful black men are wearing
these quarter zips and they'relike coming out and they're
(15:39):
dressed to the nine.
They just look beautiful.
And what's so weird iseverybody's embracing it and so
happy, and then there are these,there are white people who are
like, you're stealing uh youknow, fashion from white people,
you're and I'm like, what ishappening right now?
(15:59):
There are people demeaning itbecause to see young black men
in kind of this beautiful, Idon't know how to explain it,
but they're just in afashion-esque moment, and
they're just having joy andhappiness is really triggering
to white people for some reason.
(16:21):
And I am shook by it, and Ithink it's because white people
can't seem not all white people,please, really, not all.
We just talking about those,are having a problem actually
identifying the stereotype youhave in your head about black
men and black boys and blackyoung people with what the
(16:41):
reality is.
And that's what I think isactually happening.
You know what I mean?
I think that's the discrepancyis people have an idea of what
they think black people aresupposed to be like, and then
they are seeing them everywhere,whether it's black women, black
men, Asian, Latino, whatever,you're starting to see them as
human beings who are equal andsmart and wonderful and talented
(17:03):
and contributing, and andthat's not how you used to view
people of color before.
Andrea (17:09):
I got nothing, man.
If that's your process, youknow, go go find your fucking
island and live with your bros.
I don't, you know what I mean?
Like, I got I I I thought aboutthis because you said you said
last week something like, Well,are you not having empathy for
them?
And I'm not I guess like I'msorry, like if that's the way,
(17:34):
if that's your thinking, that'sa you problem.
Carmen Lezeth (17:38):
It is a them problem, but I can have
compassion to see that it is adifficult thing to walk through.
No, all right, we're gonna moveon to the next subject.
I know, I know.
I'm trying to, I just feel likeif people are trying to find
their way through, I'll give youmy answer on what it's going to
(17:58):
take for me to believe.
I have so many people I knowwho were Trump supporters and
now they're not Trump supportersfor whatever reason.
I'm disappointed what the redline is for you.
I'm not gonna lie.
It's gonna, it's I don't knowif it's ever gonna be okay for
me to think that um him comingdown that stairwell or whatever
(18:19):
it was, and the first of all,I'm from the East Coast, so I
knew from back in the day thathe was not to be trusted, but he
comes down that stairwelland/or whatever it was,
escalator, whatever it is, andtalks about mexicanos.
And I will never forget thatbecause I couldn't even believe
that at that moment, and thatright there and then there was a
(18:42):
political figure in this UnitedStates saying something so vile
about a group of people, andthat what that I don't know how
that wasn't the red line, or somany things before that.
You know what I mean?
So for me, it's really hard.
And as much as I'm glad that somany people are seeing the
(19:02):
light, I I've lost somethingabout who you are as a person,
and I I don't I don't know howto fix that.
That is over time, you know.
But think about think aboutsomeone you met and you really
liked and you thought they wereamazing and great, and then you
found out that they, you know,hit a child or something, you
(19:26):
know what I mean?
Or or they whatever, they havea conviction of something or
whatever.
It's not that you hate them orwhatever, but it's gonna be hard
to get back to that place ofhow I thought you were.
I think that's fair.
I don't know, maybe it's not,but that's how I feel about it.
Andrea (19:43):
Yeah, I mean, I think I I guess I don't have anyone like
that.
You know what I mean?
I I don't have someone.
I'm just saying in general.
I'm just saying in general.
I mean yeah, I will never trustanyone who supported Trump.
I mean, that's just I I willnever, and and that's kind of
where I'm at.
(20:04):
I can't see a reality or worldin which I'm like, okay, yeah,
you're good now.
I just don't see it.
Carmen Lezeth (20:11):
I think the way in which you can help though is
I I I do think it's importantnot to talk so much.
I do like we don't need to hearyour confession, you know what
I mean?
Like behave as if you'vealways, you know what I mean?
Like just and just start votingfor Democrats, like just start
fixing the problem.
Andrea (20:28):
Well, and that yeah, that for sure.
