October 9, 2025 • 44 mins
What if the real crisis isn’t left vs. right, but dignity vs. spectacle? We take a hard look at how performative nastiness - on camera and in hearings - rewards the loudest bad actors while starving institutions of trust. From Stephen Miller’s cultivated cruelty to a combative congressional appearance that dodged every question, we trace how contempt becomes a political brand, and why that brand reliably escalates toward harm when honest dialogue dies.
The conversation moves from national theater to street-level impact. We unpack the difference between firefighters’ rigorous, service-first training and the shorter pipeline that equips many police roles with power before maturity. Then we break down ICE’s internal split - investigative agents with higher requirements versus ERO officers hired with minimal credentials - and what that mismatch means for real people in tense encounters. One host shares early experiences that taught “don’t expect help,” followed by a recent, humane response to a stalking scare that shows what good policing can look like. The tension holds: people want effective law enforcement; we just don’t have enough of the right incentives to make it consistent.
We don’t stop at diagnosis. We outline actionable reforms: end qualified immunity, make misconduct financially local through pensions or insurance, require older and better-prepared recruits, lengthen training to center de-escalation and cultural literacy, and enforce peer-intervention norms that actually protect the public. Along the way, we question why power keeps delaying transparency on high-profile files and how procedural games feed cynicism. The throughline is simple: truth-telling must beat showmanship, or public safety and democracy both suffer.
If you’re ready for a politics that values candor over clout and a public safety model built on maturity, training, and accountability, this conversation is your map. Listen, share with a friend who’s tired of the noise, and leave a review with your top reform—what’s the first change you’d make?
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Carmen Lezeth (00:00):
Hey everyone.
Welcome to All About the Joy.
This is Culture and Consequencewith Carmen and Andrea.
Hey, what's up?
How you doing, Ans?
I'm good.
Okay, cool.
So, what do you want to talkabout?
I'm gonna leave it up to you.
I mean, we have a list, but wehave a list.
We have a list.
Um, what's bothering me today?
(00:20):
Okay, I'll tell you what'sbothering me today.
Yeah, go for it.
I am tired of the nastiness.
Like, I I I know you want totalk about like racism, but I
love to.
Andrea (00:35):
Love to love it.
Carmen Lezeth (00:36):
No, no, no, but here's the thing.
You know what?
Um, just watching, what's thiswoman's name?
It's both of them.
It's uh Stephen Miller, thedeputy.
I didn't realize he was justthe deputy um chief of staff.
I thought he was actually thechief of staff.
I believe he's actually thepresident.
True.
(00:57):
He's also the um, let me seewhat he is, because I had to, I
mean, he's an asshole, but he'salso the homeland security
advisor.
But um, for people who don'tknow, I mean, why would anyone
know this?
I live in Santa Monica,California.
I've been here 30 years.
I think he's in his 30s.
He grew up in thisneighborhood, okay.
(01:19):
That I and he was here part ofthe time when I was, he went to
school here.
I don't know him.
Thank you, Lord.
Jesus, thank you.
But but maybe if I had, I couldhave, I don't know, melted his
heart or something.
I have no idea.
I don't think so, girl.
But I am shooketh at why heturned out to be such an evil
(01:39):
human being.
I mean, he's angry and nastyand mean and so.
I'm sorry, what is that hisfamily hates him?
His family does.
Oh, I actually have a quotefrom his cousin, Alyssa Casmar,
publicly disowned him in 2025,calling him the face of evil due
(02:02):
to his role in shaping theTrump administration's
immigration policies.
And her quote is, I am livingwith the deep pain of watching
someone I once loved become theface of evil.
I will never knowingly let evilinto my life, no matter whose
blood it carries, including myown.
I mean, and she goes on and on,but his other family members
have really a lot of them havelike not said anything, like,
(02:25):
which I think is also telling.
You know what I mean?
Um, but I'm I I literally theother day walked around where he
went to school, walked aroundwhere I think he possibly lived.
Like all these areas.
I'm like, why?
Um I think he got his asskicked by some Latino kids.
I do.
I think he was bullied orsomething by some.
(02:46):
I'm not blaming it on Latinokids.
It's not what I mean.
I'm just your fault.
Latino kids.
You reap what you sow.
No, but he must have beenbullied or something because he
is weird.
Andrea (03:02):
Yeah, I mean, like, I I I really am hesitant to go in
the direction of like somepeople are just born evil.
Um, yeah, me too.
But I do think there may belike a slight predisposition,
and if you know, facts on theground, I guess, right after
you're born, um, feed into that.
(03:25):
You know, I don't know what hishis actual like, you know,
family situation was, what hisparents are like, or any of
those kinds of things.
But um it does kind of point tomaybe he was bullied in some
way.
Maybe he liked a girl whodecided to go out with a hot
Latin dude.
I don't know.
Carmen Lezeth (03:48):
It really because his family, he he has a Jewish
background, which is the otherpart of this, like the the
vitriol he has towards otherpeople after you know your own
history.
I mean, I know look it.
Andrea (04:01):
We're in the I'm just shooketh by I I also as I am
hesitant to think that peopleare like born evil, sort of.
Um I I do also think that a lotof the hate and the vitriol
comes from some this is so likepsychological, you know,
(04:24):
psychological trauma?
Well, no, like deepself-hatred.
Like there's something that youjust can't deal with when you
look in the mirror.
No offense.
I just mean like I don't evenmean like your attractiveness,
(04:47):
but like there's something deepwithin you that you desperately
don't like, and so you put itout into the world, you know
what I mean?
Um I feel like he needs a hug.
Oh, he no, he needs a hard,hard slap.
That's what he means.
Carmen Lezeth (05:06):
There is the difference between me and
Andreya.
If you want to know, I'mwilling to give him a slap.
I mean, I'm willing to give hima hug.
So you already have turned tome.
I'm like, yes, a slap.
No, we are not for violenceever.
I'm not.
I'm not.
I do not speak on behalf ofAndreel.
I like so so this came upbecause then Pam Bondi, who I'm
(05:30):
like, whoa, she's the UnitedStates Attorney General, and she
was in front of Congress thisweek.
And I don't care whether youagree with her or not, and
clearly I don't agree with herat all because I'm not a fan.
Her nastiness, like again, likethis vitriol, this inability to
have conversations, thisinability, even if you don't
(05:53):
want to answer questions, whichshe clearly she was not
answering any questionswhatsoever.
She was just like totally, youknow, whataboutism seems to be
her thing.
You know, somebody would askher, is the sky blue?
And she'd be like, I can'tbelieve you would ask me a
question after what you did at arodeo five years ago.
(06:13):
I mean, it was just randomshit.
It was random.
And I was like, all thisvitriol, all this angst.
I mean, this is what I think iseven more profound in our
politics today, right?
This inability to just haveconversations.
Andrea (06:29):
Well, and it's like, you know, not to use like a network
television word, but like it'sjust so performative.
You know what I mean?
They're they're doing it sothat Trump can see it and be
like, yeah, you're fighting, youknow, give them hell.
And, you know, like that's hisvibe.
Sorry.
Carmen Lezeth (06:49):
That's okay.
Dogs are allowed.
That's okay.
We just have to let people knowthat that's not like me putting
in a sound.
Andrea (06:56):
That is probably a leaf blowing by that my dog didn't
like.
Carmen Lezeth (07:02):
Yeah.
The victory all and the and thebarking, I could hear it.
Andrea (07:06):
He's like, yes, yeah, um Go ahead.
You were saying No, I was justsaying, like, there, you know,
it's primarily, I believe, towell, I think it serves a couple
of purposes.
Number one, first and foremost,Trump wants to see fighters and
he wants to see people who aretough and all of that because
he's not, and you know, they'reactually not, so they want to
(07:29):
sort of perform toughness.
Carmen Lezeth (07:31):
And they don't want to release the Epstein
files.
Okay, sorry.
Andrea (07:34):
Yes, that as well.
Um and then it also, I think,riles up a certain contingent of
their base who are predisposedto like want to be that way.
You know, like we sort of likeit's sort of a joke, like, you
know, Carmen's a hugger, I'm aslapper, you know.
But like I'm I'm notnecessarily like I think there
(07:59):
are people who respond to thatthat they are trying to get to
specifically, you know.
Carmen Lezeth (08:07):
Right.
Um, I totally get that, and Iagree with you.
I do think it's performative.
I guess I just feel sad becauselike that, it was so not
productive.
And yet what was great, whatwas great was to watch her for
me.
Like I watched her, and I waslike, this is exactly what
(08:30):
people need to see.
They need to see another personand that perfect blonde white
woman, you know what I mean?
Like exactly the package thatwe think is the perfect American
or whatever, the other sidethinks, or whatever, and see
that kind of vitriol and thatanger or whatever, and see how
performative that is theperfect.
(08:51):
Because I don't even thinkpeople, the same people, the
same conservatives andRepublicans were okay with all
that.
You know what I mean?
Like it just seemed to, Ithink, flop badly.
Um, because everybody saw whatshe was doing, everybody
understood what she was doing.
She was just, you know,performing for one person and
(09:12):
not answering any questionswhatsoever.
And um and throwing cash patelunder the bus, which was great
as far as I'm concerned.
Could care less about him too.
So that was unbelievable.
But yeah, I'm just tired of thenastiness.
So, anyways.
Andrea (09:27):
Yeah, I mean, that's I think that's uh as you pointed
out, like the larger problem.
How how do you how do we comeback from this?
I mean, there's like all ofthese hurdles that we have to
get over in order to have anykind of um new normal, let's
call it, that's looks better formost people, but it like it
(09:53):
breeds more hate, right?
