September 25, 2025 • 41 mins
Raw, unfiltered, and desperately needed - Carmen and Andrea tackle America's most uncomfortable truths in this powerful episode that dives headfirst into the forces shaping our divided nation.
The conversation begins with a stark assessment of current leadership, examining the embarrassment many Americans feel watching their representatives on the world stage. When a president tells global leaders "your countries are going to hell," what does that reveal about America's place in the world? More troublingly, why has there been such a complete absence of moral courage among those who should serve as guardrails?
"When does money and fake power become less important than actual morality?" Carmen asks, cutting to the heart of what's happening across American institutions. The Disney-Jimmy Kimmel controversy becomes a perfect case study - change happened not because it was right, but because subscribers were canceling and celebrities were speaking out. The sobering reality: in America today, money moves mountains while morality barely shifts pebbles.
The most profound moments come when Carmen and Andrea share their contrasting experiences with police. Andrea describes being let off easy after admitting to drinking before driving, while Carmen recounts police calling for backup when she was simply waiting for a store to open. These aren't just stories - they're lived examples of how race shapes American reality, revealing why honest conversations about privilege and racism remain essential.
For listeners struggling to understand concepts like systemic racism, this episode offers clarity without condescension. If you aren't racist, Carmen explains, you don't need to take on that label personally - but denying racism exists altogether reveals more than you might intend.
Join us for this crucial conversation that reminds us why speaking difficult truths matters now more than ever. As Carmen and Andrea prove, progress begins with honesty, even when that honesty makes us uncomfortable.
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Carmen Lezeth (00:00):
Hey everyone.
Welcome to All About the Joy.
This is Culture and Consequencewith Carmen and Andrea.
Okay.
I'm sorry, say that again,Andrea.
Hi.
Hi.
How are you?
I'm great.
How are you?
I'm great too.
No.
Andrea (00:18):
Okay.
Good chat.
Nice checking in.
Good chat.
It's you know what?
It's I'm just, I'm, I'm, yeah.
You know what?
I made the mistake this morningof I'm like, I'm just gonna see
what's going on in the news.
Instead of just reading, likelooking at my regular whatever,
I was like, let me just seewhat's going on in the news.
And of course, I open upwhatever YouTube, TV, or
(00:39):
whatever.
And there is Donald Trumpspeaking to, I believe, the
president of Turkey, Erdogan.
Is that how you say I don'teven know how to say his last
name?
I think that's how you say it.
Something I don't I doesn'tmatter.
It doesn't matter.
I wasn't even I was shook byagain the amount of tacky ass
(01:00):
gold.
Andrea, what is that?
It's a national embarrassment,is what it is.
On many, many levels.
Like every time he speaks, it'sjust like, oh my god, oh my
god, what is happening rightnow?
(01:21):
It's just so cringe.
There's a word that the Germanshave for secondhand
embarrassment.
I can't I can't remember whatit is right now, but it's like
you're so embarrassed forsomebody else who's too fucking
stupid to be embarrassed forthemselves.
Carmen Lezeth (01:37):
Anyway, yeah, no, no, no.
I and again, so we can talkabout the word the we have so
much to talk about, but I just Iwas like, why is the White
House so gaudy tacky?
Like the decor, and you knowme, I'm all about decor.
I'm not, I don't, but it's likewhat I noticed again, and it
(01:57):
just totally bothered me.
But yeah, I'm I'm embarrassedon so many levels for us, and
you know, he would he couldn'tsay the word, which I forgive
him for this.
I know Andrea's gonna hit meright now, because he couldn't
say the talent and all, right?
He couldn't say a set of fitum.
I can't say the I can't say iteither.
(02:17):
I actually have a stutterthough.
And here's the thing if JoeBiden had said it, they would
have crucified him, right?
Andrea (02:23):
And you're not the president of the United States
saying people shouldn't betaking Tylenol.
Carmen Lezeth (02:28):
So right, but here's the thing too.
Like I would have practiced, Iwould have practiced, I would
have been on point, maybe wouldhave learned how to say it ahead
of time.
I would have learned how to sayit, I would have figured out,
or I would have figured out analternative.
I would have done my homework,my research to make sure that I
came across correctly and thatthe American people understood.
(02:50):
But you know what?
Who cares about him not beingable to say the word?
What the fuck with the Tylenolthing?
And let me just give you anupdate, just for one second.
Dr.
Oz and JD Vance, who werestanding behind him as he was
talking about how bad Tylenol isand that pregnant women
shouldn't take, today were bothin separate places talking
(03:14):
about, I believe one of them wasFox News, about walking that
shit back.
They're saying that it's nottrue.
And so why would you standthere and let the president of
the United States give thispress conference and not?
I I I don't get it.
Okay, I'm overly frustrated.
Andrea (03:33):
Back to um a few previous episodes, uh, which
will clearly be a running themehere.
Uh, they're cowards.
There's just a total lack ofcourage.
And and in these, I mean, withthese specific people, they have
ulterior motives, right?
They want to be there close topower and they want to shoot
(03:56):
their shot and have their chanceand all of that.
So they're not going to youknow disrupt that by disagreeing
or correcting, god forbid, oranything like that.
Carmen Lezeth (04:08):
When is that second to your moral core?
Andrea (04:12):
Like, when do you when you're a modern day Republican?
That's that's when that, youknow what I mean?
Like that, there is no moralcore.
There's no moral core.
There's gotta be a moral coresomewhere.
Carmen Lezeth (04:24):
Does there?
Because I'm not seeing it.
No, I'm not seeing it, but I'msaying, when does okay, so let's
say that the Republican Party,like you're right.
I I honestly don't understandwhy some of these Republicans
are standing by this bullsitery,like and some of the stuff.
Let's talk about the UN.
Let's talk about what he saidat the UN.
I I wrote it out, I printedthis shit out.
(04:46):
Okay, when discussingmigration, Trump told world
leaders, I'm really good at thisstuff.
Your countries are going tohell.
What the fuck?
Andrea (04:59):
Okay, I just want to say before you go on, um, I was in
Canada this week.
I was in Canada from Sunday.
Removing to win.
Jesus Mary, Joseph, and whoeverelse make it happen for me and
my family.
Um, because well, as a sidenote, Canada has its problems,
(05:21):
no doubt about it, but it has alot of the good things about the
United States and much less ofthe bad.
So, you know.
Carmen Lezeth (05:30):
I just want to re I just want to remind you that
I am the godmother to your twochildren.
So I am also family.
Andrea (05:38):
Family migration can be.
I'm just saying, if it makes ifwe're going to Canada, we're
gonna go.
But my point is that I was inCanada while all of this UN shit
was happening, right?
Like they had uh and I happento be watching BBC News.
Um, so they were, you know,during the whole um, you know,
when Mahran was uh recognizingPalestine and then all of the
(06:04):
commentary and whatever afterthat, and uh I mean, just
literal miles from the border,everyone's like, what in the
fuck is happening in thatcountry right now?
I mean, it's mind-boggling.
I know, and I see it onpeople's faces.
(06:24):
I know.
Carmen Lezeth (06:25):
I know that people are going to, I'm gonna
get feedback like if you don'tlike this country, leave.
I'm not leaving my country.
Okay, she will go, I will, Iwill fight for my country.
Andrea (06:34):
It's a lot harder than you think it is, by the way.
Nobody wants us.
Carmen Lezeth (06:39):
That's the other part, too.
It's not that easy to goanywhere because then we'd be
the immigrants.
Oh, they don't want us, theydon't want us, but I also, you
know, this is where you and Ihave always been very different.
And, you know, I I still lovemy country.
I still I'm gonna fight for it.
And I was thinking about thisthe other day.
I was like, you know, when Isay I have faith in the American
(07:01):
people, and you're like,absolutely not, like, I'm
thinking about the good Americanpeople.
I know, I know.
Okay, I'm just saying I stillhave faith that we can figure
this out.
The problem is, is I wantpeople to understand, especially
people who watch us who areTrump supporters, and I don't
think we have that many anymore.
Andrea (07:19):
I don't think so.
They're like, uh why would Iwatch these two digits?
Carmen Lezeth (07:25):
I just because here's the thing
there's the part of me thatbelieves people have been duped
into this shit.
And for whatever reason, I knowwe're gonna be like racism,
economics.
I'm not even talking aboutthose people.
I am shook by the Republicanleadership that keeps allowing
this to happen.
I am shook by the Supreme Courtthat continues to allow this to
(07:49):
keep going.
I mean, we can get into theJimmy Kimmel thing.
That's a great example.
Andrea (07:53):
Yeah, I mean, look, I you probably won't believe this,
but you know, I was talkingwith a friend a couple of weeks
ago about this.
So the same one I was havingthe conversation about the
military, I was like, why arethey just, you know, military
leadership who still existsthere?
Like, why are they just all,you know, yes, siring?
And he's like, that's otherotherwise it's a coup, right?
And I said to him at the time,I was like, I am embarrassed to
(08:17):
even say this, but way back in2016, I was like, that he'll be
gone in six months.
Republicans just aren't gonnastand for this, right?
Like, I actually thoughtthey're like it's a bridge too
far.
I know, and I feel like acomplete idiot for even
considering that that was athought.
(08:39):
I really did not expect them tocompletely not only lay down,
but like, please walk across myback multiple times and piss on
me, and I'll be fine with it.
Carmen Lezeth (08:50):
You know, I think I'm shook by the Supreme Court,
probably most of all.
