From Brawling to Banter: A Journey through Serious Discussions of Race and Lots of Levity

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Carmen (00:00):
Hi everybody, welcome to All About the Joy.
And of course we have ournamesake, as I always say, joy
is in the house.
Hello, joy.
Andrea love seeing you.
Tony, thankful, so thankful.
And of course, rick.
I'm so sorry, rick.
I just assume you and I werekind of the same.
We're in the same place.
I don't need to always saythese things.

(00:20):
You know what I mean.
So Maurio was gonna be on theshow.
Unfortunately he had a slightemergency.
We're just gonna give him somelove and praise and hope that
he's okay.
It should be all right.
But he might drop by in thechat and if not, we will touch
base with him again soon.

Rick (00:38):
So Maybe next month.

Carmen (00:40):
Yeah, or who knows, maybe we'll have him on to talk
about something else even beforethen, so, but I'm so glad
you're all here.
Thank you so much.

Rick (00:48):
My pleasure.

Carmen (00:50):
Okay, I have a list of things, but I guess we should
just talk about I know Tonywants to talk about the.
It was so good.
Okay, the Montgomery brawl,which I'm sure no one is aware
of.
What happened there, Tony?

Tony (01:05):
No idea what you're talking about I have no idea.
No idea, no idea.

Carmen (01:10):
Tony, do you wanna tell our viewers and our listeners
cause this will go on thepodcast Melanie.
Hey, Melanie.

Tony (01:17):
Melanie how you doing.
I wanted to.
I don't know if you all had aclip or not.
I think it's only fit everybodyout there.
You look at that clip and it'sa tidy.
Stop looking at just a fight.
You gotta look at it from thevery beginning.
The biggest caution I hadbefore I ever wanted to comment
on it was what was theconversation between two of them
before it started.
They got heated and I reallydidn't see any reason for the

(01:40):
security guard to get hit.

Carmen (01:42):
Okay, let's stop right there.
Not a security guard.

Tony (01:45):
What was he?

Carmen (01:45):
He's not a security guard.
He is the co-captain of theferry so.

Tony (01:50):
Yeah, I did see that too.

Carmen (01:51):
So let me tell the story cause clearly.
I got my facts on point, andthen we'll get Tony to jump in
and lie about all of it.
No, just kidding.

Tony (02:02):
I'll bring the drama Go ahead.

Carmen (02:04):
Okay, we ready.
Everyone kept calling him asecurity guard.
He's not.
He's the co-captain of theferry they had been telling him
for a Telling the people in the.
Is it called a pontoon?

Joy (02:16):
Is that how you say?

Rick (02:17):
a pontoon boat.

Carmen (02:19):
To move because they needed to dock and that's where
that ferry docks all the time.
And if you do watch the clipfrom the beginning and I'm not
there listening but he keepstrying to talk to them to tell
them to move and it keeps goingback and forth, and back and
forth and I feel that when Iwatched one part of it he almost
went out of his way to evenstill try to be kind to them

(02:41):
when they were still trying toblow them off.

Tony (02:43):
But my question is why weren't they moving that pontoon
boat?
That was gonna be my originalquestion.
That's what I don't have anyclarity on.
I don't have any interest.

Carmen (02:52):
Okay, whatever it is.
Let's say they're like I paid$5 million to park my pontoon
boat there.
You can't move it.
Is that still any reason topunch someone?
No, gang, jump on him.
There was, I mean, cause that'sreally what the there is no
reason to attack someone.
And he did not attack themfirst.

(03:14):
Right, we did not.
The worst part for me was thatso many people jumped on top of
him thinking I honestly, youknow, look at, I saw it after.
Everybody else was alreadytalking about it.
But we all know what would havehappened or what could have
happened most likely.
Yeah.

Rick (03:32):
I was scared.

Carmen (03:32):
That could have been another death of another black
man.
I'm sorry that's not anexaggeration.

Tony (03:38):
I'll be honest, a lot of people could have got drowned on
that incident too.
I was looking at that becauseit was right by the water and it
could have thrown people inthere.
People could have jumped in ontop.
That part did have me kind ofnervous, but and I'll admit it,
when I watched it and first hegot hit when he threw the hat, I
said, yep, here we go, here wego.

Carmen (03:57):
I'll see that's like the new symbol, like if that's, you
see, the hat go up.

Rick (04:01):
It was like the funniest thing, the funniest thing I saw
is the guy goes.
Now.
I didn't know this was ourblack signal for this, but he
threw the hat.
It was black vengeance assemble.
Oh my God.

Tony (04:13):
See, they think of the south when the second dude came.
That's not like, okay, all bitsare right, wait, wait, let Joy.

Carmen (04:20):
I'm sorry, joy, what were you saying?

Joy (04:22):
No, that's actually a symbol in the south.
When you throw your hat downbecause you don't want to get
messed up in a fight, it's on.

Carmen (04:29):
Oh, that is from the south.
Okay, so that is a thing.

Tony (04:32):
Okay, andrea, don't you threw that hat in the air and I
will let this.
I almost thought it was running.
I'm like I'm over with it.
Let me stop.

Carmen (04:40):
I'm over with it and Andrea, Andrea, I'm sorry.

Andrea (04:45):
No, I mean, I haven't done as much research as you, so
I've looked at it.
You know just mostly the clipsonline, but you know, as a
general rule, I don't ever wantto see anyone fighting.
But it was righteous, it wasglorious, it was hilarious.
What are you going to do, right?

Carmen (05:03):
You fudged around and you found out I just thought it
was Fudged around.

Andrea (05:09):
Exactly, the chair is now like an international symbol
.
I mean like Wait, did you guyssee?

Carmen (05:15):
the Latino.
I said you guys, the clip ofthe Latino like that was really
funny, like the chair with theMexican hat on top of it and the
mariachi band in the back.

Tony (05:24):
I don't see that one.

Carmen (05:25):
I got looked at I see the clip.

Andrea (05:27):
I said the clip.

Carmen (05:29):
People were talking about the Lutzen Band.
It's only like 30 seconds.
It's like a chair.

Tony (05:32):
it's still a chair and everybody was singing Lutzen.
Every time that chair comes up,I've been Chair still a chair.

Rick (05:38):
I saw like so you know how you can get a phone stand Like
here's one.
Here I have five below'splaying games.
They made a phone stand thatlooks like a folding chair.
I was like you did not.
You did not.
I saw earrings that werefolding chairs All of their
t-shirts everywhere.

Carmen (05:50):
It's like it's on.
There was the mural of RosaParks.
They put the chair.
You know how her hand isreaching out in the mural.
They put the chair there.
I mean, it's all so wrong, butso creative.

Andrea (06:05):
Very proud of people.

Carmen (06:07):
Very creative.

Andrea (06:08):
Very creative.
I saw a reenactment I don'tknow if you guys saw that the
next day.
It was like a bunch of friendswho reenacted it in the pool.

Tony (06:14):
I'm sorry, I'll do it.

Carmen (06:16):
I know I look at it, but I mean all the memes and
everything was really funny, butI really do think that there is
a change of foot.
People are tired.
People are tired of racism,people are really tired of bad
behavior, bad behavior.

Tony (06:34):
I want to jump on the racist aspect of it.
That's why I told people watchit entirely and look clearly.
They want to say it was a raceissue, but I think they missed
it was a part in the verybeginning.
There was a white guy to try tostop it and them saying people
pushed him out the way.
People missed that.
So this is more of an ignoranceissue.

Carmen (06:51):
This is more of a I'm going to disagree with you 100%,
but go on.

Tony (06:55):
Yeah, but honestly there's a part.
In the very beginning, when itwas about to jump on him, one
dude came and tried to break itup.
They pushed him out the way.

Carmen (07:02):
Yeah, but that doesn't make it not a racist issue.
That just makes the guy try to.

Tony (07:06):
I see a little aspect of racism that they made a little
light white force to jump onblack force, and that was it.
That was why people were tryingto stop them and they weren't
listening.
So it became an ignorance issue.
It became a violence issue.
This whole thing wasn't justwhite on black because some
white people nobody white wouldtry to stop it.

Carmen (07:21):
OK, Tony, what are you talking about?

Tony (07:23):
I used to live there.
I'm trying to tell you.

Carmen (07:25):
I'm telling you, just because a couple of people tried
to stop something doesn't meanit wasn't a race issue.
I absolutely believe that whitepeople in that situation
thought they could get away.

Rick (07:39):
Oh yes, yes, yes, yes, With just hanging up on one
black man.

Carmen (07:43):
That's what they thought , and look if they were probably
drunk out of there.
I don't know what was wrongwith them.

Tony (07:47):
Somebody said they were drunk.
I don't have confidence.

Carmen (07:49):
I don't know why they thought that was an OK thing to
try to do, but it was all ofthem against one person.

Tony (07:57):
There was a group of four women in the year.
They wanted to try to break up.
They pushed them out the wayand everybody else came in.

Carmen (08:02):
All right, you're holding on to that one person.
Anyway, he didn't do a good jobso it didn't work.
But, Joy, what were you goingto say?
Because you know I'm going tokeep fighting with Tony and none
of you are going to be able totalk, so go ahead.

Joy (08:12):
No, because now this is something I'm curious about I
wonder how much alcohol wasinvolved, because when you have
alcohol and somebody wanting togo to a spot, or it doesn't
necessarily even have to beabout that specific situation,

(08:34):
but when you have alcohol and abunch of people and I'll be
honest with you, now it happenseverywhere, but I mean in the
South you can have a bunch ofrednecks, and redneck is
different than a hillbilly.
Yeah See, tony knows, tonyknows, and you know it can be a

(08:57):
good one.

Carmen (08:58):
Andrea is raising her hand.
Andrea is raising her hand, boy, and with clarification, I
assume.

Andrea (09:05):
Andrea, do you have any good definitions?
Just so that I am culturallyaware of it.