It's like she does things likethat, and then everyone's like,
all of these people need to goto the hag, every single one of
them needs to be in the like I Idon't necessarily disagree,
really, truly, but like it likewhere does it end?
Right?
You just keep like one uppinglike this and then this and then
this.
Like it's just like violenceand nastiness, and then more
(10:15):
violence and nastiness, and likethere's how do you equalize it
so that we can actually haveconversations again?
Carmen Lezeth (10:23):
Right.
And I know you're not gonnalike me saying this, but I mean
it goes back to the Charlie Kirkthing as well.
Like, no matter how you feelabout Charlie Kirk, he did not
deserve to uh be killed to beassassinated, and um, you know,
we can kid around.
Andrea (10:38):
I have a problem with the word assassinated, but go
ahead.
Okay, okay, all right.
Carmen Lezeth (10:43):
Uh killed?
Yes, killed is a nervous okay,whatever, whatever, whatever.
Okay.
I'm just saying that's where weend up going when we have all
this vitriol, when we can't haveactual competent people.
And I am gonna say it that waybecause watching these people
spew from a place of such angerand hate, like I may swear every
(11:06):
once in a while, but it's notcoming from a place of hate.
You know what I mean?
I guess not coming from a placewhere I want to do something
bad to you.
I want you to understand mypoint of view, but I would never
intentionally hurt somebody,you know?
And she was just going after,like, and the lies.
I mean, what was great was allthe senators were ready for it,
(11:26):
right?
So she would say, You did A, B,C, and D, and you took money
from A, B, C, and D, andstraight up, like, yeah.
So that doesn't answer thequestion.
The question again is, and Iwas like, Oh, see, I wouldn't
have been able to hold back.
I would have been like, thatain't true.
That is not what happened.
He did not sponsor me.
Like, I would have reacted thatway, but they were all so
(11:46):
prepared and didn't fall for it,which made her look even worse,
you know.
Andrea (11:51):
But well, I mean, yeah, that's uh it's like violence is
where you go when you havenothing left, right?
When you can't have aconversation, when you can't
actually sort of prove yourpoint or say your piece and
agree to disagree, or you know,whatever it is.
That's it ratchets up until youget to violence, which is you
(12:13):
know, that that's my worry.
I mean, we're already there inmany differences, but you know,
that is my worry is likeeventually we will need to pull
back from this and like how doyou do that?
Um, you know, and there areother other societies and other
countries have done it, um, butit just it's a it's a long
(12:33):
process.
Carmen Lezeth (12:34):
It's a long process, especially when you
have a leader who gets excitedby it.
So, I mean, it always comesfrom the top, right?
But when you have somebodywho's, you know, I'm sorry for
those of you who don'tunderstand the bullshittery in
that Portland is on fire andthat war and like I'm convinced
(12:56):
they're just putting pictures infront of his face of like, you
know.
Andrea (13:00):
Even okay, let's pretend.
Carmen Lezeth (13:02):
Let's pretend Los Angeles is a hellfire where I
live, by the way, and travel toand around all the time during
that huge riot thing that washappening here.
It was not happening.
Let's pretend it was.
How does a president normallyhandle something like that?
They would go to the governorof the state and ask the
(13:23):
governor, or the governor wouldcall the president and say,
we're in trouble.
We need XYZ.
It is not that that's how youknow it's all bullshit because
the governors are sayingabsolutely not, do not do this.
Now he was able to do it inWashington because Washington,
D.C.
does not have the samerepresentation that we do in
(13:44):
other states.
And if you don't understand,Washington is a district, it's
District of Columbia, and I'llput down at the bottom why you
should Google it.
But that's why he was able todo what he did and continues to
have military force inWashington, D.C.
And all the violence, you know.
Yeah, it's I am tired of Trump.
Andrea (14:06):
I am tired of I know, but I'm only like not even 10
months in.
Why do you think?
I know, but it's every day.
Don't you feel like that?
Oh, this this honestly, likethere are so many reasons, so
many reasons why he should nothave been elected, but just the
(14:27):
sheer exhaustion of having todeal with this.
Like, isn't everybody tired ofthis bullshit?
Every day, it's some newbullshit.
Think of all of the days whenBiden was president that you
didn't even hear his name, ordidn't even think about him at
all.
Yeah, or George Bush, any otherpresident, right?
(14:50):
They're always like in yourface with some kind of bullshit,
and that's like he he needsthat, he thrives off of that.
I swear to god, it gives himsome kind of superhuman energy.
That's why he's still alivebecause he thrives off of this
crazy drama.
Carmen Lezeth (15:06):
But I look at I I said this the other day.
I think you know, Trump wantsso badly something he's never
going to have, which is respect.
Yeah, he's never he wants it sobadly.
He wants somehow to like hewants the Nobel Peace Prize,
which is great, knock yourselfout.
But he wants it so badlybecause Obama has one, right?
(15:29):
People who usually get theNobel Peace Prize aren't looking
for it.
Like, you know what I mean?
It's like tell me you love me,like forcing you to tell me that
you love me is a very differentthing when someone just says
that they love you.
You know what I mean?
Like, and come, and I feel likefor whatever reason, Trump
(15:50):
can't figure out how to get whathe really wants.
Like, like he says now he hatesall of Hollywood because he
knows Hollywood has rejectedhim, but he's always wanted to
be part of the Hollywoodthingamajiggy, right?
With the cool kids and hangingout or whatever.
But he doesn't get that.
He gets it from all the Bartists, right?
Because they're also not inwith the Hollywood crowd.
(16:12):
And it's like, I I know you'regonna laugh at me, but I feel
bad for him.
I feel bad for him because he'she's almost 80 years old,
right?
Isn't he in his 70s?
He's like 79, yeah.
And he's still cravingsomething, and he's still
incredibly jealous, incrediblyhateful.
He still hasn't come to a placein his life where he's like,
(16:34):
you know what?
I'm a man and I am going to bethis kind of person, whatever.
He's still running after shitthat all of us were running
after when we were like 11.
Andrea (16:44):
And he literally was just gonna say, he's like an
11-year-old, like a 12-year-old.
I mean, he just never actuallymatured into a normal human
being.
Um, and I don't feel sorry forhim, not one single bit.
And I said this last time, likewe all have our shit, we all
(17:04):
have some kind of something thathappened to us when we were
growing up where we didn't getsomething that we feel like we
needed, and that we did need forthat matter, right?
And I don't know about most ofus, but a lot of us went through
the process of facing that,understanding that, dealing with
(17:25):
it, and becoming maturefunctioning adults.
Carmen Lezeth (17:29):
I know, but you're forgetting something
that's really important, and I'mnot making excuses for him.
But the like if we're gonna getall psychological, and neither
one of us are PhDs in this, thisis just like normal
understanding of human beings,okay?
And my experience and yourexperience, like this is basic
shit.
Money.
When you have money and yougrow up with money, parents who
(17:53):
are not good parents, I'm justgonna say it straight up, will
turn around and try to save youfrom every consequence and
ramification of behaviors thatyou are doing.
And I, not being a parent, caneasily see this sometimes with
some of my friends, not anybodyin the room included, but right
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because you you want to protectyour children, and sometimes you
need to let your kids fall sothat they can learn the lesson.
Donald Trump has never had tolearn his lesson, never, not
once.
And he has built a life basedon lie after lie after lie, and
he got really good at using hisname and his money and his
prestige to get away witheverything.
(18:34):
Everything.
Look at anything he's gonethrough.
He continues to get away withit all the time.
Even the Epstein files, and I'mnot even trying to be funny
right now.
He now has a devout ChristianHouse Speaker not bringing
someone into Congress who wontheir Congress seat, right, in
Arizona because he is he'safraid.
(18:59):
Well, she would be the 216thsignature to release the Epstein
files.
It's not even to release them,by the way, it's to have the
conversation, right?
Or whatever it is, but it's thenext step.
So, House Speaker, what's hisname?
Johnson, I think, right?
Johnson, Johnson, who is adevout quote unquote Christian,
(19:19):
though I question that withevery day, with every single
day.
Right.
It's a slur, frankly, at thispoint.
It's a slur, that's actuallythat's actually true.
Um, he will and and and peoplekeep confronting him and asking
him questions, and he's justlying about it.
He's like, no, no, it's notthat we don't want her to be get
into Congress, blah, blah.
It's because we like the otherday, he said, I want it to be a
(19:42):
ceremony for her, I want her tobe able to have her family.
And so the the person was like,So if she brings her family,
will you then yeah?
The lies.
And so here is Trump againgetting away with the Epstein
files not being released, and hehas other people doing his
bidding.
And honestly, why?
(20:03):
When are you sacrificing yoursoul for money, for fame, for
power to keep this bullshitterygoing on?
Like, what is in the Epsteinfiles that he's so afraid?
By the way, none of us aregonna be surprised about nothing
that's in them damn Epstein.
I don't know what he's soafraid of.
Honest to God.
He's already money more thanenough.
(20:28):
I I don't understand what couldpossibly be in there that he's
so afraid of, but it's not justhim, it's all of his rich
friends that's the problem.
Andrea (20:38):
Well, yeah, I think that's more the issue is the
other people that are in it whohave money and you know, like
fund it and fund him.
Carmen Lezeth (20:47):
And I and I asked AI, and it was like it could
have global ramifications.
I'm like, what the bitch,please.
I was like, what?
So I I don't know.
I honestly they're going tocome out.
It may not be today ortomorrow, but that shit's gonna
come out.
It's gonna come out.
Yeah, so I feel bad for Trump.
(21:09):
I know you don't, but I just uhokay, whatever.
All right, we were gonna talkabout well, wait, did you want
to say something else?
No, like all right, we weregonna talk about ice agents.
I don't even know if I have theenergy for this.
I don't, I don't know if I do.
It's the same shit.