Like, just I am shooketh by howand I and I I I guess I
shouldn't be, but again, it goesback to that idea like when
does money and fake power be theless thing of actual morality
and what is right and what isgood.
(09:10):
But then I think like theGerman people were probably
thinking the same thing duringthe Hitler thing.
Like, I I just I don'tunderstand how people can keep
supporting Donald Trump.
I don't get it.
Andrea (09:23):
Yeah, uh, I mean, obviously I don't either.
I I think, you know, going backto Jimmy Kimmel, right?
Um, which is I mean, he evensaid it in his thing, like, I'm
just a late night talk showperson.
This is not the most importantissue.
It happened to be widelypublicized.
People did something, theyactually took an action, right?
(09:45):
I think I read somewhereyesterday that a million people
canceled their streaming, youknow, and uh how much effect
that had?
I don't know, maybe probablysome, right?
Because that's money.
Um, but like I think when it bewhen your question, like, when
does it become about more aboutmore about morality versus
(10:06):
money?
And I think it's when peopledecide that it does, right?
When the people decide that itdoes.
And we we haven't, it's verydifficult to have that kind of
collective mobilization herewithout something really
specific, like a Jimmy Kimmeltype of issue that everybody is
aware of, and that there's anactual thing they can do to say,
(10:29):
I don't like this.
Carmen Lezeth (10:30):
I mean, I think that's fair.
And I think I sent you an emailthat this whole Bob Iger thing,
right?
The head of C the CEO ofDisney, the reason why he did
this isn't because he had somemoral clarity, it's because he
was seeing the bleed.
Like it wasn't just peopleunsubscribing to Disney and
Hulu.
It was the people, and I knowsome of these people saying,
(10:51):
We're not taking the cruise.
We're not taking our family toyou know what I mean.
And and it was, and it was likewithin a day they saw how those
numbers were gonna keep going.
And then when the celebritiescame out with the, you know, I
think it was the ACLU and putall their names down, and you're
talking the likes of like, youknow, Meryl Streep and Robert De
Niro, like the big names, likethe big names came out as well.
(11:15):
Like now it wasn't just thepeople, right?
It was now the amplification bycelebrities telling people on
TikTok, I mean, there werepeople who work for Disney who
are actors working for Disneysaying, don't go see the movie,
don't go, da-da-da.
Like, and that's what I think,and that's what kind of bums me
(11:35):
out.
I'm glad it worked, but whatI'm bummed about is that it
didn't work because Bob Iger waslike, you know what?
I'm doing the wrong thing.
The right thing to do would be,but no, he was like, shit,
we're losing a lot of money,like, and we're gonna lose.
My shareholders, myshareholders, shoot, my
motherfucking pocket.
That's what he was doing, andand and it just bums me out
(11:56):
because money is what makes theworld go round, not love.
Isn't there a song about that?
Wasn't there a song or a sayingor something like love makes
the world go round or something?
Songs and whatever about that.
Yeah, I mean, I hate that,Andrea.
I just fucking hate that moneyis.
I mean, I'm not trying to actlike naive, like I didn't know
that, but it is so clear,especially because they keep
(12:18):
allowing the bullshit or theykeep happening, and it's because
of money.
And I keep calling it pretendpower.
That's not real power.
Andrea (12:26):
Well, yeah, I mean, I think a lot of the reason, uh in
addition to the racism andwhatever, um, that that a lot of
these people are stillsupporting him is because like
tax cuts.
Carmen Lezeth (12:40):
Like, it's just so like if I can pay a little
bit less, but it's not tax cutsto us, it's not tax cuts to
regular people.
No, I know how much money doyou need?
Okay, but that's my point.
I agree.
I know.
Andrea (12:55):
Well, I just I started to do a little bit of research,
as we sometimes do, to look atas we always do when we get on
the phone.
As we always do, because I waslike, all right, what is you
know, number one, how much moneydo they make?
What divisions do they have?
What are their mostmoney-making divisions?
And I started to get into it,and then I was like, it doesn't
(13:16):
fucking matter.
They made $35 billion lastyear, and they have their hands
in this, and they have theirhands in that, and they have
their hands in this other thing,and they're trying to have
their hands in another thing,and it's like stay in your
fucking lane, right?
Make some cute animated moviesand have Disneyland.
(13:37):
Like, why do you needeverything?
Carmen Lezeth (13:40):
You don't, you just don't.
I just think it's also thatpart of it, too, is and and look
at I'm not here to try tochange the world, but I don't
understand why you need morethan 35 billion.
Like, what are five billion?
Or I don't understand thenecessity.
And I think it's a company.
Andrea (14:04):
No, no, but you're not loved enough.
Carmen Lezeth (14:06):
I know, but I'm just trying.
Look at I understand why a lotof regular American, especially
white folk, I really don't getblack and Latino and LGBTQ
people who support.
I I don't.
That is like a manifestation ofshit that is beyond my pay
grade.
But I understand why they gotduped into this.
And I'm gonna keep saying itthat way because I I get why
(14:29):
they supported him.
What I don't understand is nowthat they see exactly what we
were saying all along, why theycontinue to support him when
nothing he said is actuallyhappening for them.
And they're not gonna get thetax breaks, and they're not
gonna get like farmers.
I keep talking about thefarmers because I'm like, y'all
voted for this, and now you'rebegging for reprieve.
(14:50):
And he's gonna give it to youbecause he wants you to vote for
him again.
You know what I mean?
He wants you to keep him inpower because he actually thinks
you can have a third termbecause he also has not read the
constitution and doesn'trealize he cannot.
Andrea (15:02):
Right.
That's a whole otherconversation.
I mean, I'm not I I'm not gonnadisagree.
I think that some people wereduped.
I also think that releases alot of people from
responsibility for theiractions, so I don't totally
agree with that.
Uh, but I also think that it'shard for them to, it's hard for
anybody to admit they werewrong, right?
(15:24):
To be like, oh, I was like, youknow, full force into this.
I was 100% Trumper, I've gotthe bumper stickers, I've got
the t-shirts, I've got the hats.
It's my whole personality, butI personally am now screwed.
Like it's very hard, I think,for people to to come out of
that, right?
Um and also racism.
Carmen Lezeth (15:46):
I'm gonna say racism.
So is that the other part whyyou think they haven't like
that?
The other, like, say you saysome people were duped, but like
you think the other part of itis just people are racist, or
why do you think people areTrump supporters, especially
back then?
What's your thought process onit?
Andrea (16:02):
Yeah, they're racist.
Like, like, I mean, I it's uhit it sounds like simplistic and
and like reductive, but as weknow, people will forego
something that they know is goodfor them, something that will
clearly benefit them if it meansthey have to share with people
(16:27):
whose skin is darker thantheirs.
If those people can have thesame thing as me, none of us get
it.
Speaker 03 (16:36):
Right.
Andrea (16:37):
It's like a child having a temper tantrum where you're
like, oh, I'm gonna give, youknow, everybody some candy.
Well, I don't want everyone tohave it.
I want it, so nobody gets it.
And I'm gonna scatter yourhands all over the floor so now
nobody can have it.
Carmen Lezeth (16:51):
Right.
Andrea (16:52):
Okay, I believe it is.
Carmen Lezeth (16:54):
I I honestly believe that there are bad
actors who are uh, you know,they've they they've done a lot
of stuff this week, which I'mnot gonna get into.
Like, for example, the I'mgonna say it, the Bibles that
were sent to some of theschools.
So, you know, there's a school,I think it's Oklahoma,
Arkansas, one of those.
They sent the Bibles that aregoing to be what you need to
(17:17):
teach your children in thepublic schools, like every
public school classroom has tohave this Bible, and this Bible
has the King James version ofthe Bible, and then it also has
the Constitution, it has theBill of Rights, and in this
Bible, they're missing certainamendments, and it's like that's
not an accident.
(17:37):
And the person that was talkingabout it, like, this is on
purpose.
Andrea (17:42):
So, look, I think that yes, there are bad actors who
are um what's the word I'mlooking for?
Like they're they're feedinginto what already exists there.
There's maybe some racism,either you know, overt or latent
racism that's out there, right?
(18:03):
And there are bad actors whoare like, let's let's pump this
up, let's do some things to getthis, you know, and they're
pumping money into it, they'reyou know, pumping content into
it, obviously, you know, thewhole uh Project 2025.
I mean, that's again decades ofwork put into like let's get
(18:27):
someone in there.
And it, you know, I'm sure theydidn't know it was Trump 20
years ago, but let's let's findour guy who's dumb enough to
just like parrot whatever we saybecause he wants the votes and
we can throw some money at himand you know let him get up
there and be crazy and nobodycares, so that we can push our
agenda.
Carmen Lezeth (18:47):
Right.
That's true.
Andrea (18:49):
There's I mean, it's it's ugly.
Carmen Lezeth (18:52):
It's really ugly because I don't know what people
fear about people of color.
I really don't.
I mean, I'm I'm not saying thatas one of those people of
color, but I'm confused.
Like, why do you think you'regoing to be able to fight
against all the people in thiscountry who are here and built
to this country?
Like, we're gonna walk away andbe like, oh, you know what?
(19:12):
We're sorry.
Yeah, you're right.
White people rule, we're good.
We'll just go back to beingslate.
Like, I don't understand whatthe point is.
Like, what do you think isultimately going to happen?
Andrea (19:23):
I I read this somewhere, and it, you know, I don't, I'm
not saying this is like the fullanswer, but it did ring true to
me that you know, um, whitepeople are afraid of ultimately
being treated the way that theyhave treated people through the
decades, over the centuries,right?