Tony (09:10):
Go ahead, joy.
I can't with this, ok.

Joy (09:15):
OK, this is my definition.
Ok, a hillbilly is somebodylike from the South, who is just
a good person, who is just verycountry, very southern, but a
redneck.
Now, granted, a hillbilly canturn into a redneck, just like
that, honey, but a redneck is ahillbilly with a really bad

(09:42):
attitude.

Carmen (09:44):
He's really angry at the world.

Joy (09:46):
I mean, they can just like you know, and yeah, so you know
that's in its Alabama.
Come on people, it's.

Tony (09:55):
Alabama.
Don't get me started.
Don't get me started.

Carmen (10:01):
I read that book Hillbilly Elegy.
How do you say it?
Hello, I was all the yeah, andthen I got mad at the guy who
wrote it, so, but I felt like Ilearned a lot about White people
.
That's almost In a differentway that I would have never
known before, you know, becauseit came from his point of view.

Tony (10:23):
So I Just saw an argument between two guys that I thought
were both country Rednecks and Igo ahead and select that until
one called the other one inhillbilly and he got mad he was
about to fight.
I said, oh, they really use adifference.
I kind of stood back wait, wait.

Carmen (10:36):
So he got upset for being called to hillbilly.
Wouldn't it be the other wayaround?
You would?

Tony (10:41):
This is a redneck in a hillbilly.
There's a difference and theywill.
It'll come out.

Andrea (10:48):
But redneck is okay and hillbilly is not see.

Tony (10:53):
That's the thing it was ready to fight and I would like
this.
I need to take notes because Ididn't notice.

Joy (11:03):
Joy go ahead.
I'm sorry because in the southhillbilly is Quote-unquote a
slang term for someone who isignorant, most often poor,
raised without manners.
But when you really look at itthat's not at all what a

(11:23):
hillbilly is.
But that's the perfection ofwhat a hillbilly is.

Rick (11:30):
Probably because of that TV show that we just got
mentioned about BeverlyHillbilly's.

Carmen (11:41):
So confused, go ahead.

Andrea (11:44):
Oh sorry, I took a soft track.

Joy (11:46):
You were saying no, this is not part of it.

Carmen (11:50):
No, no, no, go ahead.
Joy you were talking about.
I'm Fascinated.
That is Distinction.
I think, we will, because I'mlearning something.
I have no problem with that,but, um, so it's Okay.
Which one are we not supposedto call somebody like?

(12:10):
Which one is gonna get someoneupset?
Like I say the n-word, whatwould be the word?
You don't want to call someone?
What?

Joy (12:16):
Okay, now see, this is where it can get a little tricky
, because but some people, somepeople get really offended if

(12:43):
you do call me hillbilly,because it's most often thought
as God, you're stupid, you'rejust a dumb.
Hillbilly is like a major term.

Carmen (12:54):
Okay, but I'm raising my hand because I thought redneck
was that it can be, but aredneck is worse than it.
That's what I got.
Okay, so both of these are bad.
We shouldn't be calling.

Rick (13:08):
Bingo.
Okay.
I'm always taken as hillbilly,probably poor, definitely in the
south.
Maybe he's not super educated,not saying that you know, hey,
ash, but they can be cool, nicepeople.
But a redneck automatically hasa connotation of your jerk.
You're hateful, you're probablyracist right.

(13:28):
That's why I.

Joy (13:30):
And the funny thing is redneck.
The term redneck actually comesfrom Scotland.
Oh oh, so it's.
It's got a long.
I would have never thought that.
No, it comes actually from theScottish immigrants that came
over and it's like right now,the that whole history, just

(13:54):
like, has left my mind.

Carmen (13:55):
But there is a history behind the term redneck, hmm,
yeah so Melanie just said thisis starting to sound like the
pronoun controversy.
We are not going down that road, we're not we gonna bring it

(14:15):
back.
We gonna bring it back becausenow I'm half Scottish and I'm
not a redneck.

Tony (14:23):
I would have never thought it would have came from.

Carmen (14:24):
Scotland.
Um, it did.
Yeah, that is so hilarious.
Well, okay, so the white peoplewhich is what I will keep
calling them who fudged aroundand found out I personally, from
my experience, from justgrowing up in the neighborhoods,
I did I found it Interestingthat so many people were upset,

(14:45):
that that people of color were,and you know all, you know, even
a lot of white people wereapplauding, laughing, making
jokes, happy about it.
And it reminded me of the OJSimpson trial.
When the OJ Simpson trial, whenthe verdict came out and People
of color were so excited andhappy that he got Found not

(15:09):
guilty, um, and people reallygot upset.
It's not that anyone, any, Iknow for myself I did.
I know he is guilty, no, but,um, but it was more about it was

(15:35):
kind of finally seeing it's.
It's not revenge, it's somesort of justice, if that makes
any sense, right, it's, it'sabout a form of justice.
So, yes, go ahead.

Joy (15:51):
Go ahead and give you my spin on this, because up until
earlier today I've heard aboutthis is the brawl I've, because
I can't see it.
Most y'all know I'm blind, so Ican't see what was going on, so
all I was hearing was a lot ofthe description.

(16:12):
However, I Did not know untilearlier today the Co-captain was
a black man Did not know thatreally did not know that out of
all the stories and everything.

Tony (16:29):
As you heard, nobody made the emphasis.

Joy (16:31):
Yeah, because, quite frankly, I've been so busy here
lately, I've been catching likelittle bits and pieces of news
so I didn't know, you know, ifall the people on the on the
pontoon or the majority of themwas white or black right had no
idea, had no idea who thegentleman the co-captain was,

(16:53):
had no idea.
Now, for me, not knowing that,mm-hmm, I'm thinking what was
the interaction in the words,that conversation, before that
first punch was thrown?

Tony (17:09):
That's what I said to begin I.

Carmen (17:11):
Know, but here's the problem.
I mean, enjoy, I'm gonna letyou finish, but I understand
that we don't live in that world.
I wish nobody could see my skincolor.
That is not like a factualthing.
That's happening on the planet.
We don't live in La La Landwhere everyone's gonna treat
everybody equally.
So I don't know what the wordswere that happened, but we could

(17:33):
see what happened very easilyand we could see the gestures
that were going back and forthand we could see the co-captain
making every.
I mean, he was going back andforth and trying to explain and
you could see it Happening.
And the other thing I'll saytoo, is you could see the white
people turn around and jump onthis man Like there.

(17:55):
I understand and I'm, I'm, I'mgonna let you finish, but I'm
just not gonna walk down thisLily pad perfect world scenario
without jumping in.
I just can't do it.
And before joy, before you go on, I'm just gonna say Melanie,
we're not gonna talk about if OJwas white and blah, blah.
That was not the point.

(18:15):
The point was just to becauseyour, your comment is valid.
She said if OJ were white,would those same people be just
as happy if he were foundinnocent?
The point was is it wasn'tabout whether or not he was
guilty or Innocent.
Most people know he was guilty.
It was that the justice systemthat is always about rich people

(18:38):
and always about white people.
It always goes that way.
Finally, in this one moment theOJ Simpson trial we felt a
justice.
That's all that was about.
I, I hate him, I know hemurdered them, I live in the
neighborhood where he did it, Imean, but that's not what that
was about.
It was kind of the same thingthat happened here with this

(19:00):
whole Drama with the, with theboat and the ferry.
It's the same concept is we'rehappy, not because a fight
happened and people got therebut whooped, it's because we
finally felt a sense of you'renot gonna kill another black man
Again over something stupid.
That's what this was about.

(19:21):
I'm sorry, joy, go ahead.

Joy (19:25):
No, I would just like to know the conversation Prior.
That's all I'm saying now.
Granted, yeah, no, I'm inMemphis right now.
So, and the big topic you knowthat happened earlier was the
Tyree case.
Okay, yes, all of, and I won'tgo into a lot of detail.

(19:50):
No, but, um, those officerswere black.
This is a black young man.
This was okay, let's just getreal.
This was a skinny guy.
Okay, he was tall.
He weighed about my weight,like 150 pounds.
He was a tall, skinny guyCompared to these cops who were.

(20:12):
One of them was a big man.
Okay, well, with guns, right,yes, but what it's coming down
to and this will come out, andit has come out it all comes
down to a woman.
Now, it has nothing to do withthis other case, don't be right.
But what I'm just trying to sayis If, if I Lost my train, car,

(20:44):
no, no, it's like Words Arepower.

Andrea (20:54):
Mm-hmm.

Joy (20:55):
And when you throw alcohol into it, absolutely can make it
a lot worse.
It's just like adding fuel tothe fire.
And I'm not saying this is arace matter because I don't know
.

Carmen (21:09):
I Honestly don't know what, wait, wait.
What are we talking about now?

Joy (21:12):
again that, that going back to the, to the, to the fairies,
the fairy and the in thepontoon barge, I'm gonna tell
you mama's grave.

Carmen (21:20):
It was a race issue.
I'm just gonna tell you rightnow it was well, I'm not.
Don't think white people whodon't think it's a race issue
are part of the problem.
I'm so sorry.
Okay, this is okay.

Joy (21:30):
I'm gonna say I'm sorry, I never, it's like up until
earlier today, I didn't know whowas white and who was black, I
know, but that's because youcan't see joy, I understand that
.
But if I would have watched thenews and had caught all of the
story I would have known.
But just saying that, I wouldstill like to know that

(21:56):
conversation.
I please you know what I wouldlike to know?

Carmen (21:59):
I would like to know the conversation between so many of
the black men who have died atthe hands of white people.
I would love to know all thesame conversation.
But here's the problem We'veheard those conversations.
We've watched them on camera.
You know it's it.
Look it I'm.
This is not what I wanted totalk about, but that's okay
because we're here.
You know, we go back to RodneyKing back in the day, where you

(22:22):
know that was the first time, Iguess, people saw a black man
get taken out of a truck andbeaten up by cops.
I don't know if any of youremember that from back in the
day.
It was like the early 90s orsomething you know and that
whole thing that happened.
We watched that as a society.
We watched that and you knowwhat's happened since then.
Nothing more.

