September 14, 2025 • 44 mins
What happens when life throws you a curveball and you find out who truly shows up? In this powerful episode, Maurio returns to All About the Joy after his 36th surgery, sharing raw insights on friendship, healing, and emotional boundaries.
From spinal stenosis to Paget’s disease, Maurio’s resilience shines through as he reflects on the people who stayed, the ones who faded, and the wisdom he’s gained along the way. “I’m on the back of the struggle bus with an expired MetroCard, but I’m okay,” he quips - setting the tone for a conversation that’s equal parts vulnerable and sharp.
Together, Carmen and Maurio unpack what it means to be a true friend: someone who pours into your cup, not empties it. They explore how to recognize when relationships have run their course, how to set boundaries without bitterness, and how to let go with dignity.
Whether you’re questioning a current friendship or grieving one that’s ended, this episode offers clarity, comfort, and a compassionate framework for understanding connection. Tune in for real talk, real healing, and the kind of emotional intelligence that lasts a lifetime.
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Host, Carmen Lezeth
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Carmen Lezeth (00:00):
Hey everyone, welcome to All About the Joy,
the private lounge.
I'm here with Mario.
How you doing, Mario?
Maurio Dawson (00:05):
I am doing okay, you're doing okay, I'm doing
okay.
I'm on the struggle as I tellmy friends.
I'm on the back of the strugglebus with an expired MetroCard,
but I'm okay.
Carmen Lezeth (00:19):
For those people who don't know, you just came
out of surgery.
Yeah, you're healing andgetting better.
Um, and I don't want topressure you to talk about it
too much, but we have missed youon the show and we're so glad
you're kind of sort of back well, yeah, I'm, I'm.
Maurio Dawson (00:37):
I got one toe in, one toe out, because I don't
know how I'm gonna feel fromweek to week.
But I have to have a spinalsurgery and I have what they
call stenosis and I also havesomething called Paget's disease
.
So you can look it up and youcan.
Carmen Lezeth (00:59):
Or you can just pray for Mario and his family.
But, I'm just glad that you'refeeling better and you're
looking so much better.
But I have to say, when I cameto visit you, your spirit, where
do you get that from?
I mean, I had hip surgery and Istill am talking about it four
years later Like I was miserable.
(01:20):
Well, miserable.
Maurio Dawson (01:30):
You know what I mean.
Like no, yeah, no point.
Well, it's just because I feellike I have had so many
surgeries in my life and this,literally, is the 36th surgery.
Carmen Lezeth (01:35):
So yeah, I had no idea yeah, this is like my
30s.
Maurio Dawson (01:41):
That was number 36, so I'm like it's just
another.
Like here we go now, when Ifound out about my diagnosis and
because it started withsomething called drop flight,
because, as you people know, alot of people know, I was on a
weight loss.
I've been on a weight losstrend for the last two years,
okay, you know, and over thelast two years I've lost, and
(02:01):
over the last two years I'velost approximately 143 pounds.
So over that process I wasworking out like four times a
week, three to four times a week, minimum three, top four.
I was never doing more thanfive, because that's just
obnoxious.
I was doing really good, I hadsteady pace and I had a tendency
(02:25):
to do the treadmill and I woulddo it like on an incline of
like a minimum of seven, eight,and then I'm doing like two and
a half miles an hour, three,something, just a good rhythm.
And all of a sudden I was doingmy regular regimen and my foot
(02:47):
started to flop, just reallylike, just like this wow like
you know, you have to staystraight.
Like this right, I almost had myfoot that's going like this,
and it's just going like thisand I couldn't figure out, like
what is going on.
And I was still pushing, pushingthrough.
And then I went to the jazzfestival my normal every year
(03:09):
thing I do and I startedtripping up the hill and my mom
was like dude, baby, are you OK?
Like what's going on?
I was like, mommy, I don't know, I'm like.
I still ignored it, Kept going,Then finally called the doctor
twice.
First doctor gave me some grandold excuse.
Second doctor's like um, what'dyou tell me?
(03:31):
There's a sign of mini strokes,Mini strokes.
I'm headed to the doctor.
Carmen Lezeth (03:36):
I'm like excuse me, I'm going to the ER.
Maurio Dawson (03:37):
So I go to the ER and then from the ER I end up
staying in the hospital 20 days,end up going through a myriad
of tests and then ended upgetting the diagnosis Fast
forward.
I had to have surgery on myback because the drop foot was a
(03:59):
signal of the stenosis I had inmy back, where stenosis is
basically where your spinal cordis open, like this, right and
all up and down, but then whenyou have stenosis it closes up,
like that oh, yeah, yeah, yeahno, so it's super tight, so it's
cutting off the signals fromthe brain to the leg right.
(04:20):
So those signals are not goingin.
So they have to open it up toget it to get it going.
And then from there, um, I hadfallen in between the time I was
scheduled for surgery tosurgery and I had a fractured
vertebrae.
Didn't know when they went into do my surgery.
I don't think I told you thatpart, no you didn't.
(04:41):
Oh my goodness so when I readthe report, my nurse, who comes
to check on me, read my report.
She said Mr Dawson, you had afracture of vertebrae that was
removed too.
I was like what.
She's like yeah, she said theyhad to remove a fracture of
vertebrae from, you know, duringthe surgery.
So that's why my incision is alot larger into surgery.
(05:04):
So that's why my incision is alot larger.
And so, but yeah, long storyshort, I have gone through so
many surgeries.
I just keep a positive attitudebecause it's no use crying
about it.
What's the use of crying aboutit?
Carmen Lezeth (05:20):
I totally get that.
I think I was more surprised,not just by your spirit, because
I've known you for a long time.
I know we had a time periodwhere we didn't speak, not for
any other reason than we justlost touch.
But it was interesting,especially when I came to visit
you, that we started talkingabout friendships.
(05:40):
And that's kind of what we weregoing to gonna talk about,
because I was a little bitthrown I don't know if thrown's
the right word but I'm like,okay, but we're in touch and
you're in the hospital and I'mdown the street not from the
hospital, but I'm like you know,I'm like I can come visit you,
you know, and you were kind oflike, no, but you don't know,
(06:03):
people say that all the time,and so we started having this
kind of I started thinking a lotabout your friendships, our
friendship.
I wanted to see what to startoff with, kind of what the
definition of friendship is toyou, even in a broad sense.
Maurio Dawson (06:18):
Okay, my sense of friendship is.
It varies because I alsobecause it was just interesting,
because I knew I was havingthis conversation today.
Um, I asked my mom.
I said mom, what do you see asfriendship?
And she's like friendship arethose people that you can depend
(06:38):
on, whether, she said, whetherit's five minutes, five years or
five decades.
She said because those peopleare going to show up for you If
you pick up the phone and say Ineed you.
She says you don't have to seethese people every day.
You don't have to talk to thesepeople every day.
She said, but your friends arealso someone who pours into your
(06:58):
cup and doesn't empty your cup.
She's like now, if you'repouring into them.
She's like if you're pouringinto them and you're emptying
your cup and they're neverpouring back into you to fill
you back up, that's not a friend, she said, that's an
acquaintance.
(07:19):
She's like that's someone whoyou know.
You understand what I'm sayingand during this whole process of
this particular healing cycleof my life, I got to see who my
friends are and be reminded ofwho my friends are, because I've
had people in my life duringdifferent seasons of healing.
(07:39):
But those people who show upwith me or for me during those
different seasons of healing,I've been consistent, um.
But then there are some people,like you, who I lost touch with
or come back into my life.
There are some more friends whohave come back into my life,
like you, right, but guess what?
(08:00):
They showed up, like theycalled.
They said hey, friend, I mightnot be able to make it to the
hospital, but I'm leaving town,but I want to make sure.
Are you okay?
How can I support you?
There's one of my dear friendswho I've known since sixth grade
(08:20):
and he is going through his ownhealth challenges, and but you
know what he did.
He said hey, brother, I want tosee you before you go into
surgery.
I might not be able to get toyou, but let's go have lunch,
let's fellowship, because I wantto see you, I want to love on.
He said I want to love on youbefore and it was just he and I
(08:45):
and he loved on me real hard andhe supported me and he's like I
got you, we got this, and he'ssitting there struggling with
his own things.
I'm seeing him struggle, likehis light is fading, but he's
still worried about me, right?
But in the meantime, I'mworried about him, right.
So, I'm like brother, I'mworried about him.
(09:05):
So I'm like brother, I'm goingto pull back into you because
let's get you out of here, let'sget you home, let's get you
rested and we'll talk later.
I'll see you when I wake up,and that's how I always tell my
friends I'll see you when I wakeup, right.
Carmen Lezeth (09:26):
I think something that you said earlier
about what your mom said is youknow what?
It's weird.
I didn't think about this, butso, for people who don't know,
we knew each other back in theday when I worked at brand new
school and I was the controllerof the company there and you
were.
I don't know what your titlewas, but you were our principal.
Maurio Dawson (09:42):
Yeah, I was, uh, no, I was never a vice president
, I was a system.
Carmen Lezeth (09:48):
I was a system personal banker well, you were
our principal person and whoeverour initial con, they never
helped us at all.
So you were our person and youtook care of everything we
needed done at brand new schooland that's how we developed our
friendship.
And then, somewhere along theway, especially when I quit
brand new school, which was inlike 2007 or 2008, we just kind
(10:13):
of lost touch.
Now the irony is is we livedown the street from each other,
not literally the next townover.
Maurio Dawson (10:19):
My daughter was going to school right around the
corner from your house.
Carmen Lezeth (10:24):
So it just happens.
But something you said, thatyour mother said, it's true.
If I needed something and Icalled you, I know you would
have been there over all theseyears and I think you feel the
same way, like if you would havebeen weird and out of the blue.