(21:30):
This anger and angst and andvitriol, but you know what I
found out?
I and I did do some research onthis.
So let me just say this part.
So I lived in Beverly Hills fora small amount of time, worst
experience of my life.
But um, I think I lived therefor like two years or something.
(21:50):
Um, and my next door neighboris a guy named Levi, and we
became good friends.
He could be my son, like, andI'd be so proud if he was.
But he had come to Los Angeles,he's from Texas, and he was
going through the process ofbecoming a fireman.
And uh so I got to know himbecause we would go to lunch
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every once in a while, and hewould tell me what he's going
through.
And so firemen go through amuch more rigorous, longer
process to become firemen thanpolice officers do.
So let me just, I'm gonna justtell you that to become a
firefighter, uh firefighter inLos Angeles, okay?
Um, there's a lot ofrequirements, but one of the
(22:33):
first ones that's reallyimportant is you have to have an
EMT license and be a uh CPATperson, which is candidate
physical ability test.
You have to pass that beforeyou can even apply.
Cops don't have that at all.
So the rest of it is prettythorough, whatever, but
basically the estimated timeframe to become a Los Angeles
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fire department person is 12 to18 months.
And in order to become a policeofficer carrying a gun, it's
six to nine months.
Okay, so that's just to startthere.
Now, an ice agent.
Let me just find I have all my15 pieces of paper here.
Uh let me just see.
I was gonna do research andthen I just got it.
(23:14):
But you don't you don't haveto.
It's not to, it's not aboutresearch.
Um let me just see where my iceagent shit is.
I mean, I love ice agents, it'sso amazing and great.
Don't come after me, bitch,because I'm Latina and brown
skin.
Okay, requirements to become anice agent.
You have to be a U.S.
citizen.
(23:35):
Duh.
Okay, valid driver's license,eligible to carry a firearm,
under 37 years old.
And here's where I questionthis: you have to have a
bachelor's degree with one ofthe following.
I know, wait, wait, wait.
You can't wait.
Preferred background, criminaljustice or law enforcement
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experience.
Bullshit.
Um, military service or priorfederal employment, preferred.
Um, you have to do drugscreening, medical exam,
physical fitness, backgroundinvestigations could take up to
three months.
That's all lies.
It's not lies.
I'm gonna explain why.
22.
Oh, and then training duties,you have to um you get paid
(24:17):
training uh for 22 weeks, okay?
So it sounds like ICE agentsget a lot of, right?
They get maybe even more thanLAPD.
But here's the difference,which is something I learned in
my research because I questionedthis, and I was like, there is
no way.
The same way Andrea was like,yeah, they don't got no
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bachelor's degree, these mofos.
The difference is ERO agentsare enforcement and removal
operation agents, and they arehired with high school diplomas
or equivalent, and everythingelse is bypassed.
Those are the people that areon the street, those are the
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people who are on the street.
That's why you see themclumsily hurting people and
doing all this shit because theyhave no idea what the fuck
they're doing.
Right.
Surprise, surprise.
So there are ICE agents fromback in the day, normal times,
and then there are ERO agents,which is what we're seeing on
the streets of our cities.
Andrea (25:25):
I don't know what I actually should say.
Carmen Lezeth (25:30):
Well, I was more curious because our last episode
you talked about you haveissues with cops, and we did get
someone who asked why you wouldhave they they wait, wait,
wait.
They understood why I wouldhave issues with cops, but why
would you, white woman Andrea,have issues with cops?
So that's kind of where this iscoming from.
Andrea (25:47):
It's a personal experience thing.
I mean, that's really what itcomes down to.
I don't want to get into like awhole autobiographical thing,
but you know, from the time Iwas quite young, um my
interactions with police were, Iwould say, overwhelmingly
negative.
Not that I had a lot of badinteractions, but but um, you
(26:10):
know, you live in aworking-class neighborhood,
pretty diverse in terms of theracial mix, and you see things
and you experience things.
And I think I said somewhere onthe show in one of the previous
episodes, I grew up in aMexican family.
Meaning, like, you know,they're like Mexican-American,
but like the people that I spenttime with in my family were
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Mexican people.
I was the odd personnel, right?
I'm the one who looks differentthan the whole rest of my
literally my entire family,pretty much.
Carmen Lezeth (26:41):
You really do, even your brother looks more
mexicano than you could ever.
Andrea (26:46):
And so I could see the difference just in treatment,
and that you know, I've I'm avery like uh you know, observant
person and all of those things,but like I'll I'll tell you
just a little story, littlebrief little autobiographical
story to give you an a sense ofyou don't have to, but we're
(27:06):
always well just a like so uh Igrew up in the 70s, right?
70s kid, right?
We were all like feral littlekids.
One day my cousin, my twocousins and my brother, we're
all the same age.
We're out doing what kids do inthe summer, right?
We're like walking around on acanal, literally.
Um not hanging out with gangmembers, like literally just the
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four of us, like you know, Idon't know why we were out
there.
I was very young, I wasliterally like five, six years
old, no joke.
Um I was like kindergarten tofirst grade.
And these older kids who wereprobably like junior high just
came and started messing withus, right?
And that's this is the kind ofstuff that happened back in the
day.
Like you were just out andthere were like different people
(27:52):
who would mess with you.
You didn't know who they wereor whatever.
Um, and so they were likemessing with us.
And one of the boys grabbed meby my shirt and kissed me, like
stuck his tongue down my throat,this big wet, nasty, slobbery
kiss, whatever.
I pushed him off of me.
I ran home, you know.
Call my mom, tell my mom.
(28:13):
And meanwhile, you know, youyou probably remember like being
out and being kind of littleferal kid, like you're probably
doing stuff and going placesyou're not really supposed to
go.
Like, so it's like typical 70skid.
Do I tell my mom that we wereout on the canal?
Because we're not supposed tobe out on the canal, whatever.
Anyway, I did.
She calls the cops, the copscome to our house.
(28:33):
Oh no, which is you know,whatever.
The cops come to our house.
Again, this is I'm truly likekindergarten first grade.
Cops come to our house.
I can't remember what he askedme or anything like that.
I remember like all the soundsof all of his equipment, and I
remember where he sat andeverything, and I remember very
distinctly at some point duringthe conversation, thinking he
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thinks this is my fault.
Like, I'm gonna get in trouble,or like my mom's gonna get in
trouble because we were outthere.
Where why were we there?
What were we doing?
Why why weren't why wasn'tsomeone watching us?
Like, all like that whole vibe,right?
And let me just say, this isthis little white girl
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experience is absolutely nothingcompared to the experience that
a lot of other kids have withthe police.
But what it distinctly left mewith is truly like an imprint of
don't go to the cops, they'renot gonna help you.
Uh, they might blame you, youmight get in trouble.
So that was like my firstinteraction that I can remember
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with the police.
And I have truly, since then,and I have had a fair amount of
interactions with the policebecause I'm you know, I've got
pulled over a lot in my teensand twenties.
Uh, I have never had aninteraction with the cops or
seen an interaction with thecops that proved me different.
Carmen Lezeth (30:00):
Wow.
Wow.
That's uh that's fascinating.
Um I uh no no I look at I Ithink that kind of explains it
too, and actually it's kind ofin a way refreshing.
I mean, I'm sorry you had thatexperience because look at it.
Here's the thing too.
I actually want to believe, Ican't say I really believe this,
but in my heart, I want tobelieve that people who become
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or want to be police officers gointo it for the right reasons.
And then sometimes I think,well, like I wish all police
officers had to go to collegefirst.
And I'm not trying to saycollege is the thing.
I'm not saying you have to be afour-degree, but I feel like
that's part of the problem islike there's not enough maturity
to be able to deal withde-escalation, dealing with kind
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of other issues that I thinkyou learn.
And if you're just like 18, 19years old and you're given a gun
and all this power andauthority after, you know, six
months of training, I feel likethat's part of the problem.
Andrea (31:00):
100%.
I mean, look, in my socialistutopia, um we do we do abolish
the police.
And that, and and what I meanby that is I don't mean no law
enforcement.
I'm saying law enforcement asit exists in the United States
today needs to be completelydeconstructed and rebuilt, and
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there needs to be extensive,intensive, I would say,
years-long training before youare given a weapon and put out
on the streets.
Uh, you know, while I'm at it,end qualified immunity.
People need to have personalliability for harm doing, you
know, for wrongdoing, doing harmto people, right?
I saw something months ago.
(31:46):
I remember on social media,someone said instead of having
the cities or the municipalitiespay for the lawsuits, take it
out of their pensions.
Yeah, right.
Like that would change thingsright away.
Create some actualself-policing, right?
If if if your wrongdoing iscoming out of my pension, I'm
probably not gonna stand by andlet you watch you hurt people,
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kick someone in the face whileyou arrest them.
You know what I mean?
Like it just needs to berethought.
And again, like I said, it's mysocialist utopia.
Obviously, it's never gonnahappen, but you know, I it needs
to look and be completelydifferent than it does today for
it to actually be a net good,right?
Carmen Lezeth (32:25):
I I think one of the reasons why unfortunately
people go into the policedepartment is because it's
easier, right?
And it's uh you you do, youhave this ability to make money.
It's not a lot of money at thebeginning, but you can make a
good living as a cop eventually,and then you have all of these
protections.
And if you have even an ounce,which you kind of sort of have
(32:47):
to, of power frenzy or kind ofthis weird control thing, or you
like guns, it's such a badplace for you to be, you know.
But um, you know, I don't knowif I agree with you 100%,
surprise, surprise.
But I do think it needs to bereimagined for sure.
And my whole thing is like, Idon't want people who are 18, 19
(33:10):
years old becoming going to thepolice academy.
I just don't.