(22:44):
Black people keep gettingkilled.
We have a race issue in thiscountry and to keep pretending
that we don't is pissing me offright now Pissing me off.

Joy (22:54):
Please understand that I'm not saying that it wasn't a race
issue.
I'm not saying that at allBecause it very well you know,
when it comes down there's gonnabe people charged and when
everything comes out we'll know.
But I'm not by any means sayingthat it wasn't a race issue,
because I don't know.

Carmen (23:15):
Let me back up.
This isn't about a law issue,about race.
See, this is what people don'tunderstand.
The racism that I'm talkingabout is ingrained in us.
So I'm not saying all of thoseguys or the people on the
pontoon whoever they were, thefamily, I forget their names
they were turning around, theywere drinking, they were having
a great time.

(23:35):
I'm not saying they were like,hey, let's go beat up a black
guy.
I don't think theyintentionally meant to go do
what they did.
But when we have racismingrained in us, when we think
we are entitled to behave acertain way around people
because we have been given theopportunities and the privilege

(23:56):
and the ability to do what wewant and never have any
ramifications, that's what we'retalking about when we're
talking about institutionalracism.
So I'm not saying that whitepeople are constantly walking
around being racist human beings.
I'm saying we need to stoppretending that you don't have

(24:17):
an entitlement issue in thiscountry.
Do you think I would ever?
There is a snapshot of a whitewoman touching a cop during that
whole thing.
She's touching him and tryingto move him or do something, and
it was a snapshot and all Ikept thinking in my head was I
would never in a million yearstouch a cop, never.

(24:40):
That is the fear that I havegrown up with in my life.
That is a fear that has beenrealized over and over again in
my life.
And all you people and I'mgonna say you, all of you, I'm
not talking about white people,everyone, especially boomers all
of a sudden are like oh, wehave cameras now.
Oh, did that?
Oh, that's what you're talkingabout.

(25:02):
So now you have it visually infront of you.

Tony (25:06):
So you're not correct about that.
You are correct about that, yes.

Carmen (25:09):
I'm correct about a lot of what I'm saying, but here's
what I'm, but thank you buthere's what.
I'm gonna say this is what we'vegrown up with in our entire
lives.
Watching people of color beinghurt, being treated maliciously,
being maligned, being talkeddown to being called a boy,
watching black men being hurt,it just riles me.

(25:32):
And until white people stopthis conversation of like oh
well, I don't know, did itreally happen?
You know, maybe that's notgonna help us.
We need to start reallyembracing the idea that
something is wrong.
I can't fix racism.
I have tried.

(25:53):
Black people keep trying to fixit.
White people need to stop thisLa La Land conversation that the
world is so perfect and if wejust all talked and got along,
it'll be fine.
I'm sorry, I'm angry because Ican't stand it anymore.
I'm so.

(26:14):
I need especially white peoplethat I know.
I need you to stand up and,andrea, you know I have been
screaming about this with all mywhite friends for how long.

Andrea (26:26):
Forever.
I mean, rodney King happenedbefore we met, but that, like
you said, nothing has changed.
You know, it feels like it'seven worse because we see more
of it, but that's all justbecause there's cameras
everywhere.
But I think, for me, exactlywhat you just said.

(26:46):
I think that's in many ways,what sort of captured the
imagination of this is thatthese white folks thought that
they were getting away with thisright.
They thought this was okay.
They were all beating on thisblack man and they thought that
it was gonna be okay and whoknows where it could have gone
or whatever.
They didn't know that there wasessentially like the Avengers,

(27:09):
like coming at them, there wasan army that was gonna unite and
fricking take them down.

Carmen (27:15):
Can we talk about Jamaico Phelps?
Yeah.

Rick (27:18):
Hashtag black people can't swim man.

Carmen (27:22):
Jamaico.
I love that they called him allthese days, but that one
tripped me out Jamaico Phelps.

Andrea (27:28):
Well, I had a card.
Lugo Gooding Jr was the onethat got me, but Schoolboy
goodies.

Tony (27:32):
I got a other one.

Andrea (27:33):
Wow.

Rick (27:34):
Aquamanian I mean, that's.

Andrea (27:36):
that is right there.
What you explained to that'sthe issue is that they were all
out there together, just themand one black man, and they felt
totally empowered and entitledto do whatever, because they
were drunk, because they'reracist.
All of you know what I mean.
Whatever it may have been, theydidn't realize what was just
about to come at them, andthat's what's the sort of when I

(27:56):
said earlier, it was righteous,right, it's like oh okay, how
many other people have you guysdone this to?
We don't know.
You know how many othersituations there's been
Gajillion's are probably ofsituations like that that were
not on camera and someone youknow there wasn't an army coming
to, like, take them down.

Tony (28:16):
When you say Gajillion, I dare say that's an
understatement.

Andrea (28:19):
Yeah.

Tony (28:21):
The fact that the people showed up is where we will get
an upliftment, and I was tryingto be nice and calm.
I'm gonna go ahead and say it.
It was about damn time we didit.
I'm gonna go ahead and telleverybody because, like they say
, you don't even realize howmuch this has happened.
If you don't believe me, youneed to go back to some of these
history stories, go back tosome of these civil rights

(28:41):
stories, go back to a bunch ofthings that happened against
black folks.
I actually did a broadcast onthe last year Rick I think he
was there when I did it when Ishowed how they used to use on
black babies for alligator bait.
How much stuff they doneagainst black people.
What happened with Emmett Till?
And she lived till her deathand they still didn't prosecute
her, as, even though she lied ona 14 year old boy, he got
killed and they beat him up andnobody did nothing about it.

Joy (29:00):
And she even admitted that.

Tony (29:02):
Yes, she admitted it.
Yes, she admitted it.
That's the way it was.

Carmen (29:07):
You know what would have been beautiful.
Enjoy.
I just want to apologize.
I'm starting to cry and I don'twant to.
I'm sorry, I didn't mean to gooff on you.
I was just going off on thewhole thing.
You know what I mean?
Because I'm just tired of it.
Like the thing that would havebeen really beautiful if the
white people within the groupstarted beating on the other
white people to tell them tostop.

(29:28):
Like that's the thing, like howcan it not be racism when
somebody's not really when wasany one thing?

Andrea (29:36):
That's not cool.
Fucking knock it, sorry, knockit off you know what I mean.

Carmen (29:41):
Don't use an alligator because of Rick.

Joy (29:42):
No, it's fine, I'll get you one thing she tend to slip once
on the blue.

Tony (29:45):
I can't mind a one or two.

Carmen (29:48):
I'm sorry.

Rick (29:49):
I know that was so funny.
To me, though, was like whenyou see black man skipping
towards you.
You know you messed up.
You know you messed up.

Carmen (29:59):
It's so true.
It's so true, I know.

Joy (30:05):
Carmen, I want you to please, please, please, please
understand.
I am not disagreeing with youat all.
Okay, I do agree with you.
I have black friends who Don'tever say that again.

Carmen (30:20):
Don't ever say black friends, you have black friends.
Please don't Well.

Joy (30:23):
I was being sad.
Well, you have friends.
You have friends.
I've got friends who happen tobe black, and one is a pastor,
and because he was black, he gotpulled over one night and had

(30:44):
to spend the night in jail, andhe did absolutely nothing wrong.
I know this is our normal life,though, so please, please know
I am not disagreeing with you atall.
Okay, I am not.
I just want you to know that?

Carmen (30:59):
No, I know, I know.
And the reason why I don't wantyou to say that you have black
friends is because people haveto stop saying that as well, you
have friends and you canexplain that that he is black,
but it's just a.
You know, it's the cliche linethat gets everyone in trouble,
right, like I have two.

Joy (31:14):
The funny part about it is finance gets me in trouble.
The funny part about it is Ialways say that, and I don't
know why it just came out thatway no, no no, all right.

Carmen (31:24):
So I'm just giving you a heads up, like I'm calling
people out now, especiallypeople who are my friends, and
Dre is like, oh God, I got her,but I've never changed.
I'm the same way.
I don't have people in my lifethat can't handle it either, you
know, because I break down andcry.
Here's the thing, and I don'tknow if Tony will agree with
this, and I don't know Rick.

(31:44):
I think Rick tends to side withpeople of color more often than
not.
But I get really upset, I cry,it ruins my day, it hurts me
painfully when I hear of anotherblack man getting hurt or
killed or maimed or shot at orlike.
It is emotional.

(32:06):
I don't know any of thesepeople and it breaks me every
time and I think it's because itcontinues to happen and it
feels like nobody cares, andwhen I say nobody, I mean it
feels like white people haven'tfigured it out yet.

Tony (32:26):
We're not going anywhere.
They keep telling us we need tocontrol ourselves, we need to
learn how to behave, we need togo to counseling, we need to
follow the law.
We could have done all of that.

Joy (32:34):
We've done that and we will still be persecuted.

Tony (32:36):
That's where she's coming from and she's correct.
We can see it better.
Play every aspect of the gamethat everybody wants us to be a
part of, and they will stillfind something to hell wrong
with.
That's what pisses us off fromBlack man, and I will tell you
that the system isn'tnecessarily designed for us,
because it wasn't even writtenfor us.
Looking to your history books,who wrote it?
What was the status of Blackpeople when it was written?
All of these aspects.
People got to take all of thisinto control.

(32:57):
Things may have improved whereyou all aren't as punishing, but
that doesn't make us as equalstill to this day.
Oh no, we're not equal, and Idare a bunch of people to
challenge that.
This is nothing against anybodyout there who knows where I'm
coming from.
This is for the people who sitback and be like why don't you
do this?
Why don't you do that?
Look on the news.
Well, black men commit somemurder.
They're ready to convict them,but if it's a white kid, they

(33:18):
claim mental illness.
Think about it.
If it's somebody from anothercountry, that's where they're a
terrorist.