But then it would not have been, because you know what?
I forget how we started thisagain, that you started coming
on the show or something.
Maurio Dawson (10:45):
But no, you reached out to me.
We had already reconnected.
Carmen Lezeth (10:50):
We were already on Facebook.
We were already on social mediaand we were already
chit-chatting or whatever.
Maurio Dawson (10:56):
And then you said hey, Mario, why don't you pop
on?
And I did, and then we did thefirst private lounge where we
talked about my kidneytransplant.
That's right, all that stuff.
And then you know we still keptin contact sidebars and on the
show.
Carmen Lezeth (11:12):
Right.
Maurio Dawson (11:13):
It just redeveloped and rekindled and we
picked up where we left off.
I'm going to disagree with you.
Carmen Lezeth (11:20):
I don't know if I like the word rekindled, but I
don't think it had to redevelop.
That's what I think.
That's what I think is the kindof definition.
Part of friendship for me aswell is it's like we never had
all that time gone, no, between,like I don't know, like yes,
we're learning more about eachother and we're becoming a
(11:43):
different kind of friendship now, which is so cool, especially
because Alma's involved yourwife and your daughter's now
involved as well, marissa, andso it's kind of now growing in a
way that it hadn't because wehad that stagnation, right?
I think the true definition offriendship is exactly what you
said, and time.
(12:04):
Time is not as much of a bigfactor when it's a honest
friendship.
Does that make any sense?
Maurio Dawson (12:13):
it makes perfect sense.
As long as something is sincereand you're coming from sincere
place, no time, it doesn'tmatter how much time has passed,
because there are people in mylife, even relatives, who I see
like as friends, who come backinto my life and it's like no
time is left.
So you just pick it right backup.
The laughter continues, thelaughter just.
(12:36):
It's like we just rev eachother.
It's just, it's family, it'sfun, it's love.
And when love knows no time,love no.
Love knows no boundaries, loveknows it just.
It is okay.
Carmen Lezeth (12:52):
But let's talk about when friendships bobby.
Because?
Well, because one of the thingsI I will read for people.
Maurio Dawson (13:01):
I will read you down without even talking about
your name.
Carmen Lezeth (13:04):
Let me tell people who are listening like
the thing that I find I guessit's not shocking, but I always
like have to mind my P's and Q'sbecause I'm like, was it me?
Was it me Because when you'reupset with a friend or you're
not happy you will lay that shitout on social media, but you
(13:27):
won't name them.
Maurio Dawson (13:28):
I'll never name names.
And so because the thing is,you know, I have to find an
outlet because my wife, blessher heart, she gets sick of me
talking, so then I don't talk toher about it, so she's like
enough already.
Okay, I heard you.
So, like you know, I don't havevery much outlet, but social
(13:52):
media is a great outlet to getsome shit out without, without
having to name names, and I'mnot, and it's very rarely.
It's very rare that I'm likepissed off with multiple people.
A lot of times I'm pissed offat my father.
And he's not on social media, soit really doesn't matter.
It doesn't matter, I can just.
Right, yeah, his family's onsocial media, so you know they
(14:17):
can't clock it if you want to,but it's very.
Carmen Lezeth (14:23):
But that serves as an outlet for you, but
Completely.
But I, but it's very serves asan outlet for you, but
completely.
But have you already spoken tothose people like when?
When does it get to that pointwhere a friendship bothers you
so much?
Okay, you know what I'm gonnasay.
Like this if you get mad at meabout something, are you gonna
come talk to me or am I gonnafind out about it on?
No, no, no, no, I'm gonnaalways talk to you first am I
going to find out about it on?
Maurio Dawson (14:42):
No, no, no, no, no.
I'm going to always talk to youfirst and I'm going to try to
have a conversation with youfirst.
But if you're not receiving theconversation or if you're not
taking any accountability,that's when shit goes left,
because I believe in takingaccountability.
For my part, as hard as it is,if somebody calls me on my stuff
(15:04):
or calls me on my shit, I gotto sit there and say you know
what?
You are totally right.
I dropped the ball.
Please accept my apology.
I promise I won't do this again.
Let me work on this.
Let me show you that I can do X, y and Z.
Carmen Lezeth (15:21):
Or maybe you just made a mistake.
It doesn't always have to bethat deep.
Maurio Dawson (15:30):
But for me it's usually that deep, because
normally in my friendships I tryto be pretty present.
I'm that friend, I'm checkingin.
Hey friend, you okay, do youneed anything?
How can I help you?
Or my go-to line, especiallywhen my friends are in need.
How can I help you?
What can I do to make it easierfor you?
I can't rescue you, but I canhelp you in some way.
(15:53):
What can I do?
Right?
They say well, can you come sitwith me?
Absolutely, I'm on my way.
I can sit with you, I canlisten to you, I can hold your
hand.
I can cook a meal.
I can listen to you, I can holdyour hand.
You know I can cook a mealbecause I'm a good cook.
You hungry?
Let me see.
Carmen Lezeth (16:11):
Let me write that down.
I did not realize that was anoption.
Maurio Dawson (16:14):
I'll feed you.
I can feed you because Ibelieve in your food is not only
your belly but your spirit.
I'll feed you.
You know what I'm saying andI've done that.
But what I will not tolerate ina friendship is misuse.
(16:37):
I'm trying not to put thisperson out there, but right now
I'm upset with someone becauseall of my friends have checked
on me in this instance.
But when I poured into thisperson and I emptied my cup on
this person and you can't evenpick up the phone to say are you
(16:59):
okay?
Carmen Lezeth (16:59):
How was your surgery?
Do they?
Maurio Dawson (17:02):
know you?
No, no, no, no, no, no, you cananswer, you can answer answer
they absolutely knew what thissituation was.
And so I asked a mutual friend.
I was like, hey are so-and-soand I beefing and and I didn't
know.
That's the other question,because sometimes people are
(17:22):
upset with you.
They have no clue, but they'lltell somebody else, oh my,
you'll piss me off because I See, that's the other question,
because sometimes people areupset with you and they don't
tell you Right, they have noclue, but they'll tell somebody
else.
Oh, mario, pissed me off,because my tongue is very sharp
and sometimes I can come off alittle.
Carmen Lezeth (17:35):
I don't know what you're talking about,
because I'm so the opposite.
Yeah, no, I hear you.
I hear you.
Maurio Dawson (17:43):
So you know, and sometimes I have a tendency to
to cut people real short, andI'm not intending to be
malicious, but I just I'm veryhonest.
You know, and people know thattoo.
My friends know me to be thatway and tell fault, so sometimes
I'm like I may have saidsomething.
Carmen Lezeth (18:03):
Then I did and I didn't really mean to hurt your
feelings so this person stillhasn't reached out to you and
there's no beef you're aware of.
Maurio Dawson (18:12):
No.
And then I saw that persontoday on TikTok so I told him
today.
I said so I guess we're notfriends, right?
Carmen Lezeth (18:22):
Oh serious, I said that.
Maurio Dawson (18:24):
so I said we're not friends, right?
And so the person responded no,we're not friends, right?
Oh seriously, I said that.
So I said we're not friends,right?
And so the person responded no,we're absolutely friends.
So that was your cue to to saywell, what would you ask me that
?
Carmen Lezeth (18:40):
Yeah, what is that about?
Maurio Dawson (18:42):
That's weird.
And then they didn't respond toanything else.
So I was like, okay, cool, butI'm not trying to play games.
Carmen Lezeth (18:50):
Wait, wait, wait , wait.
So cool like you're done.
That's it for you.
Maurio Dawson (18:54):
No, no, I just know where to put you, like
after having that conversationwith my mom.
I'm not going to put you likeafter having that conversation
with my mom.
I'm not going to cut you off,but what I am going to do is put
you in the category where youdeserve to be.
Carmen Lezeth (19:04):
So you're now, you we're not friends, but you
say we're friends, but no, we'rereally kind of associates and
we are going on that, becausethat's one of my questions,
right is, when there's a valueshift in your relationships,
does that make it easier to cutoff people?
And I'll give you a greatexample.
(19:24):
Sure, this whole and this isnot to make this political, this
is to give you an example.
But people who are stillsupporting Trump, I'm out.
Maurio Dawson (19:33):
I'm out.
Carmen Lezeth (19:35):
I just can't even fathom it anymore.
It's a value shift.
I've had other value shiftsthat have been interesting.
Like someone talking about youknow black women, this black
women, that and I'm like, oh,I'm so sorry, who do you think
(19:56):
you're talking to?
Number one and number two backthe fuck up.
You know what I mean.
like sue because your last nameis suarez but no, no, this is a
person who who was trying toblame black women for why kamala
harris didn't win because itwas only 92.
They were trying to make astupid point.
Well, it was only 92 percentwomen, black women, and only 76.
(20:20):
Why didn't they all come outlike for Obama?
I was like, yeah, so you cansee.
I was like you know what You're, you're cut off, you're done,
we're out.
We're not having thisconversation.
That's not what is happeninghere, but I don't want to go off
on that tangent.
I want to ask you when valueshifts happen, what does that do
for you and your relationships?
Maurio Dawson (20:42):
Can they?
Carmen Lezeth (20:42):
sustain it.
Maurio Dawson (20:46):
I have a tendency to slowly back away.
I have a tendency to I'm notgoing to cut you off at the
knees because I'm going to easeaway.
So next thing, you know you'renot hearing from me.
Next thing, you know it's beena couple of weeks.
(21:06):
Next thing, you know it's beena couple of months and if I
haven't, and then after aboutsix months and you haven't
talked to me and I've blockedyou on social media.
I think you got it.
Carmen Lezeth (21:18):
So that's where you and I, obviously, I tell you
, I'm going to tell you.
Maurio Dawson (21:21):
No, because you know what I can see the thing
for me.