They're afraid of they thinkI'm gonna have a slave and it's
(19:46):
gonna be a white person.
Well, like I mean, maybe notthat exactly, and I'm I'm not
articulating it like super well,but essentially, you know,
they're afraid of retribution,right?
Like they have we can't evenlike what even is the word that
you use for how likehorrifically they have treated
(20:07):
black people, Native Americans,Mexicans, Asians, or I should
say Latinos, Asians.
I mean, over the the centuries,they're afraid of becoming a
minority, and then all thosepeople are like, all right, it's
our terrain now, you know whatI mean?
Carmen Lezeth (20:24):
Like, right, but it goes back to that thing that
okay, so white people watchingthis are gonna be like, I didn't
do nothing.
I'm you know what I mean?
Because that's always theconversation.
Andrea (20:34):
And again, I just want to say, I'm it rang true.
I'm not saying that'scompletely it.
I'm not saying I think that'sgonna happen, but it's
something.
Carmen Lezeth (20:42):
Okay, like we have in our conversation.
I forgot we don't hear nowrecording.
Like I'm not getting into itnow.
Here's my thing is I just Iknow that there will be white
people who are gonna turn aroundand say, like, that wasn't me.
Why do I have to pay for blah,blah, blah?
Right.
So, and that gets into thewhole idea, like, well, it's not
(21:02):
that you have done anythingwrong, it's that you are
benefiting from all thewrongdoing that has been done to
people in the past, and we arenot able to be equal because of
that history.
And it's like trying tounderstand that history is
really difficult for people, youknow, because they feel like
they're being blamed forsomething they didn't do.
(21:23):
Now, I ain't talking about thepeople who being racist right
now because we know who theyare.
I'm talking about regular folkwho will turn around and be
like, I'm not racist and you'reblaming me for something I
didn't do.
What's your answer, Andrea?
Andrea (21:36):
Well, I mean the answer is yes.
Okay, fine.
Then work towards equity,right?
If you're not racist and youdon't believe that you have done
anything wrong to, you know, toget the backlash of like, oh,
(21:58):
you're being racist or whatever.
It's you are, as you said,benefiting from centuries of
being treated differently thanpeople of color.
And so if that's uh if that'snot a problem for you, if you
feel like, hey, okay, well,that's just the way that it is,
and you're not racist.
Carmen Lezeth (22:18):
And if you're not a racist person, why do you
allow that to bother you somuch?
Like, that's the thing I don'tget.
Like, yeah, why does it hurtyou so much to be like, oh my
god, I am not racist?
Okay, well, okay, but you can'tdeny that it exists, right?
But I think what you saidearlier is true.
I think they feel like theybeing white folk feel like uh
(22:40):
they're going to be wiped outsomehow, and or we're going to
do what was done.
Andrea (22:47):
Well, I I don't know why anyone would think that, but I
don't know how it works exactlyin their minds, but there's
obviously significant fear amongsome factions of people of
color having power.
And you see this in you knowwhat's happening with uh
(23:09):
journalists, what's happening,even you know, all of the firing
of of black women specificallyin the federal government.
Speaker 03 (23:16):
You know what I mean?
Andrea (23:17):
Like like they don't want people of color to have
power.
Why?
Why not?
Because they're scared.
What are they scared of?
What are they scared of?
Carmen Lezeth (23:32):
Super, super scary.
Andrea (23:40):
Most people, most people, I will say, just want to
live their lives, right?
Want to be able to buygroceries and pay rent and have
a car that works, and maybe goout to dinner, go on vacation,
maybe even take a little weekendtrip here and there.
Like, that's all people want.
Carmen Lezeth (24:00):
Anyone, all people, yeah.
Andrea (24:03):
They want their kids to be happy.
I mean, like, what is so scaryabout this?
Carmen Lezeth (24:08):
But maybe there is something there.
I mean, maybe I never thoughtabout it as people being afraid
of retribution or thinking wewould do the same thing, or the
weird thing is, is in my world,and I'm talking about like I'm
not speaking for all black folk,but I'm just saying in my
world, we just want equality.
Like, there's never I've neverheard anyone like, okay, when we
(24:29):
get in power, here's what we'regonna do.
Like, we're not even thinkingabout power, we're thinking
about equality.
Andrea (24:35):
Like, well, this is fair shake.
To me, like, that's the kind oflike um, I don't know, like
brain disease, right?
Like, that's that's what theycollectively, again, not
everybody, blah, blah, blah,they have done with their power.
They can't think of it anyother way, right?
(24:58):
They can't think of it anyway.
This is what you do when you'rein power because this is what
has been done for centuries.
Carmen Lezeth (25:07):
Yeah, and and and then it's easy to, you know,
hear people like Charlie Kirk,and you know, may he rest in
peace, but hear people likeCharlie Kirk say things like, if
I see a black pilot, I questionhow he got there, you know,
like and then that resonateswith white people because I
don't want to get on the plane.
That's yeah, it's like, wow, ifanything, if I see a black
(25:31):
person who's achieved whatlittle white people have
achieved, you know what I mean?
Like that barrier, I'm like,they must have worked 25 times
harder to get there.
Andrea (25:42):
Yes, they're working so much harder, and they know if
they make even the most minutemistake, they are screwed.
So they, yeah, same.
I had a black pilot on my wayhome, and matter of fact, and I
was like, Thank you, Jesus.
Carmen Lezeth (25:56):
But then that happens too, right?
Like people then are like, whydo like I've heard this?
Black people think that they'rebetter than white people, and
I'm like, okay, all right, Idon't know what black people
you're hanging out with, butit's again, it's like, no,
actually, there are great blackpeople, there are good black
people, there are mediocre blackpeople, there are sucky black
(26:18):
people.
The problem is, is you allthink all black people suck.
You know what I mean?
Like, that's the problem.
It's so odd to me.
I don't know how we went downthis rabbit hole, but it's just
because racism, it's becauseracism, that's gonna be our
tagline.
Andrea (26:35):
I know.
Carmen Lezeth (26:36):
I just find it weird, disheartening.
It breaks my heart as anAmerican, as somebody, and you
know, I've always been verypatriotic of this country.
I've always loved my country.
It's not the same anymore.
I don't feel that stronglyabout it anymore, but I'm gonna
fight for it.
But it breaks my heart to watchpeople in power saying the
things that they're saying anddoing the things that they're
(26:58):
doing, not to uphold actuallywhat I think are.
No matter what I think aboutthe Constitution and when it was
written or whatever, there arevalues in there that matter.
Well, used to matter, I guess.
It used to matter, you know, uhfree speech being a very
important one, you know.
Uh, and even though JimmyKimmel did win this one, win
(27:21):
this one, what I'm sad about isthat he won it because of money,
right?
Not him, but because of theamount, not because legislators
or people came out or somebodycame out and told Trump in his
cabinet, dude, this is wrong.
Andrea (27:34):
You know what I mean?
Carmen Lezeth (27:35):
Like, um, because he couldn't take a joke.
By the way, again, I'm gonnasay it till I'm blue in the
face.
You watch Jimmy Kimmel talkabout that um that whole
situation, he does not sayanything that bad about Charlie
Kirk at all.
What he does do in that islambass Trump.
And that's why Trump's goingafter all these other people.
Yeah, because he why is hewatching so much TV?
(27:56):
That's the question.
No, and he's fucking busy.
Andrea (28:00):
I'm so confused.
No, he's not because otherpeople are actually running the
show.
He's true.
Carmen Lezeth (28:08):
Yeah, Stephen Miller.
You're right.
Andrea (28:10):
You know, Stephen Miller and I'm I don't think JD Vance,
frankly, is running anything,but uh, you know, uh other
people are running the show andhe's out there, you know,
golfing and sitting on thetoilet and watching TV.
Carmen Lezeth (28:22):
You know, that's very rude of you, Andrea.
I don't know.
I'm I'm just heartbroken, Iguess.
I I don't know how we're evergonna make sense of things on
this show.
Like, how are we going to fixit?
How do we fix it, Andrea?
Like, if you could fix it, whatwould you fix first?
Racism.
Oh my god.
Andrea (28:44):
Where do you even start?
Like, I don't, I don't know.
Um, I don't know how you fixthis.
I really don't.
I mean, obviously.
You've got to have an honestconversation, though.
And I think that's like I knowpeople don't like to hear this,
right?
I don't even really like totalk about it that much.
(29:05):
Right?
Carmen Lezeth (29:09):
Yeah, I mean like the whole fucking show.
Andrea (29:14):
But like you, uh as far as I'm concerned, like you just
have to be real about it.
You can't, we cannot fix itunless we can say what it is.
Carmen Lezeth (29:26):
Okay, can we talk about it on a level of race
just for a moment?
Because you are a white woman,even though you have and and
people don't understand thedifference between race and
ethnicity.
I think that's the otherproblem, right?
Race is about characteristicsthat are the same in every
group.
There's not that many races.
So black, white, you know whatI mean?
Like skin color, hair colorfeatures tend to be there's not
(29:49):
that many.
I think there's like six races.
Um, but people confuse thatwith ethnicity, right?
So I am a black woman, but I amalso less.
Latina and I have Portuguese inmy background.
I have um my mother's fromHonduras.
There's all of this stuff in mybackground that has more to do
(30:10):
with ethnicity and culture.
But I am a black woman becausemost people walking down the
street don't go, oh my God,she's mixed and Latina.
And like they don't think thatthey're just like black women,
right?