Carmen (33:25):
Well, not if they're from Mexico, because you know
that's a whole other topic.

Tony (33:32):
I'm just saying.

Rick (33:33):
I think before the internet, and I'll go ahead Joy.

Joy (33:36):
Go ahead.
Well, I'll just say this reallyquick In DeSoto County, right
out in Mississippi, it's justright across the line they had
an election yesterday.
They got a black sheriff, theyvoted him in.
That has happened since 1850.

(33:57):
That's just my idea.
Yeah, you know.

Carmen (34:02):
so it's like I'm just kind of I don't know.
I you know, this is a thingthat I thought.
You know, I'm in my 50s now andfor me, I can't believe we're
still here and it's so.
Then something like thishappens, where people of color

(34:24):
take control of the situationand save a man.
Save a situation Because, makeno mistake, if that man had been
murdered which is not anextreme thought, by the way,
right, no, it's not All of thosewhite people would have been in
jail for the rest of theirlives, or maybe not.

(34:45):
I don't know, maybe not.
But my point is it would havechanged people's lives.

Rick (34:50):
Yeah, I was going to say, before the internet and cell
phones, a lot of white peoplejust like ugh, you're
exaggerating, we're equal.
You don't want to tell them?
No, y'all don't.
You're lying about the whole,scared to get pulled over by a
cop who's going to get killed.
They don't believe it and I'mlike, I've seen it myself.
I told the story all the time.
We were going to Six Flags andone of my best friends he was

(35:12):
black and he was in the car.
He wasn't driving, he was inthe back seat and a cop pulled
him over, looked straight at himin the back seat, keeping his
hands back and seeing him what.

Carmen (35:23):
Why?
Yeah, this is normal.
I'm not trying to be rude, rick.
It's not stunning.
I've been stopped by cops in myown neighborhood.
Andrea, I don't know if I toldyou what happened when,
brentwood, I had gone to WholeFoods too early.
So Whole Foods is the grossest.
I don't know if everybody knowsthat, but and it was too early,
so I turned my car around andthought I would wait at the

(35:45):
school and the school was closed.
It was like a early Fridaymorning, it was a holiday or a
Monday, something like that.
It was a Friday, but the schoolwas closed.
Oh yeah, because it was likeseven in the morning, that's
what it was.
So I thought I would sit thereand wait and I was just going
through my phone or whatever,and a cop came up behind me and
I was like and I get, I justhave to tell you I get really

(36:07):
terrified.
I don't know how to explain it.
It's the scariest thing to meand I've been afraid about a lot
of things in my life, but whena cop pulls up behind, me.

Tony (36:20):
I could explain it for you .

Carmen (36:21):
It's scary, I know, you know.

Tony (36:23):
I can explain it for you.
The reason why it terrifies isbecause they don't advertise
that we can get off as easily asother people.
Well, it's not even that.

Carmen (36:29):
I'm more worried about dying, but here let me just
finish this.
They came up behind me.
A woman got out of the car.
Not that I thought that wouldbe a safe space, but I was at
least like okay, maybe you knowwhat I mean.
She came up and she was likewhat are you doing here?
Can I have your license andregistration, whatever?
And I was like I live in theneighborhood.

(36:50):
And then I realized, oh, don'ttalk back, just get over what
she wants.
Here's the worst part Cop carscame.
Another cop car came in front.
We're talking like three yearsago in my neighborhood.
Oh, four years ago, because Iwas living in another apartment.
Remember, did I tell you aboutthat, andrea?
I don't remember.
It's like four years ago and itwas the cop car that came in

(37:12):
front of me that scared me.
That means the guy in the backcalled for backup.
What am I gonna do?
Do you know what it feels likefor people to think that I'm
going to do something to hurtsomebody, a cop, somebody, like

(37:34):
I don't know?
It's a weird.
I mean I'm laughing, but I'm sosad.

Andrea (37:40):
I don't know how to explain it.

Carmen (37:43):
Hey, sweetheart, how you doing.

Rick (37:45):
Hey Jason.

Tony (37:46):
Like I'm a good son, he can't hear you.
You're going to turn the wave.

Carmen (37:49):
Oh, okay, because we can hear him.

Tony (37:52):
I saw.
I'll try to meet my mic.
My apologies.

Carmen (37:55):
Anyways, I'm sorry, I just.
I mean, rick, I know whatyou're talking about.
It's just like.
This is what I mean.
Like white people need to stopbeing so surprised.
This is what happens our entirelives, and I have had nothing
compared to black men, nothingcompared to dark skin women,

(38:18):
cause, by the way, I'mconsidered, you know, I'm one of
the good haired ones and I havelight skin.
So I get away with a lot moreand, it's true, I have much more
privilege in the blackcommunity than black people do
that are very, very dark skinit's.
And so when I'm telling youthat I'm in this much pain,

(38:40):
imagine what people like Tony orI don't know I don't want to
speak for you, tony, but peoplewho are dark skin, especially
men in this country.

Tony (38:51):
The kicker is what we've all said about the recordings
and everything.
These are the same people thatdemand proof of a situation
cause they don't believe thatblack folks will go through it,
and then, when they had theproof, they're making an excuse
about it.
That's some BS.
You have the evidence right infront of your face and you still
think we're full of it.
That's why we're mad, that'swhy we're angry, that's why we
celebrated what happened downthere.

(39:12):
We're tired of trying to proveit.
We're tired of trying to seekthe justice.
God forbid.
We had to take it in our ownhands.
You're not going to be happy orbe grateful or like what we're
going to do.
And they showed no holds barred.
They jumped in the boat afterthe family, they jumped straight
in the boat.
Some of the people weren'tthere.
Okay, who else you with?
We're going to go out to themtoo.
And I saw it.
I went mm-hmm.
I already know what this is.

Carmen (39:33):
There was another clip where the man who hit the woman
in the head with the chair weneed to go fund me for him.
No, no, no.
But here's the thing, the thingthat people don't realize.
And in the clip I sent you, inthe email I sent you well,
there's a, you can go, click onit A white man is talking about.
It's funny how everyone's upsetabout the black man who hit her

(39:55):
over the head with the chair.
Nobody talks about whathappened before, what she was
doing, but, more importantly,nobody notices the black woman
afterwards who's trying toprotect her, right?
So that's why I sent you thatclip, because that's exactly
what's happening, like she'sactually trying to help her and
it's kind of that whole thingLike people are upset with him

(40:15):
hitting her with the chair andhe was trying to stop her from
doing what she had been doingthe whole time, which was
hurting other people.
And someone also said shedidn't die.

Rick (40:27):
I saw that, but did she die?
I saw that.

Carmen (40:29):
Did, she die.

Rick (40:30):
Yeah.

Tony (40:31):
Did she?

Rick (40:31):
die.

Tony (40:31):
I'm gonna tell you, I heard this phrase at the first
time of the drives me and that'swhen people say that but did
she die?
I'm like, all right, y'all keepplaying.

Carmen (40:37):
No, no, no, but it was just kind of funny because that
was kind of like, you know, sheokay, right, she got a bang up
the head, but she fine, you know.

Rick (40:45):
That's not like she didn't hit nobody either.

Carmen (40:47):
Hmm, Anyways.

Joy (40:49):
Well, it is because, in like I said, I you know I saw
little bits and pieces of all ofthis, but is the captain of the
ship the fairy?
Is he okay?

Tony (41:04):
He's fine, from what I saw , because he didn't go down
necessarily.
They took him down but he alsogot back up and he was ready for
more.
I think he's good.
The captain of the boat wasactually trying to tell
everybody to stop.
I saw a clip of the whole thingall the way through.
It's about seven or eightminutes.
I wanna say I can't get it towhere I could just play, because
, I'm not gonna lie, I saw it onTikTok.
You know everybody got theircommentaries and they got a
superimposed with whateverthey're doing there.

(41:25):
I was watching it all the waythrough.
Jaleh, she said the black onewas trying to help the white one
.
When she was down trying to getpeople to stop.
There was a lot of people thatwas trying it just got.
It got crazy.
It did get out of control.
It did.
We're not gonna lie.
When the cops came down, youshould have seen it.
They were standing around.
They didn't know who to try tostop.
First they did not.
I think they were going afterthe original people in the first

(41:46):
place, but then they had toback this person off, back this
person off.
There were more people thanthere were police.

Carmen (41:51):
So it could have became a real, a real situation, yeah,
but then the police and theblack men were all walking
together.

Tony (41:56):
I mean, it was kind of obvious at that point where yes,
because I'm pretty sureeverybody told them what
happened on the way down there.

Carmen (42:02):
But I also think, though .
I do think the other peoplewere drunk, I do think they like
.
It's only obvious to see them.
Being so enamored, whatever theword.
Not enamored, what am Ithinking of?
That's not the right word.

Tony (42:15):
I'm not sure.

Carmen (42:16):
Hammered.
I think hammered that works.
That works Because I think theenamored is like your love's
body.
I'll give it to you.

Rick (42:25):
But it's just moving a boat, such a big deal.
Why couldn't they just move the?

Tony (42:28):
flip and move.
That's my point.
Yeah, that's my really point.
Why would they move the boat?
And then, why did they hit him?
It was a wrap after you hit him.

Carmen (42:34):
Because it's entitlement .
It goes back to what we weresaying I got that part.

Tony (42:37):
It's not entitlement, it was so easy.
You know what's so funny.

Carmen (42:41):
I would never in a million years fight somebody
like that I'm not saying theactual one, they got on top of
him.
I mean, if somebody said, man,you got to move your boat
because the ferry is coming, Iwouldn't even, it wouldn't even
dawn on me to be like, yeah, no,I'm leaving my boat there, I'm
going to leave my boat there.
You know what I mean?
Yeah, I don't know.