And I think, you know, one ofthe things I thought when um I
watched that that clip that wason CNN with Marjorie Taylor
Green was like, okay, I thinkthis is total bullshit, but if
one morally bankrupt white womansees her and thinks, like, you
(20:49):
know, and it and it provideslike a questioning for her to be
like, well, maybe I should lookat my support for Trump, I
suppose that's a good thing.
Carmen Lezeth (20:59):
I mean, oh no, a lot of people because she did
look at I'm gonna give her, Iknow I am gonna give her some
credit because she came out,because even that Bobart person,
whatever her name is, you know.
I mean, she was put in the sitroom and asked to change her
vote on the Epstein files.
I mean, so look at I I I canhave more than one thought.
I'm trying to teach people thatyou can have more than one
(21:21):
thought and feeling at the sametime.
Like, bravo, bravo to doingwhat you gotta do.
Like, I'm gonna give you thatcredit.
I think because MTG did comeout vocally on television, it's
started to change a lot of Trumpsupporters' ideas.
Yes.
I mean, uh here's my that'sgood.
Andrea (21:41):
I agree.
Um, yeah, we'll give it that.
Um, and yes, you know, you cansay, like, okay, that particular
action was impactful and andultimately positive.
However, like you said, are youthen gonna come out and support
policies that do not harmpeople?
Are you gonna go essentiallyagainst the things you've been
(22:02):
supporting?
And I would I would ask thatquestion of her and Bobart,
Brobart, whatever her name is,and anyone else who sort of, you
know, decided, okay, I'm notgonna support Trump now.
Like, is it just the Epsteinfiles, or are you now beginning
to see the light on otherissues?
Carmen Lezeth (22:20):
And that's well, I'm gonna give, I'm gonna give
Mayor, what's her name?
MTG, whatever, a little bit ofcredit because she also came out
about health care.
She was upset about thehealthcare thing and she started
talking, but I think that hasmore to do with the Ascended
thing, but I don't care.
She came out and she was, youknow, saying, no, we have to
come up with a plan if we're notgonna keep um the Affordable
(22:41):
Care Act.
I don't think she ever calledit Obamacare, but I think she
was gonna put her words.
But um, but yeah, I mean itgoes back to the Alyssa Alyssa
Milano.
I I was really looking, I Ifeel bad because I don't even
know, I couldn't name what showthat woman was on, but I know
she's a big deal.
But I confuse her all the timewith Jessica Alba.
I confuse the two of them allthe time.
I know, I don't know why.
(23:02):
But uh I was really impressedby what she wrote, but she talks
about that at the end of it.
Like if you're going to fullycome to you know to the table,
we need to know all the lies.
We need to see you talk aboutblah, blah, blah, blah, blah.
And so it's kind of uh fullcircle there.
So it's uh it's a really goodpiece on her substack.
But yeah.
Um, I wanted to show a video tojust change.
(23:24):
Oh, unless you had anythingelse you wanted to add.
I wanted to um you're good.
You're you're done with M MTG.
Um, I'm gonna show a videofirst.
Uh I'm gonna, and I and Joya,you and I have not talked about
this, but it just happened thismorning.
So uh let me just say that theinitial video that I cannot show
(23:48):
because I feel YouTube willtake it down, was basically
Congress people.
It was Alyssa Slotkin, who's asenator from Michigan, Mark
Kelly, senator from Arizona,Jason Crow from Colorado,
representative Chrissy Holandfrom Pennsylvania, Matt Maggie
Goodlander from New Hampshire,also representative, and Chris
(24:10):
Deluzio from Pennsylvania.
These are all people inCongress who have military
backgrounds, and they came outand they basically did a video
that's been airing all over theplace saying to military people
do not obey illegal orders.
So I don't know if you knewabout that.
Um so and then this morning,Donald Trump responded, I guess.
(24:35):
So let's watch this.
Tizzyent (24:38):
This is happening in real time.
So let me give you somecontext.
Uh several Democratic veteransin Congress urged service
members to refuse unspecifiedunlawful orders.
They simply said, Hey, youswore an oath, and if you were
given an unlawful order, youshould refuse it.
To which Donald Trump, ofcourse, got very upset because
he's the one issuing theunlawful orders.