Same thing for you.
I mean, I'll let you explain itbecause you're you're a white
woman.
Andrea (30:27):
I am a white woman.
Clearly, I am a white woman.
Um, I have a very mixedbackground, but uh, you know, my
mom's family is who I grew upwith is Mexican.
So those are the people that Igrew up with, and that is my
sort of culture that Iunderstand and relate to, and
(30:48):
whatever.
And I married a Latino man, andum, you know, but primarily my
ethnicity is, and I don't evenknow if he would, but you know,
is uh like British, and that's athat's a nationality.
Carmen Lezeth (31:01):
That's a nationality, right?
Don't confuse people likeEnglish, in the simple, like in
the simple thing, I think peopleneed to know that race is about
really in this country, allabout color of your skin, right?
That's not all it is, but thatreally is it's kind of the same
thing.
Andrea (31:16):
For most people, it's like right.
Are you Asian?
Are you black?
Are you Latino?
Are you white?
Right.
Carmen Lezeth (31:23):
That's what people say, and um, and and so
when you understand that, thenyou can see the complexities in
the background of like whatethnicity, and so people get it
all confused because youbenefit, you have privilege from
being a white woman.
So could you explain it fromthat point of view, like what
that means?
And why are you not angry orafraid I'm gonna take over
(31:45):
everything you have and do?
And how come you're not afraidof me, bitch?
I'm a black woman.
Andrea (31:51):
No, I am sometimes you're scared.
No, I'm like, I'm not talkingabout just gonna yell at me.
Right.
Um, I mean, privilege.
Okay, I'm just gonna give anexample to hopefully explain it
a little bit.
It's kind of a weird one,right?
So one day I'm out driving, Imet some people for drinks, uh
(32:13):
like happy hour.
I was there for a couple ofhours.
I'm driving home, and I am atuh one of those checkpoints, a
checkpoint where the cops arestopping everybody, right?
And I looked very profound, youknow, had my hair blow dry,
didn't makeup on, you know,suit, whatever.
Um, and the guy stops me, andI'm like, okay, you know, in my
(32:34):
head, I'm like, all right, I didhave a margarita like three
hours ago.
Like, do I say that I had oneor not?
And this was this was a whileago.
So now I would just be like,you know, roll up my window, but
like, I'm not talking to you.
Carmen Lezeth (32:46):
But anyway, but you'd get away with that.
I would not.
Andrea (32:49):
Yes, I would get away with that.
And I'll I'll get it.
Anyway, so he asked me, Haveyou had anything to drink
tonight?
And so I said, Yes.
I had a margarita at 5:30 orwhatever.
And he looks at me and I said,and I was like, I had a couple
of glasses of water after that.
A lie, and that was a lie.
I already no, that's true.
(33:10):
Always drink water with youralcohol people.
No, no, you should do that.
I just think um and he sort oflooked at me and just, you know,
he said, you know, where areyou going?
And I was like, I'm going home.
Here's where I live, whatever.
And he just handed me my stuffback and was like, all right, go
on.
And I knew, I knew in my bones,he let me go because of the way
(33:33):
that I look.
Yeah.
I knew it, right?
I didn't have to step out ofthe car.
There weren't any really otherquestions.
There wasn't like a, you know,let's get out of the car and do
the whole shebang.
I knew it, right?
And I've had other run-ins withpolice, not a lot, but and I
I'm gonna say I have kind of anantagonistic um, you know, vibe
(33:55):
because I just don't kinda kindatrust them, right?
And I have reasons for that,but I can get away with that.
I can be a little bit snottyand a little bit snarky with
police because of the way Ilook.
I cannot do that if I haveCarmen in the car, if I have my
husband in the car.
I cannot do that.
Carmen Lezeth (34:17):
And I know I can give a counter because I've I've
talked about this before.
Here's the difference.
Also a few years ago, I went toWhole Foods in my car and got
there too early, right?
It opened at like eight orsomething, and I was there at
like 7:30 or something.
So I said, instead of drivingback home and going into my
garage and stuff, I'm just gonnago up and park at the school.
(34:37):
And this was like a, I don'tknow, it wasn't it, there was no
one at school.
Do you know what I mean?
It was like a Saturday orwhatever it was, a holiday or
something.
And I parked at the school,just on the street where the
field is, and then there arehouses on this side.
I had a cop car pull up behindme.
I think I've told you thestory.
They pulled up behind me, theygot out of the car and came and
(34:59):
talked to me.
And as they're talking to me,and I'm like, hands on the, you
know what I mean?
I'm all freaking out.
They had called for backup, andanother cop car came.
I was just waiting for WholeFoods to open.
I was looking, I wasn'tdriving, I hadn't drank, it was
early in the morning.
I was, and if I could tell youthat's the only time that that's
(35:21):
happened, that I have beenpulled over or for doing
absolutely nothing.
You know what I mean?
Like, and look, and I'm I'mgonna say this.
I'm also very lucky because Ihave light skin privilege,
right?
Which I know confuses people.
And the way that I look, likeif I was dark, dark skin and had
different features, I thinkthat would also play in this in
(35:43):
a very different way.
You know what I mean?
But I'm luckier than mostpeople of color who have to do,
especially black men, black menand black, dark-skinned women
have the worst when it comes tocops.
Speaker 03 (35:55):
Yeah.
Carmen Lezeth (35:56):
And I really don't want to fucking hear about
all cops, that it's not allcops, blah, blah.
We're giving you an example tounderstand what race is.
Because anybody who knows usknows we would never
intentionally do somethingillegal.
I certainly would not.
Like, if anyone in this roomwould do something illegal, it
would be it would never be me.
Andrea (36:18):
I'm like, am I illegal?
I mean, you know, am I speedinghere and there?
Carmen Lezeth (36:26):
Yes, yes, never speeding, never speeding.
Like, I mean, but I'm justsaying, like, that's kind of
it's the funny thing, right?
Like, I'm the rule follower,I'm like the patriotic one, I'm
the one that like every but butpeople will assume certain
things based on what we looklike.
Yeah, yeah, you know, oh myGod, I didn't know we were gonna
go down this rope.
But but that's kind of whatwe're talking about when it
(36:48):
comes to race, so peopleunderstand.
And I think I'm I'm not tryingto close out on this, but I do
want to say if you are notracist, if you are a white
person and you know in yourheart you're not racist, then
don't take it on.
Like, don't take on the label,but don't deny it exists, like
because you know it does.
(37:10):
Like, I know you know it does.
How could you not right?
How could you not know that itexists?
Andrea (37:18):
Yeah, if you if you're gonna try to say that you don't,
you know, I don't see color,right?
That you don't think it exists,then I'm just gonna put it out
there, you're probably racist,right?
Like I think people payattention.
Carmen Lezeth (37:36):
Okay, okay, but I'm gonna put a little twist on
it.
I think some people want tobelieve in the utopia world
where everybody's treatedequally, and they want to
believe that.
And I and I I totally get that.
I want to believe it too.
You have no idea.
Andrea (37:52):
You know, the good vibes only people, right?
It's like, I don't see it, it'snot here.
We're all just like gellingtogether.
Like, okay, that's great.
And maybe like in your circle,it doesn't exist, but you gotta
step outside and see what thereality is beyond maybe your
particular bubble.
Carmen Lezeth (38:12):
And also when you say racism doesn't exist,
you're denying all theexperience of pain that people
are having, right?
I think that's what happens toowith the whole cop thing with
police officers, you know.
Of course, I know some reallygood police officers.
I do, you know, like I do, butit doesn't matter if a whole
(38:33):
bunch of them are doing badthings and those cops are not
doing anything about it, right?
Like it doesn't, you becomepart of the collective if you're
if you're still okay withsomebody treating somebody so
badly that it causes theirdeath.
Andrea (38:50):
You know, like well, and I I mean, you know, we could
have multiple shows about what'shappening in LAPD and LA
sheriffs, but uh I know Irecognize that it's very, very
difficult once you are in there.
In fact, it's dangerous as acop, as a cop, to speak.
(39:10):
I get that.
Um, and you know, there arepeople who maybe go in with some
intentions of like, I'm gonnabe solid, I'm gonna, you know,
keep my do the right thing, Iwant to help people.
Carmen Lezeth (39:20):
Most cops do the same thing as uh the fire
department does.
When people go into theseprofessions, they want to help
people, they want to do theright thing.
But I'm gonna disagree with youa little bit because I actually
think the problem with thepolice department, we'll have to
have this conversation, maybewe'll do it next week or
something, is when you look atwhat it takes to become a
fireman and what it takes tobecome a police officer.
(39:40):
100%.
Yeah.
Way different.
Yes.
And I'm sorry, this person hasa gun.
Like this person has lethalweapons.
Andrea (39:49):
I I am no defender of the police departments.
Don't you don't get me wrong.
I'm just recognizing that itcan be dangerous to speak up
when you are inside.
And you know, however, this isa huge, huge, huge problem
within police departments acrossthe country, right?
(40:10):
That they are allowed toessentially, you know, wreak
havoc all over their communitieswith total immunity.
Carmen Lezeth (40:18):
Yeah, yeah.
All right, so we're probablygonna talk about cops and ice
and stuff next week.
Maybe that's what we'll do.
I don't know.
But I think we'll end it here.
We're not gonna get canceled,we're just not gonna have anyone
watching.
But you know what?
It's okay, because we're doingwhat we need to do to try to
help other people see it from adifferent perspective.
Andrea (40:38):
That's all that, yeah.