Tony (43:02):
As Paul's, I can't say that I'm loving your comment.
What did she?

Carmen (43:05):
say I don't do anything drunk, that I don't believe in
sober.

Tony (43:10):
I can't say that.

Carmen (43:12):
Oh, really, wait, what do you mean?
So you do things.

Tony (43:16):
I kind of change when I drink.
You just control them.
What?

Carmen (43:18):
kind of drunk are you?
That's interesting who.

Tony (43:20):
Me.
Honestly, when I drink darkliquor, I'm taking it easy.
That's why a lot of times I'mlive streaming with everybody.
I'll drink dark liquor when Idrink clear liquor.
Oh, that's the body guard.
That's the other one, that'sthe one that would have been
down there on the riverfrontwith the rest of them by my
third long island.
I want to know who wants what.
Just telling the truth.
Tell me yes, ma'am.

Joy (43:39):
Let me ask you this, because I've heard other people
talk about this and I don'tdrink it, so I don't know.
So why is that?

Tony (43:49):
Body chemistry.

Joy (43:51):
True for it.

Tony (43:52):
A lot of people when you drink clear liquor.
When you drink clear liquor,two parties to make a song.
Jim Mick, you sing.
I know a lot of women that swimwhen they drink clear liquor.
It makes them more sexual.

Carmen (44:02):
Andrea, you know, you and I will be drinking the same
thing right.

Joy (44:05):
Right If you don't.

Tony (44:07):
A lot of people drink dark liquor to mellow out.

Carmen (44:10):
So I'm going to tell you what me and Andrea are thinking
about right now.

Tony (44:13):
Go for it.

Carmen (44:14):
I'm going to tell you exactly what we're thinking
about right now.
Liquor is liquor.
Baby, you've been told to laugh, it's all the same thing,
liquor is liquor, clear liquorand dark liquor.

Tony (44:24):
There's a difference, carmen.
No, ma'am.

Carmen (44:25):
But you drink more of it or you drink less of it, but
liquor is liquor.
This whole thing like, ooh,don't mix beer and alcohol.
Yeah, it's a lot.
Here's why we know.
Why do we know, Andrea?

Andrea (44:37):
I'm like, oh, Just, you know lots of readings.

Tony (44:42):
Yeah, lots of readings.

Carmen (44:44):
That's all I see over there, speaking with scientists
and people who study the art ofalcohol Research papers,
research papers.

Rick (44:53):
Chat GPT Research papers.

Tony (44:56):
I already ran a research papers.

Carmen (44:59):
Chat GPT.
I'm going to try that next timeI'm drunk.
See how that works.
Now I'm doing it.

Andrea (45:05):
Let's see Butter prompts with dark liquor.

Carmen (45:08):
Oh my god, Now let me say that if someone's car is
blocking traffic on the street,it gets towed.
Can boats get towed?

Tony (45:15):
I think they get.
They do get ticketed.
I think they could be moved.

Carmen (45:20):
I mean, when you look at it you can see that the ferry
is waiting to dock.

Rick (45:25):
It's right there, I heard 40 minutes.

Carmen (45:28):
This is the other part of it.
It took so long because theywere trying to get them to move
Like, ok, if the captain hadjumped off the boat and it was a
five minute thing, I would havebeen like, ok, that's just
wrong.
40 minutes of him trying to getthem, yeah, but can we talk
about a 16 year old who jumpsfrom the boat?

(45:50):
Yeah into the water To defend.

Tony (45:56):
Michael Phil's Ricky smiley Kilton.
When you talk about that, youall have to see that clip too.

Carmen (46:00):
Which is really Aaron, right, aaron sure it's Aaron,
but it's like spelled a E Roanor something like that it's
Aaron, something they still dowhat it's spelled differently.
It's not a, a ro when it's likea E-R-O-N, something like that,
you know.
But he's, his family, put out astatement saying you know,
we're very grateful, and blah,blah, blah, whatever.

(46:23):
But I think they had to stopthe the donations because they
kept giving him money.
And he said Something likesomething to the extent of I
just did what I was taught to doit.
I was like, oh my god, thoseparents must be so proud.

Tony (46:40):
I Apparently they were fellow coworkers.

Andrea (46:43):
Yeah.

Rick (46:48):
I saw a comedian say did you see how he swam?
Though he didn't swim regularly, he was punching the water he
was ready to fight.

Carmen (46:56):
Oh, I know what happened .
He took off his boots, that'swhat it was.
So they started trying to raisemoney from the buy boots and,
like now, I think he's collegeeducation, I.

Tony (47:07):
But what a, what a brilliant be able to afford
Harvard after all thosedonations.

Carmen (47:12):
I mean, I, I, I would think, as a parent, that would
be an incredible moment.
I don't know.
I'm not a parent, so I don'tknow you all are, I'm not to
Melanie.

Tony (47:21):
I will tell you the clearest video I saw of it in
its entirety and I was ainnocent tidy, not clips Now
people with their edits.
The clearest one I saw was onTikTok.
I will try to find a better oneand I will try to send it to
you.
I think everybody need to seeit in its entirety, I'm think,
to fully understand and fullyget a grasp on what it was,
instead of just a snippet staywas everybody just showed the
highlights.

Carmen (47:40):
Yeah, but you can just Google it.

Tony (47:41):
It's not that long, tony, don't make it sound like no, I
couldn't find it on YouTubecouple days ago.

Carmen (47:45):
I could not find it on Google, alabama brawl or
whatever, and you'll find it.

Tony (47:51):
Montgomery.
Montgomery Riverfront brawl.
Montgomery Riverfront brawl.
Youtube did not have any videos.
I was looking about two threedays ago.

Carmen (47:59):
No, no, I'm saying she can do Google and then go to a
news source of her choice,because they were all covering
it and a lot of them.
That's how I looked at it itwas.
I mean I did see it.
I saw it on TikTok first, butthen I went because you know me
do my research, but I went and,yeah, I mean you can find it and

(48:20):
you can, you can look at it,you can look at the clips and
you can figure it out.
I don't think I'm not.
I'm not trying to be rude, butit's really not a diff.
I'm just gonna say like it'snot a hard thing to figure out
when you watch it.
It's not hard.
There's no AI, there's noediting happening.

Tony (48:39):
Who did see the video?
My man that was up top in theblue shirt when he was standing
over real, he stopped and lookedand then he ran down there.
I said, yeah, he come.
The rest of the fleet.
He was pretty much one of myheroes in there.
He brought everybody else onboard.

Carmen (48:49):
Yeah, I just think it's an unfortunate.
I wish we could talk about thiswithout race.
I really do.
I would love, I hope, that inmy lifetime I will be able to
look at a situation and notconsider race.
I really do.
I would love that moment tohappen in my lifetime.
I swear I know a lot of peoplecan live like that.

(49:10):
I don't.
I see, I see things and myfirst thought is what did I do
wrong you?

Rick (49:18):
know it's funny that we watch a lot of old Star Trek the
original one, and today theyshow the one where it's the race
where Half the face is whiteand half the face is black, but
then there's the other peoplethat I reverse.
So if you're white and thisside blacks decide, then you're
one thing, but if it's reversed,they hate you and it's like we
look at like that.
So stupid, exactly.

Carmen (49:40):
That's like a what was it?
Also, the Twilight Zone had asimilar Show like that, you know
.
I mean all these things talkabout race all the time and
still doesn't help.
People don't get it.
What my favorite part is is somany people that are into sci-fi
and into all of these shows,and they are the most racist
people I've ever met.

(50:00):
That is the thing that bogglesmy mind.
How can you watch Star Trek orany of these shows and be a
racist piece of shit is beyondme.

Tony (50:13):
I'm sorry because the ones who are doing the space
traveling are the ones who themost elite and the ones with the
most money.

Carmen (50:19):
What are you talking about now?
What?

Tony (50:21):
a lot of the ones through the traveling to the different
cultures, to the differentplanets.
One they can afford it orthey're a part of their culture.
When you go to these differentplanets you realize some of them
don't have any type of spacetechnology.
They also have people who don't.

Carmen (50:33):
Okay, I'm not trying to geek out on, not tonight.
Not tonight because I'm here'sthe thing like, if you're just
looking at the Enterprise crew,how can you even be racist like
it?
Just Work with them.
I'm not about going into othercultures, is just.

Andrea (50:50):
I agree in.

Carmen (50:50):
Roddenberry's whole point was about us.
We are all more alike thanunelect.
That was his whole point, andthat's a quote by Maya Angelou,
by the way, I don't want to takethat from her.
It's because they're dumbexactly.

Andrea (51:02):
Thank you, Ash of course , of course.

Carmen (51:04):
That's what it is.
Um, okay, before we end this,I'm all here.
I just want to talk about sagafter strike today, because I
actually went and I Andrea'sgonna fall off her chair.
I actually went and did mystrike today.
I have on my shirt.
You walked around.

Andrea (51:22):
I know, you know me.

Carmen (51:23):
I never do protests, I've never do nothing, but there
any celebrities?
I'm sorry.
So were there any celebrities?
And that Benning was there, um,and she is extraordinarily
lovely.
I was at the Culver City one,which is at Fox Studios, and
this is this was my first timeat the strike.
Joy, I don't know if you knowabout the strike that's going on

(51:44):
with sag after it.
Oh, you do.
Okay, sorry, and Tony, you knowright, um, and I'm part of sag
after.
So I went today and I'm gonnatry to go twice a week.
I was only there for an hourand a half, but it was Amazing.
There were a lot of peoplethere, a lot of celebrities and,
um, I don't have to a lot ofselect there.

(52:04):
I mean, annette Benning was thethe biggest one I saw, but
there had been before I gotthere and after I left, um, and
they're always there.
Um, they won't.
They want more celebritiesbecause it brings More note.
What do you call it like?

Rick (52:19):
No right.