Uh, this is really bad anddangerous to our country.
(25:00):
Their words cannot be allowedto stand.
Seditious behavior fromtraitors lock them up.
President JD.
He then went on to truth.
It's called seditious behaviorat the highest level.
Each one of these traitors toour country should be arrested
and put on trial.
Their words cannot be allowedto stand.
We won't have a countryanymore.
An example must be set.
Okay, this doesn't seem likeunusual behavior for him, right?
(25:22):
Except he then retruthed thepost calling for them to be
hung.
The sitting president of theUnited States reposted someone
saying that other electedofficials in the United States
should be hung.
This is the darkest timeline.
Andrea (25:59):
Immense frustration, I guess.
Um I don't want to say fear,but anxiety.
You know?
Like we're we're just so so fardown the hole.
Yeah.
Carmen Lezeth (26:18):
I think um I actually was shocked when I saw
the initial video by theCongress people that they felt
the need as military personnelor military whatever is the
right terminology, right?
Because they used to be in themilitary and now they're serving
our country in a different way,that they felt the need to say
(26:39):
it to begin with.
Like, that's where we like Iwas like, wait, what's happening
here?
And yet I've been saying itabout ICE all along and our
police officers here in LosAngeles.
Like, why are any of youletting this happen?
You know, like why?
And so I am not surprised thatDonald Trump continues to behave
(27:02):
so badly as a president becausehe's been doing it since day
one.
But there were no guardrails atall.
I mean, none whatsoever.
And he's calling for basicallythe assassination, unaliving.
Yeah, the unaliving, because wecan't say certain words, of uh
other how do you not think thisis like Hitler?
(27:25):
I don't understand.
You don't understand that thisis well Hitler had a lot of
support.
Hitler had a lot of support.
Yeah, he did.
Yeah, and he also had a lot ofpeople who did nothing.
Andrea (27:37):
Exactly.
And so it is like Hitler inthat you have some support, you
have some people doing nothing,and you have some people who are
standing up.
I mean, that's that's where weare.
Carmen Lezeth (27:50):
I think it's getting better that more people
are seeing the light, but Idon't know.
And then of course, we havewhere Trump the other day, was
it yesterday or two days ago,calling a reporter piggy?
Andrea (28:01):
Did you like it's one of those things that's like that
was personally triggertriggering for me?
Like, there's all kinds ofthings that trigger, but it was
like, what the fuck?
How does everybody not stopwhat they're doing in that
moment and be like, you can't dothat?
Carmen Lezeth (28:18):
Well, it's also so normalized.
So for people who don't know,he was on the plane, he was
being asked a question by areporter, and of course, it had
to do with the Epstein files orwhatever, I think.
And uh it was a woman askingthe question.
And because I don't know howit's so exhausting.
Like, I don't know how peopledon't remember this country
(28:40):
without it being this exhaustingevery day.
It's so disgusting that everytime I hear something about
Trump, it's negative.
It's never something positivebecause he doesn't do anything
positive.
He had the fucking Saudi Arabiaguy thinking about that, in the
Oval Office who killed what'shis name?
Andrea (29:01):
Kushkogi.
I forget how to say it.
I can't remember his firstname, but Kushogi, I think, is
his last name.
unknown (29:06):
And admitted it.
Like I mean, he picked up.
Andrea (29:10):
That was almost to the day that he was murdered.
It was like on the anniversaryor something, or very, very
close to it.
Carmen Lezeth (29:16):
Like just so vile.
I just want to talk aboutBarack Obama's tan suit for a
moment.
Um I can remember the fuckinghoopla over Barack Obama wearing
a tan suit.
I mean, they were calling forhim to be like he was disgracing
the White House.
(29:36):
It was a disgrace.
Like it's not, I'm not evenmaking a joke.
This was a huge big deal.
Because he wore a tan suit.
And then I remember they had tojuxtapose uh a photo of Reagan
wearing a tan suit with BarackObama.
Like, you know what I mean?
Like with another picture ofBarack Obama wearing a tan suit
so that people would calm thefuck down.
(29:57):
But here we are.
Andrea (30:01):
Here we are.
Like, I don't know, man.