I can be confrontational, butit's exhausting.
Therefore I'm like I don't needall that.
But then there have beenfriendships where both parties
have decided to say you knowwhat?
I don't think we're friends.
(21:42):
I think we need to just be donewith each other.
I wish you well.
I you know I don't wish you noill.
May god bless you on yourjourney in this life and the
next.
And no harm, no foul, and I canbe done.
I can be done like that too.
I've had friendships be donelike that.
Carmen Lezeth (22:01):
I think there were friendships that I you know
just recently.
I have an ex friend that Ithought about him the other day
because it was his birthday andnormally I would have sent him a
text or whatever.
And he got me so angry and it'skind of one of those that I I
mean I hung up on.
I hung up the phone on him, Itold him we no longer friends.
We were never friends.
(22:21):
Like I had one of those fightswith him.
And you know, to me it mattersLike if, if I gave you a copy of
my book when it first came out,gave hand, wrote you a note and
handed it to you and I know youare a voracious reader because
every time I talk to you, youtalk about the latest thing you
(22:42):
read and we're like what?
I wrote my book in 2018, so Igave it to probably 2019.
And we in 2020 look at, I hadto look at the calendar to make
sure, okay and we in 2025.
Well, the breakup of ourfriendship ended in 2024.
You've never been supportive ofme.
Maurio Dawson (23:02):
So that means you didn't have the value to him.
Carmen Lezeth (23:05):
Yeah, yeah.
Maurio Dawson (23:09):
So is your anger because he didn't have the value
or because you invested thetime.
So are you more angry at him.
So then I think sometimes that'swhere our anger is displaced
and I think we get pissed offwith ourselves, and I think
that's where our anger reallygets going, because I'm like,
why the fuck did I spend so muchtime investing in this person?
(23:31):
And then that's where you getpissed off, and then we kind of
recycle that stuff in our headsand then that's for us to get
out of, because that means we'regiving that person too much
power.
We've empowered them, believeit or not.
So when we stop caring and wedon't value, we stop giving that
(23:53):
value, then we deflate thepower that we've given that
person and we've also givenourselves room for peace and for
other things.
Carmen Lezeth (24:04):
And for other people to come in.
I mean, I think that's thebeauty of cutting people out of
your life.
And then you're absolutelyright, I was more upset that I
had wasted, because this personyou know, I helped them learn it
doesn't even matter.
Yes, I gave much more because Ibelieve in reciprocity.
How do you say reciprocity?
yes, I can't say that wordbecause of my stutter, but yes I
(24:25):
believe in that and you I meanyou're kind of calling it the
same thing when you're sayingpouring into each other,
whatever, and look, and I don'tbelieve there's a time period
it's not like, okay, well, Igave you an hour of time, mario,
you need to give me?
No, it's like sometimes we needmore, sometimes we don't need
anything and sometimes nobodyneeds nothing and we're just
chilling, you know what I mean,like there is no equation and
(24:48):
the way.
I see it is is at some pointwhen I'm asking you.
I'm now basically asking you,as my friend, to help me with
this and your answer isn't,carmen.
I cannot, I'm unable to, or Iwish I could, or I support you,
but I can't.
It's just complete ignoranceand silence.
(25:09):
You're not a friend no, there'sno value and you're right, I
was mad at myself, but I alsohad to knock him out.
I don't mean, I mean knock himout of my life in order to just
be settled.
But that's why this came up toois because I was like I really
want to talk about this in depthwith somebody who understands
(25:29):
friendship so much A hundredpercent.
So have you ever ended afriendship that still haunts you
today?
Maurio Dawson (25:40):
Hmm, no, only because when I'm done, or when
I've done everything that I can,then it's I've come.
I'm old enough to know.
Now a younger Mario Probablywould have said oh yeah, I wish
(26:02):
this, but no, I'm old enough toknow that when something has run
its course, it's run its course.
Oh man, the oil has run out theengine, it is burnt to the
ground, it is done, and I'mgoing to walk away and keep on
trucking and I'm gonna leavethat little empty, burnt up
(26:24):
engine on the curb where it's atyou know what?
Carmen Lezeth (26:28):
I thought you were gonna say something else,
but you just you just helpedheal me a little bit.
I had a friend named todd who Iwent to college with.
Long story short, we both cameout here, not together, but
eventually I helped him find anapartment out here, like we.
We were connected and we had ahuge fight when he borrowed my
car.
It doesn't matter what thefight was about.
(26:48):
He took my car and he needed itto go to San Diego or wherever
he was going.
I said, take my car no big deal, cause I don't care, material
things don't matter to me.
But he took my car.
It got into some situation andhe didn't handle it well and got
into a big fight on the phone.
He came back and he like leftmy cars.
(27:08):
He parked it but he left mykeys like on the door, didn't
even wait to have a conversationabout it, didn't whatever.
And um, and we never talkedagain, like he wouldn't answer
my phone calls and he wouldn'ttake my calls.
He was upset that I yelled athim on the phone about what he
did to the car, to get it fixedor whatever.
And I still don't think I wasout of line.
(27:30):
But I will say this I found outrecently that he died a couple
of years ago.
I know, I know that's why I wasasking the question.
I know I know that's why I wasasking the question, like I feel
(28:02):
bad to go there, but the pointis a part of me was feeling very
, uh, regretful of thatfriendship that I didn't resolve
it.
You know, I mean, but you justsaid something is you know?
Look, I mean, basically this iswhat I took from what you just
said.
You could tell me from wrong,but like you did the best you
could and you had to leave thatin the background and yeah.
Maurio Dawson (28:23):
But okay, I'll give you a better example of why
I'm I'm good on people.
I was in a long-termrelationship before, way before
my wife and my wife knows thestory.
She gets annoyed when I say it.
But whatever it is what it is,it's okay.
I was in a relationship withsomeone.
(28:45):
The relationship had ended, butshe ended up dating one of my
best friends.
Oh Okay, they end up going offinto the sunset, but I have
always had the sneakingsuspicion that they were
cheating, they were creepingwhile we were together.
(29:06):
Oh, Now that might not be thecase.
There was somemisunderstandings along the way.
You know there was all of thesethings and you know there was
all of these things, but when?
Carmen Lezeth (29:26):
we broke up.
She proceeded to call my houseasking for him because he was
staying with me at the time,which I thought was very
disrespectful, verydisrespectful.
Maurio Dawson (29:33):
So I had to let her know hey, you can't call
this MF house no more.
So I told him.
I said look, if she's callingyou, you need to have that
conversation somewhere else, youcan't have this conversation of
mine Rude from both of them.
Both of them so he left, hemoved out, great Cool.
Then he brings back her stuffto me, right.
(29:57):
And so then from there it goesinto.
You know, I find out fastforward.
They're dating Fast forward.
They get married Fast forward.
They have children Fast forward.
He's dead now, and when mymutual friend called to tell me
(30:21):
that he had passed, I didn'tfeel anything and I was like wow
.
And so when I didn't feelanything that kind of let me
know, I was kind of over both ofthem and I was like, you know,
I don't wish and here's thething, I don't wish anyone death
(30:41):
, because I've had a hard life,I've had a very, very hard life.
So I don't wish people death,but I do believe in karma and I
do believe in how you get themis how you lose them, and I do
believe in you know what I'msaying.
(31:01):
I get it, I totally get it butI was like, wow, that's some
hard karma for yourself, becausenow you're miserable again
because that person made memiserable at the end.
Your misery doesn't always comeright away.
The misery can come later on,but that's another friendship I
(31:24):
don't regret losing.
Carmen Lezeth (31:26):
Right.
Maurio Dawson (31:27):
I was hurt in the beginning.
Carmen Lezeth (31:30):
Right, right right.
Maurio Dawson (31:31):
About it.
But the thing is I realized itwas never my friend.
And then there were signs thatthis person wasn't my friend
before he started dating my ex.
Before that there was a timewhere we had gone to Catalina
Island, for example, and it wasa group of us that went.
We were young, we had spent NewYear's Eve over there.
(31:53):
Note to self.
Carmen Lezeth (31:56):
Yeah, don't.
Maurio Dawson (31:57):
Catalina Island is boring, right, exactly, it is
dead.
I mean everyone should comeCatalina.
Carmen Lezeth (31:59):
Island is boring Right exactly.
Maurio Dawson (32:00):
Like it is dead.
Carmen Lezeth (32:01):
I mean, everyone should come to California and
visit there if you need to.
Maurio Dawson (32:04):
but no, but don't go for New Year's Eve.
I thought they were going to bejumping.
It was the.
No, it was like Catalina Island, wow, anyway.
Carmen Lezeth (32:15):
That's what you regret now Regret.
Maurio Dawson (32:20):
One regret.
So anyway, we come back andwe're all broke and short of
money.
But he left me and my friendRebecca there.
But he took him and his friendsback home.
He called his mom.
His mom came and got them andhe said oh, I don't have enough
money for y'all, so I'll seey'all later, and left me
(32:45):
stranded in Long Beach.
Carmen Lezeth (32:48):
So that was him.
Maurio Dawson (32:49):
That was him.
Same person, same person.
Carmen Lezeth (32:52):
So you kind of mad at yourself.
That was why you were bringingthat up, like when we're mad at
ourselves for wasting time.
Maurio Dawson (32:58):
Yeah for wasting the time and see, and that was
one of those.
That's one of those instanceswhere you didn't see the sign
right the first time, and thenyou came back around to me and
asked me for another favor and Iand I let you back in.
So that's one of those thingslike you like, where you beat
yourself up and you get mad atyourself, but then I'm resolved
(33:21):
because I got to believe numberone.
Two I have the best friends whoshow me what true friendship is
.
That's right Three.