This is what you asked me, whatwe can do, we can have honest
conversations.
This is the honest conversationfrom our perspective.
Carmen Lezeth (40:45):
Yeah, and it's a hard one, there's no doubt about
it.
We always have the hardconversations, and um, yeah.
So listen, everyone, thank youso much for supporting us and
for watching the show and forbeing so awesome.
We really have gotten a lot ofviews.
I think it's because they hateus.
I don't know.
I don't know what it is.
Uh but thank you so much, andum, we'll see you again next
time.
Remember, at the end of theday, it really is all about the
(41:07):
joy.
Bye.
Andrea (41:09):
Bye.
Carmen Lezeth (41:11):
Thanks for stopping by, all about the joy.
Be better and stay beautiful,folks.
Have a sweet day.
Hey everyone.
Welcome to All About the Joy.
This is Culture and Consequencewith Carmen and Andrea.
Okay.
I'm sorry, say that again,Andrea.
Hi.
Hi.
How are you?
I'm great.
How are you?
I'm great too.
No.
Andrea (00:18):
Okay.
Good chat.
Nice checking in.
Good chat.
It's you know what?
It's I'm just, I'm, I'm, yeah.
You know what?
I made the mistake this morningof I'm like, I'm just gonna see
what's going on in the news.
Instead of just reading, likelooking at my regular whatever,
I was like, let me just seewhat's going on in the news.
And of course, I open upwhatever YouTube, TV, or
(00:39):
whatever.
And there is Donald Trumpspeaking to, I believe, the
president of Turkey, Erdogan.
Is that how you say I don'teven know how to say his last
name?
I think that's how you say it.
Something I don't I doesn'tmatter.
It doesn't matter.
I wasn't even I was shook byagain the amount of tacky ass
(01:00):
gold.
Andrea, what is that?
It's a national embarrassment,is what it is.
On many, many levels.
Like every time he speaks, it'sjust like, oh my god, oh my
god, what is happening rightnow?
(01:21):
It's just so cringe.
There's a word that the Germanshave for secondhand
embarrassment.
I can't I can't remember whatit is right now, but it's like
you're so embarrassed forsomebody else who's too fucking
stupid to be embarrassed forthemselves.
Carmen Lezeth (01:37):
Anyway, yeah, no, no, no.
I and again, so we can talkabout the word the we have so
much to talk about, but I just Iwas like, why is the White
House so gaudy tacky?
Like the decor, and you knowme, I'm all about decor.
I'm not, I don't, but it's likewhat I noticed again, and it
(01:57):
just totally bothered me.
But yeah, I'm I'm embarrassedon so many levels for us, and
you know, he would he couldn'tsay the word, which I forgive
him for this.
I know Andrea's gonna hit meright now, because he couldn't
say the talent and all, right?
He couldn't say a set of fitum.
I can't say the I can't say iteither.
(02:17):
I actually have a stutterthough.
And here's the thing if JoeBiden had said it, they would
have crucified him, right?
Andrea (02:23):
And you're not the president of the United States
saying people shouldn't betaking Tylenol.
Carmen Lezeth (02:28):
So right, but here's the thing too.
Like I would have practiced, Iwould have practiced, I would
have been on point, maybe wouldhave learned how to say it ahead
of time.
I would have learned how to sayit, I would have figured out,
or I would have figured out analternative.
I would have done my homework,my research to make sure that I
came across correctly and thatthe American people understood.
(02:50):
But you know what?
Who cares about him not beingable to say the word?
What the fuck with the Tylenolthing?
And let me just give you anupdate, just for one second.
Dr.
Oz and JD Vance, who werestanding behind him as he was
talking about how bad Tylenol isand that pregnant women
shouldn't take, today were bothin separate places talking
(03:14):
about, I believe one of them wasFox News, about walking that
shit back.
They're saying that it's nottrue.
And so why would you standthere and let the president of
the United States give thispress conference and not?
I I I don't get it.
Okay, I'm overly frustrated.
Andrea (03:33):
Back to um a few previous episodes, uh, which
will clearly be a running themehere.
Uh, they're cowards.
There's just a total lack ofcourage.
And and in these, I mean, withthese specific people, they have
ulterior motives, right?
They want to be there close topower and they want to shoot
(03:56):
their shot and have their chanceand all of that.
So they're not going to youknow disrupt that by disagreeing
or correcting, god forbid, oranything like that.
Carmen Lezeth (04:08):
When is that second to your moral core?
Andrea (04:12):
Like, when do you when you're a modern day Republican?
That's that's when that, youknow what I mean?
Like that, there is no moralcore.
There's no moral core.
There's gotta be a moral coresomewhere.
Carmen Lezeth (04:24):
Does there?
Because I'm not seeing it.
No, I'm not seeing it, but I'msaying, when does okay, so let's
say that the Republican Party,like you're right.
I I honestly don't understandwhy some of these Republicans
are standing by this bullsitery,like and some of the stuff.
Let's talk about the UN.
Let's talk about what he saidat the UN.
I I wrote it out, I printedthis shit out.
(04:46):
Okay, when discussingmigration, Trump told world
leaders, I'm really good at thisstuff.
Your countries are going tohell.
What the fuck?
Andrea (04:59):
Okay, I just want to say before you go on, um, I was in
Canada this week.
I was in Canada from Sunday.
Removing to win.
Jesus Mary, Joseph, and whoeverelse make it happen for me and
my family.
Um, because well, as a sidenote, Canada has its problems,
(05:21):
no doubt about it, but it has alot of the good things about the
United States and much less ofthe bad.
So, you know.
Carmen Lezeth (05:30):
I just want to re I just want to remind you that
I am the godmother to your twochildren.
So I am also family.
Andrea (05:38):
Family migration can be.
I'm just saying, if it makes ifwe're going to Canada, we're
gonna go.
But my point is that I was inCanada while all of this UN shit
was happening, right?
Like they had uh and I happento be watching BBC News.
Um, so they were, you know,during the whole um, you know,
when Mahran was uh recognizingPalestine and then all of the
(06:04):
commentary and whatever afterthat, and uh I mean, just
literal miles from the border,everyone's like, what in the
fuck is happening in thatcountry right now?
I mean, it's mind-boggling.
I know, and I see it onpeople's faces.
(06:24):
I know.
Carmen Lezeth (06:25):
I know that people are going to, I'm gonna
get feedback like if you don'tlike this country, leave.
I'm not leaving my country.
Okay, she will go, I will, Iwill fight for my country.
Andrea (06:34):
It's a lot harder than you think it is, by the way.
Nobody wants us.
Carmen Lezeth (06:39):
That's the other part, too.
It's not that easy to goanywhere because then we'd be
the immigrants.
Oh, they don't want us, theydon't want us, but I also, you
know, this is where you and Ihave always been very different.
And, you know, I I still lovemy country.
I still I'm gonna fight for it.
And I was thinking about thisthe other day.
I was like, you know, when Isay I have faith in the American
(07:01):
people, and you're like,absolutely not, like, I'm
thinking about the good Americanpeople.
I know, I know.
Okay, I'm just saying I stillhave faith that we can figure
this out.
The problem is, is I wantpeople to understand, especially
people who watch us who areTrump supporters, and I don't
think we have that many anymore.
Andrea (07:19):
I don't think so.
They're like, uh why would Iwatch these two digits?
Carmen Lezeth (07:25):
I just because here's the thing
there's the part of me thatbelieves people have been duped
into this shit.
And for whatever reason, I knowwe're gonna be like racism,
economics.
I'm not even talking aboutthose people.
I am shook by the Republicanleadership that keeps allowing
this to happen.
I am shook by the Supreme Courtthat continues to allow this to
(07:49):
keep going.
I mean, we can get into theJimmy Kimmel thing.
That's a great example.
Andrea (07:53):
Yeah, I mean, look, I you probably won't believe this,
but you know, I was talkingwith a friend a couple of weeks
ago about this.
So the same one I was havingthe conversation about the
military, I was like, why arethey just, you know, military
leadership who still existsthere?
Like, why are they just all,you know, yes, siring?
And he's like, that's otherotherwise it's a coup, right?
And I said to him at the time,I was like, I am embarrassed to
(08:17):
even say this, but way back in2016, I was like, that he'll be
gone in six months.
Republicans just aren't gonnastand for this, right?
Like, I actually thoughtthey're like it's a bridge too
far.
I know, and I feel like acomplete idiot for even
considering that that was athought.
(08:39):
I really did not expect them tocompletely not only lay down,
but like, please walk across myback multiple times and piss on
me, and I'll be fine with it.
Carmen Lezeth (08:50):
You know, I think I'm shook by the Supreme Court,
probably most of all.
Like, just I am shooketh by howand I and I I I guess I
shouldn't be, but again, it goesback to that idea like when
does money and fake power be theless thing of actual morality
and what is right and what isgood.
(09:10):
But then I think like theGerman people were probably
thinking the same thing duringthe Hitler thing.
Like, I I just I don'tunderstand how people can keep
supporting Donald Trump.
I don't get it.
Andrea (09:23):
Yeah, uh, I mean, obviously I don't either.
I I think, you know, going backto Jimmy Kimmel, right?
Um, which is I mean, he evensaid it in his thing, like, I'm
just a late night talk showperson.
This is not the most importantissue.
It happened to be widelypublicized.
People did something, theyactually took an action, right?
(09:45):
I think I read somewhereyesterday that a million people
canceled their streaming, youknow, and uh how much effect
that had?