Like, what we're I don't havethe words.
Like, there are like it'sdepraved.
You know what I mean?
It's disgusting.
Like, we're and like you said,we're living like there are
multiple things per day that arejust like how are we all living
like this?
Carmen Lezeth (30:21):
I don't know, but I wish this nightmare would end
already, too.
I do.
I I I don't I I mean, I'venever had any hope for him to be
anything other than what he'salways been, because again,
growing up on the east coast, Idon't know how people didn't see
this all over the place, but ifyou don't know who the central
five are at this point, I don'tknow what else to say.
Yeah, I don't know what else tosay.
Andrea (30:41):
I mean, I remember him from the 80s and just being
like, hail to the no.
Like he's so obviously agrifter.
And I wasn't even on the eastcoast.
He was just like, oh, art ofthe deal, big, you know, it's
like he was just so obviouslyslimy.
Carmen Lezeth (30:55):
Yeah.
I remember him from the CentralPark fire thing.
I just that I remember.
I but I I hear you.
It's not like he's ever been,but you know, people got sucked
in again.
I'm not making excuses, butthey got sucked in by that
reality show thing of a jiggy.
Uh and still, like, okay,whatever.
Um, but all right, let's changethe subject to something
joyful.
You want to talk about Hallmarkmovies?
Andrea (31:18):
I actually wait, how did we even realize that like
you're a big Hallmark movie bug?
We've been talking about itafter the show yesterday about
like, well, you know, howessentially, like, how are you
coping?
And I'm like, I'm watching likeChristmas movies 24-7.
Carmen Lezeth (31:34):
I know, and I was like, Me too! So I was also
saying that like I kind of hatewatching them because they get
so annoyed because some of themare so bad.
But then I was like, there arepeople on there that I just
love.
So I'm just gonna put up thepicture I showed you because you
know I got mad love for thisboy.
Damn, that's my favorite one.
Andrea (31:53):
Okay, you see one with him in it yet.
Carmen Lezeth (31:56):
I know this is Warren Christie for those who
don't know.
Oh my god, I love him.
Okay, you so he has one of themost classic.
I okay, I probably shouldn'tkeep his picture up there for
the rest of the show.
He's so beautiful.
Um, but um, he has one of themost classic movies with Henry
Winkler.
(32:16):
I sent you the link, I forgetthe name of it, I'll put it down
at the bottom, but um, it'ssuch a good one.
And I know I was I was lookingthrough all the things to find
out when he was coming up, butthey just did like a weekend of
him or something.
So you kind of on Hallmark?
On Hallmark.
So how are you watchingHallmark?
That's okay.
So uh I have it throughYouTube.
(32:38):
I don't have a separateHallmark.
Andrea (32:39):
Yeah, I mean I have it's like I have like everything.
So I'm I'm watching a lot ofstuff on Netflix, and some of
it's Hallmark and some of it'snot.
Oh, okay.
Um, and then there's a few onPrime, which I have, like I have
all this stuff, and then wealso have like regular cable, so
I'm watching like the actualHallmark.
Carmen Lezeth (33:02):
Okay, it's so funny.
I was gonna send you a giftcard to get the Hallmark channel
just because I wanted you towatch like three, because I
think he has three of the best.
Um I sent you.
I sent you the list, but Ithink he has like three of the
best of them on there thatthey're actually good movies and
good acting and good storylinesor whatever, right?
But here's the thing if you buyHallmark, the actual cable
(33:27):
channel, Hallmark Plus, theydon't have all these movies on
it.
It's kind of a supplement tohaving it on your regular
channel.
So you just have and and Ilooked because I was like,
Warren Christie.
And uh he doesn't have any ofthem coming up, so I'm like, I'm
not gonna send them back now.
Yeah, yeah.
Andrea (33:46):
I mean, that's a whole other rant where it's like,
okay, I'm paying for everythingand then I gotta pay more to
watch what I'm saying.
Yeah, yeah.
So um, yes, there's a lot ofhate watching.
Carmen Lezeth (33:56):
Um, but so there's like no no wait, why are
you hate watching?