I want you to have to go dosomething for four years and
become an actual adult whounderstands people, and it
doesn't have to be collie, butit has to be something, you
know?
And the thing about firemen,not only do they want to help
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people, because let's say that'swhat police want to do too, but
firemen actually are puttingthemselves on the line in order
to learn to help people withouta gun.
And it's about teamwork andit's about trying to understand
how to fix a situation.
But cops are not being toldthat, they're not being taught
that.
Andrea (33:51):
Yeah, I I just I do want to say, like, uh, I believe you
actually have to be 21 to be apolice officer with LAPD.
I could be wrong, but I knowyou could be right.
Carmen Lezeth (34:01):
Let me just say you're absolutely right.
Andrea (34:02):
We do a lot of recruitment and training in the
high schools, so they get peoplesort of prepped and ready to
go, but I think you have to be21.
Carmen Lezeth (34:10):
No, you do.
Firefighter, my apologies, youwere right.
To be a Los Angeles firedepartment, the minimum age to
start is 18.
Police officer LAPD, 21 at timeof hire.
So I don't know if that meansyou can start training before
him, but that's what you'retalking about.
They go into the schools andstuff like that, right?
Yeah.
So I still need them to do fouryears or something.
Andrea (34:31):
I don't know.
You know, again, like not thatanyone believes in science
anymore, but my understanding isthat men in particular are do
not even have fully formedbrains at that age.
Okay, we're gonna lose.
Carmen Lezeth (34:44):
I think all men are beautiful, and you have you
have fine ass brains.
Andrea (34:51):
Neither do a lot of women.
People's brains are not fullyformed until they're in their
mid-20s.
Like, oh yeah.
Carmen Lezeth (34:58):
I just I just wanted you to correct that.
Come on, like you're just likemen suck.
Yeah, I'm just kidding.
I'm just messing with you.
I'm messing with you.
Andrea (35:10):
Okay, they mature at a slower rate, and actually, like
physically, physiologically,that their brains are not fully
formed.
Carmen Lezeth (35:16):
So, what age would you prefer?
I would like to see cops intheir 30s.
Seriously, start the process.
Old ass cops.
Andrea (35:26):
Like, imagine you have like a ton of money and you have
like a trust fund.
Like, at what age do you wantyour child to be able to have
access to that money and beresponsible with it, right?
At what age do we want thesepeople to have a gun and be out
on the streets and beresponsible with it?
I mean, you know, I don't know.
Carmen Lezeth (35:45):
Yeah.
But I do think something that'sreally interesting is uh uh I
really am kind of over the copsbeing these buddy buddy people
who never say a bad thing aboutsomebody who's like killed
someone.
You know what I mean?
Like and it just the constantinability for them to be
individuals because then youhave to hear not all cops.
No, I'm sorry.
(36:06):
Oh, you mean uh when someoneelse in on the plane when
somebody I'm sorry, yeah, yeah.
When somebody else hurtssomebody and they don't, they
don't they don't get angry aboutit.
And even the cops that do, likeand they'll do like social
media posts or whatever, all ofa sudden their their TikToks are
gone.
Andrea (36:22):
Yeah, well, I mean, we talked about this before, it's
dangerous, you can't do that.
Yeah, you know, these are likeokay, everyone's gonna like
these are publicly funded gangs.
Like they just are, they trulyare, especially LA series
people.
Like, you can Google that shit.
It's definitely a public fundedgang.
I don't care.
Speaker 4 (36:44):
But then why we're gonna do it, like I'm trying to
hold back.
Andrea (36:47):
It's a brotherhood, we have to stick together.
You can't say just that's whatgangs do, that's what gangs do.
Carmen Lezeth (36:56):
I'm mad because you you're putting a bad name on
gangs.
No, I'm just gonna say why areyou doing that?
I grew up in the hood, man.
Like there's you know what's soweird in actual gangs, you do
something wrong, your ass iskicked out of the gang after it
being actually kicked and beatenup, you know what I mean?
Andrea (37:15):
And yeah, self-policing.
Carmen Lezeth (37:19):
They're very self-policing.
This is a bad episode.
I'm gonna have to cut all thatout.
We're advocating for gangsagainst police officers.
I'm not, I've never thought ofit.
I've never, I will tell youthis, I've never thought of it
that way, Andrea.
Never.
Andrea (37:36):
Yeah, well, I have, and it's actually like maybe not the
entire departments, maybe, butthere are it's a known fact in
in this area, and many, youknow, uh like there are actual
gangs in LA Sheriff'sDepartment.
It's known.
(37:57):
We know this.
Carmen Lezeth (37:59):
I have tattoos, they have tattoos, and they like
you have to mean that LA andthat the LAPD are gang
affiliate.
It just means that maybe formergang members have decided to
become cops.
Andrea (38:13):
Uh that's not what I'm saying.
I'm that's not what I'm saying.
I'm saying function like agang.
Carmen Lezeth (38:19):
No, no, I know what you're saying.
I just want okay, so you're notokay, okay, okay.
So you're saying that thepolice officers in the LADPD
have a gang of their own andthey have tattoos of their own.
You're not talking about gangmembers.
Andrea (38:33):
Yeah, that's sheriff's department, uh, not LAPD, but
probably, but it's LA's.
Okay, yeah, yeah.
Carmen Lezeth (38:39):
I I don't want no gang members from Los Angeles
coming after my ass.
Andrea (38:44):
No, this is like I'm not afraid of the LAPD.
They have gangs that they havecreated within the department.
Carmen Lezeth (38:53):
I have heard that, but yeah.
Okay.
Yeah.
I will say this, just to give ita look.
I don't, I'm not gonna say Idon't hate all cops, but I look
it, I had a really bad situationthat happened recently where I
had a kind of sort of stalker.
We've talked about this, youknow, where I got a weird letter
at work.
(39:14):
Um somebody talking veryspecifically about my Honda.
I told you about this, right?
Did you not know about this?
No.
Yes, you do.
Are you serious?
I talked about it on the show.
Oh my god, how did I not tellyou?
Well, because we don't usuallytalk anymore.
See, we don't have the time.
Speaker 4 (39:33):
I know.
Carmen Lezeth (39:33):
Okay, so um about four or five months ago, I got
a letter at work, and the letterum was very specific about when
I come to work, when I leave.
It was there, it was a poemabout my Honda and the
goldenness of it, and it wasreally weird, but it was also
and it was creepy.
(39:53):
And in the letter, it said,This is not creepy, which is the
sign.
You're like, oh, okay, nevermind then.
I'm glad you said that.
And here's the thing theydidn't sign it, they didn't sign
their name, right?
Um, but they knew where Iparked, and so I parked on the
street, I parked in the parkinglot, but they knew all that, and
it was in this weird poem.
I'll send you a copy of it.
(40:14):
It was so freaky weird.
So I, being someone as a youngkid who was stalked when I was a
performer, it really brought upsome weird feelings, and I was
so confused by the whole thing.
Like, is this just charming?
Is this just what I'm I don'tknow I was trying to?
Am I overreacting?
But it didn't matter, it waskeeping me up at night, it was
(40:36):
freaking out.
And then I thought I had tagson my car.
I mean, I was right because youcould put yeah, like air tags.
I was freaking out.
So I actually went to the SantaMonica Police Department, which
is part of the LAPD, but it'sthe Santa Monica uh whatever.
And they were wonderful, theywere wonderful.
They were lovely and kind andhelpful and calmed me down and
(41:00):
showed me how to check for mycar.
And, you know, they also saidthey explained to me that
there's nothing illegal.
That like somebody could sendyou flowers, not illegal.
Somebody could, you know,they're like they know it's
uncomfortable for you, but it'snot they haven't done anything.
They haven't, there's nothingin here that says it's violent
or whatever, they're just anadmirer.
And one of the officers said,um, you know, back in the day,
(41:24):
this would have been thought ofas charming.
He's like, but in this day andage, with social media and with,
you know, they shouldn't havedone this, you know.
So they then reached out to theLAPD to make sure that because
where it happened was in adifferent area than where I
live.
And so, and I felt all of asudden very protected for I will
(41:46):
say for the first time in mylife when it comes to police
officers.
He gave me his card.
They were like, you know, don'ttry not to worry about it.
It's gonna be fine, blah, blah,blah.
And so I think about it in thatsense.
Like, I do want lawenforcement, but what I want is
good law enforcement.
I want good cops like thesecops who are trying to help the
(42:07):
public good, you know.
Um, and I want to believe thatmost cops are like that.
Unfortunately, I don't seethat.
Like, I my heart wants tobelieve it, but I don't see that
as evident all the time and allthe things we always hear
about, you know?
Andrea (42:24):
Yeah, well, and to your point, right?
It's uh it would be fantasticand amazing and and really
affirming to have these goodcops come out like en masse
against some of the, you know,really disgusting and horrific
and illegal things that uh theircolleagues are doing, but
(42:45):
they're uh either not allowed orvery strongly discouraged or
even threatened to not do that.
And that's what perpetuatesthis perception.
Carmen Lezeth (42:56):
And it would have been cleaned up so much quicker
if the first time somebody haddone something wrong on the
force, that all of them werelike, that was wrong, we don't
believe in that, and they wouldhave been dismissed out of the
force, and there you go.
We would be, you know, youwould learn the lesson.
But what ends up happening isyou learn you can get away with
whatever you want, and so peopledo whatever they want to do.
(43:20):
So yeah.
Well, that was an interestingconversation, my dear friend.
And I you know what?
I think it's okay.
I sometimes I'm afraid becausewe get so personal, but I think
it's all right.
Andrea (43:38):
Uh look, I'm just a you know, white lady spouting off
her shit.
Carmen Lezeth (43:45):
I thought you're gonna say I'm just a girl
looking for a boy.