Carmen (52:20):
No, right, yeah, whatever attention, thank you.
So it was great.
I just want to say this I met alot of people at the strike, a
lot of just regular workingpeople.
I met a man in his 70s.
There were a lot of olderpeople there who have been
actors and you know, and you'rewalking, so you're holding your
pickets on, you just starttalking to people and it's heart

(52:42):
wrenching to hear older peoplewho've been in this business 40,
50 years and Haven't been ableto make enough money to have
health insurance.
So the threshold to be an actorevery year to get health
insurance through the unionwhich, by the way, I don't get
because I don't work as an actorOkay, um, even though I am an

(53:05):
actor, um, it's twenty sixthousand dollars a year.
So you have to make twenty sixthousand dollars a year as an
actor in order to be able To getthe insurance through sag after
.
That's the minimum threshold.
Okay, the reason why I bringthis up is not because there I
don't have some issues with that.
Like, everyone should be ableto get health care.

(53:25):
That's a whole otherconversation.
But I want people to understandthat 98% of the actors Do not
have this ability to get healthinsurance and don't even make
twenty six thousand dollars ayear.
So they all have second jobs.
So I just want to.

Rick (53:46):
What?
Or three, or four, I mean.

Carmen (53:48):
So I just want to give a shout out to sag.
After we also had writers,guilds are also in the strike
with us, so that was kind ofcool.
I mean it's not, but it wascool.
Okay, here's the fun part.
We're walking at the gate and,of course, all the people going
into Fox studios In their carsand my sign was like sag after a

(54:10):
honk, please.
And they can't honk.
They can't because they workfor the studios, so, but it was
really kind of fun.
And other people honking, likeall of the big truckers that
were going by, all the likeplumbers who are going by all
the big trucks.
So it was really cool and andand I hope people can understand

(54:31):
that we're fighting forsomething Way bigger.
It's not just about actors, andI'm not trying to make you feel
sorry for actors.
We're fighting for all of us tomake sure that we're not taken
over by artificial intelligence.
What did you want to ask?

Tony (54:51):
was a Factor in some of the strike number one.
Number two Did you see LeslieJones's video on tick tock?
I thought she did.
I'll stand up with her stanceon the strike.

Carmen (54:58):
She's amazing.
Yeah, so the issue with artlook at, I love artificial
intelligence.
I sent you all a link to myblog post.
I am not.
I see it as a tool, right?
So I'm not against.
Look it's here.
It's technology.
I'm excited for it.
I love technology.
It's, it's my, it's why I knowall of you now well, andrea,
I've known forever in person,but I mean I would have never

(55:20):
met any of you.
So the problem is, is thatartificial intelligence?
I'll give you a great example.
I asked AI to create a Versionof a picture from Stanley
Kubrick's movie 2001 a spaceOdyssey for my blog post.

(55:41):
It's on that.
So AI on Bing, it's a Bing islike the easiest one for me to
use.
I'm not using open AI orwhatever chat GBT, okay, because
Bing has integrated it into it.
So I asked it to do it and itdid it.
It pulled and it gave me allthese different ones and I
posted it.
Here's the problem the creatorof the poster for 2001 a space

(56:05):
Odyssey, this iconic posterthey're not getting paid for
that.
Hmm, it was just pulled from.
So, and that's what's like mybook.
If you ask AI about my book.
It will pull chapters from it.
I'm not getting any money forthat.

Tony (56:20):
This is the thing with AI and I want to cut you off.
I apologize.
It already knows what you'vedone on the internet for Google
already knows that too, that'smy point.
All of it is linked.
One of the biggest problemswith AI is going to tell any and
everything You've ever done inthe internet.
A lot of people are in troubleWith any question that's asked
the same way through Google aseries, or as jeans or acts,

(56:42):
alexa all of them you can askany random question about
anybody and it's going to giveyou an answer, whether you
wanted to get that answer or not.
It's going to give an answerbased on what you've done, what
you said or how you acted inpublic in probably afraid of
Tony, what you do, what you doCome on, tell us, ai gonna tell
us anyway.
I ain't the problem.

Carmen (57:05):
I ain't the problem look it if you are embarrassed not
you, but if anyone.
If you don't want something onthe interwebs, you should have
thought of that a long-ass timeago, because that's that's not
what I'm talking about.
That stuff is already out there, people.
It's not going anywhere.
What did I say when I met you,tony?

Tony (57:25):
Internet is for ever and, trust me, ai is about the proof
hook, correct?
They need to cut you a check.

Carmen (57:30):
No, I love AI because I look at I my blog post like, if
you know, you know, I wrote, youknow what was it that I wrote?
Rick, it's a tee, earl gray hot, yeah, right, that's, patrick.
Stewart, you know Jean-LucPicard ordering his tee all the
time on Star Trek, on theholodeck or in his office.

(57:50):
I want to get there.
I want to get to that place.
This is how it happens, butthere are bumps along the way
and we can't lose creativity andhonoring people's work and
honoring what people do Justbecause of technology.
And that's part of what sag isfighting for.
Tony, you asked what they werefighting for.
The studios want to take a scanof me, right, they want to take

(58:15):
one scan of me, full-body scan,back, front sides, whatever.
Pay me for one day of work soas a sag actor that might be, I
don't know like three or fourhundred bucks, right.
And then use my image and mylikeness in anything they want
in the background and make itmove with motion graphics or
whatever.

Tony (58:34):
I was thinking that.
I was thinking that already.
Yeah, I want to do thank you.
I was thinking that already.

Rick (58:38):
Yes, they can make a whole movie, carmen be the star of
the show, and she won't get nomoney.

Carmen (58:42):
Exactly or have a say in how I come across like I.

Andrea (58:49):
You don't get to say no, I don't actually want to be a
part of that, you know yeah sothat's one of the things that
they're fighting for and that'sfor all of us.

Carmen (58:58):
That's not, you know, I mean I I used a.

Andrea (59:03):
I had to write an outline to write something, and
I asked it to write an outlinefor me, which was great, right,
getting started is the hardestpart.
So I was like, all right, youknow, I take, you know I didn't
have it right for me, but like,though, that's the kind of tool
I can use, that's good.
But some of this other crap Imean especially the stuff the
studios are trying to pull withthe writers and the actors is

(59:25):
just, you know, it'sunacceptable.
It's unacceptable.

Tony (59:28):
I think another key point that Carmen made was this isn't
just about the actress, peoplebehind the scenes as well, the
writers reduces the Industriesas well.
Yes.

Carmen (59:39):
Yeah, right, well, and.

Andrea (59:41):
I mean you know sort of Hollywood or whatever the
industry specific those of youknow the actors are the face of
it, but certainly in LA LA is abig Union town, it's a big
company town.
There are people, hair people,makeup people, caterers, set
dressers, all you know thelighting, people, the effects

(01:00:03):
there's.
It's just this ripple effectacross the entire region.
Really, you know, I mean it'sother places as well, but you
know, here kind of morespecifically, because there's so
much but people, those are thepeople who are also potentially
losing their homes.
And I saw a story.

Tony (01:00:22):
What the actor said, billy Porter.
It might have been Billy Porter.
He was about to lose his homeor whatever.

Carmen (01:00:29):
He's selling his house because he, which is kind of sad
when you think Billy Porter isone of the most magnificent
talents of our time.
He works all the time.
He is playing James ball, jamesBaldwin, in an upcoming movie
and that's been Pushed aside.
So he's now selling his homeand he's not saying it to be
Like, oh, what was me?

(01:00:49):
He's saying this affects us allbecause even though he makes
money and works all the time, healso lives paycheck to paycheck
.
Now I want to talk to him aboutmaybe his lifestyle choices at
the moment.
Maybe he's to bring it down andnot.
Maybe he's not like spend youknow, three thousand dollars on

(01:01:09):
a shirt, I have no idea.
But he's a fashion icon, welove him.
But you know, I mean he wasmaking a great film.
We love him.
But you know, I mean he wasmaking a great point and it's
kind of weird to hear somebodylike Billy Porter Am I saying
his name right?
It's not sound report that'syeah.
Um In this predicament, but I'mso glad he shared his story.

(01:01:31):
You know, because that's whatwe need is more stars Telling
the truth of the situationthey're in.
Because you know you have tobehave as if in this town,
whether you got money or not,you got to pretend like you got
so much.
You know that's what the facadeis.

Andrea (01:01:52):
They have to be out there, like they've already made
it when they haven't, so thatthey can then get.

Carmen (01:01:59):
Yeah, yeah, I mean.
One of the reasons why I don'twork in this town it's cuz it's
so hard if you don't have anetwork or if you're not willing
to.
You know Bling bling with theall of them or whatever it's
hard to get your foot in thedoor.
And then, even when you do getyour foot in the door, when I
had this one big movie I did, Iwas so excited and I hate that
it's on, it's on my IMDb and myscene got cut.

(01:02:21):
Okay, I gotta find my earringafterwards, but my scene got cut
, which was devastating andheartbreaking.
But then that also doesn't giveyou the propelling Kind of
information to move on to thenext thing.
So if somebody sees you on thebig screen, even if you just

(01:02:41):
have a little short, short scene, you can use that as part of
your demo or business card tosay, hey, look it, I was in this
movie with all these big starsand here's my little clip.
Can I do this next movie withyou?
And you really have to be ago-getter and really want to
hustle and a lot of these actorsdo and I was like I need to be
able to put food on the tableand rent.
So that's why I don't alwayswork and when I do I try to do

(01:03:04):
theater, because then it's justfor my joy.
But you don't think I want towork as an actor every day.
Of course I would just likeeveryone else in this town, you
know.
But it's a hard living out here.
People are confusing thecelebrity Situation because
y'all think about Hayley Berryor Jennifer Lopez or whoever you

(01:03:25):
know, all the big stars orwhatever.
You're not thinking about allthe people you see in the movie
whose names you don't know, youknow, or in the TV shows, and
the coffee shops are walking byin the background or whatever.
Those are the actors thatwithout them would not you'd not
be able to film a movie becauseit would just be stagnant.