I don't know, maybe probablysome, right?
Because that's money.
Um, but like I think when it bewhen your question, like, when
does it become about more aboutmore about morality versus
(10:06):
money?
And I think it's when peopledecide that it does, right?
When the people decide that itdoes.
And we we haven't, it's verydifficult to have that kind of
collective mobilization herewithout something really
specific, like a Jimmy Kimmeltype of issue that everybody is
aware of, and that there's anactual thing they can do to say,
(10:29):
I don't like this.
Carmen Lezeth (10:30):
I mean, I think that's fair.
And I think I sent you an emailthat this whole Bob Iger thing,
right?
The head of C the CEO ofDisney, the reason why he did
this isn't because he had somemoral clarity, it's because he
was seeing the bleed.
Like it wasn't just peopleunsubscribing to Disney and
Hulu.
It was the people, and I knowsome of these people saying,
(10:51):
We're not taking the cruise.
We're not taking our family toyou know what I mean.
And and it was, and it was likewithin a day they saw how those
numbers were gonna keep going.
And then when the celebritiescame out with the, you know, I
think it was the ACLU and putall their names down, and you're
talking the likes of like, youknow, Meryl Streep and Robert De
Niro, like the big names, likethe big names came out as well.
(11:15):
Like now it wasn't just thepeople, right?
It was now the amplification bycelebrities telling people on
TikTok, I mean, there werepeople who work for Disney who
are actors working for Disneysaying, don't go see the movie,
don't go, da-da-da.
Like, and that's what I think,and that's what kind of bums me
(11:35):
out.
I'm glad it worked, but whatI'm bummed about is that it
didn't work because Bob Iger waslike, you know what?
I'm doing the wrong thing.
The right thing to do would be,but no, he was like, shit,
we're losing a lot of money,like, and we're gonna lose.
My shareholders, myshareholders, shoot, my
motherfucking pocket.
That's what he was doing, andand and it just bums me out
(11:56):
because money is what makes theworld go round, not love.
Isn't there a song about that?
Wasn't there a song or a sayingor something like love makes
the world go round or something?
Songs and whatever about that.
Yeah, I mean, I hate that,Andrea.
I just fucking hate that moneyis.
I mean, I'm not trying to actlike naive, like I didn't know
that, but it is so clear,especially because they keep
(12:18):
allowing the bullshit or theykeep happening, and it's because
of money.
And I keep calling it pretendpower.
That's not real power.
Andrea (12:26):
Well, yeah, I mean, I think a lot of the reason, uh in
addition to the racism andwhatever, um, that that a lot of
these people are stillsupporting him is because like
tax cuts.
Carmen Lezeth (12:40):
Like, it's just so like if I can pay a little
bit less, but it's not tax cutsto us, it's not tax cuts to
regular people.
No, I know how much money doyou need?
Okay, but that's my point.
I agree.
I know.
Andrea (12:55):
Well, I just I started to do a little bit of research,
as we sometimes do, to look atas we always do when we get on
the phone.
As we always do, because I waslike, all right, what is you
know, number one, how much moneydo they make?
What divisions do they have?
What are their mostmoney-making divisions?
And I started to get into it,and then I was like, it doesn't
(13:16):
fucking matter.
They made $35 billion lastyear, and they have their hands
in this, and they have theirhands in that, and they have
their hands in this other thing,and they're trying to have
their hands in another thing,and it's like stay in your
fucking lane, right?
Make some cute animated moviesand have Disneyland.
(13:37):
Like, why do you needeverything?
Carmen Lezeth (13:40):
You don't, you just don't.
I just think it's also thatpart of it, too, is and and look
at I'm not here to try tochange the world, but I don't
understand why you need morethan 35 billion.
Like, what are five billion?
Or I don't understand thenecessity.
And I think it's a company.
Andrea (14:04):
No, no, but you're not loved enough.
Carmen Lezeth (14:06):
I know, but I'm just trying.
Look at I understand why a lotof regular American, especially
white folk, I really don't getblack and Latino and LGBTQ
people who support.
I I don't.
That is like a manifestation ofshit that is beyond my pay
grade.
But I understand why they gotduped into this.
And I'm gonna keep saying itthat way because I I get why
(14:29):
they supported him.
What I don't understand is nowthat they see exactly what we
were saying all along, why theycontinue to support him when
nothing he said is actuallyhappening for them.
And they're not gonna get thetax breaks, and they're not
gonna get like farmers.
I keep talking about thefarmers because I'm like, y'all
voted for this, and now you'rebegging for reprieve.
(14:50):
And he's gonna give it to youbecause he wants you to vote for
him again.
You know what I mean?
He wants you to keep him inpower because he actually thinks
you can have a third termbecause he also has not read the
constitution and doesn'trealize he cannot.
Andrea (15:02):
Right.
That's a whole otherconversation.
I mean, I'm not I I'm not gonnadisagree.
I think that some people wereduped.
I also think that releases alot of people from
responsibility for theiractions, so I don't totally
agree with that.
Uh, but I also think that it'shard for them to, it's hard for
anybody to admit they werewrong, right?
(15:24):
To be like, oh, I was like, youknow, full force into this.
I was 100% Trumper, I've gotthe bumper stickers, I've got
the t-shirts, I've got the hats.
It's my whole personality, butI personally am now screwed.
Like it's very hard, I think,for people to to come out of
that, right?
Um and also racism.
Carmen Lezeth (15:46):
I'm gonna say racism.
So is that the other part whyyou think they haven't like
that?
The other, like, say you saysome people were duped, but like
you think the other part of itis just people are racist, or
why do you think people areTrump supporters, especially
back then?
What's your thought process onit?
Andrea (16:02):
Yeah, they're racist.
Like, like, I mean, I it's uhit it sounds like simplistic and
and like reductive, but as weknow, people will forego
something that they know is goodfor them, something that will
clearly benefit them if it meansthey have to share with people
(16:27):
whose skin is darker thantheirs.
If those people can have thesame thing as me, none of us get
it.
Speaker 03 (16:36):
Right.
Andrea (16:37):
It's like a child having a temper tantrum where you're
like, oh, I'm gonna give, youknow, everybody some candy.
Well, I don't want everyone tohave it.
I want it, so nobody gets it.
And I'm gonna scatter yourhands all over the floor so now
nobody can have it.
Carmen Lezeth (16:51):
Right.
Andrea (16:52):
Okay, I believe it is.
Carmen Lezeth (16:54):
I I honestly believe that there are bad
actors who are uh, you know,they've they they've done a lot
of stuff this week, which I'mnot gonna get into.
Like, for example, the I'mgonna say it, the Bibles that
were sent to some of theschools.
So, you know, there's a school,I think it's Oklahoma,
Arkansas, one of those.
They sent the Bibles that aregoing to be what you need to
(17:17):
teach your children in thepublic schools, like every
public school classroom has tohave this Bible, and this Bible
has the King James version ofthe Bible, and then it also has
the Constitution, it has theBill of Rights, and in this
Bible, they're missing certainamendments, and it's like that's
not an accident.
(17:37):
And the person that was talkingabout it, like, this is on
purpose.
Andrea (17:42):
So, look, I think that yes, there are bad actors who
are um what's the word I'mlooking for?
Like they're they're feedinginto what already exists there.
There's maybe some racism,either you know, overt or latent
racism that's out there, right?
(18:03):
And there are bad actors whoare like, let's let's pump this
up, let's do some things to getthis, you know, and they're
pumping money into it, they'reyou know, pumping content into
it, obviously, you know, thewhole uh Project 2025.
I mean, that's again decades ofwork put into like let's get
(18:27):
someone in there.
And it, you know, I'm sure theydidn't know it was Trump 20
years ago, but let's let's findour guy who's dumb enough to
just like parrot whatever we saybecause he wants the votes and
we can throw some money at himand you know let him get up
there and be crazy and nobodycares, so that we can push our
agenda.
Carmen Lezeth (18:47):
Right.
That's true.
Andrea (18:49):
There's I mean, it's it's ugly.
Carmen Lezeth (18:52):
It's really ugly because I don't know what people
fear about people of color.
I really don't.
I mean, I'm I'm not saying thatas one of those people of
color, but I'm confused.
Like, why do you think you'regoing to be able to fight
against all the people in thiscountry who are here and built
to this country?
Like, we're gonna walk away andbe like, oh, you know what?
(19:12):
We're sorry.
Yeah, you're right.
White people rule, we're good.
We'll just go back to beingslate.
Like, I don't understand whatthe point is.
Like, what do you think isultimately going to happen?
Andrea (19:23):
I I read this somewhere, and it, you know, I don't, I'm
not saying this is like the fullanswer, but it did ring true to
me that you know, um, whitepeople are afraid of ultimately
being treated the way that theyhave treated people through the
decades, over the centuries,right?
They're afraid of they thinkI'm gonna have a slave and it's
(19:46):
gonna be a white person.
Well, like I mean, maybe notthat exactly, and I'm I'm not
articulating it like super well,but essentially, you know,
they're afraid of retribution,right?
Like they have we can't evenlike what even is the word that
you use for how likehorrifically they have treated
(20:07):
black people, Native Americans,Mexicans, Asians, or I should
say Latinos, Asians.
I mean, over the the centuries,they're afraid of becoming a
minority, and then all thosepeople are like, all right, it's
our terrain now, you know whatI mean?
Carmen Lezeth (20:24):
Like, right, but it goes back to that thing that
okay, so white people watchingthis are gonna be like, I didn't
do nothing.