Looking for a good cop.
Just looking for a good cop.
Yeah, good people ingovernment.
Yeah, just a brandful.
I'm just looking to, you knowwhat I'm looking forward to
someday, and I think this willhappen.
We will get back to a time, myprayer is that we can live our
(44:07):
lives and not have to heareverything about what's
happening in politics everysingle day.
Yeah, that would be ideal, yes.
So crossing our fingers.
Anyway, everyone, thank you somuch for um listening and
hanging out with us.
Please consider following us onYouTube and um on Substack.
We really appreciate you.
And remember, at the end of theday, it really is all about the
(44:29):
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Hey everyone.
Welcome to All About the Joy.
This is Culture and Consequencewith Carmen and Andrea.
Hey, what's up?
How you doing, Ans?
I'm good.
Okay, cool.
So, what do you want to talkabout?
I'm gonna leave it up to you.
I mean, we have a list, but wehave a list.
We have a list.
Um, what's bothering me today?
(00:20):
Okay, I'll tell you what'sbothering me today.
Yeah, go for it.
I am tired of the nastiness.
Like, I I I know you want totalk about like racism, but I
love to.
Andrea (00:35):
Love to love it.
Carmen Lezeth (00:36):
No, no, no, but here's the thing.
You know what?
Um, just watching, what's thiswoman's name?
It's both of them.
It's uh Stephen Miller, thedeputy.
I didn't realize he was justthe deputy um chief of staff.
I thought he was actually thechief of staff.
I believe he's actually thepresident.
True.
(00:57):
He's also the um, let me seewhat he is, because I had to, I
mean, he's an asshole, but he'salso the homeland security
advisor.
But um, for people who don'tknow, I mean, why would anyone
know this?
I live in Santa Monica,California.
I've been here 30 years.
I think he's in his 30s.
He grew up in thisneighborhood, okay.
(01:19):
That I and he was here part ofthe time when I was, he went to
school here.
I don't know him.
Thank you, Lord.
Jesus, thank you.
But but maybe if I had, I couldhave, I don't know, melted his
heart or something.
I have no idea.
I don't think so, girl.
But I am shooketh at why heturned out to be such an evil
(01:39):
human being.
I mean, he's angry and nastyand mean and so.
I'm sorry, what is that hisfamily hates him?
His family does.
Oh, I actually have a quotefrom his cousin, Alyssa Casmar,
publicly disowned him in 2025,calling him the face of evil due
(02:02):
to his role in shaping theTrump administration's
immigration policies.
And her quote is, I am livingwith the deep pain of watching
someone I once loved become theface of evil.
I will never knowingly let evilinto my life, no matter whose
blood it carries, including myown.
I mean, and she goes on and on,but his other family members
have really a lot of them havelike not said anything, like,
(02:25):
which I think is also telling.
You know what I mean?
Um, but I'm I I literally theother day walked around where he
went to school, walked aroundwhere I think he possibly lived.
Like all these areas.
I'm like, why?
Um I think he got his asskicked by some Latino kids.
I do.
I think he was bullied orsomething by some.
(02:46):
I'm not blaming it on Latinokids.
It's not what I mean.
I'm just your fault.
Latino kids.
You reap what you sow.
No, but he must have beenbullied or something because he
is weird.
Andrea (03:02):
Yeah, I mean, like, I I I really am hesitant to go in
the direction of like somepeople are just born evil.
Um, yeah, me too.
But I do think there may belike a slight predisposition,
and if you know, facts on theground, I guess, right after
you're born, um, feed into that.
(03:25):
You know, I don't know what hishis actual like, you know,
family situation was, what hisparents are like, or any of
those kinds of things.
But um it does kind of point tomaybe he was bullied in some
way.
Maybe he liked a girl whodecided to go out with a hot
Latin dude.
I don't know.
Carmen Lezeth (03:48):
It really because his family, he he has a Jewish
background, which is the otherpart of this, like the the
vitriol he has towards otherpeople after you know your own
history.
I mean, I know look it.
Andrea (04:01):
We're in the I'm just shooketh by I I also as I am
hesitant to think that peopleare like born evil, sort of.
Um I I do also think that a lotof the hate and the vitriol
comes from some this is so likepsychological, you know,
(04:24):
psychological trauma?
Well, no, like deepself-hatred.
Like there's something that youjust can't deal with when you
look in the mirror.
No offense.
I just mean like I don't evenmean like your attractiveness,
(04:47):
but like there's something deepwithin you that you desperately
don't like, and so you put itout into the world, you know
what I mean?
Um I feel like he needs a hug.
Oh, he no, he needs a hard,hard slap.
That's what he means.
Carmen Lezeth (05:06):
There is the difference between me and
Andreya.
If you want to know, I'mwilling to give him a slap.
I mean, I'm willing to give hima hug.
So you already have turned tome.
I'm like, yes, a slap.
No, we are not for violenceever.
I'm not.
I'm not.
I do not speak on behalf ofAndreel.
I like so so this came upbecause then Pam Bondi, who I'm
(05:30):
like, whoa, she's the UnitedStates Attorney General, and she
was in front of Congress thisweek.
And I don't care whether youagree with her or not, and
clearly I don't agree with herat all because I'm not a fan.
Her nastiness, like again, likethis vitriol, this inability to
have conversations, thisinability, even if you don't
(05:53):
want to answer questions, whichshe clearly she was not
answering any questionswhatsoever.
She was just like totally, youknow, whataboutism seems to be
her thing.
You know, somebody would askher, is the sky blue?
And she'd be like, I can'tbelieve you would ask me a
question after what you did at arodeo five years ago.
(06:13):
I mean, it was just randomshit.
It was random.
And I was like, all thisvitriol, all this angst.
I mean, this is what I think iseven more profound in our
politics today, right?
This inability to just haveconversations.
Andrea (06:29):
Well, and it's like, you know, not to use like a network
television word, but like it'sjust so performative.
You know what I mean?
They're they're doing it sothat Trump can see it and be
like, yeah, you're fighting, youknow, give them hell.
And, you know, like that's hisvibe.
Sorry.
Carmen Lezeth (06:49):
That's okay.
Dogs are allowed.
That's okay.
We just have to let people knowthat that's not like me putting
in a sound.
Andrea (06:56):
That is probably a leaf blowing by that my dog didn't
like.
Carmen Lezeth (07:02):
Yeah.
The victory all and the and thebarking, I could hear it.
Andrea (07:06):
He's like, yes, yeah, um Go ahead.
You were saying No, I was justsaying, like, there, you know,
it's primarily, I believe, towell, I think it serves a couple
of purposes.
Number one, first and foremost,Trump wants to see fighters and
he wants to see people who aretough and all of that because
he's not, and you know, they'reactually not, so they want to
(07:29):
sort of perform toughness.
Carmen Lezeth (07:31):
And they don't want to release the Epstein
files.
Okay, sorry.
Andrea (07:34):
Yes, that as well.
Um and then it also, I think,riles up a certain contingent of
their base who are predisposedto like want to be that way.
You know, like we sort of likeit's sort of a joke, like, you
know, Carmen's a hugger, I'm aslapper, you know.
But like I'm I'm notnecessarily like I think there
(07:59):
are people who respond to thatthat they are trying to get to
specifically, you know.
Carmen Lezeth (08:07):
Right.
Um, I totally get that, and Iagree with you.
I do think it's performative.
I guess I just feel sad becauselike that, it was so not
productive.
And yet what was great, whatwas great was to watch her for
me.
Like I watched her, and I waslike, this is exactly what
(08:30):
people need to see.
They need to see another personand that perfect blonde white
woman, you know what I mean?
Like exactly the package thatwe think is the perfect American
or whatever, the other sidethinks, or whatever, and see
that kind of vitriol and thatanger or whatever, and see how
performative that is theperfect.
(08:51):
Because I don't even thinkpeople, the same people, the
same conservatives andRepublicans were okay with all
that.
You know what I mean?
Like it just seemed to, Ithink, flop badly.
Um, because everybody saw whatshe was doing, everybody
understood what she was doing.
She was just, you know,performing for one person and
(09:12):
not answering any questionswhatsoever.
And um and throwing cash patelunder the bus, which was great
as far as I'm concerned.
Could care less about him too.
So that was unbelievable.
But yeah, I'm just tired of thenastiness.
So, anyways.
Andrea (09:27):
Yeah, I mean, that's I think that's uh as you pointed
out, like the larger problem.
How how do you how do we comeback from this?
I mean, there's like all ofthese hurdles that we have to
get over in order to have anykind of um new normal, let's
call it, that's looks better formost people, but it like it
(09:53):
breeds more hate, right?
It's like she does things likethat, and then everyone's like,
all of these people need to goto the hag, every single one of
them needs to be in the like I Idon't necessarily disagree,
really, truly, but like it likewhere does it end?
Right?
You just keep like one uppinglike this and then this and then
this.
Like it's just like violenceand nastiness, and then more
(10:15):
violence and nastiness, and likethere's how do you equalize it
so that we can actually haveconversations again?
Carmen Lezeth (10:23):
Right.
And I know you're not gonnalike me saying this, but I mean
it goes back to the Charlie Kirkthing as well.
Like, no matter how you feelabout Charlie Kirk, he did not
deserve to uh be killed to beassassinated, and um, you know,
we can kid around.
Andrea (10:38):
I have a problem with the word assassinated, but go
ahead.
Okay, okay, all right.
Carmen Lezeth (10:43):
Uh killed?
Yes, killed is a nervous okay,whatever, whatever, whatever.
Okay.
I'm just saying that's where weend up going when we have all
this vitriol, when we can't haveactual competent people.