I have an amazing wife wholoves me deep, and you know how
deep Alma loves me.
Carmen Lezeth (33:41):
Yes, she does.
Maurio Dawson (33:42):
So those are the lessons I got from that.
So you know what, for thoselessons, I say thank you.
Carmen Lezeth (33:49):
That's right.
Maurio Dawson (33:50):
You understand what I'm saying.
As long as you get the lessonfrom what and I just had this
conversation with Amayla, myniece I said as long as you get
the lessons from the stuff thatyou did wrong or the lessons
from someone doing you wrong andyou don't repeat it, then
you're learning, you're growing.
Carmen Lezeth (34:10):
You still win, you still win.
Maurio Dawson (34:12):
Yeah.
Carmen Lezeth (34:13):
So do you think some friendships are supposed to
be seasonal?
Maurio Dawson (34:18):
Mm-hmm.
Carmen Lezeth (34:19):
Or lifelong, or is every friendship supposed to
be a lifelong relationship?
Maurio Dawson (34:26):
No, no.
And that goes back to thatsaying is are some some, some
friendships are for a season, areason or a lack of yeah, oh, I
like the reason one.
Carmen Lezeth (34:38):
Wait, that's a good one.
Why did I miss that now?
I always think this is talaperry, and I think you were the
one who's like that's not talaperry that's not tala peri.
Maurio Dawson (34:47):
He just gave a different analogy of the root
okay, you know, if some peopleare the roots, some people are
the leaves and some people arethe branches, okay, poor tala
peri, okay, wait.
Carmen Lezeth (35:04):
so friendships for a reason I like that.
Maurio Dawson (35:08):
Why is friendship ?
Carmen Lezeth (35:10):
for a reason.
Maurio Dawson (35:11):
Yeah, some people come into your life for a
reason, a season or a lifetime.
Some people are just angelsthat come into your life just
for a short season, just for areason to help you learn
something, and then you move on.
And they move on and theytranslate, they do something.
Carmen Lezeth (35:28):
So maybe that could be the Todd thing.
Maurio Dawson (35:31):
Yeah, yeah.
Carmen Lezeth (35:33):
I don't know if he taught me anything, though I
don't know.
But there and there he would bea season.
Maurio Dawson (35:41):
He would be a season and like there was a.
There was some friends who werein my life in high school that
came back into my life later onand their time they served their
purpose and they were just aseason.
They just were supposed to bein my life for a season and we
were no longer friends.
But they were great friends forthat time period and for that
(36:03):
season, right.
But then there are my peoplewho are lifetimers, like Sheila
Brunson is a lifetimer, coreyJames, christopher Anderson.
You know, these are people whoare lifetimers, like we've been
friends for 40-plus years.
And Christopher is another.
(36:23):
This is the friend I told youwho came to see me, who was not
doing well.
It was a long time where welost.
We lost touch, we completelylost touch, but I was always
asking for him through otherfriends.
So then when we reconnected, itwas like no time had passed, no
time had passed.
Carmen Lezeth (36:40):
Yeah, those are the good ones, those are the
family people.
Those to me are family and it'ssimply because somebody the
other day was asking me somequestion, whatever, and I said
well, my brother from anothermother, da-da-da-da, and they
were like is he related to you?
I'm like he's family, they'relike but is he?
Maurio Dawson (36:57):
Because they were so stuck In my blood.
Carmen Lezeth (36:58):
No, they were like missing.
They were missing the actualthing we were talking about
because they got stuck on this.
Well, what makes somebody yourbrother from another mother?
I'm like somebody who's beenwith you through thick and thin,
somebody who is gracious andkind, and the thing I love about
Billy.
I'm just going to say thisbecause a lot of people who
listen to the show know whoBilly is, but he's never been on
(37:20):
the show.
He will never want to be on theshow.
But I knew Billy when I was incolor guard and drum corps and
and he basically was somebody Icompeted against and had no
business competing against atall, because he was so much
better than I could ever be.
There's no even doubt about it.
Maurio Dawson (37:38):
But anyway, then he became one of my instructors
well, he did come on the showonce a long time.
Carmen Lezeth (37:42):
No, no no, no, that's, that's tommy lee billy
would okay, on the show?
No, no, I don't think Billy'sbeen.
No, billy might've been on thephone, maybe once, but he he
hasn't been on the show.
But I think the thing that Ilove about Billy is there's no
airs, there's you can, I can,just I can cry with him for real
(38:04):
real, and he's not going tojudge me.
We can fight or argue aboutpolitics, we can have great
conversations about other things, we visit each other, but I
don't talk to him every day.
You know what I mean.
And one time I made the mistakeof telling him.
I said man, it's been likethree weeks we haven't talked
and I really needed to talk toyou.
(38:25):
And he was like, oh okay, I'msorry.
Like every week after that hewas texting me.
You okay, I'm like, all right,back it up.
Maurio Dawson (38:35):
He's like okay.
Carmen Lezeth (38:37):
But the reason why I feel like that becomes a
family thing is because I knowthat when I was at my lowest
point I didn't even have to ask.
He knew, and that's thatinstinctual feeling of someone
who knows you so well and says Igot you, what do you need?
(38:58):
That to me is like okay, yeah,I love him so much, I love that
so much.
Because there are very fewpeople who get me like that and
most people think of me as somestrong, powerful woman who needs
nobody, which you know.
That's bullshit, but peopledon't know that people will keep
(39:20):
taking from you or asking youfor stuff because they think you
have more than you actually do.
So when somebody gets it, thatto me is that's deep love for me
.
Maurio Dawson (39:31):
Yeah, I love billy but I think that, um
believe it or not, I think rickis a good friend.
I think who are we?
Talking about rick costa yeah,I love it, are you?
Carmen Lezeth (39:47):
talking about a good friend of me.
Yeah, no, no, rick is a goodfriend.
Rick is interesting because wereally, especially at the
beginning I don't know about now, but at the beginning, when I
asked him to be the co-host, youknow, I asked him about the
show.
Whatever I said.
Well, we got to have someconversations, because we do not
align on things.
Maurio Dawson (40:07):
Right.
Carmen Lezeth (40:08):
And the thing that made Rick amazing is not
only was he able to takeeverything I had to say to him
and ask about or whatever, andanswer honestly and truthfully.
And you know and I'm not sayingI'm trying, you don't have to
change your mind or be different.
You need to be able to explainto me so that I at least
logically understand, so that wecan have some type of alignment
(40:30):
.
Rick's a good guy.
Maurio Dawson (40:31):
Rick's a really good guy.
He's a really good guy and Ireally.
You don't have to put this inthe show, but I.
Carmen Lezeth (40:37):
It's going to be in the show because you brought
it up.
Maurio Dawson (40:40):
But I think that, even though politics and
religion are you guys seecompletely differently, politics
and religion are you guys seecompletely differently, but
that's the fact that you canagree on so much more than that,
I think that's what makes agood friend let me just say this
about the politics practice.
Carmen Lezeth (40:59):
I think it's important.
I think it's important thereason why rick and I are not
that different on politics,actually, okay, I'm.
Maurio Dawson (41:06):
And.
Carmen Lezeth (41:07):
I'm going to even say this A lot of people
and this is so interestingbecause Andrea and I are going
to talk about this in our nextepisode on culture and
consequence Most people thinkthey're Republicans, but they're
really not Like that's no,they're not, and so I think
that's kind of the thing is theconversations I had with Rick
were about deep issues.
They that's kind of the thingis the conversations I had with
(41:29):
Rick were about deep issues.
They're about abortion, about,like I had to have these because
I had to be like, let's just behonest, I need to know where
you're coming from and why.
But that's because we did havea good friendship and we've
built on that.
That.
I felt comfortable to have thatconversation with him and he
felt comfortable to tell mebasically, the F off.
No, he didn't.
He was like yeah, carmen,whatever, no, but yeah, the
(41:53):
friendship is based on a mutualrespect, and that's a whole
different.
Maurio Dawson (41:58):
I think that's the foundation of any friendship
.
Carmen Lezeth (42:01):
It's true.
Maurio Dawson (42:02):
It's just having mutual respect.
Carmen Lezeth (42:04):
The students' acquaintances and respect.
Maurio Dawson (42:08):
Mmm.
The difference betweenacquaintances and respect the
difference between acquaintancesand respect.
Acquaintances come in and outwhen they need something from
you, whereas a friend will bethere when you need it, no
matter what?
Carmen Lezeth (42:21):
No matter what.
Maurio Dawson (42:23):
And right now I'm feeling a little used by one
person, but I'm not going to putit out there on social media
this time.
You just put it on the podcast.
Carmen Lezeth (42:36):
Oh my god, that was so good.
You have any last words besidesdissing this person?
Maurio Dawson (42:43):
I'm not dissing them, no, no, no, no, no.
When I say about friendship, itshows up in the best way that
you can.
It's not perfection.
Nobody's asking for perfection,nobody's asking you to be the
best version of yourself.
But just be authentic and betrue to yourself and then true
(43:08):
to that other person, because,um, it's never gonna be 50 50.
Any relationship is never gonnabe 50 that's right but as long
as you know what you're signingup for, when you walk in the
door or when you say I love thisperson or you, I'm down for you
, I'm a ride for you, then ridefor them, and that's what I do.
(43:32):
And I do that for any of myfriends, all my friends.
Carmen Lezeth (43:35):
I love you Mario .
Maurio Dawson (43:37):
I love you, I love you, I love you deep, I
love you so deep, I love youdeep too.
Carmen Lezeth (43:43):
Thank you for doing this.
I appreciate you so much fordoing this.
Do it again, and I'm so gladyou're feeling better.
So today, today, today.
Thank you so much.
Everyone remember we are alwayshere on Friday nights at 6.
Pm Pacific, 9.