I'm you know what I mean?
Because that's always theconversation.
Andrea (20:34):
And again, I just want to say, I'm it rang true.
I'm not saying that'scompletely it.
I'm not saying I think that'sgonna happen, but it's
something.
Carmen Lezeth (20:42):
Okay, like we have in our conversation.
I forgot we don't hear nowrecording.
Like I'm not getting into itnow.
Here's my thing is I just Iknow that there will be white
people who are gonna turn aroundand say, like, that wasn't me.
Why do I have to pay for blah,blah, blah?
Right.
So, and that gets into thewhole idea, like, well, it's not
(21:02):
that you have done anythingwrong, it's that you are
benefiting from all thewrongdoing that has been done to
people in the past, and we arenot able to be equal because of
that history.
And it's like trying tounderstand that history is
really difficult for people, youknow, because they feel like
they're being blamed forsomething they didn't do.
(21:23):
Now, I ain't talking about thepeople who being racist right
now because we know who theyare.
I'm talking about regular folkwho will turn around and be
like, I'm not racist and you'reblaming me for something I
didn't do.
What's your answer, Andrea?
Andrea (21:36):
Well, I mean the answer is yes.
Okay, fine.
Then work towards equity,right?
If you're not racist and youdon't believe that you have done
anything wrong to, you know, toget the backlash of like, oh,
(21:58):
you're being racist or whatever.
It's you are, as you said,benefiting from centuries of
being treated differently thanpeople of color.
And so if that's uh if that'snot a problem for you, if you
feel like, hey, okay, well,that's just the way that it is,
and you're not racist.
Carmen Lezeth (22:18):
And if you're not a racist person, why do you
allow that to bother you somuch?
Like, that's the thing I don'tget.
Like, yeah, why does it hurtyou so much to be like, oh my
god, I am not racist?
Okay, well, okay, but you can'tdeny that it exists, right?
But I think what you saidearlier is true.
I think they feel like theybeing white folk feel like uh
(22:40):
they're going to be wiped outsomehow, and or we're going to
do what was done.
Andrea (22:47):
Well, I I don't know why anyone would think that, but I
don't know how it works exactlyin their minds, but there's
obviously significant fear amongsome factions of people of
color having power.
And you see this in you knowwhat's happening with uh
(23:09):
journalists, what's happening,even you know, all of the firing
of of black women specificallyin the federal government.
Speaker 03 (23:16):
You know what I mean?
Andrea (23:17):
Like like they don't want people of color to have
power.
Why?
Why not?
Because they're scared.
What are they scared of?
What are they scared of?
Carmen Lezeth (23:32):
Super, super scary.
Andrea (23:40):
Most people, most people, I will say, just want to
live their lives, right?
Want to be able to buygroceries and pay rent and have
a car that works, and maybe goout to dinner, go on vacation,
maybe even take a little weekendtrip here and there.
Like, that's all people want.
Carmen Lezeth (24:00):
Anyone, all people, yeah.
Andrea (24:03):
They want their kids to be happy.
I mean, like, what is so scaryabout this?
Carmen Lezeth (24:08):
But maybe there is something there.
I mean, maybe I never thoughtabout it as people being afraid
of retribution or thinking wewould do the same thing, or the
weird thing is, is in my world,and I'm talking about like I'm
not speaking for all black folk,but I'm just saying in my
world, we just want equality.
Like, there's never I've neverheard anyone like, okay, when we
(24:29):
get in power, here's what we'regonna do.
Like, we're not even thinkingabout power, we're thinking
about equality.
Andrea (24:35):
Like, well, this is fair shake.
To me, like, that's the kind oflike um, I don't know, like
brain disease, right?
Like, that's that's what theycollectively, again, not
everybody, blah, blah, blah,they have done with their power.
They can't think of it anyother way, right?
(24:58):
They can't think of it anyway.
This is what you do when you'rein power because this is what
has been done for centuries.
Carmen Lezeth (25:07):
Yeah, and and and then it's easy to, you know,
hear people like Charlie Kirk,and you know, may he rest in
peace, but hear people likeCharlie Kirk say things like, if
I see a black pilot, I questionhow he got there, you know,
like and then that resonateswith white people because I
don't want to get on the plane.
That's yeah, it's like, wow, ifanything, if I see a black
(25:31):
person who's achieved whatlittle white people have
achieved, you know what I mean?
Like that barrier, I'm like,they must have worked 25 times
harder to get there.
Andrea (25:42):
Yes, they're working so much harder, and they know if
they make even the most minutemistake, they are screwed.
So they, yeah, same.
I had a black pilot on my wayhome, and matter of fact, and I
was like, Thank you, Jesus.
Carmen Lezeth (25:56):
But then that happens too, right?
Like people then are like, whydo like I've heard this?
Black people think that they'rebetter than white people, and
I'm like, okay, all right, Idon't know what black people
you're hanging out with, butit's again, it's like, no,
actually, there are great blackpeople, there are good black
people, there are mediocre blackpeople, there are sucky black
(26:18):
people.
The problem is, is you allthink all black people suck.
You know what I mean?
Like, that's the problem.
It's so odd to me.
I don't know how we went downthis rabbit hole, but it's just
because racism, it's becauseracism, that's gonna be our
tagline.
Andrea (26:35):
I know.
Carmen Lezeth (26:36):
I just find it weird, disheartening.
It breaks my heart as anAmerican, as somebody, and you
know, I've always been verypatriotic of this country.
I've always loved my country.
It's not the same anymore.
I don't feel that stronglyabout it anymore, but I'm gonna
fight for it.
But it breaks my heart to watchpeople in power saying the
things that they're saying anddoing the things that they're
(26:58):
doing, not to uphold actuallywhat I think are.
No matter what I think aboutthe Constitution and when it was
written or whatever, there arevalues in there that matter.
Well, used to matter, I guess.
It used to matter, you know, uhfree speech being a very
important one, you know.
Uh, and even though JimmyKimmel did win this one, win
(27:21):
this one, what I'm sad about isthat he won it because of money,
right?
Not him, but because of theamount, not because legislators
or people came out or somebodycame out and told Trump in his
cabinet, dude, this is wrong.
Andrea (27:34):
You know what I mean?
Carmen Lezeth (27:35):
Like, um, because he couldn't take a joke.
By the way, again, I'm gonnasay it till I'm blue in the
face.
You watch Jimmy Kimmel talkabout that um that whole
situation, he does not sayanything that bad about Charlie
Kirk at all.
What he does do in that islambass Trump.
And that's why Trump's goingafter all these other people.
Yeah, because he why is hewatching so much TV?
(27:56):
That's the question.
No, and he's fucking busy.
Andrea (28:00):
I'm so confused.
No, he's not because otherpeople are actually running the
show.
He's true.
Carmen Lezeth (28:08):
Yeah, Stephen Miller.
You're right.
Andrea (28:10):
You know, Stephen Miller and I'm I don't think JD Vance,
frankly, is running anything,but uh, you know, uh other
people are running the show andhe's out there, you know,
golfing and sitting on thetoilet and watching TV.
Carmen Lezeth (28:22):
You know, that's very rude of you, Andrea.
I don't know.
I'm I'm just heartbroken, Iguess.
I I don't know how we're evergonna make sense of things on
this show.
Like, how are we going to fixit?
How do we fix it, Andrea?
Like, if you could fix it, whatwould you fix first?
Racism.
Oh my god.
Andrea (28:44):
Where do you even start?
Like, I don't, I don't know.
Um, I don't know how you fixthis.
I really don't.
I mean, obviously.
You've got to have an honestconversation, though.
And I think that's like I knowpeople don't like to hear this,
right?
I don't even really like totalk about it that much.
(29:05):
Right?
Carmen Lezeth (29:09):
Yeah, I mean like the whole fucking show.
Andrea (29:14):
But like you, uh as far as I'm concerned, like you just
have to be real about it.
You can't, we cannot fix itunless we can say what it is.
Carmen Lezeth (29:26):
Okay, can we talk about it on a level of race
just for a moment?
Because you are a white woman,even though you have and and
people don't understand thedifference between race and
ethnicity.
I think that's the otherproblem, right?
Race is about characteristicsthat are the same in every
group.
There's not that many races.
So black, white, you know whatI mean?
Like skin color, hair colorfeatures tend to be there's not
(29:49):
that many.
I think there's like six races.
Um, but people confuse thatwith ethnicity, right?
So I am a black woman, but I amalso less.
Latina and I have Portuguese inmy background.
I have um my mother's fromHonduras.
There's all of this stuff in mybackground that has more to do
(30:10):
with ethnicity and culture.
But I am a black woman becausemost people walking down the
street don't go, oh my God,she's mixed and Latina.
And like they don't think thatthey're just like black women,
right?
Same thing for you.
I mean, I'll let you explain itbecause you're you're a white
woman.
Andrea (30:27):
I am a white woman.
Clearly, I am a white woman.
Um, I have a very mixedbackground, but uh, you know, my
mom's family is who I grew upwith is Mexican.
So those are the people that Igrew up with, and that is my
sort of culture that Iunderstand and relate to, and
(30:48):
whatever.
And I married a Latino man, andum, you know, but primarily my
ethnicity is, and I don't evenknow if he would, but you know,
is uh like British, and that's athat's a nationality.
Carmen Lezeth (31:01):
That's a nationality, right?
Don't confuse people likeEnglish, in the simple, like in
the simple thing, I think peopleneed to know that race is about
really in this country, allabout color of your skin, right?