And I am gonna say it that waybecause watching these people
spew from a place of such angerand hate, like I may swear every
(11:06):
once in a while, but it's notcoming from a place of hate.
You know what I mean?
I guess not coming from a placewhere I want to do something
bad to you.
I want you to understand mypoint of view, but I would never
intentionally hurt somebody,you know?
And she was just going after,like, and the lies.
I mean, what was great was allthe senators were ready for it,
(11:26):
right?
So she would say, You did A, B,C, and D, and you took money
from A, B, C, and D, andstraight up, like, yeah.
So that doesn't answer thequestion.
The question again is, and Iwas like, Oh, see, I wouldn't
have been able to hold back.
I would have been like, thatain't true.
That is not what happened.
He did not sponsor me.
Like, I would have reacted thatway, but they were all so
(11:46):
prepared and didn't fall for it,which made her look even worse,
you know.
Andrea (11:51):
But well, I mean, yeah, that's uh it's like violence is
where you go when you havenothing left, right?
When you can't have aconversation, when you can't
actually sort of prove yourpoint or say your piece and
agree to disagree, or you know,whatever it is.
That's it ratchets up until youget to violence, which is you
(12:13):
know, that that's my worry.
I mean, we're already there inmany differences, but you know,
that is my worry is likeeventually we will need to pull
back from this and like how doyou do that?
Um, you know, and there areother other societies and other
countries have done it, um, butit just it's a it's a long
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process.
Carmen Lezeth (12:34):
It's a long process, especially when you
have a leader who gets excitedby it.
So, I mean, it always comesfrom the top, right?
But when you have somebodywho's, you know, I'm sorry for
those of you who don'tunderstand the bullshittery in
that Portland is on fire andthat war and like I'm convinced
(12:56):
they're just putting pictures infront of his face of like, you
know.
Andrea (13:00):
Even okay, let's pretend.
Carmen Lezeth (13:02):
Let's pretend Los Angeles is a hellfire where I
live, by the way, and travel toand around all the time during
that huge riot thing that washappening here.
It was not happening.
Let's pretend it was.
How does a president normallyhandle something like that?
They would go to the governorof the state and ask the
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governor, or the governor wouldcall the president and say,
we're in trouble.
We need XYZ.
It is not that that's how youknow it's all bullshit because
the governors are sayingabsolutely not, do not do this.
Now he was able to do it inWashington because Washington,
D.C.
does not have the samerepresentation that we do in
(13:44):
other states.
And if you don't understand,Washington is a district, it's
District of Columbia, and I'llput down at the bottom why you
should Google it.
But that's why he was able todo what he did and continues to
have military force inWashington, D.C.
And all the violence, you know.
Yeah, it's I am tired of Trump.
Andrea (14:06):
I am tired of I know, but I'm only like not even 10
months in.
Why do you think?
I know, but it's every day.
Don't you feel like that?
Oh, this this honestly, likethere are so many reasons, so
many reasons why he should nothave been elected, but just the
(14:27):
sheer exhaustion of having todeal with this.
Like, isn't everybody tired ofthis bullshit?
Every day, it's some newbullshit.
Think of all of the days whenBiden was president that you
didn't even hear his name, ordidn't even think about him at
all.
Yeah, or George Bush, any otherpresident, right?
(14:50):
They're always like in yourface with some kind of bullshit,
and that's like he he needsthat, he thrives off of that.
I swear to god, it gives himsome kind of superhuman energy.
That's why he's still alivebecause he thrives off of this
crazy drama.
Carmen Lezeth (15:06):
But I look at I I said this the other day.
I think you know, Trump wantsso badly something he's never
going to have, which is respect.
Yeah, he's never he wants it sobadly.
He wants somehow to like hewants the Nobel Peace Prize,
which is great, knock yourselfout.
But he wants it so badlybecause Obama has one, right?
(15:29):
People who usually get theNobel Peace Prize aren't looking
for it.
Like, you know what I mean?
It's like tell me you love me,like forcing you to tell me that
you love me is a very differentthing when someone just says
that they love you.
You know what I mean?
Like, and come, and I feel likefor whatever reason, Trump
(15:50):
can't figure out how to get whathe really wants.
Like, like he says now he hatesall of Hollywood because he
knows Hollywood has rejectedhim, but he's always wanted to
be part of the Hollywoodthingamajiggy, right?
With the cool kids and hangingout or whatever.
But he doesn't get that.
He gets it from all the Bartists, right?
Because they're also not inwith the Hollywood crowd.
(16:12):
And it's like, I I know you'regonna laugh at me, but I feel
bad for him.
I feel bad for him because he'she's almost 80 years old,
right?
Isn't he in his 70s?
He's like 79, yeah.
And he's still cravingsomething, and he's still
incredibly jealous, incrediblyhateful.
He still hasn't come to a placein his life where he's like,
(16:34):
you know what?
I'm a man and I am going to bethis kind of person, whatever.
He's still running after shitthat all of us were running
after when we were like 11.
Andrea (16:44):
And he literally was just gonna say, he's like an
11-year-old, like a 12-year-old.
I mean, he just never actuallymatured into a normal human
being.
Um, and I don't feel sorry forhim, not one single bit.
And I said this last time, likewe all have our shit, we all
(17:04):
have some kind of something thathappened to us when we were
growing up where we didn't getsomething that we feel like we
needed, and that we did need forthat matter, right?
And I don't know about most ofus, but a lot of us went through
the process of facing that,understanding that, dealing with
(17:25):
it, and becoming maturefunctioning adults.
Carmen Lezeth (17:29):
I know, but you're forgetting something
that's really important, and I'mnot making excuses for him.
But the like if we're gonna getall psychological, and neither
one of us are PhDs in this, thisis just like normal
understanding of human beings,okay?
And my experience and yourexperience, like this is basic
shit.
Money.
When you have money and yougrow up with money, parents who
(17:53):
are not good parents, I'm justgonna say it straight up, will
turn around and try to save youfrom every consequence and
ramification of behaviors thatyou are doing.
And I, not being a parent, caneasily see this sometimes with
some of my friends, not anybodyin the room included, but right
(18:13):
because you you want to protectyour children, and sometimes you
need to let your kids fall sothat they can learn the lesson.
Donald Trump has never had tolearn his lesson, never, not
once.
And he has built a life basedon lie after lie after lie, and
he got really good at using hisname and his money and his
prestige to get away witheverything.
(18:34):
Everything.
Look at anything he's gonethrough.
He continues to get away withit all the time.
Even the Epstein files, and I'mnot even trying to be funny
right now.
He now has a devout ChristianHouse Speaker not bringing
someone into Congress who wontheir Congress seat, right, in
Arizona because he is he'safraid.
(18:59):
Well, she would be the 216thsignature to release the Epstein
files.
It's not even to release them,by the way, it's to have the
conversation, right?
Or whatever it is, but it's thenext step.
So, House Speaker, what's hisname?
Johnson, I think, right?
Johnson, Johnson, who is adevout quote unquote Christian,
(19:19):
though I question that withevery day, with every single
day.
Right.
It's a slur, frankly, at thispoint.
It's a slur, that's actuallythat's actually true.
Um, he will and and and peoplekeep confronting him and asking
him questions, and he's justlying about it.
He's like, no, no, it's notthat we don't want her to be get
into Congress, blah, blah.
It's because we like the otherday, he said, I want it to be a
(19:42):
ceremony for her, I want her tobe able to have her family.
And so the the person was like,So if she brings her family,
will you then yeah?
The lies.
And so here is Trump againgetting away with the Epstein
files not being released, and hehas other people doing his
bidding.
And honestly, why?
(20:03):
When are you sacrificing yoursoul for money, for fame, for
power to keep this bullshitterygoing on?
Like, what is in the Epsteinfiles that he's so afraid?
By the way, none of us aregonna be surprised about nothing
that's in them damn Epstein.
I don't know what he's soafraid of.
Honest to God.
He's already money more thanenough.
(20:28):
I I don't understand what couldpossibly be in there that he's
so afraid of, but it's not justhim, it's all of his rich
friends that's the problem.
Andrea (20:38):
Well, yeah, I think that's more the issue is the
other people that are in it whohave money and you know, like
fund it and fund him.
Carmen Lezeth (20:47):
And I and I asked AI, and it was like it could
have global ramifications.
I'm like, what the bitch,please.
I was like, what?
So I I don't know.
I honestly they're going tocome out.
It may not be today ortomorrow, but that shit's gonna
come out.
It's gonna come out.
Yeah, so I feel bad for Trump.
(21:09):
I know you don't, but I just uhokay, whatever.
All right, we were gonna talkabout well, wait, did you want
to say something else?
No, like all right, we weregonna talk about ice agents.
I don't even know if I have theenergy for this.
I don't, I don't know if I do.
It's the same shit.
(21:30):
This anger and angst and andvitriol, but you know what I
found out?
I and I did do some research onthis.
So let me just say this part.
So I lived in Beverly Hills fora small amount of time, worst
experience of my life.
But um, I think I lived therefor like two years or something.
(21:50):
Um, and my next door neighboris a guy named Levi, and we
became good friends.
He could be my son, like, andI'd be so proud if he was.
But he had come to Los Angeles,he's from Texas, and he was
going through the process ofbecoming a fireman.
And uh so I got to know himbecause we would go to lunch
(22:10):
every once in a while, and hewould tell me what he's going
through.
And so firemen go through amuch more rigorous, longer
process to become firemen thanpolice officers do.
So let me just, I'm gonna justtell you that to become a
firefighter, uh firefighter inLos Angeles, okay?
Um, there's a lot ofrequirements, but one of the
(22:33):
first ones that's reallyimportant is you have to have an
EMT license and be a uh CPATperson, which is candidate
physical ability test.