No, no, I'm hate watchingbecause as an actor, I feel like
I could be on 95 of those 95%of those as a consumer, I guess.
Andrea (34:12):
Like the acting is just so like it's just so bad.
It's so insultingly bad, youknow.
And you just kind like Iwatched one last night that was
uh uh I don't I don't know ofany of the actors, but there's
some some of them were people Ihad seen before and whatever,
some other things.
Yeah.
Um, and it was like a familywho went on like a cruise
(34:35):
together.
Oh yeah, I saw that.
And the greatest yeah, he'ssick, and there's like the gay
couple that determines like ahah, like the acting was so
stilted, you know what I mean?
But that's one of the betterones because at least there's a
(34:56):
storyline.
And like the mom isn't dead,the mom is always dead, always,
always dead.
I have my like markers, right?
So there's like the formula,and I'm like, okay, dead mom,
okay.
We did that, okay.
Like, is there a bakery?
Is there a bakery?
(35:16):
Started off maybe a farm.
Uh is there an inn of somekind?
Uh you know, all of the andthen the moment where they see
each other as like real people,you know, the almost kiss.
Carmen Lezeth (35:30):
Uh right.
Wait, there's always the firstalmost kiss that is interrupted
by someone or something, youknow, always you can count on
it.
Um so I've gotten really badtoo because um there's a lot of,
so just acting wise, there's alot of indicating, which drives
me insane.
(35:50):
So, what indicating is is likeum, let's say there's a sad
scene and I do this.
Weird.
But you know what I mean?
Like indicating, it's like I'mgoing to show you with my face
how I feel.
It's like I fucking it drivesme insane.
(36:12):
I'm only gonna be looking forthat in everything I watch.
I'm telling you, you're goingto see it every time you watch
Hallmark.
It just, it's one of thosethings where I just want to go
on set and be like, okay,everyone here is an actor.
No indicating.
Let me show you what that lookslike because once you know
you'll stop doing it.
(36:33):
But let me tell you, and we'retalking about actors who've been
on there for years who aredoing this.
So um, that's one thing.
And then the other thing, andthis is just a shout out to all
the actors out there who are onthese shows.
If you're not gonna reallykiss, like you're not gonna use
tongue and stuff, don't do itbecause we can tell.
What is this?
So tight.
(36:56):
You're not really kissing.
If you don't want to reallykiss him, we could we're
waiting.
That's the moment we're waitingfor.
That's why we're there.
Right.
We've already, we're always soexcited, and we already got
interrupted by whatever thefucking muffins are done or
something.
You know what I mean?
Like, oh, and then you go andit's the ending shot, and you
(37:19):
didn't actually kiss, and I'mlike, fuck it, you know.
But yeah, oh my god.
I love that you hate watchingtoo.
Andrea (37:25):
So you also think, but some of the writing's also like
the one last night was like thewriting was terrible.
It had a story, but like thedialogue was like, oh my god,
yeah.
Carmen Lezeth (37:36):
Yeah, yeah.
Okay, so why do you I mean, Iknow why I watch it.
There is something very it'slike comfort food to me.
Like you know, it's likemacaroni and cheese.
Andrea (37:47):
It's cozy.
There's usually baked goodsinvolved.
Um, you know, people aredressed nice and warm.
I mean, there's just yeah, it'sjust like yeah, I can't wait
till they come on.
I get, you know, I really oh mygod, you're so funny.
Carmen Lezeth (38:07):
I think, I mean, I I I I can wait for them to
come on.
I kind of um I have myfavorites.
I like um the my my otherfavorite is Kevin McGarry.
I don't know you know who thatis.
They look similar, dark hair,tall, good looking.
He's on uh When Calls theHeart, too.
He's the lead actor in WhenCalls the Heart.
Um, but I I really like himtoo.
(38:28):
I think he's a a good actor,but he's also good looking.
Um as far as the women areconcerned, uh, I just it's so
funny because you brought up oneof them, and I'm like, she's
the baby doll of Hallmark.
Andrea (38:40):
Like, Hallmark line at the Hallmark stores now.
Yeah, some bear, some malay.
Carmen Lezeth (38:49):
I don't know.
Okay, we're bad.