(01:03:47):
Yeah you know, yeah, so givesome love to SAG after, if you
can support them, even with justtalking to your friends and
family, so they get a betterunderstanding of what this
fights about.
I would really appreciate that.
I love my union, I love thistown so much and Ray knows I do,
I love it and yeah, I Was gonnaput a ticker up but I felt that

(01:04:10):
might be too much to make youall like spend money and buy a
t-shirt.
But I won't, that's too much.
They're not part of theindustry.
But just you know, if you canjust share that with other
people, that it's not about the2%, 1% or Other actors who are
making tons of money.
It's about real hard-workingpeople who do what they do
because they love it and thinkabout this too.

Rick (01:04:31):
If we don't get a resolution soon, we're gonna
only have reruns to watch, andyou know old stuff.
They're coming out new.

Carmen (01:04:38):
Well, so here's what's the scary part.
That may not be true.
If you know who.
What's the guy's name?
Iger from Disney, bob Iger fromDisney, who I loved for a
minute when we're talking aboutFlorida.
But now I have an issue.
You know he turned around andhe had said before the sag
actors started striking the daybefore, he said we're just gonna

(01:05:01):
wait them out until they alllose their homes.
Wow, and you know.
Yeah, yeah so there and here'sthe thing, there are people who
are non-union actors andinfluencers on tiktok who are
being approached by the studiosand they're they're scabbing,
which means they're walkingthrough the line and they're

(01:05:24):
taking jobs because the studiosyou know what I mean Like so
maybe you won't, but you won'tget the quality actors that it
takes to be a.
It takes a lot to become a sagafter actor.
You know so.
I hope people don't scab, butthey're already doing it.
You know so.
I don't know, people gotta dowhat they gotta do, but if you

(01:05:48):
do, scab the union and you dowork for these people and you're
a non-union actor, saga haspromised you will never work in
this town again as a sag.
Yeah, he will never be able tojoin the actors.
Guilt.

Tony (01:06:03):
I got a question for you.
This may be controversial.

Carmen (01:06:08):
Tony.

Tony (01:06:10):
I'm gonna say.
I'm gonna say like this forreal, because what you all have
going on I want to see what'sgoing on in California isn't new
, because there's always sometype of controversy.
Do you think any of this hasanything to do with shutting
down studios in Californiaspecifically itself?

Carmen (01:06:23):
What are you talking about?
Shutting down studios?

Tony (01:06:26):
Do you think you're trying to?
You mean like?

Andrea (01:06:27):
moving out like moving to Georgia or Vancouver or
whatever.

Tony (01:06:34):
Yes, I'm, we're talking about studios.

Carmen (01:06:36):
We're not talking about real estate.

Tony (01:06:38):
We're talking about entities, so Like there's Fox
trying to stop production inCalifornia and take it somewhere
else.

Carmen (01:06:46):
This is just about California.
This strike is happeningeverywhere.

Tony (01:06:49):
That's what I'm asking.
That's what I'm asking.

Carmen (01:06:50):
No, no, no so but when we're talking about okay.
So there's two different things.
And I'm not trying to be rude,I just was trying to understand.
No, you're fine, right?

Tony (01:06:56):
so.

Carmen (01:06:58):
So when we're talking about Disney, we're not talking
about Disney in California,we're talking about Disney as a
corporation.
We film everywhere.
Actually, it took a lot forGavin Newsom, the governor, to
get people to start filming backin California, because
everybody was filming outside ofCalifornia and going to Canada.
But the studios make money, nomatter where you film.

(01:07:19):
They don't care.
Now, if you think, or if whatyou're actually saying is, do
you think we're trying to changethat the conglomerate of you
know corporate studios Shouldn'tbe as powerful as they are, as
the independent studios are?
I Don't think that's our fightright now.
That's not our fight.

(01:07:40):
Our fight is treat creativepeople, writers and actors who
create this stuff With dignityyou know what I mean and and pay
them a decent wage.
What is this in his background?
You snooze, you lose, don'tdrive drowsy.
Oh, I thought I saw that before, but I don't think I ever read

(01:08:02):
the whole thing.
I.

Tony (01:08:04):
Put that up there and, if you don't mind, I can break it
down to you.
I put that up there because,2009, I was driving home I so
driving Alabama from here goingto drill I fell asleep and flip
my truck.
Oh, it was February 2009, aboutsix in the morning when it
happened.

Carmen (01:08:30):
You're going in and out sound wise sorry, I have worked
full week.

Tony (01:08:35):
Previous weekends I had traveled every week, I think.

Carmen (01:08:40):
Am I the only one not hearing him?

Rick (01:08:42):
it's muffled.
It was better before I know itchanged.

Carmen (01:08:45):
Yeah, maybe you're holding it the wrong way or
something.
I don't know like I.

Rick (01:08:52):
I.

Tony (01:08:54):
Um, I will work and go out of town and I went like four
weekend straight.
I think it caught up with thatone.
One night, when I was driving,I literally somebody woke me up.
It was like 100 degrees or more.

Carmen (01:09:06):
Yep, no, you're still not old.
Am I gonna be horrible for meto edit?

Tony (01:09:11):
I am so sorry.

Carmen (01:09:13):
Now, you're fine, I'm trying not to be loud because
he's laying down.

Tony (01:09:16):
I'm sorry.

Carmen (01:09:18):
Oh, I was driving.

Tony (01:09:21):
I fell asleep.
It was like 20 degrees in themorning in February.
20 minutes later somebody wokeme up after the accident.
On the wrong road, wrongcircumstances, I probably would
have died.
Oh man, because it was free.
Like I said, it's belowfreezing.
You sit out there long enough,you're done.
So I always tell people I'vedriven on a lot of crazy
conditions.
But as far as driving tired, Idon't do that anymore.
I will take a nap.
I demand taking that before anyRoad trip.

(01:09:43):
For the most part, especiallyif you're on a country road,
when I drive I'm only on thehighway.
I got scenery, I got action.
You know you even die betweenyou folks trying to keep
yourself awake.
If you're on the back road withnothing, you'll probably pass
out.
Yeah, I realize it.
So that's why I got that upthere from what I went through.

Carmen (01:09:58):
No, no, I, I didn't know that I'm.
I'm glad you made it through,though.

Tony (01:10:02):
Appreciate it.

Carmen (01:10:03):
Yeah, and I'm glad you're changing the way in which
you Drive and teach you, I stoppushing myself.

Tony (01:10:10):
I really start pushing myself because I was like I can
make it.
I can make it.
Get a cup of coffee.
You know, don't worry about it,you're doing.
Drink so much coffee beforeyour body crashes.
Yeah just being honest.

Carmen (01:10:19):
And I think driving takes a lot of coordination.
Tonight I'm always shocked that, like I always get away from
people when I can tell they'reon their cell phone, Um don't
get me started on that.

Tony (01:10:31):
I've been doing that for 20 years.

Carmen (01:10:34):
I'm just, I don't.
Well, I mean, if you're worriedabout you should be careful
about that too.

Tony (01:10:38):
I'm you gotta be careful and you know a lot of people do
it anyway when you use GPS ontheir phone, so it's not always
text messaging.

Carmen (01:10:45):
But, GPS is different because you can just watch it
and listen.
I'm watching people, you knowyes, On the highway.

Tony (01:10:52):
I've done it relentlessly.
It's nothing for me to text anddrive while I'm on the highway.
It's a straight shot.
I got a distance.
I don't have to worry about toomuch the back roads in the city
.
I agree with you.

Carmen (01:11:01):
Yeah, I'd be away from you.
I would see you do that.

Tony (01:11:03):
I would drive you nuts.
I would drive you nutsseriously.

Carmen (01:11:05):
I get away from you, I would drive you nuts, you people
all about the joy.

Rick (01:11:09):
Does not recommend texting and driving.

Carmen (01:11:15):
And and and I also think it's just weird like that
people Uh take it for grantedthat like I just saw somebody
walking across the street andI'm in the car and there's a car
in front of them and they'rejust texting what casual like
when I'm crossing the streetwalking, I'm hustling, I go
quickly.
So I'm always shocked thatpeople like they're trusting

(01:11:35):
that a car is going to stop forthem.

Tony (01:11:38):
I'm like um, Josh, I did see that Hi.

Carmen (01:11:41):
Josh Teslas are now.

Tony (01:11:45):
Auto, not autonomous, autonomous driver.
Okay, yeah, they drivethemselves.
I was seeing that.

Carmen (01:11:50):
Yeah, I don't trust that yet.

Tony (01:11:51):
I love AI, but I'm not ready for that.

Carmen (01:11:54):
We have cars here who are their driver lists and they
have all the stuff on them.
They're google cars.
Actually, they're not tesla andjenna do you guys have those?
Where you are, have you gotten?
The google cars, those thingsmake me out no.

Rick (01:12:08):
I've heard some people are doing pranks and putting the
road cone things on top of thecamera on the roof so that the
car gets see.
That's not why would you do?
That.
Why would you do that?
No, it's not funny, like whywould you do such a stupid thing
?

Carmen (01:12:20):
because I think you can't see and it's not getting
the radar thing, it's gonna killsomebody so stupid?

Tony (01:12:25):
people are nuts.

Carmen (01:12:26):
I don't even know if that's okay.
Whatever, I'm tired, you guys.

Tony (01:12:30):
We should throw a topic.

Carmen (01:12:31):
Let me ask you.

Tony (01:12:31):
What's your third topic?
No, well, I.

Carmen (01:12:34):
I wanted to give a shout out to people in hawaii.
Last I heard 53 people had diedin the fires there.
I know, and you know, it's soweird in california we have so
many fires and stuff and it'snot that we're used to it, but
we kind of are, but we nevertalk about hawaii.
So I'm just yeah, and it's onmaui island and uh, 53 last time

(01:12:59):
I got the update.