You have to pass that beforeyou can even apply.
Cops don't have that at all.
So the rest of it is prettythorough, whatever, but
basically the estimated timeframe to become a Los Angeles
(22:53):
fire department person is 12 to18 months.
And in order to become a policeofficer carrying a gun, it's
six to nine months.
Okay, so that's just to startthere.
Now, an ice agent.
Let me just find I have all my15 pieces of paper here.
Uh let me just see.
I was gonna do research andthen I just got it.
(23:14):
But you don't you don't haveto.
It's not to, it's not aboutresearch.
Um let me just see where my iceagent shit is.
I mean, I love ice agents, it'sso amazing and great.
Don't come after me, bitch,because I'm Latina and brown
skin.
Okay, requirements to become anice agent.
You have to be a U.S.
citizen.
(23:35):
Duh.
Okay, valid driver's license,eligible to carry a firearm,
under 37 years old.
And here's where I questionthis: you have to have a
bachelor's degree with one ofthe following.
I know, wait, wait, wait.
You can't wait.
Preferred background, criminaljustice or law enforcement
(23:57):
experience.
Bullshit.
Um, military service or priorfederal employment, preferred.
Um, you have to do drugscreening, medical exam,
physical fitness, backgroundinvestigations could take up to
three months.
That's all lies.
It's not lies.
I'm gonna explain why.
22.
Oh, and then training duties,you have to um you get paid
(24:17):
training uh for 22 weeks, okay?
So it sounds like ICE agentsget a lot of, right?
They get maybe even more thanLAPD.
But here's the difference,which is something I learned in
my research because I questionedthis, and I was like, there is
no way.
The same way Andrea was like,yeah, they don't got no
(24:37):
bachelor's degree, these mofos.
The difference is ERO agentsare enforcement and removal
operation agents, and they arehired with high school diplomas
or equivalent, and everythingelse is bypassed.
Those are the people that areon the street, those are the
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people who are on the street.
That's why you see themclumsily hurting people and
doing all this shit because theyhave no idea what the fuck
they're doing.
Right.
Surprise, surprise.
So there are ICE agents fromback in the day, normal times,
and then there are ERO agents,which is what we're seeing on
the streets of our cities.
Andrea (25:25):
I don't know what I actually should say.
Carmen Lezeth (25:30):
Well, I was more curious because our last episode
you talked about you haveissues with cops, and we did get
someone who asked why you wouldhave they they wait, wait,
wait.
They understood why I wouldhave issues with cops, but why
would you, white woman Andrea,have issues with cops?
So that's kind of where this iscoming from.
Andrea (25:47):
It's a personal experience thing.
I mean, that's really what itcomes down to.
I don't want to get into like awhole autobiographical thing,
but you know, from the time Iwas quite young, um my
interactions with police were, Iwould say, overwhelmingly
negative.
Not that I had a lot of badinteractions, but but um, you
(26:10):
know, you live in aworking-class neighborhood,
pretty diverse in terms of theracial mix, and you see things
and you experience things.
And I think I said somewhere onthe show in one of the previous
episodes, I grew up in aMexican family.
Meaning, like, you know,they're like Mexican-American,
but like the people that I spenttime with in my family were
(26:32):
Mexican people.
I was the odd personnel, right?
I'm the one who looks differentthan the whole rest of my
literally my entire family,pretty much.
Carmen Lezeth (26:41):
You really do, even your brother looks more
mexicano than you could ever.
Andrea (26:46):
And so I could see the difference just in treatment,
and that you know, I've I'm avery like uh you know, observant
person and all of those things,but like I'll I'll tell you
just a little story, littlebrief little autobiographical
story to give you an a sense ofyou don't have to, but we're
(27:06):
always well just a like so uh Igrew up in the 70s, right?
70s kid, right?
We were all like feral littlekids.
One day my cousin, my twocousins and my brother, we're
all the same age.
We're out doing what kids do inthe summer, right?
We're like walking around on acanal, literally.
Um not hanging out with gangmembers, like literally just the
(27:30):
four of us, like you know, Idon't know why we were out
there.
I was very young, I wasliterally like five, six years
old, no joke.
Um I was like kindergarten tofirst grade.
And these older kids who wereprobably like junior high just
came and started messing withus, right?
And that's this is the kind ofstuff that happened back in the
day.
Like you were just out andthere were like different people
(27:52):
who would mess with you.
You didn't know who they wereor whatever.
Um, and so they were likemessing with us.
And one of the boys grabbed meby my shirt and kissed me, like
stuck his tongue down my throat,this big wet, nasty, slobbery
kiss, whatever.
I pushed him off of me.
I ran home, you know.
Call my mom, tell my mom.
(28:13):
And meanwhile, you know, youyou probably remember like being
out and being kind of littleferal kid, like you're probably
doing stuff and going placesyou're not really supposed to
go.
Like, so it's like typical 70skid.
Do I tell my mom that we wereout on the canal?
Because we're not supposed tobe out on the canal, whatever.
Anyway, I did.
She calls the cops, the copscome to our house.
(28:33):
Oh no, which is you know,whatever.
The cops come to our house.
Again, this is I'm truly likekindergarten first grade.
Cops come to our house.
I can't remember what he askedme or anything like that.
I remember like all the soundsof all of his equipment, and I
remember where he sat andeverything, and I remember very
distinctly at some point duringthe conversation, thinking he
(28:56):
thinks this is my fault.
Like, I'm gonna get in trouble,or like my mom's gonna get in
trouble because we were outthere.
Where why were we there?
What were we doing?
Why why weren't why wasn'tsomeone watching us?
Like, all like that whole vibe,right?
And let me just say, this isthis little white girl
(29:19):
experience is absolutely nothingcompared to the experience that
a lot of other kids have withthe police.
But what it distinctly left mewith is truly like an imprint of
don't go to the cops, they'renot gonna help you.
Uh, they might blame you, youmight get in trouble.
So that was like my firstinteraction that I can remember
(29:41):
with the police.
And I have truly, since then,and I have had a fair amount of
interactions with the policebecause I'm you know, I've got
pulled over a lot in my teensand twenties.
Uh, I have never had aninteraction with the cops or
seen an interaction with thecops that proved me different.
Carmen Lezeth (30:00):
Wow.
Wow.
That's uh that's fascinating.
Um I uh no no I look at I Ithink that kind of explains it
too, and actually it's kind ofin a way refreshing.
I mean, I'm sorry you had thatexperience because look at it.
Here's the thing too.
I actually want to believe, Ican't say I really believe this,
but in my heart, I want tobelieve that people who become
(30:23):
or want to be police officers gointo it for the right reasons.
And then sometimes I think,well, like I wish all police
officers had to go to collegefirst.
And I'm not trying to saycollege is the thing.
I'm not saying you have to be afour-degree, but I feel like
that's part of the problem islike there's not enough maturity
to be able to deal withde-escalation, dealing with kind
(30:47):
of other issues that I thinkyou learn.
And if you're just like 18, 19years old and you're given a gun
and all this power andauthority after, you know, six
months of training, I feel likethat's part of the problem.
Andrea (31:00):
100%.
I mean, look, in my socialistutopia, um we do we do abolish
the police.
And that, and and what I meanby that is I don't mean no law
enforcement.
I'm saying law enforcement asit exists in the United States
today needs to be completelydeconstructed and rebuilt, and
(31:24):
there needs to be extensive,intensive, I would say,
years-long training before youare given a weapon and put out
on the streets.
Uh, you know, while I'm at it,end qualified immunity.
People need to have personalliability for harm doing, you
know, for wrongdoing, doing harmto people, right?
I saw something months ago.
(31:46):
I remember on social media,someone said instead of having
the cities or the municipalitiespay for the lawsuits, take it
out of their pensions.
Yeah, right.
Like that would change thingsright away.
Create some actualself-policing, right?
If if if your wrongdoing iscoming out of my pension, I'm
probably not gonna stand by andlet you watch you hurt people,
(32:07):
kick someone in the face whileyou arrest them.
You know what I mean?
Like it just needs to berethought.
And again, like I said, it's mysocialist utopia.
Obviously, it's never gonnahappen, but you know, I it needs
to look and be completelydifferent than it does today for
it to actually be a net good,right?
Carmen Lezeth (32:25):
I I think one of the reasons why unfortunately
people go into the policedepartment is because it's
easier, right?
And it's uh you you do, youhave this ability to make money.
It's not a lot of money at thebeginning, but you can make a
good living as a cop eventually,and then you have all of these
protections.
And if you have even an ounce,which you kind of sort of have
(32:47):
to, of power frenzy or kind ofthis weird control thing, or you
like guns, it's such a badplace for you to be, you know.
But um, you know, I don't knowif I agree with you 100%,
surprise, surprise.
But I do think it needs to bereimagined for sure.
And my whole thing is like, Idon't want people who are 18, 19
(33:10):
years old becoming going to thepolice academy.
I just don't.
I want you to have to go dosomething for four years and
become an actual adult whounderstands people, and it
doesn't have to be collie, butit has to be something, you
know?
And the thing about firemen,not only do they want to help
(33:30):
people, because let's say that'swhat police want to do too, but
firemen actually are puttingthemselves on the line in order
to learn to help people withouta gun.
And it's about teamwork andit's about trying to understand
how to fix a situation.
But cops are not being toldthat, they're not being taught
that.
Andrea (33:51):
Yeah, I I just I do want to say, like, uh, I believe you
actually have to be 21 to be apolice officer with LAPD.
I could be wrong, but I knowyou could be right.
Carmen Lezeth (34:01):
Let me just say you're absolutely right.
Andrea (34:02):
We do a lot of recruitment and training in the
high schools, so they get peoplesort of prepped and ready to
go, but I think you have to be21.