Pm Eastern, eastern, eastern,for our Friday night lives.
(44:08):
I know right, and check out ournew show, culture and
Consequence, which lands onThursday nights.
And yeah, remember, at the endof the day it really is all
about the joy.
Thank you everyone.
Maurio Dawson (44:18):
Bye guys.
Carmen Lezeth (44:20):
Bye.
Maurio Dawson (44:21):
Bye.
Carmen Lezeth (44:23):
Thanks for stopping by.
All About the Joy Be better andstay beautiful.
Folks have a sweet day.
Hey everyone, welcome to All About the Joy,
the private lounge.
I'm here with Mario.
How you doing, Mario?
Maurio Dawson (00:05):
I am doing okay, you're doing okay, I'm doing
okay.
I'm on the struggle as I tellmy friends.
I'm on the back of the strugglebus with an expired MetroCard,
but I'm okay.
Carmen Lezeth (00:19):
For those people who don't know, you just came
out of surgery.
Yeah, you're healing andgetting better.
Um, and I don't want topressure you to talk about it
too much, but we have missed youon the show and we're so glad
you're kind of sort of back well, yeah, I'm, I'm.
Maurio Dawson (00:37):
I got one toe in, one toe out, because I don't
know how I'm gonna feel fromweek to week.
But I have to have a spinalsurgery and I have what they
call stenosis and I also havesomething called Paget's disease
.
So you can look it up and youcan.
Carmen Lezeth (00:59):
Or you can just pray for Mario and his family.
But, I'm just glad that you'refeeling better and you're
looking so much better.
But I have to say, when I cameto visit you, your spirit, where
do you get that from?
I mean, I had hip surgery and Istill am talking about it four
years later Like I was miserable.
(01:20):
Well, miserable.
Maurio Dawson (01:30):
You know what I mean.
Like no, yeah, no point.
Well, it's just because I feellike I have had so many
surgeries in my life and this,literally, is the 36th surgery.
Carmen Lezeth (01:35):
So yeah, I had no idea yeah, this is like my
30s.
Maurio Dawson (01:41):
That was number 36, so I'm like it's just
another.
Like here we go now, when Ifound out about my diagnosis and
because it started withsomething called drop flight,
because, as you people know, alot of people know, I was on a
weight loss.
I've been on a weight losstrend for the last two years,
okay, you know, and over thelast two years I've lost, and
(02:01):
over the last two years I'velost approximately 143 pounds.
So over that process I wasworking out like four times a
week, three to four times a week, minimum three, top four.
I was never doing more thanfive, because that's just
obnoxious.
I was doing really good, I hadsteady pace and I had a tendency
(02:25):
to do the treadmill and I woulddo it like on an incline of
like a minimum of seven, eight,and then I'm doing like two and
a half miles an hour, three,something, just a good rhythm.
And all of a sudden I was doingmy regular regimen and my foot
(02:47):
started to flop, just reallylike, just like this wow like
you know, you have to staystraight.
Like this right, I almost had myfoot that's going like this,
and it's just going like thisand I couldn't figure out, like
what is going on.
And I was still pushing, pushingthrough.
And then I went to the jazzfestival my normal every year
(03:09):
thing I do and I startedtripping up the hill and my mom
was like dude, baby, are you OK?
Like what's going on?
I was like, mommy, I don't know, I'm like.
I still ignored it, Kept going,Then finally called the doctor
twice.
First doctor gave me some grandold excuse.
Second doctor's like um, what'dyou tell me?
(03:31):
There's a sign of mini strokes,Mini strokes.
I'm headed to the doctor.
Carmen Lezeth (03:36):
I'm like excuse me, I'm going to the ER.
Maurio Dawson (03:37):
So I go to the ER and then from the ER I end up
staying in the hospital 20 days,end up going through a myriad
of tests and then ended upgetting the diagnosis Fast
forward.
I had to have surgery on myback because the drop foot was a
(03:59):
signal of the stenosis I had inmy back, where stenosis is
basically where your spinal cordis open, like this, right and
all up and down, but then whenyou have stenosis it closes up,
like that oh, yeah, yeah, yeahno, so it's super tight, so it's
cutting off the signals fromthe brain to the leg right.
(04:20):
So those signals are not goingin.
So they have to open it up toget it to get it going.
And then from there, um, I hadfallen in between the time I was
scheduled for surgery tosurgery and I had a fractured
vertebrae.
Didn't know when they went into do my surgery.
I don't think I told you thatpart, no you didn't.
(04:41):
Oh my goodness so when I readthe report, my nurse, who comes
to check on me, read my report.
She said Mr Dawson, you had afracture of vertebrae that was
removed too.
I was like what.
She's like yeah, she said theyhad to remove a fracture of
vertebrae from, you know, duringthe surgery.
So that's why my incision is alot larger into surgery.
(05:04):
So that's why my incision is alot larger.
And so, but yeah, long storyshort, I have gone through so
many surgeries.
I just keep a positive attitudebecause it's no use crying
about it.
What's the use of crying aboutit?
Carmen Lezeth (05:20):
I totally get that.
I think I was more surprised,not just by your spirit, because
I've known you for a long time.
I know we had a time periodwhere we didn't speak, not for
any other reason than we justlost touch.
But it was interesting,especially when I came to visit
you, that we started talkingabout friendships.
(05:40):
And that's kind of what we weregoing to gonna talk about,
because I was a little bitthrown I don't know if thrown's
the right word but I'm like,okay, but we're in touch and
you're in the hospital and I'mdown the street not from the
hospital, but I'm like you know,I'm like I can come visit you,
you know, and you were kind oflike, no, but you don't know,
(06:03):
people say that all the time,and so we started having this
kind of I started thinking a lotabout your friendships, our
friendship.
I wanted to see what to startoff with, kind of what the
definition of friendship is toyou, even in a broad sense.
Maurio Dawson (06:18):
Okay, my sense of friendship is.
It varies because I alsobecause it was just interesting,
because I knew I was havingthis conversation today.
Um, I asked my mom.
I said mom, what do you see asfriendship?
And she's like friendship arethose people that you can depend
(06:38):
on, whether, she said, whetherit's five minutes, five years or
five decades.
She said because those peopleare going to show up for you If
you pick up the phone and say Ineed you.
She says you don't have to seethese people every day.
You don't have to talk to thesepeople every day.
She said, but your friends arealso someone who pours into your
(06:58):
cup and doesn't empty your cup.
She's like now, if you'repouring into them.
She's like if you're pouringinto them and you're emptying
your cup and they're neverpouring back into you to fill
you back up, that's not a friend, she said, that's an
acquaintance.
(07:19):
She's like that's someone whoyou know.
You understand what I'm sayingand during this whole process of
this particular healing cycleof my life, I got to see who my
friends are and be reminded ofwho my friends are, because I've
had people in my life duringdifferent seasons of healing.
(07:39):
But those people who show upwith me or for me during those
different seasons of healing,I've been consistent, um.
But then there are some people,like you, who I lost touch with
or come back into my life.
There are some more friends whohave come back into my life,
like you, right, but guess what?
(08:00):
They showed up, like theycalled.
They said hey, friend, I mightnot be able to make it to the
hospital, but I'm leaving town,but I want to make sure.
Are you okay?
How can I support you?
There's one of my dear friendswho I've known since sixth grade
(08:20):
and he is going through his ownhealth challenges, and but you
know what he did.
He said hey, brother, I want tosee you before you go into
surgery.
I might not be able to get toyou, but let's go have lunch,
let's fellowship, because I wantto see you, I want to love on.
He said I want to love on youbefore and it was just he and I
(08:45):
and he loved on me real hard andhe supported me and he's like I
got you, we got this, and he'ssitting there struggling with
his own things.
I'm seeing him struggle, likehis light is fading, but he's
still worried about me, right?
But in the meantime, I'mworried about him, right.
So, I'm like brother, I'mworried about him.
(09:05):
So I'm like brother, I'm goingto pull back into you because
let's get you out of here, let'sget you home, let's get you
rested and we'll talk later.
I'll see you when I wake up,and that's how I always tell my
friends I'll see you when I wakeup, right.
Carmen Lezeth (09:26):
I think something that you said earlier
about what your mom said is youknow what?
It's weird.
I didn't think about this, butso, for people who don't know,
we knew each other back in theday when I worked at brand new
school and I was the controllerof the company there and you
were.
I don't know what your titlewas, but you were our principal.
Maurio Dawson (09:42):
Yeah, I was, uh, no, I was never a vice president
, I was a system.
Carmen Lezeth (09:48):
I was a system personal banker well, you were
our principal person and whoeverour initial con, they never
helped us at all.
So you were our person and youtook care of everything we
needed done at brand new schooland that's how we developed our
friendship.
And then, somewhere along theway, especially when I quit
brand new school, which was inlike 2007 or 2008, we just kind
(10:13):
of lost touch.
Now the irony is is we livedown the street from each other,
not literally the next townover.
Maurio Dawson (10:19):
My daughter was going to school right around the
corner from your house.
Carmen Lezeth (10:24):
So it just happens.
But something you said, thatyour mother said, it's true.
If I needed something and Icalled you, I know you would
have been there over all theseyears and I think you feel the
same way, like if you would havebeen weird and out of the blue.
But then it would not have been, because you know what?
I forget how we started thisagain, that you started coming
on the show or something.
Maurio Dawson (10:45):
But no, you reached out to me.
We had already reconnected.
Carmen Lezeth (10:50):
We were already on Facebook.
We were already on social mediaand we were already
chit-chatting or whatever.
Maurio Dawson (10:56):
And then you said hey, Mario, why don't you pop
on?
And I did, and then we did thefirst private lounge where we
talked about my kidneytransplant.
That's right, all that stuff.