I don't look it.
I don't care about the womenbecause I care about the men,
you know what I mean.
I will say this I do love thatthere are gay people.
Okay, wait, let me let me backup, let me back up, let me back
out.
So, one of my favorite thingsabout Hallmark is like when they
were making this change wherethey were gonna have more people
of color, they were going tohave more different types of
(39:10):
relationships, you know, likegay men or whatever.
People were going crazy onsocial media.
I wanted to stay the same.
I'm going to leave too.
I'm going to dip bit dip di.
And I was like, baby, do younot know that 75% of those men
are gay on that show?
Like, all you have to do isGoogle them.
Right, right.
They are actually gay.
(39:31):
And I remember writing that,like, this was back in the
Twitter days when Twitter wasn'twhat the fuck it is now.
And they like people were so itdoesn't matter.
They're not, that's not true.
I'm like, well, if it doesn'tmatter, uh, why do you care
then?
If you want to Christmas, comeon now.
I'm like, it just cracks me up.
(39:51):
So yeah, that's the other part.
So uh there's like threeleading men on there who, you
know, I Googled out because Iwant to see how old they are,
you know what I mean?
Everything to see if there's apossibility and stuff.
And I'm like, oh my god, you'regay.
Andrea (40:02):
You're mad.
Carmen Lezeth (40:06):
Oh, it's so bad.
Yeah, it's so bad, but yeah, itis fun.
But I do like that they havenow uh they've lost a lot of
viewers, have they?
They've lost a lot of okay.
So what so you're you're new tothe hallmark, yeah, yeah.
Very proud of you.
I I don't think anyone wouldexpect this.
Andrea (40:25):
It was really like last year, maybe a year before, where
I was like, okay, because therewas like the traditional
Christmas stuff that you watch,right?
Like, yeah, you know, thatstarts in June.
But yes.
And then I was and I was alwayssort of like, oh, these movies
are so stupid.
And then there was that one.
Um, it kind of started it allfor me.
I'm embarrassed to say, but um,don't be embarrassed.
(40:47):
It was on Netflix, and it wasthe Lindsay Lohan one, it was
kind of like her comebackvehicle.
Um, I can't remember what it'scalled now.
I didn't see it, so it's okay.
I don't know.
I don't have Netflix.
Um and it was like funny andgoofy and kind of stupid.
Yeah.
And so I was like, all right.
And we all like me and girlswatched it and you know, loved
it.
It was super funny.
Um, and it has all these sortof callbacks to like mean girls
(41:09):
and you know, stuff like that.
Well, yeah, that's so cute.
Yeah, yeah.
Um so then you start to, youknow, that was my what do they
call it?
My initiation.
Right, your initiation into thedrug, the hallway.
Now I'm like into it all.
And then last year I was like,all right, I'm just watching
them all.
I'm just gonna watch them all.
Right.
Everything.
I watched like, you know,Christmas at the Biltmore and
(41:32):
you know, Christmas inheritance,and like okay.
Carmen Lezeth (41:35):
The fact that you know the names of them, all I
know is every single one hasChristmas in it.
That's it, that's all I know.
Like mostly.
Um, so about I think it waslike two or three years ago,
probably when you first startedwatching this or whatever, a lot
of the stars from Hallmarkmoved over to the Great American
Channel or something, the GreatFamily Channel.
(41:55):
I don't know what the hell thename of it is, but there's
another channel that startedcompeting because Hallmark
wanted to diversify.
And one of the CEOs ortrustees, or whoever, I don't
know, but a white man, ofcourse, moved and started
another family channel.
And so he took a lot of theHallmark stars with him, and it
was a big deal.
(42:16):
And it doesn't mean that, like,and so like and well, because
they didn't want diversity, theydidn't want, and the way they
said it was the way some of thestars said it was um, we want to
keep traditional families inthe TV show.
It's like, okay, well, yourversion of traditional families
is very different from mine, youknow, because mine is not
(42:37):
white, and mine, you know what Imean?
Like, and there are there aregay people in my family, and you
know, so it's just it's just sothat so that was like a big
riff, and it was like, what wasgoing to happen?