Carmen Lezeth (34:10):
No, you do.
Firefighter, my apologies, youwere right.
To be a Los Angeles firedepartment, the minimum age to
start is 18.
Police officer LAPD, 21 at timeof hire.
So I don't know if that meansyou can start training before
him, but that's what you'retalking about.
They go into the schools andstuff like that, right?
Yeah.
So I still need them to do fouryears or something.
Andrea (34:31):
I don't know.
You know, again, like not thatanyone believes in science
anymore, but my understanding isthat men in particular are do
not even have fully formedbrains at that age.
Okay, we're gonna lose.
Carmen Lezeth (34:44):
I think all men are beautiful, and you have you
have fine ass brains.
Andrea (34:51):
Neither do a lot of women.
People's brains are not fullyformed until they're in their
mid-20s.
Like, oh yeah.
Carmen Lezeth (34:58):
I just I just wanted you to correct that.
Come on, like you're just likemen suck.
Yeah, I'm just kidding.
I'm just messing with you.
I'm messing with you.
Andrea (35:10):
Okay, they mature at a slower rate, and actually, like
physically, physiologically,that their brains are not fully
formed.
Carmen Lezeth (35:16):
So, what age would you prefer?
I would like to see cops intheir 30s.
Seriously, start the process.
Old ass cops.
Andrea (35:26):
Like, imagine you have like a ton of money and you have
like a trust fund.
Like, at what age do you wantyour child to be able to have
access to that money and beresponsible with it, right?
At what age do we want thesepeople to have a gun and be out
on the streets and beresponsible with it?
I mean, you know, I don't know.
Carmen Lezeth (35:45):
Yeah.
But I do think something that'sreally interesting is uh uh I
really am kind of over the copsbeing these buddy buddy people
who never say a bad thing aboutsomebody who's like killed
someone.
You know what I mean?
Like and it just the constantinability for them to be
individuals because then youhave to hear not all cops.
No, I'm sorry.
(36:06):
Oh, you mean uh when someoneelse in on the plane when
somebody I'm sorry, yeah, yeah.
When somebody else hurtssomebody and they don't, they
don't they don't get angry aboutit.
And even the cops that do, likeand they'll do like social
media posts or whatever, all ofa sudden their their TikToks are
gone.
Andrea (36:22):
Yeah, well, I mean, we talked about this before, it's
dangerous, you can't do that.
Yeah, you know, these are likeokay, everyone's gonna like
these are publicly funded gangs.
Like they just are, they trulyare, especially LA series
people.
Like, you can Google that shit.
It's definitely a public fundedgang.
I don't care.
Speaker 4 (36:44):
But then why we're gonna do it, like I'm trying to
hold back.
Andrea (36:47):
It's a brotherhood, we have to stick together.
You can't say just that's whatgangs do, that's what gangs do.
Carmen Lezeth (36:56):
I'm mad because you you're putting a bad name on
gangs.
No, I'm just gonna say why areyou doing that?
I grew up in the hood, man.
Like there's you know what's soweird in actual gangs, you do
something wrong, your ass iskicked out of the gang after it
being actually kicked and beatenup, you know what I mean?
Andrea (37:15):
And yeah, self-policing.
Carmen Lezeth (37:19):
They're very self-policing.
This is a bad episode.
I'm gonna have to cut all thatout.
We're advocating for gangsagainst police officers.
I'm not, I've never thought ofit.
I've never, I will tell youthis, I've never thought of it
that way, Andrea.
Never.
Andrea (37:36):
Yeah, well, I have, and it's actually like maybe not the
entire departments, maybe, butthere are it's a known fact in
in this area, and many, youknow, uh like there are actual
gangs in LA Sheriff'sDepartment.
It's known.
(37:57):
We know this.
Carmen Lezeth (37:59):
I have tattoos, they have tattoos, and they like
you have to mean that LA andthat the LAPD are gang
affiliate.
It just means that maybe formergang members have decided to
become cops.
Andrea (38:13):
Uh that's not what I'm saying.
I'm that's not what I'm saying.
I'm saying function like agang.
Carmen Lezeth (38:19):
No, no, I know what you're saying.
I just want okay, so you're notokay, okay, okay.
So you're saying that thepolice officers in the LADPD
have a gang of their own andthey have tattoos of their own.
You're not talking about gangmembers.
Andrea (38:33):
Yeah, that's sheriff's department, uh, not LAPD, but
probably, but it's LA's.
Okay, yeah, yeah.
Carmen Lezeth (38:39):
I I don't want no gang members from Los Angeles
coming after my ass.
Andrea (38:44):
No, this is like I'm not afraid of the LAPD.
They have gangs that they havecreated within the department.
Carmen Lezeth (38:53):
I have heard that, but yeah.
Okay.
Yeah.
I will say this, just to give ita look.
I don't, I'm not gonna say Idon't hate all cops, but I look
it, I had a really bad situationthat happened recently where I
had a kind of sort of stalker.
We've talked about this, youknow, where I got a weird letter
at work.
(39:14):
Um somebody talking veryspecifically about my Honda.
I told you about this, right?
Did you not know about this?
No.
Yes, you do.
Are you serious?
I talked about it on the show.
Oh my god, how did I not tellyou?
Well, because we don't usuallytalk anymore.
See, we don't have the time.
Speaker 4 (39:33):
I know.
Carmen Lezeth (39:33):
Okay, so um about four or five months ago, I got
a letter at work, and the letterum was very specific about when
I come to work, when I leave.
It was there, it was a poemabout my Honda and the
goldenness of it, and it wasreally weird, but it was also
and it was creepy.
(39:53):
And in the letter, it said,This is not creepy, which is the
sign.
You're like, oh, okay, nevermind then.
I'm glad you said that.
And here's the thing theydidn't sign it, they didn't sign
their name, right?
Um, but they knew where Iparked, and so I parked on the
street, I parked in the parkinglot, but they knew all that, and
it was in this weird poem.
I'll send you a copy of it.
(40:14):
It was so freaky weird.
So I, being someone as a youngkid who was stalked when I was a
performer, it really brought upsome weird feelings, and I was
so confused by the whole thing.
Like, is this just charming?
Is this just what I'm I don'tknow I was trying to?
Am I overreacting?
But it didn't matter, it waskeeping me up at night, it was
(40:36):
freaking out.
And then I thought I had tagson my car.
I mean, I was right because youcould put yeah, like air tags.
I was freaking out.
So I actually went to the SantaMonica Police Department, which
is part of the LAPD, but it'sthe Santa Monica uh whatever.
And they were wonderful, theywere wonderful.
They were lovely and kind andhelpful and calmed me down and
(41:00):
showed me how to check for mycar.
And, you know, they also saidthey explained to me that
there's nothing illegal.
That like somebody could sendyou flowers, not illegal.
Somebody could, you know,they're like they know it's
uncomfortable for you, but it'snot they haven't done anything.
They haven't, there's nothingin here that says it's violent
or whatever, they're just anadmirer.
And one of the officers said,um, you know, back in the day,
(41:24):
this would have been thought ofas charming.
He's like, but in this day andage, with social media and with,
you know, they shouldn't havedone this, you know.
So they then reached out to theLAPD to make sure that because
where it happened was in adifferent area than where I
live.
And so, and I felt all of asudden very protected for I will
(41:46):
say for the first time in mylife when it comes to police
officers.
He gave me his card.
They were like, you know, don'ttry not to worry about it.
It's gonna be fine, blah, blah,blah.
And so I think about it in thatsense.
Like, I do want lawenforcement, but what I want is
good law enforcement.
I want good cops like thesecops who are trying to help the
(42:07):
public good, you know.
Um, and I want to believe thatmost cops are like that.
Unfortunately, I don't seethat.
Like, I my heart wants tobelieve it, but I don't see that
as evident all the time and allthe things we always hear
about, you know?
Andrea (42:24):
Yeah, well, and to your point, right?
It's uh it would be fantasticand amazing and and really
affirming to have these goodcops come out like en masse
against some of the, you know,really disgusting and horrific
and illegal things that uh theircolleagues are doing, but
(42:45):
they're uh either not allowed orvery strongly discouraged or
even threatened to not do that.
And that's what perpetuatesthis perception.
Carmen Lezeth (42:56):
And it would have been cleaned up so much quicker
if the first time somebody haddone something wrong on the
force, that all of them werelike, that was wrong, we don't
believe in that, and they wouldhave been dismissed out of the
force, and there you go.
We would be, you know, youwould learn the lesson.
But what ends up happening isyou learn you can get away with
whatever you want, and so peopledo whatever they want to do.
(43:20):
So yeah.
Well, that was an interestingconversation, my dear friend.
And I you know what?
I think it's okay.
I sometimes I'm afraid becausewe get so personal, but I think
it's all right.
Andrea (43:38):
Uh look, I'm just a you know, white lady spouting off
her shit.
Carmen Lezeth (43:45):
I thought you're gonna say I'm just a girl
looking for a boy.
Looking for a good cop.
Just looking for a good cop.
Yeah, good people ingovernment.
Yeah, just a brandful.
I'm just looking to, you knowwhat I'm looking forward to
someday, and I think this willhappen.
We will get back to a time, myprayer is that we can live our
(44:07):
lives and not have to heareverything about what's
happening in politics everysingle day.
Yeah, that would be ideal, yes.
So crossing our fingers.
Anyway, everyone, thank you somuch for um listening and
hanging out with us.
Please consider following us onYouTube and um on Substack.
We really appreciate you.
And remember, at the end of theday, it really is all about the
(44:29):
joy.
Thanks, everyone.
Bye.
Adios.
Thanks for stopping by, allabout the joy.
Be better and stay beautiful,folks.
Have a sweet day.
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