That's not all it is, but thatreally is it's kind of the same
thing.
Andrea (31:16):
For most people, it's like right.
Are you Asian?
Are you black?
Are you Latino?
Are you white?
Right.
Carmen Lezeth (31:23):
That's what people say, and um, and and so
when you understand that, thenyou can see the complexities in
the background of like whatethnicity, and so people get it
all confused because youbenefit, you have privilege from
being a white woman.
So could you explain it fromthat point of view, like what
that means?
And why are you not angry orafraid I'm gonna take over
(31:45):
everything you have and do?
And how come you're not afraidof me, bitch?
I'm a black woman.
Andrea (31:51):
No, I am sometimes you're scared.
No, I'm like, I'm not talkingabout just gonna yell at me.
Right.
Um, I mean, privilege.
Okay, I'm just gonna give anexample to hopefully explain it
a little bit.
It's kind of a weird one,right?
So one day I'm out driving, Imet some people for drinks, uh
(32:13):
like happy hour.
I was there for a couple ofhours.
I'm driving home, and I am atuh one of those checkpoints, a
checkpoint where the cops arestopping everybody, right?
And I looked very profound, youknow, had my hair blow dry,
didn't makeup on, you know,suit, whatever.
Um, and the guy stops me, andI'm like, okay, you know, in my
(32:34):
head, I'm like, all right, I didhave a margarita like three
hours ago.
Like, do I say that I had oneor not?
And this was this was a whileago.
So now I would just be like,you know, roll up my window, but
like, I'm not talking to you.
Carmen Lezeth (32:46):
But anyway, but you'd get away with that.
I would not.
Andrea (32:49):
Yes, I would get away with that.
And I'll I'll get it.
Anyway, so he asked me, Haveyou had anything to drink
tonight?
And so I said, Yes.
I had a margarita at 5:30 orwhatever.
And he looks at me and I said,and I was like, I had a couple
of glasses of water after that.
A lie, and that was a lie.
I already no, that's true.
(33:10):
Always drink water with youralcohol people.
No, no, you should do that.
I just think um and he sort oflooked at me and just, you know,
he said, you know, where areyou going?
And I was like, I'm going home.
Here's where I live, whatever.
And he just handed me my stuffback and was like, all right, go
on.
And I knew, I knew in my bones,he let me go because of the way
(33:33):
that I look.
Yeah.
I knew it, right?
I didn't have to step out ofthe car.
There weren't any really otherquestions.
There wasn't like a, you know,let's get out of the car and do
the whole shebang.
I knew it, right?
And I've had other run-ins withpolice, not a lot, but and I
I'm gonna say I have kind of anantagonistic um, you know, vibe
(33:55):
because I just don't kinda kindatrust them, right?
And I have reasons for that,but I can get away with that.
I can be a little bit snottyand a little bit snarky with
police because of the way Ilook.
I cannot do that if I haveCarmen in the car, if I have my
husband in the car.
I cannot do that.
Carmen Lezeth (34:17):
And I know I can give a counter because I've I've
talked about this before.
Here's the difference.
Also a few years ago, I went toWhole Foods in my car and got
there too early, right?
It opened at like eight orsomething, and I was there at
like 7:30 or something.
So I said, instead of drivingback home and going into my
garage and stuff, I'm just gonnago up and park at the school.
(34:37):
And this was like a, I don'tknow, it wasn't it, there was no
one at school.
Do you know what I mean?
It was like a Saturday orwhatever it was, a holiday or
something.
And I parked at the school,just on the street where the
field is, and then there arehouses on this side.
I had a cop car pull up behindme.
I think I've told you thestory.
They pulled up behind me, theygot out of the car and came and
(34:59):
talked to me.
And as they're talking to me,and I'm like, hands on the, you
know what I mean?
I'm all freaking out.
They had called for backup, andanother cop car came.
I was just waiting for WholeFoods to open.
I was looking, I wasn'tdriving, I hadn't drank, it was
early in the morning.
I was, and if I could tell youthat's the only time that that's
(35:21):
happened, that I have beenpulled over or for doing
absolutely nothing.
You know what I mean?
Like, and look, and I'm I'mgonna say this.
I'm also very lucky because Ihave light skin privilege,
right?
Which I know confuses people.
And the way that I look, likeif I was dark, dark skin and had
different features, I thinkthat would also play in this in
(35:43):
a very different way.
You know what I mean?
But I'm luckier than mostpeople of color who have to do,
especially black men, black menand black, dark-skinned women
have the worst when it comes tocops.
Speaker 03 (35:55):
Yeah.
Carmen Lezeth (35:56):
And I really don't want to fucking hear about
all cops, that it's not allcops, blah, blah.
We're giving you an example tounderstand what race is.
Because anybody who knows usknows we would never
intentionally do somethingillegal.
I certainly would not.
Like, if anyone in this roomwould do something illegal, it
would be it would never be me.
Andrea (36:18):
I'm like, am I illegal?
I mean, you know, am I speedinghere and there?
Carmen Lezeth (36:26):
Yes, yes, never speeding, never speeding.
Like, I mean, but I'm justsaying, like, that's kind of
it's the funny thing, right?
Like, I'm the rule follower,I'm like the patriotic one, I'm
the one that like every but butpeople will assume certain
things based on what we looklike.
Yeah, yeah, you know, oh myGod, I didn't know we were gonna
go down this rope.
But but that's kind of whatwe're talking about when it
(36:48):
comes to race, so peopleunderstand.
And I think I'm I'm not tryingto close out on this, but I do
want to say if you are notracist, if you are a white
person and you know in yourheart you're not racist, then
don't take it on.
Like, don't take on the label,but don't deny it exists, like
because you know it does.
(37:10):
Like, I know you know it does.
How could you not right?
How could you not know that itexists?
Andrea (37:18):
Yeah, if you if you're gonna try to say that you don't,
you know, I don't see color,right?
That you don't think it exists,then I'm just gonna put it out
there, you're probably racist,right?
Like I think people payattention.
Carmen Lezeth (37:36):
Okay, okay, but I'm gonna put a little twist on
it.
I think some people want tobelieve in the utopia world
where everybody's treatedequally, and they want to
believe that.
And I and I I totally get that.
I want to believe it too.
You have no idea.
Andrea (37:52):
You know, the good vibes only people, right?
It's like, I don't see it, it'snot here.
We're all just like gellingtogether.
Like, okay, that's great.
And maybe like in your circle,it doesn't exist, but you gotta
step outside and see what thereality is beyond maybe your
particular bubble.
Carmen Lezeth (38:12):
And also when you say racism doesn't exist,
you're denying all theexperience of pain that people
are having, right?
I think that's what happens toowith the whole cop thing with
police officers, you know.
Of course, I know some reallygood police officers.
I do, you know, like I do, butit doesn't matter if a whole
(38:33):
bunch of them are doing badthings and those cops are not
doing anything about it, right?
Like it doesn't, you becomepart of the collective if you're
if you're still okay withsomebody treating somebody so
badly that it causes theirdeath.
Andrea (38:50):
You know, like well, and I I mean, you know, we could
have multiple shows about what'shappening in LAPD and LA
sheriffs, but uh I know Irecognize that it's very, very
difficult once you are in there.
In fact, it's dangerous as acop, as a cop, to speak.
(39:10):
I get that.
Um, and you know, there arepeople who maybe go in with some
intentions of like, I'm gonnabe solid, I'm gonna, you know,
keep my do the right thing, Iwant to help people.
Carmen Lezeth (39:20):
Most cops do the same thing as uh the fire
department does.
When people go into theseprofessions, they want to help
people, they want to do theright thing.
But I'm gonna disagree with youa little bit because I actually
think the problem with thepolice department, we'll have to
have this conversation, maybewe'll do it next week or
something, is when you look atwhat it takes to become a
fireman and what it takes tobecome a police officer.
(39:40):
100%.
Yeah.
Way different.
Yes.
And I'm sorry, this person hasa gun.
Like this person has lethalweapons.
Andrea (39:49):
I I am no defender of the police departments.
Don't you don't get me wrong.
I'm just recognizing that itcan be dangerous to speak up
when you are inside.
And you know, however, this isa huge, huge, huge problem
within police departments acrossthe country, right?
(40:10):
That they are allowed toessentially, you know, wreak
havoc all over their communitieswith total immunity.
Carmen Lezeth (40:18):
Yeah, yeah.
All right, so we're probablygonna talk about cops and ice
and stuff next week.
Maybe that's what we'll do.
I don't know.
But I think we'll end it here.
We're not gonna get canceled,we're just not gonna have anyone
watching.
But you know what?
It's okay, because we're doingwhat we need to do to try to
help other people see it from adifferent perspective.
Andrea (40:38):
That's all that, yeah.
This is what you asked me, whatwe can do, we can have honest
conversations.
This is the honest conversationfrom our perspective.
Carmen Lezeth (40:45):
Yeah, and it's a hard one, there's no doubt about
it.
We always have the hardconversations, and um, yeah.
So listen, everyone, thank youso much for supporting us and
for watching the show and forbeing so awesome.
We really have gotten a lot ofviews.
I think it's because they hateus.
I don't know.
I don't know what it is.
Uh but thank you so much, andum, we'll see you again next
time.
Remember, at the end of theday, it really is all about the
(41:07):
joy.
Bye.
Andrea (41:09):
Bye.
Carmen Lezeth (41:11):
Thanks for stopping by, all about the joy.
Be better and stay beautiful,folks.
Have a sweet day.
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