Um, and so Hallmark hasdiversified, but it's also lost
a lot of its audience towhatever that other channel's
called.
I don't know the name of it.
Um, but it's something likethat, you know, great American
(43:00):
family or something stupid, youknow.
Um, but you can also seebecause you it's like lifetime,
there's so many of them, right?
That are just churning outthese um shows, these movies,
because they're so easy, they'reso low budget.
Andrea (43:15):
They're obviously pretty cheaply made, I would think.
Carmen Lezeth (43:19):
Yeah, so that's why they just churn them out.
And it's kind of like watchingthe golden, although the golden
girls was well acted, wellwritten, and brilliant.
But what I mean by that, it'scomfort.
It's just you can have it on inthe background, and no one is
going to well, yeah, like noone's gonna die.
There's not gonna be blood,there's not gonna be, you know,
anything major.
(43:40):
And now they have minor dramathat you know is gonna be worked
out.
Yeah, but I I I mean, I dolaugh at how um I don't know,
how sane it all is, and yet howI still am like, oh, time for me
to watch my shells coming outor whatever, you know.
Andrea (43:59):
No, like I'm over here waiting for like like because
Netflix like drips them out,right?
So you get like a big trancheof them in November.
And then there was like, okay,this one's coming like November
10th or whatever, and then therewas another drop like the 15th,
and I'm like, give it all to menow.
Carmen Lezeth (44:17):
No, you know what?
I have to there, I'm I'm I'mgonna give you my password or
whatever, and you can I canpretend I'm at your house
because you could do it, becauseI have YouTube and I have the
the best one saved.
Uh, the Henry Winkler one.
I know anybody who watchesHallmark is gonna know what I'm
talking about.
It's really just it's justreally well done.
Although I still think thestar, the the woman in that one
(44:39):
is so thin.
Andrea (44:40):
Like I every time I watch, I'm like, I wish she'd be
like, well, that's another, Imean, I do that with everything,
but I'm always like, why is hermakeup so bad?
And like, okay, and thenthey'll be like, there's there's
one exactly.
I'm not gonna say what it isbecause I don't want to be
whatever, but like, so there'sthree, there's two sequels.
There's the main one, and thenthere's two sequels, right?
The first one, her makeup isatrocious.
(45:02):
The second one, they fixed hermakeup, but her hair is like
unwatchable, and then the thirdone, they like yassified her,
and she just like looks like acompletely different person.
And I'm like, what are we doinghere?
Wait, what are we talkingabout?
We'll do it off air.
I'll tell you later.
Yeah, okay, okay.
That's so funny.
Uh sometimes I just watchbecause like there's really good
(45:23):
clothes, or it's shot inChicago at Christmas, and I love
that, or you know, whatever.
Carmen Lezeth (45:27):
So yeah, no, look at I I think there's a place
for all types of uh movies andwhatever.
I just thought it was thecutest thing.
Like, I was like, wait, what?
I couldn't believe it because Ididn't, I just would never
assume you would admit it, youknow.
But um, see, I don't thinkhighly of you.
What's that about?
No, I'm just kidding.
I adore you.
Um, yeah, Hallmark is great.
(45:50):
I think it's gotten better.
I think it'll get, I mean, Ithink it's doing fine now, but
there was a big bump in it, anda lot of people left because
they wanted traditionalfamilies.
If you're calling traditionalfamilies anything where people
are divorced and have how manywives does that man have?
Which one?
It doesn't matter.
I'm talking about Trump.
Like your definition oftraditional values cracks me up.
(46:13):
You know what I mean?
Like it's just you gottarethink that, you know.
Uh, but that's a whole otherconversation.
But wow, thank you so much.
I think we're ending on joy,which I think we have to do more
often.
Yay, we're gonna try to dopolitics, politics, politics,
but then always end in somethingfun.
I think that's gonna be our newstrategy.
So all right, everyone.
Well, thank you so much.
(46:34):
Remember, at the end of theday, it really is all about the
joy, and yeah, we'll see youagain next week.
Bye, everyone.
Thanks for stopping by, allabout the joy.
Be better and stay beautiful,folks.
Have a sweet day.
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