Tony (01:13:01):
So send us about two hours ago.
I agree with you, yes.

Carmen (01:13:03):
Yeah, and if anybody wants to send money or send any
donations, please go to thewebsite first.
Um to the maui county dot govsite.
Um, just to check out thelegitimate, because here's the
other thing that's happening.
There are crooks who alwaystake advantage of situations,

(01:13:24):
who are trying to say thatthey're raising money.
Please don't trust those people.
Go to the site maui county govand they have legitimate sources
there that are Helping peoplethere.
Melanie said I saw one of thosedriverless cars at a date for
you.
We see them all the time here.
It's very freaky and the reasonwhy you know they are it's
because they have all that weirdstuff all over the place.

(01:13:45):
So, and then there's no one inthe front seat.
I guess that's the big clue.
But, um, let me see I was gonnamention I should have brought
this up during the redneckhillbilly conversation.
I was gonna say one of my newfavorite words that I guess I'm
just learning is people sayingthe caucasity of things.

(01:14:07):
Have you guys heard?

Tony (01:14:09):
That's new to you.
That's new to you.

Carmen (01:14:12):
You guys have heard that .

Tony (01:14:14):
I think I've heard it once .
I've heard of the few timesover the past 10 years I've
heard Joy, have you heard that?

Carmen (01:14:19):
I have not.
I lost my mind.
Okay, you haven't heard iteither.
The caucasity, like they'retalking like I just think it's
funny.
So that was like my newfavorite word of the week.
I thought it was interesting.
Um, yeah, that's it.
I talked about everything LikeI was a little bit too hyped and
upset and I'm I'm I'mapologizing because you guys are

(01:14:40):
my friends and you're seeing apart of me that you never see.
So I'm very sorry, but the racething, yeah, so I apologize
again.
I just got to say it one moretime.
Well, thank you so much forcoming by.

(01:15:01):
I appreciate it.
Oh, melanie, heard I hear acaucasity a lot.
That's why I heard it.
Um, I'm, you know I'm, I'mlearning all these new verbiagey
things you know like, oh, Ilove that for you.
It's like a diss withoutactually being a diss.

(01:15:22):
I love that for you but theother one is I love that for us,
you know, I mean like I lovethat for us, which is another
one.
And and then I'm thinking, I, I, I forgot what the other one
was.
Rick, what was it?
We talked about it last time.
Um, I Forget what it was, butthere's like, so I'm trying to
learn all these new wordsbecause it's, you know, keeping

(01:15:42):
me with Up with the children.

Tony (01:15:46):
Right now it's keeping up with the times, because even
grown folks who are children,we're just doing our local
children.
There are grown folks who arechildren right now.
You're just keeping up with thetimes.

Carmen (01:15:55):
All right, all right, all right, well, everyone, oh,
bless your heart.
No, no, no, but it's somethinglike that, it's not like you're
first, you're at the classic,that's everyone.

Tony (01:16:06):
Get enjoy, get, enjoy, get them.

Joy (01:16:10):
Bless your heart and the tone you say it in.
Yeah can mean sympathy, canmean compassion, or it can do
that.
I mean you're stupid.

Tony (01:16:21):
You're stupid, it's like I mean bless your heart, okay,
the other one that is like blessyour heart is Joy.

Carmen (01:16:28):
Have the day you deserve .

Rick (01:16:29):
Oh yeah.

Carmen (01:16:35):
Joy, seriously, have the day you deserve.
I love that one.
Yeah, those are my new friends.
That's like bless your heart.
Sweet, sweet smile on your face.
Tony, have the day you deserve.

Tony (01:16:48):
God.

Carmen (01:16:55):
Oh my god, Andrea, you missed when he was all last week
.
Oh, whenever it was.
It was about last month, Ithink oh my see, it felt like
just last week.

Tony (01:17:05):
You took me out when you were showing the clips, Andrea.
He was saying I was bougie.

Carmen (01:17:10):
I just want you as one of my best friends in my bougie.

Tony (01:17:13):
Take your time, andrea, yeah girl you are?

Andrea (01:17:17):
what are you?
Thank you?
Are we arguing that you're not,because I take it as.

Carmen (01:17:25):
No, no, no, I take it as a compliment.
Okay yeah, Okay yeah, hethought he was dissing me.

Tony (01:17:30):
She's now.
I wasn't dissing the rest ofthe way I embraced being bougie.
I was laughing, I watched thereplay and I was.
I was cracking up too.

Carmen (01:17:37):
Okay, but the reason why they say I'm bougie is because
they asked okay, andrea, let me,let me ask you the question,
andrea.

Rick (01:17:43):
Let me just ask.

Carmen (01:17:44):
Andrea.
Andrea's from California.
Let's ask Andrea the question.
Let's see what she says.
Andrea, tony and who was it?
Tony and Brian.
I want to come out to SantaMonica.
They want to stay in SantaMonica, where I live.
Would you suggest some hotels?
And when you suggest the hotels, can you tell them how much

(01:18:04):
they would cost where you wouldstay?

Andrea (01:18:08):
Just let it go, I would probably want to stay at the
Fairmont.

Carmen (01:18:13):
No, I'm telling you it's the Fairmont for one night.
Just let it go.

Andrea (01:18:17):
Just let it go Off the top of my head, I would say it's
probably 800 bucks a night, Idon't know.

Tony (01:18:25):
Thank you, why you announce it like you will.
Um, chris is right.
One of the leaders on the backside.
How much is this?
How much is that?

Andrea (01:18:33):
Come on now.
I mean, I didn't want to staythere, but that's where I would
want to stay.

Carmen (01:18:41):
But Andrea, even Oceanside, which is right here
around the corner, you knowwe've walked by my house, even
that is like 600 and I wasgiving you guys the bargain,
she's giving you 800.
I told you that this one's fivefifth.
I wrote a list for them andlike five, fifty to six fifty a
night.

Tony (01:18:57):
I promise you, I have got to find that clip.
And they were calling me andthey and we found a hotel that
was about five ten minutes whereI think it was, and you was
like, no, it's going to be toofar away with traffic.
And we like, okay, cool, sherecommended something Oceanside.
We was like I found a problem.
She said four hundred and nine.
I was like what?
Air BNB?

Joy (01:19:16):
Yeah, I'm like no Air BNB is going to cost at least that
much.

Andrea (01:19:21):
This is the neighborhood .
It's the neighborhood, yeah,but I've been.

Carmen (01:19:23):
I've been tagged as being bougie and they think it's
a diss and I'm like, thank you,we was cracking.

Tony (01:19:31):
We just like things the way she likes them.

Andrea (01:19:33):
That's right.
Yes, all right.
This is the third time I'mtrying to get off this damn
thing with you people.

Carmen (01:19:40):
I'm tired.
Some people work all day.
Okay, nobody on this call.

Tony (01:19:46):
I was supposed to be at work tonight, but I couldn't
make it, because I had to getJason for the next few days, so
I was actually home tonight, sothis is a perfect time.
Well, thank you, I appreciateyou coming on.

Carmen (01:19:56):
Actually I do and I appreciate you supporting us so
much.
I'm so sorry.
I thought I included you in thelink thing, so I'm glad you
reached out to me.
No, I want you here always.
No, she doesn't just cry at me.
She did that to me all the timeand it gets me.

Tony (01:20:12):
Joey is so wrong.
Yeah, I actually got tears forTony that day.
She did like Jason States mom.
And what was that?
I was in Shaw when she wasstill crying.
He always started tearing up.
She was like I got you, oh my.

Carmen (01:20:29):
God, I already felt bad because I was screaming, because
you were talking aboutsomething and I, you know, went
off and I was like Joey is thenice, I wasn't disagreeing with
you, I know, but I get verypassionate and I know like my
whole flavorfuls from the streetcomes out, but that was holding
back, still was holding back,but it's still not the way you

(01:20:53):
guys know me.

Tony (01:20:54):
She was holding back because people don't know, after
five to 10 minutes she willactually leave wherever she's at
and cut the whole thing off.

Carmen (01:21:01):
You know what?
That's not true.
What are you talking about?

Tony (01:21:05):
Don't play with me.
Don't play with me.
I got to go.
I cannot Goodbye.

Carmen (01:21:10):
Okay, but that's not when I, when I'm not in control
of the show.

Tony (01:21:13):
This is not show.

Rick (01:21:15):
That's what she's like when I'm on other people's show.

Carmen (01:21:17):
I'm not going to disrespect them, Just going to
get out because I don't want toput up with that crap you know
what I mean.

Tony (01:21:22):
Like that's a different thing.
She coming like Mariah Carey.
I will shut all this down.

Carmen (01:21:28):
Oh my God, oh my God.
Tony, you are a lot of work,but it's so much fun to have.

Tony (01:21:34):
I am good energy.
When are you going to learn?

Carmen (01:21:37):
I know you're good energy, oh God, all right.
Okay, fifth time's the charm.
Fifth time's the charm.
Everyone, thank you so much forstopping by.
I hope you'll visit with usnext week.

Tony (01:21:48):
Joy, good seeing you.
Rick, good seeing you Andrew,good seeing you again for the
first time.

Carmen (01:21:51):
Why are you talking over me while I'm trying to speak to
the people?

Rick (01:21:55):
And do not like share and subscribe.

Carmen (01:21:58):
We don't even.
You know what's so funny.
Let me give a shout out toLinkedIn again.
We almost at 300 people onLinkedIn.
The thing is that's weird.
Look at.
The thing that's weird aboutLinkedIn is that these are not
people who are connected to mein any way.
I just find them fascinatingand wonderful.
Okay, thank you everyone.
Have a good one.
We'll see you next week.

(01:22:18):
Thanks for stopping by.
All about the joy Be better andstay beautiful folks.
Have a sweet day.

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