And then you know we still keptin contact sidebars and on the
show.
Carmen Lezeth (11:12):
Right.
Maurio Dawson (11:13):
It just redeveloped and rekindled and we
picked up where we left off.
I'm going to disagree with you.
Carmen Lezeth (11:20):
I don't know if I like the word rekindled, but I
don't think it had to redevelop.
That's what I think.
That's what I think is the kindof definition.
Part of friendship for me aswell is it's like we never had
all that time gone, no, between,like I don't know, like yes,
we're learning more about eachother and we're becoming a
(11:43):
different kind of friendship now, which is so cool, especially
because Alma's involved yourwife and your daughter's now
involved as well, marissa, andso it's kind of now growing in a
way that it hadn't because wehad that stagnation, right?
I think the true definition offriendship is exactly what you
said, and time.
(12:04):
Time is not as much of a bigfactor when it's a honest
friendship.
Does that make any sense?
Maurio Dawson (12:13):
it makes perfect sense.
As long as something is sincereand you're coming from sincere
place, no time, it doesn'tmatter how much time has passed,
because there are people in mylife, even relatives, who I see
like as friends, who come backinto my life and it's like no
time is left.
So you just pick it right backup.
The laughter continues, thelaughter just.
(12:36):
It's like we just rev eachother.
It's just, it's family, it'sfun, it's love.
And when love knows no time,love no.
Love knows no boundaries, loveknows it just.
It is okay.
Carmen Lezeth (12:52):
But let's talk about when friendships bobby.
Because?
Well, because one of the thingsI I will read for people.
Maurio Dawson (13:01):
I will read you down without even talking about
your name.
Carmen Lezeth (13:04):
Let me tell people who are listening like
the thing that I find I guessit's not shocking, but I always
like have to mind my P's and Q'sbecause I'm like, was it me?
Was it me Because when you'reupset with a friend or you're
not happy you will lay that shitout on social media, but you
(13:27):
won't name them.
Maurio Dawson (13:28):
I'll never name names.
And so because the thing is,you know, I have to find an
outlet because my wife, blessher heart, she gets sick of me
talking, so then I don't talk toher about it, so she's like
enough already.
Okay, I heard you.
So, like you know, I don't havevery much outlet, but social
(13:52):
media is a great outlet to getsome shit out without, without
having to name names, and I'mnot, and it's very rarely.
It's very rare that I'm likepissed off with multiple people.
A lot of times I'm pissed offat my father.
And he's not on social media, soit really doesn't matter.
It doesn't matter, I can just.
Right, yeah, his family's onsocial media, so you know they
(14:17):
can't clock it if you want to,but it's very.
Carmen Lezeth (14:23):
But that serves as an outlet for you, but
Completely.
But I, but it's very serves asan outlet for you, but
completely.
But have you already spoken tothose people like when?
When does it get to that pointwhere a friendship bothers you
so much?
Okay, you know what I'm gonnasay.
Like this if you get mad at meabout something, are you gonna
come talk to me or am I gonnafind out about it on?
No, no, no, no, I'm gonnaalways talk to you first am I
going to find out about it on?
Maurio Dawson (14:42):
No, no, no, no, no.
I'm going to always talk to youfirst and I'm going to try to
have a conversation with youfirst.
But if you're not receiving theconversation or if you're not
taking any accountability,that's when shit goes left,
because I believe in takingaccountability.
For my part, as hard as it is,if somebody calls me on my stuff
(15:04):
or calls me on my shit, I gotto sit there and say you know
what?
You are totally right.
I dropped the ball.
Please accept my apology.
I promise I won't do this again.
Let me work on this.
Let me show you that I can do X, y and Z.
Carmen Lezeth (15:21):
Or maybe you just made a mistake.
It doesn't always have to bethat deep.
Maurio Dawson (15:30):
But for me it's usually that deep, because
normally in my friendships I tryto be pretty present.
I'm that friend, I'm checkingin.
Hey friend, you okay, do youneed anything?
How can I help you?
Or my go-to line, especiallywhen my friends are in need.
How can I help you?
What can I do to make it easierfor you?
I can't rescue you, but I canhelp you in some way.
(15:53):
What can I do?
Right?
They say well, can you come sitwith me?
Absolutely, I'm on my way.
I can sit with you, I canlisten to you, I can hold your
hand.
I can cook a meal.
I can listen to you, I can holdyour hand.
You know I can cook a mealbecause I'm a good cook.
You hungry?
Let me see.
Carmen Lezeth (16:11):
Let me write that down.
I did not realize that was anoption.
Maurio Dawson (16:14):
I'll feed you.
I can feed you because Ibelieve in your food is not only
your belly but your spirit.
I'll feed you.
You know what I'm saying andI've done that.
But what I will not tolerate ina friendship is misuse.
(16:37):
I'm trying not to put thisperson out there, but right now
I'm upset with someone becauseall of my friends have checked
on me in this instance.
But when I poured into thisperson and I emptied my cup on
this person and you can't evenpick up the phone to say are you
(16:59):
okay?
Carmen Lezeth (16:59):
How was your surgery?
Do they?
Maurio Dawson (17:02):
know you?
No, no, no, no, no, no, you cananswer, you can answer answer
they absolutely knew what thissituation was.
And so I asked a mutual friend.
I was like, hey are so-and-soand I beefing and and I didn't
know.
That's the other question,because sometimes people are
(17:22):
upset with you.
They have no clue, but they'lltell somebody else, oh my,
you'll piss me off because I See, that's the other question,
because sometimes people areupset with you and they don't
tell you Right, they have noclue, but they'll tell somebody
else.
Oh, mario, pissed me off,because my tongue is very sharp
and sometimes I can come off alittle.
Carmen Lezeth (17:35):
I don't know what you're talking about,
because I'm so the opposite.
Yeah, no, I hear you.
I hear you.
Maurio Dawson (17:43):
So you know, and sometimes I have a tendency to
to cut people real short, andI'm not intending to be
malicious, but I just I'm veryhonest.
You know, and people know thattoo.
My friends know me to be thatway and tell fault, so sometimes
I'm like I may have saidsomething.
Carmen Lezeth (18:03):
Then I did and I didn't really mean to hurt your
feelings so this person stillhasn't reached out to you and
there's no beef you're aware of.
Maurio Dawson (18:12):
No.
And then I saw that persontoday on TikTok so I told him
today.
I said so I guess we're notfriends, right?
Carmen Lezeth (18:22):
Oh serious, I said that.
Maurio Dawson (18:24):
so I said we're not friends, right?
And so the person responded no,we're not friends, right?
Oh seriously, I said that.
So I said we're not friends,right?
And so the person responded no,we're absolutely friends.
So that was your cue to to saywell, what would you ask me that
?
Carmen Lezeth (18:40):
Yeah, what is that about?
Maurio Dawson (18:42):
That's weird.
And then they didn't respond toanything else.
So I was like, okay, cool, butI'm not trying to play games.
Carmen Lezeth (18:50):
Wait, wait, wait , wait.
So cool like you're done.
That's it for you.
Maurio Dawson (18:54):
No, no, I just know where to put you, like
after having that conversationwith my mom.
I'm not going to put you likeafter having that conversation
with my mom.
I'm not going to cut you off,but what I am going to do is put
you in the category where youdeserve to be.
Carmen Lezeth (19:04):
So you're now, you we're not friends, but you
say we're friends, but no, we'rereally kind of associates and
we are going on that, becausethat's one of my questions,
right is, when there's a valueshift in your relationships,
does that make it easier to cutoff people?
And I'll give you a greatexample.
(19:24):
Sure, this whole and this isnot to make this political, this
is to give you an example.
But people who are stillsupporting Trump, I'm out.
Maurio Dawson (19:33):
I'm out.
Carmen Lezeth (19:35):
I just can't even fathom it anymore.
It's a value shift.
I've had other value shiftsthat have been interesting.
Like someone talking about youknow black women, this black
women, that and I'm like, oh,I'm so sorry, who do you think
(19:56):
you're talking to?
Number one and number two backthe fuck up.
You know what I mean.
like sue because your last nameis suarez but no, no, this is a
person who who was trying toblame black women for why kamala
harris didn't win because itwas only 92.
They were trying to make astupid point.
Well, it was only 92 percentwomen, black women, and only 76.
(20:20):
Why didn't they all come outlike for Obama?
I was like, yeah, so you cansee.
I was like you know what You're, you're cut off, you're done,
we're out.
We're not having thisconversation.
That's not what is happeninghere, but I don't want to go off
on that tangent.
I want to ask you when valueshifts happen, what does that do
for you and your relationships?
Maurio Dawson (20:42):
Can they?
Carmen Lezeth (20:42):
sustain it.
Maurio Dawson (20:46):
I have a tendency to slowly back away.
I have a tendency to I'm notgoing to cut you off at the
knees because I'm going to easeaway.
So next thing, you know you'renot hearing from me.
Next thing, you know it's beena couple of weeks.
(21:06):
Next thing, you know it's beena couple of months and if I
haven't, and then after aboutsix months and you haven't
talked to me and I've blockedyou on social media.
I think you got it.
Carmen Lezeth (21:18):
So that's where you and I, obviously, I tell you
, I'm going to tell you.
Maurio Dawson (21:21):
No, because you know what I can see the thing
for me.
I can be confrontational, butit's exhausting.
Therefore I'm like I don't needall that.
But then there have beenfriendships where both parties
have decided to say you knowwhat?
I don't think we're friends.
(21:42):
I think we need to just be donewith each other.
I wish you well.
I you know I don't wish you noill.
May god bless you on yourjourney in this life and the
next.
And no harm, no foul, and I canbe done.
I can be done like that too.
I've had friendships be donelike that.
Carmen Lezeth (22:01):
I think there were friendships that I you know
just recently.
I have an ex friend that Ithought about him the other day
because it was his birthday andnormally I would have sent him a
text or whatever.
And he got me so angry and it'skind of one of those that I I
mean I hung up on.
I hung up the phone on him, Itold him we no longer friends.
We were never friends.
(22:21):
Like I had one of those fightswith him.
And you know, to me it mattersLike if, if I gave you a copy of
my book when it first came out,gave hand, wrote you a note and
handed it to you and I know youare a voracious reader because
every time I talk to you, youtalk about the latest thing you
(22:42):
read and we're like what?
I wrote my book in 2018, so Igave it to probably 2019.
And we in 2020 look at, I hadto look at the calendar to make
sure, okay and we in 2025.
Well, the breakup of ourfriendship ended in 2024.
You've never been supportive ofme.
Maurio Dawson (23:02):
So that means you didn't have the value to him.
Carmen Lezeth (23:05):
Yeah, yeah.
Maurio Dawson (23:09):
So is your anger because he didn't have the value
or because you invested thetime.
So are you more angry at him.
So then I think sometimes that'swhere our anger is displaced
and I think we get pissed offwith ourselves, and I think
that's where our anger reallygets going, because I'm like,
why the fuck did I spend so muchtime investing in this person?
(23:31):
And then that's where you getpissed off, and then we kind of
recycle that stuff in our headsand then that's for us to get
out of, because that means we'regiving that person too much
power.
We've empowered them, believeit or not.
So when we stop caring and wedon't value, we stop giving that
(23:53):
value, then we deflate thepower that we've given that
person and we've also givenourselves room for peace and for
other things.
Carmen Lezeth (24:04):
And for other people to come in.
I mean, I think that's thebeauty of cutting people out of
your life.
And then you're absolutelyright, I was more upset that I
had wasted, because this personyou know, I helped them learn it
doesn't even matter.
Yes, I gave much more because Ibelieve in reciprocity.
How do you say reciprocity?
yes, I can't say that wordbecause of my stutter, but yes I
(24:25):
believe in that and you I meanyou're kind of calling it the
same thing when you're sayingpouring into each other,
whatever, and look, and I don'tbelieve there's a time period
it's not like, okay, well, Igave you an hour of time, mario,
you need to give me?
No, it's like sometimes we needmore, sometimes we don't need
anything and sometimes nobodyneeds nothing and we're just
chilling, you know what I mean,like there is no equation and
(24:48):
the way.
I see it is is at some pointwhen I'm asking you.
I'm now basically asking you,as my friend, to help me with
this and your answer isn't,carmen.
I cannot, I'm unable to, or Iwish I could, or I support you,
but I can't.
It's just complete ignoranceand silence.
(25:09):
You're not a friend no, there'sno value and you're right, I
was mad at myself, but I alsohad to knock him out.
I don't mean, I mean knock himout of my life in order to just
be settled.
But that's why this came up toois because I was like I really
want to talk about this in depthwith somebody who understands
(25:29):
friendship so much A hundredpercent.
So have you ever ended afriendship that still haunts you
today?
Maurio Dawson (25:40):
Hmm, no, only because when I'm done, or when
I've done everything that I can,then it's I've come.
I'm old enough to know.
Now a younger Mario Probablywould have said oh yeah, I wish
(26:02):
this, but no, I'm old enough toknow that when something has run
its course, it's run its course.
Oh man, the oil has run out theengine, it is burnt to the
ground, it is done, and I'mgoing to walk away and keep on
trucking and I'm gonna leavethat little empty, burnt up
(26:24):
engine on the curb where it's atyou know what?
Carmen Lezeth (26:28):
I thought you were gonna say something else,
but you just you just helpedheal me a little bit.
I had a friend named todd who Iwent to college with.
Long story short, we both cameout here, not together, but
eventually I helped him find anapartment out here, like we.
We were connected and we had ahuge fight when he borrowed my
car.
It doesn't matter what thefight was about.
(26:48):
He took my car and he needed itto go to San Diego or wherever
he was going.
I said, take my car no big deal, cause I don't care, material
things don't matter to me.
But he took my car.
It got into some situation andhe didn't handle it well and got
into a big fight on the phone.
He came back and he like leftmy cars.
(27:08):
He parked it but he left mykeys like on the door, didn't
even wait to have a conversationabout it, didn't whatever.
And um, and we never talkedagain, like he wouldn't answer
my phone calls and he wouldn'ttake my calls.
He was upset that I yelled athim on the phone about what he
did to the car, to get it fixedor whatever.
And I still don't think I wasout of line.
(27:30):
But I will say this I found outrecently that he died a couple
of years ago.
I know, I know that's why I wasasking the question.
I know I know that's why I wasasking the question, like I feel
(28:02):
bad to go there, but the pointis a part of me was feeling very
, uh, regretful of thatfriendship that I didn't resolve
it.
You know, I mean, but you justsaid something is you know?
Look, I mean, basically this iswhat I took from what you just
said.
You could tell me from wrong,but like you did the best you
could and you had to leave thatin the background and yeah.
Maurio Dawson (28:23):
But okay, I'll give you a better example of why
I'm I'm good on people.
I was in a long-termrelationship before, way before
my wife and my wife knows thestory.
She gets annoyed when I say it.
But whatever it is what it is,it's okay.
I was in a relationship withsomeone.
(28:45):
The relationship had ended, butshe ended up dating one of my
best friends.
Oh Okay, they end up going offinto the sunset, but I have
always had the sneakingsuspicion that they were
cheating, they were creepingwhile we were together.
(29:06):
Oh, Now that might not be thecase.
There was somemisunderstandings along the way.
You know there was all of thesethings and you know there was
all of these things, but when?
Carmen Lezeth (29:26):
we broke up.
She proceeded to call my houseasking for him because he was
staying with me at the time,which I thought was very
disrespectful, verydisrespectful.
Maurio Dawson (29:33):
So I had to let her know hey, you can't call
this MF house no more.
So I told him.
I said look, if she's callingyou, you need to have that
conversation somewhere else, youcan't have this conversation of
mine Rude from both of them.
Both of them so he left, hemoved out, great Cool.
Then he brings back her stuffto me, right.
(29:57):
And so then from there it goesinto.
You know, I find out fastforward.
They're dating Fast forward.
They get married Fast forward.
They have children Fast forward.
He's dead now, and when mymutual friend called to tell me
(30:21):
that he had passed, I didn'tfeel anything and I was like wow
.
And so when I didn't feelanything that kind of let me
know, I was kind of over both ofthem and I was like, you know,
I don't wish and here's thething, I don't wish anyone death
(30:41):
, because I've had a hard life,I've had a very, very hard life.
So I don't wish people death,but I do believe in karma and I
do believe in how you get themis how you lose them, and I do
believe in you know what I'msaying.
(31:01):
I get it, I totally get it butI was like, wow, that's some
hard karma for yourself, becausenow you're miserable again
because that person made memiserable at the end.
Your misery doesn't always comeright away.
The misery can come later on,but that's another friendship I
(31:24):
don't regret losing.
Carmen Lezeth (31:26):
Right.
Maurio Dawson (31:27):
I was hurt in the beginning.
Carmen Lezeth (31:30):
Right, right right.
Maurio Dawson (31:31):
About it.
But the thing is I realized itwas never my friend.
And then there were signs thatthis person wasn't my friend
before he started dating my ex.
Before that there was a timewhere we had gone to Catalina
Island, for example, and it wasa group of us that went.
We were young, we had spent NewYear's Eve over there.
(31:53):
Note to self.
Carmen Lezeth (31:56):
Yeah, don't.
Maurio Dawson (31:57):
Catalina Island is boring, right, exactly, it is
dead.
I mean everyone should comeCatalina.
Carmen Lezeth (31:59):
Island is boring Right exactly.
Maurio Dawson (32:00):
Like it is dead.
Carmen Lezeth (32:01):
I mean, everyone should come to California and
visit there if you need to.
Maurio Dawson (32:04):
but no, but don't go for New Year's Eve.
I thought they were going to bejumping.
It was the.
No, it was like Catalina Island, wow, anyway.
Carmen Lezeth (32:15):
That's what you regret now Regret.
Maurio Dawson (32:20):
One regret.
So anyway, we come back andwe're all broke and short of
money.
But he left me and my friendRebecca there.
But he took him and his friendsback home.
He called his mom.
His mom came and got them andhe said oh, I don't have enough
money for y'all, so I'll seey'all later, and left me
(32:45):
stranded in Long Beach.
Carmen Lezeth (32:48):
So that was him.
Maurio Dawson (32:49):
That was him.
Same person, same person.
Carmen Lezeth (32:52):
So you kind of mad at yourself.
That was why you were bringingthat up, like when we're mad at
ourselves for wasting time.
Maurio Dawson (32:58):
Yeah for wasting the time and see, and that was
one of those.
That's one of those instanceswhere you didn't see the sign
right the first time, and thenyou came back around to me and
asked me for another favor and Iand I let you back in.
So that's one of those thingslike you like, where you beat
yourself up and you get mad atyourself, but then I'm resolved
(33:21):
because I got to believe numberone.
Two I have the best friends whoshow me what true friendship is
.
That's right Three.
I have an amazing wife wholoves me deep, and you know how
deep Alma loves me.
Carmen Lezeth (33:41):
Yes, she does.
Maurio Dawson (33:42):
So those are the lessons I got from that.
So you know what, for thoselessons, I say thank you.
Carmen Lezeth (33:49):
That's right.
Maurio Dawson (33:50):
You understand what I'm saying.
As long as you get the lessonfrom what and I just had this
conversation with Amayla, myniece I said as long as you get
the lessons from the stuff thatyou did wrong or the lessons
from someone doing you wrong andyou don't repeat it, then
you're learning, you're growing.
Carmen Lezeth (34:10):
You still win, you still win.
Maurio Dawson (34:12):
Yeah.
Carmen Lezeth (34:13):
So do you think some friendships are supposed to
be seasonal?
Maurio Dawson (34:18):
Mm-hmm.
Carmen Lezeth (34:19):
Or lifelong, or is every friendship supposed to
be a lifelong relationship?
Maurio Dawson (34:26):
No, no.
And that goes back to thatsaying is are some some, some
friendships are for a season, areason or a lack of yeah, oh, I
like the reason one.
Carmen Lezeth (34:38):
Wait, that's a good one.
Why did I miss that now?
I always think this is talaperry, and I think you were the
one who's like that's not talaperry that's not tala peri.
Maurio Dawson (34:47):
He just gave a different analogy of the root
okay, you know, if some peopleare the roots, some people are
the leaves and some people arethe branches, okay, poor tala
peri, okay, wait.
Carmen Lezeth (35:04):
so friendships for a reason I like that.
Maurio Dawson (35:08):
Why is friendship ?
Carmen Lezeth (35:10):
for a reason.
Maurio Dawson (35:11):
Yeah, some people come into your life for a
reason, a season or a lifetime.
Some people are just angelsthat come into your life just
for a short season, just for areason to help you learn
something, and then you move on.
And they move on and theytranslate, they do something.
Carmen Lezeth (35:28):
So maybe that could be the Todd thing.
Maurio Dawson (35:31):
Yeah, yeah.
Carmen Lezeth (35:33):
I don't know if he taught me anything, though I
don't know.
But there and there he would bea season.
Maurio Dawson (35:41):
He would be a season and like there was a.
There was some friends who werein my life in high school that
came back into my life later onand their time they served their
purpose and they were just aseason.
They just were supposed to bein my life for a season and we
were no longer friends.
But they were great friends forthat time period and for that
(36:03):
season, right.
But then there are my peoplewho are lifetimers, like Sheila
Brunson is a lifetimer, coreyJames, christopher Anderson.
You know, these are people whoare lifetimers, like we've been
friends for 40-plus years.
And Christopher is another.
(36:23):
This is the friend I told youwho came to see me, who was not
doing well.
It was a long time where welost.
We lost touch, we completelylost touch, but I was always
asking for him through otherfriends.
So then when we reconnected, itwas like no time had passed, no
time had passed.
Carmen Lezeth (36:40):
Yeah, those are the good ones, those are the
family people.
Those to me are family and it'ssimply because somebody the
other day was asking me somequestion, whatever, and I said
well, my brother from anothermother, da-da-da-da, and they
were like is he related to you?
I'm like he's family, they'relike but is he?
Maurio Dawson (36:57):
Because they were so stuck In my blood.
Carmen Lezeth (36:58):
No, they were like missing.
They were missing the actualthing we were talking about
because they got stuck on this.
Well, what makes somebody yourbrother from another mother?
I'm like somebody who's beenwith you through thick and thin,
somebody who is gracious andkind, and the thing I love about
Billy.
I'm just going to say thisbecause a lot of people who
listen to the show know whoBilly is, but he's never been on
(37:20):
the show.
He will never want to be on theshow.
But I knew Billy when I was incolor guard and drum corps and
and he basically was somebody Icompeted against and had no
business competing against atall, because he was so much
better than I could ever be.
There's no even doubt about it.
Maurio Dawson (37:38):
But anyway, then he became one of my instructors
well, he did come on the showonce a long time.
Carmen Lezeth (37:42):
No, no no, no, that's, that's tommy lee billy
would okay, on the show?
No, no, I don't think Billy'sbeen.
No, billy might've been on thephone, maybe once, but he he
hasn't been on the show.
But I think the thing that Ilove about Billy is there's no
airs, there's you can, I can,just I can cry with him for real
(38:04):
real, and he's not going tojudge me.
We can fight or argue aboutpolitics, we can have great
conversations about other things, we visit each other, but I
don't talk to him every day.
You know what I mean.
And one time I made the mistakeof telling him.
I said man, it's been likethree weeks we haven't talked
and I really needed to talk toyou.
(38:25):
And he was like, oh okay, I'msorry.
Like every week after that hewas texting me.
You okay, I'm like, all right,back it up.
Maurio Dawson (38:35):
He's like okay.
Carmen Lezeth (38:37):
But the reason why I feel like that becomes a
family thing is because I knowthat when I was at my lowest
point I didn't even have to ask.
He knew, and that's thatinstinctual feeling of someone
who knows you so well and says Igot you, what do you need?
(38:58):
That to me is like okay, yeah,I love him so much, I love that
so much.
Because there are very fewpeople who get me like that and
most people think of me as somestrong, powerful woman who needs
nobody, which you know.
That's bullshit, but peopledon't know that people will keep
(39:20):
taking from you or asking youfor stuff because they think you
have more than you actually do.
So when somebody gets it, thatto me is that's deep love for me
.
Maurio Dawson (39:31):
Yeah, I love billy but I think that, um
believe it or not, I think rickis a good friend.
I think who are we?
Talking about rick costa yeah,I love it, are you?
Carmen Lezeth (39:47):
talking about a good friend of me.
Yeah, no, no, rick is a goodfriend.
Rick is interesting because wereally, especially at the
beginning I don't know about now, but at the beginning, when I
asked him to be the co-host, youknow, I asked him about the
show.
Whatever I said.
Well, we got to have someconversations, because we do not
align on things.
Maurio Dawson (40:07):
Right.
Carmen Lezeth (40:08):
And the thing that made Rick amazing is not
only was he able to takeeverything I had to say to him
and ask about or whatever, andanswer honestly and truthfully.
And you know and I'm not sayingI'm trying, you don't have to
change your mind or be different.
You need to be able to explainto me so that I at least
logically understand, so that wecan have some type of alignment
(40:30):
.
Rick's a good guy.
Maurio Dawson (40:31):
Rick's a really good guy.
He's a really good guy and Ireally.
You don't have to put this inthe show, but I.
Carmen Lezeth (40:37):
It's going to be in the show because you brought
it up.
Maurio Dawson (40:40):
But I think that, even though politics and
religion are you guys seecompletely differently, politics
and religion are you guys seecompletely differently, but
that's the fact that you canagree on so much more than that,
I think that's what makes agood friend let me just say this
about the politics practice.
Carmen Lezeth (40:59):
I think it's important.
I think it's important thereason why rick and I are not
that different on politics,actually, okay, I'm.
Maurio Dawson (41:06):
And.
Carmen Lezeth (41:07):
I'm going to even say this A lot of people
and this is so interestingbecause Andrea and I are going
to talk about this in our nextepisode on culture and
consequence Most people thinkthey're Republicans, but they're
really not Like that's no,they're not, and so I think
that's kind of the thing is theconversations I had with Rick
were about deep issues.
They that's kind of the thingis the conversations I had with
(41:29):
Rick were about deep issues.
They're about abortion, about,like I had to have these because
I had to be like, let's just behonest, I need to know where
you're coming from and why.
But that's because we did havea good friendship and we've
built on that.
That.
I felt comfortable to have thatconversation with him and he
felt comfortable to tell mebasically, the F off.
No, he didn't.
He was like yeah, carmen,whatever, no, but yeah, the
(41:53):
friendship is based on a mutualrespect, and that's a whole
different.
Maurio Dawson (41:58):
I think that's the foundation of any friendship
.
Carmen Lezeth (42:01):
It's true.
Maurio Dawson (42:02):
It's just having mutual respect.
Carmen Lezeth (42:04):
The students' acquaintances and respect.
Maurio Dawson (42:08):
Mmm.
The difference betweenacquaintances and respect the
difference between acquaintancesand respect.
Acquaintances come in and outwhen they need something from
you, whereas a friend will bethere when you need it, no
matter what?
Carmen Lezeth (42:21):
No matter what.
Maurio Dawson (42:23):
And right now I'm feeling a little used by one
person, but I'm not going to putit out there on social media
this time.
You just put it on the podcast.
Carmen Lezeth (42:36):
Oh my god, that was so good.
You have any last words besidesdissing this person?
Maurio Dawson (42:43):
I'm not dissing them, no, no, no, no, no.
When I say about friendship, itshows up in the best way that
you can.
It's not perfection.
Nobody's asking for perfection,nobody's asking you to be the
best version of yourself.
But just be authentic and betrue to yourself and then true
(43:08):
to that other person, because,um, it's never gonna be 50 50.
Any relationship is never gonnabe 50 that's right but as long
as you know what you're signingup for, when you walk in the
door or when you say I love thisperson or you, I'm down for you
, I'm a ride for you, then ridefor them, and that's what I do.
(43:32):
And I do that for any of myfriends, all my friends.
Carmen Lezeth (43:35):
I love you Mario .
Maurio Dawson (43:37):
I love you, I love you, I love you deep, I
love you so deep, I love youdeep too.
Carmen Lezeth (43:43):
Thank you for doing this.
I appreciate you so much fordoing this.
Do it again, and I'm so gladyou're feeling better.
So today, today, today.
Thank you so much.
Everyone remember we are alwayshere on Friday nights at 6.
Pm Pacific, 9.
Pm Eastern, eastern, eastern,for our Friday night lives.
(44:08):
I know right, and check out ournew show, culture and
Consequence, which lands onThursday nights.
And yeah, remember, at the endof the day it really is all
about the joy.
Thank you everyone.
Maurio Dawson (44:18):
Bye guys.
Carmen Lezeth (44:20):
Bye.
Maurio Dawson (44:21):
Bye.
Carmen Lezeth (44:23):
Thanks for stopping by.
All About the Joy Be better andstay beautiful.
Folks have a sweet day.
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